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Collectibles => The Black Series 6" Figures => Topic started by: Jeff on July 6, 2016, 09:51 AM
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Please use this thread for discussion on the 2016 Black Series 6" fan choice poll and/or the voting so we can keep the other thread nice and tidy (to make it easier to count votes) - thanks!
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Whew, I was worried we wouldn't have a separate thread to complain in... :P
Just please no more EU stuff...there's too many iconic OT characters they still need to trawl out and I don't think we can take anything for granted anymore with the scattershot, glacial pace of releases they seem to prefer. (Hasbro)
Rest of the bounty hunters, cantina goons, etc gonna need a lot of help, imho.
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Agreed McMetal!!! ;D
Here was my list from two years ago. Only one of these has been made with two others being rumored ::)
- Tusken Raider
- Lando Skiff Guard
- ANH Obi-Wan
- Jawas
- Wicket / Ewoks
- Gamorrean Guard
- ANH Leia
- Emperor's Royal Guard
- AOTC Padme Arena Battle
- Snowtrooper
I do really like the 6" line and think overall they've done a good job, but it's surprising that Hasbro has only released one of these figures in the past two years and it was only because the same figure appeared in TFA.
I've said this before, but I really think they should mix in OT/PT/EU characters with current movie release figures. I could have done without Constable Zuvio, General Hux, Resistance Trooper, Flametrooper, and a few others in favor of any of the above figures. I'm glad that I got all those TFA figures, but I could have waited a few years on some of them.
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This should be a fun fireworks show... people on Reddit (through Yakface) are voting for figures like Rey with gloves and scarf, or the Heavy Gunner FO Stormtrooper. Totally different mindset from us over here. ;)
Either way, I look forward to not being able to find the winning figure in stores.
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I looked at my list from last year and two of the figs I wanted are on their way: AT-AT Driver and Sabine. I'm happy with that.
I voted for Darth Talon last year but left her off my list this year and swapped out a couple others for Asajj, Aurra and Bo-Katan. I really want Hera from Rebels to go with Sabine so she got my number 2 vote behind Jaxxon (because I'm an ******* >:D). And I'm still voting for the other TESB Bounty Hunters.
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Bo-Katan was a great choice and nearly convinced me to add her to my list, but I went with Amidala in her Red Throne Room Dress. I just saw it at the SW costume exhibit in Times Square last week and was reminded of how iconic and powerful it is. Padme had a million looks in the PT but if we only get one in the 6 inch line this would be my pick.
I don't get some of the hysteria I've read this morning elsewhere about this. I mean, who thought it was anything other than a poll? But then I don't get the hysteria about toys in general, so... anyways. I do think it would be great for Hasbro to have a SA 3 3/4" poll and cater to that crowd a little, but I'm not sure what people want there either really.
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there's too many iconic OT characters they still need to trawl out and I don't think we can take anything for granted anymore with the scattershot, glacial pace of releases they seem to prefer.
You mean like how we're nearly three and a half years into the 6" line and they are finally getting around to ANH Ben Kenobi? Or how they still haven't made a single Lando or C-3PO figure yet? Glacial indeed.
I guess you need to hope that more OT characters make the "top 6" choices for round 2 (or Top 7, if they have to put a female in there to appease the masses like they did with Sabine last year :-X). From last year's poll, four of the seven Round 2 finalists ended up with figures (Revan, Sabine, Ben, Snowtrooper).
I don't get some of the hysteria I've read this morning elsewhere about this. I mean, who thought it was anything other than a poll?
Maybe some of those sites shouldn't have been running around for the past two weeks saying, "OMG you guys - big Hasbro announcement coming!!" every few days. :-X
Eh, either way, there was always going to be a segmet of fandom that reacted poorly to the new poll news I suppose.
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I'd love to see a Droideka in 6" scale (didn't make my cut in top 10 though) if Hasbro could tool the figure to collapse into roller mode.
I also agree with Darby about Padme. The Theed Invasion gown is iconic and the one I would choose for 6" scale, but for some reason her Geonosis Arena Battle outfit is a favorite (I find it the most boring of her outfits)
I'd also love for Hasbro to get back to focusing on "iconic" characters in the saga. I think a big mistake they did for TFA was to release characters other than the main and secondaries. There were (IMO) only four (Asty, Guavian, Zuvio, and Resistance fighter), but they hung around and should have been Luke, Maz, and Resistance Rey instead. Save the background characters for the 3.75" line.
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I'd love to see a Droideka in 6" scale (didn't make my cut in top 10 though) since one would Hasbro could tool the figure to collapse into roller mode.
That would be cool.
I'm a little surprised there haven't been themed (exclusive?)"battle packs" of 6" figures created for $50. Throne Room Battle - Droideka, Battle Droid, and Throne Room Amidala. AOTC Arena Battle - Padme, Geonosian, Mace Windu. Jabba's Sail Barge. Cantina. Bespin Carbon Freeze, etc.
We've had the beast packs (e.g. Luke/Wampa), the leaded astromech 3-pack, and the Target TFA two pack. Other than that I don't think we've had anything other than single carded figures.
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Bo-Katan was a great choice and nearly convinced me to add her to my list, but I went with Amidala in her Red Throne Room Dress. I just saw it at the SW costume exhibit in Times Square last week and was reminded of how iconic and powerful it is. Padme had a million looks in the PT but if we only get one in the 6 inch line this would be my pick.
