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Title: Fantasy NBA?
Post by: JohnH on August 18, 2005, 10:46 AM
Hey everyone.  Sorry if this has already been covered, but I didn’t see it anywhere.

For the last two years I’ve set up a fantasy NBA league through Yahoo for Rebelscum members.  There hasn’t been a big interest in it – we only had 7 people last year – but thought I’d try over here since there seem to be a lot of fantasy players.  I could probably get a few people from last year and thought I’d check to see if anyone here was interested.

I don’t know how you guys run your leagues here at JD, but we usually do a $15-20 fee to get in, then the winner (or 1st and 2nd place) get a prize (cash or SW stuff).  The fee/prize thing isn’t necessary, but it makes it nice to have something to play for.  :) 

Anyway, speak up if you’re interested.  I’d love to do another league, but with only 7 teams it was kind of blah.  :)

John
Title: Re: Fantasy NBA?
Post by: Scott on August 18, 2005, 10:48 AM
John

We usually do run our own league here.  I believe we had 8 teams last year but it could have been more.  Maybe if we combine we could get a few more people involved
Title: Re: Fantasy NBA?
Post by: Morgbug on August 18, 2005, 11:22 AM
Oh yeah, we had a league here last year.  Hard to believe, but a Canadian won :P
Title: Re: Fantasy NBA?
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 18, 2005, 11:33 AM
We normally run a free league here, last year we had ten teams in basketball, 14 in football, and 8 in baseball.

We almost killed each other in the free ones, I can't imagine what's going to happen if you dangle $100 out there.

Anyhow, I plan on playing at JD because that's where I get to take Scott on.
Title: Re: Fantasy NBA?
Post by: JohnH on August 18, 2005, 11:44 AM
Well, count me in with the JD league this year.  :)  I'll bother some friends that played in mine last year and get them to join here.  We should have healthy competition this year.

John
Title: Re: Fantasy NBA?
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 3, 2005, 09:31 PM
Well it looks like the season starts in a little over a month.  Let's start getting a head count here to see who's interested.

And what kind of league do you want?  Head to head?  Or rotisserie like last year?  I think head to head might be fun, but probably requires immaculate attention to daily happenings.

Also, who wants to be commish?
Title: Re: Fantasy NBA?
Post by: Morgbug on September 3, 2005, 09:42 PM
I'm in but don't want to be commish.  I think you and I are excused, since we've already got leagues on our hands. 

I prefer rotisserie though.
Title: Re: Fantasy NBA?
Post by: JohnH on September 3, 2005, 11:35 PM
I'm in, and I'd prefer rotisserie as well.  I'll head the thing up if I have to, but let's make that a last resort.  :)

John
Title: Re: Fantasy NBA?
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 3, 2005, 11:48 PM
I'm in, and I'd prefer rotisserie as well.  I'll head the thing up if I have to, but let's make that a last resort.  :)

John

How many of your 'scum peeps are you bringing? 
Title: Re: Fantasy NBA?
Post by: JohnH on September 4, 2005, 09:57 AM
Let me send out a message today and get a head count.  I'm guessing I could get 3-5?

John
Title: Re: Fantasy NBA?
Post by: Scott on September 4, 2005, 03:33 PM
In
Title: Re: Fantasy NBA?
Post by: Brian on September 5, 2005, 01:01 PM
Count me in too.
Title: Re: Fantasy NBA?
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 5, 2005, 04:21 PM
Okay we currently have:

Juanelopezrosario
Mosnab
Dressel
Dressel Jr.
Scott
Morgbug
John H

I'm thinking we should cap it at 12 teams or so.
Title: Re: Fantasy NBA?
Post by: E.Z. on September 6, 2005, 03:09 PM
Hey guys. Long time no see. Glad to see that Jedi Defender is still kicking and going strong at that. :)

I got the invite from John and I'd certainly like to be in. Like John said, we only had 7 last year and I believe 8 the year before so it will be nice to have 12 this time around. I find having a prize structure helps keep teams motivated as well as offering that extra bit of excitement in the form of a reward,  but if everyone thinks it will be competitive and fun without it then that sounds good to me as well.

I actually started a Fantasy NHL league and will be posting the details in the coming days at Rebelscum in the vintage section. I'll make sure to give you guys the info as well. I know hockey is a tough sell in the US so I'd be elated to get 8 players. I'm going to go with a small fee/prize structure for that one but I'll be making it pretty cheap.

-Shawn

Title: Re: Fantasy NBA?
Post by: john todd on September 7, 2005, 07:47 PM
i'd like to play too.
Title: Re: Fantasy NBA?
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 8, 2005, 02:31 AM
Okay, Yahoo's fantasy NBA leagues begin in "late September" according to their site.  I think we should plan on  a October 1st-ish start to the draft.  The NBA season begins on November 1st.

Currently we have:

E.Z.
john todd
Juanelopezrosario
Mosnab
Dressel
Dressel Jr.
Scott
Morgbug
John H
Chris Elliott

Up to 2 more teams would be the limit.
Title: Re: Fantasy NBA?
Post by: JohnH on September 8, 2005, 09:15 AM
I know Chris Elliott from RS is in.  I invited two other people as well, and I'll follow up with them today.

John
Title: Re: Fantasy NBA?
Post by: JohnH on September 9, 2005, 05:07 PM
I forgot to ask, but where you guys do the fantasy leagues?  Yahoo?  Elsewhere?

John
Title: Re: Fantasy NBA?
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 9, 2005, 05:09 PM
Yahoo.com is where we input our teams and have our stats done, but we draft right here in this thread.  See our NFL or hockey threads for examples.  So we may post pick by pick in this thread for 2 weeks and complete our draft that way, then the commish will enter the teams into yahoo.com
Title: Re: Fantasy NBA?
Post by: JohnH on September 10, 2005, 09:48 PM
Yahoo.com is where we input our teams and have our stats done, but we draft right here in this thread.  See our NFL or hockey threads for examples.  So we may post pick by pick in this thread for 2 weeks and complete our draft that way, then the commish will enter the teams into yahoo.com

Gah...seriously?  Seems to me that would be a tedious and painstaking process, as well as error-prone.  Why not do a live draft through Yahoo?

John
Title: Re: Fantasy NBA?
Post by: Morgbug on September 10, 2005, 11:54 PM
Gah...seriously?  Seems to me that would be a tedious and painstaking process, as well as error-prone.  Why not do a live draft through Yahoo?

John

Error prone?  Not really, not if people are even moderately capable of paying attention.  You get an occasional error and the rest of the group mocks the other individual mercilessly.  At least that's the way it's supposed to work. 

As for tedious, yeah, it is.  But it's tough to get a set time for a live draft.  A lot of people aren't big fans of doing rankings online and setting it all up if they can't draft in person. 
Title: Re: Fantasy NBA?
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 11, 2005, 10:30 AM


Gah...seriously?  Seems to me that would be a tedious and painstaking process, as well as error-prone.  Why not do a live draft through Yahoo?

John

It's fun, give it a shot this time.  It works for us all the time.  When things get going, you wind up picking about 1 player a day on average.  Also, basketball goes the fastest because there are only 7 starting spots, and 5 bench = 12 rounds.  I also feel that's what makes JD Fantasy Sports, well, JD Fantasy Sports.  The way we draft kinda separates it from other leagues.

