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Title: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Scott on September 8, 2011, 09:43 PM
Game on...GB v NO so far a barn burner

The new kickoff rules suck!
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Matt R. on September 8, 2011, 09:46 PM
Better than the idea of just started on the 20 yard line instead of a kickoff
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on September 8, 2011, 09:56 PM
Less exciting, but worth it if there are less guys getting injured.  Whoop, packers just scored AGAIN!  Unbelievable.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Scott on September 8, 2011, 10:06 PM
They might as well just start at the 20...it is a waste of time and asinine
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on September 8, 2011, 10:12 PM
They might as well just start at the 20...it is a waste of time and asinine

Well, this technically still gives the team the option of running it out if they really wanted to.  I think they want to leave the option of onside kicks or squib quicks as well. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: McMetal on September 8, 2011, 10:22 PM
Does anyone plan on playing any defense in this game?

LOL @ GB defense being ranked #1 in my fantasy league.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: P-Siddy on September 8, 2011, 10:22 PM
I guess I missed out on the new rule... can someone post it?

Oh, and game interruption by Mayor Bloomberg, FBI and NYPD about possible terror threat with the upcoming 9/11 anniversary.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Scott on September 8, 2011, 10:34 PM
They are kicking off at the 35 instead of the 30.  Every kick except 1 tonight has been a touchback
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Scott on September 8, 2011, 10:35 PM
And that one...wow what a return!
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Matt R. on September 8, 2011, 11:09 PM
Does anyone plan on playing any defense in this game?

LOL @ GB defense being ranked #1 in my fantasy league.

The Saints never really win with defense, they are all about the offense.  And The Pack, it is just the first game of the season and the Saints does have Brees and Ingram.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on September 8, 2011, 11:42 PM
Does anyone plan on playing any defense in this game?

LOL @ GB defense being ranked #1 in my fantasy league.

The Saints never really win with defense, they are all about the offense.  And The Pack, it is just the first game of the season and the Saints does have Brees and Ingram.

And from a fantasy perspective, both defenses/ST's scored a TD, so probably still good plays this week depending on your scoring.   ;)
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Rob on September 9, 2011, 12:51 AM
They are kicking off at the 35 instead of the 30.  Every kick except 1 tonight has been a touchback

Dumbest rule change ever.  Kickoffs are pretty much boring, and WAY more drives just automatically starting at the 20.  Takes away field position, and while tonight's game didn't show it, I think it reduces scoring to some extent as well. 

Bad, bad rule.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on September 9, 2011, 08:55 AM
Bad, bad rule.

I'm with you guys on it making the game less exciting.  I think we'll hear more and more complaints about it as the season rolls on.  However, I know they did this to limit injuries.  Would be interesting to know how many injuries in past years were the result of kick-off returns and how serious they were?  You have two groups of guys flying full speed at each other, someone's bound to get hurt once in a while. 

I heard mention from one of the comentators last night about this possibly evolving to a punt format instead of a formal kick off.  That might make things more interesting...
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Diddly on September 11, 2011, 04:07 PM
Colts, Chiefs, Steelers: WELP.

Texans, Lions, Bills: Woah.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Paul on September 11, 2011, 11:20 PM
Dear Tony Romo,

OMG you suck.  Please stick to golf, so the Cowboys can use the #1 pick after the upcoming 0-16 season on a Quarterback.
Unless Jerry Jones trades the pick for a bag of magic beans.

Love,

ME

(yes a little dramatic and I know the Cowboys have no chance this year, but damn I wanted more than 30 minutes of hope this season)
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: McMetal on September 12, 2011, 08:49 AM
McNabb - 39 yards passing, L

Grossman - 305 yards passing, W

Suck on it, national media.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on September 12, 2011, 09:20 AM
What the heck happened to Atlanta yesterday?  Two ace receivers, a hall of fame TE, and their RB goes over 100 yards.  Result: 12pts?! 
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Paul on September 12, 2011, 01:35 PM
What was the end result of the kickoff rule after the first weekend?

I think the TD's were a result of teams not focusing on coverage during the shortened off-season.

Can't wait for tonight to watch 2 games with Teams without a team I root for involved.

Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: GrandMoffNick on September 22, 2011, 02:08 PM
We are only two games in. He is 0 and 2 and thrown 4 interceptions, but I think I better start eating my crow when it comes to Cam Newton now. Where did his accuracy come from?
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Rob on September 22, 2011, 02:42 PM
Let's see if he can still do it a few weeks from now when he can't sneak up on anyone.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Scott on October 2, 2011, 09:32 PM
With the first pick in the 2012, the Minnesota Vikings select...
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: McMetal on October 3, 2011, 09:00 AM
With the first pick in the 2012, the Minnesota Vikings select...

I wish they would get the first pick, they're one of the very few terrible teams this year who would NOT be looking to draft a QB high. Thereby increasing the odds of a trade for the right to draft Andrew Luck. I want that kid in a Redskins uniform in the worst way.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on October 3, 2011, 09:13 AM
Let's see if he can still do it a few weeks from now when he can't sneak up on anyone.

Looks like he can still do it.  :-\
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Rob on October 3, 2011, 10:36 AM
He'll be coming back down to earth soon enough.  He's not going to average 400 yards per game passing.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 3, 2011, 10:42 AM
With the first pick in the 2012, the Minnesota Vikings select...

I wish they would get the first pick, they're one of the very few terrible teams this year who would NOT be looking to draft a QB high. Thereby increasing the odds of a trade for the right to draft Andrew Luck. I want that kid in a Redskins uniform in the worst way.

With what people are saying about Luck and what I've seen watching some Stanford games, if the Vikings really ended up with the first overall pick, they better draft Luck and then trade Ponder.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 3, 2011, 12:19 PM
With the first pick in the 2012, the Minnesota Vikings select...

Funny!
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on October 3, 2011, 05:12 PM
He'll be coming back down to earth soon enough.  He's not going to average 400 yards per game passing.

Actually, if you exclude the game he played in heavy rain he 's averaging 409 YPG already.  And that's against some pretty good defenses in the Cardinals, Packers, and Bears.  The rest of the Panthers schedule is no worse than what he's already faced. 

I think he could pass for 5,000 yards this season - he only needs about 300 yards per game from here on out to hit that.  To put that in perspective, I think Marino holds the single season passing yards record at 5,084.  I certainly don't think he's still "sneaking up" on teams at this point.  Barring injuries or large amounts of rain, he sure looks on par for a record year.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on October 3, 2011, 05:18 PM
With the first pick in the 2012, the Minnesota Vikings select...


That would be a dream come true for MN.  But you know where Luck's really going to end up...

(http://dribbble.com/system/users/18885/screenshots/280116/suck_for_luck.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Rob on October 3, 2011, 06:10 PM
Actually, if you exclude the game he played in heavy rain he 's averaging 409 YPG already.  And that's against some pretty good defenses in the Cardinals, Packers, and Bears.  The rest of the Panthers schedule is no worse than what he's already faced. 

Yeah, duh.  That was my point.  That number is guaranteed to drop.  No one has ever averaged 400 yards in a season, forget in a career.  Cam Newton isn't going to be the first.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on October 3, 2011, 06:42 PM
No one has ever averaged 400 yards in a season, forget in a career.  Cam Newton isn't going to be the first.

Is anyone saying he WILL reach a 400 yard per game average?  ???  I don't think anyone expects that, so not sure who you are trying to convince.

I inferred from your posts that you still didn't think much of him, but maybe that wasn't your intent.  I think he's the real deal at this point.  If he sees a 25% decline in his output for the rest of the season, he could still break the single season passing record.  As a rookie.  That's incredible.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Ryan on October 3, 2011, 11:42 PM
With the first pick in the 2012, the Minnesota Vikings select...


That would be a dream come true for MN.  But you know where Luck's really going to end up...

(http://dribbble.com/system/users/18885/screenshots/280116/suck_for_luck.jpg)

The Vikings and the Dolphins both have to find a way to lose the Broncos first. I'm already at the point where I'd like to see the Broncos go 1-15, and come up with the first round pick. I'm so sick of all the Orton vs Tebow crap around here. Niether of them are going to be winning NFL QB's with the Broncos. Josh McDaniels really made some BAD choices in the two drafts he was responsible for here in Denver. I could deal with another year of Suck if it means we get some Luck. (Look at that lame rhyme...)
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Diddly on October 4, 2011, 01:04 AM
I'd like to tell you guys that Luck is coming to Dallas but Jerry Jones will be drafting another WR in the 1st round and then trading away the 2nd and 3rd round picks.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Paul on October 4, 2011, 07:58 AM
I still afraid Jerry is going to trade the 1st round pick for Randy Moss.   (yes I know he is a free agent.)

