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Title: ROTS Worst
Post by: rishakra on November 28, 2005, 01:19 PM
So which are the best ROTS figures, accessories, action features, and which are the worst?

Here are my votes (not as easy as I thought it would be):
Figures
Best:
- Clone Commander (#33, and Bly)
- SA Clonetrooper (#41)
- R4-P17 (nice paint job and great sculpt)
- Count Dooku (Boring but VERY well done)

Worst:
- Mass Ameda (Stupid tongue)
- General Grievous (Exploding Body!) -- Can't stay together

Accessories:
Best:
- Hard for me to say.  Discuss...

Worst:
- The BIG gun (Gree and AT-RT Driver)
- Clone Pilot cannon/radar thing
- Bases (too big...should be smaller)

Action Feature:
- Don't like them so they all get the thumbs down with the exception of the #6 Clone.  The quickdraw works fairly well and we got the SA clone to compensate!
Title: Re: ROTS Best/Worst
Post by: Ook on November 28, 2005, 01:34 PM
Worst:
- Mass Ameda (Stupid tongue)

What?! He's one the best, and the tongue (:P) works beautifully. You can hardly see the holes when it's out, unlike Dannik Jerriko.

BEST FIGS:

SP Wookiee
SP R4-G9
#41
Bly
AT-TE Gunner & Tac Ops (Everything but the arms...)
Wookiee gunner
Obi-Wan #55
Gree
Tills
Aak
Medon
Amedda
Mustafar Anakin
Mustafarian
Palapatine #35 (Minus the action feature)
Mundi

Definitely Evolutions Anakin and Clones, if we're counting them amongst the ROTS figs. Also, op tbale Vader. Not executed as nicely as it should've been, but an undeniably cool fig.

Forgot a few from my list in another thread (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=9698.msg169325#msg169325).
Title: Re: ROTS Best/Worst
Post by: Reid on November 28, 2005, 02:11 PM
Best, Basic Figures:
-Blue Imperial Gaurd
-Obi Wan (Red Leader)
-Zett Jukassa
-Kit Fisto
-#41 Clone Trooper
-Commander Bacara
-AT-TE Gunner
-#6 Clone Trooper

Worst, Basic Figures:
-Supreme C Palpatine
-Grievouse's Bodygaurd
-Super Battle Droid
Title: Re: ROTS Best/Worst
Post by: Ook on November 28, 2005, 02:42 PM
Among the WORST:

All Anakins and Obi-Wans except #55
Chewie :'(
Clone #6
Clone 3-packs
All vehicle/beast riders
"Lava" Vader
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: rishakra on November 29, 2005, 07:47 AM
OOPS!  Didn't notice the other thread on the "Best/Favorite".  Ok then how about just the Worst.   Thanks Ook.

I think finding the worst is not easy.  The best of the line has some really, really good ones but the worst is a huge area for me.  Although I like the ROTS line more than any other line and it really sets the bar for future assortments it did have a lot of stinkers. 

All time worst for me:
Grevious Bodyguard.  Man that thing stinks on ice!  It could have been cool and I like them in the movie but the figure is just goofy.  Even though the Nemoidian Warrior/Commander warms the pegs hardcore I think it's a better figure overall than the Bodyguard.

Honorable mention worst figs:
What Ook said, Yoda (Spinning Attack!) which is the Micheal Jackson of Yodas...now we have Pancho Villa Yoda (from the Clone Wars line) and Micheal Jackson Yoda
& I still hate Mas Ameeda  :P

Worst Deluxe/Multipack figure: Deluxe Emperor Palpatine.
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: Darth_Anton on November 29, 2005, 10:03 AM
I think I'd have to go with the Deluxe Palapatine as well. I never even bought one to open.
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on November 29, 2005, 09:44 PM
I have to vote for Mas Amedda and Grevious Exploding . . . .

I have not purchased either, though I think my son did pick up the exploding Grevious.

Debating on the Mas Amedda. Part of me wants to hide one and wait for Target to clearance their ROTS figures . . . .