I agree. There are only a couple of Amidala outifts I'd really like to see with that being one of them. I also like the blue Tatooine dress from AOTC.
I don't get some of the hysteria I've read this morning elsewhere about this. I mean, who thought it was anything other than a poll? But then I don't get the hysteria about toys in general, so... anyways. I do think it would be great for Hasbro to have a SA 3 3/4" poll and cater to that crowd a little, but I'm not sure what people want there either really.
I think it's because people either assumed it was another SDCC action figure announcement or something to do with marketing going forward now that TFA is winding down and we'll be on Rogue One. I thought I recalled Hasbro basically saying that their SDCC figure this year would be a Rogue One preview figure (like the Stormtrooper last year) and we were assuming it would be the new Death Trooper.
I'd love to see a Droideka in 6" scale (didn't make my cut in top 10 though) if Hasbro could tool the figure to collapse into roller mode.
Like the POTJ Mega Action figure? That's not actually a terrible figure, it does roll up and I think it's still in scale with the Black Series 6" line. If Hasbro still has the molds for that it seems like it could be easy money.
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Actually, this is exactly what I expected when they said there was a Hasbro announcement, although some sites did make it seem like something better. I'm also surprised how much anger there is over Hasbro offering us a Fan's Choice again ( again, on other sites). Sure, many (most) of us would rather see this be a SA 3 3/4" poll....and to see that line alive and striving again, but it just doesn't seem like it is going to happen now. I know it is the nature of the Internet, and often collectors, but I hate to see all the negativity surrounding our beloved franchise, particularly where action figures are concerned.
I personally enjoy the 6" line, but feel that 3 3/4" IS Star Wars, complete with vehicles, beasts, and ideally playsets, and I'm happy getting both right now. I don't have the hatred for 5 POA that some do, although I wish there was more of a middle ground with both articulation and price. Regardless, we really had a golden run of stuff there through lines like TAC or TVC, that covered most of OT/PT wants. It is a new era of collecting now, apparently.
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Grrrrr rawr robble rabble robble. #"Fan's"Choice
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But yeah given the general attitude of some readers why promote that that hard only to turn around and deride it in another timeline post? That's kind of manic.
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Grrrrr rawr robble rabble robble. #"Fan's"Choice
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But yeah given the general attitude of some readers why promote that that hard only to turn around and deride it in another timeline post? That's kind of manic.
We wouldn't be talking about JTA would we? The TMZ of SW collectibles reporting. "Here's a thread to vote! Here's the thread to bitch!"
I'm mostly OK with the 5POA and I was mostly OK with the Walmart BS line until Hasbro's crappy choice in character attire for this last wave. I don't know if it was a Hasbro thing or a Lucasfilm/Disney thing or a JJ edited the movie thing, but while the TFA figures looked nice, the character and vehicle choices were terrible. Breaking the basic line into the Snow/Desert and Jungle/Space assortments didn't help when it came to stores getting waves with desirable figs.
The 6" BS line has done better but there are some head-scratcher choices in there (Phase 1 Clone Troopers and Cody before ANH Obi or Phase 3 Rex for example). I'm happy for a poll but how many lists are gonna pop up with C-3PO or Sabine or Revan on them because people/sites don't pay attention.
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I have Threepio on my list. ;) I just don't want a TFA version
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I went around to see ya know, who all was participating in general... I figured given the last poll maybe some sites would say piss on it, but then I saw all the "You'll want to be here", and then the "This sucks, we know" that followed it... I just... I dunno what to say ya know? Then why did you tell everyone to be here!?
Anyway, hey, whatever... I am not a big 6" collector, except for the Bandai kits and a Bossk Figure (I'm voting Tarkin and Rebel troops to have something in there I'd cave and buy), so I kind of admire it from afar... And I'm not really bothered this isn't a 3.75" poll because if you've not seen the writing on the wall yet, you're unable to be helped. I mean I'd love one, don't get me wrong, I just don't expect there to be one because clearly Hasbro WANTS collectors to go to 6" scale and 3.75" to be for kids.
I didn't like the 5POA and while I bought more than I thought I would (I can customize a lot of what they made I think), and I like improvements like "skirt" pieces and working holsters, I still can't back that line completely. I'm an articulation guy at heart and will always feel Hasbro CAN, and SHOULD find some medium area where some figures have knees and elbows/wrists, while others maybe have just elbows/wrists and some are salt shakers (like that WM Leia should've been maybe). I can get behind that. I loved figures in 2006 and 2007, so I can get into that. I just can't get into an all 5POA line at this point.
And yeah vehicle choices were odd, but I chalk that up to the Zuvio effect of a film not being done, and Hasbro being left a puzzle that's missing many pieces to build a toy line off of. I swear that Sand Speeder had to be in the film in some capacity to get a MM and a full size vehicle haha. Hey, at least it's a kinda nice toy. Better than those smaller vehicles we got with the line's release, Rey's speeder aside.
But yeah... I mean... 6" is it. It's THE scale I guess. Or it's the one Hasbro wants you to want, and to jump to, and be happy for the myriad of figures you got in 3.75", and I am... Maybe customizing helps ease that pain some? It doesn't eliminate it though, and I still want SA too.
Anyway, I watch the poll from afar, put my vote in here... I don't see the need to flip the **** out and bitch about Hasbro letting fans pick something, even if it's a scale maybe people are avoiding.
