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Title: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on August 27, 2003, 07:16 PM
I know some of are out there, Jim, Matt, myself probably more

Any way, Tommy Stinson one of the players in the neo-GNR is playing in town tonight and he gave a little dish on the 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 Chinese Democracy

Good Stuff :-*

http://www.startribune.com/stories/457/4052343.html
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Jim on August 27, 2003, 07:46 PM
A while back, I got a chance to see a live GNR DVD from overseas somewhere?  They played about 5-6 of the new songs and I was quite disappointed.  I guess the only thing keeping me around is that a reunion (although original members claim will never happen) will happen some day.  I was foruneate enough to see the original GNR several times back in the late 80's and early 90's.  
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: JediMAC on August 27, 2003, 08:07 PM
Definitely a great, though shortlived, group!  One of my auditing firm's former clients too!  Unfortunately it was the year before I started up at my job, so I missed out on all the GnR auditing fun...

Appetite for Destruction was an absolute masterpiece of an album.  We used to play Welcome to the Jungle in my dorm room all the time back in '88, since we had like 30 plants, vines, swinging gorillas, etc...  Paradise City will always be one of my all-time favorites, especially when I need to get "pumped up!"

On a side note, my wife Patty (along with her then-boyfriend) was in the November Rain video.  She shows up in the crowd shots a couple times, though if you blink, you'll miss her.  She said she had a blast as an extra for that day!

Really too bad the guys hate eachother now.  Also unfortunate to see how out of shape (vocally and physically) Axel was at that surprise MTV performance last year at... what was it?  The VMA's?  Fun to see him back up on the stage, but sad that he was completely winded within 2 minutes, and that Slash was obviously nowhere to be found.

Hopefully they'll reunite someday.  Doesn't sound like it though...   :-\
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on August 27, 2003, 09:22 PM
Dude, Patty was in the November Rain video.  I knew I shouldn't of shipped her back to you.  Damn.  Every wedding I am in I always reenact the scene where Slash can't find the wedding ring and Duff has it...Classic

I am keeping an open mind, the show last fall by my account was great on the old stuff. Axl was awesome, the band was more than an adequate cover band.  The new stuff was so so, it is hard to get into something when you only hear it once.  I find the same with Pearl Jam for myself, new album comes out, three or four songs stick out as great the rest really grow on you.  

Like I said in Jim's thread, I have hope in the man.  If he ever decides to get it done finally :-*
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Morgbug on August 27, 2003, 10:34 PM
GnR is fantastic.  I saw them back around 1987 I think when they came through as the warm up act for The Cult.  Pretty cool and raunchy.  

Touring through Australia (me, not them) I couldn't get enough of sweet child of mine.  To this day, that song reminds me of being in so many places in Australia :D

Some bittersweet memories with them too, though.  A good buddy of mine that I worked in a restaurant with was a huge fan.  He had gotten married, moved away and was going to broadcast school when he apparently killed himself :-\ :'( >:(  GNR was played at his funeral.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on August 28, 2003, 09:36 AM
Estranged was a song I listened to over and over again when I broke up with my girlfriend in college.  There are a bunch of songs like Estranged that you don't really get the meaning of until you lose love.  

Its been said before by a lot of people (inlcuding most of us) but the whole UYI set could have been pared to 1 CD and been epic...

Problem is most of the songs I would include are all the long ones...

Civil War
Don't Cry
Knockin' On Heaven's Door
November Rain
Yesterdays
Estranged
Get In The Ring
Breakdown
Double Talkin' Jive
Pretty Tied Up
Locomotive
You Could Be Mine
Don't Damn Me  
Dead Horse
Coma

Cases could be made for Bad Apples, The Garden, Dust n' Bones and So Fine (Duff Sings!) as well.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Virex on August 28, 2003, 09:59 AM
Its been said before by a lot of people (inlcuding most of us) but the whole UYI set could have been pared to 1 CD and been epic...

Problem is most of the songs I would include are all the long ones...

Civil War
Don't Cry
Knockin' On Heaven's Door
November Rain
Yesterdays
Estranged
Get In The Ring
Breakdown
Double Talkin' Jive
Pretty Tied Up
Locomotive
You Could Be Mine
Don't Damn Me  
Dead Horse
Coma

Cases could be made for Bad Apples, The Garden, Dust n' Bones and So Fine (Duff Sings!) as well.

That's really farkin' weird that you made this post, man, because just last week, I made a list for my own ultimate Illusion album:

 1. Live and Let Die
 2. Don't Cry (Original)
 3. November Rain
 4. Coma
 5. Civil War
 6. Yesterdays
 7. Knockin' On Heaven's Door
 8. Breakdown
 9. Locomotive
10. Estranged
11. You Could Be Mine

Added up the track lengths, and got roughly 75 minutes, so I stopped there.  

And, eight of those tracks are over five minutes long--I could probably toss Coma, Breakdown, or Locomotive, and add Double Talkin' Jive, Dead Horse, and one other shorter track and be just as happy.  

If they could have trimmed everything down, and released just one album--holy crap, that would have been amazing.  But, as usual, Axl's over-indulgent, post-Appetite-success bloat, screwed everything up.

Anyway, here's the cover and the track-listing for the horrible one-disc record that you can find at Wal-Mart, K-Mart, and other stores that are too frightened to handle the individual albums:

(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000DAHK.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)

 1. Live and Let Die
 2. Don't Cry (Original)
 3. You Ain't the First
 4. November Rain
 5. The Garden
 6. Dead Horse
 7. Civil War
 8. 14 Years
 9. Yesterdays
10. Knockin' On Heaven's Door
11. Estranged
12. Don't Cry (Alternate)

So, not only does this disc include both versions of Don't Cry, but it also has You Ain't the First--which is probably one of the most uninteresting songs on the two records.  Plus, this disc only comes out to around 64 minutes worth of music, and surely they could have found another ten minutes worth of (clean) tunes to put on.  That CD sucks.  
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on August 28, 2003, 10:39 AM
I could never leave off Coma, Breakdown or Locomotive sorry and I am pissed I forgot Live and Let Die.  Maybe that is the same quandry the left themselves in and just started making stuff up on the spot to fill in the gaps.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Mikey D on August 28, 2003, 12:37 PM
I am a huge GnR fan.  Appetite was great, Lies ok and both UYIs were awesome.  Never got to see them live, but wished I had.  
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Jim on August 28, 2003, 01:41 PM
Two words:  "Rocket Queen"

One of the most underated and not played enough songs.  BTW, does anyone still find Appetite just as fresh as it was the day it was released?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Darth Broem on August 28, 2003, 04:41 PM
I LOVED those Guns N Roses albums.  Too bad they were shorted lived.  I doubt they will ever reunite.  I don't see how they are ever going to get that Chines Democracy album out.  Maybe before I die.  Maybe.  The Cubs have a better chance at making the World Series I think.  Ha-ha!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on September 17, 2003, 07:48 AM
What were you guys doing twelve years ago today?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on September 17, 2003, 09:57 AM
Release of the UYI Discs?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on September 17, 2003, 10:53 AM
Exactly.

September 17, 1991.  That date's pretty much burned into my brain.

All I had been listening to, for the past six months or so, was basically GN'R (with the exception of Skid Row's Slave to the Grind, which came out in June).  Be it Appetite, or Lies, or the three "new" songs ("Civil War", "Knockin' on Heaven's Door", and "You Could Be Mine").  Several rumored dates came and went, but they finally announced that September 17 was the big day.

The Monday before at school was spent talking about the new albums, the amazing new "Don't Cry" single and video, and since a local record store had announced that they were going to be doing a midnight release party--I spent several of my classes in determining who all I would be buying for, and which versions (CD or tape), and how much money it would all cost--nobody else's parents were gonna let them go to this thing.

(Somehow, I had convinced my mom to drive me--I was fifteen at the time--to the record store at midnight, which was no small task.  She's never been one for driving at night, and we lived on the outskirts of town, which meant that we wouldn't be back home until at least one in the morning when it was all said and done.  At first, I like to think that I was amazed that she agreed to take me to this thing, but then I get to thinking that she realized what a pain-in-the-ass I would have been if I didn't get to go that night.  I would have bitched the entire time until I got them the next day--that is, if I didn't skip school in the morning to get them.)

So, anyway, Mom took me to the party, and she and my sister stayed in the car as I went inside and joined the mob.  They were piping the new albums over the speakers, and I kept one eye on the boxes of the CDs I could see behind the counter, and the other eye on the clock, which was ever-so-slowly counting down to twelve A.M.

Finally, midnight hit, and I waited in line to buy my copies of the album.  Thinking back on it, I bought a set of tapes for me, a set of CDs for my best friend Brian, I think another set of tapes for someone I've forgotten, and, last but not least, a tape of the new Mariah Carey album, which also came out that day, for my then-girlfriend Amy (big Mariah fan).  I think I spent something like eighty or ninety dollars that night.

Went home, told Mom I'd "go to bed", and then I think I stayed up until three or four in the morning listening to the new albums.  Got up a couple of hours later, threw all my loot in my bookbag, and headed off to school.

Hooked Brian up with his two CDs (which were a late surprise birthday present) the first thing that morning, and then I think I spent the rest of the day bringing out my new tapes in every class period, showing them off--as most everybody else would have to wait until after school had gotten out to get their copies.

I don't know how many days weeks went by before I listened to something other than those albums.  I spent a lot of that time thinking about how GN'R was going to kick the crap out of Garth Brooks' new album (no small task here in his home state of Oklahoma) which came out a week before the Illusions did.  And while they were on the top of the charts for a few weeks, that was short-lived until, I believe, Garth regained the top spot.

And, just a week after September 17th, Nirvana quietly released Nevermind, which later went on to change the world, in just a few short months (and who's success was certainly a contributing factor to the implosion of GN'R just a couple of years later).

Well, ultimately, the Illusion albums weren't nearly what they could have been (or "it" should have been, as I detailed in an above post), but, they're still pretty good albums, and, at the time, it was a pretty monumental release.

Good times.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on September 17, 2003, 10:57 AM
I only had a cassette player at the time, Dead Horse into Coma had that goofy tape eating sound, I about crapped my pants when I first heard that thinking my tape player had eaten my new tape!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on September 17, 2003, 11:15 AM
Off-topic from the Illusion albums but still on-topic as far as "Guns N' Roses" goes:

I saw a little quip in an issue of Esquire recently:

Quote
The Esquire 70 (as in, the seventy things that make us very happy to be alive today):

38.  The race between the long-rumored release of Guns N' Roses' Chinese Democracy and actual democracy in China.

In the same issue, they were also voted in as "Greatest squandered talent".

Woo-hoo!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on September 17, 2003, 11:22 AM
Oooh, I forgot this one but I read it a couple of days ago in the Rolling Stone...

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

A new Guns N'Roses track was aired on US radio after being leaked by an unlikely source - a top-flight baseball player.

The latest unusual twist in the G N'R saga began when New York Mets catcher Mike Piazza was mysteriously sent the CD in the post simply marked 'New GNR'.

Reports in the US detail how Piazza - making one of his regular appearances on the Friday Night Rocks ... With Eddie Trunk, a nationally syndicated show on New York's classic rock station Q104.3 - urged the DJ to play a track, 'I.R.S', during his guest spot just after midnight.

"It reminded me of 'Use Your Illusion'-era stuff, with some modern flairs to it," said DJ Eddie Trunk.

"The song had a loop track in the beginning, but then, when it kicked in, it was that same dramatic Guns N' Roses hard rock."

Predictably calls came flooding in from listeners and the band's management were soon on the phone and "flipped" out according to the station director of programming.

"We've gotten hundreds, dare I say thousands, of e-mails since, urging us to play it again," said Bob Buchmann. "But we can't because the management flipped when they heard it on the air."

The CD was hastily collected and representatives from Guns N'Roses would not comment but the track has already surfaced on popular peer-to-peer music sites.

Axl Rose himself played the long-awaited new material in a Las Vegas strip club to apparently seek the dancer's approval.

According to the band's official site, news on the much-delayed album, 'Chinese Democracy', will be published 'very soon'.

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on September 17, 2003, 11:43 AM
A new Guns N'Roses track was aired on US radio after being leaked by an unlikely source - a top-flight baseball player.

The latest unusual twist in the G N'R saga began when New York Mets catcher Mike Piazza was mysteriously sent the CD in the post simply marked 'New GNR'.

Reminds me of the other well-known jock GN'R fans, from back in the day--Tony Mandarich (Green Bay Packer flop) and tennis burn-out Jennifer Capriati.  Both were professed big GN'R fans.

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Axl Rose himself played the long-awaited new material in a Las Vegas strip club to apparently seek the dancer's approval.

Foolish Axl.

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According to the band's official site, news on the much-delayed album, 'Chinese Democracy', will be published 'very soon'.

Hmmm.  Color me more excited about this news about Velvet Revolver:

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RCA Holsters Velvet Revolver

Velvet Revolver is officially locked and loaded.

After rumors, road bumps, and name changes, the supergroup featuring Stone Temple Pilots' vocalist Scott Weiland fronting former Guns N' Roses guitarist Slash, bassist Duff McKagan and drummer Matt Sorum, along with Suicidal Tendencies guitarist Dave Kushner have signed a recording deal with RCA. The band plans to release its debut next year.

"We're thrilled to partner with RCA Records and its legendary chief, the enigmatic Clive Davis," says Velvet Revolver in a statement. "We believe this marriage will be a loyal, dedicated and fruitful relationship not based solely on business, but instead on the thing that once dared us all to dream--music."

"This is a milestone signing for RCA," says Clive Davis, who serves as chairman/CEO of RCA Music Group. "Velvet Revolver is distinguished by not only its powerhouse musicianship but also by its new material. The songs I've heard will propel this group to the very forefront of rock music today."

Fans' first live dose of Velvet Revolver came in June, when the group played a short set of covers and originals at the El Rey Theater in Los Angeles. Bootlegs of that mini concert quickly circulated online, and the group initially planned to release a DVD and EP of the show. But those plans were scrapped as the band, the most buzzed-about "can't-miss" group since Audioslave--entertained offers from major labels.

Though the rockers haven't performed publicly since, they did release songs on two summer soundtracks, a cover of Pink Floyd's "Money" for The Italian Job and the original "Set Me Free" on The Hulk.

Formed by the Guns N' Roses remnants as Reloaded, the group spent a considerable time searching for the right vocalist. Among those rumored in contention for microphone duty: Courtney Love, Days of the New's Travis Meeks, Lit's A. Jay Popoff and early frontrunner Sebastian Bach of Skid Row. Weiland, who says he was deep into recording his second solo album at the time, ultimately took the coveted vocalist spot. (His move put Stone Temple Pilots on an even longer hiatus, though there is a STP greatest hits album said to be in the works.)

With the core lineup established, the group changed its name from Reloaded to Velvet Revolver, but it almost was disarmed when Weiland's drug problem resurfaced. The singer was busted again last May on two counts of felony drug possession. In a press conference preceding the June 19 show at the El Rey Theater, McKagan noted that it could have happened to anyone in the band--and in fact has in the past.

Velvet Revolver, currently in the studio doing preproduction, already have dozens of songs in their arsenal, including a few written with another ex-Gunner, Izzy Stradlin. The group has already recorded "Slither" with producer Bob Ezrin (KISS, Pink Floyd) and "Loving the Aliens (Sometimes)" with Josh Abraham (Orgy, Staind), though it's unsure if these will appear on the final album.

The band will not likely play live again before the release of the disc to prevent further online song swapping of its material.

Yahoo! News link (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/eo/20030910/en_music_eo/12477)

Chinese Democracy is vaporware.
Title: GNR DVD's, anyone got 'em?
Post by: Jim on October 30, 2003, 08:13 AM
Still havent got around to picking these up.  Need some input here.  Not interested in the videos but would like the live Illusions from Japan.  Scott, can ya help?  BTW, for you fans of the original band, looks like Velvet Revolver may never take off.  That dumb a$$ Weiland got arrested again.  This time DUI, under the influence of narcotics, hitting parked cars and fleeing the scene.  I just have no more patience or feel bad for this clown anymore.  Strike 3 your out!  Maybe a GNR reunion may take off eventually. ::)
Title: Re: GNR DVD's, anyone got 'em?
Post by: Scott on October 30, 2003, 09:47 AM
Yeah heard that about Weiland this morning

I haven't bought either of the three DVD's

Welcome to the Video's
Use Your Illusion I and II

I have all three on tape and am not in a huge rush to get them, I was planning on asking for them for Christmas

I saw Best Buy had the Videos one for $11.99 which is a steal
Title: Re: GNR DVD's, anyone got 'em?
Post by: Matt on October 30, 2003, 04:55 PM
. . .looks like Velvet Revolver may never take off.  That dumb a$$ Weiland got arrested again.  This time DUI, under the influence of narcotics, hitting parked cars and fleeing the scene. . .

Are you kidding me?

Hell, that's vintage G N' R behavior, my friend.  Maybe the old Guns guys are putting Scott Weiland through some hazing or something, to get him up to speed on the G N' R way of things. . .  :)  

Their album will be out sometime next year, and I'm looking forward to it much more than Axl's project.  I guess there's a joke going around that says we'll see real Chinese democracy before that album comes out. . .

As for the DVDs--I'll get 'em when I get 'em.  No rush.  I've got them all on VHS, which I hardly ever watch, anyway--and these things are basically the exact same stuff.

Oh, and that reminds me!  I heard last night, that Geffen released the DVDs without Axl's "permission", so now Axl's record company is suing Geffen.  Apparently, there was a (crappy) Guns N' Roses Greatest Hits CD that was scheduled for a November 25 release, which has now been delayed due to the lawsuit.

Sounds a bit silly, but then again, this is Axl we're talking about. . .

More as I find it.

Title: Re: GNR DVD's, anyone got 'em?
Post by: Matt on October 30, 2003, 05:43 PM
Here are a couple of threads, from the Home Theatre Forum and DVD Talk, regarding the new DVDs:

Guns N' Roses DVDs Avaliable October 28th (HTF) (http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=165112)

Guns n' roses dvd's coming Oct 28th!!! (DVD Talk) (http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=325859&perpage=25&pagenumber=1)

(Watch that HTF thread, though--it was derailed halfway through by some ****** from Oklahoma who couldn't shut up about the concert he went to back in the day. . .)

And this is supposedly the track-listing for the Greatest Hits CD:

01. Welcome To The Jungle
02. Sweet Child O' Mine
03. Patience
04. Paradise City
05. Knockin' On Heaven's Door
06. Civil War
07. You Could Be Mine
08. Don't Cry
09. November Rain
10. Live And Let Die
11. Yesterdays
12. Ain't It Fun
13. Since I Don't Have You
14. Sympathy For The Devil

What a piece of crap.  No "Estranged", but yet we have the horrid cover of "Sympathy".  And no rare or live tracks--the Live at the Ritz version of "Knockin'" from 1988 would have been cool--that was all over the radio in late '88 and '89.  

('Course, if they added a rare or live track that I didn't already have, I'd be pissed, too--having to buy it just for that one track, but I digress. . .)  :)

Oh well.  Doesn't look like it's coming out, anyway.

Title: Re: GNR DVD's, anyone got 'em?
Post by: Scott on October 31, 2003, 12:20 PM
There should be a whole disc full of B-sides and unreleased tracks to do the release justice.

