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Title: Hasbro 3.75" - 2009 Wave 1 (RotLA)
Post by: David on July 25, 2008, 06:01 PM
(http://www.rebelscum.com/SDCC08/hasbro/presentation/image65.asp)

Indy w/RPG
Satipo
Toht!!!!
White Dress Marion
German Mechanic
Title: Re: 2009 Wave 1 - Raiders of the Lost Ark
Post by: Reid on July 25, 2008, 06:07 PM
Bad link.
Title: Re: 2009 Wave 1 - Raiders of the Lost Ark
Post by: Brian on July 25, 2008, 07:25 PM
The entire wave looks pretty good to me, glad we got a little peek at next year with Indy.  I'm curious to see how much support the line will have from here on out (if we'll still see deluxe, vehicles, Adventure Heroes, etc.).
Title: Re: 2009 Wave 1 - Raiders of the Lost Ark
Post by: Reid on July 25, 2008, 08:00 PM
(http://www.rebelscum.com/SDCC08/hasbro/presentation/Slide68.JPG)

Great wave! Toht and the German Mechanic look great, and Satipo is surprisingly good as well. Indy RPG and Marion don't interest me. I thought Col. Dietrich was supposed to be in this wave? Hopefully we'll see pics of him later.
Title: Re: 2009 Wave 1 - Raiders of the Lost Ark
Post by: Scott on July 25, 2008, 08:20 PM
OMG a melty Toht head, I think I will die now a happy man (I'd be happier if I actually got to see a pic of Willrow Hood today  :-\)
Title: Re: 2009 Wave 1 - Raiders of the Lost Ark
Post by: Darth Broem on July 25, 2008, 09:47 PM
I will get all the figures in that wave.  I love the melty head as well.  Pure awesomeness.  Yeah, hopefully Dietrich will have a melty head as well.  A Sapito figure.  I never thought I would live to see the day. 
Title: Re: 2009 Wave 1 - Raiders of the Lost Ark
Post by: DSJ™ on July 26, 2008, 12:19 AM
Wow! Sapito, yeah I thought I would never see the day too. The German Mechanic looks sharp & melty Toht, sweet!  8)
Title: Re: 2009 Wave 1 - Raiders of the Lost Ark
Post by: Morgbug on July 26, 2008, 12:25 AM
Great stuff.  Very happy to see this wave.
Title: Re: 2009 Wave 1 - Raiders of the Lost Ark
Post by: commandernarra on July 26, 2008, 12:50 AM
Satipo is a great sculpt and shows a good willingness for hasbro to do second stringers.
The others aren't bad, love the one barefoot on Marion :)
Title: Re: 2009 Wave 1 - Raiders of the Lost Ark
Post by: Diddly on July 26, 2008, 03:46 AM
Looks fantastic other than Toht's waist... :-\
Title: Re: 2009 Wave 1 - Raiders of the Lost Ark
Post by: Daigo-Bah on July 26, 2008, 11:20 AM
Yeah, with Toht I thought we'd see his coat (rhyme!), and I actually think he's the weakest of the wave which isn't saying much since they all look great!  Is Marion's shoe in the pile of snakes?
Title: Re: Hasbro 3.75" - 2009 Wave 1 (RotLA)
Post by: evenflow on July 28, 2008, 12:48 AM
Melty head = awesome!
Title: Re: Hasbro 3.75" - 2009 Wave 1 (RotLA)
Post by: Jeff on July 28, 2008, 08:05 AM
Very cool to see the melty head... of course, now I'll have to buy two so I can display both.   ::)
Title: Re: Hasbro 3.75" - 2009 Wave 1 (RotLA)
Post by: David on July 28, 2008, 05:29 PM
Yeah, I'll probably need two as well, unless he's coming later on in a battle pack. In fact, perhaps that's how we're gonna get Dietrich in the line. Hmm...
Title: Re: Hasbro 3.75" - 2009 Wave 1 (RotLA)
Post by: Reid on July 28, 2008, 07:09 PM
In fact, perhaps that's how we're gonna get Dietrich in the line. Hmm...

