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Collecting => Customs => Star Wars Action Figures => Topic started by: Phrubruh on March 20, 2006, 08:09 PM
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/phruby/scorch/Scorchwip1.jpg)
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OFF WITH HIS HEAD! BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!
As long as his body is put to good use, Scorch makes a good organ donor. What are you going to use for his body armor? Sculpy? Styrene? Both?
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The plan is to dremel off the armor of the Scorch body and put it on the microman body thereby giving him the actuation that Hasbro forgot.
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That looks like an interesting concept, Phruby. Good luck Dremeling off the armor, though- I'm not good with one. I'm too much of a wuss to try that.
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sacrilege perhaps Paul, but the Scorch figure sucked enough ass below the waist that it needs done. I look forward to this one. The Microman body is gonna lend itself better to this project I think... The poseability is cool and the armor should help conceal it some whereas on bare skin it's a little different looking for my tastes.
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Thats one skinny Commando :) I think this will be a great custom. You are going to make Gregorbian jealous!!
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I like to think we have a friendly competition going on. So, I've got to hurry and get it finished before Gregorbian does.
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this is really going to be interesting. good luck dremeling the armor off. be careful, don't want scorch to claim a finger or something like that :-X
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Yah, I know. Odds are I'm going to get my fingers cut up somehow. I have a clamp and magnifying glass that should help protect my fingers.
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This is a very creative project. I've seen people add knee articulation to Scorch, but this takes it to a whole new level! I'll be keeping my eye on this custom. I can't wait to see what you do with it.
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sucked enough ass below the waist
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Jesse James , Im Shocked, Do you Kiss your Mother w/ that Mouth? ;D Just Kiddin LOL.
I wish I could get some of these Micro Man Figs at a good Price, I'd love to give this one a Shot.
I can't wait to see the Results.
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Wow, good luck with this. I would be happy just giving my Scorch articulated knees!
:P
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All your Microman customs have been very impressive and I'm really looking forward to seeing how this one turns out!
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How could you. All you needed to do was switch the legs :'( :'( :'(. Don't mess up or I'll find you and kill you >:( ;)
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Just try to find me. I move like the wind.
Anyway, I've got Scorch boiled and poped. Hasbro really cheaped out on this one considering the limited amount of movement. The legs are solid and the arms have limited swing. He reminds me of one of those preposed ep2 figures. Heck even the Cliff Claven figure has more joints. He's really easily to take apart. After a boil he practially fell apart in the pot.
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Better not be the other wind. :-X So the legs come out easy is what you are saying? If so thats perfect becasue then as soon as I get some scorches I'll start on MY RC's thanks Phrubes.
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Sacrelige it may be, but I say go for it. Your microman customs always end up looking great, ss I cant wait to see what you do with this one. Seeing as how I still havent found one, I cant comment on the base figures crappy articulation. But from the pics that I have seen anything would be better. ;D
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This is a great idea phruby!!!
Can i make a suggestion. Instead of cutting up and dremeling hasbros scorch to death, make casts of the pieces
and use that for the armor.
If you my hollow helmet technique, you coul get thin cast pieces that you can just apply to the microman body.
Just the route i would take... especially now that you are getting into casting... Kill 2 birds!
G
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Your totally right! Why didn't I put that together. I plan on repainting scorch anyway so why not cast it. Besides, why destroy the figure if I make a mistake in cutting. I can always make another piece.
Brillant! ;D
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What's cooking?
Commando soup and baby back ribs.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/phruby/scorch/rcwip1.jpg)
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Funny Phruby... but what exactly am I looking at here? Is this part of a molding process?
:)
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Scorch flavored jello 8)
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Coooool, can I have some of your leftovers?
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This is an idea that Glassman gave me a few weeks ago about how to do my Microman Scorch. He said to cast the Scorch armor and then dremel it to fit the Microman body. That way I don't destroy a prefectly good Scorch. So, I'm making a two part mold of his armor. I'm at the same time, making some molds of the Skywalker twins.
The only way I'm going to get this project completed is with a work in progress thread. So here it is.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/phruby/scorch/Scorchwip1.jpg)
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Commando soup and baby back ribs.
Yes, very cute, Phruby! What exactly are you casting them in? To the uninitiated in the ways of casting, it looks almost like that agar stuff one uses for DNA electrophoresis... :)
Oh, those are the baby twins, aren't they... At first I thought they might be Ayy Vida torsos or some such (another sort of "babe," at least to some ;) ) Do you have any particular plans for them at present?
... the Findswoman
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Looking good Phruby. I haven't had the guts to try out the two piece molding yet. Is that Smooth Sil 920 (or whatever) that you used? Unfortunately there is a lot of "dead space" that gets used up in these molds. I'm very anxious to see how this turns out and I may jump back in and try two piece molds.
Keep us updated!!
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Yup. That is Smooth Sil 920 and those are the twins. I have a few people that want casts of those so I have my cast and one from Glassman in there. We'll see how this goes.
The microman is cold. He needs his armor.