I think on their character choices they're trying too hard to appease too many at one point maybe? Like Clone fans, OT fans, obscurity fans, alien fans, trooper fans, main fans... I dunno. It's all over the board though it seems. Given TCW and Rebels status I'd think they'd maybe want to do more of those if they can, rather than waiting to spit one out here and there.
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I swear that Sand Speeder had to be in the film in some capacity to get a MM and a full size vehicle haha.
There's a scene at the trading post on Jakku where that speeder passes across the screen way in the back of the shot and then I'm pretty sure we never see it again.
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See I thought that too... I wonder if it ever played any other part? It makes for a neat toy if it were some kind of military speeder...
Much like the Snowspeeder, it's neat if you slap a bunch of Stormtroopers and Impy's around it and just call it an Imperial Speeder from any old era ya know? I was pleased with both. Bought 3 Snowspeeders actually hoping to whip up some spiffy new paintjobs.
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I swear that Sand Speeder had to be in the film in some capacity to get a MM and a full size vehicle haha.
There's a scene at the trading post on Jakku where that speeder passes across the screen way in the back of the shot and then I'm pretty sure we never see it again.
See I thought that too... I wonder if it ever played any other part?
I don't remember it from the movie, but I remember seeing something like it in the facebook 360 video (https://www.facebook.com/StarWars/videos/vb.169299103121699/1030579940326940/?type=2&theater).
ILM/LFL must have done up some initial CGI for it and then didn't use it for much... poor Hasbro screwed again. :P
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I know the scene Eric's talking about Jeff, and I swear it's there but so far in the distance and inconsequential... Hey, either way, it's basically a toy I was gonna make for myself. Eons ago I always wanted a kind of "Mad Max" Rebel Speeder that was basically an armor plated civilian vehicle... kinda like you'd see on the news these days anymore in the middle east.
Anyway, this thing's perfect for that really. The basket on the front is kinda meh, but beyond that there's some really amazing detail... the simple metal seat for the driver, the "tread plating" on the floor pans... It's a shockingly detailed toy for something that really was essentially not in the movie. It's a cool little toy if you like randomness. Look good with the Hasbro swoops actually.
The roll cage plastic is a weird, cheap translucent stuff, trying to look silver, but hey, can't have it all. :)
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I wonder if this is the speeder that was used in getting Poe off of Jakku (per novelization). They filmed the scene and never used it?
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I always wanted a kind of "Mad Max" Rebel Speeder that was basically an armor plated civilian vehicle... kinda like you'd see on the news these days anymore in the middle east
I have mine parked on my Tatoooine table / streets of Mos Eisley dio as filler - fits in great there. ;)
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I always wanted a kind of "Mad Max" Rebel Speeder that was basically an armor plated civilian vehicle... kinda like you'd see on the news these days anymore in the middle east
I have mine parked on my Tatoooine table / streets of Mos Eisley dio as filler - fits in great there. ;)
Mine has Fleet Troopers in it... cuz I'm me. :(
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9. AT-AT Driver
Psst. This one's confirmed ;)
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9. AT-AT Driver
Psst. This one's confirmed ;)
Correct - Prototype was shown at Toy Fair 2016 (http://rebelscum.com/2016-toy-fair/Hasbro-2015-International-Toy-Fair-The-Black-Series/image2.asp).
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9. AT-AT Driver
Psst. This one's confirmed ;)
Correct - Prototype was shown at Toy Fair 2016 (http://rebelscum.com/2016-toy-fair/Hasbro-2015-International-Toy-Fair-The-Black-Series/image2.asp).
Thanks guys, totally spaced on that one!
Will fix that now...
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Get those votes in - voting closes at 9:00am CT tomorrow morning to give us time to tally up the votes!
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Vote now vote now vote now...
and stuff.
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A little disappointed by how many sites only want you to submit one character. Given those conditions , I opted for Count Dooku as my entry. For me it boiled down to either him or Qui-Gon Jinn. But in the end I thought that a new Sith Lord would be more interesting than another Jedi.
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Results! Here are the JediDefender.com Top Six that were sent to Hasbro this morning:
1. Zuckuss
2. 4-LOM
3. Dengar
4. Emperor's Royal Guard (RotJ)
5. Lando Calrissian (ESB - Bespin)
6. Tusken Raider
(Full disclosure - there was a tie for 6th. The tiebreaker was a random # generator, where the Tusken beat out Gamorrean and Jawas. Congrats, Sand People!)
Look for info on the Round 2 voting at StarWars.com soon...
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That's a nice list of figures I would buy. Already one site's members are complaining about results, such as why (waste a) vote for obvious candidates. Vote for X Obscure/EU character.
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I can see both viewpoints, but if we've had the same lists for two years and virtually none of the "obvious" candidates have been made, then I'm not sure I can fully back that idea.
Sure Darth Revan might be kind of cool and all (full disclosure - I have no idea what EU story line or video game he is from), but I would much rather have a cool mainstream character (the JD top six) that we've been lacking since the line came out.
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I see their viewpoint, too, but on the other hand, it's a fan poll so people can choose who they want, so people should be happy fans listed their choice and up-voted the choices others put down. One might not agree with people's candidates but at least Hasbro has these polls. I think Star Wars fans are some of the biggest complainers out there.
I just wonder if Hasbro would do Darth Talon if there were issues with Slave Leia's outfit and the resulting outcry from some in the public.
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That's a nice list of figures I would buy. Already one site's members are complaining about results, such as why (waste a) vote for obvious candidates. Vote for X Obscure/EU character.