Romo is the Lebron of the NFL.  Except without the talent.  Mostly just the not playing all 4 quarters.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 10, 2011, 12:03 AM
Looks like the era of Tebow begins in Denver.  I thought they might actually pull out the win today.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: McMetal on October 10, 2011, 09:55 AM
Redskins 3-1
Giants     3-2
Cowboys 2-2
Eagles     1-4

 8)
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Paul on October 10, 2011, 11:06 AM
Redskins 3-1
Giants     3-2
Cowboys 2-2
Eagles     1-4

 8)

A great weekend for Cowboys football, they didn't give up a 4th Quarter lead.  That is what I call progress.  Sadly they did not cut Tony Romo, that is what I call disturbing.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on October 10, 2011, 12:54 PM
Green Bay Packers 5-0    ;D

I was a little worried during the first quarter, but happy to see them turn it around.  Too bad they have NO ground game to speak of.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: ruiner on October 10, 2011, 02:07 PM
They don't need it.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Jesse James on October 10, 2011, 05:16 PM
Went to my first Steeler game this Sunday.  Fun.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: McMetal on October 11, 2011, 11:00 AM
It's offically Tebow time!

 :-\
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 11, 2011, 12:05 PM
I hope I'm wrong and Tebow actually works out for Denver, but their season is over (most likely), now Tebow can not be any good for the rest of the year and then Denver will know that and can move on. Glass half full about the switch way to look at it.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 12, 2011, 01:05 PM
What if Indy ends up getting Luck? Doesn't seem fair. Good timing for Manning's injury seems like a weird thing to say, but seriously.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: ruiner on October 12, 2011, 03:22 PM
He'll mentor Luck for two years and then we'll have the second coming of Aaron Rodgers.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 12, 2011, 03:24 PM
He'll mentor Luck for two years and then we'll have the second coming of Aaron Rodgers.

Exactly!!!!! I'm sick of MN where all we ever do is recycle old guys.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on October 12, 2011, 03:33 PM
He'll mentor Luck for two years and then we'll have the second coming of Aaron Rodgers.

I saw a stat on Rodgers in that Sunday night game stating that he has the best career completion percentage of any starting QB in history.  I know he's good, but I didn't realize he was record-setting good at this stage of his career.  The Packers have definitely snagged some good QBs over time.

As for Luck, all signs point to him being a great NFL QB, but I wonder if he is also the most over-hyped player ever going into the pro's. No one really thought much of Favre or Warner or even Brady when they initially transitioned to the NFL, so it sure doesn't seem like the guys with all the hype are the same guys that succeed at the next level.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Rob on October 12, 2011, 05:18 PM
The Packers have definitely snagged some good QBs over time.

Seriously...  Teams are supposed to wallow around in their own filth for a decade after having a hall of fame QB, but the packers just pluck another one off the end of the first round.  It's not even fair
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: stormie on October 16, 2011, 04:50 PM
What the hell is going on in SF? 5-1.

I have very fond memories of the niners during the 80s and 90s, but for the last decade+ they've been irrelevant. Is Harbaugh a genius or are they just fortunate? Personally, I think it's a little bit of both. Regardless, I find myself a little rusty when it comes to getting excited for the niners...but it feels good!
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Scott on October 16, 2011, 10:45 PM
Come on Colts, Rams and Dolphins!!
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Jesse James on October 17, 2011, 01:07 AM
That sounds like a man risking his 401K. ;D
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Diddly on October 17, 2011, 02:51 AM
What the hell is going on in SF? 5-1.

I have very fond memories of the niners during the 80s and 90s, but for the last decade+ they've been irrelevant. Is Harbaugh a genius or are they just fortunate? Personally, I think it's a little bit of both. Regardless, I find myself a little rusty when it comes to getting excited for the niners...but it feels good!

Dude, it's ALL Harbaugh. Look at what he did with Stanford, made one of the worst collegiate teams into a powerhouse. Doing the same thing with SF. And as a Niners t-shirt fan, I'm excited too. I need something to cheer for since Dallas and Houston always disappoint.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on October 17, 2011, 01:13 PM
You're only a fan of Niners T-shirts???
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Diddly on October 17, 2011, 09:40 PM
Heh, "t-shirt fan" is a term we use down here for people who cheer for college teams from schools they didn't attend. Mostly used as an insult for high school dropouts who cheer for winning teams (i.e. Michigan, Alabama, etc.) and pretend like they went to that school when all they really did was buy a t-shirt. We also apply the term to pro teams we like from different regions we have no connections to, although it isn't meant to be insulting.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 27, 2011, 11:48 PM
No talk about Tebow?  Granted, luck was on their side, but give that kid some time, and call plays that play to his strengths, and I think the Broncos will do quite well with him as QB.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on October 28, 2011, 05:22 AM
I only caught a few highlights, but pretty spectacular range between his misses and mistakes vs. the last 2 drives.  He'll be fun to watch if nothing else.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Ryan on October 29, 2011, 02:44 AM
No talk about Tebow?  Granted, luck was on their side, but give that kid some time, and call plays that play to his strengths, and I think the Broncos will do quite well with him as QB.

But Luck won't be on their side...
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 30, 2011, 12:42 AM
I saw the game (I do live in Broncos Country afterall) and whoever was calling the plays needs a swift kick in the ass.  They kept trying to do the same thing over and over.  Tebow doesn't have the arm of an Eli Manning or a Tom Brady...stop trying to have him throw it all the way down the field.  Establish a good run game (easy enough with Moreno and Tebow) then set up play action and screens.

Shore up the defense a bit, and the Broncos could win the division.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: ruiner on November 4, 2011, 05:39 PM
lol
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 7, 2011, 12:05 AM
Today was a good football day!   ;D
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on November 7, 2011, 08:55 AM
Today was a good football day!   ;D

I watched the Packers/Chargers tilt and the Steelers/Ravens.  Two of the best games I have seen in a while and pretty happy with both outcomes.   ;D
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: I Am Sith on November 21, 2011, 07:58 AM
I think you can put a fork in the Bears...  Reports are that Cutler broke the thumb on his throwing hand in yesterday's game.  I don't like their chances with Haine at the helm instead of Cutler.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on November 21, 2011, 08:55 AM
I think you can put a fork in the Bears...  Reports are that Cutler broke the thumb on his throwing hand in yesterday's game.  I don't like their chances with Haine at the helm instead of Cutler.

Yeah, he's out 6-8 weeks.  Ouch.  Bummer for Bears fan, especially after he had such a good outing yesterday.

The real question is - will the Packers go undefeated?  I have a bad feeling about Thursday...that will be their third game in 11 days and they were already looking tired yesterday.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Jeff on November 21, 2011, 10:09 AM
I'd be less worried about winning and more worried that Rodgers survives the afternoon...  the way some of those Lions are playing, I don't think they'd think twice about cheap-shotting Rodgers if they get the chance.  :-\
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on November 23, 2011, 03:29 PM
I'd be less worried about winning and more worried that Rodgers survives the afternoon...  the way some of those Lions are playing, I don't think they'd think twice about cheap-shotting Rodgers if they get the chance.  :-\

Have to agree, I am a bit worried about that.  Especially with Rogers' penchant for running.  Hopefully they can get out to an early lead and work to keep the pressure off of him.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 24, 2011, 01:34 PM
I wouldn't call them dirty, but rather a tough defense.  I think the NFL has been way too quick to fine a lot of guys this year for just hitting hard.

For crying out,loud...this isn't flag football!
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Jesse James on November 24, 2011, 02:29 PM
I wouldn't call them dirty, but rather a tough defense.  I think the NFL has been way too quick to fine a lot of guys this year for just hitting hard.

For crying out,loud...this isn't flag football!

Seconded...  And they've been incredibly inconsistant about it as well.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: McMetal on November 24, 2011, 06:23 PM
After seeing that disgusting display by that POS Suh today, I don't say how anyone can not say they aren't dirty. That was dirty, cheap, and complete garbage.

EXACT same thing as Haynesworth stomping Gurode, minus the stiches.

Punk ass bitch.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Jesse James on November 24, 2011, 08:38 PM
Now that was dirty.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Rob on November 24, 2011, 09:06 PM
EXACT same thing as Haynesworth stomping Gurode, minus the stiches.

But with the added bonus of slamming the guy's head into the ground a few times.  I wanted Suh to end up in Tampa pretty badly, but he arguably took his team right out of the game today.  The worst part about his dirty play is the I'm innocent routine he gives after every shining example.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on November 24, 2011, 09:32 PM
I think the game was out of hand before Suh's antics.  That was crazy stuff - I can't remember the last time I saw someone ejected from a game.  I haven't seen the Lions play much before today, but I can see why they're getting a bad rap with crap like that.  I'm glad he got called on it and got ejected versus just a fine or a flag - maybe that's enough to get through to him. 

And the Packers are STILL undefeated.  Unbelievable.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: P-Siddy on November 24, 2011, 11:37 PM
The worst part about his dirty play is the I'm innocent routine he gives after every shining example.

And then he goes and says that the Man Above knows he's not guilty. Seriously? I guess he wants the headines like Tebow does, but I guess he should be doing kind things and not stomping on arms and slamming heads to the turf wishing harm on an opponent.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 25, 2011, 12:51 AM
I'm not going to rush to Suh's defense here, but if you look at the the entire play, he was bent backwards, and that's a dirty tacticto take a defensive player out of the game.  The stomp happened after he was walking away, and I can understand emotions running a little high.