The Sympathy inclusion is laughable at best especially when they leave out Estranged

Glad that this actually ISN'T coming

Sad thing on Weiland, it is only a matter of time until he goes Layne Staley on the world  :(
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on December 3, 2003, 10:24 AM
Pretty strong rumor that Gn'R will again play Rock n' Rio in Portugal as well as a Euro tour next Spring.  Wake up its time to Die!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on December 3, 2003, 12:10 PM
Weird that this was bumped--I had a dream last night that involved an old girlfriend singing "Sweet Child O' Mine", for some reason.  I have no idea why.  Maybe it was a way of letting me know that this thread was going to be bumped.   :o

And, Axl, how about you finish your album before you do any more touring, huh?  (http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)

What a ******* moron.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Rob on December 4, 2003, 12:07 AM
I wasn't a big G N' F'N' R fan through the glory years... I mean, sure, they had a few good songs, and Slash was okay at guitar... But I feel very strongly that they didn't really start coming together as a band until more recently...

...when they started playing with buckethead.

(http://www.intimateaudio.com/NAMM03Buckethead.jpg)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on December 18, 2003, 12:49 PM
Heard on the radio today that Buckethead played the gee-tar on Viggo Mortensen's latest CD...

Aragorn and Buckethead, reunited at last

http://www.vh1.com/news/articles/1480593/20031121/index.jhtml?headlines=true
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on January 22, 2004, 06:25 PM
Hey, would someone (who can still post at Rebelscum) do me a personal favor and set this guy Barada straight for me regarding the release of "Civil War"?

His quote:

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Here's the story on Civil War. When they released the single for You Could Be Mine as a tie-in to T2, they used Civil War as the B-Side song. With GnR being so huge at the time, and the song being so good, radio picked it up immediately.

I know this because I have the single for YCBM, and still remember the first time I heard it.

Yes, "Civil War" was released as a b-side on the "You Could Be Mine" single in June 1991, but it was first released on the "Nobody's Child" compilation in the middle of 1990.  The "Nobody's Child" album was a compilation of a bunch of (mostly) classic rockers, to benefit Romanian orphans or something.

Here's a link to Amazon:

Link (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000008IZT/qid%3D1074813385/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/104-7400191-8461518)

Almost a year later, it was re-released on the "YCBM" single, which pissed me off at the time, because I thought they should have released a never-before-released song on the single instead.

Another UYI song was officially released in 1990, a full year before the albums officially came out:  "Knockin' on Heaven's Door", on the soundtrack for "Days of Thunder".

Anyway, if someone wouldn't mind clarifying that, that would be greeeaaaat.  I'd do it myself, but, well, you know. . .   :-\

And Scott (since I know you're reading anyway), how you or any other GN'R fan could list their cover of "Sympathy for the Devil" as one of their greatest is beyond me.  What an absolutely terrible, terrible cover of a classic, classic song.  Disgraceful.  

Axl sucks.

I love Axl.

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: JediMAC on January 22, 2004, 06:52 PM
How'd that be?  LMK if you want anything added or revised!

- M
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on January 22, 2004, 07:02 PM
How'd that be?  LMK if you want anything added or revised!

- M

You rule, dude.  

Thanks, brother.

Let me know if I can return the favor by perhaps posting something in your behalf at the www.baggysweater.com forums sometime. . .

 :-\
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: JediMAC on January 22, 2004, 07:24 PM
Let me know if I can return the favor by perhaps posting something in your behalf at the www.baggysweater.com forums sometime. . .

Why would you need to do that?  I haven't been banned there that I know of...   ???
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on January 22, 2004, 10:02 PM
Was that Po'V's Greatest Hits list???  I happened to like that Sympathy for the Devil...its good, it would be good for the 2 disc dream compilation

If you are running Geffen (which last I checked you weren't) feel free to leave it off...and Axl, if you're out there reading this thread right now, release the damn thing already!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on January 23, 2004, 07:38 AM
If you are running Geffen (which last I checked you weren't) feel free to leave it off...

 :-[

Well, I have spoken with Axl and Slash on the phone, back in the day (oh, and Duff, too), and have an autographed CD of theirs, so, well. . .  Yeah, that doesn't mean much, I guess, just wanted to brag a little.

But. . .  there doesn't need to be no damn Guns N' Roses greatest hits CD.  Their body of work is too small to begin with.  It'd be like doing "The Best of the Divinyls" or something. . .

And as far as "Sympathy for the Devil" goes, well, if Keith Richards were mortal and dead at the time of it's release, he would have been spinning in his grave. . .
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: JediMAC on January 23, 2004, 08:16 AM
It'd be like doing "The Best of the Divinyls" or something. . .

Take (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDMISS70401230813252550&sql=A4usyxdkbjolk)...   your (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDMISS70401230813252550&sql=A21rn282t05ja)...   pick (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDMISS70401230813252550&sql=Aqwarqj7ioj0a).   :-*
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on January 23, 2004, 06:33 PM
Filler.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on January 23, 2004, 06:37 PM
Take (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDMISS70401230813252550&sql=A4usyxdkbjolk)...   your (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDMISS70401230813252550&sql=A21rn282t05ja)...   pick (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDMISS70401230813252550&sql=Aqwarqj7ioj0a).   :-*

You know, Matt, it's posts like these which make me wonder why I even bother posting here at all.

I mean, sh!t, if you're going to show me up and expose me for the moron that I am, fine.

But to link to a bunch of Divinyls albums without even posting a pic of a cover of their big record?  That's criminal.

(http://www.frontiernet.net/~tpage/divinyls.gif)

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: JediMAC on January 25, 2004, 05:50 AM
But to link to a bunch of Divinyls albums without even posting a pic of a cover of their big record?  That's criminal.

Sorry Plain ol', but that's just their Greatest Hit album.  I thought we were talking about Greatest Hits albums...  Now please try to stay on topic, as this is a Gn'R thread, not a thread about touching yourself.  I believe that one can be found right here (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?board=28;action=display;threadid=338).  Thank you.  Carry on.   :-*
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on February 2, 2004, 12:11 AM
Sorry Plain ol', but that's just their Greatest Hit album.  I thought we were talking about Greatest Hits albums...  Now please try to stay on topic, as this is a Gn'R thread, not a thread about touching yourself.  I believe that one can be found right here (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?board=28;action=display;threadid=338).  Thank you.  Carry on.   :-*

Whatever.

Anyway, according to Pause and Play (http://www.pauseandplay.com/cdfront.htm) (which is a great resource for dates for upcoming CDs and music-related DVDs, by the way), the release date for the Velvet Revolver CD is May 18th.  The album is titled "Comrades".

Velvet Revolver, of course, is the spiritual successor to Guns N' Roses, just without the name. . .

And this just in:  Axl still sucks.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on February 7, 2004, 12:22 PM
Forgot to post this yesterday, but here it is:

Our hero, W. Axl Rose turned 42 yesterday.

I don't know what's more sad:  The fact that Axl is two years over the hill, or the fact that a 28-year-old man knows what Axl Rose's birthday is.

"You make the call."
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on February 12, 2004, 09:39 AM
Rumor has it the Greatest Hits CD might be coming out in March ;)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on February 12, 2004, 10:02 AM
(http://www.antville.org/img/potelinho/axl.jpg)

Happy Belated Birthday Axl, I love you too
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on February 12, 2004, 03:46 PM
That Axl--he is one handsome fella.  Doesn't look a day older than. . .  41.  It's the dreadlocks.

Hear he's doing a free concert tonight, at the California State mental hospital he's incarcerated in. . .

You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on February 12, 2004, 03:47 PM
Psst, I'm Axl Rose
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on February 13, 2004, 09:37 PM
Psst, I'm Axl Rose

Yeah. . .  all of. . .  ten minutes, was it?

(A lesser man would stick a rolleyes right about here)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on February 13, 2004, 10:48 PM
Yeah 10 minutes, I was on a pretty weird kick then, I then realized the impersonating a Rock Star bit was already done and done sorta poorly, no need to have it done twice ::)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on February 13, 2004, 11:03 PM
Yeah 10 minutes,

Yeah.

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I was on a pretty weird kick then,

Yeah.

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I then realized the impersonating a Rock Star bit was already done

Yeah.

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and done sorta poorly,

Yeah.

. . .

What?!?!

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no need to have it done twice ::)

Yeah.

Hey, for this thread, I thought I'd add that big ol' Axl Rant from the 1992 Oklahoma bootleg that I love so much, that I typed up and used in a Rebelscum thread last year.

So, I've been searching for it over there, and of course, it's nowhere to be found, so I guess someone "moved" it or something.

I was recently listening to a bootleg audio cassette I had of the 1992 Paris pay-per-view show--Axl goes on this crazy, crazy spiel about Warren Beatty, from totally out of nowhere.

'Course, most of it, shouldn't really be typed-up here, especially with all of the seven- and eight-year olds we have running around here as of late, but man, what a mentally disturbed interesting individual, that Axl. . .

Parasitic needs. . .
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on February 13, 2004, 11:10 PM
Somehow there was a connection of Warren Beatty and Stephanie Seymour if I remember right, speaking of which...
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on February 19, 2004, 12:48 PM
Hey.

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GNR's 'Hits' Coming Before New Album (http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=2092185)

While work continues on Guns N' Roses' endlessly delayed album "Chinese Democracy," Geffen has set a March 23 release date for "Greatest Hits," compiling 14 of the hard rock act's best-known tracks. The album boasts such favorites as "Welcome to the Jungle," "Sweet Child O' Mine," "Patience," "Paradise City" and a cover of the Rolling Stones' "Sympathy for the Devil" from the "Interview With a Vampire" soundtrack.

This is the third archival Guns N' Roses release since last fall, when Geffen issued DVDs of the home videos "Welcome to the Videos" and the two-volume "Use Your Illusion."

However, according to sources, the band did not give its consent for "Greatest Hits" to move forward and may pursue legal action to block its release.

As previously reported, the Axl Rose-led group will return to the live stage May 30 at the Rock in Rio-Lisbon festival in Lisbon, Portugal. It will be GNR's first live appearance since a disastrous 2002 comeback tour, which was canceled with 13 dates remaining.

As for "Chinese Democracy," it is unknown when the album will be released. Bassist Tommy Stinson told Billboard.com last year that finishing touches were being applied to the set before it would be sent off for mixing.

Here is the track list for "Greatest Hits":

"Welcome to the Jungle"
"Sweet Child O' Mine"
"Patience"
"Paradise City"
"Knockin' on Heaven's Door"
"Civil War"
"You Could Be Mine"
"Don't Cry"
"November Rain"
"Live and Let Die"
"Yesterdays"
"Ain't It Fun"
"Since I Don't Have You"
"Sympathy for the Devil"

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What a load of crap.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on February 19, 2004, 04:16 PM
Billy, I burned a copy of the copy you burned for me for my buddy and he sends along much gratitude and thanks for one of the best concerts he has ever heard.  I agree with him, that show is pure magic...the whole Axl rant is perfection
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on February 19, 2004, 06:51 PM
Billy, I burned a copy of the copy you burned for me for my buddy and he sends along much gratitude and thanks for one of the best concerts he has ever heard.  I agree with him, that show is pure magic...the whole Axl rant is perfection

Yeah, if it sounds good today, just imagine being a 16-year old kid, at the first concert you ever attended, when G N' R was still "The Biggest Band in the World", and your favorite band for the past four years.

What a show it was.

And actually--I think that audio bootleg was actually taken from a video bootleg of the show, which was taken from the video feed for the big screens for the audience to look at.  (What a terribly-constructed sentence that was, but I had no idea how else to put it.)

Anyway, there are DVD bootlegs of that show that pop up on Ebay from time to time, for around $10-20 or so--I just haven't really bothered to pick one up yet (don't do too much Ebay business). . .
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on February 29, 2004, 03:24 PM
So I got those UYI 1992 DVDs the other day, and (kinda) watched (most of) them--probably the first time I've really watched them in around ten years or so.  And I tell you--it was disappointing.  Not talking about the DVDs themselves (although they are half-assed, and do suck)--but I'm talking about the whole performance.

I don't know if I just did notice it back then, and didn't care, because I loved them so much, or just didn't notice at all, because I was a moron, but man, that was some goofy stuff.  What it made me start thinking about was that I didn't even really see Guns N' Roses twice in 1992--I saw the bastardized, bloated, corporate sell-out version of the lean and mean late eighties G N' R.  

Here's what I've got problems with:

Trying to think of what else. . .

Oh yeah.

I'm done for now.

Although, to balance it out, here's a list of things that were always cool about GN'R:

I've changed.  The music is still fine, but man, my attitude towards that show has done a complete reversal in the decade or so since I've seen it last. . .
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on February 29, 2004, 03:31 PM
And I meant to add this--but seeing those DVDs really made me wish that someone would release the "Live at the Ritz" show from MTV--from New York in '88, right when they were getting huge.

It'll never happen, but from what I remember, that show kicked ass.  All Appetite--no silly horns, backup singers, teleprompters, keyboards, or costume changes.  Izzy and Steven, all that.

If someone could release that show (or some other, pre-1990 show, like the shows that they opened for the Stones in L.A. in '89), that would be dee-lish.

And on another note:

Scott, if I find out that you (or anyone else here) bought the new Greatest Hits CD after it comes out--I will track you down, and beat the hell out of you.

Fair warning.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on February 29, 2004, 03:46 PM
Flibity Floo

Those shows are not the greatest, I think Axl is hoarse in a lot of songs and a lot of the stuff you point out Matt is spot on...

No worries on the Greatest Hits...I'll be saving my $12 for when Chinese Democracy comes out
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on February 29, 2004, 04:07 PM
No worries on the Greatest Hits...I'll be saving my $12 for when Chinese Democracy comes out

Heh.

Tell you what--tomorrow, go down to your bank, and open up a special savings account, 'specially for Chinese Democracy.  Put the twelve bucks in, and by the time that record finally comes out, you will have earned hundreds thousands tens of thousands of dollars on interest on it. . .
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on March 2, 2004, 01:02 PM
Coverart and official site :-* :-*

http://www.hyperlaunch.com/gnr/

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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on March 2, 2004, 01:08 PM
Coverart and official site :-* :-*

http://www.hyperlaunch.com/gnr/

Oh, man, thanks to your vague-ness, I was thinking this was actually for Chinese Democracy before I got to the site.

I like the cover, though, for the Greatest Hits--although not having that outer circle of the logo in that yellow looks a little strange.

Funny thing about the GH disc--I'm pissed that they aren't including a bonus CD or DVD or something, with maybe some rare tracks or footage, but at the same time, I'm also glad that they're not including anything extra, so I don't have to buy it. . .
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on March 4, 2004, 01:51 PM
How much unreleased stuff you think there is...seems like they exhausted the vault to get the UYI stuff done
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Jim on March 4, 2004, 02:00 PM
Scott, besides unreleased studio songs (which sometimes showed up at live shows) and cover songs, I would say at least a full albums worth. I know I have 5-6 unreleased songs floating around on tape somewhere.  Here are unreleased songs that I know exist in good quality if you can find them.

Crash Diet - rejected from Use Your Illusion
Bring It Back Home - rejected from Use Your Illusion
Ain't Goin' Down - rejected from Use Your Illusion
Sentimental Movie - rejected from Use Your Illusion
Just Another Sunday - rejected from Use Your Illusion

Down On The Streets - rejected from Spaghetti Incident
Waiting For My Ruca - rejected from Spaghetti Incident

Their are some unreleased "Appetite" songs as well.  As far as the "Live at Ritz" show, it can be tracked down.  I had a copy on vinyl back in '89 (not all the songs were included) and have seen it several times on bootleg but have been hesitant to purchase due to sound quality issues.  



Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on March 5, 2004, 10:22 AM
Crash Diet - rejected from Use Your Illusion
Bring It Back Home - rejected from Use Your Illusion
Ain't Goin' Down - rejected from Use Your Illusion
Sentimental Movie - rejected from Use Your Illusion
Just Another Sunday - rejected from Use Your Illusion

Yeah, and anyone who's heard those songs will agree that they're best left "unreleased".  I mean--if they didn't make the cut on a thirty-track record to begin with. . .

There's other stuff they could release, too--tracks like "Shadow of Your Love", the original demo of "Don't Cry", and some of the live UYI tracks which were released as b-sides back in the day.

Quote
As far as the "Live at Ritz" show, it can be tracked down.  I had a copy on vinyl back in '89 (not all the songs were included) and have seen it several times on bootleg but have been hesitant to purchase due to sound quality issues.

Bootleg DVD?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Jim on March 5, 2004, 10:51 AM
The DVD version of "Ritz" can be easily tracked down on Ebay for those interested at around $20.  

What I have been trying to locate is some of the early demo stuff with Tracii Guns on guitar.  Anyone get a chance to hear any of it?  I heard one song years back but the quality sucked.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on March 7, 2004, 12:27 PM
Maybe I'll pick up that Ritz DVD on Ebay at the same time I finally get around to picking up the 1992 Oklahoma DVD, too.  Thanks for the tip.

And I myself, have never heard any of the Tracii Guns stuff.

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So I finally got my "Welcome to the Videos" DVD the other day, and just now realized that my purchasing it, along with the UYI DVDs, is perhaps a sign that I officially have more money than I know what to do with.

Well, not really.

But man, it sucks too.

Of course, we all know that "You Could Be Mine" was left off, due to the T2 footage (and the video has been left off all the T2 DVDs because of the GN'R footage, natch) but something I just realized:

They didn't include the "new" videos they did for the "Live Era 87/93" release back in '99!  

IIRC, they did a "new" video for "Jungle"--which was just a compilation of a bunch of live footage.  I think they might have done a similar one for "It's So Easy", too, but I never saw that one.

Thanks, Geffen/Universal, for throwing the fans a bone, and including the new videos with the new DVD.

Oh, wait.  You didn't.

"Copyright 1998".  Good stuff.

Jesus Christ, the older I get, and the more I think about this band and their record label, and how things have been handled by everyone involved, the more disgusted I become. . .
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on March 9, 2004, 01:53 AM
Hey, for this thread, I thought I'd add that big ol' Axl Rant from the 1992 Oklahoma bootleg that I love so much, that I typed up and used in a Rebelscum thread last year.

So, I've been searching for it over there, and of course, it's nowhere to be found, so I guess someone "moved" it or something.

Hey, look what I found!

(You'll have to fill in the blanks, kids.)

Quote
You believe all the **** you read?

I said, you believe all the **** you read?

You ever wonder why you're given so much **** to read?

You're given a lot of **** to read . . .because. . . there's a lot of ****in' people out there who, uh. . . I don't think I should even give them the credit to say they're very conscious of that which they are doing. . .

But it's mainly because they don't want things like this post here at Rebelscum to ****ing happen.

Yeah, there's a, there's a lot of people who don't know why they do things. . . But some of the reasons behind that, are they don't want the people like you, that are here today, to see some little loud-mouthed ****er like me, who crawled out of some ****hole somewhere, and worked his way up onto this message board!

They don't want--there's something out there that doesn't want people like you to realize that you can do whatever the **** you want with your goddamn life.

And unless--there are those, that unless they got a piece of the pie, unless they got a piece of your *** , unless they got a piece of your life, they just don't want it to happen. You do it their way, or you don't do it.

Well they can suck my **** .

I believe that deep inside everybody, there's something inside you that knows what the **** it is you're supposed to do with your life, and no matter what anybody tells you, if you keep lookin', and if you keep diggin', you're gonna find it, and you can be the person you're ****in' meant to be on this goddamn planet.

And don't let anybody, anybody ever get in your way. . . including me.

And I know it's not, like the most humane thing, but, you can, uh, when it gets real rough, you can think of a little theme song, that somebody wrote, namely Mr. Paul McCartney. And when they're tryin' to keep you down, just hold on and know that someday, you'll bust out and you'll get under your own **** and they won't be able to ****ing keep up with your *** , and you can be thinking: Just live and let die, mother****er.