There's going to be plenty of griping and grousing about this process. There always has been and always will be whenever there's a Fan's Choice Figure Poll.
When I was making the rounds at the participating sites yesterday I was beyond shocked to see one site where people were voting like crazy for Jaina Solo. Seriously? After all of that material got wiped out in the great EU/Legends purge so that the new Sequel Trilogy could start fresh, you go with Jaina Solo? Wow.
As for the 4-LOM/Zuckuss results? I would definitely welcome either of them. The TESB bounty hunters are still fertile ground.
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That is an outstanding Top 6 that I am very proud to be associated with. Well done, Jedi Defenders! :)
I agree with you Nick, that it seems pointless to vote for characters that are no longer canonical. Hasbro could and should have easily put that to bed by stipulating that you had to vote for someone from the 7 movies or 2 TV shows.
If they can make Rogue One off-limits, they sure as heck can make all the EU fan fiction stuff off limits too.
And those dips btching about "obvious choices" obviously haven't been paying attention because how many years has it been now and still no 3PO?!?!
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The holdup with C-3PO has definitely been curious. The TFA version will be released later this year, but how many years has is been since the Black Series 6" line began? It has to have been well before Lucasfilm was sold to Disney and TFA went into production. But I have been hearing bits and pieces of information related to vac-metalized figures (like Threepio and Phasma) and how Hasbro has been searching for alternative finishes. So I suspect that issue may have something to do with the delays there.
And regarding Darth Revan? He came from the Bioware video game title Knights Of The Old Republic, which was probably one of the most popular Star Wars games of all time.
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if we've had the same lists for two years and virtually none of the "obvious" candidates have been made, then I'm not sure I can fully back that idea.
And those dips btching about "obvious choices" obviously haven't been paying attention because how many years has it been now and still no 3PO?!?!
I agree with you fellas. To me, its a numbers game now. There were 21 figures in the TFA line so far and what, like 17 were from TFA? Just 4 (Kanan, Ahsoka, Farm Luke, Jango) that were not new movie stuff.
If we're only getting 4-8 new OT/PT figures each year, you can't call stuff like Zuckuss or 4-LOM obvious anymore.
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That's an interesting take on things. That sort of trend is actually a little startling to see. I think we'll get a better picture of how Hasbro will be able to integrate characters from sources other than the current movie cycle once we get past the whole ROGUE ONE release. I suspect that the ANTHOLOGY/STAR WARS STORY films may have fewer offerings than the Saga/Numbered Episode films, but that's just speculation on my part.
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Well, the complaining is almost pathological at this point, so it's kind of expected.
The choices aren't bad, but I was hoping for a better showing for the Jawas who seemed like locks at one point. I don't think anything is a lock at this point now, and given this is supposed to be the collector line, the lack of collector minded figures (by and large) is definitely something to complain about. ;) On the anthology films seeing less representation, I kind of think this one will, only because the initial plan was for Rogue One to hit in December, followed by VIII in May (now December '17). So Hasbro probably was far enough along in their planning window that this is going to be reflected somewhat. I think we see that a little in the plan for 6 inch figures in the fall, if rumors are true - a couple waves of Rogue One followed immediately by heavy doses of Saga characters. So with VIII being pushed back there's opportunity to backfill, but it will be interesting to see if what the offerings are in spring of 17.
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Another thing with EU-type of winners: people will happy someone wins but then complain about the headache of trying to find the figure in store or online for a reasonable price because the scalpers eat them right up. I don't really understand the EU hype, but that's me, and I'm happier for it since I haven't had my universe destroyed by the Disney purchase. But I'm also happy for those that get their figures too.
Those are interesting numbers, Jeff. With the new trilogy, I bought more 6" figures than I had thought I would...probably all but 5. But only 1 OT & PT figure were released in the line (not including the two multi-packs) and the two Rebels figures (so far). I guess 1 prequel figure makes sense since Disney wanted to distance itself from that trilogy... But there are some cool characters to come from those movies.
It also makes sense being a movie year that more of the focus is on that movie, but I really hope that Hasbro focuses on central figures in the movie than say lesser ones like Zuvio, Asty, or Guavian until the movie is out for a while to gauge their popularity accurately. Maybe get some of the heroes and villains out and mix from the OT, PT and Rebels or EU in the next couple waves since the characters of the new movie aren't yet established?
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I look at our Top 6 here, and realize that I'm proud to be a part of this community and I'm in the right place. I would gladly take any of those, and the selection matches my top choices almost perfectly. Well done again JD. I have to agree with what others have been saying, I don't know that there are any "safe bets" anymore - specifically from the classics or prequels. We have seen how long it takes to even get to the main players (3PO, Obi, Leia, etc.) not to mention second or third tier mainstays like the bounty hunters, cantina, or Jabba goons.
I'm all for people getting to vote for who they want, and that's great, but the EU stuff is honestly sort of lost on me as well. It makes sense in the 3 3/4" line, where nearly everything movie-wise has been covered, but the 6" line still has so far to go to get to everything relevant from the movies. A character that I may want the most right now (Bespin Lando), is a somewhat main character who rarely gets figures - and when he does they aren't always super popular so who knows how many chances he will see. I'd much rather see the big guns and recognizable background characters/troops from the movies get covered before we dip too deep into EU stuff. I guess we'll see what the vote brings.
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Hah complaining in Star Wars collecting? Never! I've found toy collectors in general just are kind of entitled. This is just something for fun. It doesn't mean your character won't be made some day, so I just look at it as a way Hasbro is trying to promote things, interact with the collectors, and give them almost a little game to try and get what they personally want.
