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Collectibles => Past Hasbro 3.75" Lines => The Clone Wars '08-'13 => Topic started by: Jesse James on October 30, 2013, 09:12 PM
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Sorta knew this was coming, but...
Seemingly Cancelled Clone Wars Items (http://www.jedidefender.com/index.php?id=638), courtesy of Greg's master list.
Some of that I wasn't so sure I could recall what was done, and what wasn't, but it seems there's definitely some canned items in there.
Not a CW item, but the list also seems to confirm Mother Talzin from the Target pack wasn't meant to be an animated figure at all, as people were guessing at the time she was revealed.
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Heartbreak city on a lot of that. Wow.
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SW CW BASIC FIG KASHYYYK WARRIOR 32843
SW CW R5 P8 A0831
SW CW RAKO HARDEEN A0833
SW CW3 AHSOKA A0839
SW CW4 CAPTAIN REX A1597
SW CW4 CAPTAIN REX A5085
SW CW4 PONG KRELL A1805
SW CW5 DARTH MAUL A1807
SW CW5 JEDI TEMPLE GUARD A1803
SW CW5 YODA A1806
:'(
All i'll say is: I just pray some of these got to the test shot phase and I will be able to pick up the prototypes one day from an overseas seller on eBay.
#$%^& Jedi Temple Guard! AARRGHH!!
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Of those figures; Rako, JTG, R5 and Pong Krell are heartbreakers. (Kashyyyk Warrior is Chewbacca BTW)
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Yep, we got Chewie at least. Some interesting stuff in here otherwise though:
SW CW BSC FIG RED LEADER (I don't think we ever got a whiff of this guy, guessing they are referring to the Red Deco Y-Wing Bomber Pilots?)
CW BATTLE PK AMBUSH IN THE OUTER RIM (no idea what would have come with this one, or even what episodes these refer back to)
CW BATTLE PKS YWING PILOTS (We got the yellow pilot already, and the red one is likely the single carded guy above, so not sure who else they would pack in here, maybe some Phase II pilots?)
SW CW BOBA AND SPEEDER (Ugh, I'm still pissed we never got this, had to be the one shown at Toyfair with Boba in poncho...this would have been an easy repaint)
SW CW BSC FIG CAD BANE IN DISGUISE (This must be the figure that eventually got released in the battlepack, he wasn't really "in disguise" per se for those episodes like The Box, just different outfit)
SW CW BSC FIG BLUE ROYAL GUARD (I am guessing they mean the Senate Guard, who ended up getting released in the target exclusive 2-pack)
CW ZIRO THE HUTT (Sucks, just really sucks we never got this guy, another easy repaint, minor retooling)
CW DELT2 STRFGHTR W/HYPRSPCE RNG TBD (Meh, never liked that idea and I don't recall it being used much in the show)
CW BTTLE PKS ASSAULT ON GRIEVOUS LAIR (This would have been exciting back when they were doing 4 figure BP's, we already got Kit Fisto, Nahdar Vebb, and Grievous, but the 4th figure could have been EV-A4-D!!!)
SW FIG & VEH MINI GUNMAN SUB W KIT FISTO (well, we got an underwater Kit Fisto, and we got the Assault Submarine, i am guessing that's what this deluxe set would have been? I dont recall any other submersible craft from that arc that would have fit here)
I wonder if any of those figures marked with "A" might still have a chance of getting out either in a more realistic styling or as part of some CW themed holiday gift set or somesuch thing. I'm convinced they at least got to a working sculpt of Krell, since it was mentioned so prominently in the Q&A.
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It would have been great if the Y Wing Pilots set included the remaining pilots from the squad that included Matchstick; Broadside and the others. There were always my favorite pilot designs. No idea on Red Leader. Assault on Grievous Lair - a missed opportunity I think for Commander Fil and/or one of his grunts. I also always loved these and it's a shame we never got them.
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A lot of that stuff did get released though... just with a slightly different name, like:
SW CW BASIC FIGURE RED LEADER 28529
= TCW 2010 Clone Commander Colt (Item#28529)
He went from 'RED LEADER' to 'Red Leader ARC Trooper' to 'Clone Commander Colt'. And we even talked about this switch in the forums... ;)
Thanks, I guess they are calling him Red Leader ARC Trooper now?
And a few more, just for examples:
SW CW BATTLE PK AMBUSH IN THE OUTER RIM 94237
= TCW 2009 Target Ambush at Abregado Battle Pack (Item#94237)
SW CW BSC FIG BLUE ROYAL GUARD 91273
= 2009 Clone Wars Captain Argyus (Item#91273)
I think in the rush to get scoops out, sites may not have thouroughly vetted out some stuff that we did indeed get, just with a slightly different name. :-\
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Good call on the Captain Argyus and Blue Guard numbering, Jeff. Argyus didn't cross my mind when I read the name. I tried to remember as much alternate naming as possible from rumor lists and such, which is why I didn't include Red Leader/Cmdr Colt or the Outer Rim/Abreggado set.