Check out an example of our recent football draft here (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=9012.780)
Title: Re: Fantasy NBA?
Post by: JohnH on September 11, 2005, 11:36 AM
No, it's cool...I wasn't complaining.  Just seemed weird to me at first, but you guys are a bunch of lunatics anyway.  (I mean that in the most endearing way, of course.   :P)

I'll definitely give it a shot.  Looking forward to it.

John
Title: Re: Fantasy NBA?
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 11, 2005, 12:18 PM
No, it's cool...I wasn't complaining.  Just seemed weird to me at first, but you guys are a bunch of lunatics anyway.  (I mean that in the most endearing way, of course.   :P)



lol, why do we keep getting that?


 :D
Title: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 15, 2005, 08:45 PM
Okay, time to sign up guys.

League ID: 8481
Password: wookiee

It is rotisserie format.  There are 9 categories:

FG%
FT%
PTS scored
3's scored
Blocks
Steals
Total Rebounds
Assists
Turnovers

There roster looks like this:

PG
SG
PF
SF
C
Utility -any position
Utility -any position

Bench
Bench
Bench
Bench
Bench

So far we have 10 people wanting to play (we had 10 last year), and 2 more spots are open.  We already have enough to play regardless if 2 other teams join or not:

E.Z.
john todd
juanelopezrosario
mosnab
Dressel
Famine
Scott
Morgbug
John H
Chris Elliott

Head on over and sign up! (http://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/nba/)
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Signup is open now at yahoo.com
Post by: Morgbug on September 15, 2005, 08:52 PM
Defending Champeen is signed up :P
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Signup is open now at yahoo.com
Post by: JohnH on September 15, 2005, 11:46 PM
Snagglicious! is in the house.  :)

John!
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Signup is open now at yahoo.com
Post by: Rob on September 15, 2005, 11:52 PM
I'll sign up - save my spot until sometime tomorrow...
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Signup is open now at yahoo.com
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 16, 2005, 12:04 AM
That Canadian has to pay for stealing my championship at the end of last season.

And pay he will.

One thing I can guarantee, Kobe Bryant, Shawn Marion, and Amare Stoudemire will not all wind up on the same team this year.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Signup is open now at yahoo.com
Post by: Rob on September 16, 2005, 10:30 AM
And one thing I can guarantee, is that I will somehow end up picking in the bottom half of the first round - 4 straight fantasy sports endeavors, 4 straight times picking half way down or lower.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Signup is open now at yahoo.com
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 16, 2005, 11:12 AM
And one thing I can guarantee, is that I will somehow end up picking in the bottom half of the first round - 4 straight fantasy sports endeavors, 4 straight times picking half way down or lower.

You have 1 championship though...and that's more than most.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Signup is open now at yahoo.com
Post by: john todd on September 18, 2005, 11:43 PM
i am signed up
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Signup is open now at yahoo.com
Post by: Rob on September 18, 2005, 11:49 PM
Same here.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Signup is open now at yahoo.com
Post by: juanelopezrosario on September 19, 2005, 06:40 PM
Thanks for inviting me...i already signed up...wow culpeper is killing me i wasted my first round pick..anyways email me to juanelopezrosario@hotmail,com because this is the one i check regularly thanks an hope everything is good matt
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Signup is open now at yahoo.com
Post by: JayDouble on September 22, 2005, 03:13 AM
I just signed up.   ;D
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Signup is open now at yahoo.com
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 22, 2005, 09:59 AM
Okay apparently JayDouble is the 12th team in.  Chris Elliott still has to input his team, and then registration is closed.

Any preferences as to when we start this draft?
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Signup is open now at yahoo.com
Post by: Morgbug on September 22, 2005, 12:14 PM


Any preferences as to when we start this draft?

Not terribly soon would be my preference.  I'm being hockeyed to death right now.  No sooner than October 01 is my preference.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Signup is open now at yahoo.com
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 22, 2005, 12:30 PM


Any preferences as to when we start this draft?

Not terribly soon would be my preference.  I'm being hockeyed to death right now.  No sooner than October 01 is my preference.

Yeah I'm thinking October 1st, but I'll post the draft order this weekend so everyone has a week to formulate a draft plot.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Signup is open now at yahoo.com
Post by: Morgbug on September 22, 2005, 01:21 PM


...but I'll post the draft order this weekend so everyone has a week to formulate a draft plot.

You got my paypal payola, right? :-X
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Signup is open now at yahoo.com
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 22, 2005, 04:46 PM


You got my paypal payola, right? :-X

Were you supposed to pay me for something?  Kev maybe?
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - 12 teams reached, Chris Elliot sign up at Yahoo
Post by: Morgbug on September 22, 2005, 04:51 PM
 ::)

Bribe, for the draft.  Sigh, subtle humour is so lost in the internet. 
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - 12 teams reached, Chris Elliot sign up at Yahoo
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 22, 2005, 06:38 PM
::)

Bribe, for the draft.  Sigh, subtle humour is so lost in the internet. 

Whoops!  I don't set the draft order anyhow, 2 other JDers do.  I just confirm the random list of twelve numbers, and random list of 12 teams they send me.

Why don't you PM me a random list of 12 teams and I'll get 12 numbers from someone else, and I'll post the draft order.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - 12 teams registered, draft order posting imminent.
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 22, 2005, 11:25 PM
The draft order for October 1st:


---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Round 1
1. Dressel's Rebels
2. The Famine
3. Dooku's Dunkers
4. S Words
5. Snagglicious!
6. Vacant1s
7. Minnesota Muskies
8. The Zods
9. EZ
10. Dunking Wookiees
11. THE PULPHORNS
12. Canuckleheads
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Round 2
13. Canuckleheads
14. THE PULPHORNS
15. Dunking Wookiees
16. EZ
17. The Zods
18. Minnesota Muskies
19. Vacant1s
20. Snagglicious!
21. S Words
22. Dooku's Dunkers
23. The Famine
24. Dressel's Rebels
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - 12 teams registered, draft order posting imminent.
Post by: Morgbug on September 22, 2005, 11:29 PM
Youse got a strange ass way of doing things, but I'll verify that I participated in the draft and obviously did myself some serious favours. ::)

Allow me to be the first to cry "fix" since y'all are still sore about losing to a Canadian. :P
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - 12 teams registered, draft order posting imminent.
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 22, 2005, 11:34 PM
Youse got a strange ass way of doing things, but I'll verify that I participated in the draft and obviously did myself some serious favours. ::)

Allow me to be the first to cry "fix" since y'all are still sore about losing to a Canadian. :P

You did it to yourself!  Kinda funny too, when Zod picked the numbers last time he had similar misfortune.  Actually, taking 2 of the top 13 players really isn't so bad.

Meanwhile, thanks to your order picking, I'm torn between KG and LBJ. 
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Scott on September 22, 2005, 11:34 PM
Wait...how was the draft order picked?
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 22, 2005, 11:38 PM
Wait...how was the draft order picked?