Hopefully not, Hasbro probably just left him out of the slideshow.

Title: Re: Hasbro 3.75" - 2009 Wave 1 (RotLA)
Post by: ruiner on July 29, 2008, 02:00 PM
One of two things will happen here - one, you'll have to order a case online as the pegs will still be overflowing with Mutts come January or two, this wave will never see the light of day because of no retailer support.

Title: Re: Hasbro 3.75" - 2009 Wave 1 (RotLA)
Post by: Morgbug on July 29, 2008, 02:40 PM
One of two things will happen here - one, you'll have to order a case online as the pegs will still be overflowing with Mutts come January or two, this wave will never see the light of day because of no retailer support.



 :'(
Title: Re: Hasbro 3.75" - 2009 Wave 1 (RotLA)
Post by: Brian on July 29, 2008, 02:47 PM
One of two things will happen here - one, you'll have to order a case online as the pegs will still be overflowing with Mutts come January or two, this wave will never see the light of day because of no retailer support.

I'm wondering what the retail situation will look like as this year ends and we get into 2009 as well.  Right now, around here, its pretty bleak.  Target and TRU have next to nothing (mostly Belloqs and Monkey Men last I checked), and Wal-Mart has tons and tons of the first two waves falling off the pegs.  The only Wave 3 figures I've been lucky enough to get (Grail Knight, Indy, Young Indy) was from HTS, and I keep checking for the rest of that wave.  From the looks of the "sold out" preorder for Wave 4 at BBTS (even with the super high prices), a lot of collectors are worried about these showing up at retail as well.  I wonder what we'll see in 2009 from the Indy line.
Title: Re: Hasbro 3.75" - 2009 Wave 1 (RotLA)
Post by: Morgbug on July 29, 2008, 03:31 PM
Well if the crying smiley didn't clearly indicate it, I'm in total agreement with Travis.  I just don't see this line making it, much as I want it too.  I really, really want it to and this assortment shows they've got a good handle on what should get made, but as with so many other toy lines they overestimate/gamble on the popularity of certain characters.  Worked with Maul, not with Mutt. 

Up here we're crammed with everything and thus far the TLC wave hasn't made it to Canadian retail.  There's pretty much nothing I can't find that hasn't been released in the first couple of waves, even the Russian soldiers are easy to find.  The line never really got much prominent display other than at TRU and they don't look like they've restocked at all, though I hope that's not true. 

It's why I snagged a box with ToD in it and if this makes it to pre-order at BBTS I'll jump on it there too.  I don't think the line has legs beyond collectors.
Title: Re: Hasbro 3.75" - 2009 Wave 1 (RotLA)
Post by: David on July 29, 2008, 04:34 PM
One of two things will happen here - one, you'll have to order a case online as the pegs will still be overflowing with Mutts come January or two, this wave will never see the light of day because of no retailer support.



 :'(

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Title: Re: Hasbro 3.75" - 2009 Wave 1 (RotLA)
Post by: ruiner on July 30, 2008, 08:18 AM
Yeah, I still don't the understand the strategy of packing Henry Sr. one per case.  He is a very memorable and well liked character.
Title: Re: Hasbro 3.75" - 2009 Wave 1 (RotLA)
Post by: Ben on July 30, 2008, 11:40 AM
Maybe this line would do a little better if Hasbro offered credit to retailers for shipping back a few characters, or at least just both versions of Mutt.
Title: Re: Hasbro 3.75" - 2009 Wave 1 (RotLA)
Post by: Pete_Fett on August 2, 2008, 08:40 AM
Great wave of figures. I just wish one of the figures in there had been a re-make of the Vintage Kenner Belloq figure in the tan slacks/white shirt that he wears for most of the movie.