Anyone give me a reason for purchasing the Mas Amedda? I am an opener and a non-completist.
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: Reid on November 29, 2005, 09:45 PM
Hey, lay off the exploding Grievous. Best Grievous in the ROTS line IMO.
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: MetalJedi on November 29, 2005, 09:56 PM
Worst:

Palpatine in the Red Outfit. He's like a slightly altered version of the POTF2 Royal Guard. Just a stand with a really bad action feature.

Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: Ook on November 29, 2005, 10:23 PM
Anyone give me a reason for purchasing the Mas Amedda? I am an opener and a non-completist.

-He's got good articulation; ball-jointed shoulders and elbows.

-The cloak and headdress come off. The headdress slips off right over his horns.

-The tongue is cool, and you hardly notice the holes when it's removed.

-The sculpt is beautiful.

-This is the definitive Amedda, much better than POTJ.

-Even his staff has cool detail. The little figure atop it seems to be the same as one of the sculptures in Palaptine's office...it looks like a mysterious, cloaked Sith lord!
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: Ben on November 29, 2005, 11:02 PM
Worst:
Deluxe Obi-Wan. This is one thing I won't buy for $2.

AT-TE Gunner. I hate the arms-falling-off thing, and wasn't exactly thrilled to hear the Tac Ops Trooper would be using this mold.

Distribution of Collection 2 figures- this is the one thing that makes me want to just give up right now. I'd like to own the Tarkin wave and four Tac Ops Troopers, but I doubt I will since I don't have the time to hunt and they'll be gone by the time I can go to fine retail establishments.

Lack of Padme figures- I'm sure it isn't easy to sell an action figure of a pregnant woman, but they aren't even trying.

Best:
Pilot Obi-Wan. Why can't every figure be up to this standard?

Evolutions Anakin. Makes up for the other ****** Anakins they've issued for ROTS.

Clone Commander. He doesn't move all that well, but when I bought that first one in April, I couldn't wait to see the movie since this guy kicked so much ass.

Shocktrooper. Beautiful paint job on this guy. I liked the #6 Clone, so it didn't bother me he uses that same body. I just wish I was able to own more than one.

Bail Organa. Decent articulation, IMO appropriately sized, and no issues finding him.

Count Dooku. About time he got a figure that didn't suck.

red Royal Guard. It's a crime against fandom this figure wasn't better distributed, at least here. We got more blue Guards, but I never liked those.

Deluxe Palpatine. I just scored this thing, and I kind of like the light-up feature and turning head. It'd be great if you could keep it on the Sidious head, though.

#41 Clone. Good on Hasbro to make this thing more available. They could probably sell this figure until the end of the line if they got rid of the antenna and just packed the short and long rifles with it.
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: Gatillo on November 30, 2005, 09:08 AM
Anyone give me a reason for purchasing the Mas Amedda? I am an opener and a non-completist.

-He's got good articulation; ball-jointed shoulders and elbows.

-The cloak and headdress come off. The headdress slips off right over his horns.

-The tongue is cool, and you hardly notice the holes when it's removed.

-The sculpt is beautiful.

-This is the definitive Amedda, much better than POTJ.

-Even his staff has cool detail. The little figure atop it seems to be the same as one of the sculptures in Palaptine's office...it looks like a mysterious, cloaked Sith lord!

Those are good arguments.  I guess I better grab me a TRU mega 2-pack thingy.  THanks
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on November 30, 2005, 11:31 AM
Great idea. Forgot about the TRU two pack. Who does Mas come with? Guess I'll pick one up this weekend.
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: rishakra on November 30, 2005, 12:17 PM
Dang, I'm starting to want a Mas Ameeda now... ::)  Heck, I get fired up about figures too easy.  I saw a phone camera pic of Tarkin sitting on the pegs at a WM and I had a sudden "Need more figures" feeling...I'm so addicted...
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: Ook on November 30, 2005, 01:01 PM
I want a commission from Hasbro. ;D
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: Gatillo on November 30, 2005, 02:54 PM
I have seen Mas with two different companions.  I think they are Jedi but do not quote me.
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: SpudTrooper on December 1, 2005, 01:59 AM
 i'd say the worst figures would be polis massan, karate kick obi wan kenobi, and the michael jackson yoda

the Best figures to me are:

Obi-Pilot
Shocktrooper
SA Trooper
COmmander Bly / Gree
Clone Commander Red
all the EVO figures
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: Ook on December 1, 2005, 10:26 AM
i'd say the worst figures would be polis massan...

