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Community => Watto's Junk Yard => Topic started by: Reid on March 24, 2007, 06:37 PM
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I'm thinking about collecting various military surplus, so I wondered if there was anyone here that was into that. A good friend of mine's dad is a SWAT team member, and he had a whole crate of surplus US Military gas masks that he was going to throw out, so he let me keep a couple. I know there are a few military buffs on here, and wondered if they were into this stuff.
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The only stuff I collect are the things I was issued. So I have a few nice sets of Desert BDU's and flight suits.
One thing that goes more towards a collection are the patches. I have a bunch, most of them are units I've been in, some I've traded for.
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Like Matt, I've got mainly stuff I was issued and a Blackhawk Industries tac vest because I didn't like the issued one. Pretty much for me also, BDU's and a few pairs of boots.
I've also got a handful of challenge coins, but I can't be sure of where all of them are.
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I forgot about the coins....and most are right here on my desk! I keep two in my wallet to be prepared for such challenges.
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I forgot about the coins....and most are right here on my desk! I keep two in my wallet to be prepared for such challenges.
Being that I'm only IRR now, I don't even bother carrying them with me. I'm thinking about getting into collecting them and putting them into a display case, much like the POTF coins are. I was thinking about picking up as many AFSF coins as I could, being that is all I've got on me now.
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I've been collecting various pieces of militaria for a couple of years now, with my primary focus being on the two main players of the Cold War, The United States and Soviet Union. I've also got a decent amount of pre- and post-Cold War US surplus and issued stuff, however. Just this weekend, whilst searching through thrift, I discovered an original US Army Air Corps flight jacket... and scored it for a mere $8! :D Needless to say, I was thrilled.
It really depends on where your area of interest is. If you're into dress and parade uniforms primarily, then the hobby can be rather expensive. Equipment, too, can be rather expensive. However, regular jackets and awards are pretty common and cheap (unless they're foreign... as a forewarning, shipping from Central Asia and Russia is KILLER).
You should absolutely get involved in this hobby however. Owning and perserving bits of history, especially bits in which you've a vested intellectual interests, is damn near religious and never disappoints.
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Thanks for the replies guys. I'm thinking collecting more current US gear (Like the aforementioned gas mask I nabbed for zilch $), with some older stuff here and there. There are a couple good surplus shops here in NoVA, so I might check those out.
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Todays Military Surplus is Tomorrow's Militaria...
Mil Suplus is CHEAP, Militaria gets expensive.
I've collected Militaria for a long time. WWII, German, British and American.
The stuff I got as a kid in the 80's or earlier on the cheap is now Crazy expensive. My Grandfather used to tell me that he could go down to Montgomery Wards (the old department store) and buy Britsh Enfields and German Mausers out of a barrel for $15 a piece for the good ones and $10 for the less pristine ones.
So, Get what you like now and later down the road it will be worth something. Some things get more expensive others don't. My German Helmets all got more expensive, belt buckles seem to have hit a ceiling and aren't worth that much...and Daggers are off the chart, as well as Samurai (WWII NCO style) have been really hot.
If you want WWII stuff, more and more personal collections are coming available as that generation passes on. It is a sad reality. Unless there was someone in the family who was interested in the stuff, it ends up in Garage Sales etc...even in the Ebay world we live in, there is still a generation or two who will "Garage Sale" it....
The Vietnam Stuff I got as kid for pennies...is now picking up. I didn't buy the stuff as an "investment", more just something cheap to play "Army" in as a kid.
Oh and I wouldn't actually breath in that gas mask if it (or the filter) is too old....learn from the mistakes of others!!!!
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I have several small military related items, but they do mean a lot to me. My Grandfather served in World War 2, and several years ago, when I was 9 or 10, he gave me his five war medals. They are not major medals/awards or anything like that (Or at least I don't think they are) but they are important to me because he gave them to me out of everyone in my family. (I was, and still am, the third youngest member)
I'm not sure this is what you guys are talking about, but I just thought I'd add this to the conversation.