Oh well, I guess they have to leave at least ONE vintage figure unmade.

You almost have to wonder the strategy of that. Obviously since the figures are so darn hard to find 'cause the pegs are clogged with KotCS and RotLA figures, I guess many of us are going to order by the case - I hope the online retailers get cases of this wave and all future waves with 2x of each figure. That way if you only want one set you can easily pair up with a like-minded collector and split the case.
Title: Re: Hasbro 3.75" - 2009 Wave 1 (RotLA)
Post by: Morgbug on August 2, 2008, 02:50 PM
Well, except you'd need two Toht figures, one for each head.  So they could overpack him. 

But ya gotta know they'll repack Mutt and a KOTCS Indy in the box too.   :P
Title: Re: Hasbro 3.75" - 2009 Wave 1 (RotLA)
Post by: Pete_Fett on August 2, 2008, 11:51 PM
Are both heads available in the package or is it the type of thing where half of the Toht figures will have one head and the balance of figures made will have the other?

I guess you're right, I'll probably want a second Toht figure just to display with the melting head.

Since Hasbro has indicated that the Ark Spirit/Ghost will be something they want to work into the deluxe line, perhaps that will come with a Belloq on fire. Since Dietrich is also rumored for this wave, perhaps he'll come with an imploding head. So combining the deluxe figure set with the Toht and Dietrich figures will allow you to recreate the climax of the movie.
Title: Re: Hasbro 3.75" - 2009 Wave 1 (RotLA)
Post by: Pete_Fett on December 25, 2008, 01:13 PM
Could someone please explain to me why Hasbro is so dead set against releasing these five figures all together in a single box set and then selling it through HasbroToyShop.com, IndianaJonesShop.com, Diamond Distributors, etc...?

They seem to have no problem selling things like the Crimson Empire Crucible Set or the "Legend of the Saga" Set though limited channels.

Yes, I know that those two sets are all re-packs of figures previously made or "new-ish" figures that are replicated four times over in the same set, but we already know that Toht's body is ready for production. I find it hard to believe with the "six month" lead time that Hasbro keeps throwing up to us, that if Toht's body was tooled and they were able to produce those Cobra Commander figures, that the entire second wave of RotLA figures weren't already tooled.

So instead of having a negative ROI on the development efforts of this wave, why not pump out 10K - 20K sets of them, and sell them to those channels for say $40 with an MSRP of $55 - $60?
Title: Re: Hasbro 3.75" - 2009 Wave 1 (RotLA)
Post by: knashdx on December 26, 2008, 09:24 AM
Could someone please explain to me why Hasbro is so dead set against releasing these five figures all together in a single box set and then selling it through HasbroToyShop.com, IndianaJonesShop.com, Diamond Distributors, etc...?

They seem to have no problem selling things like the Crimson Empire Crucible Set or the "Legend of the Saga" Set though limited channels.

Yes, I know that those two sets are all re-packs of figures previously made or "new-ish" figures that are replicated four times over in the same set, but we already know that Toht's body is ready for production. I find it hard to believe with the "six month" lead time that Hasbro keeps throwing up to us, that if Toht's body was tooled and they were able to produce those Cobra Commander figures, that the entire second wave of RotLA figures weren't already tooled.

So instead of having a negative ROI on the development efforts of this wave, why not pump out 10K - 20K sets of them, and sell them to those channels for say $40 with an MSRP of $55 - $60?



Simple answer -

2008 is done, and so is the Indy line of toys. 2009 is a new year and it is time to focus on new lines of toys and on the lines that don't sit on the hooks collecting dust like Indy did.
Title: Re: Hasbro 3.75" - 2009 Wave 1 (RotLA)
Post by: Pete_Fett on December 27, 2008, 11:55 AM
Simple answer -

2008 is done, and so is the Indy line of toys. 2009 is a new year and it is time to focus on new lines of toys and on the lines that don't sit on the hooks collecting dust like Indy did.

