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Title: Greedo
Post by: Scott on April 27, 2010, 12:12 AM
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Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Scott on April 27, 2010, 12:18 AM
After all of the controversy around Death Squad Commander...we run into Greedo.

Kenner got the vintage figure horribly wrong...putting a Greedo head on Nabrun Leids suit. 

(http://www.jedidefender.com/collect92/nabrun.jpg)

So...like the Commander, even though Kenner may or may not have screwed the pooch here...he's done, right?

I sort of dream of a Cantina Dude Four Pack of messed up costumes with proper heads

VTSC Greedo rocks the articulation house but the vest sucks ass in my opinion.  I like the head and body but usually display him with a Saga/OTC rubber vest instead.  I didn't want to cheat I guess :P

Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Jayson on April 27, 2010, 12:24 AM
Big fan of Greedo especially the Vintage version as it's so damn 70s looking. The VTSC version is a great figure in it's own right - the cloth vest is funky, but I like it and the holster as well.

My favorite Greedo prior to the VTSC mold is the OTC repaint of the Commtech figure (http://www.yakface.com/TGuide2004/ActionFigures/potf2/commtech/greedo/lf2.html) as the OTC version (http://www.yakface.com/TGuide2004/ActionFigures/otc/otc22/lf2.html) has a better color to the vest and the blaster wound is painted red, which absent on the Saga/Cantina (http://www.yakface.com/TGuide2004/ActionFigures/saga/cantina3/lf2.html) figure  :)
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Jesse James on April 27, 2010, 12:37 AM
Jayson pretty much summed up my thoughts on Greedo...

As a kid I called him Broccoli guy because I hated Greedo, and Broccoli.  He became a freakish Cobra experiment gone awry I think.

I like the VTSC figure and I can go either way on the vest...  I thing the sculpted one looks probably more realistic, but I'm a sucker for cloth on figures so I like the vest as it stands, and so I never replaced mine.  I have the Commtech and repaint of Commtech figure in the Cantina or with SE Jabba as random Rodians (there was at least one other in the Cantina, and Jabba had a buttload at Docking Bay 94 for some reason).  They're good figures I've not had the heart to retire.

I really feel the VTSC Greedo is flawless though...

Funky Cantina Dudes in their incorrect outfits?  I'd buy them.  Hell, even if they were kitbashes and maybe not perfect, I'd buy them I think. 

I'm curious now how you'll put Snags up...  Snaggletooth, the basic figure, is really messed up, not counting the Blue one even.  I love that guy.

I'd really dig a funky Cantina Dudes set though, but Hasbro's so wishy washy on the cool stuff sometimes...  I just feel like it's one of those things they wouldn't really put much effort into. :(  I'd dig it though.
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Blaster under the pillow on April 27, 2010, 04:58 AM
I'm with you on the vest Jesse, somehow I've never swapped it round although I admit it's pretty odd looking. I wouldn't mind though, if they gave him some blue eyes like the vintage figure the next time he comes around. I don't know how accurate it would be, but for the nostalgia factor I'd like it.

Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: BillCable on April 27, 2010, 08:57 AM
So...like the Commander, even though Kenner may or may not have screwed the pooch here...he's done, right?

If you try to follow the "Is it like the old Kenner sculpt?" model as determinant of whether the figure has been remade, then you'd need to conclude that R2-D2 hasn't been properly remade.  Because no modern figure has a head that looks like this:

(http://www.jedidefender.com/collect92/r2%20vintage.jpg)

It's just a bad measure.  Lots of Vintage figures were not accurate.  So saying that a character hasn't been remade because none match the details of the Vintage version is silly.  I think you need to judge based on whether the movie character has been redone.  Clearly Greedo (as well as the trooper in the Death Squad Commander photo) have been redone.
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Scott on April 27, 2010, 09:21 AM
I agree to a point Bill...I don't want an innacurate R2-D2 and I don't think anyone considers Greedo undone.  Where I disagree is on figure like the Death Squad Commander, Echo Base Rebel, White Bespin Guard etc where visual evidence does support the figure that the vintage figure is based on does exist in the movie...and thus is undone.  There is no evidence of the vintage Greedo and as you said, Kenner made lot of mistakes (Hoth Han, all of the Cantina monsters etc)

One interesting one coming up with this very issue is the Power Droid ;)
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Darthfloyd on April 27, 2010, 09:55 AM
One interesting one coming up with this very issue is the Power Droid ;)

Yeah but I think most everyone would love a modern repaint of the vintage power droid...lol.



I never was a fan of greedo...Not the character, not the figure, etc.  Still, I think the VTSC is pretty dang close for what you need.  Because there were a glut of these selling for $5 each, and I really wanted the stormy Lucas, I got a few of these, and the endor Han.  I ended up removing, repainting and placing an endor Han vest on greedo, and it works pretty well.  Of course, I use him in my Jabba's Palace dio, so its not exactly greedo, but its good enough for my purposes.