Kevin randomized a list of 12 numbers and then Bug submitted a list of 12 teams, and we matched them side by side:


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   Re: Arrange these 12 teams randomly
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Canuckleheads
EZ
Minnesota Muskies
Dunking Wookies
THE PULPHORNS - gotta be Juan, all caps and a dentistry connection
Dressel's Rebels
Dooku's Dunkers
The Famine
Snagglicious
vacant1s
S words
The Zods
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Scott on September 22, 2005, 11:41 PM
Wait...how was the draft order picked?

Kevin randomized a list of 12 numbers and then Bug submitted a list of 12 teams, and we matched them side by side:


Re: PM
« Sent to: Dressel Rebel on: Today at 10:13:34 PM »     

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   Re: Arrange these 12 teams randomly
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Canuckleheads
EZ
Minnesota Muskies
Dunking Wookies
THE PULPHORNS - gotta be Juan, all caps and a dentistry connection
Dressel's Rebels
Dooku's Dunkers
The Famine
Snagglicious
vacant1s
S words
The Zods
But you had control of both lists? Right?  That doesn't sound right to me...why not have JediMAC and Dale do that
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 22, 2005, 11:42 PM
Scott, please.  There are 2 copies of each list, and they are time stamped in everyone's PM box. It is 100% secure and legit.  That is the order.  I had control over nothing, all I did is match the lists up that 2 other people created.  It was a dice roll.  This is the way I've done every other league.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Morgbug on September 22, 2005, 11:45 PM
Well this is primarily a whatever issue to me, but I'd be inclined to agree that the draft order should be entirely out of the hands of anyone involved in the draft.  That's what I did with the hockey draft, just gave the list to Dale and let him pick the order randomly. 

I'm not suggesting I distrust you Matt, I just prefer to dissociate the participants from the setting of the order, for fairly obvious reasons.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Scott on September 22, 2005, 11:47 PM
Who's "we"...you?  You should have no control over the draft order since you are in the league at all...especially when there have been allegations of impropriatary with you and your little buddy before (see last year and your trades)
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 22, 2005, 11:49 PM
Scott - the list is time stamped, end of story.  Tamper proof.  It's in the PM archive and 100% legit, randomized, and tamper proof.

If you would look at the time on the PMs, before you start running your mouth with baseless, and quite frankly, insulting accusations, you'd see that Kevin submitted 12 random numbers AN HOUR before Bug submitted his list.  It's 100% tamper proof.  I'm really embarassed for you Scott.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Scott on September 22, 2005, 11:51 PM
And the numbers Kevin gave you couldn't have been changed after the fact since you are the commish and sure would like the first pick huh?

I call foul...anyone else?
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 22, 2005, 11:52 PM
And the numbers Kevin gave you couldn't have been changed after the fact since you are the commish and sure would like the first pick huh?

I call foul...anyone else?

Have a mod check my PM box.  It's right there, time stamped in the inbox.  100% tamper proof.  Scott, you're a total idiot.  You should be embarassed.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Scott on September 22, 2005, 11:54 PM
I'm not embarassed at all, and we can't access PM's sorry
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: JayDouble on September 22, 2005, 11:55 PM
You can just have Yahoo randomize the draft order if you want.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 22, 2005, 11:57 PM
Well, here it is again, and Bug has it too:

Re: PM
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There it is.  You want my password too?  You can check my inbox yourself.

You owe me a big apology scott.
 
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 22, 2005, 11:58 PM
Scott - PM me for my sn and password.  I want you to personally look through the last page of my TIME STAMPED inbox.  And then I want you to apologize right here in this thread because that was really rude, obnoxious, and uncalled for.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Scott on September 22, 2005, 11:58 PM
No apology, sorry

You as the commissioner should NOT control the draft order at all, every draft I have done here has been picked by two people not involved in the league
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 12:00 AM
No apology, sorry

You as the commissioner should NOT control the draft order at all, every draft I have done here has been picked by two people not involved in the league

I do not "control" the order at all.  I put Bug and Kev's 2 random lists side by side and matched them up for the order.  Like I said, your assertion is offensive, baseless, and ridiculous.  My password for my time stamped PM box is available for anyone who wants to double check the PMs I posted in this thread.

The problem is Scott is too stupid to know when he should apologize.  I'm 100% right and he's still not sorry.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 12:03 AM
No apology, sorry

You as the commissioner should NOT control the draft order at all, every draft I have done here has been picked by two people not involved in the league

Wow, you haven't said anything true yet.  In our first baseball league last year, you had me send you a list of random teams.

And every league I ran, 2 members submitted lists, 1 with numbers, 1 with teams.

My offer stands for you to check my time stamped inbox, which PROVES the list was 100% randomized.

The draft order therefore stands (even if you don't like the way your pick came out).


Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Scott on September 23, 2005, 12:20 AM
http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=5453.450

Remember this?

Think I'd be leary of having you two involved in setting the draft order?
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 12:24 AM
http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=5453.450

Remember this?

Think I'd be leary of having you two involved in setting the draft order?

Let me try to put this in terms you can understand, you big dope.  Famine submitted a list of 12 random numbers at 10 PM.  You can see it in my PM inbox.  An HOUR later, Bug submitted a random list of 12 teams.  You can see that one in my inbox.  I created neither, I served as the "2nd copy" to verify each one.  I put them side by side, and posted THEIR order.  You can see that in the PM.  It is 100% tamper proof.

Zod participated in this same process in our last league, and he can verify that.

The draft order stands.  There will not be a redraw because you don't like your position.

The PMs are time stamped, original and intact in the PM box, and 100% tamper proof.  There is no way to change the times on them.

The draft order stands.

And you're too dumb to see that you're wrong and should apologize.

I will not discuss this any further.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Scott on September 23, 2005, 12:29 AM
And Zod thinks you fixed that draft too...ask him
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 12:31 AM
And Zod thinks you fixed that draft too...ask him

It's not fixable, period.  Famine submitted his list FIRST.  And THEN Bug submitted his.  Famine can't change a time stamped list.  It is 100% impossible.

You don't have to play Scott.  There is no possible alternate explanation for coming up with this draft order with the time stamps on the ORIGINAL PMs, and you're still arguing this. 

How can you still be at this?  You're debunked, end of story.

Today at 05:18:56 PM Re: Trade Darth Delicious 
Today at 10:13:34 PM Re: PM Famine
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Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 12:46 AM
And Zod thinks you fixed that draft too...ask him

Maybe you can explain, if my process is "fixed," how you got first pick in the baseball draft this year?  Or how Famine wound up in the bottom of the draft order in football?  Your theory is pure stupidity.

Besides, it's time stamped and original in the PM box.  It cannot be altered.  I posted Bug and Kev's randomized orders in this thread and you are welcome to check the originals anytime you want.

The draft order stands.  As offensive as your proven wrong accusation was, I still want you to play.  But if you still have a problem with a time stamped alter-proof original private message log, then it's no sweat off my back.