I love him. :'(
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: Rune Haako on December 1, 2005, 10:27 AM
Worst: Vader's Medical Droid

Best: I dunno, there's alot of good figures, but I really like the #6 Shock Trooper.
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: OCEAN on December 1, 2005, 05:34 PM
   Worst: Super Battle Droid. ( The legs are screwed up).

   Best:    Shocktrooper
               #6 Clone Trooper
               #41 Clone Trooper
               #68 Wookie Heavy Gunner
               Commanders Bly & Gree
               
               Clone Evo. Sets

    I haven't seen the corrected Bly & Gree, but I'm sure they would make the "Best" list also.
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: rishakra on December 1, 2005, 07:29 PM
i'd say the worst figures would be polis massan...

I love him. :'(

OK man, I'm going to get Mas Amedda this weekend...  Maybe I should email Ardie from reviewsstarwars.com and ask for an autographed version...
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: Jesse James on December 1, 2005, 10:30 PM
In my opinion ROTS has been one of the highest overall quality lines that Hasbro's put together since the modern line's inception.  What Saga was in 2002 could be considered practically a knock-off toy line in quality compared to the ROTS line in 2005.  They literally are like night and day, and I think the overall quality we have seen in 2005 if one of a list of major contributors to a successful toy line.

The fact is that Star Wars competes for the almighty dollar at retail like every other toy in the aisle with it, and Hasbro's perhaps learned that sub-par figures dominating a line will yield sub-par results in sales at retail.  Couple that with a well-received film critically and I think Star Wars had a good set-up this year for success, and it was a nice thing to see.

Hasbro's key changes were hiding action features, making sure figures were generally more neutral and poseable, and trying to key in on those character selections everyone could generally be pleased with.  I mean, they saw the fact that two Clones could and ultimately did sell very well, and both these Clones were aimed at unique demographics.  Pretty cool really from a collector's point of view and it was just the better for us that both were fairly good figures from our (general) POV as well.

Hasbro had 2 unique Anakin's, 2 unique Obi-Wan's, 2 unique Yoda's...  That's an interesting method of attacking retail really.

Anyway, that doesn't mean that, for ROTS's level of quality with some figures compared to others, that there weren't stinkers in the mix.  Popular sellers, maybe just because so little was available at times, but even the stinker figures have sold in many instances. 

Some of the worst of the ROTS line to me though are:

-1 & 2 Anakin & Obi-Wan...  Weak sculpts and in my opinion some lack of accessories (saber-hands are cool but they need to include a saber and open hand as well) hurt these two greatly.  Good for kids perhaps, but the kids in my life want my Evolutions Anakin and begged for Pilot Obi-Wan when they saw mine so you be the judge.  :)

-Grievous' Guard...  I actually don't MIND this figure too terribly, it suits a purpose, but at the same time I look at it and it would've been a great figure to super articulate.  I'm not sure how "off" the head is in its size but it does look odd.  A cloth cape and heavy on articulation would have easily swayed any negative thoughts I had but sadly we got none of that.

-Battledroids (SBD or BD)...  Weak plastic.  It's excuseless in the modern line, and Hasbro has got to remedy the Separatist situation.  We need droids, and we need them now, and we need them able to stand on their own at all times.  Hasbro has to wisen up on this.

-Mace Windu...  What the hell is up with his head and arms?  Not Hasbro's best sculpt, and not to mention how loose and unattractive his arms are.  Mace is a figure that should've had a "Pilot Obi-Wan" kind of figure later in the line.  THAT would've made one hell of a great figure.