And of course there will be people who get pissy about it and miss the point. Not one thing I voted for made our top 6 but I'm ok with that.
On the EU thing, I get why they allow it... It's part of the lore. They didn't make it suddenly stop existing. It's all LFL material so I like that they let people dig into it and give a Revan type guy a chance at success. Hell it still is getting picked up into new stuff here and there, like Rebels does.
If the people chose something from it more power to them. Tons of it was pretty great. A lot wasn't too. *shrugs*
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Someone on another forum said "collectors are the worst kinds of people". REMEMBER WHEN THOSE COLLECTORS KILLED ALL THOSE PEOPLE? Self-hate runs deep in the collector community.
Also, these things are always rigged. LOL.
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Eh, speaking of just collectors, they are a fairly entitled group who like to pitch a fit... :)
Me included at times, but there's a lot of kind of "armchair executives" in the hobby, and personally I think most of them are nuts. Then again how do you argue with people who think Hasbro owes them something.
I'd love to see the line swing back to something I'd like more than it is now too though. 6" collectors should be relatively happy though. There's a lot of cool stuff in that line.
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Eh, speaking of just collectors, they are a fairly entitled group who like to pitch a fit... :)
Me included at times, but there's a lot of kind of "armchair executives" in the hobby, and personally I think most of them are nuts. Then again how do you argue with people who think Hasbro owes them something.
The entitlement is absolutely annoying. Just because you have bought in to the line in a very enthusiastic manner does not mean that Hasbro or the Star Wars brand owe you anything. It has never been and will never be any sort of a quid pro quo type of situation. Once you can dial back your expectations in that respect, you'll probably be a lot happier in this hobby.
I get the idea of the Fan's Choice Poll as a vehicle for characters who might not have a chance otherwise. I think Darth Revan is a prime example of the type of character who benefitted from the poll. But Sabine? I get the sense that Hasbro would have gotten around to her as they're already taking on REBELS characters in the 6" figure line. I am glad to see Hera get some recognition in the current poll, but I'm left wondering WHERE IS EZRA?
But with the Legends EU being represented in the current toy line? Personally, I think that with the new canon definitions, I would prefer to have the toy line focus on canon material.
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Yeah that's a good list, and I would buy every single one of them. Also, props to JD for letting us all vote for 10 characters. I never understood the other sites only allowing one vote per person. Was it an issue of making things easier due to high traffic/submitted votes?
Jesse and I were discussing over Twitter about the Black Series figs versus the Japanese 6 inch lines (Medicom MAFEX, Bandai SH Figuarts, Revoltech), and Jesse had a good line about Hasbro being the "budget" line for collectors. It's expensive to collect the Japanese figures (roughly $50 per figure, give or take, plus overseas shipping) but you look at what they've done, and it blows Hasbro out of the water. You definitely get your moneys worth. Most of those lines have been around for 2 years at most, but they've tackled lots of stuff Hasbro probably won't get to for years with this pace. Mace Windu, TPM Obi-Wan, Battle Droids... there are even two versions of 3PO and R2, with more coming. Meanwhile from Hasbro we've gotten Luke in most of his movie outfits, a few troopers, and MAYBE a single figure for main characters like Han. I'm rambling here, so I guess the point I'm making is to agree that no figure is guaranteed to be made in this line.
The complaining is a tough issue to tackle because I know I'll end up sounding like a hypocrite somewhere haha. Legitimate gripes I'd say are paint apps and distribution, though I still don't know if that's Hasbro's fault or retail (or both).
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Toys in general are going that direction where there is "cheap" and then there is better but you pay up. The 5poa vs the WM figures for instance. It's just how things are now I guess. But its how these designer toy lines like Acid Rain, Aliens: Colonial Marines, Vitruvian HACKS and such are gaining traction too... They cost, some are imports and cost even more, but at least you get what you're paying for.
With Hasbro 3.75" I really wish they'd find a happy medium... Sporadic articulation at $9.99 each. Some SA, mostly not, nothing 5POA only though. I'd be much more motivated on Star Wars I think.
There is always something good though, to look forward to. Not like the old days sure, but I've still found a lot of fun in Star Wars regardless. The vast majority seem to hate everything anymore though. At least in the collecting world. Kids seem happy enough with the line. It did pretty well in that regard, then fizzled as toy lines seem to do these days.
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Nice list guys - I'd buy all of those in a heartbeat. I'd still like Hammerhead above all others, but cool to see the remaining bounty hunters at the top.
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Hammerhead! Been waiting for him since they started these. And Jawas.
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I can't believe how angry people are over voting for toys. Good lord. People are pent up.
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I really like Jeff's list. I'd definitely like a retail release of Han in Carbonite, too.
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I can't believe how angry people are over voting for toys. Good lord. People are pent up.
Well, hopefully our little site doesn't skew the votes too much. ;)
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Looks like the finalists are up for vote on Star Wars.com:
http://www.starwars.com/news/vote-now-for-the-next-black-series-figure (http://www.starwars.com/news/vote-now-for-the-next-black-series-figure)
I can't say I'm overly excited about the choices, but I'm happy to see the fans get a say regardless. I'll opt for the character that is actually from the movies ;)
The finalists are:
Starkiller
Mara Jade
Jaina Solo
Captain Rex
Dengar
Darth Talon
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So four characters that don't exist and one that I'm almost positive was previously announced/strongly rumored at some point. (Rex)
Man, even the toy elections have crappy choices this year. :D
Dengar FTW!