That being said, the money he's making, he knows he needs to be on the field and should be professional and just walk away.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on November 25, 2011, 01:58 AM
I'm not going to rush to Suh's defense here, but if you look at the the entire play, he was bent backwards, and that's a dirty tacticto take a defensive player out of the game.  The stomp happened after he was walking away, and I can understand emotions running a little high.

You're kidding right?  Watch the play again on Youtube.  He is shoving a guys head into the turf repeatedly.  Then when he's finally moving away he ALSO stomps the guy in the chest/arm.  I don't care who he is or what happened before that or during the play (though I didn't see anything that the PAckers did to him), that's ridiculous behavior for a 5yr old let alone a professional football player.  I'd even be willing to give him a break if this was a first time thing, but the guy was already being credited as the leagues dirtiest player prior to the game.

Just read his post-game response to the incident.  Suh claims he was just trying to stand up and others were pushing him, that's why it looked like he was pushing a helmet down.  He has no clue.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Rob on November 25, 2011, 02:06 AM
I'm not going to rush to Suh's defense here, but if you look at the the entire play, he was bent backwards, and that's a dirty tacticto take a defensive player out of the game.  The stomp happened after he was walking away, and I can understand emotions running a little high.

That being said, the money he's making, he knows he needs to be on the field and should be professional and just walk away.

Eh... guys get contorted all the time in piles and they get stuck under players and bent backwards frequently, and it's rarely on purpose.  Slamming a guy's head into the ground then stomping on him for good measure on the other hand is intentional.  Suh's been in the league less than two seasons and has a hefty resume of dirty plays.  He's earned the reputation.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Paul on November 27, 2011, 08:18 AM
Suh's antics and post game "excuse" are laughable. 

Somewhere James Harrison is happy... Roger Goddell has a new "Target".

Sorry I am late to the dog pile...
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Rob on November 27, 2011, 02:45 PM
Sorry I am late to the dog pile...

Kinda like Suh, but he wouldn't have apologized.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 28, 2011, 03:08 AM
So do you think Suh will be suspended for one or two games?  I was working most of the afternoon and didn't hear anything.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on November 28, 2011, 09:23 AM
So do you think Suh will be suspended for one or two games?  I was working most of the afternoon and didn't hear anything.

Hopefully 2 games or more.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Jesse James on November 28, 2011, 01:55 PM
I'd think 2.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Rob on November 28, 2011, 03:58 PM
It'll probably be 2.

That said, Albert Haynesworth got a 5 game suspension a few years ago for doing basically the same thing.  So, I think the precedent is set and if Goodell is consistent at all, Suh should get 5 games.

Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Jesse James on November 28, 2011, 04:35 PM
So, I think the precedent is set and if Goodell is consistent at all

 :D
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Rob on November 28, 2011, 05:23 PM
So, I think the precedent is set and if Goodell is consistent at all

 :D

Is that the face that James Harrison is making with all this negative attention being heaped on someone else? 
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Jesse James on November 28, 2011, 07:44 PM
I don't think he minds it for sure, but it's more to laugh at the thought of Goodell being anything remotely akin to consistant.  Especially considering had this actually been Harrison we were talking about, he'd probably see far more than 2 games...  Then again he doesn't stomp on people's arms, he just plays hard defense and criticizes the league for its obvious flaws like consistancy in discipline, and too much power being in one ego-maniac's hands.

The NFL could really take a page from the NHL on handing out discipline.  At least they explain (now) why they came to whatever conclusion they did.  It would go a long way to showing that you came to a conclusion rationally instead of knee-jerk, or for PR reasons.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Scott on November 28, 2011, 10:34 PM
I lost all respect for Goodell when his entire family showed up for the Pats v Giants Super Bowl in Giants garb (guess who won)
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: P-Siddy on November 29, 2011, 10:43 AM
Looks like 2 games for Suh.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: McMetal on November 29, 2011, 11:29 AM
Next development will be telling...if he's sincere about wanting to be a better player and person, he'll take the 2 games and shut up.

If he's a typical hypocritical dbag, he will appeal it.

Good luck against the Saints!
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Rob on November 29, 2011, 11:57 PM
He's appealing.  But we already knew that he is a douche bag.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: P-Siddy on November 30, 2011, 08:07 AM
Pfft. Yeah, db. I think they should drop the bomb on him for even thinking of appealing. They don't need guys like this in football. Take away his money for the rest of the season (maybe indefinitely). I just think they need to start thinking zero tolerance on guys like this.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on November 30, 2011, 11:52 PM
I think he's going to feel the pain the rest of the season.  The other side of the line now knows they can easily set him off and get him to draw some penalties, so they're going to be all over him even when he does get back to the field. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Jayson on December 1, 2011, 02:16 PM
Another failed Vikings experiement (http://www.kare11.com/news/article/949330/391/Sources-Vikings-to-release-McNabb)
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Rob on December 1, 2011, 02:49 PM
He'll be a Bear by tomorrow.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: GrandMoffNick on December 1, 2011, 03:01 PM
I think that would be hilarious. If teams think you're so bad they will let you go and end up on a team in the same division twice. Ha ha.

Now that I'm done laughing. I'm crying. Why did the Vikings sign him?
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on December 1, 2011, 03:15 PM
Pretty good track record for the Vikes.  Who are they going to go after next year?  They tried a WR and QB...maybe Brian Westbrook?  He's got to be worth a few early draft picks. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: McMetal on December 1, 2011, 05:20 PM
LOL, the fact the Skins even got a draft pick for him is freaking amazing. Nice job, Bruce!
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: P-Siddy on December 1, 2011, 05:42 PM
Pretty good track record for the Vikes.  Who are they going to go after next year?  They tried a WR and QB...maybe Brian Westbrook?  He's got to be worth a few early draft picks.

Two former Eagles in a row?

Nah, we gotta get the old guys: Favre, McNabb, who's close to retiring? Maybe Kurt Warner could come out of retirement?
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on December 1, 2011, 06:21 PM
I would say Peyton Manning, but he's probably still got some gas left in the tank.

I think the Vikes will be happy with Ponder for the near future, so if they want to continue the trend, it has to be at another position.  Maybe they can spend a few picks to get Chester Taylor back?
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: P-Siddy on December 1, 2011, 06:31 PM
I would say Peyton Manning, but he's probably still got some gas left in the tank.

I think the Vikes will be happy with Ponder for the near future, so if they want to continue the trend, it has to be at another position.  Maybe they can spend a few picks to get Chester Taylor back?

Yeah, I thought about Peyton, but I agree, he's got some time before going to the farm. I don't know the Vikings well enough this year to know what to do. Being in exile doesn't help when your only choices are the Jets, Giants, Bills and Pats. It does look like Jared Allen is doing better than last year getting to QBs... at least from the games in which I've seen him play.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: P-Siddy on December 4, 2011, 08:12 PM
Congrats on the Pack on another win. The NFC East has an 0-4 weekend. Vikings looked decent for once.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Matt_Fury on December 5, 2011, 12:19 AM
I saw the game (I do live in Broncos Country afterall) and whoever was calling the plays needs a swift kick in the ass.  They kept trying to do the same thing over and over.  Tebow doesn't have the arm of an Eli Manning or a Tom Brady...stop trying to have him throw it all the way down the field.  Establish a good run game (easy enough with Moreno and Tebow) then set up play action and screens.

Shore up the defense a bit, and the Broncos could win the division.


lol

You were saying?   :D

As far as the Giants vs Packers.  Giants played a hell of a game (I could only watch ply-by-play online so didn't see the actual game).  If the giants win out the rest of their season (beat the Cowboys twice, Jets on Christmas Eve, and the Redskins), they would most likely win the division and the get into the playoffs.

New Orleans seems impossible to beat at home, but I would bet that the Giants could beat the Packers if they played again.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: ruiner on December 5, 2011, 09:40 AM
I'll admit when it's time to eat crow!

I guess you can never underestimate the power of Jebus.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on December 6, 2011, 11:17 PM
Can't believe there isn't more talk about the Packers going undefeated this season.  The Giants were the only tough team left on the schedule...should be a cakewalk from here on out.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: P-Siddy on December 6, 2011, 11:51 PM
Can't believe there isn't more talk about the Packers going undefeated this season.  The Giants were the only tough team left on the schedule...should be a cakewalk from here on out.

Don't want to jinx it for ya.  ;)
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Matt_Fury on December 6, 2011, 11:58 PM
Can't believe there isn't more talk about the Packers going undefeated this season.  The Giants were the only tough team left on the schedule...should be a cakewalk from here on out.

The Packers are going to lose a game at some point, either in the regular season or the play-offs.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on December 7, 2011, 07:29 AM
Can't believe there isn't more talk about the Packers going undefeated this season.  The Giants were the only tough team left on the schedule...should be a cakewalk from here on out.

The Packers are going to lose a game at some point, either in the regular season or the play-offs.

I think they will lose a game too.  Next season.  ;)
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: ruiner on December 7, 2011, 09:25 AM
Who's gonna beat them?
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: P-Siddy on December 7, 2011, 09:39 AM
Who's gonna beat them?