And now I'm going to sleep.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Scott on September 23, 2005, 12:53 AM
Follow me...its pretty easy

#1 Kevin and Matt collude in previous fantasy sports causing people to call out impropriety
#1 Kevin and Matt Set the draft order
#2 Kevin and Matt Get the first two picks

I know of at least 4 people who refuse to play Fantasy sports here specifically because of you and your and Famine's actions and trades in previous leagues.  I've always given you the benifit of the doubt

I start to wonder myself....  Your PM's don't mean anything to me, I could care less

Why even open yourself up to the allegations...I also know the staff is sick and tired of the bickering cause by the leagues.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 01:01 AM
My point is simply this.  Take my password and look at my PMs.  If Kevin submits a list of 12 numbers 1 HOUR before Bug submitted his list of 12 teams, how could anything possibly be changed?  It is TIME STAMPED and ORIGINAL.  It cannot be altered.  For something to be changed by me or Kevin, his PM would have had to arrive AFTER Bug made his list known.  Not BEFORE.

Game, set, match.  You lose Scott.  Your theory is outright impossible.

I suppose it was fixed when you got first pick in the baseball draft.  And I suppose it was fixed when Famine got a bottom pick in the football draft.

The draft order stands.  The PMs prove everything.  If you don't want to play, don't play.

There is no way anything you are saying about this randomized draft order can be true, and the PMs show it.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 01:05 AM
The draft order for October 1st:


---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Round 1
1. Dressel's Rebels
2. The Famine
3. Dooku's Dunkers
4. S Words
5. Snagglicious!
6. Vacant1s
7. Minnesota Muskies
8. The Zods
9. EZ
10. Dunking Wookiees
11. THE PULPHORNS
12. Canuckleheads
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Round 2
13. Canuckleheads
14. THE PULPHORNS
15. Dunking Wookiees
16. EZ
17. The Zods
18. Minnesota Muskies
19. Vacant1s
20. Snagglicious!
21. S Words
22. Dooku's Dunkers
23. The Famine
24. Dressel's Rebels
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: JohnH on September 23, 2005, 01:06 AM
I find it a bit unnerving that a member of the league has the control over the draft order as well.  

Personally, I find it silly that we don't just use the live draft option in Yahoo.  It takes all of two hours, it's 100% fair, and I don't have to worry about missing a draft pick because my net connection is down, or because I don't check the boards for 2-3 days.  And to be honest, I don't want to scroll through pages of posts just to see who's drafted who.

I fail to see why we won't consider the Yahoo draft route.

John
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: JediMAC on September 23, 2005, 01:12 AM
I've asked this before, but why the hell don't you people let some unbiased third party (like me, or anyone else NOT playing) randomly select the draft order?

- M
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 01:13 AM
I find it a bit unnerving that a member of the league has the control over the draft order as well.  


John

There is no way to control it.  One member PMs the commish a random list of 12 numbers.  Another member PMs the commish a random list of the 12 teams.  The commish puts both side by side and posts the order that the 2 "cyber pick the numbers out of the hat" lists provided.  The reason why it'd done that way is so that there is time stamped and original lists to prove the results.  There is no way to alter it (unless Kevin and Morgbug colluded, and that is not the accusation here).

The point is that the draft was picked 100% fairly and in a tamper proof manner, and Scott is still shooting his mouth off about how it's fixed even though it's proven that it cannot be fixed.  

I cannot change Kevin's list, it is time stamped and original and in the PM.  It was submitted before Bug's.
I cannot change Bug's list, it is time stamped and original.

They are matched side by side and posted.

Tamper proof, and random.  And totally fair.

My problem here is with Scott.  There is no way to fix the draft with this method, and he has no evidence of any kind and here he is ruining our draft with the seeds of doubt, when there was no way to fix the draft to begin with.

Unbelievable.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 01:15 AM
I've asked this before, but why the hell don't you people let some unbiased third party (like me, or anyone else NOT playing) randomly select the draft order?

- M

It has always been done this way, including this year when Scott won the first baseball pick, and when Famine got a bottom football pick.  Always the same way.

I will consider your way MAC for next league, but I won't do it this time, because the draft order has been shown to be verified and tamper proof, and it will not be repicked just because Scott doesn't like his position, and wants it redone. 
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 01:20 AM
Re: PM
« Sent to: Dressel Rebel on: September 22, 2005, 10:13 PM »  From Famine

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
12
9
7
10
11
1
3
2
5
6
4
8


Kevin



Re: Arrange these 12 teams randomly
« Sent to: Dressel Rebel on: September 22, 2005, 11:16 PM »  From Morgbug

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Canuckleheads
EZ
Minnesota Muskies
Dunking Wookies
THE PULPHORNS - gotta be Juan, all caps and a dentistry connection
Dressel's Rebels
Dooku's Dunkers
The Famine
Snagglicious
vacant1s
S words
The Zods


As you can see here, this is Famine and Morgbug's original "hat picks" time stamped.  They can verify this.

The lists are put side by side and the draft order posted.

Now here is the thing.  These are the original PMs and both members can verify this.  I think Scott should apologize.  He accused me of cheating (and Kevin) and this proves there is no way.  That's a really ****** thing to do Scott.  So why won't you just retract your statements now that it's shown that you're wrong?  You're not being fair.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: JediMAC on September 23, 2005, 01:42 AM
Off topic.  Looks like there's a new Yoda in town...  8)

Right on, old man!  :P

Good luck in here.  I don't foresee this ****storm dying down though...

- M
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: JayDouble on September 23, 2005, 01:55 AM
Personally, I find it silly that we don't just use the live draft option in Yahoo.  It takes all of two hours, it's 100% fair, and I don't have to worry about missing a draft pick because my net connection is down, or because I don't check the boards for 2-3 days.  And to be honest, I don't want to scroll through pages of posts just to see who's drafted who.

That sounds like a good option to me.  I rather get the draft done in one shot then have it go on for a few days.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: JohnH on September 23, 2005, 09:43 AM
Can we put this to a vote?  Really, to be perfectly blunt, I find the idea of a forum-based draft absurd for many reasons.

John
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Jeff on September 23, 2005, 10:14 AM
OK, see here is the problem...

Yes, there are two "time-stamped" PMs in your box.  I got that part.  But, you seem to think there is NO way anyone can "control" the draft via this method, but you are WRONG.  You do still have some influence over the interpretation of the draft order.

There are at least two distinct ways of "matching up" those lists.  The first way to do it is the way that you chose - assigning the numbers in Kev's list with the teams in Brent's list:

12 Canuckleheads
  9 EZ
  7 Minnesota Muskies
10 Dunking Wookies
11 THE PULPHORNS
  1 Dressel's Rebels
  3 Dooku's Dunkers
  2 The Famine
  5 Snagglicious
  6 vacant1s
  4 S words
  8 The Zods

Obviously, this method favors you and Kev, which is why there is some suspicion, especially when you see the second way to do it...

The second way to interpret the two "time-stamped" PMs is as follows.  You assign numbers to Morgbug's team list, and then match those numbers to the list Kev gave you.  It comes out with a WHOLE different draft order.