-Obi-Wan Jedi Kick...  I got this figure for my gf's oldest son's birthday, and he despised it.  I took it from him and promised him the Pilot Obi-Wan that had just come out, and fortunately found them in time for both the boys' birthdays.  The figure's sculpt is attrocious, and his action feature (though hidden) is obtrusive and barely works if it works at all.  Terrible quality, and much more of a Saga figure than a ROTS figure.

-Wookiee Warrior...  While it's kind of like the Grievous Guard in that I don't totally despise it, the posed legs, and lacking articulation are major drawbacks on this figure, and they make it pale in comparison to its preview counterpart.  I think had Hasbro just articulated the knees and not pre-posed the feet, I'd have been pretty much 100% happy with him as-is.  He's really kinda neat, just flawed enough to make you annoyed with him.   :-\

-Cmdr. Bacara...  What the hell is Hasbro thinking!?  You have a perfectly good Commander sculpt.  You have a #6 Clone sculpt that's great.  You've proven you can do this figure justice with articulation and a feature, so why don't you just do this Hasbro?  Sadly Bacara fell well short of anyone's expectatons and he was the Clone's redheaded stepchild.  Bacara also proved what a lower quality figure does...  It sits at retail, while his not-even-in-the-film-counterpart Red Commander has sold out consistantly all year.  I see a problem here, and Hasbro should too.  Hopefully Bacara's crapitude isn't repeated with future Clones.

-Destroyer Droid...  Come on...  The E1 figure's superior to this, and they put this figure out early enough that they could have re-sculpted the head for the E1 figure and really made fans happy.  Instead we got the Saga pegwarmer re-issued to us.  ::)

-Commander Gree...  A figure Hasbro should have just left till another day when they could have given him his due.  His sculpt's horrible for the character (great for a regular Clone though), and his paintjob is equally inaccurate for Cmdr. Gree.  Hasbro should have put out a SA Utapau Grunt, THAT would have made people really happy...  Or even a SA Shocktrooper would have been more well received than Gree.  I mean, he's one of the only easily obtainable "Final 12".  Doesn't that say something about the quality?

-Vader's Med Droid...  While not a pegwarmer in my area, he still sucked in that he had the same cheap plastic the BD's had.  If the falling over was a feature intended by Hasbro, I'd maybe be more lenient, but man this figure bites.  It topples like Vader's throwing a tantrum in your collection room.

-Capt. Antilles...  Taking the Bail figure's basically identical outfit (more or less) and taking away most of the articulation is a recipe for a piss poor effort on Hasbro's part.  You gotta make Antilles equally cool to Bail Organa's figure, no excuse.  Sculpt's great, articulation horrible, and in my world articulation always is slightly more important than overall sculpt...  Still, if he was completely inaccurate he'd still suck even if he was SA.

-Utapau Warrior...  Cool, but I'm finding mine fall over.  That alone is really disappointing.  Excuseless too so I'm gonna give some negative opinion here on him irregardless of how cool he is in sculpt and such.

-Zet Jukassa...  Another weaker effort, and in this same COl. 2 line.  Zet's articulation is the weakest of any of the secondary Jedi figures in ROTS.  For a kid who kicked more ass on screen than any minor Jedi, he should have had a really nicely articulated figure.

-Yoda Spinning Attack...  A modern line turd if I ever saw one, this figure is just attrocious looking head to toe.  If I had to, I'd probably label this the worst of the ROTS line just off the top of my head, and compared to these others.  Yes, Yoda spinning attack reigns supreme for suckitude.

I'm sure I could pick apart a lot of other figures but I wanted to get a quick listing of my least favorites together...  Others aren't so much bad as they have annoying flaws.  Tarfful for instance lacks knee articulation and a good paintjob.  The Neimoidian Warrior's lack of knee articulation but has ball/socket joints...  Those are so-so figures that are neat to have but could have really been a lot higher quality.