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Seriously? Well, GO DENGAR!!!!
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Definitely Dengar for me as well. Aaaand so far he's in last place. I really don't understand the voting on these last two, at least in 3 3/4" we used to focus on stuff from the movies before delving into the EU stuff.
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Wow. Just looking at the current results, and Darth Talon is leading with Jaina Solo in a close second place.
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Well, I have to vote Darth Talon. She was easily the best character coming out of the Legacy series and would look awesome with Revan. I like that she's even a possibility given that the original EU was erased. Maybe I will vote Dengar with my son's account... ;)
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Dengar for me, too. Gotta love the comments on the SW site.
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Dengar for me, too. Gotta love the comments on the SW site.
They're on par with the comments section of any news site.
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Hmmm that's a pretty low bar... I may have to peruse those for the rage.
I mean, 6" isn't my bag at all so I can't say I'm angered over the outcome... I wouldn't be angered at the outcome if they were 3.75" either though. It is what it is. If this is what most want, so be it. I'd not want any of these, in either scale, or comparable ones in 3.75", but I'm ok if that's the outcome too.
I dunno what to vote for on that list... Dengar I suppose represents JD the best, but I kinda think Mara and Starkiller could make cool 6" figures too.
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Voted Dengar since that's the only figure I would actually buy.
Scrolled through a bit of the comments section and saw people discussing naming their kids after Mara Jade and Jaina Solo... noped out of that pretty quick.
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We named the dog Jaina!
I voted Talon to stick it to the mouse.
I think of the 4 discarded EU characters, Starkiller might be a "surprise winner", since they made Revan.
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The comments are hilarious. I commented on a bunch, including a jab at a certain other collector site who just can't believe their list didn't end up as the 6 finalists. ::) #URNotAllThat
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The comments are hilarious. I commented on a bunch, including a jab at a certain other collector site who just can't believe their list didn't end up as the 6 finalists. ::) #URNotAllThat
Man, I so wanted to jump into that fray too, but it wasn't worth joining Facebook.
Those people make the worst lot over at Rebelscum seem like a bunch of calm, rational intellectuals by comparison.
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Lol had no idea it was that bad. I've gotta make some time to read that mess.
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Made some time... I liked the mic drop made by that one guy. That made me lol actually.
A whole lot of EU bashing, then a whole lot of new movie/EU hating... It seems fairly equal. It's pretty easy to see how these final 6 came to be, and that's the way the cookie crumbles. Nothing I'm terribly interested in on a personal level, but not much would've gotten me anyway outside Tarkin or a Rebel Soldier, so I was never the target demo there.
Oh, and I find it interesting that the official site is hosting this, and yet there's a whopping 50k votes there at this point. Granted, a lot of time is left till Friday sure, but that's a pretty damn low voter turnout.
Cite the choices or whatever, but I think that's fairly representative of where collecting as a whole is at this point... :-\
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54k votes is may more than I would have expected given this is the 6" line. Talon still ahead by a wide margin...
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Starkiller is pulling ahead of Talon as of this post.
Yeah...RIGGEDEDED. :P
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There is not even a scintilla of doubt in my mind that the thing is either outright rigged from inception or 5 high school dweebs are just hacking it all up beyond recognition. No way that is a legit sampling.
Starkiller would be slightly less of a bitter pill to swallow, as I did enjoy the game, and there's at least a chance the character could show up in some way shape or form down the road.
Talon is a neat design but you just know Hasbro would wreck it all to hell with those bare arms and legs. Slave Leia 2.0.
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I could totally see some sort of PR backlash if Darth Talon won the poll. The character design really did come across as some sort of fanboy eye-candy, and was not well developed in the LEGACY comic series. And while it took the outrage police a little while, there was some uproar about Slave Leia when she was on the pegs as part of the Black Series.
If Dengar doesn't turn things around, I would be okay with either Starkiller or Captain Rex. Rex would be my first choice there, but there are rumblings that a 6" Rex may already be in the works. And this sentiment isn't about being against female characters. Believe me, if Hera Syndulla or some iteration of Padme had ranked well in the poll, I would be inclined to vote for them. But in my mind the LEGENDS status of Jaina Solo, Mara Jade and Darth Talon are some major strikes against them. Granted, video games don't have canon status. But I have felt for some time that gamers make up a much larger segment of the fanbase than they may be given credit for, and I think their voices do matter.
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Definitely seems strange again this time around, although most of the finalists seemed a little iffy to me too. I'm happy for those who are getting the character they want, but I have to admit the results make me feel more in the minority of this hobby in a way. I thought about starting a separate thread for this, but do you think our collecting crowd are the "dinosaurs" of the hobby now? I know we have a group of all ages here at JD, but it always seemed to have at least somewhat similar opinions on things when it came to these fan lists, as well as the direction of the line, etc. It seems more and more that the collecting community is so segmented on everything.