Brent's list =

  1 Canuckleheads
  2 EZ
  3 Minnesota Muskies
  4 Dunking Wookies
  5 THE PULPHORNS
  6 Dressel's Rebels
  7 Dooku's Dunkers
  8 The Famine
  9 Snagglicious
10 vacant1s
11 S words
12 The Zods

Then, matching to Kev's list your draft order would be:

12 The Zods
  9 Snagglicious
  7 Dooku's Dunkers
10 vacant1s
11 S words
  1 Canuckleheads
  3 Minnesota Muskies
  2 EZ
  5 THE PULPHORNS
  6 Dressel's Rebels
  4 Dunking Wookies
  8 The Famine

See, using THIS numbering schema, the draft order then becomes much different.  Instead of you and Kevin being #1-2, you are now #10 and #12

Can you see now why even though Kevin and Brent sent two "time-stamped" PMs, there is still room for some people to doubt you?

Just trying to help you understand that your "fool proof" draft order isn't as lock solid as you'd like to think and that despite the fact that you have two "time-stamped" PMs, there is still room for suspicion (regardless of whether it is warrented or not).

Jeff
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Rob on September 23, 2005, 10:33 AM
What the hell does it take to get a top half pick in JD fantasy sports for crying out loud?  This will now officially be my 6th JD Fantasy Sports draft, and I don't think I've picked in the top half of the round yet.

This is statistically improbable.  >:(
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 10:45 AM
OK, see here is the problem...

Yes, there are two "time-stamped" PMs in your box.  I got that part.  But, you seem to think there is NO way anyone can "control" the draft via this method, but you are WRONG.  You do still have some influence over the interpretation of the draft order.

There are at least two distinct ways of "matching up" those lists.  The first way to do it is the way that you chose - assigning the numbers in Kev's list with the teams in Brent's list:

12 Canuckleheads
  9 EZ
  7 Minnesota Muskies
10 Dunking Wookies
11 THE PULPHORNS
  1 Dressel's Rebels
  3 Dooku's Dunkers
  2 The Famine
  5 Snagglicious
  6 vacant1s
  4 S words
  8 The Zods

Obviously, this method favors you and Kev, which is why there is some suspicion, especially when you see the second way to do it...

The second way to interpret the two "time-stamped" PMs is as follows.  You assign numbers to Morgbug's team list, and then match those numbers to the list Kev gave you.  It comes out with a WHOLE different draft order.

Brent's list =

  1 Canuckleheads
  2 EZ
  3 Minnesota Muskies
  4 Dunking Wookies
  5 THE PULPHORNS
  6 Dressel's Rebels
  7 Dooku's Dunkers
  8 The Famine
  9 Snagglicious
10 vacant1s
11 S words
12 The Zods

Then, matching to Kev's list your draft order would be:

12 The Zods
  9 Snagglicious
  7 Dooku's Dunkers
10 vacant1s
11 S words
  1 Canuckleheads
  3 Minnesota Muskies
  2 EZ
  5 THE PULPHORNS
  6 Dressel's Rebels
  4 Dunking Wookies
  8 The Famine

See, using THIS numbering schema, the draft order then becomes much different.  Instead of you and Kevin being #1-2, you are now #10 and #12

Can you see now why even though Kevin and Brent sent two "time-stamped" PMs, there is still room for some people to doubt you?

Just trying to help you understand that your "fool proof" draft order isn't as lock solid as you'd like to think and that despite the fact that you have two "time-stamped" PMs, there is still room for suspicion (regardless of whether it is warrented or not).

Jeff

In the previous 3 leagues, we did it fhe first way you showed there, not the second.  That's a fact.

So if the first item on Brent's list says "John" and the first item on Kev's list says "8", then John goes 8th. 

Then if the second item on Brent's list says "Liz" and the second item on Kev's list says "1", then Liz goes 1st. 

That's how it's always been done, that's how it was done this time.

The lists are time stamped, Kev's came in FIRST, and it cannot have been altered.

The draft order stands.  Period.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Jeff on September 23, 2005, 10:55 AM
In the previous 3 leagues, we did it fhe first way you showed there, not the second.  That's a fact.

It's a fact, but it's a fact that is wrong...

It doesn't look like last year's basketball draft was done that way.

Well I have the honor again to pick list of the draft order. All names were on paper & drawn. So here we go:

1:   The jaws.
2:   Mos Eisley Mynocks.
3:   Canuckleheads.
4:   Not a Contender.
5:   Thug Squad Ballers.
6:   Dressel's Rebels.
7:   Minnesota Muskies.
8:   The Famine.
9:   The Zods.
10: Dunkin' Wookiees.

There you have it, have fun!  :)

"Let's get ready to rummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmble!"


Nor does it look like this year's Hockey Draft was done that way...

Here ya go:

1:   Mikey.
2:   Brent.
3:   Kevin.
4:   Jesse J.
5:   Rob.
6:   Scott.
7:   Jesse V.   :P
8:   Jeff.
9:   Jason.
10: Jamie.

Have fun.  :)

Again, I'm not accusing you, just pointing out some errors in your "facts".

Jeff
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: sfg on September 23, 2005, 10:58 AM
My password for my time stamped PM box is available for anyone who wants to double check the PMs I posted in this thread.

I would like to check.  Please PM me Username and Password.

I'm going to settle this once and ******* for all.

 >:(
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 11:01 AM
In the previous 3 leagues, we did it fhe first way you showed there, not the second.  That's a fact.

It's a fact, but it's a fact that is wrong...

It doesn't look like last year's basketball draft was done that way.

Well I have the honor again to pick list of the draft order. All names were on paper & drawn. So here we go:

1:   The jaws.
2:   Mos Eisley Mynocks.
3:   Canuckleheads.
4:   Not a Contender.
5:   Thug Squad Ballers.
6:   Dressel's Rebels.
7:   Minnesota Muskies.
8:   The Famine.
9:   The Zods.
10: Dunkin' Wookiees.

There you have it, have fun!  :)

"Let's get ready to rummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmble!"


Nor does it look like this year's Hockey Draft was done that way...

Here ya go:

1:   Mikey.
2:   Brent.
3:   Kevin.
4:   Jesse J.
5:   Rob.
6:   Scott.
7:   Jesse V.   :P
8:   Jeff.
9:   Jason.
10: Jamie.

Have fun.  :)

Again, I'm not accusing you, just pointing out some errors in your "facts".

Jeff

I did not run that league.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Brian on September 23, 2005, 11:06 AM
Wow, haven't visited this thread for a couple days and its certainly gotten messy.  While I don't think (hope) that anyone would cheat or fix things in any way, it does seem to make more sense to me to have someone not involved in the league do the draft.  No ill feelings either way, but it just seems like there would be no cause for any disagreement or argument that way.

Quote
I've asked this before, but why the hell don't you people let some unbiased third party (like me, or anyone else NOT playing) randomly select the draft order?

- M

I'd say if the majority feels this way, just re-do the draft order at random through someone else, like Matt or Dale or whoever.  No one has picked yet, no harm, no foul.  Like I said, I'm not saying anyone is doing anything wrong...but this way, at least everyone should feel more comfortable with the process.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: JohnH on September 23, 2005, 11:36 AM
I don't recall seeing an answer to my question - why we can't use a draft format (Yahoo live draft) that would be fair, efficient, reliable, error-free, and corruption-free.  I think the only answer I've had to that is some BS about people not wanting to auto-rank their players.  I sure hope that's not the only reason, because it's pretty pathetic if that's the case.