Wow. Thanks for the thoughtful response.

I suppose that the box set WOULD collect dust if it:

a) Were to be hung from a peg

and

b) Were to be sold in a store


Title: Re: Hasbro 3.75" - 2009 Wave 1 (RotLA)
Post by: knashdx on December 29, 2008, 11:00 AM
Simple answer -

2008 is done, and so is the Indy line of toys. 2009 is a new year and it is time to focus on new lines of toys and on the lines that don't sit on the hooks collecting dust like Indy did.

Wow. Thanks for the thoughtful response.

I suppose that the box set WOULD collect dust if it:

a) Were to be hung from a peg

and

b) Were to be sold in a store





Considering how hard it was to find Henry Sr., Elsa, & Vogle from the TOD wave in carded figures, but they appeared in the Box Sets at Target from when the movie was released and now a lot of those sets are going to clearance it is entirely possible that the set would sit for some time. Collectors would be big into it, but the average toy market would probably not be interested since there is nothing new for Indy at this time to drive the line fo toys.
Title: Re: Hasbro 3.75" - 2009 Wave 1 (RotLA)
Post by: Captain Piet on December 30, 2008, 11:51 AM
Simple answer -

2008 is done, and so is the Indy line of toys. 2009 is a new year and it is time to focus on new lines of toys and on the lines that don't sit on the hooks collecting dust like Indy did.

Wow. Thanks for the thoughtful response.

I suppose that the box set WOULD collect dust if it:

a) Were to be hung from a peg

and

b) Were to be sold in a store




Damn, son, you pwn'd hiz azz.
Way to go, Pete!
Title: Re: Hasbro 3.75" - 2009 Wave 1 (RotLA)
Post by: Pete_Fett on December 30, 2008, 12:28 PM
Considering how hard it was to find Henry Sr., Elsa, & Vogle from the TOD wave in carded figures, but they appeared in the Box Sets at Target from when the movie was released and now a lot of those sets are going to clearance it is entirely possible that the set would sit for some time. Collectors would be big into it, but the average toy market would probably not be interested since there is nothing new for Indy at this time to drive the line fo toys.

Couple of things - only Henry Sr. and Vogel from the Last Crusade wave appeared in a Target box set. The figures in those sets were also missing many of the accessories that came with the individually carded figure. So I know a lot of collectors of this line who passed on the box set simply because it didn't give them Henry's bag, umbrella, grail diary, etc...

Second point, like I said in my original post, the "Crucible" set of figures is being sold solely through on-line vendors and via comic shops by way of Diamond Distributors. This is the part that you seem to be missing, I'm not suggesting at any time should these box sets ever show up in Target, WalMart, or TRU.

Third point - even if these sets WERE to hit the brick-and-mortar chain stores, this box set of five figures would have one thing that those three Target sets did not. NEW FIGURES. If the Vogel had been different from the carded version or the Henry had a differently painted suit, or the Indy had been the TLC Version but with dirt, I think a lot of collectors would have wanted that box set for their collection simply because there was a "new"-ish figure in the box. Same thing could be said about the KotCS and RotLA box sets. Fortunately for collectors like me who only collected an open set of the entire line, I had no need to buy these box sets. If the RotLA box set contained Marion in the White Dress, the German Mechanic, Toht or Indy disguised as a German soldier, there wouldn't be a single RotLA box set on clearance.

Final point - Hasbro has told us many times before that they do not want to show us things until the item's release is an absolute certainty. Hasbro has also told us numerous times that the lead/development time required for a figure is anywhere from six months to one year. Combine these two facts and I would bet good money on the fact that when Hasbro showed us those RotLA figures at SDCC, they were all ready to mass produce these figures. What stopped them was probably the fact that Target, WalMart and TRU all came back to them and basically said "this line isn't working, there won't be space for it in our resets after end-of-year inventory in January." This put the breaks on producing individually carded versions of each of these figures.