The Colts on their one good day. (yeah, tough when their not even in the same conference). Maybe I should say Vikings.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: GrandMoffNick on December 8, 2011, 11:57 AM
Can't believe there isn't more talk about the Packers going undefeated this season.  The Giants were the only tough team left on the schedule...should be a cakewalk from here on out.

Never heard of them.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Rob on December 8, 2011, 12:27 PM
Yeah, the Packers are just flying under the radar... no national respect... why won't anyone take them seriously!?
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Paul on December 8, 2011, 12:43 PM
Yeah, the Packers are just flying under the radar... no national respect... why won't anyone take them seriously!?

Maybe if their QB would do a commercial or two people would know more about them.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Corman on December 8, 2011, 04:16 PM
Yeah, the Packers are just flying under the radar... no national respect... why won't anyone take them seriously!?

Maybe if their QB would do a commercial or two people would know more about them.

Or if their stud defensive guy could catch a wussy wimpy bleachblonde Bears fan in a Fathead ad people would know more about them
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Diddly on December 8, 2011, 10:38 PM
Why would you want talk about the Packers when you could talk about Tim Tebow? (http://deadspin.com/5866144/every-tebow-uttered-on-espns-tebowcenter-today)
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: GrandMoffNick on December 9, 2011, 02:28 PM
I know some of you won't agree, but how big of a moronic/dirty player is James Harrison. I wish he would have followed through on his threat from a few years back and stopped playing in the NFL.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Jesse James on December 9, 2011, 02:50 PM
Considering he and McCoy were "buddy buddy" afterwards, I think you're probably missing something Nick, but your'e right, some of us won't agree.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on December 9, 2011, 05:03 PM
I know some of you won't agree, but how big of a moronic/dirty player is James Harrison. I wish he would have followed through on his threat from a few years back and stopped playing in the NFL.

Given the number of fines he's accumulated, I'd have to agree.  He's certainly an effective guy to have on your defense I guess, but he's right up with Suh in my opinion.  I'd back this Skikola guy's opinion of him...

http://phantasytour.com/bands/1/topics/2930082/posts?page=1

Football is naturally a violent sport, but there is a clear difference between the guys trying to stop their opponent and the guys trying to dismember their opponent. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: P-Siddy on December 11, 2011, 07:53 PM
Did the Raiders play today? I must have missed them. Saw the Packers though.

And I guess Denver can only play in the fourth quarter/overtime.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on December 12, 2011, 08:06 AM
Tebow just needs time to warm up.  About 50 minutes or so apparenly.  I still can't figure out how he keeps winning.  At 7-1, I'm not ready to rule out devine intervention.

The Packers are one notch closer to a perfect season.  Sucks to lose Jennings in a fairly meaningless game though. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: P-Siddy on December 12, 2011, 09:10 AM
Sucks to lose Jennings in a fairly meaningless game though.

I was wondering why McCarthy kept Rodgers and the starters for as long as they did. They were up 30+ at the end of the half , so they really didn't need to keep them in... unless they were trying to pad their fantasy football stats.

Not that I care about either team (though one's local) since I'm an Eagles fan, but I'm glad the Giants came back and won that (can't believe I said that). But any time the Cowgirls get beat is a happy day.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on December 12, 2011, 09:25 AM
Pulling them at halftime would be a little early in my opinion.  Unlikely that the Raiders come back at that point, but pretty tough to sit your starters with half a game to go, especially when a lot of them have incentive based contracts.  He sat Rodgers and others late in the 3rd quarter, which seemed about right to me.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: P-Siddy on December 12, 2011, 10:24 AM
I totally understand, but I think if they'd prefer these guys to look at the big picture and not risk losing Rodgers or other players to injury in a 'meaningless game' so close to playoffs.

But yeah, it would suck to pay good money to see a game and have the stars pulled early.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on December 12, 2011, 02:23 PM
I totally understand, but I think if they'd prefer these guys to look at the big picture and not risk losing Rodgers or other players to injury in a 'meaningless game' so close to playoffs.

But yeah, it would suck to pay good money to see a game and have the stars pulled early.

I think we're saying pretty much the same thing - I just don't think the big names should be pulled any earlier than they were on Sunday.  You want to keep these guys fresh and motivated - pulling players at half time would be a big demotivator for me as a player unless the score was absolutely crazy.  I'll give you that 31-0 is 4 scores and a tough rebound, but not impossible with half a game yet to play.  And imagine if they put Flynn in and he got sacked/fumbled/intercepted 3-4 times...suddenly the Raiders are right back in it.  Not too hard to believe given that one of Flynn's first plays when he took over was a safety. 

I am totally against resting the starters if they have things locked up in the final weeks.  Bench them half way through the third quarter?  Sure, that's fine.  But I am a firm believer that if you give guys too much time off, then they're not going to be able to perform as well when they really need to.  The Packers will already get a bye in the playoffs and homefield advantage throughout, so I'd want to see those guys out there playing as much as they can over the next month to stay fresh.  The perfect season would be pretty amazing too.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: GrandMoffNick on December 12, 2011, 02:38 PM
Midway through the third quarter is the soonest I think you pull guys. I agree with Justin. The last thing you want is your guys loosing that competitive edge in the playoffs because you sat them so much the last month of the regular season.

With that being said in this particular case with the Packers I'd say sit Rodgers the rest of the season including the playoffs so he is rested for next season.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on December 12, 2011, 04:30 PM
With that being said in this particular case with the Packers I'd say sit Rodgers the rest of the season including the playoffs so he is rested for next season.

 ;D  I knew there was one loyal Viking fan still out there.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Rob on December 12, 2011, 06:39 PM
I'd say rest them if you don't have the bye... but if you rest them a game or two, and then also have the bye, you'll be letting the rust pile up on your well oiled machine.

I think they need to go for it the rest of the regular season.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 12, 2011, 10:01 PM
Rodgers is one of those guys like Peyton, whoever is on the field playing WR will become a star with Rodgers throwing him the ball.

I think the Packers will be basically okay without Jennings.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on December 12, 2011, 11:26 PM
Worst Monday Night Game Ever.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Diddly on December 13, 2011, 12:01 AM
Most Monday night games usually suck anyway
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on December 13, 2011, 09:41 AM
Most Monday night games usually suck anyway

True that lately.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: GrandMoffNick on December 13, 2011, 02:31 PM
With that being said in this particular case with the Packers I'd say sit Rodgers the rest of the season including the playoffs so he is rested for next season.

 ;D  I knew there was one loyal Viking fan still out there.

Double Whammy for me. I'm a Vikings fan so the Packers doing this sucks. And I'm a Patriots fan so I have to deal with the fact the Packers actually might finish their perfect season off (or some jacka$% might catch the ball with his helmet in the Super Bowl and ruin it for them too) and Rodgers is getting closer to Brady's TD record.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Rob on December 13, 2011, 02:42 PM
Rodgers is one of those guys like Peyton, whoever is on the field playing WR will become a star with Rodgers throwing him the ball.

I think the Packers will be basically okay without Jennings.

Yup.  Especially since it sounds like they'll have him back for the Playoffs. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Jeff on December 13, 2011, 02:43 PM
I know some of you won't agree, but how big of a moronic/dirty player is James Harrison.

your'e right, some of us won't agree.

Looks like Goodell agrees with Nick and not JD's resident Steelers apologist/homer.  :-X
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Jesse James on December 13, 2011, 03:24 PM
I'd not put a lot of stock in anything Goodell does or says though, myself, considering his utter lack of consistancy (and a complete lack of oversight). But I do think some form of punishment was needed (never said no to that).  I think Harrison's changed his game a LOT this year, but I don't think he was intending to hurt McCoy there, and that (should) be taken into consideration.  But the responsibility is on him there, not McCoy at all, I guess, and so you have to adjust or face punishment.

If QB's can leave the pocket though, run, tilt their heads forward while staring at their tackler, and still be considered "vulnerable players", then I guess that's the way it goes.  They need to adjust some rules then on QB's scrambling and getting protection though, outside of the pocket...  That'd be just as nice for the Steelers too since that seems to be one of those things that works for some, and not others.  ;)  Or whatever the whim of the week is with the NFL.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Rob on December 13, 2011, 03:42 PM
"We're disappointed for James because we know how hard he's worked to play within the rules," Tomlin said. "We accept the judgment rendered by the league office and we'll move forward."


Why is it that this is such a massive, reoccurring problem for James Harrison, and such a non-issue for almost everyone else?
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Jesse James on December 13, 2011, 04:03 PM
I don't really believe in conspiracy theories, so I won't say they're targeting him.  I refuse to believe that, even if Harrison does.  Ryan Clark made a stink about that after the last game with the Ravens, and a fine he received, and I just don't believe that.

A bad call?  A poor judgment of the play?  Not taking into account the game and it's speed?  I believe those are possible.

At the same time, I'd like to see it out of pretty much the exclusive hands of Goodell, and I'd like to see the NFL do public explanations of why things were decided as they were (ala the NHL) and what factors went into the decision (from all aspects).  To me, the NFL's punishment process is a joke.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on December 13, 2011, 05:54 PM
At the same time, I'd like to see it out of pretty much the exclusive hands of Goodell, and I'd like to see the NFL do public explanations of why things were decided as they were (ala the NHL) and what factors went into the decision (from all aspects).  To me, the NFL's punishment process is a joke.