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I'm going to go ahead and agree with the previous statement about it being a bad idea to use old gas masks. I thought it'd be cool to get ****** up and wear the mask around for a while...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/CorvusTortus/gas.jpg)
...but I chose poorly.
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One thing I picked up years ago and haven't done anything with to this point is my Grandfathers' WWII uniforms. I'm planning to eventually get his ribbons and stick them on. He commanded a tank destroyer and his uniform as the patches still. However, the one on the uniform blouse has the tiger with the tank treads in it's mouth, but the treads only have four wheels, an indicator it was not a mainline TD unit, but more of an elite force...however, I've yet to find more information on that and unfortunately he passed away a few years ago.
He never told me much about his expiriences until I came home from overseas when I was about 25, sadly it will be very difficult to find out more about him. Sorry to head off on a tangent here.
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He never told me much about his expiriences until I came home from overseas when I was about 25, sadly it will be very difficult to find out more about him. Sorry to head off on a tangent here.
My grandfather did the same thing with me when I got back from Kuwait!
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My grandfather did the same thing with me when I got back from Kuwait!
When my grandfather heard I was thinking about going back in, shortly after I got out, he told me not to go back. It's been hard, but part of me is still leaning that way. I've actually contacted my old reserve unit to see if they had any roster spots available. Right now, they only have overage slots which is kind of aggrivating because those are non-deployable positions.
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Down in the basement I think, my family has stored away a couple WWII German rifles, and if memory serves me right, a Nazi swastika flag down somewhere in the basement too. I believe one of my relatives that fought in WWII (I had about six) looted those off some captured Nazis. One of my great-uncles served in the pacific theatre and was KIA at Guadalcanal, and was awarded the Navy Cross, which I have stored away somewhere too.
On the topic of the gas mask, it's fairly new I believe (M17A2 (http://www.armysurpluswarehouse.com/product_info.cfm?productID=1386)), so I don't worry about that.
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My uncle is the military buff-He's got alot of stuff from WWII.From my Grandfather,Who was a Marine in the islands around Japan.I know he brought back an officers sword samaurai it was the shape of a white dragon with red ruby in its mouth.I haven't seen it for years.He's got some German stuff.Dad gave him his stuff when he came back from Nam'.He restored one these troop tranport army trucks from head to toe.That's cool ,but it's sure not made for comfort.
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After doing some research, I identified the German rifle I have as Mauser K98k. Pretty cool find, and I think I'd like to invest in more militaria from the WWII era. Does anyone here know of any good places to acquire items from that era? I'm interested in stuff like belt buckles, patches, bags, etc.
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Get ready to spend more money than you would have thought possible.
First off...on your rifle what is the Maker code, the year and condition are the "Dirty Birds" still in tact?. There is a chance your gun is worth $100 or $1000. What alot of beginning collectors fail to realize is that the Germans (and occupied countries) only made MILLIONS of all that stuff.
I don't know where you are, but I would start with a Gun Show, many collectors set up tables there and sell things from all eras. Also, if you have a significant other, take them "Antique Shopping", alot of good antique stores carry good WWII items.
I have collected WWII militaria since I was 13, when my Grandfather (Marines) gave me all of his old stuff, this was followed by 4 of his 7 brothers giving me their old WWII stuff as well. From Army Cavalry (yup WWII US Cavalary) to Navy and even some Flying Tigers stuff from China.
On the scale of Expense...the German Stuff is the most expensive for the most part. There are Japanese Items that top the scales, but the interest is in the German stuff so it gets more attention.
US stuff is third
British is Fourth
Russian fifth
Italian sixth
This is just my experience. I have bought British and Russian stuff and sold it for a loss before just to make room. It is not that it is less "Cool" just less in demand.
There are books at Barnes and Noble or Borders that can give you an idea of what is "Out there"..but their prices are like most price guides...
Stay away from Ebay unless you know what you are looking for exactly.
Learn how to detect fakes. This will save you heartache and headache. I always assume that what I am buying is a FAKE until proven otherwise. The fakes are that good these days. Not that a reproduction in your collection will ruin it, sometimes it is the only way to get certain items.
http://www.manions.com/
http://www.stewartsmilitaryantiques.com/
www.1944militaria.com
If you decide you want some stuff, send me a pm, I have stuff to get rid of...