So anyway, my original post was mainly meant to communicate this question: If Hasbro can get online retailers to pick up CRAPPY sets like the Crimson Empire "Crucible" and Legacy of the Saga (which also found it's way to K-Mart), then why couldn't they put all five figures into a modest box design and offer them through Diamond Distributors?

Title: Re: Hasbro 3.75" - 2009 Wave 1 (RotLA)
Post by: CHEWIE on December 30, 2008, 12:55 PM
I completely agree, Hasbro should have been able to find a way to get these to collectors in some sort of capacity... very disappointing in how they handled this line from day one.
Title: Re: Hasbro 3.75" - 2009 Wave 1 (RotLA)
Post by: Captain Piet on December 30, 2008, 01:28 PM
The sad fact is Hasbro has to want to do it. The company just doesn't want to.
Title: Re: Hasbro 3.75" - 2009 Wave 1 (RotLA)
Post by: Jesse James on December 30, 2008, 02:15 PM
For your scenario to work Pete, a retailer would have to want the item as well...  It's possible nobody does.  From what I hear every etailer is pretty pissed off about the Indy stock they're left with right now, and Indy's like a hot potatoe to them.   :-\

I'd love to see it happen too because that wrapped up pretty much the last ROTLA figures anyone really REALLY wanted, but IJ has had the fork in it for some months now, and Hasbro and retail both see it as a plague I guess.
Title: Re: Hasbro 3.75" - 2009 Wave 1 (RotLA)
Post by: Pete_Fett on December 30, 2008, 10:02 PM
For your scenario to work Pete, a retailer would have to want the item as well...  It's possible nobody does.  From what I hear every etailer is pretty pissed off about the Indy stock they're left with right now, and Indy's like a hot potatoe to them.   :-\

Ok now - this is a good answer. I wasn't aware of this. Sure, I can understand Walmart being upset with having to blow out the rest of their IJ figures at $3 each, but an e-tailer is going to be hit even harder with the left-over wave 1 figure cases.

I'm sure EE will have no problem selling through their Temple of Doom cases (even though the second half of the case is absolute crap) simply because the ToD figures are hard to come by. But I did notice that EE has the first two waves of both basic figures and deluxe figures as part of their Winter Blow-out sale.


I'd love to see it happen too because that wrapped up pretty much the last ROTLA figures anyone really REALLY wanted, but IJ has had the fork in it for some months now, and Hasbro and retail both see it as a plague I guess.

It's unfortunate that e-tailers and Hasbro can't look at the situation and try to work something out that. I'm perplexed that Hasbro would not want to show some sort of ROI for taking the time to sculpt (and possibly tool) these five RotLA figures. If the figures of Indy in German Soldier disguise, Marion in the White Dress, the German Mechanic and Sapito haven't been tooled, fine.

But what about Toht?

Toht's body w/o any modifications was used for the suited Cobra Commander at Comic Con. You mean to tell me that as a single carded exclusive, no one could swing a Toht figure with both heads? How about finding two e-tailers and split the figure where you have to buy it with a normal head from one and the melty head from another. That way, you can get the collectors who would want both to make two figure purchases instead of just one. I know I probably sound pretty out there for even suggesting that, but I would have wanted to buy two Toht figures ANYWAY simply because I would want to display both head versions as opposed to just a figure with an alternate head at its feet.

I'm hoping that as a minimum they will possibly do that for a SDCC exclusive or something.

I have to wonder how big of an overlap there really is between IJ collectors and SW collectors. I guess it must be a lot smaller than say the sub-set of SW collectors who will purchase EU based items. I know quite a few guys locally who pass on anything that wasn't in a movie. So you mean to tell me the projected audience of that Crimson Empire Crucible set is more than the projected audience of a box set of figures that updates all but one of the old vintage RotLA figures?