I don't know how long past drafts have lasted, but with me in this one I need to make it clear that it could go on several days.  I try to not get online at work, because they really frown upon it (though it's not stopping me from making this post).  I rarely get online at home, other than to occasionally check e-mail.  It's perfectly reasonable for me to say there will be 2-3 day stretches that I'm not online and won't be able to make my pick.  And as another example, Chris was out of town all last week and didn't have access to a computer.  Are you saying you'd really want to wait a whole week for a single draft pick?

If this isn't going to work out for the league, we either need to do a live draft, or I need to leave the league.  I'm not going to sit around my computer waiting for my next draft pick, nor do I want to wade through endless posts and manually keep track of who has who and who is left for me to draft. 

John
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 01:10 PM
JohnH- We've always drafted that way, and it has always worked out.  If someone is going to be away for a week, then they prerank 10 players or so and send it to someone at the bottom of the draft order and they pick for them.  There is no "endless scrolling" because every few picks we put the current draft results all in once concise simple to follow post.

Mosnab-  There will not be a "repicking" of the draft order.  It was done the same way it has always been done in the leagues that I have ran.  Scott did not complain this past April when the same random draft method landed him the first pick in the draft.  Nor did Famine complain when this same random draft method landed him at the bottom of the draft order in football.  It's random, fair, and tamper proof.  The draft order stands.

Now let's have some fun with this thing.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Rob on September 23, 2005, 01:19 PM
Sorry - but I've still got to object.

Does yahoo have any type of random draft order generator?

Or, could someone who's NOT associated with the league in any fashion be the one to come up with the order?
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 01:47 PM
Sorry - but I've still got to object.

Does yahoo have any type of random draft order generator?

Or, could someone who's NOT associated with the league in any fashion be the one to come up with the order?

It does, and we can use it for the next league.  The draft order will not be repicked because Scott decided to raise hell over not liking the outcome.  It's the same method we used when Scotty got first pick in baseball, and the same method we just used when Famine got a bottom half pick in football.  It's tamper proof.  I will not change something after the fact because someone doesn't like the outcome.  If you want to make changes to rules, processes, or the way we draft, it'll be for next time.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: JohnH on September 23, 2005, 02:26 PM
Not to be a dick, but the season hasn't started and I already don't like the way it's being run.  I'm going to withdraw.  I think Chris is as well because he isn't registered here and doesn't feel the need to just to take place in the draft.

John
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: sfg on September 23, 2005, 02:30 PM
Not to be a dick, but the season hasn't started and I already don't like the way it's being run.  I'm going to withdraw.  I think Chris is as well because he isn't registered here and doesn't feel the need to just to take place in the draft.

John

I'll take JohnH's spot, if it's available.

:)
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: JesseVader08 on September 23, 2005, 02:34 PM
Dressel, you're the Commissioner, not the Supreme Dictator.  Don't you think it would be reasonable to take into account other people's concerns rather than just casting them aside?
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 02:35 PM


I'll take JohnH's spot, if it's available.

:)

Yeah, you can do that if you want, but he has to actually delete his team from Yahoo before you can register there.  I may be able to do it myself.  I'll see what I can do.

EDIT: His team is deleted.  You may take the 12th spot.  Use the info on the first post of this thread to sign up over at yahoo.  Make sure you click on "Join custom league."

You draft 5th overall in the 1st round.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 02:37 PM
Dressel, you're the Commissioner, not the Supreme Dictator.  Don't you think it would be reasonable to take into account other people's concerns rather than just casting them aside?

I understand all that Jesse.  But I can't just toss a fairly conducted draft order out the window because some people don't like the outcome.  Why didn't Scott complain about this method when he randomly received the first pick in baseball?  Was it rigged last month too when Famine got a lower pick in football?

That's why.  I made the PMs available for all to see, Kev's list was submitted an hour before Bug's, and therefore could not have been altered.  Had Bug submitted his first, then Kev picks 12 numbers, then yeah, I suppose it would have been possible for tampering to go on.  But it is not possible at all, as things turned out.

So no, I will not toss this draft order.  It's fair, random, and tamper proof.  I will not change the rules, processes, or draft order after the fact.  And that's the commissioner's job.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 02:51 PM
Not to be a dick, but the season hasn't started and I already don't like the way it's being run.  I'm going to withdraw.  I think Chris is as well because he isn't registered here and doesn't feel the need to just to take place in the draft.

John

Sorry you wanted to go.  If your friend Chris is also leaving, let me know please, there's 2 other people still wanting in on this league.  Thanks.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Famine on September 23, 2005, 02:54 PM
And the numbers Kevin gave you couldn't have been changed after the fact since you are the commish and sure would like the first pick huh?

I call foul...anyone else?

Scott, thats the exact same list I PM'd to him.

In football, when I sent the list, I wound up with first pick, but we had to re-do it because we added more teams.

Thats the exact same list I sent.

Kevin
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 03:02 PM
2 of the RSers are out, and 2 JDers are in, keeping us at 12 teams:


---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Round 1
1. Dressel's Rebels
2. The Famine
3. Ruiner (for Chris M, likely)
4. S Words
5. sfg (for JohnH, confirmed)
6. Vacant1s
7. Minnesota Muskies
8. The Zods
9. EZ
10. Dunking Wookiees
11. THE PULPHORNS
12. Canuckleheads
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Round 2
13. Canuckleheads
14. THE PULPHORNS
15. Dunking Wookiees
16. EZ
17. The Zods
18. Minnesota Muskies
19. Vacant1s
20. sfg
21. S Words
22. Ruiner
23. The Famine
24. Dressel's Rebels
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Rob on September 23, 2005, 03:47 PM
it's not about people objecting to their position in the draft - it's about the draft order selection being more subjective than random. 

I don't see what a randomized yahoo selection would hurt given the fact that we haven't started drafting yet, and almost everyone here wants something more random employeed.

It should go up to a vote. 

Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 03:49 PM
it's about the draft order selection being more subjective than random. 


You're going to have to explain to me how the 2 JDers online at the time, Kev and Bug, making a list of numbers, a list of teams, and both sending them to me for verification and posting is "subjective."

It's totally randomized, I had no control over it whatsoever.

There is not going to be a vote.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Rob on September 23, 2005, 03:52 PM
Did you read any of Jeff's posts?
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 03:55 PM
Did you read any of Jeff's posts?

Every one of them.  And every league that I have run, baseball, football, and this basketball league, has been done the way that I have explained:

Bug sends:

john
jane
moe

Kev sends:

3
2
1

Then the order is:

Moe
Jane
John


Baseball was done that way, and Scott got first pick.

Football was done that way, and Chris got first pick.

Now my Basketball league was done that way, and I happen to get first pick.

The draft order stands, and will not be repicked because some people don't like the outcome.

I realize some other commisioners like whoever ran the hockey league or basketball league last year had other ways of doing it, but mine is consistent, accurate, tamper proof, and totally randomized, and it will not be changed.

My leagues are always done the same, regardless of other commisioners of other leagues.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: JohnH on September 23, 2005, 04:06 PM
Man, you just don't get it.