And the Deluxe line...  Ugh.  Pretty much the entire first wave except the Anakin to Darth Vader figure sucked, and that Anakin wasn't high on my list.  I think Kicking Obi-Wan and the Emperor were the worst, but as per usual the Deluxe line underwhelmed a bit.  I thought Stass Allie was ok, I thought the Spider Droid was a marked improvement, and I thought that the Crab Droid was cool but could've used some better sculpting to make it more realistic...  Not glowing reviews but passable.  I'd even say the Clone Jettrooper is sorta cool, and the Yoda w/can-cel was neat really...  Vader w/Med Table was probably the best, but really the Deluxe line never makes your eyes pop out of your skull unless it's in a non-movie year...

I mean, compare ROTS's Deluxes to stuff like the Hoth Wampa.  I'd take the Wampa.

Anyway, ROTS was a pretty cool line to me, and I was pretty well happy with 90% of the Collection 2 figures overall.  Even the pegwarmers like Bail, Palpy, and Mothma are still GOOD figures.  They're just dull as watching paint dry, but they get good marks from me.  The Jedi rocked, it was like one big apology from Hasbro and I liked that.  Very cool, and ROTS dished out some greats...  :)  Even the list of figures I made that were bad, most of them would probably have been god-sends in the Saga '02 line had they been there.  I'd have killed for any neutral posed Jedi even if they had an action feature and a bad sculpt.
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: Darby on December 2, 2005, 04:32 AM
I totally agree, Jesse.  This was by far the best movie line Hasbro has done, and I'm glad, because it went out with a bang.  I think they really catered to all their different demographics, like you said, even within the basic line, where you have Obi Wan's for kids and collectors, clones for the same, and so on.  The only real disappointment for me this year has been the distribution of C2; it's been non-existent since before the Tarkin wave.
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: xenabard on December 10, 2005, 12:19 AM
Overall I was very happy with the RoTS line.  There were some duds, but compared to SAGA it was very good.

The Deluxe figures save Anakin to Vader and Rebuild Darth Vader (I have both of those) were all very bad.  I didn't see any aside from the two I mentioned that I would have bought.  Rebuild Darth Vader is a very cool figure and set. 

Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: Darby on December 10, 2005, 12:36 AM
The Rebuild Vader was the toy I'd been waiting 20 years for, and it's by far the best Deluxe figure Hasbro has done in the modern line.  Well... this year, for sure. 
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: CHEWIE on December 10, 2005, 01:01 AM
I bought every deluxe this year except for the Obi Wan/Super Battle Droid set.. now that was bad.

 :P
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: Darby on December 10, 2005, 04:56 AM
Yeah, I forgot about him.  Don't know how, considering he's still everywhere... I'll probably pass on him, even when he's $2.
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: Jesse James on December 10, 2005, 04:59 AM
GF's kids got that figure, and I really didn't realize how bad it was till I saw it opened.  They hated it too, and the thing's post bent so it was pretty well broke right away.  A terrible figure really.  I don't think the Deluxe line was a big flop though for ROTS, I really do think there's more than just the two Vaders that were good.

Like Yoda with Cancel is good for what it is...  Not in the film and all, it's still a unique figure, and pretty big for $10.  The Stass w/BARC was great too I thought.  I wish Hasbro would resculpt the Speederbike and put it out with a new Super Articulated Biker Scout (and clear stand for the bike so it "hovers").

I also thought the Spider Droid was a marked improvement, and while the Crab Droid wasn't the best for detail, it's a BIG ASS figure, no doubt.  Really nice in that regard.  Too big for the one most clearly seen in the film (that the Clone stands on) but I guess either bigger ones are BARELY visible in ROTS or the EU's made up that there are various sizes but the droids are all the same "style" and look, just bigger with bigger bite.