I always figured that the mis-colored cantina aliens were just a way to loosely do figs in brightly colored outfits that kids would want from that particular scene.  In fact, I remember the kids I was playing with at the time had multiples of each (there were 3 brothers, and their parents bought them each a set of figs), and they also had other figs, in the same scale.  At first, I thought greedo belonged to a different line.  (of course, being 2-3 and all, I don't remember really watching ANH til after watching ESB about 100 times).

I don't see why they couldn't do a Nebrun-Greedo now...they have both of the molds, so they may as well.  Then again, I'm happy enough that they're using the vintage packaging, so I'll take my nostalgia where I can get it.
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on April 27, 2010, 01:25 PM
It's just a bad measure.  Lots of Vintage figures were not accurate.  So saying that a character hasn't been remade because none match the details of the Vintage version is silly.  I think you need to judge based on whether the movie character has been redone.  Clearly Greedo (as well as the trooper in the Death Squad Commander photo) have been redone.

You have to look at the source of the inaccuracy, though - the R2 figure, while looking a bit funky by modern standards, is obviously produced based on what R2 looks like. Greedo very obviously does NOT look like the vintage figure outside of his head and hands, and, as Scott pointed out, the body is a sculpt based on an entirely different character. Then there's issues like the DSC, which are likely based on discolored or inaccurate/ambiguous photography. I wouldn't lump R2 into those issues - that's more an issue of a cheaper/less detailed sculpt than anything else.
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Darth_Anton on April 27, 2010, 01:53 PM
I called him and all the creatures from the cantina in this wave "goofy guys."
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: iFett on April 27, 2010, 02:19 PM
I had a Greedo when I was a kid, but he had huge nail stuck in his chest so he couldn't do much.
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Jesse James on April 27, 2010, 02:48 PM
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You have to look at the source of the inaccuracy, though - the R2 figure, while looking a bit funky by modern standards, is obviously produced based on what R2 looks like. Greedo very obviously does NOT look like the vintage figure outside of his head and hands

That's an interesting point...  It's the separation, to me, of what Hasbro was capable of, and what they flat out made mistakes on...  The brown-vested Hoth Rebels were in the movie and that's what the vintage figure was based on, so I don't consider him done.  The DS Commander was (to me) in the movie, and unique, but doesn't have a modern counterpart since I don't consider the Black suited Naval Troopers the same character.

The Cantina guys are often the result of Kenner not having the quality materials needed to do the figure accurately (Though how they goofed Greedo escapes me.  He wasn't short on source material).  The reason Snaggletooth is red and blue is a pretty well documented screw-up story in the Vintage world though, and so to me that's what they are then...  Goofs.  I still wouldn't mind figures of them since they're so significantly goofy, but that's me.  I don't lump them in with figures like the Hoth REbel or DSCommander though.  They're on a different level to me, in terms of what they represent.  They're characters in the movie that haven't gotten figures yet, accurate or otherwise.
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on April 27, 2010, 03:48 PM
I'm totally happy with them making movie-accurate versions of the vintage goofs - I'm not too worried about whether they make a modern version of the screwed up figures at all. If they went out of their way to make a modern version of the goofed Greedo figure, I think that would actually be pretty stupid, especially considering it wouldn't very likely sell much. I would like all of the unmade vintage stuff redone for sure, though.
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 27, 2010, 06:59 PM
I stopped at the Commtech Greedo.  The VTSC one came out while I was on a collecting hiatus.

I'm happy with what I have in my collection.
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Diddly on April 27, 2010, 07:38 PM
I need to track down a Commtech/OTC Greedo for the vest. I've heard good things about the plastic vest on the VTSC Greedo but haven't actually tried it out myself.
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Jabba the Slug on April 27, 2010, 08:11 PM
It's so funny - VTSC Greedo was so well done, that I didn't realize he had anke joints until two years after I bought him! The ankle joints are very well hidden.
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Muftak on April 28, 2010, 02:18 PM
Ha! Greedo here surprised me, I figured we would get Boba Fett as #13...

But I did get Greedo with the other aliens in the Sears Cantina Set, so I guess this is more accurate "chronologically." He was definitely in the B-Class of figures I would play with (and lower as we progressed through the movies and got to the well-done aliens from ROTJ)

Never noticed as a kid how inaccurate his costume was, either. When we got the POTF2 version, it was easy to admire the authenticity, though now his pinhead and washed out colors make him another oddball from that time.

I like the Saga/Cantina Bar Set Greedo, but I've gotta admit it's just because I prefer the sculpted vest to the hairy thing the VTSC version has. Of course you can put them together to get the best of both worlds, and maybe Hasbro will release it like that someday, but stricktly speaking I go with Saga/Commtech/OTC. Plus, you gotta love the blast wound.
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Scott on April 29, 2010, 12:07 AM
Ha! Greedo here surprised me, I figured we would get Boba Fett as #13...
Just going chronologically...Fett isn't until #21 ;)

I like the Commtech etc version of Greedo fine but the colors all seem a little too washed out or pale. 