Motivational Speaking by Virex (http://forums.rebelscum.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=9;t=011386)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on March 9, 2004, 11:22 PM
That's classic, fivehorizons posted this a few weeks ago...Wes C Addle at the show I went to in Milwaukee

"Power to the people man.... The real people, the people that work, not the people that sit in their towers, and try to run the whole thing, thinking that we're too stupid to notice what they're doing! They get us in our little holes, and our boxes, and our cages and they show us American Idol and American Gladiators and American .... blowjob, butt****, whatever. And everyone watches with baited breath. Oh, who's going to get a blowjob tonight? What American's going to get a blowjob tonight? When in reality, you could be getting one yourself instead of watching the ******* TV, I don't know. I digress. I'm going to get a guitar."
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on March 10, 2004, 12:57 AM
That's classic, fivehorizons posted this a few weeks ago...Wes C Addle at the show I went to in Milwaukee

Yeah, that's a great story.

It'd be even better if it was posted in the "Welcome to the Jungle PJ Fan Club" thread, where it belongs. . .

 ::)

Yeah, that's right. . .
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on March 10, 2004, 11:40 AM
In other non-Gn'R news, tracks from the Velvet Revolver CD have started to leak out, I have not personally heard them

Also...my $12.00 is now $12.02!!!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on March 16, 2004, 10:07 AM
Geffen Records Prevails Over Axl Rose Lawsuit

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A federal judge on Monday cleared the way for Geffen Records to release a greatest-hits album next week from the rock band Guns N' Roses over the objection of its lead singer, Axl Rose (news).

Rose sued Geffen, a unit of Universal Music Group under Vivendi Universal, seeking to prevent the best-of collection from being released, claiming he was not consulted on the choice or remixing of material for the album.

He was joined as a plaintiff in the suit, filed last Friday, by two band members from the original lineup -- guitarist Slash and bassist Duff McKagan (news) -- even though their rights to the Guns N' Roses name was signed over to Rose years ago when they left the group.

But U.S. District Judge Dale Fischer denied their request for a temporary restraining order, allowing Geffen to issue the album as planned next Tuesday. A hearing on a motion for a preliminary injunction was set for next month.

"Their lawsuit is meritless," Universal Music spokesman Peter LoFrumento said. "Fortunately, since the court has denied their application for a temporary restraining order, the album will be released as scheduled on March 23."

According to the lawsuit, Rose objected to the selection of songs for the compilation album, the timing of its release, the album's artwork and the re-mastering of the original tapes.

The album features 14 tracks in all and eight of Guns N' Roses' hit singles, including "Welcome to the Jungle, "Paradise City" and "Sweet Child O' Mine" from the mega-selling 1987 album "Appetite for Destruction."

The group's last studio album, "The Spaghetti Incident?," was issued in 1993. A 2002 MTV appearance by a reconstituted Guns N' Roses, with Rose as the lone member from the band's heyday, helped spark interest in the group's new lineup, but a subsequent U.S. tour was cut short.

The suit, which accuses Geffen of trademark infringement and breach of contract, says the label is barred under its contract with Guns N' Roses from altering its master recordings without the band's permission.

A statement from Rose's manager added that the greatest-hits set "will hinder the release of the band's long-awaited new studio album, 'Chinese Democracy."'

Geffen officials had no further comment on the dispute. But a source familiar with the situation said the label has been waiting seven years for Rose to deliver "Chinese Democracy" and has poured $13 million into production of that album after repeated promises that he was about to finish the project.

"Every year there's been a new reason why Axl is not done with the record," the source told Reuters, adding that Geffen went ahead with the greatest-hits package only because Rose failed to come through with "Chinese Democracy." "Had he delivered this record like he promised seven years ago, this would not be happening right now."

A representative for Rose was not immediately available for comment.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on March 16, 2004, 10:18 AM
A statement from Rose's manager added that the greatest-hits set "will hinder the release of the band's long-awaited new studio album, 'Chinese Democracy."' :P
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on March 16, 2004, 10:38 AM
Yeah, I love that part.

Maybe it'd be worth buying that record next week just to help piss Axl off some more. . .

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on March 16, 2004, 11:02 AM
More of the same--but I found the last paragraph of interest, since it concerns the horrible track-listing.  I am kind of curious, though, about the remastered tracks, too. . .

Guns N' Roses Members Sue Label To Block Greatest Hits CD (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1485751/20040315/guns_n_roses.jhtml?headlines=true)

Singer W. Axl Rose, guitarist Slash and bassist Duff McKagan have joined forces once again. No, they're not re-forming the original Guns N' Roses, they're suing former label Geffen Records to block the release of a compilation album due March 23.

The musicians filed their civil suit in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles, seeking a temporary restraining order and preliminary injunction against the Greatest Hits disc (see "Guns N' Roses' Greatest Due In March, But Axl May Intervene"). The bandmembers claim they had no say in the choice of songs, artwork, release date or re-mastering.

In a press statement, the band's management said, "Not only will audiences be misled into believing that the planned compilation is an authorized release, but [the Greatest Hits album] will hinder the release of the band's long-awaited new studio album, Chinese Democracy."

The press statement added that "there has been a massive outcry among the band's loyal audience against the Greatest Hits record" and that the fans "believe the track selection is fundamentally flawed, does not reflect the band's best work and is clearly not the ultimate package that would be selected by the band or their fanbase if they were given the opportunity."
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on March 16, 2004, 01:25 PM
Li'l G n' R - First Ever Guns N' Roses Kids Tribute Band (http://www.lilgnr.com/)

(http://www.lilgnr.com/gallery/lilgnr_picture_01.jpg)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on March 16, 2004, 01:26 PM
I've seen those little dudes in Rolling Stone, they've played more gigs than big "Gn'r" and Velvet Revolver combined in the last 11 years
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: smileyfaceguy on March 17, 2004, 01:04 AM
cool
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: smileyfaceguy on March 17, 2004, 01:05 AM
ranch
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: smileyfaceguy on March 17, 2004, 01:05 AM
dressing.

 8)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Ben on March 17, 2004, 02:28 AM
So that Greatest Hits package is coming out, eh? Guess Geffen needs to try and recoup the $13 million they've wasted on the nonexistant Chinese Democracy album.

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: JediMAC on March 18, 2004, 12:42 PM
Buckethead's Hand Puppet Says Goodbye To Guns N' Roses (http://www.vh1.com/news/articles/1485811/20040317/guns_n_roses.jhtml?headlines=true)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on March 18, 2004, 12:50 PM
My investment will now be worth $2 million by the time the CD CD gets released ;D
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on March 23, 2004, 12:07 PM
FYI...I did not buy the Greatest Hits Today

I did however listen to The Spaghetti Incident for the first time in a long ass time...even though they are all covers, I really like a couple of them...I have always liked SInce I Don't Have You, But Human Being has been going through my head all day now.  I also think they did a great job on Hair of the Dog...alas...this was the last we ever heard from this one time great band

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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on March 23, 2004, 12:19 PM
Yeah, I was gonna update this thread too, with the Greatest Hits release today, but I couldn't find a scan of the cover anywhere.  Oh well.

But there is other news to cover:

Our man Axl was just voted the #3 Craziest Pop Star Ever, by Blender magazine.

"Case History
Rose developed a loathing for authority as a child after his stepfather hit him for singing along to Barry Manilow's "Mandy".  Despite achieving global rock hegemony with 1987's Appetite for Destruction, all was not well in this redneck intellectual's jungle: He claimed Courtney Love (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?board=28;action=display;threadid=3984) tried to possess him at 1993's MTV awards, and he's still working on the follow-up to GN'R's album of punk covers, The Spaghetti Incident?, which was released 10 years ago.

Craziest Moment
After marrying Erin Everly in 1990, Rose bought a house in the Hollywood Hills and had two topiary elephants delivered by helicopter.  The couple never moved into the property.

He's So Crazy
"I'm trying to have a happy life here -- why do I keep getting in my own way with it?  What's going on here?"

Finishing ahead of Bill Bailey were Brian Wilson at #2, and, none other than Wacko Jacko himself at #1.

Congrats, Axl!  Esteemed company!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: FX-7 on March 23, 2004, 01:35 PM
Why aren't you buying the Greatest Hits?  I picked it up, good stuff...Jungle, City, Child, November Rain, one of the greatest bands ever!  BTW anyone know if Metallica is going to come out with a Greatest Hits???
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Boba Binks on March 23, 2004, 06:18 PM
I picked up the Greatest Hit today at Best Buy for $7.99! A great CD!!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on March 23, 2004, 06:43 PM
For those that have all of their other records, what is the incentive to purchase the Greatest Hits?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Ben on March 24, 2004, 01:09 AM
I'm going to pick it up because I don't own Spaghetti Incident or Lies. I might have to look at the tracklist again though. Maybe all the stuff on the Greatest Hits release is pulled from Appetite and UYI I&II. I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on March 24, 2004, 01:14 AM
Here's the tracklisting:

"Welcome to the Jungle" - Appetite
"Sweet Child O' Mine" - Appetite
"Patience" - Lies
"Paradise City" - Appetite
"Knockin' on Heaven's Door" - II
"Civil War" - II
"You Could Be Mine" - II
"Don't Cry" - I
"November Rain" - I
"Live and Let Die" - I
"Yesterdays" - II
"Ain't It Fun" - Spaghetti
"Since I Don't Have You" - Spaghetti
"Sympathy for the Devil" - Interview with a Vampire soundtrack

This package is pretty much par for the course.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Ben on March 24, 2004, 02:21 AM
Well, I might pick it up then. It's only $8.

I wish it had Estranged on it, that'd make it perfect for the car.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on March 30, 2004, 11:45 AM
GNR Pulls Out Of 'Rock In Rio' Fest (http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000474998)

Guns N' Roses has canceled its scheduled May 30 headlining appearance at the Rock in Rio festival in Lisbon. In a statement, sole original member Axl Rose places the blame on guitarist Buckethead, who has apparently exited the lineup.

"The band has been put in an untenable position by guitarist Buckethead and his untimely departure," Rose says. "During his tenure with the band Buckethead has been inconsistent and erratic in both his behavior and commitment -- despite being under contract -- creating uncertainty and confusion and making it virtually impossible to move forward with recording, rehearsals and live plans with confidence."

Rose cites Buckethead's interest in furthering a solo career first established with the 1992 release of a self-titled album on the Avant label. The masked artist, who is never seen in the flesh or without a KFC bucket on his head, will kick off a solo tour tomorrow (March 31) in Milwaukee supporting jam band Particle.

"It appears his plans were to secure a recording contract with Sanctuary Records which I encouraged my management to make available to him, quit GNR and to use his involvement in the upcoming Guns release to immediately promote his individual efforts," Rose says.

"There is not a member of this camp that is not hurt, upset and ultimately disappointed," Rose adds. "We as a whole definitely feel that we afforded Bucket every accommodation perhaps so much so that it may be that we, or more precisely, I may have done Guns a disservice and unintentionally allowed Guns to be put in this position."

The Rock in Rio appearance was to be the group's first since a disastrous 2002 comeback tour that was canceled with 13 dates remaining. "On behalf of Guns N' Roses and myself I apologize to the fans," Rose says. "The festival and its tradition mean a lot to me personally and I sincerely do not enjoy being robbed by one of our own of the opportunity to be the first artist to play it for the third time."

Rose admits that "there are obviously several issues to resolve" regarding Buckethead's longtime involvement and the band's long-awaited Geffen album "Chinese Democracy."

"In the meantime rather than dwelling on the negative, Guns will be moving forward," Rose says, "and surprisingly (without giving away any details) this unfortunate set of circumstances may have given us the opportunity to take our recording that one extra step further. Regardless we hope to announce a release date within the next few months."
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on March 30, 2004, 11:47 AM
Sez Axl:  "During his tenure with the band Buckethead has been inconsistent and erratic in both his behavior and commitment -- despite being under contract -- creating uncertainty and confusion and making it virtually impossible to move forward with recording, rehearsals and live plans with confidence."

You couldn't write this stuff.

It's always someone else's fault, isn't it, Axl?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on March 30, 2004, 03:37 PM
When Matt posted the news on Buckethead I knew this was inevitble, as is the delay in Chinese Democracy.  Lousy Axl...Release Date in the next few months...pssshaaaw

Not to really get off topic again but...Pearl Jam toured a lot and released a record last year.  I remember right after the second big UYI tour and then when Spaghetti Incident coming out the fall of '93 thinking, well, I would think they should be able to crank out that new CD by the end of '94 and then tour for a couple of more years.  Did anyone really think that this was going to be the way it all went down.  Hell even in 1996 I was thinking there was still a chance they would get going.  Ugh, which is why I get nervous anytime I don't here anything on my favorite band and their plans for a while.  Will he turn into Axl?


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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on March 30, 2004, 06:59 PM
Will he turn into Axl?

I don't know--is EV loco in la cabeza?  I don't think so--not as much as WAR, anyway. . .

What's funny, is that eventually, Chinese Democracy will come out.  And when it does, it's going to be so flat, and so unable to live up to the hype, that--well, that nothing.

It'll be just another footnote in the sad decline of what was once a promising career.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Ben on March 31, 2004, 01:53 AM
Jesus, Axl is one scary-looking MF.


Chinese Democracy will be greeted with the exact same response The Phantom Menace got: it won't live up to the hype.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on April 2, 2004, 01:37 AM
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on April 13, 2004, 01:11 AM
Immortilize William in your SW dioramas...

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http://www.kidrobot.com/shop.php?Category=Western%20Vinyl
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on April 27, 2004, 01:52 AM
From the pages of this month's "Blender". . .

Broken Axl
Hard rock's most complicated tale gets badly chopped

Guns N' Roses
Greatest Hits  (two out of five stars)
Geffen

He may be less than toned these days, but W. Axl Rose can still execute a vice grip on controversy, no matter how innocuous the reason.  Not the minor furor over this set: Rose threatened a lawsuit to block it, getting fans excited that he might actually be planning to release the new album he's been sitting on for a decade.  Save the lawyer's fee and stop playing with our minds, dude.  Though Greatest Hits offers nothing to enhance GN'R's legacy, it's harmless, Cliff's Notes to a rock & roll legend.

The story this collection abbreviates is truly Shakespearean, which is clear only after listening to the band's full catalog, starting with the early hard-rock blitzkrieg, moving through the mid-career experiments and on to the increasingly desperate live releases, covers, and outtakes marking Rose's descent into a labyrinth of narcissism and writer's block.

Swallowed whole, GN'R's music animates a mythic battle between violence and beauty, ambition and despair, Vegas cheese and dirty-ass rock & roll -- a riveting story that beats out everybody who's hot today (except the hobbits) for blood, guts, and genuine tragedy.

Chopped up here, the tale is reduced to an assertion: GN'R made the late century's best American music outside of hip-hop (Nirvana, get in the ring).  Nine singles prove it.  "Welcome to the Jungle," from their 1987 world-turner, Appetite for Destruction, is a John Woo action movie.  "November Rain" is Elvis-size in its gorgeous corn.  Even casual forays like "Patience" and the uber-sexy "Sweet Child o' Mine" hold deep meaning beneath the spandex flash.

But we already know that, because these chart-toppers are still in heavy rotation on the radio.  Greatest Hits offers virtually no album cuts or rarities, filling space that could have held vital music such as "Coma" or "The Garden" with fun but dumb covers (five of the 14 songs).  It's generic, meant to rope in the teenage newbies and service the gym bags of fans who can't afford iPods.  Functional, yes, but like those little yellow student's helpers, this best-of is ultimately a cheat.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: smileyfaceguy on April 27, 2004, 09:50 AM
On the other side of the coin, I was in the car flipping channels when I came on the middle of a solo that had a familiar fat, dirty, crunchy sound of double humbuckers through a Marshall stack.  The solo had the sound of a guy playing "by feel" and he was he was all over the wah.  It was a truly cool moment because there was no doubt in my mind that it was Slash.  I kind of got a feeling I haven't had since 1992, and I knew I'd either stumbled onto a previously unknown-to-me (unlikely) vintage bootleg or unreleased track, or this was a Velvet Underground song -- that's how much this sounded like the old GNR (unlike Snakepit).  When the vocals came in after the solo, I kind of recognized the voice (never was into STP), but wasn't sure, so I waited for the end of the song and got the confirmation I wanted.  I will definitely be picking this record up.  First time I've been looking forward to a record release in probably 10 years.

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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on May 7, 2004, 11:30 AM
Just heard the first single myself "Slither" pretty good stuff.  I'll definitely be picking up the CD, I liked early STP and this song does remind me of that heavily.  

Saw a picture of Duff...holy crap does he look OLD
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 12, 2004, 01:57 AM
So I was going through some of the upcoming releases at Pause and Play (http://www.pauseandplay), and there's a listing for a release by Hollywood Rose on June 22, which I thought was fairly interesting:

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According to Navarre.com and Amazon.com, Cleopatra Records has set a June 1 release date for "The Roots Of Guns N' Roses", a collection of the very first demos recorded by Axl Rose and Izzy Stradlin before they became Guns N' Roses.
 
The album features five demo recordings that haven’t been heard in decades, plus new remixes by former GN'R member Gilby Clarke. These rare tracks showcase the raw talent of Axl and Izzy that was just beginning to blossom into GN'R.

The story of Guns N' Roses began when L.A. Guns founder Tracii Guns introduced guitarist Chris Weber to Izzy Stradlin in the parking lot of the Rainbow Bar And Grill. After jamming together at Izzy's place, the two decided to form a band and recruited a vocalist, Bill Bailey, better known to most as Axl Rose. Together, they drew inspiration from the diverse musical scene emerging in Hollywood and, with the help of drummer Johnny Kreis, recorded a demo under the name Hollywood Rose.

For years these demos have remained in the vault, never appearing on CD. Now, Cleopatra Records is bringing these raw recordings to the masses. As a special bonus, Gilby Clarke took these recordings back to the studio and polished up the rough edges.

"The Roots Of Guns N' Roses" track listing:

Original Demo Versions:

01. Killing Time
02. Anything Goes
03. Rocker
04. Shadow Of Your Love
05. Wreckless Life

Newly Remixed By Gilby Clarke:

06. Killing Time
07. Anything Goes
08. Rocker
09. Shadow Of Your Love (feat. Tracii Guns - overdub guitar)
10. Wreckless Life (feat. Tracii Guns - overdub guitar)

Newly Remixed By Fred Coury:

11. Killing Time
12. Anything Goes
13. Rocker
14. Shadow Of Your Love
15. Wreckless Life

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/gnr_demo_cd.html

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(And this is just further proof that Axl still sucks. . .)  :)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on May 12, 2004, 10:19 AM
That sounds pretty cool actually, Anything Goes, Shadow of Your Love and Wreckless Life were all Gn"R tracks correct?  But why is Gilby involved on this...that's weird.  I smell Lawsuit again
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Jim on May 12, 2004, 11:01 AM
Take a moment to think about this.  In the past 10 years Axl has attempted a comeback with a new album, band members  and tour.  All have failed miserably and we still dont have a new album which will be outdated by the time of its release.  

Slash and Duff throw together Velvet Revolver, an album and a tour in little over a year.  

Do the math.  Axl you suck!

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on May 12, 2004, 11:08 AM
Velvet Revolver is playing a small club here this weekend.  Tickets are sold out but it would be something I think I would like to check out.  Looks like tickets are around $40 a piece on eBay
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 12, 2004, 11:22 AM
But why is Gilby involved on this...that's weird.

Well, because out of all the guys, Gilby is the most unemployed and least insane--he's the only choice.

Here's the cover for the Velvet Revolver album, due out June 8th:

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I trust that everyone will be going out to their record stores a month from now to pick this thing up--and if you caved and bought the GN'R Greatest Hits package, then you have to buy two Velvet Revolver records to make up for it. . .