I'll admit, JD is the only forum I frequent anymore, so maybe our community is different than some from the other sites. There seems to be so much negativity surrounding the line(s), and I'm honestly very surprised that these EU characters make the cut ahead of things like the Gamorrean Guard, Lando, Royal Guard, etc. It made more sense in the 3 3/4 line, where we have gotten nearly everything, but I'm not sure these characters are necessarily "gimmes" for the 6" scale. Especially with at least half the slots taken up by new movie/media figures each year. Anyways, I just used to think we were a more united group in total as a community, but it sometimes seems now that communities like ours here are the dinosaurs of the hobby. That, or the whole thing is rigged ;)
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I think it just boils down to a wide range of tastes... There's a ton of people at other sites that are all jazzed about EU stuff, old EU that is, but 'round these parts we are pretty old school (Face it, most of us are old farts now), and so we gravitate to the old stuff. While some hate to believe it though, there is a generation that grew up with the PT that have their place too, and I think the EU would resonate with them more, and thus we're seeing what we're seeing.
I've got no dog in the hunt, like I've said, and so I don't think there's a fix in here at all. I think OT guys just aren't as many as they used to be.
I think Hasbro have ample time to get to much of the OT stuff too... I think the more obscure OT (ICMG) is a more worthy vote. I think Dengar will happen because I think they have this clean palette to work with and are going to do so. I think a Gammie, or Royal Guard will happen too. I don't think those EU guys had a shot in hell if they didn't make this poll, so to that end I see the EU guy's perspective on this.
I don't care for Talon as a character... Lame, and Nick's right that that figure was a fan wank if I ever saw one. But hey, if people want her, so be it. Starkiller is as interesting in general I think. I like my TFU figures and Hasbro sure as hell made a lot of them, but hey, he's just another EU dude too. And that game was popular, for what it was. Too bad they didn't do the Bounty Hunter game they'd planned because I think it would've been more popular.
Anyway, I see it as nothing to get mad about in general. It's just supposed to be fun. If it isn't fun, and there's anger involved, maybe it's time for those people to step back and reevaluate whether collecting is even something they should do at this point. In the grand scheme this whole thing means nothing really. The days of fans rallying behind one thing seem to be gone. No more ICMG-ish fun. :(
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They seriously need to check the data, the voting is rigged. Talon was ahead by 5 points 24 hours ago with 54k votes. Suddenly we have 13k new votes to push Starkiller into the lead? Yeah right. That's tampering. They should start by checking out Matthew Geoffrey Levine, who commented nonsense countless times to hide another person's earlier comment about vote tampering.
Let's do the math. 24 hours ago, Talon was at 26% and Starkiller was at 22%. There were approximately 54,500 votes. In under 24 hours, there are suddenly 13,000 new votes and Starkiller is up to 27%. To achieve that, Starkiller had to get roughly 6,500 votes, implying that the other 5 characters all got 6,500 votes COMBINED. I call shenanigans.
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"Hasbro is delighted to announce they are make not one but TWO finalists from the 2016 Hasbro Fans' Choice Poll! In addition to poll winner ________, fan favorite Clone Captain Rex will also make his debut in the Black Series 6" action figure series!" ;)
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I think it just boils down to a wide range of tastes... There's a ton of people at other sites that are all jazzed about EU stuff, old EU that is, but 'round these parts we are pretty old school (Face it, most of us are old farts now), and so we gravitate to the old stuff. While some hate to believe it though, there is a generation that grew up with the PT that have their place too, and I think the EU would resonate with them more, and thus we're seeing what we're seeing.
I like when smarter people than me say things that I want to say.
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So Yarna D'al Gargan didn't win?
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They seriously need to check the data, the voting is rigged. Talon was ahead by 5 points 24 hours ago with 54k votes. Suddenly we have 13k new votes to push Starkiller into the lead? Yeah right. That's tampering. They should start by checking out Matthew Geoffrey Levine, who commented nonsense countless times to hide another person's earlier comment about vote tampering.
Let's do the math. 24 hours ago, Talon was at 26% and Starkiller was at 22%. There were approximately 54,500 votes. In under 24 hours, there are suddenly 13,000 new votes and Starkiller is up to 27%. To achieve that, Starkiller had to get roughly 6,500 votes, implying that the other 5 characters all got 6,500 votes COMBINED. I call shenanigans.
Starkiller is at 28% now, with around 10,000 votes in the last 36 hours. Tampering for sure, but is it some crazed fan or just Hasbro swinging the vote? I'm sure they could just change the numbers to whatever they want if they decided Starkiller was a better option. I made the comments in my quote on the site yesterday and they were magically deleted. Makes me think some higher power is behind the voting manipulation.
Really disenchanted with all things Star Wars this morning...
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Less than an hour to go in the voting now. Quite a coincidence how 30,000 people all decided to vote for Jaina overnight last night. ::)
Would love to see Hasbro come out and say they are throwing out all the results because of rampant fraud. And then never do this again. :D
How come people what like Dengar ain't got computer hacking skillz??
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They overtook Hasbro's Starkiller choice? Yeah, I think it's fair to say they'll never do this again.
People that like Dengar probably can't even dress themselves. >:D
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It really wouldn't be that hard to require an email address, or use cookies, or a login, or any of a number of basic methods to limit voting to one per person.
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Just so asinine. and they don't even care the thing was a complete sham from the start. Blecchh!
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Glad to see that a couple of figures on my own list got confirmed by Hasbro today. I'm looking forward to both Qui-Gon Jinn and the Emporer's Royal Guard in a big way. And it looks like they did them pretty well.
Still, I am very surprised to see that Jaina Solo won the poll. She really got that much support? Perhaps I personally underestimated the popularity of an NJO character like hers.