Perhaps I'm taking it a bit too far, but to me it's almost like Hasbro pushing the Crucible set on Diamond and going "it's Star Wars, no matter how bad the figures are, the lemming collectors are still going to buy".

Whereas, they really should be shopping a set of these five figures around going "these are great figures, they complete updating most of the vintage Kenner line, they are going to be exclusive to you, anyone who bought RotLA figures is going to want one, etc..."

Like Pieter said, you almost get the feeling that Hasbro just doesn't want to be bothered and you have to wonder if there is a fifth Indiana Jones movie, are they even going to support it with an action figure line?

But hey - I heard that Darryl DePriest is taking dumps in a box and slapping the Star Wars logo on them - I'm sure those will sell!  ::)
Title: Re: Hasbro 3.75" - 2009 Wave 1 (RotLA)
Post by: Captain Piet on January 1, 2009, 11:37 AM
For your scenario to work Pete, a retailer would have to want the item as well...  It's possible nobody does.  From what I hear every etailer is pretty pissed off about the Indy stock they're left with right now, and Indy's like a hot potatoe to them.   :-\

Ok now - this is a good answer. I wasn't aware of this. Sure, I can understand Walmart being upset with having to blow out the rest of their IJ figures at $3 each, but an e-tailer is going to be hit even harder with the left-over wave 1 figure cases.

I'm sure EE will have no problem selling through their Temple of Doom cases (even though the second half of the case is absolute crap) simply because the ToD figures are hard to come by. But I did notice that EE has the first two waves of both basic figures and deluxe figures as part of their Winter Blow-out sale.


I'd love to see it happen too because that wrapped up pretty much the last ROTLA figures anyone really REALLY wanted, but IJ has had the fork in it for some months now, and Hasbro and retail both see it as a plague I guess.

It's unfortunate that e-tailers and Hasbro can't look at the situation and try to work something out that. I'm perplexed that Hasbro would not want to show some sort of ROI for taking the time to sculpt (and possibly tool) these five RotLA figures. If the figures of Indy in German Soldier disguise, Marion in the White Dress, the German Mechanic and Sapito haven't been tooled, fine.

But what about Toht?

Toht's body w/o any modifications was used for the suited Cobra Commander at Comic Con. You mean to tell me that as a single carded exclusive, no one could swing a Toht figure with both heads? How about finding two e-tailers and split the figure where you have to buy it with a normal head from one and the melty head from another. That way, you can get the collectors who would want both to make two figure purchases instead of just one. I know I probably sound pretty out there for even suggesting that, but I would have wanted to buy two Toht figures ANYWAY simply because I would want to display both head versions as opposed to just a figure with an alternate head at its feet.

I'm hoping that as a minimum they will possibly do that for a SDCC exclusive or something.

I have to wonder how big of an overlap there really is between IJ collectors and SW collectors. I guess it must be a lot smaller than say the sub-set of SW collectors who will purchase EU based items. I know quite a few guys locally who pass on anything that wasn't in a movie. So you mean to tell me the projected audience of that Crimson Empire Crucible set is more than the projected audience of a box set of figures that updates all but one of the old vintage RotLA figures?

Perhaps I'm taking it a bit too far, but to me it's almost like Hasbro pushing the Crucible set on Diamond and going "it's Star Wars, no matter how bad the figures are, the lemming collectors are still going to buy".

Whereas, they really should be shopping a set of these five figures around going "these are great figures, they complete updating most of the vintage Kenner line, they are going to be exclusive to you, anyone who bought RotLA figures is going to want one, etc..."

Like Pieter said, you almost get the feeling that Hasbro just doesn't want to be bothered and you have to wonder if there is a fifth Indiana Jones movie, are they even going to support it with an action figure line?

But hey - I heard that Darryl DePriest is taking dumps in a box and slapping the Star Wars logo on them - I'm sure those will sell!  ::)

Shew! I was just able to preorder the DePriest Defecation Recreation set through Excretion Earth. I was worried they'd be all wiped out.