Tell your friends.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 13, 2004, 12:54 PM
I don't know where this comes from, as I read it on another forum, and there wasn't a link provided, but it's good for a laugh, anyway:

==========================

Former GUNS N' ROSES star MATT SORUM is laughing at former bandmate AXL ROSE's efforts to release new album CHINESE DEMOCRACY - because he thinks the project will be awful.

Rose has been promising the new album for years, but drummer Sorum urges rock fans not to expect a classic if the project ever hits record stores.

Sorum, who has formed hot new group VELVET REVOLVER with his ex-bandmates DUFF McKAGAN and SLASH, says, "We put this band together and started an album two weeks later. It's not f***ing brain surgery.

"It's verse, chorus, guitar solo, verse, chorus, and you're done.
 
"I don't know what he's f***ing doing over there but I hope it's a 72-piece classically composed masterpiece."
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on May 13, 2004, 01:38 PM
I've started to think in the past few days that perhaps Axl was not the sole writer/music for a lot of the stuff he was taking credit for.  Maybe Izzy helped him more then we think

Matt's right on though
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 13, 2004, 02:24 PM
I've started to think in the past few days that perhaps Axl was not the sole writer/music for a lot of the stuff he was taking credit for.  Maybe Izzy helped him more then we think

Matt's right on though

C'mon, baby--you know that Izzy was the brains behind the entire operation.  Just look at their output since he left in late '91--only one original "Guns N' Roses" song--"Oh My God"--which was dreadfully awful anyway.

Yeah, it was Axl and Slash that really kind of got all the spotlight--but I tend to think that without Izzy, Axl would still be homeless on the streets of L.A., and who knows what Slash would be doing.

Just a shame that Izzy couldn't do all that much with his solo career.

Like it was mentioned earlier--they were definitely a band whose whole was greater than the sum of the parts.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on May 13, 2004, 02:49 PM
Yeah I know that but what I was talking about was songs supposedly penned by Bill Bailey entirely...stuff like November Rain and Coma
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 13, 2004, 03:09 PM
Yeah I know that but what I was talking about was songs supposedly penned by Bill Bailey entirely...stuff like November Rain and Coma

Yeah, I kind of figured that's more for what you were going for, but still, any time I get a chance to celebrate Izzy and slander Axl, I will.

And just out of curiousity, here's a listing of the Illusion songs where Axl has sole songwriting credit:

November Rain - great
Dead Horse - good
Shotgun Blues - eh
Breakdown - good
Estranged - great (but moreso for Slash than anything else)
My World - crap

("Coma" is credited as "Slash/Rose")

Izzy's:

You Ain't the First - eh
Double Talkin' Jive - good
Pretty Tied Up - eh (never a fan)

(Oh my--I've contradicted myself, haven't I?)   :-\

Stradlin'/Rose:

Right Next Door to Hell - eh (Stradlin'/Caltia/Rose)
Don't Cry - good
Perfect Crime - good (Stradlin'/Slash/Rose)
Bad Apples - eh (Slash/McKagan/Stradlin'/Rose)
14 Years - good
You Could Be Mine - good
Don't Cry (Alt. Lyrics) - good

Well--this doesn't prove my point much, I guess, but I still contend that had Izzy stayed with the band, we would have least gotten a new album three or four years after Illusion came out.

This whole point is moot, anyway.

I wish I could have been a fly on the wall during the writing and recording of Appetite, though.

Maybe Steven Adler was the one responsible for the genius of that record.

 8)

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 14, 2004, 12:42 PM
Here's a review of a Velvet Revolver show that was posted on the DVD Talk forums. . .

the Velvet Revolver tour begins.... (http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=364171)

I caught the Velvet Revolver show in St. Louis and it was a hell of a lot of fun.

Scott Weiland came out in with an old-style police officer's hat on, a red tie and megaphone.

Slash even brought out the top hat at one point.

The band rolled through mostly originals as well as several G'n'R tunes including It's So Easy, Mr. Brownstone and Used To Love Her.

They also played a couple STP songs.

Weiland came out in the crowd and had about five girls holding him up by the a** as he sat and sang. Later, he dove into the crowd and someone took his earpiece, which the band later stood on stage (with lights on) and offered to give free tickets to the KC show, backstage passes, and signed stuff for the person that returned the earpiece.

Weiland said they were recording the show in KC and couldn't do it without this piece of equipment (odd that they wouldn't have a backup).

Duff thanked the crowd for welcoming the boys back in town since GnR was banned in the early 90s after Axl Rose had an altercation between his boot and some guy's face I think.

Weiland danced, strutted, shimmied and the like most of the night, and occasionally he would lie down. They played a slow song and he said he wrote it about how he almost lost his wife, and but he got her back and he said "it was the best thing that ever happened to me."

Weiland also said "Take a good look boys and girls, because you're never going to see this again, at least not in this venue"

The place was firecode flipping packed, and tickets were being scalped for a chunk outside.

Weiland did a nice rendition of Used To Love Her and said how much nu-metal sucked and that they were gonna get back to "good blues-based American rock'n'roll"

Duff and Weiland were in phenomenal shape, both looked as if they were preparing for some sort of triathlon.

They had the volume jacked up extremely high also.

A band called Silvertide opened up and they signed with Clive Davis' J Records.

They have a classic rock sound with a lead guitarist who can absolutely tear it up. They were impressive. Silvertide opens for Van Halen after the VR tour wraps up.

VR was late (of course) and played for about 80 minutes.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on May 14, 2004, 01:55 PM
Dang almost makes me want to hit the show tomorrow
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 14, 2004, 11:41 PM
Here's their touring schedule from now until June 22nd. . .

Fri 05/14/04   Kansas City, KS  Memorial Hall  
 
Sat 05/15/04   Minneapolis, MN  Quest Club  
 
Wed 05/19/04   Chicago, IL  Riviera Theatre  
 
Thu 05/20/04   Detroit, MI  TBA  
 
Wed 05/26/04   New York, NY  Roseland  
 
Thu 05/27/04   Washington, DC  9:30 Club  
 
Fri 05/28/04   Philadelphia, PA  Electric Factory  
 
Sat 05/29/04   Boston, MA  Avalon  
 
Fri 06/04/04   Portland, OR  Roseland Theater  
 
Sat 06/05/04   Seattle, WA  Moore Theatre  
 
Mon 06/07/04   San Francisco, CA  The Warfield  
 
Tue 06/08/04   Los Angeles, CA  The Wiltern LG  
 
Wed 06/09/04   Los Angeles, CA  The Wiltern LG  
 
Fri 06/11/04   Las Vegas, NV  Hard Rock Hotel - The Joint  
 
Sun 06/13/04   Phoenix, AZ  Celebrity Theatre  
 
Thu 06/17/04   Austin, TX  Stubb's Barbeque  
 
Fri 06/18/04   Houston, TX  Verizon Wireless Theater  
 
Sat 06/19/04   Dallas, TX  Granada Theater  
 
Tue 06/22/04   Denver, CO  Fillmore Auditorium  

Pollstar (http://pollstar.com/tour/searchall.pl?By=Artist&Content=velvet+revolver)

I'll be down for that Dallas show--hell yeah.  And that's like 180 miles away.

You're not gonna let these things like "wife" and "2 year old" and "newborn baby" stop you from going to a kick-ass rock n' roll show for a couple of hours, are you?

Besides, this is gonna be the closest you'll ever get to seeing the real Guns N' Roses.  That "Axl and Friends" tour from a couple of years ago--that don't count.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on May 15, 2004, 01:02 AM
I'm not letting those things stop me, no, its my wife who would make sure "Physician Appointed Auto-Eroticist" becomes "Wife says you went to a ******* concert instead of staying home to take care of your two children so you can forget about any kind of nookie for the next 5 years Auto-Eroticist"
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 15, 2004, 01:17 AM
I'm not letting those things stop me, no, its my wife who would make sure "Physician Appointed Auto-Eroticist" becomes "Wife says you went to a ******* concert instead of staying home to take care of your two children so you can forget about any kind of nookie for the next 5 years Auto-Eroticist"

Man, I hate that kind of auto-eroticist.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on May 15, 2004, 01:23 AM
I would hate to be one

Just came at a bad time, plus my two big Gn'R buddies were both busy this weekend as it is the Minnesota Fishing Opener as well.  I did ask them if they wanted to go and got shot down.  

Hopefully this doesn't go down as one of those I wish I would have went to the (GnR, Alice in Chains, Nirvana Stone Temple Pilots and Lalapalooza) type moments for me and I can catch them next go round

I am suprised though that they are playing a smaller club like that...there are bigger clubs in the Cities but I would think with some pub they could have been close to 1/2 arena type shows
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 15, 2004, 01:35 AM
Just came at a bad time, plus my two big Gn'R buddies were both busy this weekend as it is the Minnesota Fishing Opener as well.  I did ask them if they wanted to go and got shot down.

Some "buddies" they are.  Fishing?  

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Hopefully this doesn't go down as one of those I wish I would have went to the (GnR, Alice in Chains, Nirvana Stone Temple Pilots and Lalapalooza) type moments for me and I can catch them next go round

I hear you--both Nirvana and Pearl Jam rolled through town within a few weeks of each other in late '93--and oh how I regret not going to either one of those shows, especially after what happened about five months later. . .   :-[

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I am suprised though that they are playing a smaller club like that...there are bigger clubs in the Cities but I would think with some pub they could have been close to 1/2 arena type shows

Well, I can only guess that maybe that's what Weiland was referring to from that show last night when he said "take a good look boys and girls, because you're never going to see this again, at least not in this venue".  Maybe he was saying that he thinks they'll become so big, that the next time they play St. Louis, they'll be in the Enormodome or something.

The place they're playing in Dallas--the Granada--is really tiny, too.  Their website says the max capacity is 800--but I'm thinking it's even less than that.  [namedrop](The Granada, of course, being the same place that I looked up Kim Gordon's skirt, rubbed shoulders with Liz Phair, and danced onstage with the Flaming Lips. . .)[/namedrop]
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on May 17, 2004, 10:13 AM
Review from the show on Saturday

Velvet Revolver: New, yet it seems very ... familiar
Jim Meyer,  Special to the Star Tribune
May 17, 2004VELVET0517
   
The members of Velvet Revolver strongly deny that they are a preconceived supergroup, but there's no denying that the combined star power of Stone Temple Pilots singer Scott Weiland and Guns N' Roses guitar god Slash made for an unusually charged debut Saturday at Quest in Minneapolis. (Was there ever this much buzz about Slash's Snakepit?)

Velvet Revolver (including GNR bassist Duff McKagen and drummer Matt Sorum) is on a short, small-club tour promoting their debut CD, due out June 8. Their 45-minute set plus an encore of oldies was more energetic than innovative, but there is at least one reason for high expectations this year.

Velvet Revolver auditioned numerous vocalists, but made a wise (albeit risky) choice in the much-troubled, now-sober Weiland, who looked sharp in reflective shades, an airman's cap, tight jeans, velvet vest and scarf. He resembled Judas Priest singer Rob Halford prancing and posing like a cabaret dominatrix. He was half-naked before long, revealing a severely short haircut and a skeletal frame, and he darted around the stage like he was auditioning for Spider Man.

Despite the band having three members from GNR, the first three songs carried more STP trademarks. Before playing "Headspace," Weiland blasted negative rock critics and boasted about the new song's positive lyrics before turning the song into a classic Scott Weiland vocal showcase.

Perhaps fearful of losing the audience with unfamiliar material, VR broke into STP's "Crackerman" and one song later bashed out the GNR crowd-pleaser "It's So Easy." Playing a GNR classic revealed how Velvet Revolver's own material lacks similar hook appeal, but it also set the stage for the evening's centerpiece, "Fall to Pieces."

Introducing the song, Weiland praised a melody that Slash brought to the band, to which Weiland added the lyric about how drugs destroyed his happy home. The song, already slated as the band's next single, features the unmistakable Slash guitar tone and a melody heavily borrowed from "Sweet Child O' Mine." Obviously, they hope the song will do for VR what "Sweet Child" did for GNR: Make them huge. It better, because VR's lighter songs impressed more than their thudding rockers, such as the dumb "Big Machine" and the banal "Set Me Free."

The group returned for some encore fun, starting with a faithful rendition of GNR's "Used To Love Her" and "Mr. Brownstone," and ending with Nirvana's "Negative Creep." It was a familiar, high-volume finale to a short preview that was part steamroller, part roller coaster.

Jim Meyer is a freelance writer from Minneapolis.

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: smileyfaceguy on May 18, 2004, 12:09 PM
Lots of VR to catch next week:

May 24: Howard Stern Show
May 25: David Letterman Show
May 26: Roseland Ballroom, NYC (smileyfaceguy will be attending)
May 27: PBS Frontline Story (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/press/2214.html)

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/268293/slash.gif)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 25, 2004, 11:59 PM
Just to update smileyfaceguy's last post--watch for Velvet Revolver on Letterman this evening.  

(And a brief question of semantics:

Would it be kosher to refer to Velvet Revolver as "the Velvets"?  Or would that cause confusion between them and the Velvet Underground--a band that obviously deserves respect?  I'm thinking we should just let "the Velvets" continue to be a reference to VU, but at the same time, "Velvet Revolver" is a mouthful (five syllables!), and it's not like anybody's going to be referring to VU all that much around here. . .)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 26, 2004, 12:33 AM
I liked that.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on May 26, 2004, 12:39 AM
Me too...good mix of old STP (didn't much care for their sound post Tiny Music Shop Right Next Door to the Pope's Bedroom) and Gn'R

Nice use of Duff's vocal abilities

That song reminded me of one of the songs off of Core sort of a sped up version of Dead & Bloated perhaps or really sped up version of Where the River Goes

Good stuff, damn I'm mad I didn't go :'( :'( :'(  Stoopid Kids
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on May 27, 2004, 10:31 AM
Lots of VR to catch next week:

May 24: Howard Stern Show
May 25: David Letterman Show
May 26: Roseland Ballroom, NYC (smileyfaceguy will be attending)
May 27: PBS Frontline Story (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/press/2214.html)

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/268293/slash.gif)
So how was it???? (http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/268293/slash.gif)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: smileyfaceguy on May 27, 2004, 11:58 AM
So how was it???? (http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/268293/slash.gif)

The PBS story?  It's not on until tonight.   ;)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: smileyfaceguy on May 27, 2004, 12:00 PM
Oh, you meant he show?  It was f-in' awesome.  I’m not entirely sold on the new songs, and Scott Weiland doesn’t really do it for me, but the band as a whole rocks with the same rawness and authenticity you hear on Appetite.  Seeing Slash and Duff on stage together was surreal.  They played “It’s So Easy,” “Used To Love Her,” “Brownstone,” “Negative Creep,” and a couple songs I recognized as STP, but don’t know the names of.  I was hoping they would dig into the GNR bag a little deeper than they did (I would have busted a nut if they played “Nighttrain” or “Rocket Queen”).  All in all, the whole night felt like a GNR show, which is really all I was hoping for.

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/268293/2.jpg)   (http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/268293/1.jpg)

Now, I gotta go (really).

:)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 27, 2004, 06:43 PM
Now, I gotta go (really).

:)


Goddamnit.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: JediMAC on May 27, 2004, 06:47 PM
Now, I gotta go (really).

:)

So it ain't so, Smiley!  Where ya' off to?  Do come back and pay us a visit again someday, eh.   :'(
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on June 4, 2004, 11:37 PM
Just read an OLD rumor from around January that the DeLeo Bros from STP and Chris Robinson from The Black Crowes and a mystery Gn'R member were going to team up to form the latest super group...

Thought that was interesting, on of the Super DeLeo Bros and Robinson had worked together in the past...as for the mystery Gunner...

Adler
Izzy
Axl
Gilby
976-Horns???

Interesting
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on June 15, 2004, 10:10 AM
Sooooo...anyone with any deep rooted thoughts on Velvet Revolver (or The Revolvers, is that what we're calling them? The Revolvers?)

Listened to it through a couple of times and its good, not damn good, not great but solid

Couple of things...sometimes the guitars drown out Weiland

Its a weird mix of classic Old Skool STP and Gn'R and you can tell who had more influence on some of the songs.

The swearing...not sure what it is, maybe a few years of listening to bands that don't curse as much but some of the lyrics were over the top with the **** and **** and anatomical references.  And its no different than a Gn'R record was so I'm not sure what bothers me about it, that to me is sort of weird and I can't put a finger on the criticism I have.  Maybe just moved on musically or mentally or matured???

The Rolling Stone gave it 4 stars, which I think is generous, I'd say a solid 3 out of 5...hoping they move on and start doing their own stuff (sort of like Audioslave did) instead of having half of a GnR and half of an STP CD
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on June 15, 2004, 10:27 AM
Still haven't listened to the full thing yet.  Have listened to the PJ Harvey and Sonic Youth albums five or six times each, all the way through, if that tells you anything.  I've listened to the first couple of tracks, and the last couple.  Nothing really memorable so far.  I'll try and listen to the middle of it on the way to the store here in a sec for the Beastie Boys/Simpsons extravaganza.

I'm still very much looking forward to seeing the guys in person this Saturday--although mostly to see what they do with the GN'R classics.

No matter how mediocre this album may be, it's still great to see the guys working again, and it's still gonna be about a million times better than whatever it is that Axl is gonna finally release.

(As for the Chris Robinson/STP/GN'R rumor above--sounds like crap to me.  The only guys I could see being involved would be either Gilby or Izzy, and those are longshots.  For some reason, I've always been under the impression that Chris Robinson has never thought too highly of Axl.

But you know, it could be Teddy "Big Bag, Zig Zag" Andreadis on the harmonica. . .)

 ::)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on June 17, 2004, 01:01 PM
GnR Behind the Music (http://www.vh1.com/shows/dyn/behind_the_music/81346/episode_about.jhtml)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on June 20, 2004, 04:37 AM
Hey, guess which JD member had his Velvet Revolver ticket stub autographed by Slash tonight?

 :D

(Just missed Duff by a couple of minutes.)

(This'll go along nicely with my copy of "The Spaghetti Incident?", signed by Axl and Slash over ten years ago. . .)

Not to sound like Duthro, but awesome, awesome, awesome show.  

Great energy by the band--they were really into it from the beginning, as well as the crowd.  They played most of the album (think like nine songs), three GN'R, one or two STP songs, and covered "Bodies" by Sex Pistols for the finale.

The VR songs are a lot better live than they are on the album.  They seem really tight as a band, but at the same time, are really loose, and you can kind of tell that they really have fun playing together (and I believe this was the second-to-last show of the current leg of the tour--I read that they're taking a break for Slash's wife to have a baby or something).

The biggest hits of the night came when they played "It's So Easy", "Brownstone", and "Used to Love Her", and the crowd was totally into it, singing along with every word.  And they sounded good, too--after the initial shock wore off of hearing (and seeing) someone else singing these songs, I realized that it really wasn't that different than before.

As for the GN'R guys, not really much has changed, with the exception of a couple of new tattoos, but they all look good (especially Duff and Matt).  They look really toned compared to the old days, with that alcohol bloat.  As for Slash--well, he was Slash--tight curls hiding his face, cigarette dangling from his mouth, top hat on his head, t-shirt with "f--k" on it.  :)

I believe the last time these guys played Dallas was back in September 1992, with the big Metallica/GN'R tour, and man, what a different atmosphere it was this time around.

Given a choice between this type of show, and Axl's silly "Guns N' Roses Stillborn Musical Revue" which played all of--what--five stadiums?--a couple of years ago, I'm gonna take this show every single time.