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Paul, that is badass looking. Might I ask where you were able to pick that up from.
And on a sidenote, I'm gussing those are hills on the west side of Ft.Worth. ;)
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First off...on your rifle what is the Maker code, the year and condition are the "Dirty Birds" still in tact?.
"Dirty Birds"... You mean the eagle w/ swastika? There are a few of those still intact, I believe the year is 1943.
Also, while cleaning out the basement earlier this week, I stumbled upon this:
(http://www.johnnyg.westhost.com/d459-NSKK-rr-s.JPG)
(http://www.johnnyg.westhost.com/d459-NSKK-rr-eagle-s.JPG)(http://www.johnnyg.westhost.com/d459-NSKK-rr-bl-s.JPG)
(Note: Not actual photos, just what I could find online that looked exactly like it)
Among a few other knives, mostly German. This was definitely the most interesting of the lot.
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I'm not a piece expert, but it's very similar to Hitler Youth knives I've seen... Paul knows markings much better than I though, so I'm sure he can pinpoint that knife for you better. I also know very little German to know what it says on it there exactly.
Paul shared his halftrack with me before he'd posted about it anywhere and I still can't get over the fact that he bought... A HALF TRACK!
I thought I was cool for owning a 1:18 one and then Paul goes and buys the real damn thing. I got served I think.
Then he tells me some of the other stuff he has wanted to purchase, and if I didn't know better I'd have thought he was pulling my leg... But he's not.
We... We are not collectors, of things... Paul is. Paul makes Sansweet look lame by comparison. It's still, without a doubt, the coolest "toy" I've ever known anyone to purchase. It'd be so cool to ride in it. To ride in history, basically.
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Paul needs to post pictures of his whole collection... That Half Track is a museum quality piece. I'm insanely jealous of you. That is easily one of the coolest pieces of anykind I've ever seen in a private collection. I would absolutely love to have money and space enough to build my own WWII collection.
So Paul, have you ever driven that beast?
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Among a few other knives, mostly German. This was definitely the most interesting of the lot.
Yes those are "Dirty Birds" the Germans in WWII stamped EVERY single part of every metal product with them. After the war countries that got them (Israel, Turkey, Czech etc) would scratch them off or overstamp them. So if the birds are intact on a weapon it usually means it was a true vet bring back.
The Dagger you have (if it looks just like that) is a very good piece. Bladed weapons are highly sought after. That one is ceremonial, and every branch of service and government had their own daggers. Is yours Brown like that? If so it is most likely an SA dagger. The inscription is literally "Everything for Germany"... the SS version was Black and says something to the effect of my honor is true.
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I just can't get over how beautiful that thing is.
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That is so cool!
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(hence the F-4 Phantom paintjob)
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OK we took the M4a1 Mortar Half-Track to it's first event...
There is a small town here in Texas that has an "Oatmeal Festival" every year. Part of the festival is a parade... it was a 10 minute trailer ride, so we took a chance... I also have some video of us shooting the .50 and Water Cooled .30 (not during the parade)..but don't know how to upload...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/pmundheim/DSC00469.jpg)
With all the gear (minus the bodies...) 14,950 lbs.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/pmundheim/DSC00475.jpg)
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Ready to go back into the barn before October's trip to Camp Claiborne...
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For nothing more than just hanging out with pals and playing dress up...they gave us this.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/pmundheim/DSC00473.jpg)
Thanks to the City of Bertram, Burnet County and the Oatmeal Festival folks. We had a great time.
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I've been collecting cold war stuff mostly...
My collection so far is as follows:
- Grey military issue Ushanka hat with Soviet insignia.
- Black military issue Ushanka hat with Russian Federation insignia.
- Golden Soviet belt buckle with brown belt.
- Golden Soviet belt buckle with white belt.
- 2 Soviet Guards badges.
- 1 Russian Federation Guards badge.
- 1 belarus Guards badge.
- 1 Excellent soldier badge.
- Soviet Army Medic's jacket.