If there's enough interest, I might just start my own league.  PM me if you're interested.

John
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 04:11 PM
Man, you just don't get it.



I'm all ears.  You should tell me.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: JohnH on September 23, 2005, 04:22 PM
Man, you just don't get it.



I'm all ears.  You should tell me.

I don't think it's worth the time.  You've already been told on countless occasions what the issues are here.  Re-read the thread.

John
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Deanpaul on September 23, 2005, 04:35 PM
I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 50...
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Rob on September 23, 2005, 05:27 PM
I'll guess 20.

Now, if DeanPaul feels like it, he could tell me that I'm right even though his number was 38.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: JohnH on September 23, 2005, 05:31 PM
I'll guess 20.

Now, if DeanPaul feels like it, he could tell me that I'm right even though his number was 38.

No way...that would be tampering, and there's no way Dean's game can be tampered with.  Shame on you for even considering it.   >:(

John
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Rob on September 23, 2005, 05:44 PM
I'm not pointing fingers here, but all it would take would be cooperation between any two of the three participants to completely rig the draft order.

Not that anyone would do that of course.

I still vote (even though no vote has been called for) that we allow Yahoo to randomly pick a draft order - since that is built into the system for a reason.

If we can't vote - I vote for a new commish who's willing to let majority rule.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 07:15 PM
I'm not pointing fingers here, but all it would take would be cooperation between any two of the three participants to completely rig the draft order.

Not that anyone would do that of course.

I still vote (even though no vote has been called for) that we allow Yahoo to randomly pick a draft order - since that is built into the system for a reason.

If we can't vote - I vote for a new commish who's willing to let majority rule.

Here's a question for you Zod, this same method was just used to pick the football order.  You participated, you know the results of the draft order pick were real.  This same technique was used here.  Bug and Kev both vouched that these are in fact the results.  So is the football league illegitimate then too?
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 07:18 PM


If we can't vote - I vote for a new commish who's willing to let majority rule.

The majority will not rule after the fact.  I guess I should strip A-Rod off of Scott's baseball team, after all, he got the first pick, it was rigged right?  Rules, draft orders, and the like will not change after the fact in any league that I create and am commish of.  I will not under any circumstance backpedal and change something after the fact.  Changes in scoring, roster size, method of drafting, method of determining draft order, and all else, will be decided beforehand, and will be stuck to.  No results will change on my watch.  I know you, Zod, have no problem with changing the rule of the game after it starts, but this will not happen in my league.  If that's what you want, I suggest that you play elsewhere.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Rob on September 23, 2005, 07:28 PM
Here's a question for you Zod, this same method was just used to pick the football order.  You participated, you know the results of the draft order pick were real.  This same technique was used here.  Bug and Kev both vouched that these are in fact the results.  So is the football league illegitimate then too?

I'll be perfectly honest - I didn't trust that one either.  PM's between you and Kevin and me in no way guarantee that you and Kevin still didn't just make the whole thing up.

I'm not accusing you guys of anything - but a few PM's back and forth just isn't foolproof the way that a random, third party, computer generated order would be.

That's all I'm saying - if I have to start my own league to ensure that everyone is listened to when they voice concern - so be it.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 07:32 PM


I'll be perfectly honest - I didn't trust that one either.  PM's between you and Kevin and me in no way guarantee that you and Kevin still didn't just make the whole thing up.

I'm not accusing you guys of anything - but a few PM's back and forth just isn't foolproof the way that a random, third party, computer generated order would be.

That's all I'm saying - if I have to start my own league to ensure that everyone is listened to when they voice concern - so be it.

Right Zod, that's why he got 8th pick overall.   ::)

What a fool you are.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: JesseVader08 on September 23, 2005, 07:33 PM
Dressel, no one has done any namecalling except for you, so I'd ask you to please stop.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 07:34 PM
Dressel, no one has done any namecalling except for you, so I'd ask you to please stop.

Actually Scott started this by calling me a cheater and a liar, so I'd ask you to please tell him to stop.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: juanelopezrosario on September 23, 2005, 07:35 PM
WOW!!!! THIS IS THE BIGGEST WAIST OF TIME I HAVE EVER SEEN. THERE IS NO WAY THIS IS FIXED. SINCE I HAVE PLAYED IN LEAGUES WITH YOU GUYS I HAVE THOUGHT THINGS ARE ALWAYS CLEAR AND FAIR. LAST YEAR I PICKED FIRST AND FINISHED 4TH 0R 5TH...DONT WAIST TIME COMPLAININGBECAUSE YOU DID NOT GET THE POSITION YOU WANTED..START DOING RESEARCH AND DO YOUR BEST WITH WHAT YOU GOT AND STOP FIGHTING LIKE KIDS THIS IS ONLY A GAME AND IS ONLY FOR ENTERTAINMENT...IF MATT HAS TO BE FORCED TO DO THIS DRAFT AGAIN I AM OUT OF THE LEAGUE BECAUSE THIS AGAIN IS FOR FUN....NOBODY IN THE WORLD CARES IF YOU WIN THIS LEAGUE EXCEPT FOR THE PEOPLE PLAYING...THIS MEANS NOTHING!!!!!! SO STOP ACTING LIKE THIS IS A FEDERAL CASE AND GIVE IT A BREAK.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 07:40 PM
I agree Juan, the kind of leaps a few people here have made with the accusations are really out of line.  I have showed how the same random technique was used to determine this draft order as every other league that I have run.  I offered up the PMs so they can match up the lists themselves.  Kev's was submitted an hour before Bug's.

Scotty sure as hell wasn't complaining when he landed top pick in baseball via my random technique.  It's only now that he doesn't like his position that he wants the draft order "redetermined." 

And I'm still waiting for Kneel Before Zod to get up on the soapbox and explain to me how Kevin and I rigged a football draft order (that Zod provided 1/2 the input for) and yet Kevin still wound up with 8th pick overall. 

Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: juanelopezrosario on September 23, 2005, 07:45 PM
I CAN NOT BELIEVE ALL THE BACK AND FORTH REMARKS THAT ARE MADE...THIS IS A WASTE OF TIME AND SINCERELY IS LIKE WATCHING A TEENAGE DRAMA IN THE WB...EVERYBODY SHOULD STEP BAXK AND RELAX..LET THINGS BE WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY PICKING 1ST IS NOT THAT GREAT YOU GETTO PICK LAST EVERY SO OFTEN AND FROM EXPERIENCE YOU MIGHT END UP WITH I GREAT STAR AND A LOT OF HOLE....DRAFT POSITION IS IMPORTANT BUT IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING IT MEANS NOTHING
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Rob on September 23, 2005, 08:09 PM
And I'm still waiting for Kneel Before Zod to get up on the soapbox and explain to me how Kevin and I rigged a football draft order (that Zod provided 1/2 the input for) and yet Kevin still wound up with 8th pick overall. 

I was pretty clear when I said that I wasn't accusing anyone of anything - what I did was point out a way that your perfect random system isn't so perfect - and that is the second time today that someone has pointed out a flaw in it.