Pearson, if they come through the Twin Cities again--don't skip out.  Hell, give me a call, and I'll fly up there and go with you.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on June 23, 2004, 11:34 AM
Here are some pics of the show I went to in Dallas...it was awesome

(http://www.jedidefender.com/spearson/virex/Duff%20in%20your%20face.JPG)

(http://www.jedidefender.com/spearson/virex/Scott%20in%20crowd.JPG)

(http://www.jedidefender.com/spearson/virex/Slash%20and%20Duff.JPG)

(http://www.jedidefender.com/spearson/virex/scott%20upclose.JPG)

(http://www.jedidefender.com/spearson/virex/slash%20solo.JPG)

(http://www.jedidefender.com/spearson/virex/the%20band.JPG)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on June 23, 2004, 11:42 AM
Here are some pics of the show I went to in Dallas...it was awesome

Congratulations--that's the last time I ever axe you for a favor.

 :-[
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on June 23, 2004, 11:48 AM
Though you may not be willing to accept the facts, there's a reason the JediDefender community is by far the largest in Star Wars collecting and it's not because the staff of the forums is inept. We manage it the way the community wants it managed and the first thing I throw out is a comment by somebody that tells me it was better when you posted at RS.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on June 23, 2004, 11:57 AM
Though you may not be willing to accept the facts, there's a reason the JediDefender community is by far the largest in Star Wars collecting and it's not because the staff of the forums is inept. We manage it the way the community wants it managed and the first thing I throw out is a comment by somebody that tells me it was better when you posted at RS.

See?  There it goes.

I wanted to do a little bragging, Rayrob-style, about getting Slash's autograph and how great my "seats" at the show were, just to get a little bit o' love thrown back my way, but due to the way you had to word things, well, all of that's gone out the window.

Commence the Rebelscum bashing, okeoke?

Don't make me pull a Jango Fettish Obi-Robz Obi-Robz Cinemaddiction Obi-Robz Durge Durge Durge.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on June 23, 2004, 12:05 PM
On a serious note, thanks for making me feel like **** for missing the show here.  Sounds like it was an awesome time and I do hope they swing through again when my wife wouldn't divorce me for going to a concert mere days after the birth of a kid

So was the crowd a little more into it with the CD being out and there being some recognition of songs.  

And really, the Gn'Rlite version that toured was not horrible at all, sure it was a joke and the whole thing fizzled but Axl really put on a good show and I feel I got my money's worth.  I'll say it time and time and time again, anyone can duplicate a guitar sound, a singers voice is one thing that will never be duplicated and that is why I think it was a good show.  

Any bets on if there will ever be a Gn'R reunion?  Do you care?  With the money to be made I think that it would be a cinch within the next 5 years...maybe he'll hire them back to finish up Chinese Democracy
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on June 23, 2004, 10:34 PM
. . .when my wife wouldn't divorce me for going to a concert mere days after the birth of a kid

She certainly needs to get her priorities straight, and you can tell her I said so.  

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So was the crowd a little more into it with the CD being out and there being some recognition of songs.

Yeah, that's one thing I forgot to mention:  The crowd was totally into it, and they knew most of the lyrics to even the VR songs, too.  I think it was Slash that even mentioned at one point that the tour was going great, but now it's even better because the record was out and everybody knew the songs now.  

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And really, the Gn'Rlite version that toured was not horrible at all, sure it was a joke and the whole thing fizzled but Axl really put on a good show and I feel I got my money's worth.  I'll say it time and time and time again, anyone can duplicate a guitar sound, a singers voice is one thing that will never be duplicated and that is why I think it was a good show.

The music may have been fine, but the whole thing kind of struck me as silly--it's like those bands from the sixties and seventies, who might have one original member left, who still "tour", and play the ******** venues of your city.

I wouldn't have a problem with that tour if it wasn't "Guns N' Roses".  If Axl wasn't such a dickhead about things, and changed the name of the band to something else--fine.  They could play all old GN'R songs only--fine.  

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Any bets on if there will ever be a Gn'R reunion?  Do you care?  With the money to be made I think that it would be a cinch within the next 5 years...maybe he'll hire them back to finish up Chinese Democracy

I would certainly not want to see a GN'R reunion.  Yeah, if it happened, I'd buy the CD, and I'd go to the show, but I would prefer that it not happen at all.  What's great about GN'R is the same thing that's great about Nirvana, or The Doors, or Jimi Hendrix, or any other artist whose career ended prematurely, for whatever reason:  They're forever locked in a time capsule, and nothing can ever happen that will change that.  They're not going to become, say, a Rolling Stones, and have a decade or so of excellent music, followed by years of irrelevance, to the point where they become pale imitations of their former selves (not to knock the Stones, 'cause I love 'em--but they haven't done anything that's mattered since the seventies).

As it stands now, to me, Guns N' Roses will always be GUNS N' ROSES, the band that took the world by storm and kicked it's ass for about five years in the late eighties and early nineties.

Besides, if I were Slash, Duff, or Matt, there's no way in hell I'd want to get back with Axl right now, anyway.  They've got the number one album in the country, just got off a sold-out tour, and everybody's totally hyped about them.  They're gonna get back together with a guy who doesn't give a f--k about the fans, and who treated them like total sh!t, before firing their asses?  Hell no.

I'd love to know what's going on inside Axl's head, as he sees all of the positive word-of-mouth and great coverage of the Velvet Revolver tour and record.

I'd imagine he's really pissed.

Maybe we'll get a "Get in the Ring Part II" or something on Chinese Democracy, dedicated to the old guys.

Sounds silly, but at this point, I wouldn't put anything past Bill Bailey.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on June 28, 2004, 10:07 AM
Hollywood Rose (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00022LJBA/qid=1088431487/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/104-5253445-5186355?v=glance&s=music&n=507846)

Saw a review of this in the Rolling Stone, it got 3 Stars and said the worst thing was the added guitars and drums they added to the old songs.  Might think about picking it up somewhere down the line.  Not now though
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on June 28, 2004, 11:55 AM
Hollywood Rose (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00022LJBA/qid=1088431487/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/104-5253445-5186355?v=glance&s=music&n=507846)

Saw a review of this in the Rolling Stone, it got 3 Stars and said the worst thing was the added guitars and drums they added to the old songs.  Might think about picking it up somewhere down the line.  Not now though

Don't pick it up.  

It's horrible.

I was meaning to post here about it, but just haven't gotten around to it yet.

I'd rather burn a copy than have you go out and spend your money on it.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on June 28, 2004, 03:30 PM
Alright then I won't...I would like to hear it someday.  Don't need to right away
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on July 1, 2004, 03:32 PM
Gn'R Behind the Music premieres on July 4th at Noon...the official premiere is July 5th

http://www.vh1.com/shows/dyn/behind_the_music/81346/episode.jhtml
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on July 19, 2004, 02:27 PM
Gn'R Behind the Music premieres on July 4th at Noon...the official premiere is July 5th

http://www.vh1.com/shows/dyn/behind_the_music/81346/episode.jhtml

So. . .  did anybody watch this thing?  And, if so, what did you learn?

I learned that there may have been some alcohol and narcotics abuse going on back in the late '80's.

 :-X
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2004, 02:37 PM
Say it ain't so?!

I got that same feeling watching the Poison and Motley Crue behind the music episodes, but denial kept me from accepting the truth.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on July 19, 2004, 02:39 PM
I did not see it as I was on Vacation that week.  

I can bet though that this was mentioned

"Fame, glory and millions of fans were there for the members of Guns n' Roses, sadly, it would all come crashing down due to the excesses of drugs and alcohol"

That line is like in every Behind the Music Episode
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on July 19, 2004, 02:49 PM
Actually, the show had a different perspective on things:

It didn't blame their downfall on booze or drugs (as a lot of the BTM shows are wont to do).  

Rather, it pegged one person as responsible for the break-up of one of the greatest hard rock bands of all time.

Guess who?

(http://www.cht.qc.ca/cht/images/axlrose.jpg)

That's right.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on July 19, 2004, 02:53 PM
Rather, it pegged one person as responsible for the break-up of one of the greatest hard rock bands of all time.

Guess who?

(http://www.timscott.com/images/china/cc_ted1.jpg)

Teddy "Zig-Zag" "Big-Bag" Andreas?  That BASTARD!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on July 19, 2004, 02:54 PM
And although that photo of Axl, rolling his eyes like a valley girl, and wearing his turquoise suit while testifying in court, is probably my favorite photograph of all time, this one is too good to pass up:

(http://content.clearchannel.com/Photos/musicians/guns_n_roses/axl_rose_GI.jpg)

Here's Axl, auditioning for the all-new Milli Vanilli reunion tour, as a replacement for either Milli or Vanilli, whichever one killed himself.

Good luck, Axl!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on July 19, 2004, 03:19 PM
Teddy "Zig-Zag" "Big-Bag" Andreas?  That BASTARD!

You're very close.  

Actually, Teddy was on the show, for a little bit.  He's a bit older now, wiser, more mature--he's grown up.  He now goes by "Theodore 'Big-bag, Zig-zag' Andreadis" instead.

No, he was really on there, but his name was listed as just "Teddy Zig-Zag" (no "Andreadis"), which I thought was funny.  Apparently, his bosses at Denny's are pretty cool, and let him have a ten-minute combination smoke/VH1 interview break during his shift.

Not surprisingly, Slash, Duff, and Matt got the most airtime, and Steven Adler got some, too.  I'd make jokes about Steven Adler's condition--but honestly, it's too sad for even me to make fun of.

And also not surprisingly, Izzy and Axl were nowhere to be found. . .
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on July 19, 2004, 03:25 PM
(http://gnrsucks.com/e107_plugins/coppermine_menu/albums/userpics/oldpics/normal_axlrainbowmay03.jpg)

Wasn't one of the members of Milli Vanilli batting for the other team?  I'm wondering if that's the one he's trying to replace?????
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on July 19, 2004, 03:31 PM
Oh, dear Lord.

I don't know what to say.  

This man was my hero and idol for several of my formative years, and it's just. . .  wow.

I may be laughing on the outside, but I'm crying on the inside.

And I think Vanilli was the gay one.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Rob on July 19, 2004, 03:35 PM

Rather, it pegged one person as responsible for the break-up of one of the greatest hard rock bands of all time.

Guess who?

(http://www.hipposandrhinos.com/newfolder/images/buckethead.jpg)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on August 3, 2004, 10:06 AM
So last night, I went to a "Buffalo Wild Wings" (restaurant/sports bar-type place).  Got a little sloppy drunk, and decided to take a look at the jukebox.  

"Well, I'll check it out, and see what they have, and if they have anything good, I'm gonna pick some tunes."

So the first couple of pages of CD covers were what you would expect to find at a hot wings eatery in the middle of Oklahoma.  You've got your Eagles Greatest Hits, your Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell, Zeppelin IV, and, of course, some Skynyrd.  Probably some Steve Miller and Jimmy Buffett in there, too.  I don't remember them all.  

But imagine my surprise when I came across Use Your Illusion I.  

Well, that sealed the deal.  So I picked "Drive" by The Cars first, and then "Coma", and then Al Green's "Let's Stay Together".

And "Coma" isn't even my favorite song, but I figured, at around ten minutes long, I'd get a lot more bang for my buck by picking that one instead of some three-or-four-minute number.

(And yeah, "November Rain" is equally as long as "Coma", but that just doesn't translate as well in that type of environment.  You know.)

So, "Drive" comes and goes, and here comes GN'R.  Everything's good for the first few minutes, but about halfway through, right around that slow, quiet part, the the song started skipping!  At first, I thought, well, it's just skipping for a second, just like my own personal copy at home--no big deal.  

But it continued to skip until the very end of the song.  Until Al Green came on.

I didn't get visual proof, as I couldn't see the jukebox, but it's my contention that someone there with special jukebox access sabotaged my selection.  Maybe because it was a ten-minute song, maybe it was because of the questionable language, maybe it was because that song stopped being cool about twelve years ago.  I don't know.

But I do know that I got gypped out of half of one of my three selections, which, at three songs for a dollar, translates out to about 33 cents a song, so half of that would be about 17 cents.

I'm still puzzled about the whole incident--I mean, if you aren't prepared to hear all of the songs on a CD, for whatever reason, then don't put that CD in the jukebox.  

Dickwads.

However, all was not lost:

In their little nationwide satellite trivia game, I came in in 63rd place in the country, which I was quite proud of.

That's all.  
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on August 3, 2004, 10:54 AM
Did you have any wings or was it just libations?  I like their wings there, usually go with the #11 Sauce, #12 doesn't do so well coming out the other side

I had heard rumors of Axl going around to different watering holes and was seen tampering with jukeboxes, weird...
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Rob on August 3, 2004, 11:09 AM
I had heard rumors of Axl going around to different watering holes and was seen tampering with jukeboxes, weird...

Suddenly this picture makes a lot more sense.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/nextseason/Misc/axl.jpg)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on August 4, 2004, 10:16 AM
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Did you have any wings or was it just libations?  I like their wings there, usually go with the #11 Sauce, #12 doesn't do so well coming out the other side

Well, of course we had some wings--we were at Buffalo Wild Wings.  If we were just drinking, we would have gone to a bar.  

My first time there, actually--I'm not a fan of the traditional wings, with the bones and all.  But, they had boneless wings, so I had some of those with their new Captain Morgan sauce.  Very tasty--I'll have to go back and try some of their other sauces sometime.

Suddenly this picture makes a lot more sense.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/nextseason/Misc/axl.jpg)

I don't really know what to do with this.  

I mean, obviously, Zod took some time to create it, so it definitely deserves a response of some kind, but I got nothin'.

I'll put it up here on the new page in hopes that someone far more wittier than I can come up with a humourous statement of some kind that may be able to do it justice.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on August 4, 2004, 10:19 AM
I wonder if "Gn'R" will be a surprise addition to the Vote for Change concerts...
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on August 4, 2004, 10:33 AM
I wonder if "Gn'R" will be a surprise addition to the Vote for Change concerts...

Actually, yes, they will.

They'll be playing a re-done version of an old standard. . .

"Back Off Bush".

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on August 4, 2004, 10:47 AM
I hope they break out "Sweet Kerry O' Mine"
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Rob on August 4, 2004, 11:32 AM

I don't really know what to do with this.  

I mean, obviously, Zod took some time to create it, so it definitely deserves a response of some kind, but I got nothin'.

I'll put it up here on the new page in hopes that someone far more wittier than I can come up with a humourous statement of some kind that may be able to do it justice.

Well.  It took about a minute and a half.  But thanks for noticing nonetheless.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on August 4, 2004, 11:45 AM
I hope they break out "Sweet Kerry O' Mine"

That is just. . .  awful.

Quote
Well.  It took about a minute and a half.  But thanks for noticing nonetheless.

Well, yeah, it didn't look like anything that would have taken you hours upon hours to do, but still, you did it, so it deserves some sort of comment, instead of just rotting away at the bottom of the last page.

I'm just frustrated that I can't come up with anything at all even remotely funny to say about it.

It's probably due to my extreme lack of sleep as of late.

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on September 21, 2004, 04:27 PM
TEMPE, Ariz., Aug. 31 /PRNewswire/ -- McFarlane Toys is pleased to announce the latest figure to join our expanding collection of music figures. Slash, the greatest guitarist to come out of the late 1980s, and a former member of one of the top rock bands of all time, has become the latest edition.

With his trademark top hat and omnipresent cigarette, the guitarist born Saul Hudson challenged and destroyed the stagnant musical scene of the late '80s with his former band. Slash still remains one of the premier hard-rock guitarists of all time, touring currently with Velvet Revolver whose debut album, Contraband, has reached platinum status.

"It's extremely flattering and humbling to be immortalized in plastic," said Slash.

The figure will feature Slash with his top hat and leather jacket while playing guitar. It will be available at mass retailers in July and will sell for $10 - $12.


Wooohooo!  Is a W. Axl Rose figure far behind????
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on October 8, 2004, 02:08 PM
The Revolvers (is that what we're calling them, The Revolvers?) have announced some new dates:

10/16/04   Starwood Amp.                              Nashville,TN
10/17/04   Vodoo Festival                             New Orleans,LA
10/19/04   The Green on the East End                  Tulsa,OK
10/20/04   Zoo Amphitheatre                           Oklahoma City,OK
10/23/04   Phoenix Coliseum/ AZ St Fair               Phoenix,AZ
10/24/04   Smirnoff Center                            Dallas,TX
10/25/04   Dodge Arena                                Hidalgo,TX
10/28/04   Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre              San Antonio,TX
10/30/04   Cynthia Woods Pavilion                     Houston,TX
10/31/04   Alltel Arena                               Little Rock,AK
11/01/04   Austin Music Hall                          Austin,TX
11/05/04   Foutwell (Presale 10/8, Onsale 10/9)       Birmingham,AL
11/06/04   Desoto County Civic (Presale 10/8, Onsal   Memphis,TN
11/07/04   Cricket                                    Charlotte,NC
11/09/04   Worcester Centrum (Presale 10/8, Onsale    Worcester,MA
11/10/04   Dunkin Dougnuts Arena                      Providence,RI
11/11/04   Spectrum                                   Philadelphia,PA
11/13/04   Bell Centre                                Montreal,QUE
11/14/04   Cumberland County Civic Center             Portland,ME
11/16/04   Air Canada Centre                          Toronto,ONT
11/17/04   Schotenstein Center                        Columbus,OH
11/19/04   Target Center                              Minneapolis,MN
11/20/04   Dane County Coliseum                       Madison,WI
11/21/04   Allstate Arena                             Chicago,IL
11/23/04   Emerald Theatre                            Detroit,MI

Thanks to a friend long gone for the tip-off :)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Vote for Chewbacca the Wookiee on October 15, 2004, 01:02 AM
Is that Slash still in stores?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Famine on October 15, 2004, 02:54 PM
OH I GET IT!


SMILEYFACEGUY!!! :)


Holy ****, it took me long enough to find the L for Smiley.


Kevin
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: sfg on October 15, 2004, 03:20 PM
OH I GET IT!


SMILEYFACEGUY!!! :)


Holy ****, it took me long enough to find the L for Smiley.


Kevin

I don't get it  ???
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Famine on October 15, 2004, 03:22 PM
Bold letters.


Read the concert tour list again.


Kevin
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: sfg on October 15, 2004, 03:29 PM
OK, now I get it.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on October 15, 2004, 04:22 PM
Someone got the code...whew

And Chewbacca, Slash won't be out until next year
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: sfg on November 3, 2004, 10:16 PM
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: sfg on November 3, 2004, 10:17 PM
Look at your young men fighting,
Look at your women crying,
Look at your young men dying,
The way they've always done before.
Look at the hate we're breeding,
Look at the fear we're feeding,
Look at the lives we're leading,
The way we've always done before.

My hands are tied,
The billions shift from side to side,
And the wars go on with brainwashed pride,
For the love of god and our human rights.
And all these things are swept aside,
By bloody hands time can't deny,
And are washed away by your genocide,
And history hides the lies of our civil war.

Did you wear a black armband,
When they shot the man,
Who said ‘peace could last forever?’
And in my first memories,
They shot Kennedy,
I went numb when I learned to see.
So I never fell for Viet Nam,
We got the wall in D.C. to remind us all,
That you can't trust freedom,
When it's not in your hands,
When everybody's fighting
For the promised land.

*   *   *   *   *   *   *

Look at the shoes your filling,
Look at the blood we're spilling,
Look at the world we're killing,
The way we've always done before.
Look in the doubt we've wallowed,
Look at the leaders we've followed,
Look at the lies we've swallowed,
And I don't want to hear no more.

My hands are tied,
For all I’ve seen has changed my mind,
But still the wars go on as the years go by,
With no love of God or human rights.
'Cause all these dreams are swept aside,
By bloody hands of the hypnotized,
Who carry the cross of homicide,
And history bears the scars of our civil war.