- Motorized infantry soldiers every day hat.
- Missile Cruiser Ukraine Soviet sailors hat.
- Soviet Army General Visor hat.
- WW2 reproduction NKVD visor hat.
- Blood donor pin.
- Athlete pin.
- Graduation from Soviet University badge.
- Ribbon bar.
- Telnyashka stripped sailor shirt.
- CCCP dog tag emblem.
- Russian Specnaz boots.
- Soviet Panama Hat/Afghanka.
- Another grey soviet Ushanka.
- 50 buttons ( 10 green soviet buttons BIG 10 green soviet buttons SMALL 10 gold soviet buttons SMALL 10 RF buttons BIG and 10 RF buttons SMALL )
- Soviet Officers peacoat ( naval )
- General of Aviation Visor cap.
- Officers field bag
- Officers map bag.
- Soviet VDV beret.
- Russian Federation VDV beret.
- Various cap badges.
- Various patches for jackets / uniforms.
- NKVD badge.
- 4 KGB badges.
Woo!
Thats all...and growing! :)
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What's the point in collecting the stuff, if you don't take it out and play with it every once in a while...
Here are some pics from last weekend:
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/pmundheim/97a6.jpg)
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We took the track to a Parade Thursday Night and to a Re-enactment Friday-Sunday.
History note.. These are not Marine Uniforms, some US Army Units during D-Day and the initial stages in France wore Camo uniforms. The unit we are portraying was the 41st Armored Infantry... a part of 2nd Armored Division. The camo's were quickly replaced as they were very similar to German Camo.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/pmundheim/c040.jpg)
The unit we are portraying was the 41st Armored Infantry
So which one of you is supposed to be Cmdr. Gree and where's Yoda? :P
Seriously that's some pretty impressive stuff, now that's a hobby I wish I could afford.
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You guys put my patch and coin collection to shame! :D
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I've got to add something here. I don't yet have the pics though, but I do have the rifle in my possesion.
My dad was going to give to me his Lee-Enfield .303 on day. Well, it was a late Christmas present to me yesterday. It was the British equivalent of the American M1 Garand. It was first produced in about 1909 and went through several modifactions and is still in service today in India. It was built in a similar fashion to the German Mauser 98, but the bolt works much faster. I have the No4, Mark I model. This model first saw production in 1939 and was more wide scale in 1941. I'm going to run a check this week and see exactly when my rifle was made, but I don't believe it actually saw combat in WWII, but I do believe my dad once traced it back to about 1943 for production.
I also have a bayonet that goes with it. The original bayonets were basically a spike and towards the end of WWIi, '44, the bayonets were modified into regular knives like most weapons had.
This rifle is still fully functional and is my new deer/hog rifle.
I'll try to post some pics of the rifle and bayonet tonight. I've also got a couple of uniform jackets and a shirt that I want to shoot pics of as well.
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Sounds like a beauty. Can't wait for pics.
There will be dates stamped on various parts of the gun (bolt, receiver, and maybe even trigger guard).
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Yep, I was looking at them last night. I don't remember if the trigger guard had one though. However, the bayonet did, so that was pretty cool.
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I took my military surplus out for day in the Rain/Sun on Saturday.
The first 26 seconds is about all they showed of it.
http://www.myfoxaustin.com/dpp/news/041809_american_heroes_celebrated_at_camp_mabry
We spent about 900+ .50 cal BLANKS.
I am the guy with the goggles on my helmet. By the time the camera was rolling we winding down the public event and my thumbs were killing me.
The top/cover was on the track because 3 hours prior it was raining a bit, plus we were parked for a while and wanted to have our own shade.
No footage of the track rolling (sorry JJ) but this even is well attended in Austin so if any YouTube videos pop up I will update.
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That kicks ass Paul, and that's the closest I've ever come to seeing an image of you too. ;D
Outstanding fun though, it appears. Wish I could join you sometime... hell, wish I had a uniform to join you and participate!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7S8yATABMc
Here we go... it is sad what that microphone does to the sound of the M2...