(http://www.starwars.stopklatka.pl/images/greedo.jpg)

The VTSC version nailed Greedo color and articulation wise, its just that damn vest
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Jesse James on April 29, 2010, 01:44 AM
It is a bit puffy/fuzzy.  Thinner/flatter material would've been better.  It looks like it has a fuzz to it, like suede/leather does, but that's more like a fleece they used on the VTSC figure.
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Matt on April 29, 2010, 02:57 AM
It is a bit puffy/fuzzy.  Thinner/flatter material would've been better.  It looks like it has a fuzz to it, like suede/leather does, but that's more like a fleece they used on the VTSC figure.

I customized up my own Greedo vest out of a Shamwow.  It looks so much better than the VTSC vest, and it's 50% more absorbent, too, which is handy if I have any accidental spills in the collection room.  Highly recommended.

(http://i39.tinypic.com/1es1hj.jpg)
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Jesse James on April 29, 2010, 03:09 PM
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which is handy if I have any accidental spills in the collection room

Or another rowdy incident in the Cantina!!!!111  Hahahahahaha!  Yeah!  :D

I have a shamwow (yes, seriously), and I think you picked an excellent product for your figure's vest.  Better than Gorilla chest.
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Jeff on April 29, 2010, 03:19 PM
I customized up my own Greedo vest out of a Shamwow. 

Wait - are you saying you customized a Shamwow Greedo vest for your figure or for yourself?  Or both?  I'd love to see some pics of you in your Greedo costume with the Shamwow Vest!
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Jesse James on April 29, 2010, 03:26 PM
You'll be sayin' "Wow" when you see them.
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: P-Siddy on April 29, 2010, 03:34 PM
I didn't know about Greedo's blaster wound under the OTC one I have. Thanks for the Easter Egg, Jay!
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on April 29, 2010, 03:40 PM
I'm more of a Zorbeez guy, myself.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Cu5SmXqnDaQ/SQdtTxp1q7I/AAAAAAAAAU0/qnAyE4LxafQ/s400/zorbeez.jpg)
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Jesse James on April 29, 2010, 03:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2RaChWmSu8

Are you so sure you prefer that?  After this awesome remix, I doubt you're so solid on that opinion.
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Matt on April 29, 2010, 03:56 PM
Wait - are you saying you customized a Shamwow Greedo vest for your figure or for yourself?  Or both?

Yeah, both.  I started with the one for my own personal Greedo vest for everyday wear and then I made the little one with the leftover scraps.  Worked out great.

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I'd love to see some pics of you in your Greedo costume with the Shamwow Vest!

Check my Twitter feed--just now put 'em up, getting ready to cross-Tweet them to my Facebook.

You'll be sayin' "Wow" when you see them.

You sure will!
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Scott on April 29, 2010, 04:19 PM
Have you ever wore your Greedo vest out in the rain?
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Crackbrick on April 29, 2010, 06:54 PM
Top 5 vintage for me, loved that toy as a kid.
he stole the speeder all the time.
he shot first as well.

CB
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on April 30, 2010, 07:27 PM
Have you ever wore your Greedo vest out in the rain?

I love that song.

(http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/021030/17264__harris_l.jpg)
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: jono on July 19, 2010, 01:34 PM
Late to post so sorry in advance.

Greedo-possibly my favourite figure when i was a nipper.
Then the VHS came out and -although he was still my favourite- damn was he ever inaccurate!

Looks very kitch now -but still somewhat cool.

As for new ones?  I don't think we are there yet. Yes we have the greatly posable SVC version -but his biker/spacer suit is totally the wrong colour -far to deep a shade. There is of course the vest and i think the various versions of the commtech sculpt have a better representation of the tragi-comic rodian.

No not there yet.

But considering how many sculpts this guy has already got -it may be the end of the line.
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Crackbrick on July 19, 2010, 07:23 PM
He is one of my favs.

cb
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Greedo The Green Menace on July 19, 2010, 11:31 PM
I'd really love to see Hasbro do a modern inaccurate Greedo based on this fig. That would be great.
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: jono on July 20, 2010, 03:55 AM
That is a great idea.

 Presumably if the line lasts there will be a GG Mega Vintage of Greedo. If so i'll be tempted for sure.
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: Scockery on July 28, 2010, 01:19 PM
I chewed the antenna off my original Greedo...just last week. As a kid, I must've been angry at the character. Seems like the original  (from the Sears Cantina set) had limbs made of harder plastic than the replacement I got years later.
Title: Re: Greedo
Post by: EpicGon on September 29, 2010, 08:49 PM
The soft goods vest make it easier to remove than the plastic one of the comtech chip
Vintage Greedo depicts boots which Greedo never used, but is nice as an early interpretation of the character.

I think in vtsc version, the fingers could be longer because it would be difficult for the figure to grab the blaster.