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I can't say I care... I'm sure there's some kind of pimping of this there, at the show, but ultimately it's all 6" so it's off my radar regardless. Maybe it was tampered with, maybe it's just that final push like at election polls as the hour grows late. Whatever, it's done, we're getting a ton of the OT stuff people wanted just by the presentation so if Jaina gets made, more power to... uh... whoever?
Jacen not being made would be kinda dumb now, but hey, cool. :)
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I would have been happy with any of these (Starkiller would have bored me some).
Anything OTC would have been great.
But count me in the camp that's confused why so many people are confused Jaina Solo is popular.
I'm excited to have an official Hasbro release to go with my custom Jaina Pilot/tank top 6" figure.
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Could care less about this poll or suggested shenanigans. If Jania is in the Jedi outfit she had when they made her in TLC back when I'd be inclined to buy her. Glad to see a lot of notables among the voting at various sites (Lando, Royal Guard) make it regardless.
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Yeah, OT fans have to be happy here and make the Jaina pick, for whatever reason she made it, not matter that much. Still a lot of OT goodness coming.
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I'm actually really excited for a Jaina figure. While there is no doubt in my mind that the late surge of votes was tampering, she was the one figure that seemed to get the most votes in the comments throughout the week. I think there is a lot of legitimate love for that character and I like that she came out on top, even though I'd rather be looking forward to Darth Talon.
That said, I'm beyond frustrated at the tampering in the "Fan voting." There's no point in having a poll where I get a vote or two, if someone else with some hacking ability can account for thousands. Like Dave said, it wouldn't be that hard to put some controls in place to prevent this or even correct it after the fact. The Jaina surge in one day seems almost impossible, and I'm convinced the Starkiller surge the prior two days wasn't legit either. Heck, the initial jump ahead for Talon was probably tampering too if its that easy. I'd rather Hasbro just took the site votes and said, "Jaina got the most site votes, so we're making her." This charade of letting the fans vote just leaves a sour note on the whole thing, no matter who they pick.
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I'm actually really excited for a Jaina figure.
Same here. It's funny though, seeing grown men on various boards crying over voter "fraud" on the choice of which plastic toy will be made.
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I'm honestly very surprised that these EU characters make the cut ahead of things like the Gamorrean Guard, Lando, Royal Guard, etc.
OK, two things - 1) Hasbro embargo'd me from saying anything until after the SDCC panel and 2) I was on vacation last week and didn't have much time to say anything anyway. :P
When I sent in our 6" poll results, the Hasbro PR team let me know that there was a good chance a lot of the JD top six wan't going to make the final cut because Hasbro felt "it was important to make sure the top 6 candidates gave voters the chance to choose a truly new and incremental figure".
Basically anything that was already in development (like Qui-Gon, Hera, Lando, Tusken, and Royal Guard) or anything on the parking lot / short list (like 4-LOM and Zuckuss) were tossed out.
A little late I know, but I just thought I'd share that little nugget. Doesn't mean that 4-LOM and Zuckuss are officially 'confirmed' or anything, but they are definitely on the short list for the next year or two.
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So using that logic it sounds like Dengar must not be "in the parking lot" yet.
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So using that logic it sounds like Dengar must not be "in the parking lot" yet.
Not a giant surprise to find out that poor Dengar was #6 on the priority list when it came to getting the ESB bounty hunters completed... :P
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So using that logic it sounds like Dengar must not be "in the parking lot" yet.
Yeah, and the same goes for Rex? ??? I get not including the ones that were about to be announced, but you'd think the others would be fair if Rex is in the mix.
I'm actually really excited for a Jaina figure.
Same here. It's funny though, seeing grown men on various boards crying over voter "fraud" on the choice of which plastic toy will be made.
Yeah, what kind of schmucks actually speak up when they see an injustice? I mean, why can't grown men just sit around crying about the posts of other grown men all day instead?
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So next year, if there is a poll, Hasbro is suggesting to vote for the obscure OT, PT or anything Rebels, TCW, or EU?
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Yeah, what kind of schmucks actually speak up when they see an injustice?
You categorize the results as an "injustice?" Dramatic much?
Shame those grown adults aren't as passionate about real injustice.
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So next year, if there is a poll, Hasbro is suggesting to vote for the obscure OT, PT or anything Rebels, TCW, or EU?
Not exactly. You should always vote for what you want. It's just a flaw where they have to say "vote for anything" and not "vote for anything, except Lando and ERG who are coming but now we've just spoiled the SDCC surprise by saying that". :-\
Also points out that, like many others have said, this poll would work a lot better if it happened AFTER the SDCC/con reveal(s).
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You categorize the results as an "injustice?" Dramatic much?
Shame those grown adults aren't as passionate about real injustice.
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There are better forums to discuss "real injustice" than a Star Wars collecting site, don't you think? You must have something better to do than troll people who are passionate about a particular topic. As stated in another thread...
I hope anyone else out there that wants them (or anything, really) also keeps asking Hasbro and talking about it. Chatter is good. People see chatter. Chatter can change minds.
Chatter long enough and loud enough and good things happen (http://www.jedidefender.com/icmg.php). :D
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Here’s a weird bit of Information. I have been wondering about the size of an appropriately scaled Grummgar for the 1:18 or 3&3/4” figure line. The short answer is a hair under 6 inches as Grummgar should be 8.85 feet or 2.7 meters tall. I figure this as Hasbro seems to scale a six foot actor to a four inch figure, with 2 inches scaled to 3 feet.
With this in mind maybe we should vote for a 6” Grummgar in an upcoming poll.