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Collectibles => Past Hasbro 3.75" Lines => 30th Anniversary Collection => Topic started by: Jim on December 13, 2006, 11:06 AM
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Not sure if it was a hint of things to come but the new cardback shows the Trooper's colors more to the vintage style of grey tunic we have all been asking for. Thoughts? Seems like a no brainer and a few extra bucks for Hasbro.
(http://www.rebelscum.com/toys2006/TACdst1.jpg)
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Stay tuned to the Q&A, I believe Jeff asked Hasbro that very same question this week ;)
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And isn't that Veers' face on the DS trooper and the Rebel Honor Guard card backs?
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Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll put the correct boots on him and give him the correct weapon too.
But he is not all bad, at least he didn't get a Jango head. (yet)
I like this figure as an EP V trooper more than an Ep IV trooper.
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I think that Hasbro answered that last week. They said that there were "no plans" for a grey version. It is easy money for them, and if they don't make one, they're fools.
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Hmmm. Not sure how I'd feel about a running color change, but it's an interesting idea.
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It's a no brainer for them really. I am surprised if they don't do that.
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Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll put the correct boots on him and give him the correct weapon too.
I don't buy these guys having "rebel" blasters as standard issue. I think of it as more of a continuity issue rather than fodder.
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Well, in the Q and A this week, they said there are no plans this year for a running change of the torso color.
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Doesn't bother me. In fact, I'm kind of relieved.
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That's just the smoke and the light making it look grey, it's black. :P
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Eh, I am not going to wait for them. I will just by and extra one and paint it grey. Problem solved :)
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Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll put the correct boots on him and give him the correct weapon too.
I don't buy these guys having "rebel" blasters as standard issue. I think of it as more of a continuity issue rather than fodder.
Actually I'd say the reverse is the actual "truth" to the matter... The Rebels use a blaster they can obtain easily while the Empire has it in their armament "standard". In ANH though there's a lot of variety among the Imperial arsenal... The hangar officer Chewie whoops up on has a gun more closely resembling Han's, as do a couple others I believe, while the DST's are seen carrying the "Rebel" blaster and so on... I personally would've preferred the "Rebel" gun because I think we see it clearly in ESB too as a sidearm that DST's have if you look close, but at the same time I'll just swap out some blasters here and there to get what I want.
On the issue of the color change, there's a pretty clear shot of a DST in a grey tunic/uniform in a production still. IT's clearly lit and I don't think anyone was smoking to mix up the visuals... It's just clearly a grey uniform. The Trooper is the one manning the console where Tarkin/Motti/Vader have Leia and give the order to blow up Alderaan... Definitely a grey one exists. I've always just dubbed them a higher rank than the regular black tuniced guys... Perhaps their officer.
For a rebel instance of something similar, on Yavin IV there is a "technician Officer"... He's the one that does the talking to the pilots actually. His uniform is a shirt like an RFT's, techie pants, etc., but clealry he's a "tech" and seemingly oversees or has seniority over the guys int he light grey jumpsuits with headsets and the neck-less RFT helmets.
The Q&A gave me some hope that Hasbro will give us the Death "Squad" Commander at some point... Or DST Officer... Or whatever. If for no other reason than vintage nostalgia really. I'd still army build him to oversee the mass trooper army I'm gonna have at some point. :)
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The question is though Jesse, did the prop people think on that level of detail back in '76? :P
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There was a military advisor on for ANH and ESB so I think the idea was there... The ranks are, afterall, pretty elaborate for those two films (and obviously they're dumbed down for ROTJ bigtime). I think that's a possibility though. It'd give the impression at least that the rebels used what they could pilfer... Some Rebel Legions/Regiments might be armed to the teeth with E-11's, others have the RFT pistol...
I've always envisioned it that the rebels had certain "standard" gear they could get ahold of and use... Their rifles for instance from Hoth and Endor. But if a cache of E-11's are available I could see them outfitting a crew with them on a small ship such as Leia's, or whatnot.
It's interesting... On Hoth the troopers are seen with a variety of sidearms including Ponda Baba style pistols, Mauser-style pistols, RFT style pistols... And then of course everyone has the rifle. Interesting little details to notice I think.
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I knew there was a military adviser there for ESB and not for ROTJ, but didn't know about ANH. Thanks.
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I'm going to buy every single one of those guys that I see.
(which will probably be like 5, but I'd love about 20 of those guys when all is said and done!)
I hope Hasbro does release the grey version. What do you guys think about including the commlink thing that's hanging down from the side of his face from the photos?
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What do you guys think about including the commlink thing that's hanging down from the side of his face from the photos?
Is that on all the troopers or just guys operating the consuls?
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What do you guys think about including the commlink thing that's hanging down from the side of his face from the photos?
Is that on all the troopers or just guys operating the consuls?
Well, I think the only grey uniform troopers we saw were the ones operating the consoles.
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I can't recall specifically if ANH had them all or if some had them and some didn't... In ESB I don't think you can see the commlink headset that fits under the helmet. Same with ROTJ... I could be wrong though. I don't think all the ANH DST's had them though either, just some, most notable being the guy on the console in the DS Control Center...