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Looks yummy!!! You really should have basted them with a nice bernaise sauce though. It really brings out the flavor. ;D
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Hey Phruby. Is this your first attempt at a 2 part cast? I tried it a few weeks ago and it didn't go well... I'll try again soon, but I just wanted to wish you luck. If yours DOES wrok, I think you're gonna build an awesome commando dude.
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If that's Scorch Jello, you're forgetting the all-important carrot shavings on top.
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Why do people insist on ruining jello with vegetables? My mom does that and its the most disgusting thing in the world. I'm sure this idea is responsible for most of the strife in the world today.
Anyway, yes this is my first two part mold. The nice thing is as long as the details come decently thru, I don't care how well the cast holds up. I'll just be cutting it up anyway and patching were I need to. It should be cool however to have a gummy bear looking commando armor.
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why did yours fail kit? what happened?
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My mom does that and its the most disgusting thing in the world.
Amen! My mom, and all of my female in-laws do that, and it never gets eaten.
You should get different pigment colors so you can have a Gummy Bear Microman Republic Commando squad!
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Looking good so far Phruby. I can't wait to see the finished version. You and Greg make some fantastic Microman customs.
Hmmmm... I wonder if it would actually be possible to cast a figure in Jello.... :P
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Can't Wait to See the End Results man.
One Sugestion, Turn the Helmet 90 Degrees Face Up or Face Down So that the Mold Seem Doesn't Bisect the Face Plate.
Keep up the Good Work!
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Darn. Your right about the faceplate. I wish I though of that. I hope it doesn't turn out too bad.
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Ok. I got the upper part of the mold made and casted my pieces. To make the upper mold, I removed the locking marbles and covered the entire surface with a lite coat of Vaseline. I mixed up the silicone and poured it in. I just barely lucked out because the torso was thickest piece to cast. The silicone barely covered it.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/phruby/scorch/twopartmold.jpg
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/phruby/scorch/uppermold.jpg)
The first time thru I didn't mix A&B casting plastic in enough of the correct proportion so half the part came out a little mushie.
I re-casted them again. This time, I made sure A&B were well mixed together before I poured into the upper mold. Then I poured it into the bottom mold and waited a minute for the plastic to start set. Then I put both pieces together and locked them with the marble holes I made originally.
After waiting about a half hour, I opened the mold. As you can see the pieces are stuck together with extra plastic. I used strong scissors to cut the pieces the apart and sanded them with my dremel.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/phruby/scorch/demolded.jpg)
Here are the new casted pieces next to their original.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/phruby/scorch/finishedcast.jpg)
Now I've got to prime the pieces white. After than I will start removing the armor from the casted plastic with my dremel. The primed white will make it easier to see what I am cutting.
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Instead of priming parts after casting, you should try some of the pigments that Micro-mark offers. I got the blue and the cast parts look much nicer than the funky amber color. It only takes a tiny bit mixed in to achieve a solid color.
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Jello should be vegetable-free. The middle east has been at war for centuries because one of the tribes of Israel brought Jello with celery in it to a potluck. Religion has just become a convenient excuse.
Phruby: This is an interesting way to make molds, I think I may borrow some of these ideas in the future. Can't wait to see how your Commando comes out.
-DD
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Yah, I wasted too much silcone on this. Now I have to buy more. That's the hardest part for me is figuring out how much I need and to get the portions right.
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Looking good Phruby, One suggestion, while its nice to have all the pieces in one mold,
you should try 2 smaller ones.
One with arms and legs and the other one with torso head and weapon.
They would be easier to navigate and you can press them together better
and force out the excess resin, so you can remove the extra plastic film with
your finger and not need a dremel.
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Good ideas Greg. I'll do that with the next mold. I went ahead a primed the parts last night and started cutting up the torso. I'm not thilled with the helmet. I may have to remold it. Ruprecht is right, I lost too much detail doing it that way.
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Hopefully Phurby you'll be able to help me as I'm considering venturing into molding myself for some of my 1:1 scale projects.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/phruby/scorch/rcwip1.jpg)
What do you do after this to get the second half of the mold?
Do you just pour the mold solution on top of this?
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do you need to put vaseline all over the 1st half, even the figure you're casting, or just the silcone in the first half?
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Just the silicone. But if you get some on the parts, it wont hurt, unless its a glob of vasiline, Cause when you pour silicone, it will make a mold of the glob on the part and you will have a deformed piece.
Thats why i use qtips to spread the vasiline.
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What if you took a small amount of vaseline and rubbed on your fingers. Then smoothed it on to the piece with your fingers? Would that not completely cover the part?
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yeah, it seemed the last time I used a q-tip to rub the vaseline, it gaumed up the cotton and made it into a blob.
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Depends on how big your "part" is, you naughty boy...
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I was wondering when someone would go in that direction. I can always count on Ruprecht to go there. ;D
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Haha, nice :P
I can't wait to see how this guy turns out Phruby! It seems like a lot of work, but when you pull it off, it will definitely be worth it.
Phruby - if you don't mind my asking, about how much did you end up spending to get your initial "batch" of casting supplies? I've been wanting to get into casting for a while now, but I'm not sure how much of an initial investment it will cost me.