What more do you want explained?  He led with his helmet into McCoy and the following week he's suspended for a game.  Seems pretty clear to me.  Besides, I'm trying to think of some other venue, be it sports related or not, where the head of management needs to offer up a lengthy explanation of his considerations and decisions to the public.  I don't follow the NHL, so maybe that's a good example.  Coaches and team owners don't do that though, nor would I expect them too.  If someone at your company did something that got him fired or suspended, would the president or CEO come out with a detailed explanation of all the factors that went into their decision?  Kinda doubt it.  I think as the head guy, Goodell has the right to distribute punishments and fines based on what he sees as misconduct and I seriously doubt that he is doing that independent of anyone else's input.  I really don't don't see any lack of consistency in the punishments either - do you have examples of where others were treated differently?

I get that it's hard to see your favorite team in a bad light, but do you really think him lowering his head into McCoy was an okay move?  You're really playing up Harrison as a victim here.  Yes QBs can leave the pocket, but have you ever seen a QB moving fast enough and hard enough to level a linebacker?  These aren't arbitrary rules - they are meant to try to limit the risk of serious injuries.  This was Harrison's 5th illegal hit on a QB in the last three seasons and he's been fined at least two more times for unnecessary roughness.   And you can bet those weren't the only illegal hits he has made.  When there is a pattern of repetitive behavior that is endangering others, then you've got to do something to send a message that it won't be tolerated.  If anything, I think the suspensions and fines should be even higher than what's being dished out.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Jesse James on December 13, 2011, 07:54 PM
Like I said, Harrison felt he left the pocket, McCoy was running, and is an open man for a tackle...  I feel the penalty should've been a fine and NOT a suspension because I feel McCoy A) put himself into a bad position as a QB, B) was lowering his head when he clearly was watching the hit coming at him, C) threw the ball after he'd tucked it and ran, forcing Harrison to make that split-second decision on the field...  If anything I think Harrison actually was rethinking making the hit because of McCoy (at the last second) going to throw the ball and THAT was the result of the helmet-to-helmet...  That's my take.  Then again I've been reading so much about this that is making both arguments that I see the other side of it too, and Harrison led with his head, which is where I think the fine's justifiable.  He did, but I just wonder if McCoy's decisions didn't contribute to the end result of helmet-to-helmet, and that's my argument that these things aren't even remotely looked into, they're just decided without any explanation.

Now, if complete onus of the situation rests on the shoulders of the hitter and not the ball carrier, then so be it.  But I think you need to then make that more clear and deal with the repurcussions from the defensive players who aren't going to like it that you're further giving room to QB's and Receivers and making those incredibly fast decisions in a game rest solely on the shoulders of the tackler... 

Don't get me wrong though, I completely do not feel Harrison is a victim here...  He's not hurting really, and it's a privilege to play at that level so I feel it's his job to adjust his game with the rules, but this year he largely has too.  It's disappointing to see any progress wiped away now for him in that regard.

As far as the "employee/employer" analogy, I think that's about as similar as your "Harrison is as dirty as a guy that stomped on another guy's arm after a play is whistled dead" analogy Justin. :)  I just don't find it honest or accurate.  I didn't think he had intent to harm McCoy, but that's my opinion on it.

The NHL's system is pretty simple really, and isn't really as much for the player (who knows what is said/shown to them in private to explain why they're being punished) as it is for the public/media. 

A decision is formed on a questionable situation, and a ruling is handed down.  The ruling has a video where Brendan Shanahan (who heads up, but does not solely control the process) explains to the players, fans, and media, how they came to their conclusion, including replay of the footage and all factors they brought into their decision (Intent, the way the rule's written, what the offending player did/didn't do, what the other player did/didn't do, etc., etc.).  It's come about because of criticism of the way punishments were handed down, and consistency with it league-wide.  It's considered a pretty great improvement to that sport.  I think it would be good with football.  It may even help other players too, or guys like Harrison, who either don't get it, or don't care, or whatever.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 13, 2011, 08:13 PM
Worst Monday Night Game Ever.

That's funny.  The last time I said that was like 5 years ago, it was also the Seahawks.  And the Raiders.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on December 13, 2011, 10:04 PM
As far as the "employee/employer" analogy, I think that's about as similar as your "Harrison is as dirty as a guy that stomped on another guy's arm after a play is whistled dead" analogy Justin. :)  I just don't find it honest or accurate.  I didn't think he had intent to harm McCoy, but that's my opinion on it.

I'll eat some crow on that and admit that comparison was wrong.  Suh is definitely worse.  He just has complete disrespect for anyone else and wants to shove it to them whenever he gets a chance.  He's the kind of guy that would hit you when your back is turned and I can't see Harrison doing that. 

That said,  I do think Harrison plays dirty.  He won't stomp your head after the play, but he is trying to hurt you as bad as he can with every hit.  Like I said before, there is a big difference between trying to stop someone versus trying to take them out.  There's just no reason to lower your head even if the QB is out of the pocket - he could easily wrap McCoy up and bring him down without head butting him.  There's a history of behavior here that can't be chalked up to coincidence or bad luck, so I'm not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.  I'm sure some of that probably factored into the punishment as well.

As for the explanation, I stand by the work analogy.  Why should the NFL be any different?  I don't think they owe the public any kind of explanation for what they want to do as far as punishments go.  Interesting to hear how the NHL does things, but I think the message being sent in this case is pretty clear.  If you're a defensive player leading with your helmet, the NFL thinks that's dangerous enough to suspend you, so don't do it.  Message received.  ;)
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Jesse James on December 13, 2011, 10:57 PM
That's cool Justin, and while I don't agree with "dirty" for him, I will agree with let's say "ruthless"?  Maybe not respectful of others is the best way to put it...  I reserve "dirty" for the guy who does **** after the whistle.  But I see your point on that too.

To me, "dirty" implies he's TRYING to hurt people, and I don't believe that...  I think he's trying to play hard, and play as he feels he has been taught, and I think it's biting him in the ass because he's having a hard time (or not willing to?  I'm not in his head either way to know I guess) adjusting to the league's rule changes.  People here were trying to argue it's his height or whatnot...  I disagree.  He isn't changing technique and it's killing him financially and now on the field.  Time for him to change, regardless how anyone feels from either side, or he'll be a detriment at this point to whatever team he's on. 

You have to count on a guy, especially at that position, every week.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 14, 2011, 09:51 AM

To me, "dirty" implies he's TRYING to hurt people, and I don't believe that... 


Jesse with all due respect, if you think Harrison wasn't trying to hurt Colt McCoy on that hit, you need to visit the optometrist.

I think Harrison's changed his game a LOT this year, but I don't think he was intending to hurt McCoy there, and that (should) be taken into consideration. 

Then what is he "intending" to do when he smashes someone in the head as hard as he possibly can, rather than wrap him up?  James Harrison tried to decapitate Colt McCoy and nearly succeeded.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Rob on December 14, 2011, 11:06 AM
As for the explanation, I stand by the work analogy.  Why should the NFL be any different?  I don't think they owe the public any kind of explanation for what they want to do as far as punishments go.  Interesting to hear how the NHL does things, but I think the message being sent in this case is pretty clear.  If you're a defensive player leading with your helmet, the NFL thinks that's dangerous enough to suspend you, so don't do it.  Message received

I saw one of the talking heads last night talking about what a travesty this was, about how James Harrison's job was to get to the quarterback and to hit the quarterback.

Yeah, it is... but that guy didn't mention that a very clear part of his job description is to hit the quarterback without using his helmet as the tip of the spear.  End of story. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Jesse James on December 18, 2011, 05:50 PM
Wow.  Just...  Wow.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: P-Siddy on December 18, 2011, 06:44 PM
Wow.  Just...  Wow.

I know. This is bizarro week. The Pack lose, Redskins and Indy win...
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Matt_Fury on December 18, 2011, 07:52 PM
Can't believe there isn't more talk about the Packers going undefeated this season.  The Giants were the only tough team left on the schedule...should be a cakewalk from here on out.

The Packers are going to lose a game at some point, either in the regular season or the play-offs.

I think they will lose a game too.  Next season.  ;)

I thought their loss would've been in the playoffs.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on December 19, 2011, 09:35 AM
Can't believe there isn't more talk about the Packers going undefeated this season.  The Giants were the only tough team left on the schedule...should be a cakewalk from here on out.

The Packers are going to lose a game at some point, either in the regular season or the play-offs.

I think they will lose a game too.  Next season.  ;)

I thought their loss would've been in the playoffs.

Luckily you've only predicted the one loss, so they should be perfect from here on out.   ;)
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: GrandMoffNick on December 22, 2011, 11:39 AM
Four more ex NFL players suing the league. The concussions they got while playing in the NFL have left them with lingering medical issues. Gee I wonder why the league wants to limit the way and when and etc. you can hit guys?
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Diddly on December 23, 2011, 01:43 AM
Goddammit Houston
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: GrandMoffNick on December 23, 2011, 08:59 AM
GO RAMS AND COLTS. Let's keep losing Vikes.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: McMetal on December 23, 2011, 09:23 AM
I know. This is bizarro week. Redskins and Indy win...