The Sherman behind us, while technically a WWII vehicle is actually an unconverted Post-War Israeli Super 8 which doesn't make it less cool, just less correct for WWII. Also the M2 on it is a simulator, so the sound is rather "subdued".
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Cool stuff Paul.
I can speak from first hand experience, simulated rounds do not do the Ma Deuce justice to how loud it really is. Awesome weapon with an incredible amount of firepower.
Every time I see this thread, I keep telling myself to stick up the pics of the stuff I've got right now.
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Anyone collect Osprey Publishing's books? Especially the series on tactics of various eras/militaries, and WW2 books in particular?
Paul I was wondering if you were into these at all? I'd like to pick up a few but I'm hoping I can get them used somewhere rather than plunk down $20+ a pop. Kinda wanted some opinions early too though.
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Jesse, I've seen the books you're talking about in a number of places but have never purchased any. They've got some good information in them though, but you are right that $20 a book is bit steep. I'd imagine you can get them off Amazon for significantly less.
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I probably have (or had at one time) 90% of the WW2 stuff from the the European Theater, and a dozen from other theaters and conflicts.
The Tactics books are fairly recent and I like them as an addition to the Uniforms, Units and Vehicle books I have. Some of the earlier books are not that great as they are overbroad. They will take US Paratroops from 1946-Modern Day and "Modern Day" means late 80's.
A caveat, the artists in these books are not bound by what "Actually" was worn, they improvise alot or do a rendition of 1 photograph out of 1000, so when you see a US General wearing an Iron Cross 1st Class on his pistol holster like a concho in a drawing, you have to realize it might not have been standard issue. Or a German wearing Italian U-boat Leathers.
Does the Pittsburgh area have a "Half Price Books"? I picked up at least 1/4 of mine there over time. It helped that this one was close to a hobby shop.
Ebay has some decent prices too.
If it is a title you want (like one about US Halftracks) then I would say Amazon and just know you are going to pay retail.
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I dunno if this exactly fits here, but a couple weeks back my buddy gave me one of his several Springfield 1903A3's... Love these rifles.
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Well I would say it counts, but i need photos to make 100% sure.
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(http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo185/cmcmillan76/WWII%20stuff/rifle1.jpg)
Nowhere near as cool as the stuff that Paul has, but this is this is the Enfield 303 that I inherited from my dad. I apologize ahead of time for the grainy pics as I've only got my phone to take pics on right now. The first pic here is the rifle and bayonet, still in the scabbard.
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The second pic here is the bayonet removed from the scabbard. As the war went on, the bayonet for this weapon changed and was eventually a more traditional knife blade as opposed to the to the "spike" that you see here.
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The last pic is the rifle seen from the butt...duh!! I love the way this thing shoots. Very smooth action on the bolt and it works with a short turn. Unlike most weapons of the age that were bolt action, this one has a short turn and short pull, which allowed the operator to fire faster. The magazine carries 8 rounds, just as the M1 garand did. This was the main weapon for the British empire during the war and in some countries is still in use. Matter of fact, a Canadian patrol in Afghanistan came under sniper fire. They got the sniper an the opposite side of the ridge, and found his weapon to be an Enfield 303.
I took pics of the uniforms I have, not much, just basic dress uniform. One is my grandfather's and the other belongs to the father of a lady who works with my mother in law. I'll get those pics up eventually.
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Later this year I'll have to post pics of my black rifle in production. Custom ordered this thing several months ago, probably won't get any of the parts in until October or November.
16" CAR AR15 w/ Bushmaster Lower
5.56 Chrome Lined Chamber & Bore (1-9 Twist)
A2 Flashhider, A3 w/ Removable Carry Handle
STD Sights & Aperatures
4 Stop Stock
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And I'm debating on picking up a Springfield 1911 GI Issue, but I dunno. I'd kind of rather have a compact .45 since I CCW...