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No to usurp Phruby's estimate but I seem to recall that the silicone that I purchased was about $25 and the resin was also about $25. I bought them from two different sources but I seem to recall they were in that basic price range.
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Exactly Brent. I got both from smoothon.com. Great company and fast shipping.
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heres some prices I researched:
Smooth-on
smooth-cast 300 $22 (what I got) (1 pint of both parts)
smooth-sil 920 $26 (what I got) (1 pint of both parts)
shipping and handling for both 9.63
total $57.63
micromark
cr-600 resin $28.55
one-to-one rapid mold builder $31.75
shipping and handling for both $10.75
total $71.05
polytek
polytek easyflo 60 $43.35
free shipping
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Here is an update on my Scorch. First thing I did was split the casted torso in half and then drilled out the insides. I tried to make it as thin as possible to fit on the MM body.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/phruby/scorch/scorchwip21.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/phruby/scorch/scorchwip22.jpg)
Then I decided that in order to hide the joints better, I gave him a balloon body glove. It also a better surface to glue to armor on to withour worring about gluing a joint together. The glove arms are a little loose but that will be hidden when the armor is placed on.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/phruby/scorch/scorchwip23.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/phruby/scorch/scorchwip24.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/phruby/scorch/scorchwip25.jpg)
Finally, I went ahead and painted the base cote of the chest armor and added some sculpty to the sides to make it connect all the way around. I need to fix some of the sculpty on the right side since it cracked when I cured it.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/phruby/scorch/scorchwip26.jpg)
I drilled a hole in the casted helmet so see how the head will fit.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/phruby/scorch/scorchwip27.jpg)
After seeing how the helmet looks on the body, I've decided to make a cast of Commander Cody's head and hollow out the casted helmet.
So as you can see, he is coming along slowly but surely.
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Wow Phruby... you really do like to try out new ideas. Very cool... this is something I don't think I'd have the patience for. Looking forward to the end result!
:)
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You know me Chewie. I've got to do things the hard way. :D
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Lookin good Phruby Lookin real good.
So far this little experiment of yours is yeilding some great success. I love that trick with the balloons. It actually looks like the body glove that troopers wear.
This thing is going to rock when its done.
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This is coming along great phurby.
Casting opens up alot of options now, doesn it?
I really like the armor and helmet cast. Cant wait to see cody's head on him.
You should try the removable helmet technique.
It will be easier than hollowing out the helmet.
Now that you are Mastering casts, it will be a breeze.
Great work.
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Your idea of cutting up the casted pieces was a great one. It's much easier to cut them up and not have to worry about mistakes.
I'm going to do the removable helmet technique. Can you post again how it is done? I'm not thilled with the helmet right now.
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I just posted it for you.
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Thanks Greg ;D
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Wow, that's lookin' pretty good man! I can't wait to see it finished! :)
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...and someday you will my son. 8)
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I've started adding the arm armor. I had to cut the casted arm pieces in half and then hollow out the pieces to fit the arm. I'm considering not adding the mid arm piece of armor because it will interfer with movement. Any opinions on this?
Anyway, I'll fill the gap between the two casted halves with sculpty.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/phruby/scorch/scorchwip31.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/phruby/scorch/scorchwip32.jpg)
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Add it all phruby, and maybe move those gauntlets down a bit.
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Add all pieces, and move the guantlets down some. Just add the points of the elbow armor, and paint on the white straps.
Kevin
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The problem is if I move those gauntlets down I will never be able to exchange different hands. The interchangable hands start where the gauntlets stop. I'm trying to keep the figure as flexable as possible and I think adding more armor to the arms will take away movement.
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That handproblem you have shouldn't be a problem at all. Just don't glue the gauntlets on the hands. Glue them on en leave a piece over it. I did this with my scarlet spider micromans' gauntlets, it works if you're carefull and don't use to much glue.
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Good idea Kit. I've pulled the armor off his arms and gave him a fresh body glove for his arms. I moved the gauntlets down and made sure I was still able to plug in different hands. I found that I now have room for the mid arm piece so I sculpted that. It still allows a free range of movement. I'll talk about how I redid the body glove arms with the pictures tonight.
One thing however about krazy glue is that it makes the latex balloon very crusty. Too much of it will make the latex crack and discolor. Use sparingly. In fact, I found the brush on krazy glue works best since it doesn't clogg.
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Here are the pictures with the arm armor attached. I redid the latex by cutting a piece of balloon in half and gluing it to the top and bottom of the arm. Then I wrapped the latex around the rest of it. The Microman arm only needs about 1/5" of latex to wrap it completely. I also didn't attach the latex to upper shoulder. I didn't think it was necessary because the shoulder armor hides the joint. This gives our man a lot bigger range of movement
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/phruby/scorch/scorchwip41.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/phruby/scorch/scorchwip42.jpg)
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Oh yah, I've decided that this guy will be Republic Commando Boss because I like the paint job on him.
(http://www.kidzworld.com/multimedia/101/6648_8.jpg)