So you'll just have to keep on waiting for that explanation.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: juanelopezrosario on September 23, 2005, 08:15 PM
 ;D EXCHANGE SOME STAR WARS FIGURES AND MAKE UP
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 08:19 PM
And I'm still waiting for Kneel Before Zod to get up on the soapbox and explain to me how Kevin and I rigged a football draft order (that Zod provided 1/2 the input for) and yet Kevin still wound up with 8th pick overall. 

I was pretty clear when I said that I wasn't accusing anyone of anything - what I did was point out a way that your perfect random system isn't so perfect - and that is the second time today that someone has pointed out a flaw in it.

So you'll just have to keep on waiting for that explanation.


There is no flaw in the system, there is a set way that this has been done in every league that I ran, with the same consistent results.  The PMs are orignal and untampered with, and they are utilized the same way every time 2 lists are matched together.  I don't know what that elaborate second scenario is that Jeff posted, but that was never used in a league that I have run.

Scott got a first pick in baseball, Chris got one in football, and now I got one in basketball.

Look at Famine's track record, he got a 3rd in baseball, an 8th in football, and now a 2nd in basketball.

I don't see the cause for alarm, this has always worked fine.

I cannot retract a draft order that has already been worked out, regardless of what number I drew.  How about the guy who has 4th pick now, and when Dale or Yahoo or whatever unnecessary plot you want to draw up for a "new" draft order comes to pass, gets 12th pick. That's fair?

I'm all for making changes in the way we do things or the way we score things or whatever in each sport, but not after the fact in the current year.  That's the big difference between me and you, I'm not changing things after the fact, but we can employ new things for next year.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 08:20 PM
;D EXCHANGE SOME STAR WARS FIGURES AND MAKE UP

Now there's something I know we can all agree upon.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: juanelopezrosario on September 23, 2005, 08:24 PM
FOR THE ONE THAT DID NOT READ PAGE 6 :
WOW!!!! THIS IS THE BIGGEST WAIST OF TIME I HAVE EVER SEEN. THERE IS NO WAY THIS IS FIXED. SINCE I HAVE PLAYED IN LEAGUES WITH YOU GUYS I HAVE THOUGHT THINGS ARE ALWAYS CLEAR AND FAIR. LAST YEAR I PICKED FIRST AND FINISHED 4TH 0R 5TH...DONT WAIST TIME COMPLAININGBECAUSE YOU DID NOT GET THE POSITION YOU WANTED..START DOING RESEARCH AND DO YOUR BEST WITH WHAT YOU GOT AND STOP FIGHTING LIKE KIDS THIS IS ONLY A GAME AND IS ONLY FOR ENTERTAINMENT...IF MATT HAS TO BE FORCED TO DO THIS DRAFT AGAIN I AM OUT OF THE LEAGUE BECAUSE THIS AGAIN IS FOR FUN....NOBODY IN THE WORLD CARES IF YOU WIN THIS LEAGUE EXCEPT FOR THE PEOPLE PLAYING...THIS MEANS NOTHING!!!!!! SO STOP ACTING LIKE THIS IS A FEDERAL CASE AND GIVE IT A BREAK.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: JesseVader08 on September 23, 2005, 08:28 PM
I don't mean to be a thorn, but if you wouldn't mind turning off your caps lock, it would be much appreciated.  Just a courtesy, that's all, caps lock suggests yelling.

And as know, we're all level headed here.   ;)
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 08:41 PM
The real kicker here with all the carrying on from Scott and Zod mainly, is that there are real advantages to every position.  The guy with the first pick takes who he thinks is the best player, but always turns out not to be, and then doesn't get any of the next 23 best players in basketball. 

The guy who picks last gets 2 of the top 13 players in basketball.

Picking in the middle isn't bad either because you're not at an extreme pole, and don't have to watch 23 of the best players disappear at a time without grabbing one of them.

I have picked at all ends of drafts in the different sports and never finished below 3rd place in any league, and won 2 of them.

Juan got first pick last year, did well the first month, then got creamed.

And after all this retarded bickering and me having to defend myself against baseless accusations with no evidence, I can't change the draft order anyway.  Then people who have an upper half of the round pick who get a lower one the second time the order is picked are at a disadvantage and will say it was done right the first time.

After all, we don't even have any money on this  :D

Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: juanelopezrosario on September 23, 2005, 08:43 PM
OK I WILL TURN OFF MY CAPS IF AN APOLOGY IS PRESENTED TO MATT
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 08:45 PM
OK I WILL TURN OFF MY CAPS IF AN APOLOGY IS PRESENTED TO MATT

I don't even want one anymore, people who had something to say about this provided me with some very valuable information about their intelligence and character.  That was worth the hooplah right there, it really was.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Chris on September 23, 2005, 08:51 PM
OK I WILL TURN OFF MY CAPS IF AN APOLOGY IS PRESENTED TO MATT

Or you could do it because a moderator asked you to.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: juanelopezrosario on September 23, 2005, 09:00 PM
caps lock suggests yelling.

And as know, we're all level headed here

this is silly and pointles it does not mean or is intended to imply yelling..for somopeople like myself that have actual visual problems and after a day of workin my eyesight becomes tired i need caps not to cause further strain on my eyesight which matt knows is extremely valuable....anyways i am out of this league i am sorry matt but if its not one thing is another see you late and take care
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Matt on September 23, 2005, 09:16 PM
A dentist with visual problems. . .

That's a comforting thought.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: jokabofe on September 23, 2005, 09:21 PM
A dentist with visual problems. . .

That's a comforting thought.

 :o
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 23, 2005, 09:24 PM
caps lock suggests yelling.

And as know, we're all level headed here

this is silly and pointles it does not mean or is intended to imply yelling..for somopeople like myself that have actual visual problems and after a day of workin my eyesight becomes tired i need caps not to cause further strain on my eyesight which matt knows is extremely valuable....anyways i am out of this league i am sorry matt but if its not one thing is another see you late and take care

I'm pretty sure everyone was joking about the caps lock.  I think.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Famine on September 23, 2005, 10:56 PM
Ok, enough fiddle faddle here.

How's this? Would everyone be fine and skippy if I gave up my number 2 spot for the last pick? Would we all stop being so accusing? Can't Brent confirm that in fact that was his post order, and so forth?

It does look suspicious, admittedly, but do you think for a second with the hawks that you guys are, that Brent, Dressel, and myself would try somthing so blatent? Please.

There was no rigging of this draft order.

Kevin
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: JediMAC on September 23, 2005, 11:10 PM
Well, I see this thread has really improved today...  ::)

I'm pretty sure everyone was joking about the caps lock.  I think.

Nope.  Nobody likes reading cap-locked posts in forums.  In fact, as far as I know, most people just skip over cap-locked posts altogether.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Rob on September 24, 2005, 12:16 AM
I didn't throw any fits, and I was careful to not accuse anyone of anything.

Leave the draft order as it is - fine, I was just agreeing with multiple other people that a Yahoo-run random draft order would be much better.

And I expect that to be the policy next baseball season.
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005 - Draft Order Posted, Draft begins October 1st
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 24, 2005, 10:53 AM
Juan, come back!
Title: Re: JD Fantasy Basketball 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 25, 2005, 08:39 PM
League deleted, join Jeff's league if you're interested (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=9551.0)