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Hey Brad, I don't know how long you've been carrying, but I'll offer up my advice anyway. ;)
Springfield makes a phenomenal weapon that you can't go wrong with. I thought briefly of going that route, but due to funds I decided to go Glock. And I can't say enough how happy I am with mine. I couldn't decide on going with a 9mm or .45, so I compromised and went with the .40 cal Glock 27. I didn't want to have the massive recoil of the .45 or "lesser" stopping power of the 9mm (that round does get a bad rap). I love the G27 and how compact it is. I can wear it with just about anything and you never see it. The only thing I can't wear it with is my running gear, unless I use a waist pack. That's the only downfall of Glock that I've determined, their "blockiness". I've actually thought of getting a Keltec .380 for that purpose.
As for the AR, I'd love to see pics when you get it assembled. You probably already know this, but the flashider isn't really to keep the bad guys from seeing you, but is geared more towards the shooter not being blinded in night/CQB firing. I've tried to convince my wife I need something from the AR family, but she doesn't think I need another gun. I've wanted to get one since I got out of the military, but she always says no. Eventually I'll wear her down.
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I welcome the advice, Chris, and appreciate it. The big debate with CCW is whether or not to carry a revolver or a semi-automatic. I carry a revolver because it's safer and more reliable. The downside is I keep the top chamber empty, so I've only got four hollow points to defend myself if I'm forced to draw my firearm.
Obviously semi-automatics carry double the capacity, but then you've got to decide how to carry it. One in the chamber and ready to drop? Or gamble that you'll have time to slide back? I was initially going to carry a Walther PPS but I didn't feel confident working the safeties if my adrenaline was up. I'm an expert marksman, but I haven't got enough experience with semi-automatics. Walther's are great, by the way, my dad ended up getting a P99c.
I wish I could carry a Judge. (http://www.jedidefender.com/bsmith/naughty.gif)
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(http://www.jedidefender.com/bsmith/1903a3.jpg)
1903a3 - Remington Arms 5-'44 barrel.
(All it really needs is a stacking assembly and a sling)
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Thanks Chris and Paul for the info. :)
I'm gonna dig around. B&N has some cheap oens available and my member discount may get me a decent cut on new ones... I just really would like a lot of their tactical books, and books on fortifications and things. I may delve into their vehicle-specific books too at some point if I plan to update any of the 1:18 tanks and stuff I have... or get into 1:16 RC stuff.
Regardless though I've wanted to get into these, and I may try used first. See what I can dig up!
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I just got the one on Vietnam Firebases. Pretty interesting. Amazon and BN.com have special "packs" where if you buy certain titles together you get a discount.
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I'm bumping this with an article I was reading...
Some cool **** in here:
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/01/sci-fi-weapons/
That first weapon is simply scary. Grenades set to detonate over their target's heads... So much for ducking behind a wall/car/etc. :-X
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Most of those I'd read about before but the Taser Shockwave and new flash bangs were new to me. Some cool stuff. I like the disco dazzler seasick machine too!
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And youc an make your own of that one. :)
I'm not a wiring expert but if I can get the materials cheap enough I'm going to try it.
I liked the taser shockwave too. We could've used that during the G-20 Summit for sure.
I like keeping up on the latest/greatest military tech for sure... History/Military channel can keep you up on that stuff fairly well. It was neat then seeing some of it get implemented into COD:MW2 since that's to take place in the not-too-distant-future. Stuff like auto shotties and things... They're interesting weapons. That grenade launcher though, I'd seen on TV at some point I think, or at least the rounds, but seeing the actual weapon and what all it can do is fascinating. GL's hadn't really improved much since the bloopers when you think about it, but these new ones look to be a huge leap in quality and shortly will be in service to each squad.
It's freakish thinking that you can fire a round though soon that will detonate directly over your head, all from a personal hand-held weapon... That's crazy stuff.
I liked the laser thing at the end too, that's shot down drones so far.
They used those sound weapons during the G20 and they worked really well... There was footage on the local news of them in action and they certainly broke up the crowd quickly. They're not good for maneuvering around though and countering highly mobile/active groups of people who've got a plan to attempt to get around the resistance they may first encounter.
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My first build. This is a WIP. Missing the front hinge, a rear sight, and a sling.
Bushmaster
14.5" + Yankee Hill Phantom
1:7 twist
OD Green Magpul
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