Ugh, let's be fair, the Skins are nowhere near as bad as Indy, although they do share the same glaring problem - QB play.

If Shanny gets Griffin, Moore, Barclay or Luck in the draft this year - watch out!
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on December 26, 2011, 09:47 AM
GO RAMS AND COLTS. Let's keep losing Vikes.

Man, even when the Vikes win they really lose.  They win a meaningless game, but lose Peterson and Ponder to injuries, as well as getting knocked out of the Luck sweepstakes.   :-\
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Sybeck1 on December 29, 2011, 10:00 PM
I know. This is bizarro week. Redskins and Indy win...

Ugh, let's be fair, the Skins are nowhere near as bad as Indy, although they do share the same glaring problem - QB play.

If Shanny gets Griffin, Moore, Barclay or Luck in the draft this year - watch out!

As a Redskins fan watching the alamo bowl, I would be all for griffin
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: McMetal on December 30, 2011, 08:57 AM
As a Redskins fan watching the alamo bowl, I would be all for griffin

Yeah, that was the one bowl game so far I have really made a point to watch, for that very reason. The game was fabulous but not so much a showcase for RGIII's skill set. But why throw the ball when you have THREE guys run for over 100 yards in the game? That was redonkulous!

No doubt, you can see what Shanny likes in the guy. Decisive, mobile, quick release. I don't know about his footwork or arm strength, but he has at least as much upside as Schaub did before Kyle got ahold of him.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: CHEWIE on January 9, 2012, 10:36 AM
In my FFL league this year, I did not do so hot.  Came in 4th out of 8 teams... but in a pool that I am in, came in first ouf of 30 people - won some decent money, which was great especially to get the money right after Christmas.  Just used it to pay down some bills.

So far I'd be 4-0 in the playoffs if not for what Tebow and the Broncos did yesterday to the Steelers.  I'm assuming that will be considered the "upset" of the playoffs this year, and I think a healtheir Steelers team would have probably come out on top. 

I think New England will be going to the dance this year, but Green Bay/New Orleans... I think that's the flip of a coin.  It's also hard to count out the Giants and San Francisco.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on January 9, 2012, 12:36 PM
Congrats Chewie!  I ended up losing in the JD Superbowl (congrats again Rob), but did make it to the big game in 3 more leagues and pulled out wins in two of them.  My winnings will be just a little more than what I need to cover my master case of Kubrick Deluxe S4, so defintiely came at a good time.  ;D

As for the NFL playoffs, I did not see Denver beating Pittsburgh.  Even at the very end I thought the Steelers would find a way to win it.  Surprised to see the awful showing from the Falcons as well.  I don't get why they went for it on 4th down both times - better to get some offesnive points up on the board IMO.  The Saints and Texans were no surprise.  I'm not a big Lions fan, but I wish Calvin Johnson and Matt Stafford had the chance to win a playoff game.  Hard to see a guy who is arguably the best at his position not ever get close to the big dance.  Same goes for Tony Gonzales.

I think the Superbowl will be Green Bay and Baltimore.  The Saints have to go on the road for all their games and should be a little worn out when they reach frosty Lambeau.  I don't think San Fran can muster enough offense to stop them and they're designed to stop the run, not the pass.  I am a little worried about the Giants vs. Packers this week though...New york looks hungry.   If the Pack doesn't get out to an early lead they may be in trouble.  I don't think Denver or Houston will progress, but I do think the Ravens can beat the Pats with Ray Rice in stride and their defense (sorry Nick).  We'll see...
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Rob on January 9, 2012, 01:45 PM
I think the Superbowl will be Green Bay and Baltimore.  The Saints have to go on the road for all their games and should be a little worn out when they reach frosty Lambeau. 

Lambeau isn't so frosty this year.  I was up in Door County at New Year's and it was mid 30's.  The weather is starting to get absurd this year... it was 55 here on Friday.  Still 2 weeks to go... but it's insanely warm.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on January 9, 2012, 04:26 PM
True.  I am hoping for colder weather by the time they play.  Hopefully some combination of that, playing on the road, and the Wisconsin crowd can keep them off balance.  The Saints have looked pretty unstoppable the past few weeks and it's not like the Packers are going to suddenly improve their defense.  Best case scenario is the 49ers take care of them. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Scott on January 9, 2012, 04:36 PM
True.  I am hoping for colder weather by the time they play.  Hopefully some combination of that, playing on the road, and the Wisconsin crowd can keep them off balance.  The Saints have looked pretty unstoppable the past few weeks and it's not like the Packers are going to suddenly improve their defense.  Best case scenario is the 49ers take care of them.
I agree with you Justin on the Giants...I'd be a little worried.  I still think the Pack should repeat, no reason to think they won't.  Both the Giants and Saints brought them right to the brink this year...should be fun.

I am totally not sold on teh 49ers...I have only seen them play once (the MNF game against Pitt) so not sure how they really stack up.  I hear they have this stellar D but I think the Pats, Pack and Saints have proven that D no longer matters in this game.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Rob on January 9, 2012, 04:48 PM
Schottenheimer is interviewing with the Bucs.  Of all the names mentioned so far (Wade Phillips, Brad Childress, Mike Sherman) he'd be my choice.  The Bucs are so terrible and undisciplined, they need a kick in the ass of epic proportions, and Shotty's the guy who can do that as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Scott on January 9, 2012, 05:21 PM
I'd run screaming from those other three guys...yuck
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Rob on January 9, 2012, 05:54 PM
Yeah, me too.  Rumor was that Childress was as OC, which I don't think would be terrible, but none of those three inspire me on iota.

That said, when you just fired Raheem Morris after a 4-12 season, just about anyone looks like an upgrade.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 9, 2012, 08:02 PM
This week is going to be interesting.  I don't think any team can be counted out at this point.  The Broncos can win as long as they don't have a disastrous second quarter like they did the last time against the Pats.  The Packers only beat the Giants by a field goal last time, and not the Giants Defense is healthy and they are clicking.  The Saints look good, but they have a bad habit of not playing all that great on the West coast and outside...bit of a double whammy for them in San Fransisco.

Houston looked really good against the Bengals, I don't know if they can get past the Ravens, but if I were putting money on the game, I'd probably go with Houston and the points if the spread's more than 7 points.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Jeff on January 10, 2012, 11:53 AM
I'm not a big Packers fan, but what a bummer of a way to kick off the week for the coaching staff.  Hate to see them heading into their first playoff game with something like that hanging over their heads.  :-\
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on January 10, 2012, 02:08 PM
I'm not a big Packers fan, but what a bummer of a way to kick off the week for the coaching staff.  Hate to see them heading into their first playoff game with something like that hanging over their heads.  :-\

It kind of puts things like sports in perspective doesn't it?  Pretty terrible news for the OC and his family.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 15, 2012, 08:40 PM
The Giants just beat out a great Packer team and some of the worst officiating I've seen in an NFL game!
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: I Am Sith on January 15, 2012, 08:59 PM
...and some of the worst officiating I've seen in an NFL game!

My favorite was the 'blow to the head' that never actually happened.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: John C on January 16, 2012, 05:07 AM
The Packers were not great, their defense is terrible but their offense is damn good.  The Giants have a great defense and the right kind to take down the Pack. Was not shocked they beat them, they always seem to come up big in games like this.  Beating NE in the SB and now this.  I think they can win it all. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: McMetal on January 16, 2012, 08:59 AM
Glad I wasted barely any time watching the games this weekend, every time I was rooting for lost.  >:(

Football in general has just been so unappealing this year. I really think this will be the first year in a decade or so I don't even watch the Super Bowl.


Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Rob on January 16, 2012, 09:24 AM
Rust.  I get that you want to avoid injuries, but I think that recent years have shown that teams that take more than one week off come playoff time lose their rhythm.  When I'm a head coach in the NFL (and Raheem Morris gave me hope that I might be qualified to be one), and my team earns a playoff bye, everyone plays until the end of week 17.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 16, 2012, 09:47 AM
I totally agree. Giving Rodgers two weeks off was a bad idea.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: P-Siddy on January 16, 2012, 09:52 AM
I totally agree. Giving Rodgers two weeks off was a bad idea.

Maybe, but some of his passes should have been caught, so it wasn't all on him.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 16, 2012, 10:14 AM
I totally agree. Giving Rodgers two weeks off was a bad idea.

Maybe, but some of his passes should have been caught, so it wasn't all on him.

It wasn't all on him for sure, but I still think he didn't look like the same "best season of all time for a quarterback" QB he was in the regular season. If you look back you'll see I was saying they should play starters into the 3rd quarter in all games and so to sit him week 17 was dumb in my opinion.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Nicklab on January 16, 2012, 10:24 AM
As a Giants fan, I feel a little sheepish for not having followed the team more in the regular season.  But having been on a night schedule I really haven't been able to watch the team much this season.  The one thing I felt really positive about is the Giants loss to the Packers a few weeks ago.  It wasn't a blowout, and the Giants kept it somewhat close.  And the old axiom of the NFL held true:  it's always tough to beat the same team twice in a season.  The Giants got hot at the right time and it's still going.