Paul may be able to elaborate though.
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Here are a few pics I found online from each of the 3 films. Based on these pics, it appears we are getting the ESB version.
ANH console operator- note the earmuffs like the POTF2 version, the grey tunic, and the wire that hangs down
(http://www.starwars.com/databank/organization/imperialnavytrooper/img/movie_bg.jpg)
ESB version- no earmuffs, and no Imperial logo on shoulder, but has a holster
(http://www.starwars.com/databank/organization/imperialnavytrooper/img/eu_bg.jpg)
ROTJ version- no earmuffs but has logo on shoulder
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a1/Imperial_guard.jpg/800px-Imperial_guard.jpg)
(http://www.rebelscum.com/toys2006/TACdst2.jpg)
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Good comparison DB, and it's interesting to me that of the 3 ROTJ Troopers, 2 are in black jumpsuits ala the POTJ Imp. Officer (these are also the style we see on the planet Endor), yet the guy closest to us is clearly in a tunic ala ANH/ESB's Troopers... What I think we see with the uniform differences is a difference in ranks perhaps, more than anything.
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Well I'll be... I didn't notice that! It wasn't clear whether the foreground guy had the logo on his shoulder, but I figured that it was just in shadow. Interesting variations!
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The logo was my first tip, but the pen-pocket on the left breast was my second... Plus the uniform's much more "pressed" looking than the 2 in the background of course as well, but yeah that pen pocket sealed the deal for me on that uniform variance there... Plus it's 2 unique ones working together on the same console. Interesting for the militaria geeks for sure. :)
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Ok, we are not miliaria geeks we are "Historians"....ok you are right geeks....
Great Photos and Topic....
I have some pics on my Computer at the office and Wednesday when I go in, I will post them, if I can't find them online.
I have to concur that we are getting the ESB version of the Trooper. The blaster and the boots are the clincher.
There are scenes of the DST's in ANH with E-11's and DH-17's in the detention block, there is another shot of one in the Grey/Olive uniform as well. He is the only one that seems to be wearing the earphones. Even the DST in the superlaser corridor is not wearing them from what I can tell. Every non-officer DST in ANH was wearing lower boots as well. (I know this is the dead horse I continue to beat, but it really is a big thing to me)
Did you guys also notice that the ROTJ DST in the foreground has shorter gloves and not "Gauntlet" style gloves? Really seems like a hodge podge shot there. Maybe it is like a late war German Unit...they had guys with the early and even pre-war tunics fighting along side guys with late war issue substandard materials and everything in between. But then that would fly against the "A legion of best troops"....maybe they were on the other side of the base.....
Anyway, I'll track those pics down and get them up. This definately is a great figure regardless. I'll have an army of him for sure. Oh and be sure that if one pops up on ebay early that I will have it and I will do a mini-review here.
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Thanks for the photo's DB! That's the first clear picture I've seen of the Trooper in a jump suit.
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New evidence! This is a scan from the Creating SW 365 days book. The pic is of Edlund and Johnston as the DS Troopers that react to the firing of the superlaser. Note the "jumpsuit-style" with the shoulder emblems back from ANH!
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid221/pef3628120ae467f7deb2b88701f8fee0/eb7b422e.jpg)
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However accurate/inaccurate this figure is compared to the films, it really doesn't matter to me after seeing pics of it. I think it looks great, and would love to get about 10 of these. Perhaps more.
;)
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New evidence! This is a scan from the Creating SW 365 days book. The pic is of Edlund and Johnston as the DS Troopers that react to the firing of the superlaser. Note the "jumpsuit-style" with the shoulder emblems back from ANH!
Sweet photo DB, and I've got that book and seen it before... Definitely a different look on them, complete with over-the-boot pants and gunners hoods too. Take a DSG figure and slap a helmet on it and you've got a step in the right direction to these guys. The uniform variety in the films is really extensive... Was this a shot from ROTJ or ANH? I can't recall which, but I dig the uniform...
Extra cool is the lax facial hair. The Empire must not have minded as long as you were willing to stand next to the shaft where the beam is emitted. ;)
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Yeah, JJ, this pic is from ANH for sure. And wouldn't you know I again didn't look as closely as I thought. Ben Edlund on the left has his DS Gunner helmet off (and the hood on as you noted), and no armor with the jumpsuit, while Joe Johnston on the right is the DS Trooper with the jumpsuit. It really is neat to see the variations in the outfits, even if they weren't intentional :)
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I couldn't tell what kind of helmet the guy on the left had... The antenna is there though, yeah. I guess that is a DSG helmet, nto a DST helmet... Cool though to see it all like this. I love that book, it's a customizer's bible if you ask me.
I didn't even know it existed till I walked in and saw it one day and I bought it without hesitation. Had to have that one.
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Someone had brought up the topic of end of '07 repaint wave. Although Hasbro said that a Trooper repaint is not on tap, this would still be a logical choice for that wave.
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Thanks to the posted pictures of the Trooper in a jumpsuit, I've revised and added this character to my Imperial Battalion.
Of course he will be customized using the officer body and POTF Trooper head.