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SW CW R5 P8 A0831
SW CW RAKO HARDEEN A0833
SW CW4 PONG KRELL A1805
SW CW5 JEDI TEMPLE GUARD A1803
This is painful. Very, very painful. Hopefully Hasbro reconsiders the total cancellation of Clone Wars figures one day.
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Yeah some of the names, I figured were things we did get, but under different titles... Red Leader I was thinking was a pilot though, but on the Argyus thing, I was thinking that might've been the blue Senate Guard... There was a LOT of that mixed into that information.
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Thanks Jeff, great catch on those. I used to track Item #'s plus SKU/Assortment #'s but it got to be too confusing after awhile. Those had long since dropped off my radar. Good to know we didn't miss ALL this stuff at least.
Some other tidbits I pulled out from around the web:
SW CW SHADOW MAGNA GUARD A0840
SW CW SHOCK TROOPER A2427
SW CW SUPER TACTICAL DROID KRAKEN A1804
SW CW 4 PACK TANGO COMPANY 33115
SW CW SPECIAL OPS 31680
We did get a Special Ops Clone Trooper I believe, but I'm blanking on Tango for some reason. Was that the Wolfpack set maybe?
Shadow Magna Guard would have been super sweet. Shock Trooper is a complete no-brainer, I've actually been working on a custom one that doesn't look half bad. But Super Tactical Droid?!?! OMG, I would have blown a gasket over that awesomeness.
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I have a theory I am increasingly convinced of that I wanted to post here.
With the recent announcement of the Jedi Temple Guard Legends figure, we have confirmation that Hasbo is actually going to release some of those cancelled Clone Wars figures, albeit slightly tweaked from the original sculpt. (A little less animated and less articulation)
You can kind of see the net result with the Darth Maul figure from the Mission Series. That doesn't really look animated but it somehow falls short of a full realistic interpretation too IMO.
Both Darth Maul (A1807) and the Jedi Temple Guard (A1803) were new items on the list of cancelled stuff that clearly seem to have made their way into the Legends line.
My theory is that the already released Legends Shock Trooper is another example of one of these cancelled Clone Wars figures finding its way out. That figure was on the same list (A2427) assumably based on the final season arc with Ahsoka. It's not sourced as such on the package but I think the origins of that figure are from TCW. The sculpt is noticeably leaner and more stylized than previous versions. Not as thin as a true animated figure but a fair blend, ala Mission Series Maul.
The Shock Trooper fits in pretty nicely with Fox and company. I really liked this sculpt from the get-go and now I know why.
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Personally, I don't agree... To say "slightly less articulation" is a tweak is a stretch... I would say these weren't "cancelled" at all really, but just things planned to be sent out through the Legends line because you really can't just alter something with say 10 or so points of articulation to 5... It's basically all new.
As for the aesthetic, I think they're purely realistic... I see nothing animated about them at all except they're based obviously on characters who were only in an animated series so they resemble that incarnation of that character, but that's just my opinion. I look at them as no different than say the realistic Ahsoka we got that's obviously only based on an animated character and how the scupltor/designer felt she'd look "realistic".
I think Ventress figures always struggled with that too (most were realistically done, but you could always still see the art they're based on in them). Even realistic Ani/Obi from TVC have something that will always make you think of the cartoon I suppose, but that's just my opinion on their looks I guess.
I don't think those Legends figures are "tweaks" though. Tweaking is say Dooku's speederbike to the CW Geonosian speederbike, for instance... However I'd still say that's probably a whole new mold was made, just based on what existed.
In general, when something like that happens, or when a figure's mold is actually physically changed, you'll see evidence of it... Like Shaak Ti's ROTS figure having the impaling feature removed. You can see remnants of it. Those Legends figures look like ground-up work to me though... perhaps because the idea to do a character of them from TCW was on the table all along though and they figured maybe they'll just move them to Legends and the new style/format then?
I'm likely to pick some of those up, but I'll always be looking at how to articulate them now. ::)
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I don't think the 5POA Clone Wars characters are tweaked sculpts, only because all of the other figures in the Saga Legends/Mission Series line have been entirely new. Even Boba Fett and Vader, which had less articulated figures released in 2012, didn't share any sculpting with those earlier releases. I suppose this is an instance where creating an entirely new sculpt is cheaper than retooling/tweaking an old sculpt.
Which makes zero sense of course, because things like this also happened last year:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Hf2y5K0vQ04/UfKhZqyAPgI/AAAAAAAALfE/gmHEB_ZnwVY/s1600/Wolssnin-8.jpg)
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With things like the Legends compared to TCW figures (the 2008 line), I think there's just no way to "tweak" that. When you take figures apart as much as I have, you just see they're designed in ways you can't just make a little change here and there to a mold.