We practice selective annihilation of mayors and government officials, for example, to create a vacuum. 

Then, we fill that vacuum. 

As popular war advances, peace is closer.


*   *   *   *   *   *   *
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Famine on November 3, 2004, 10:29 PM
SFG=Liberal? :(

Kevin
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Vote for Chewbacca the Wookiee on November 4, 2004, 01:38 AM
Someone got the code...whew


Is there some secret conspiracy nobody told me about? lol
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Angry Ewok on November 1, 2005, 01:40 PM
When you're talking to yourself,                                            And Nobody's Home,                                                                                              You can fool yourself...                                                                  You came in this world alone.                                         Alone. 
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Victor_Von_Doom on November 1, 2005, 04:09 PM
I'm from Lafayette, IN , where Axl was from, so there is a decent ammount of GnR fans there. Izzy Stradlin lives right down the road from me, less than a mile away  8)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Angry Ewok on January 21, 2006, 05:37 AM
From an e-mail I got :

Axl Rose told Rolling Stone magazine that Guns N' Roses are working on 32 new songs for their long overdue "Chinese Democracy" album  (which has been in the works for a decade), 26 of
which are "nearly done."  Thirteen of those tracks will be selected for inclusion on the final album, he  said. 

"People will hear music this year," he reportedly said.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: JesseVader08 on January 21, 2006, 10:13 AM
Hmmm.  Chinese Democracy, how ironic.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Jim on January 21, 2006, 02:21 PM
From an e-mail I got :

Axl Rose told Rolling Stone magazine that Guns N' Roses are working on 32 new songs for their long overdue "Chinese Democracy" album  (which has been in the works for a decade), 26 of
which are "nearly done."  Thirteen of those tracks will be selected for inclusion on the final album, he  said. 

"People will hear music this year," he reportedly said.

I saw that article too.  Unfortuneately I think its going to be too late and people are going to say F**k Axl, myself included.  Ive gotten over the fact that they will no longer be the great group they once were.  People have moved on.  I firmly believe they cant compete with Velvet Revolver, whose next album should be very interesting.   
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Famine on January 21, 2006, 02:55 PM
Thats strange, because Slash, I think it was made some comments as to not working with Axl, in the most recent HUSTLER.

Kevin
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on January 21, 2006, 02:57 PM
Thats strange, because Slash, I think it was made some comments as to not working with Axl, in the most recent HUSTLER.

Kevin
That is strange, its like they haven't worked together for like 14 years

I try and feel the sunshine
You bring the rain
You try and hold me down
With your complaints
You cry and moan and complain
You whine an tear
Up to my neck in sorrow
The touch you bring
You just don't step inside to 14 years
So hard to keep my own head... that's what I say
You know...I've been the beggar...
I've played the thief
I was the dog...they all tried to beat


But it's been
14 years of silence
It's been
14 years of pain
It's been
14 years that are gone forever
And I'll never have again


Your stupid girlfriends tell you
That I'm to blame
Well they're all used-up has-beens
Out of the game
This time I'll have the last word
You hear what I say
I tried to see it your way
It won't work today
You just don't step inside to 14 years
So hard to keep my own head...that's what I say
You know...I've been the dealer...
Hangin' on your street
I was the dog...they all tried to beat


But it's been
14 years of silence
It's been
14 years of pain
It's been
14 years that are gone forever
And I'll never have again


bull**** and contemplation
Gossip's their trade
If they knew half the real truth
What would they say
Well I'm past the point of concern
It's time to play
These last 4 years of madness
Sure put me straight
Don't get back 14 years
In just one day
So hard to keep my own head
Just go away
You know...just like a hooker she said
Nothin's for free
Oh I tried to see it your way
I tried to see it your way
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Jim on February 21, 2006, 03:34 PM
I've listened to 4 tracks this past week and all I can say is.....yawn :-\  Its too bad since Axl's voice sounds really good.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on February 21, 2006, 04:05 PM
I've listened to 4 tracks this past week and all I can say is.....yawn :-\  Its too bad since Axl's voice sounds really good.

Where did you listen to the 4 tracks?  Website??
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on February 21, 2006, 06:28 PM
Yeah, please share!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Famine on February 21, 2006, 06:41 PM
I have one of the songs saved on my computer. If either of you guys have AIM I'd gladly share.

Kevin
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Darth Broem on February 21, 2006, 08:42 PM
They are actually still working on that Chinese Democracy album?  I just assumed it was abandoned.  Oh well if Mick Jagger can still hop around a stage at 60 I guess that album might be completed one day.  Kind of like that supposed Indiana Jones 4 film.  It might happen.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on February 22, 2006, 09:40 AM
I have one of the songs saved on my computer. If either of you guys have AIM I'd gladly share.

Sorry, don't have AIM.  Is it free to signup?  Any other way to share the files??

MSN.com had an article about three tracks leaked onto the internet.  Here is the LINK (http://music.msn.com/music/article.aspx?news=216233&GT1=7756)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Jim on February 22, 2006, 10:11 AM
My local radio station plays them almost every hour.  You can go here to stream the broadcast at www.waaf.com

I have 3 songs downloaded at home.  Here is the link:

http://isohunt.com/btDetails.php?ihq=guns+roses&id=8995123

You will need torrent software to download.  If you are not familiar with, I can email them later tonight when I get home.


The 3 songs are: Better, IRS and TWAT
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on February 22, 2006, 10:52 AM

Yes, please!!!  My email is S_A_Longhorn@hotmail.com

Thanx for the link to your station.  I'll be listening today!

I have heard of Torrent, but I have not downloaded it.  Might as well, since WinMX is dead.  :-\

My local rock station in San Antonio: KISS 99.5 FM (http://www.kissrocks.com)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on February 22, 2006, 03:18 PM
Sorry for two-in-a-row, but.....

I was listening to WAAF today while at work.  Always cool to listen to another city's radio stations.  The local commercials are lost on me, but still interesting.  Where exactly in MASS is this station based out of??

They did mention that they could no longer play the new GNR tracks since their lawyers actually called them and ordered them to stop.  So no luck...

I do like their more hands-on format, compared to my local rock station, KISS 99.5.  The 3:00 PM Grunge hour is unique and original.  KISS will only play the non-singles late night on weekends.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Jim on February 22, 2006, 03:49 PM
Sorry for two-in-a-row, but.....

I was listening to WAAF today while at work.  Always cool to listen to another city's radio stations.  The local commercials are lost on me, but still interesting.  Where exactly in MASS is this station based out of??

They did mention that they could no longer play the new GNR tracks since their lawyers actually called them and ordered them to stop.  So no luck...

I do like their more hands-on format, compared to my local rock station, KISS 99.5.  The 3:00 PM Grunge hour is unique and original.  KISS will only play the non-singles late night on weekends.

They are based in Boston.  The station plays a good mix.  Each DJ is pretty unique.  I actuaully went to high school with one of the DJ's.   

As for your KISS station, I got a chuckle since up here, KISS FM is a dance station.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Jim on February 22, 2006, 05:57 PM
I was able to get my hands on as few more songs for a total of 7.

1. IRS
2. Better
3. There Was a Time
4. Chinese Democracy
5. Madagascar
6. The Blues
7. Oh My God

Axl's voice sounds great but the rest of the band is just trying to mimic the original members IMO.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Famine on February 22, 2006, 06:43 PM
I have Chinese Democracy (song) and thats about it.

I can also have it sent over YIM for anyone interested.

AIM is free to sign up on. WWW.AIM.COM

Kevin
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Angry Ewok on February 22, 2006, 09:02 PM
Don't do it... Kevin sent it to me - sounded like ass.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Reid on February 22, 2006, 09:27 PM
Don't do it... Kevin sent it to me - sounded like ass.


You mean the sound quality or the actual song?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Angry Ewok on February 22, 2006, 09:29 PM
Both, actually. After listening to it for about 25 seconds, I had to delete it.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Rob on February 27, 2006, 11:39 AM
Maybe this has been covered already, but what the hell is wrong with Axl?

(http://www.metalsludge.tv/home/images/stories/Sludged/axlg7ue.jpg)


Get in shape, lose the Ali G outfit, and beg Slash to come back.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Angry Ewok on February 27, 2006, 04:37 PM
Holy ****.

He's gotta be bankrupt.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 28, 2006, 01:10 AM
Are you sure it's Axl?  That looks like Tom from the Bob & Tom show! (http://www.bobandtom.com/gen3/index.htm)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Famine on February 28, 2006, 01:18 AM
Please some one photoshop Phil's head onto that picture.

Please.

Kevin
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Rob on February 28, 2006, 10:24 AM
Are you sure it's Axl?  That looks like Tom from the Bob & Tom show! (http://www.bobandtom.com/gen3/index.htm)

Metal Sludge says it's Axl and it sure looks like him to me.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Darth Broem on February 28, 2006, 09:15 PM
Is that really him?  Wow!   He just looks so odd with with extra weight and a goatee if it is.  Yikes! 
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: sfg on March 1, 2006, 09:49 AM
Is that really him?



It's him.  Check out the hat:  W.A.R. = W. Axl Rose




(http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/8812/sfgnr5dn.gif)



Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: sfg on March 15, 2006, 01:54 PM
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/268293/slash.gif)
 (http://www.liebography.com/gnr1.html)





Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on May 8, 2006, 10:51 PM
:) (sfgwmy@wtwaw's)

Axl Rose heralds new Guns N' Roses album (http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/entertainment/14529943.htm)

Quote
NEW YORK - Rock recluse Axl Rose made a surprise radio appearance to proclaim that Guns N' Roses 10-years-in-the-making "Chinese Democracy" album will finally hit store shelves this fall.

The comments Saturday on Eddie Trunk's syndicated radio show marked the first interview the painfully private Rose has given since his failed 2002 comeback tour, which was abruptly scrapped midway amid riots and canceled shows.

Roses impromptu appearance came when former Skid Row frontman Sebastian Bach, who was co-hosting the show, called Rose's cell phone and patched the call through the studio.

Quizzed on when the near-mythical album would come out, Rose said, "Sometime this fall or late fall." His band could be heard rehearsing in the background. "It will be out this year."

Trunk invited Rose to drop by the studio, and about an hour later he did.

Asked about the aborted 2002 comeback tour, which ended when Rose failed to appear for a gig in Philadelphia, Rose told Trunk he felt pressured into doing it before he was ready. But he insisted he has no regrets, since the short-lived tour helped the new band members to gel. (The 2002 lineup included keyboard player Dizzy Reed from the original GNR, former Nine Inch Nails guitarist Robin Finck, bassist Tommy Stinson from the Replacements, guitar shredder Buckethead, drummer Brian "Brain" Mantia formerly of Primus, guitarist Richard Fortus from the former Psychedelic Furs and Love Spit Love, and keyboard player Chris Pittman.)

"Can you tell people why the tour ended at that point?" asked Trunk.

"Umm, no, not exactly," said Rose, declining to discuss it.

Plans are currently in the works for Rose to relaunch his comeback by playing four shows at New Yorks Hammerstein Ballroom over the next 10 days, then head to Europe to play several music festivals.

Rose said the band at the Hammerstein shows will be similar to the one that played the 2002 tour, except for a new lead guitarist, whom he declined to identify except to say it's not an old GNR member. Buckethead left the band in 2004.

However, later in the broadcast, Rose seemed to contradict himself when he said hes been hobnobbing with former GNR guitarist and songwriter Izzy Stradlin, and strongly hinted that Stradlin may show up for the Hammerstein shows.

Former GNR guitar maestro Slash may end up back in the band as well, but probably not before the Hammerstein shows.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 8, 2006, 10:54 PM
 >:(
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on May 8, 2006, 10:57 PM
Your just pissed I scooped you on your favorite band ::)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 8, 2006, 11:01 PM
Your just pissed I scooped you on your favorite band ::)

My just what?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on May 8, 2006, 11:03 PM
You're just pissed I scooped you on your favorite band
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 8, 2006, 11:04 PM
Nice punctuation, Lady Jaye.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on May 8, 2006, 11:05 PM
You're just pissed I scooped you on your favorite band!!!!!!!!111!!!!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 8, 2006, 11:07 PM
Guns N' Roses isn't my favorite band.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on May 8, 2006, 11:09 PM
Who is the one who actually went to see them on the failed 2002 tour?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 8, 2006, 11:13 PM
Who is the one who saw 'em twice back in the glory days?  Back when the name "Guns N' Roses" wasn't just a music business punchline?  Back in 1992?  You just don't step inside, to fourteen years.  Who is the one who talked to Axl and Slash on the phone?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on May 8, 2006, 11:18 PM
I was just reading page 1 of this thread to try and show how you are the board's greatest Gn'f'nR fan when I saw that Patty Colman was in the November Rain video. 

I just went and got the video capture.  Sorry for the grainy shot:

(http://www.bjornolsson.net/kamera/images/20040717/slash.jpg)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 8, 2006, 11:29 PM
I got nothin'.

----

I downloaded a ****load of late '87/early '88 shows a couple weeks ago.  Those were the real glory days of GN'R--things just got way too show-bizzy on the Illusion tour (and albums).  And I was actually listening to the '88 MTV, Live at the Ritz show earlier today.

Chinese Democracy is the new Episode I
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Angry Ewok on May 9, 2006, 11:17 AM
I wish I could play the guitar like Slash.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Jim on May 9, 2006, 11:25 AM
interesting read over at KNAC.  You can check out the brief interview with Axl.

www.knac.com

Izzy Stradlin possibly playing a few shows.  And Slash ::)

The bummer for you fans is he is now saying Fall to late Fall for Chinese Democracy.  Wasnt it going to be Summer a few weeks back?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 9, 2006, 11:30 AM
The bummer for you fans is he is now saying Fall to late Fall for Chinese Democracy.  Wasnt it going to be Summer a few weeks back?

For those of us who have been following this album since, oh, about 1998, the news that it's been pushed back a few months should come as no surprise.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on May 12, 2006, 02:59 PM
Another update - sorry if it is a repost:


GUNS N ROSES

Guns N Roses will open for the Rolling Stones July 10th in Nurenburg, Gremany and July 12th in Leipzig, Germany.

Axl Rose has recently revealed the band's long-awaited effort "Chinese Democracy" will hit shelves before the end of the year.
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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Ben on May 18, 2006, 12:03 PM
He's said Chinese Democracy "will be out before the end of the year" every year since 2000.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on May 18, 2006, 05:11 PM
More news on my local radio station web page:

GUNS N ROSES



The Reuters news service filed a report on the 2nd night of a 4-night Guns N Roses stand at New York's Hammerstein Ballroom. Here's an excerpt:

Guns N' Roses performed nine of the 12 songs from its 1987 debut album "Appetite for Destruction," including "Welcome to the Jungle" and "Sweet Child O' Mine." Other crowd pleasers included "You Could Be Mine," "Live and Let Die," and the ballads "November Rain" and "Patience."

It was the second of four sold-out shows scheduled at Hammerstein. After Friday and Sunday, the band will play again Monday and Wednesday before a series of European festival appearances that will begin May 25 in Madrid and will include two dates opening for the Rolling Stones in Germany.

While the crowd came to hear the old hits, Guns N' Roses also played several songs from "Chinese Democracy," including "Madagascar" and "IRS." Rose told a New York radio station last week that the album might come out this fall. During the show, he thanked the crowd for its patience.



Anybody in the New York area???
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: JohnH on May 19, 2006, 02:54 AM
I wish I could play the guitar like Slash.


misterkenutjob can.  Or was it just Gilmour and Hendrix he was better than?  I can never remember...

Anyone know if GNR ever played "Coma" live?  And if so, anyone know where to find it?  Easily my favorite GNR song.

John
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 19, 2006, 09:28 AM
Anyone know if GNR ever played "Coma" live?  And if so, anyone know where to find it?  Easily my favorite GNR song.

They did play it live, but very rarely--I wanna say they only played it three times.  I know they played it at the 1992-04-09 Chicago show, because that was the show right after I saw 'em in OKC.   >:(

Watch it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-Sr1A8C8DY)

And according to GNRontour.com (http://www.gnrontour.com/), they also played it at the 1991-06-04 show in Richfield, Ohio, in Tokyo on 1992-02-19, and at the 1993-04-10 show in Omaha.  So, four times.

They also released it as a bonus track on the Japanese and vinyl versions of the Live Era '87-'93 album.  I've got an MP3 of it somewhere--I'll see if I can't put it up here in a little while.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on May 19, 2006, 04:09 PM


Watch it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-Sr1A8C8DY)


MANY THANX FOR THAT LINK, MWB!!! ;D ;D ;D

That was awesome!  I much prefer the live version versus the album version with the added special effects and bitches.  That song sounds classic when played live!

I love the live versions of DOUBLE TALKIN' JIVE and THE GODFATHER THEME from the Tokyo concert.  Great jam sessions

Any way to convert that in a MP3 file so I can load onto my iPod???

Furthermore, can anybody send me the MP3 files of the "new" GNR Chinease Democracy songs?  I tried a while back to get them from JIM, but I never received his emails. 

PM me for details.

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 19, 2006, 04:21 PM
MANY THANX FOR THAT LINK, MWB!!! ;D ;D ;D

Oh, settle down.

I've got some Chinese Democracy MP3s and other stuff.  I'll try to get 'em uploaded tonight, along with the live Coma I mentioned earlier.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 20, 2006, 11:33 AM
I.R.S. MP3 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=B1FEF54425CF0251)
Better (Demo) MP3 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=6E090B1B58D6771D)
The Blues MP3 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=7E54FF21509FAF9D)
There Was a Time MP3 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=563E2AD1583DFB77)

There are a couple more Chinese Democracy tracks that have leaked in the last few months, but those are all that I've got.

And, as promised:

Coma (live) MP3 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=55FC9B1816D553BF)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on May 20, 2006, 12:08 PM
Thanks a ton.  Coma live is frickin' awesome.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on May 20, 2006, 01:49 PM
Yeah that is awesome.  After listening on iTunes this came up...no ****

You believe all the **** you read?

I said, you believe all the **** you read?

You ever wonder why you're given so much **** to read?

You're given a lot of **** to read . . .because. . . there's a lot of ****in' people out there who, uh. . . I don't think I should even give them the credit to say they're very conscious of that which they are doing. . .

But it's mainly because they don't want things like this post here at Rebelscum to ****ing happen.

Yeah, there's a, there's a lot of people who don't know why they do things. . . But some of the reasons behind that, are they don't want the people like you, that are here today, to see some little loud-mouthed ****er like me, who crawled out of some ****hole somewhere, and worked his way up onto this message board!

They don't want--there's something out there that doesn't want people like you to realize that you can do whatever the **** you want with your goddamn life.

And unless--there are those, that unless they got a piece of the pie, unless they got a piece of your *** , unless they got a piece of your life, they just don't want it to happen. You do it their way, or you don't do it.

Well they can suck my **** .

I believe that deep inside everybody, there's something inside you that knows what the **** it is you're supposed to do with your life, and no matter what anybody tells you, if you keep lookin', and if you keep diggin', you're gonna find it, and you can be the person you're ****in' meant to be on this goddamn planet.

And don't let anybody, anybody ever get in your way. . . including me.

And I know it's not, like the most humane thing, but, you can, uh, when it gets real rough, you can think of a little theme song, that somebody wrote, namely Mr. Paul McCartney. And when they're tryin' to keep you down, just hold on and know that someday, you'll bust out and you'll get under your own **** and they won't be able to ****ing keep up with your *** , and you can be thinking: Just live and let die, mother****er.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on May 20, 2006, 02:18 PM
Also...does anyone have the Gilby/Axl duet on Gilby's solo disc of the Stones "Dead Flowers"?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: JohnH on May 20, 2006, 10:19 PM
And, as promised:

Coma (live) MP3 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=55FC9B1816D553BF)

I thank you, kind sir.  If you were here right now I'd give you a big bear hug to thank you.  Then I'd walk away feeling really awkward and never speak of it again.