The Vulture Droids, Clones, Obi/Droid, and the Palpatine were all the sets I wasn't wild about though.  I think Vulture Droids could've used a resculpt personally, and the others I just didn't like or hadn't liked the first time I saw them. 
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: Clone On Fire on December 19, 2005, 02:35 PM
That lame attempt at Emperor Palpatine is totally pathetic.  The Mace Windu figure was very bad as well.
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: Dhivael on December 28, 2005, 11:59 PM
I think Jesse's analysis hits the nail on the head. so many choices for the Worst Figure of the Year award.
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: Alpha_17 on January 8, 2006, 05:01 AM
The best:

Commander Bly
Super articulated clone trooper
Royal guard
Clone commander
Count Dooku
Tarkin

The worst:

Padme
Tarrful
Commander Baccara
Mace Windu


There are many more . I just can't think of any at the moment...I'll update my list when I think of more.
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: mr director on January 11, 2006, 03:53 PM
Best:

Gree
Bly
Shock Trooper
Chewbacca
Tarfful
Kit Fisto
Any exclusive except the lavas
Vader's Operating Table
Evolutions

Worst:
Mas Amedda
Vader's Medical Droid
Deluxe figure w/exception of Vader's Operating Table
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: Jesse James on January 12, 2006, 01:12 AM
I'm really surprised at some of the bests you listed, director.

Like Gree I thought was attrocious because of his myriad of inacuracies in paint and sculpt, and I thought Chewbacca was so-so at best...  I think the VOTC could've been repacked with a new head and would have gone over better overall.  Not to say I can find one, but for a while he pegwarmed till the movie really took off.  Same sorta applied to Tarrful I felt, in that there was a lack of effort on hasbro's part with him.

The exclusives I wasn't real into either, I was let down by price mostly but also some were just seemingly dull.  The TRU Emperor for instance, and Yoda was meh.  I think a better sculpt could have been used to make a holographic Yoda, like the Younglings Yoda figure maybe, since he was sitting and all.

And for your worst you listed Mas Ameda...  Dull as he may be I thought he was one of the best of the year really, at least for non-Jedi...  I thought Hasbro went even a little nuts articulating him, which is cool but weird for a boring figure.  I was very happy with that one.  The tongue is cool too, even if it's not from the film's final cut.
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: Darby on January 12, 2006, 02:06 AM
Actually Jesse, the Holo Yoda was based on the Younglings 2 pack sculpt.
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: Darth Slothus on January 12, 2006, 05:01 AM
Did anyone else feel that those stupid battle arena sets were the ROTS' worst? Talk about clearance for ever -man, they suck! One of the few things from day one that I didn't buy for ROTS :(. Annakin's fist looks like he's saying" Yo, Adrian.." or something ::)

(Sorry, I didn't read through the whole thread to see if anyone else mentioned it already..figuring someone had to have because, man I hated seeing those take up shelf space)
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: Jesse James on January 13, 2006, 12:30 AM
Well I'll be damned.  Thanks for clearing that up for me Spuffy, I looked at it passingly when I got it from a friend and just hung it up.  I thought it was the spinning Yoda figure...  They look surprisingly similar.

Hmmm, now I want to open it...  but that would F up my ROTS exclusives wall.  Damn now I want another one.
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: Darth Broem on January 17, 2006, 05:46 PM
My vote for the very worst was the deluxe Kenobi vs the Battle Droid.  Egads the horror! 

I have to many best to liste really. 
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: Clone Commander on February 4, 2006, 12:51 PM
Here are my best, middle, and worst.

Best:
SA Trooper.
Pilot Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Evolutions.

Middle:
Clone Commander/Bly: They're hands are a little loose and screwed up.
AT-TE Gunner: funny arms, but hey hasbro, now we need an AT-TE!

Worst:
Bacara...lets face it he bites.
#2 Anakin.
I suppose there is more, but I dont care.

Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: exjedi on February 5, 2006, 04:36 PM
That red Palpatine was definitely the big let down for me, it must just be too much to ask for Hasbro to make a decent Palpatine or Emperor figure. 

Those spin attack figures suck as a collector, but the kids like making the figures fling around the room, so in essence they did what they were designed to do.
Title: Re: ROTS Worst
Post by: Jesse James on February 7, 2006, 12:47 AM
The red palpy needs a big do-over...  good articulation would be nice, and a couple headsculpts no doubt.