Not to mention Legends has a style all its own that is different from TCW or Black Series all together.
I'm sure these figures are simply all new molds... Given that list's nature, it's possible those figures were never planned for TCW as it was, and were always something Hasbro intended for the new "Legends" style and lower articulation count with realistic sculpts. I know they said MORE TCW were going to come but in realistic style, so that fits... Anything on that list with an A, if I remember that right, was "new" stuff, not necessarily "cancelled" and moved around and whatnot.
On the aesthetic thing, I mean I think that's really how the individual sees them... To me, that Maul looks realistic without an ounce of animated to it aside from the only place I saw THAT bio-Maul ever was in a cartoon so I remember it more from that. Its paintjob is from parts unknown though. :P
I was kind of hopeful some of the upcoming figures from the Disney event are actually CW figures or even some of them maybe from Rebels rather than the films. I could see that with quite a few listed like the TIE Pilot or whatnot.
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Thanks for the feedback, guys, interesting points all around.
I guess another way to phrase my point would be that some of the figures originally under development for the Clone Wars line are finding their way into the current Legends line.
To wit:
SW CW R5 P8 A0831
SW CW RAKO HARDEEN A0833
SW CW3 AHSOKA A0839
SW CW4 CAPTAIN REX A1597
SW CW4 CAPTAIN REX A5085
SW CW4 PONG KRELL A1805
SW CW5 DARTH MAUL A1807
SW CW5 JEDI TEMPLE GUARD A1803
SW CW5 YODA A1806
SW CW SHADOW MAGNA GUARD A0840
SW CW SHOCK TROOPER A2427
SW CW SUPER TACTICAL DROID KRAKEN A1804
That is straight from Hasbro, so the "CW" flag there seems to at least imply that there were additional figures planned for that line that never got released. I think we can all agree on that.
To what degree those figures were developed we may never know. Maybe there was some 3D imaging, basic dimensions mapped out, etc which they ended up using for the eventual Legends version. Maybe there were actually fully realized sculpts, prototypes, etc. I guess my point about the tweaking is more that they adapted whatever groundwork had already been laid for these figures as the basis for the Legends release.
Like, I doubt they would have designed a Jedi Temple Guard for the Clone Wars line and then thrown all that work out the window and started over from the ground up with a whole new interpretation just for the Legends line. It just seems logical they would piggyback on the work already completed.
I do get that some of these new 5 POA figures are fundamentally put together differently too, as I sadly found out when I went to swap out that atrocious Darth Maul head from the Mission Series 2-pack. But that Shocktrooper is a good old fashioned ball joint pop off head, just like a Phase II Clone Trooper, so who knows. When I hold him next to my other Shock Troopers he just looks a whole lot skinnier to me than the previous versions. Hence my initial suspicions.
At the end of the day, I don't know that it matters much, aside from the fact that I feel more motivated to buy figures that I think were originally intended for the animated line. Maybe I'm just projecting some wishful thinking though.
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I like the fact that some late Clone Wars offerings appear to be making their way into the Saga Legends line. Especially the Jedi Temple Guardian.
I get the sense that some of these figures may have already been in development before the plug was pulled on the Clone Wars animated series. I hope that was the case because it might mean a little more articulation for those characters.
I think we're only going to know for certain about these figures when SDCC rolls around and we see some hard copies. The poster only gave us a rundown of the characters.
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I don't think CW in the line means it was necessarily for the CW animated line... It may, but that list had things from all over the place, different eras, etc.
I honestly don't see anything animated about them really... They look very much like attempts for that "straight" pose look Legends is going for... I dunno. They seem no more animated looking than TVC Ahsoka or OWK, or Ani to me I guess, but look at the new Clone sculpt for TBS and how people thought his skinnier legs looked more like the TCW line than before... I think it just looks taller myself.
It's possible those CW figures on that list were intended to be realistic all along, in the realistic line... Hasbro is totally willing to throw away existing toolings though, but who knows. I see what you're saying with it being on that list then coming to the line, I just see it as they intended it all along to be what we're seeing, and it's tough to take an animated looking figure prototype and "dumb it down" to the under articulated Legends realistic looking figures ultimately. I figure it's possible those were just figures they planned immediately once they had Legends 5POA mapped out.
I recall them saying they would look at more TCW figures but they'd be all realistic... Then when 5 POA came to light that we were definitely getting that line, they said that's where TCW was going to go if it was going to turn up anywhere, thus Maul of course... And now OWK's (because, well, OWK). Sounds like they are going to throw us a bone with that Rex they had prototyped for TVC but that was clearly done already and tooled whereas the rest, who knows.