John

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on May 20, 2006, 10:54 PM
I.R.S. MP3 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=B1FEF54425CF0251)
Better (Demo) MP3 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=6E090B1B58D6771D)
The Blues MP3 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=7E54FF21509FAF9D)
There Was a Time MP3 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=563E2AD1583DFB77)

There are a couple more Chinese Democracy tracks that have leaked in the last few months, but those are all that I've got.

And, as promised:

Coma (live) MP3 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=55FC9B1816D553BF)

Thank you very much, sir!  I've still got a lot to learn about these MP3 files.  :)

MWB, do you know the name of the middle song the new GNR performed at the MTV Awards?  It was in between Welcome to the Jungle and Paradise City.

I have the Gilby/Axl song "Dead Horses" from Gilby's Pawnshop Guitars CD.  If someone tells me how to upload it, I'll post it.  Good album overall, especially the first song which has Slash on lead guitar.  All members of GNR played on it on various songs.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 21, 2006, 01:27 AM
No problem Bill, John. . .  uh. . .  "S.A. Longhorn."

I've still got a lot to learn about these MP3 files.  :)

(snip)

I have the Gilby/Axl song "Dead Horses" from Gilby's Pawnshop Guitars CD.  If someone tells me how to upload it, I'll post it.

You know how to convert tracks from a CD into MP3s, right?  Once you've done that, and have the MP3s on your computer, go to http://www.yousendit.com.  Then you just follow the directions.  Put in an e-mail address (doesn't have to be legit), click "browse" to find the file you want to upload, click "send it," and when it's done loading it, copy the URL the file is posted at, and paste the URL here or wherever. 

It's all totally free--you don't even have to register, unless you want some added features.  And it's really pretty self-explanatory.  I figured it out all by myself, and, as several people here can attest, I'm a total ******* idiot when it comes to pretty much anything having to do with a computer.

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MWB, do you know the name of the middle song the new GNR performed at the MTV Awards?  It was in between Welcome to the Jungle and Paradise City.

It was "Madagascar," from the upcoming ((http://cipher.addf.net/forums/html/emoticons/jackoff.gif)) Chinese Democracy album.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Ben on May 21, 2006, 04:09 AM
(http://cipher.addf.net/forums/html/emoticons/jackoff.gif)

Greatest emoticon ever.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on May 22, 2006, 10:35 AM
No problem Bill, John. . .  uh. . .  "S.A. Longhorn."


You know how to convert tracks from a CD into MP3s, right?  Once you've done that, and have the MP3s on your computer, go to http://www.yousendit.com.  Then you just follow the directions.  Put in an e-mail address (doesn't have to be legit), click "browse" to find the file you want to upload, click "send it," and when it's done loading it, copy the URL the file is posted at, and paste the URL here or wherever. 

Thanx again for the info regarding YouSendIt.com.  I'll upload the Dead Flowers MP file later today when I get home.

Been listening to the new GNR songs.  Despite what everybody says, I do like the tracks.  I.R.S. is my favorite of the 4 songs posted by MWB.  I also like the shortened Better, but the track is a 1 minute version.  The other two songs are OK.   Just good to hear Axl's voice again.

Are there any recommended free or pay file swapping programs?  I used to use WinMX, but that has been "closed" down.  I'd like to get as many of the leaked songs of Chinese Democracy.

And my name is Darin, MWB.  :)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on May 23, 2006, 03:15 AM
Here is the Gilby/Axl version of "Dead Flowers":

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=D9C36DE249AA2073

Hope I did it right... ;)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on May 23, 2006, 10:25 AM
Many thanks Darin I don't know what happened to my copy of that CD.  I either sold it or lost it but I've loved that song forever, its one of Axl's finest vocals ever IMO as he seems like he was just meant to sing that song

Now..do you have this, the greatest CD of the 20th Century?

(http://www.nolifetilmetal.com/images/duff_believe.jpg)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on May 23, 2006, 11:51 AM
Now..do you have this, the greatest CD of the 20th Century?

(http://www.nolifetilmetal.com/images/duff_believe.jpg)

I never had a CD version of Duff's solo album, but I did have the album on cassette.  Over time, that album grew on me especially when was I down or depressed. 

Not that the songs are about depression, but they just have a good vibe to them to pick-me-up and get me going.   Lost my cassette a few years ago, unfortunately. 

Hey, if anyone else can post any other Chinese Democracy songs, please do so!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 23, 2006, 05:48 PM
(http://cipher.addf.net/forums/html/emoticons/jackoff.gif)

Greatest emoticon ever.

Would you believe that smiley was actually invented because there was no other smiley that was able to properly convey just how silly the whole Chinese Democracy thing has become?

Many thanks Darin I don't know what happened to my copy of that CD.  I either sold it or lost it but I've loved that song forever, its one of Axl's finest vocals ever IMO as he seems like he was just meant to sing that song

(http://cipher.addf.net/forums/html/emoticons/jackoff.gif)

Original's better (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=F1884AE21CA08F64)

Still not the worst Stones cover they ever did, though.  That honor belongs to "Sympathy for the Devil."  Man alive, that was awful.

(But thanks for uploading it anyway, Darin.  Mighty fine, mighty fine.  And feel free to call me Matt, if you want.  This whole "MWB" thing is gay.)

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on May 23, 2006, 06:51 PM
Hey :homeschooled:!  are you trying to imply that I didn't kn ow that is was orignally a Stones song? ::) :o ::) :o  If so you must have manure for brains MWB.  BTW, you probably own Believe in Me, could you hook us up with some songs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!!!!!11
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 23, 2006, 07:54 PM
homeschooled

(http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/images/smilies/furious.gif) (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=A8B5096137FAEC75)

Could it be you?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on May 26, 2006, 10:40 AM
More info on Axl and the new GNR:

http://music.aol.com/photo-galleries/where-has-axl-rose-been

Possible sign of good things to come.  Anybody in Portgual tomorrow?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 27, 2006, 04:01 PM
AOL will also be showing The Axl Rose Band's concert at Rock in Rio tonight, starting at 7:15 PM Central. 

http://music.aol.com/network_live/concert_videos/guns_n_roses
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on May 27, 2006, 11:22 PM
you know what sucks...all of the extra **** they play during their shows.  Does anyone even do that any more?  Do you really need a Dizzy Reed Solo?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 28, 2006, 01:05 PM
you know what sucks...all of the extra **** they play during their shows.  Does anyone even do that any more?  Do you really need a Dizzy Reed Solo?

Yeah, I hear ya.  Dizzy Reed is such a schlub.  Haven't liked him since Day 1.  And you know he's like the Rick McCallum to Axl's George Lucas--ever the yes man.  He has to be, though, or else he would have had his ass kicked out of the band years ago.  (http://images.dvdtalk.com/images/smilies/lol.gif)  Even has the same cornrow hair, for God's sake.

But Axl's trying to keep it as old school as possible, though, I guess.  Probably a good idea--people aren't there to see Axl and a bunch of guys they don't know play a bunch of songs they've never heard (and probably never will again, on any kind of an official release, anyway).  They did the solos back in the old days, so they'll do them now, too, because that's what Axl knows. 

And he also knows that the solos aren't everybody's cup of tea, from what he said before the drum solo last night--something like "we're gonna do this because we're into it, and because it'll irritate the **** out of everybody else."

I think the only purpose the solos really serve is to give Axl a rest.  You know, time to do one of his Cher-like costume changes, and get some much-needed oxygen, and some even-more-needed Botox injections. . . 

I will say, though, that Gilby and Slash soloing on "Wild Horses" before going into "Patience" in OKC is what got me interested in the Stones. 

But that may be a little different from some dickhead doing a ten-minute keyboard or drum solo. . .
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on June 1, 2006, 01:42 PM
OK, finally watched/listened to the Rock in Rio 2006 concert...

I know this may be "unpopular", but the new GNR does has some great talent.  Since the band is such a recluse, this was the first time I got to hear an extended concert with the new lineup. 

Finck & Fortus playing "Beautiful" was awesome and incredible.  OCB mentioned he didn't care for it, but I enjoy listening to the solos to get a break from the songs.  As mentioned, it is pure-GNR to do those solos.  But why play a Christina Aguilera song??  What's next....Britney??

And how many guitarist do they have?  Finck, Fortus, and "Bumblefoot" Thal?  Did "Bumblefoot" replace Buckethead??  If Axl allows them to play their styles and flesh out their ideas, the new songs could really be outstanding just b/c of the level of skill by all 3 guitarist.  Interesting to see all 3 guys share the guitar solos on 'November Rain.'

As usual, Axl sounds like **** until midway thru the concert.  He started to sound good beginning with 'Out Ta Get Me'.   I read that they played some of the new songs, but those are missing from the AOL lineup now.  Typical, always trying to hide the new stuff. 

But after watching/listening to this semi-full length concert, I am excited to hear anything released by this new lineup.  Axl does have a solid band put together, but how long will any of them wait for Axl to finally release the new material?? 

Honestly, what is reason for the countless delays in releasing "Chinese Democracy"?  Some of the songs posted on this thread got my interest, but even today they are several years old.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on June 1, 2006, 01:52 PM
Honestly, what is reason for the countless delays in releasing "Chinese Democracy"?

Read this article.  It's long, and it's over a year old, but it really is a fascinating look into the epic saga that has been, and continues to be, the making of Chinese Democracy:

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March 6, 2005
The Most Expensive Album Never Made
By JEFF LEEDS

WEST HOLLYWOOD, Calif.

IN the faint red light of the Rainbow Bar and Grill, Tom Zutaut sips at his drink and spills a bit of regret. It's been 19 years since he signed the then-unknown rock band Guns N' Roses to a contract with Geffen Records, where they turned into multiplatinum superstars. Back in those days, the Rainbow was their hangout of choice.

Years after he left the label, he returned in 2001 to try to coax Axl Rose, the band's magnetic leader and by then its only original member, into completing one of the most highly anticipated albums in the industry: an opus tentatively titled "Chinese Democacy." The deadline for turning in the album had passed two years earlier.

"I really thought I could get him to deliver the record," said Mr. Zutaut, who spent nine months trying. "And we got close."

He is speaking in relative terms. Mr. Zutaut is but one of a long series of executives and producers brought in over the years to try to conjure up the maddeningly elusive album - to cajole the reclusive rock star into composing, singing, recording, even just showing up. Like everyone else who had tried, or has tried since, Mr. Zutaut came away empty-handed.

Mr. Rose began work on the album in 1994, recording in fits and starts with an ever-changing roster of musicians, marching through at least three recording studios, four producers and a decade of music business turmoil. The singer, whose management said he could not be reached for comment for this article, went through turmoil of his own during that period, battling lawsuits and personal demons, retreating from the limelight only to be followed by gossip about his rumored interest in plastic surgery and "past-life regression" therapy.

Along the way, he has racked up more than $13 million in production costs, according to Geffen documents, ranking his unfinished masterpiece as probably the most expensive recording never released. As the production has dragged on, it has revealed one of the music industry's basic weaknesses: the more record companies rely on proven stars like Mr. Rose, the less it can control them.

It's a story that applies to the creation of almost every major album. But in the case of "Chinese Democracy," it has a stark ending: the singer who cast himself as a master of predatory Hollywood in the hit song "Welcome to the Jungle" has come to be known instead as the keeper of the industry's most notorious white elephant.

AT THE STROKE of midnight on Sept. 17, 1991, Guns N' Roses was the biggest band in the world. Hundreds of record stores had stayed open late or re-opened in order to cash in on the first sales that night of "Use Your Illusion," Vols. 1 and 2, the band's new twin albums. On the strength of that promotion - and the coattails of the band's blockbuster 1987 debut - the band set a record: for the first time in rock history, two albums from one act opened at Nos. 1 and 2 on Billboards national album sales chart. But by 1994 their fortunes had changed. After years of drug addiction, lyric controversies, onstage tantrums and occasional fan riots, their members had started to drift away, their lead singer had become bogged down in personal lawsuits, and "The Spaghetti Incident?," their collection of cover versions of classic punk songs, had been released to mixed reviews and disappointing sales.

The members of the band - what was left of it - reconvened at the Complex, a Los Angeles studio, in a massive soundstage with a pool table and a Guns N' Roses-themed pinball machine, to prepare for their next album, which Geffen executives expected to release some time the following year. But they quickly began suffering from an ailment that has proved fatal to bands from time immemorial: boredom.

"They had enough money that they didn't have to do anything," said a longtime observer of the band, one of the 30 people involved with the album who spoke for this article. He spoke on the condition of anonymity, as did many others who had signed a confidentiality agreement while working with Mr. Rose. "You couldn't get everyone in the room at the same time."

Mr. Rose had appointed himself the leader of the project, but he didn't seem to know where to lead. As Slash, the band's longtime guitarist, said recently, in reference to the singer's songwriting style: "It seemed like a dictatorship. We didn't spend a lot of time collaborating. He'd sit back in the chair, watching. There'd be a riff here, a riff there. But I didn't know where it was going."

Geffen was riding toward an uncertain destiny as well: its founder, David Geffen, retired, and its corporate parent, MCA Inc., was sold to the liquor giant Seagram, led by Edgar Bronfman Jr. With all those changes swirling, and with old Guns N' Roses material still ringing up millions in new sales, executives decided to leave the band alone to write and record.

A cover of the Rolling Stones' "Sympathy for the Devil," however, which was released as part of a movie soundtrack, would be the last addition to the original band's catalog. Slash quit the band in 1996; the drummer Matt Sorum and the bassist Duff McKagan were the next to go. Of the founding members, that left just Mr. Rose. But instead of starting something new, he chose to keep the band's name and repopulate it with new musicians. Geffen wasn't in much of a position to deny him. The label was on a cold streak and wagered that fans would still flock to the singer, even if a band had to be rebuilt around him.

Geffen wasn't in much of a position to prod him forward, either. In 1997 Todd Sullivan, who was then a talent executive for the company, sent Mr. Rose a sampling of CD's produced by different people, and encouraged him to choose one to work on "Chinese Democracy." Mr. Sullivan says he received a call informing him that Mr. Rose had run over the albums with a car.

The singer had encouraged everyone in the band's camp to record their ideas for riffs and jams, hours and hours of song fragments that he hoped to process into full compositions. "Most of the stuff he had played me was just sketches," Mr. Sullivan recalled. "I said, 'Look, Axl, this is some really great, promising stuff here. Why don't you consider just bearing down and completing some of these songs?' He goes, 'Hmm, bear down and complete some of these songs?' Next day I get a call from Eddie" - Eddie Rosenblatt, the Geffen chairman - "saying I was off the project."

Around the start of 1998 Mr. Rose moved the band that he had assembled to Rumbo Recorders, a three-room studio deep in the San Fernando Valley where Guns N' Roses had recorded parts for its blockbuster debut, "Appetite for Destruction." The crew turned the studio into a rock star's playground: tapestries, green and yellow lights, state-of-the-art computer equipment and as many as 60 guitars at the ready, according to people involved in the production. But Mr. Rose wasn't there for fun and games. "What Axl wanted to do," one recording expert who was there recalls, "was to make the best record that had ever been made. It's an impossible task. You could go on infinitely, which is what they've done."

As time and dollars flew by, pressure mounted at Geffen. The label's dry spell lingered, making them more dependent than ever on new music from their heavy hitters. "The Hail Mary that's going to save the game," the recording expert who spoke on the condition of anonymity explained, "is a Guns N' Roses record. It keeps not coming and not coming." The label paid Mr. Rose $1 million to press on with the album, with the unusual promise of another $1 million if he delivered "Chinese Democracy" by March 1 of the following year. Geffen also offered one of the producers Mr. Rose had recently hired extra royalties if the recording came in before that.

He never collected. The producer, who goes by the name Youth (his real name is Martin Glover), started visiting the singer in the pool room of his secluded Malibu estate, to try to help him focus on composing. But that collaboration didn't go any better than his predecessors' had. "He kind of pulled out, said 'I'm not ready,' " Youth said. "He was quite isolated. There weren't very many people I think he could trust. It was very difficult to penetrate the walls he'd built up."

Youth's replacement was Sean Beavan - a producer who had previously worked with industrial-rock acts like Marilyn Manson and Nine Inch Nails - and under his care the riffs and song fragments that the band had recorded slowly began to take shape. But costs were spiraling out of control. The crew rented one piece of specialized equipment, for example, for more than two years - at a cost well into six figures - and used it for perhaps 30 days, according to one person involved with the production.

Mr. Rose appeared sporadically, some weeks just one or two days, some weeks not at all. "It was unorganized chaos," the same person said. "There was never a system to this. And in between, there were always parties to go to, different computers Axl was trying out or buying. There were times when we didn't record things for weeks."

So the studio technicians burned as many as five CD's per week with various mixes of different songs, which were driven to Malibu for Mr. Rose to study. The band's archive of recorded material swelled to include more than 1,000 digital audio tapes and other media, according to people who were there at the time, all elaborately labeled to chart the progress of songs. "It was like the Library of Congress in there," said one production expert who spent time on the album there.

By one count, the band kept roughly 20 songs it considered on the A list and another 40 or so in various stages of completion on the B list.

All that material, however, didn't do much to reassure the band's label. "In 1998 and 1999 you start getting a little bit nervous," Mr. Rosenblatt, the executive who led the outfit after David Geffen's departure, said delicately. "Edgar Bronfman picks up the phone more than once. He wanted to know what was going on. You unfortunately have got to give him the answer, you don't know. Because you don't." To take the pressure off, Mr. Rose's manager at the time presented the idea of releasing a live album from the original band, which. Mr. Rose's crew began to assemble.

In January 1999 Seagram orchestrated a massive restructuring of its music division, firing 110 Geffen employees, including Mr. Rosenblatt, and folding the unit into the corporation's bigger Interscope Records division. The unfinished album was placed in the hands of Interscope's chairman, Jimmy Iovine. Mr. Iovine declined to comment for this article.

Mr. Rose was said to be crushed by the departure of his Geffen contacts - just as "White Trash Wins Lotto," a musical satire that sent the singer up as a star-eyed hayseed forced to learn the harsh lessons of the music industry, was developing a cult following in Los Angeles. When he missed his March deadline, however, he set a pattern that would repeat itself for years to come: a flurry of energetic activity, followed by creative chaos and a withdrawal from the studio.

That June he allowed a version of the old Guns N' Roses hit "Sweet Child O' Mine" that begins with the original band playing but almost seamlessly shifts into the new band to appear on the soundtrack of the film "Big Daddy." Later that summer he agreed to release his first original song in eight years, the industrial-flavored "Oh My God," for another soundtrack and introduced it in a commercial on MTV. (Mr. Rose fussed over the song so much that he, Mr. Iovine and studio technicians stayed up until nearly dawn adjusting the final mix, according to people involved.) News of its release stoked speculation that an album might follow. But it was panned by many critics and quickly forgotten.

In late 1999 he invited Rolling Stone to preview about a dozen tracks. The magazine reported the album appeared "loosely scheduled" for release in the summer of 2000. In fact, Mr. Rose's visits to the studio had become so irregular, according to several executives and musicians involved with the band, that an engineer working with him, Billy Howerdel, and the band's drummer, Josh Freese, found time during that period to start their own project, the band A Perfect Circle, and to begin recording an album, "Mer de Noms," which went on to sell 1.7 million copies.