As for the Giants against San Francisco?  I still shudder to think of that playoff game from 2003 with the fake field goal that ended that game.  And that was the beginning of my hate/hate affair with Terrell Owens.  But that was a different team with a different coach, and the 49ers are totally different now, too.  That won't make next week any less tense.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 16, 2012, 11:17 AM
It's going to be a great game.  I have hope for the Giants since their regular season match up could have gone either way, and the Giants are playing much better now.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Rob on January 16, 2012, 01:24 PM
I totally agree. Giving Rodgers two weeks off was a bad idea.

Maybe, but some of his passes should have been caught, so it wasn't all on him.

Rusty receivers too - it was arguably more apparent with them.  Green Bay's WR's and TE's don't drop the passes they were dropping yesterday.

Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Jesse James on January 16, 2012, 02:29 PM
Looked like the NYG's played a pretty decent game too... just sayin'.   :-X
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Rob on January 16, 2012, 03:07 PM
Sure, but I think it's fair to say, and clear to observe that their job was made easier by a Packer's offense that was missing easy throws.  The Packers have given up points all year, but they also scored a ton.  Until now.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Scott on January 16, 2012, 03:32 PM
Having to live and work with Packer fans and having this huge rivalry makes you pay a little more attention than the average fan does...I have watched 7-8 games of theirs this year and I have said since week #1 against the Saints, their Defense is terrible and that there is NO way they can repeat unless they get better.  I don't blame anything on their offense (Other than the poruous O Line), their D was awful again...and they lost
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 16, 2012, 03:54 PM
The Packer offensive line did a decent job at holding back the Giants yesterday...for a while.  The Giants played a great game and minimized mistakes.  They are playing great football right now, but so are the 49'ers.  It's going to be a great game!
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Rob on January 16, 2012, 04:05 PM
Having to live and work with Packer fans and having this huge rivalry makes you pay a little more attention than the average fan does...I have watched 7-8 games of theirs this year and I have said since week #1 against the Saints, their Defense is terrible and that there is NO way they can repeat unless they get better.  I don't blame anything on their offense (Other than the poruous O Line), their D was awful again...and they lost

Don't disagree there.  Losing Nick Barnett turned out to be a bigger deal than they expected.  I'm sure they're going to go heavy on defense in the draft.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on January 16, 2012, 11:59 PM
Well, as the resident JD Packer fan, I'm only just now able to talk about the game.  I thought the whole team came out flat.  Rogers wasn't himself with a lot of throws off the mark.  His WR's had some easy drops as well, but the offense just wasn't clicking.  I thought the Giants did a great job of pressuring Rogers at times and Pierre-Paul took Jordy almost completely out of the mix, which was a really smart move.  Most of the passes went to Jennings instead, and he was obviously out of synch with Rogers after over a month apart.  They said he could have come back and played week 17 if needed - guess that would have been a pretty good idea in hindsight.  The turnovers didn't help much either.  I thought the defense played okay - nothing spectacular, but they held a dominating Giants team to just a handful of points up until the end there.  I wish they had put a little more pressure on Eli though - he had all day to throw.   Allowing that hail mary TD at the end of the half is unforgivable as well.

I'm going to put the blame on a triple combo platter:
1.) Rust for sure - Rogers never looked comfortable. Driver played well, but Jennings and Finley had a lot of mistakes and Jordy was nowhere to be found.
2.) Personal issues for the offensive coordinator.  I'm sure this was weighing on him and probably impacted the whole team.  The offense had just about their worst game of the season, so I don't think its a coincidence.
3.) Let's give some credit to the Giants defense.  Anyone can score on the pack, but I thought the G-Men did a solid job of covering the secondary and rattling Rogers.  They never gave up big plays and showed a lot of different looks.  And most importantly, that whole team looks hungry for a win.  I definitely did not see the Packers playing with that kind if intensity.

It's  going to be a long long off season after this one.  I will watch the Super Bowl, but no idea who I want to win at this point.

The only bright side for me is that I had Brady, Gronk, and Nicks in my fantasy playoff league, so I have something to play for this week. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: P-Siddy on January 22, 2012, 06:39 PM
Okay, Kristin Chenoweth did a hell of a lot better singing the National Anthem for the NFC Championships than Steven Tyler's massacre offkey version. But I guess comparing those two is like comparing apples to oranges.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: McMetal on January 22, 2012, 07:15 PM
Okay, Kristin Chenoweth did a hell of a lot better singing the National Anthem for the NFC Championships than Steven Tyler's massacre offkey version. But I guess comparing those two is like comparing apples to oranges.

Word. Miss Noodles is way hotter!
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: P-Siddy on January 22, 2012, 10:38 PM
Definitely rooting for the Giants in a couple weeks. I want to see a huge Super Bowl party while I'm living in New York... sure as hell ain't gonna happen in Minnesota anytime soon.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Scott on January 22, 2012, 10:54 PM
I don't really care who wins...I'll probably be rooting for the Patriots as I'm not really one of those "root for my conference" kind of guys...in fact I usually cheer for the AFC in the Super Bowl.  Some day Steve...some day!

Man what two epic choke jobs today.  That was Vikingesque
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on January 22, 2012, 11:14 PM
Well, both the teams I thought would win did, but not in the fashion I thought they would  Brady looked terrible today and the Giants did their best Tebow & the Broncos impression.  I will be rooting for the G-Men I guess.  That Packers loss will taste better if I know they lost to the eventual SB Champs.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 22, 2012, 11:21 PM
What a great defensive battle the NFC championship was!  I'm glad the Giants pulled out the win, but the Niners played a great game.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Diddly on January 23, 2012, 04:19 AM
Boo to two weeks of what is sure to be insufferable media coverage of Super Bowl XLVI: Super Bowl XLII 2: Super Bowl Harder.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 23, 2012, 07:35 AM
I have not been to a lot of NFL games.  What's a fair price for 2 average tickets to the Super Bowl in Indianapolis?  Mulling over hunting a pair down.

Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: McMetal on January 23, 2012, 09:03 AM
I'm out...a really sucky season capped off by a ridiculously sucky Super Bowl. I already watched this game 3 years ago! B-O-R-I-N-G

San Fran vs Baltimore would have been WAY more entertaining.

I guess it seems fitting though, I'm so over all of the teams that are good right now and would really prefer to see a new crop of teams at the top of the heap for awhile.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on January 23, 2012, 09:11 AM
I have not been to a lot of NFL games.  What's a fair price for 2 average tickets to the Super Bowl in Indianapolis?  Mulling over hunting a pair down.

Not sure, but I know Packers/Steelers tickets were around $3,000 last year.  That's silly money.

I'm not a big fan of the Patriots or Giants, but I'm glad they made it out of the final 4.  I find offenses more fun to watch, so this gives us the best chance of a shootout.  I could also do without 2 weeks of stories about how Ed Reed shattered Flacco's confidence.  And much as I'm impressed with how far the 49ers went, they're kind of boring to watch IMO.  Just like Denver:
 
Rush for a yard,
Incomplete pass,
Pass for 3yds,
Punt,
Rush for a yard,
Incomplete Pass,
50yd TD to V. Davis. 

2 big plays and 40 crap ones does not equal entertainment.   :P
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Diddly on January 23, 2012, 02:59 PM
Dressel, you may be looking at a few grand per ticket. Most Super Bowl tickets are basically reserved for media types and corporate big wigs, and it's pretty hard for average people/fans to get them, much less even afford them (one of the reasons the crowds are always so lethargic volume-wise). But if you're serious about going, best of luck searching for tickets.

As for the game, I like the Niners so I was obviously rooting for them, but you just can't stop teams that get hot at the right time (Giants). I'm not really excited about the Giants/Patriots again, but if I can accept an Alabama/LSU rematch for the College Championship, I can accept Giants/Pats 2. :P
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: TheSon on January 23, 2012, 06:31 PM
Depending on where you want to sit your price will vary. I don't know indy's seating capacity, but my dad and brother got tickets for around 1,500 per seat when the Steelers played the Cardinals. With new York and Boston being larger markets, I would guess the median price will be much more this year. If your goal is to go to a Super Bowl just to say you went to one, this is likely not the year to try.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 24, 2012, 12:24 AM
I was at Superbowl 25 when the Giants beat the Bills, working security in the VIP area....epic.

I saw people come out of there with stacks of tickets and scalping them like crazy.  They were going to upwards of a grand back in 1991.  You'd probably have to sell your entire SW collection now.

Great story from back then....I got to tell Jimmy Johnson to take a hike.   :D
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Jesse James on January 24, 2012, 12:54 AM
Did he just lower his head and ram past you with his titanium hair?  Or did he just force his way past you standing completely "erect", as it were?   :P
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Neal on January 24, 2012, 12:40 PM
A buddy of mine is a huge Giants fan and has season tickets.  He was looking at Super Bowl tickets and he said the cheapest in the stadium are $2,400 each.  Damn.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Scott on January 24, 2012, 12:56 PM
My boss and I were discussing the possibility of going to the Super Bowl when the Vikings were a FG away two years ago...I said I would never ever shell out that kind of cash for the game due to the possibility that they could potentially lose and I'd hate the fact of blowing $5000+ on that.  Call me an eternal pessimist!
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 24, 2012, 07:10 PM
Did he just lower his head and ram past you with his titanium hair?  Or did he just force his way past you standing completely "erect", as it were?   :P

He was really nice about it actually.  I couldn't let him into the VIP area without a special pass that he didn't have.  He tried to talk his way in at first and when I explained the situation to him, he just shrugged his shoulders, sais alright andd walked off.  More like stumbled a bit....it was obvious he had been partying in the NFC tent.

I also mt Mean-Joe Green and searched Tom Landry's Wife's purse.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Jesse James on January 24, 2012, 07:20 PM
I wouldn't have tried keepin' Mean Joe out.   :-X

Funny, and similar story...  My dad's buddy worked security at the Civic Arena here, as well as Heinz Field and PNC Park (less the latter).  One Monday night game at Heinz he was working and along comes a seemingly staggering Hank Williams Jr.  He wants up to the owners box area and stuff.  Dad's buddy asks to see his pass and he has none.  He says, "You know who I am?", and my dad's buddy says, "No, and without a pass I don't care who you think you are", and turns him away. :)

He got to work security for the higher ups at the stadiums/arena which always lead to cool stories.  He worked the elevator to Lemieux's owner's box at the Arena, and those were awesome stories.  He took me past it once just to see when I was up in corporate boxes nearby.  I'd hoped to ride up with him in the elevator, haha.

The Hank Williams Jr. story was the best though.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 24, 2012, 08:14 PM
A buddy of mine is a huge Giants fan and has season tickets.  He was looking at Super Bowl tickets and he said the cheapest in the stadium are $2,400 each.  Damn.

Yeah I'm not dropping $5K to be there live.  I'm a Giants fan.  But I'm not insane.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 25, 2012, 12:25 AM
I can put the two stadium seats we have from the original Mile High stadium in front of my 62" HDTV and not only have the in the stadium feel, but a better view.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Rob on January 26, 2012, 01:14 PM
Rutgers fans, tell me more about Greg Schiano.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Ryan on January 29, 2012, 02:11 PM
I can put the two stadium seats we have from the original Mile High stadium in front of my 62" HDTV and not only have the in the stadium feel, but a better view.

Can I come over to spill some beer on you and yell some drunken obscene comments at the TV? Just for that authentic stadium feel of course.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 29, 2012, 03:04 PM
Always welcome to visit.  But I'd prefer we not get beer on the carpet.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 3, 2012, 08:11 AM
Prediction:
Giants 31, Patriots 17

Hoping for:
Patriots 70, Giants 2
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: P-Siddy on February 3, 2012, 09:56 AM
Prediction:
Giants 31, Patriots 17

Hoping for:
Patriots 70, Giants 2

Wow! And this from a Pats fan?!  :o
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 3, 2012, 10:01 AM
Prediction:
Giants 31, Patriots 17

Hoping for:
Patriots 70, Giants 2

Wow! And this from a Pats fan?!  :o

I just see 2007 all over again except Mannings better and the Patriots defense isn't. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm ready for it this time unlike last time.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on February 3, 2012, 10:18 AM
I think the Giants are the better team going in, but anything can happen.  The Giants seemed to get stronger in the playoffs, while Brady and the pats seemed to be on the decline.  Gronk got hurt in that last game and Brady didn't throw for a single TD...that does not bode well for a well rested Giants defense.  I just hope its a close game either way and fun to watch.  I would much rather be watching the Packers vs. Patriots again, obviously because I'm a GB fan, but also because watching two teams with high octane offenses and no defense makes for a lot of big plays.

Giants 34   Patriots 24
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Rob on February 3, 2012, 12:27 PM
I think the Giants are the better team going in, but anything can happen.  The Giants seemed to get stronger in the playoffs, while Brady and the pats seemed to be on the decline.  Gronk got hurt in that last game and Brady didn't throw for a single TD...that does not bode well for a well rested Giants defense.  I just hope its a close game either way and fun to watch.  I would much rather be watching the Packers vs. Patriots again, obviously because I'm a GB fan, but also because watching two teams with high octane offenses and no defense makes for a lot of big plays.

Giants 34   Patriots 24

I'll take the Patriots.

As for Brady not throwing a TD against the Ravens... the Ravens allowed FIVE red zone touchdowns the entire season.  So naturally the Patriots weren't going to score a bunch of touchdowns.  That said, Brady did run for one even against that front 7.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on February 3, 2012, 06:26 PM
the Ravens allowed FIVE red zone touchdowns the entire season.  So naturally the Patriots weren't going to score a bunch of touchdowns.  That said, Brady did run for one even against that front 7.

Brady rushing for a TD is kind of a fluke - definitely not something he is known for.  And the Ravens haven't allowed many Red Zone TDs, but Brady threw for at least one TD outside the red zone in every regular season game this year.  He had been averaging 2.5 TDs per game.  I don't want to take anything away from a solid Ravens Defense, but he just didn't look good in that game.  The Pats had better hope Gronk is good to go.  Brady was 39 TDs this year, but only 22 ex Gronk.   :P
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Rob on February 3, 2012, 07:02 PM
Brady rushing for a TD is kind of a fluke - definitely not something he is known for. 

If I remember right, he rushed for TWO the week I beat you in the playoffs.   :-*


(Although that might have been the week before... and yes, you're right, he doesn't do that often.)

He put up 24 against the Giants earlier in the season, he can score on them.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Dressel Rebel on February 3, 2012, 09:28 PM

He put up 24 against the Giants earlier in the season, he can score on them.

Brady can hang 30 on anyone, anytime.

But the Giants are a dramatically better defense the last 6 weeks.  And offense is clicking on all cylinders at the same time, the Pats D is not that good.

I'll take Giants 30, Patriots 20.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on February 3, 2012, 09:45 PM
If I remember right, he rushed for TWO the week I beat you in the playoffs.   :-*

OUCH.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 3, 2012, 11:55 PM
I recently got to watch the Giants/Pats earlier match-up and some things I noticed:

-Giants got a lot of pressure on Brady, causing a few interceptions.  At the time, the Giants' defense was not playing as well as they are now.

-Bradshaw did not play due to injury...yet the Giants were able to get a decent run game going.

As far as recent playing:

-The Patriots have been relying on their offense out-scoring their opponents' offense and a defense that has been horrible against the run.  Their defense has stepped up during the playoffs, so we'll see what happens there.

-I thought Gronk was done when he went out of the game against the Ravens....ankles are not supposed to bend in that direction.

-The Giants are healthy overall and the defense has really stepped up.  The offense looks really good and the running game has improved during the playoffs.  Eli Manning also tends to make better decisions when under pressure than he has in the past.  He was sacked six times by the Niners and did not cough up the ball.  Last year, that would've been six fumbles.

As I sit here in my 2011, Giants NFC championship shirt, I am hoping for a big win by the G-Men, but I can see this game going either way.  I expect a low scoring game with the difference being 3 - 7 points.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: McMetal on February 6, 2012, 09:07 AM
I did not achieve my goal of watching NONE of this year's Superbowl, thanks to that damn SW commercial, but I came close. Guess I am glad the Giants won...probably the only time the Redskins will ever be able to say they swept the SB champs in the season.

Still think I would have been happier if they had kept the lockout going and skipped this season.

Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Dressel Rebel on February 6, 2012, 11:48 AM
http://www.theinsider.com/gossip/49452_Gisele_Bashes_Tom_s_Teammates/index.html (http://www.theinsider.com/gossip/49452_Gisele_Bashes_Tom_s_Teammates/index.html)
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on February 6, 2012, 12:06 PM
Total non-story.  However, she's right.  Welker catches that pass, then the Patriots win.  Just like 07, it took a dropped pass and a miraculous play for NY to win (this is not a knock on NY).  All I keep thinking about is "what if" Gronkowski hadn't been injured...
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: JediJman on February 6, 2012, 12:36 PM
Pretty close game, all things considered.  NY had a couple of fumbles that they were able to recover.  If any of those go to the Patriots, or that Brady interception doesn't happen, maybe it's a very different game.  You could equally call out the Giants injuries and say they might have won by a wider margin had those not happened.  Regardless, I'm happy for NY and their fans for the most part.  Not a big fan of Brady or Billygoat, but it would have been equally nice for a guy like Chad Johnson to get a ring after all these years. 

Congrats New York!
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: P-Siddy on February 6, 2012, 12:43 PM
I might have to go check out the party tomorrow. I figured it would be around mid-town and all, but it appears that it's Battery Park up to City Hall.
Title: Re: NFL 2011-2012
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 13, 2012, 08:38 PM
Received my 2011 Giants Super Bowl championship towel today.  I thought it would be the size of the terrible towell, but it's a bit bigger.

It's gonna look sweet on my desk at work.

Now for the T-shirt and dvd to arrive.