Label executives still clung to the idea that if they could just bring in the right producer, he could find a way to finish the album and finally bring a return on their ever-growing investment. They summoned Roy Thomas Baker, famed for his work with the art-rock band Queen. (Mr. Beavan, who was said to have tired of the project, soon bowed out.) But instead of wrapping things up, Mr. Baker decided that much of what the band had needed to be re-recorded - and painstakingly so, as he sometimes spent as long as eight hours on a few bars of music.

The process was drawn out even further after Mr. Rose hired two new musicians - the guitarist Buckethead, a virtuoso who wore a mannequin-like face mask and a KFC bucket on his head, and the drummer Brian "Brain" Mantia - whom the singer directed to re-record all the music that their predecessors had spent months performing.

Still, Mr. Rose seemed to be emerging from his sullen shell. In mid-2000, for what was thought to be the first time since the "Illusions" tour ended in 1993, he performed in public, with the Thursday night bar band at the Cat Club on the Sunset Strip. "He was psyched," recalled one person who worked with the band at Rumbo. "It seemed like it boosted him again, people still want to hear him."

At about 4 a.m on New Year's Day 2001, at the House of Blues in Las Vegas, he and the new lineup of the band finally unveiled some of their new material. "I have traversed a treacherous sea of horrors to be with you here tonight," Mr. Rose told the crowd, which received him with roars of approval. Warm reviews followed. Making the most of the moment, he took his band on the road, going to Brazil to play in the Rock in Rio festival.

With the band's return, Mr. Rose's machinery cranked up again. One internal cost analysis from the period pegs the operation's monthly tab at a staggering $244,000. It included more than $50,000 in studio time at the Village, a more modern studio where Mr. Baker had moved the band. It also included a combined payroll for seven band members that exceeded $62,000, with the star players earning roughly $11,000 each. Guitar technicians earned about $6,000 per month, while the album's main engineer was paid $14,000 per month and a recording software engineer was paid $25,000 a month, the document stated.

Label executives were losing patience. Interscope turned to Mr. Zutaut, the original band's talent scout. Could an old friend succeed where so many others had failed? He was offered a roughly 30 percent bonus, he said, if he could usher the project to completion within a year.

But Mr. Rose's renewed energies were not being directed toward the finish line. He had the crew send him CD's almost daily, sometimes with 16 or more takes of a musician performing his part of a single song. He accompanied Buckethead on a jaunt to Disneyland when the guitarist was drifting toward quitting, several people involved recalled; then Buckethead announced he would be more comfortable working inside a chicken coop, so one was built for him in the studio, from wood planks and chicken wire.

Mr. Rose was far less indulgent of his producers and label. Around Christmas, he ousted both Mr. Baker and Mr. Zutaut (who said there had been a miscommunication). It would be weeks before the singer would even allow an Interscope executive to visit him in the studio, according to people involved with the production. Interscope dispatched a senior talent executive, Mark Williams, to oversee the project. Mr. Williams declined to comment for this article.

If Mr. Rose appeared more remote, his vision of the project became more grandiose, people involved with the band said. He directed that music produced by Mr. Baker be redone again, those people said. He now spoke of releasing not merely one album but a trilogy. And he planned one very big surprise.

At MTV's annual awards show in 2002, publicists buzzed through the audience whispering about a big finale. And with just minutes to go in the broadcast, a screen lifted away to reveal the band and Mr. Rose, in cornrows and a sports jersey, looking strikingly young. The musicians burst into "Welcome to the Jungle," one of the original band's biggest hits, and the crowd went wild. But on television Mr. Rose quickly seemed out of breath and out of tune. He ended the performance, which included the new song "Madagascar" and the original band's hit "Paradise City" in a messianic stance, raising his arms and closing his eyes. He left the audience with a cryptic but tantalizing message: "Round one."

Round two never came. The band went on a successful tour, but in the hours after their triumphant Madison Square Garden appearance, Mr. Rose was reportedly refused entry to the Manhattan nightclub Spa because he was wearing fur, which the club does not allow. That killed the mood. He didn't show up for the band's next performance, and the promoter canceled the rest of the tour.

Months dragged on as the band waited for Mr. Rose to record more vocals. In August 2003 when label executives announced their intention to release a Guns N' Roses greatest-hits CD for the holidays, the band's representatives managed to hold them off with yet another promise to deliver "Chinese Democracy" by the end of the year. But the album, of course, did not materialize. And then the game was over.

"HAVING EXCEEDED ALL budgeted and approved recording costs by millions of dollars," the label wrote in a letter dated Feb. 2 , 2004, "it is Mr. Rose's obligation to fund and complete the album, not Geffen's." The tab at Village studio was closed out, and Mr. Rose tried a brief stint recording at the label's in-house studio before that too was ended. The band's computer gear, guitars and keyboards were packed away. Over a legal challenge by Mr. Rose, the label issued a greatest-hits compilation, in search of even a modest return on their eight-figure investment.

Released in March of 2004, it turned out to be a surprisingly strong seller, racking up sales of more than 1.8 million copies even without any new music or promotional efforts by the original band. The original band's debut, "Appetite for Destruction," which has sold 15 million copies, remains popular and racked up sales of another 192,000 copies last year, according to Nielsen SoundScan. It is a sign that Mr. Rose's audience still waits.

Mr. Rose is reportedly working on the album even now in a San Fernando Valley studio. "The 'Chinese Democracy' album is very close to being completed," Merck Mercuriadis, the chief executive officer of Sanctuary Group, which manages Mr. Rose, wrote in a recent statement. He added that other artists including Peter Gabriel and Stevie Wonder "have throughout their careers consistently taken similar periods of time without undeserved scrutiny as the world respects that this is what it can sometimes take to make great art." There's certainly more than enough material; as Mr. Zutaut says, even years ago "people felt like the record had been made four or five times already." But of course, rumors of the album's imminent release have circulated since almost the very beginning of the tale, more than a decade ago.

And at the center of that tale, now as then, is the confounding figure of Axl Rose himself. A magnetic talent, a moody unpredictable artist, a man of enormous ideas and confused follow-through, he has proven himself to be an uncontrollable variable in any business plan.

His involvement on "Chinese Democracy" has outlasted countless executives, producers and fellow musicians - even the corporate structure that first brought the band to worldwide celebrity. Even, in fact, the recognizable configuration of the recording industry as a whole, which since the band first went into the studio in 1994 has consolidated to four major corporations from six, and staggered amid an epidemic of piracy, leaving it more focused than ever on the bottom line, and on reliable musicians with a proven track record of consistent performance. The sort of rock stars that the original members of Guns N' Roses, who recently submitted a claim seeking $6 million in what were called unpaid royalties from its catalog, used to be. But which Mr. Rose, with his mood swings, erratic work habits and long dark stretches, no longer is.

He hasn't disappeared entirely. His voice can be heard on the latest edition in the "Grand Theft Auto" video game series, in the character of a grizzled 70's-style rock D.J. "Remember," he advises the radio station's audience, "we're not outdated and neither is our music."

Interscope has taken "Chinese Democracy" off its schedule. Mr. Rose hasn't been seen there since last year, when he was spotted leaving the parking area beneath Interscope's offices, where witnesses reported that a small traffic jam had congealed when attendants halted other cars to clear a path for his silver Ferrari. Mr. Rose punched the gas and cruised into the day.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Rob on June 1, 2006, 02:33 PM
Very interesting read.  Thanks for sharing it.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on June 1, 2006, 06:18 PM
Why is it the best artists are always prima donnas?   :P
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on June 1, 2006, 07:58 PM
Why is it the best artists are always prima donnas?   :P

Referring to Axl Rose as just a "prima donna" is like saying--I don't know--that the Rockies are just a bunch of big hills out in Colorado.

I've said all along that Guns N' Roses, as a band, was always greater than the sum of its parts.  One only needs to listen to the average-ness of all the solo projects and supergroup stuff to see (or rather, hear) that for themselves.  (Not a slight on Izzy's or Vn'R's stuff--it just doesn't compare to the original, that's all.)

Now Axl, he's a smart guy, and deep within his heart of hearts, he knows this is true.  But, since he's stubbornly held on to the Guns N' Roses name (and all of it's trappings), he also knows that whatever he comes up with will be--fairly or not--compared with the old stuff, and he has a hell of a lot to live up to.  If he would have let the name go, he could have come out with an album five or ten years ago, and it wouldn't have been that big of a deal, but no, there's just too much money to be made with that name.  And now it's just gotten too big.

Another thing is that the idea of "Axl Rose" has grown into such a huge thing that he seems to not want to hear any constructive criticism at all, and he's surrounded himself with a bunch of people who are afraid to even look at him wrong in fear of him flipping out and throwing a fit and throwing them out on their asses.  This is why I like to compare him to Lucas.  It's not like it was back in the old days, when they were just starting out, and were "Guns N' Roses," not "Axl and Slash and three other guys."  They all worked together, and bounced ideas off each other, and everybody was equal, and the music was the most important thing.  But it's all about Axl these days.  You'd think that with nobody around with the balls to tell him his stuff sucks, the album would have been out years ago, but then there's that pesky little problem of. . .

. . .His perfectionism.  I think he's trying really hard to stay up-to-date with the current trends in rock music, but at the same time, his perfectionism means that, by the time things are close to being finished, the current sounds will have changed, and his sound won't be fresh anymore.  So, back into the studio he goes (or doesn't), and all the finished work gets put on the shelf.

That's enough for now, but, before I go, one more thing:

16 years passed between the release of Jedi and Phantom Menace.  15 years have passed since the Illusion albums. . .
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Rob on June 1, 2006, 08:59 PM
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16 years passed between the release of Jedi and Phantom Menace. 

Yeah, and look how that turned out...  :-X
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on June 1, 2006, 10:03 PM
Yeah, and look how that turned out...  :-X

Precisely.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on June 2, 2006, 02:45 PM
Many thanks Darin I don't know what happened to my copy of that CD.  I either sold it or lost it but I've loved that song forever, its one of Axl's finest vocals ever IMO as he seems like he was just meant to sing that song

I've been going through some old-ass MP3s I downloaded years ago, and found a couple of tracks that Axl sang on around the '88-'90 timeframe, that I always thought sounded really good.

The first is Axl, Slash, Izzy, and Alice Cooper, covering Alice's own "Under My Wheels."  This was used in the soundtrack of Penelope Spheeris' documentary, The Decline of Western Civilization Part II: The Metal Years.  I really like it.

Link (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=5C9F96B7572A08D1)

The second is "I Will Not Go Quietly," a Don Henley song that Axl sang backup on, as repayment of a favor for when Don played drums for GN'R at the '89 AMA's, while Steven Adler was in rehab.

Link (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=9D69B73029618511)

Both are pretty good, and while they aren't exactly the rarest-of-the-rare, they're not the most-well-known, either.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on June 10, 2006, 03:26 PM
Here is a link to a website that has some files to download, including live versions of "The Blues" and "Madagascar":

Downloads (http://www.gnrsucks.com/download.php)

I am hooked on the few CHINESE DEMOCRACY songs posted by Matt.  I know it is popular to hate them, but I do like them.  Now I have 4 1/2 songs in some version. (Better, IRS, TWAT, The Blues, & Madagascar).

Anymore would be appreciated... ;)

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on June 12, 2006, 04:52 PM
The second is "I Will Not Go Quietly," a Don Henley song that Axl sang backup on, as repayment of a favor for when Don played drums for GN'R at the '89 AMA's, while Steven Adler was in rehab.

Said performance at the '89 AMA's on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Za7mqvuoTQ)

I watched this live the night it aired, and at first I was a little pissed that they did "Patience" instead of something from Appetite, but it really was a hell of a performance.  They all looked great, and sounded even better.  Axl's voice was in top form, and Slash's guitar part was killer.  The other guys were pretty good, too.  I still remember that it was all I could talk about the next day at school, and I wore the tape I made of it out over the next couple of years. 

Easily my favorite version of Patience, and maybe even my favorite live GN'R performance ever.  It's right up there with Live at the Ritz, anyway.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on June 16, 2006, 02:53 PM
OK, after all of my bitching, I finally got some additional tracks from the forever-elusive Chinese Democracy.

Matt would know better than I, if these are the official songs titles, and only Axl would know if they are still part of the never-upcomnig Chinese Democracy album:

Better (full-length version)
Just Another Sunday
Madagascar
Oklahoma  (<---- not sure if my version is GNR b/c it does not sound like Axl)
Rhiad
Silkworms
Chinese Democracy


Of course, not all are of the best quality, and some are live tracks.  Let me know if anybody is interested.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on June 16, 2006, 03:57 PM

Oklahoma


Does that song go like this:

You believe all the **** you read?

I said, you believe all the **** you read?

You ever wonder why you're given so much **** to read?

You're given a lot of **** to read . . .because. . . there's a lot of ****in' people out there who, uh. . . I don't think I should even give them the credit to say they're very conscious of that which they are doing. . .

But it's mainly because they don't want things like this post here at Rebelscum to ****ing happen.

Yeah, there's a, there's a lot of people who don't know why they do things. . . But some of the reasons behind that, are they don't want the people like you, that are here today, to see some little loud-mouthed ****er like me, who crawled out of some ****hole somewhere, and worked his way up onto this message board!

They don't want--there's something out there that doesn't want people like you to realize that you can do whatever the **** you want with your goddamn life.

And unless--there are those, that unless they got a piece of the pie, unless they got a piece of your *** , unless they got a piece of your life, they just don't want it to happen. You do it their way, or you don't do it.

Well they can suck my **** .

I believe that deep inside everybody, there's something inside you that knows what the **** it is you're supposed to do with your life, and no matter what anybody tells you, if you keep lookin', and if you keep diggin', you're gonna find it, and you can be the person you're ****in' meant to be on this goddamn planet.

And don't let anybody, anybody ever get in your way. . . including me.

And I know it's not, like the most humane thing, but, you can, uh, when it gets real rough, you can think of a little theme song, that somebody wrote, namely Mr. Paul McCartney. And when they're tryin' to keep you down, just hold on and know that someday, you'll bust out and you'll get under your own **** and they won't be able to ****ing keep up with your *** , and you can be thinking: Just live and let die, mother****er.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on June 18, 2006, 04:04 AM
Anybody ever heard of this site:
ComaConcertVideos (http://www.comaconcertvideos.com/index.html)

The site is selling two of the recent NY concerts on CD and DVDs.  Thinking about ordering them, but I don't know if they are any good in quality or reputation.

Here is a link to an interview that Axl did with KROQ in LA, in which he talks about the NY shows and once again promises the album is coming out later this year.
Axl interview w/KROQ (http://www.comaconcertvideos.com/mp3.html)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: JediMAC on June 27, 2006, 02:15 PM
MMMmmm... Tastes like chicken! (http://news.aol.com/entertainment/music/articles/_a/intoxicated-axl-rose-jailed-in-stockholm/20060627080909990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on June 27, 2006, 03:20 PM
MMMmmm... Tastes like chicken! (http://news.aol.com/entertainment/music/articles/_a/intoxicated-axl-rose-jailed-in-stockholm/20060627080909990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001)

IT'S OFFICIAL!!!  GUNS N' ROSES IS BACK!!!

Ahhh, good times...good times....  :)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Jim on June 27, 2006, 03:56 PM
Anybody ever heard of this site:
ComaConcertVideos (http://www.comaconcertvideos.com/index.html)

The site is selling two of the recent NY concerts on CD and DVDs.  Thinking about ordering them, but I don't know if they are any good in quality or reputation.

Here is a link to an interview that Axl did with KROQ in LA, in which he talks about the NY shows and once again promises the album is coming out later this year.
Axl interview w/KROQ (http://www.comaconcertvideos.com/mp3.html)

Please dont pay money for these things.  ROIO's are meant to be shared/traded.  If you are interested in these, PM me.  I might be able to help you out.  BTW, the quallity of both of these are not that great. 
Title: Music video for "Better"???
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on June 30, 2006, 02:54 PM
There was a 40 second teaser trailer for a new GNR video for the song "Better" posted on YouTube.com by somebody.  The video has been taken down by the same person, probably b/c of copyright infringement.

Based on the notes posted, the trailer was shown on MTV recently, and the person, by pure luck, recorded the trailer.  MTV said the video would be officially released on July 23rd.

I'm new to this thread, but maybe (just maybe) Axl and GNR will finally come back full force with "Chinese Democracy".  Despite all the other times that Axl has promised the album would be released, never once did he release a video for one of the songs. 

Click HERE (http://youtube.com/results?search=Guns+N+Roses&search_type=search_videos&search=Search) for the info.  Scroll down the videos until you see the "Teaser Trailer for new video".

At least there is hope in 2006... :P
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on July 16, 2006, 12:45 PM
OK... annoying request time.

I'm trying to burn a copy of my Velvet Revolver Contraband CD so I can keep one in my car without worrying about it melting.  It must have some funky copy protection, because the Exact Copy wouldn't play, and any attempt to add the individual .WMA files to my record list in Sonic Record Now fails.

Big pain in my ass.  All the other CDs I tried copied with no problem.  Anyway... anybody got the MP3s?  I'm done fighting trying to do it this way.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on July 16, 2006, 03:58 PM
OK... annoying request time.

I'm trying to burn a copy of my Velvet Revolver Contraband CD so I can keep one in my car without worrying about it melting.  It must have some funky copy protection, because the Exact Copy wouldn't play, and any attempt to add the individual .WMA files to my record list in Sonic Record Now fails.

Big pain in my ass.  All the other CDs I tried copied with no problem.  Anyway... anybody got the MP3s?  I'm done fighting trying to do it this way.

Filesharing is illegal. (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=BC5FF8EB31B22717)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: DSJ™ on July 16, 2006, 04:31 PM
Filesharing is illegal. (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=BC5FF8EB31B22717)

Not in Canada.  ;D
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on July 19, 2006, 12:51 PM
Wake up, *******! (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=754FC25E7F27910A)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on July 19, 2006, 04:35 PM
You guys are no fun.

1987-12-17 St. Paul (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=5A481E8461E31A75)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on July 25, 2006, 04:41 PM
Check out this site: MyGNR.com (http://www.mygnr.com) and the cooresponding forum MyGNRforum.com (http://www.mygnrforum.com/)

I'm new to this thread, and ever since I heard those 4 songs posted my Matt, I've been dying to hear the latest news and info.  So MyGNR.com is new to me, but might be old-hat to some of you guys.  That site should be the official site.

There is a thread in the forum that says Izzy extended his touring with the new lineup.  GNR is on an extended tour in Europe, spreading over 3 months practically.  Someone also commented that Izzy and Axl were writing again.  So there could be brand new songs (which of course would push the "album" back again), in addition to the rumored 32 songs already completed. 

All hopeful news... 8)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on July 25, 2006, 04:46 PM
All hopeful news...

Hopeful, my ass. 

The buildup to the album is going to be much more interesting than the album itself.  I hope it never comes out.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on July 25, 2006, 05:41 PM
Hopeful, my ass. 

The buildup to the album is going to be much more interesting than the album itself.  I hope it never comes out.

The album will never live up to hype, I agree.  But the hype is in the "eyes" of the media or people.  To me, I really like the 4 tracks posted here.  I like the sound of the new band.  And rock music is full of paper-cutout bands.  Their sound is original and unique, if only b/c of Axl's voice. 

Only time will tell how the album is viewed, if it ever comes out.  Any doubts that it would premiere at #1 on Billboard?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on July 25, 2006, 10:52 PM
To me, I really like the 4 tracks posted here.

Me, I could take 'em or leave 'em. 

I'll be honest:  To me, the new Guns N' Roses (cringe) is more a novelty act than anything else.  I view them as a glorified tribute band--kind of like if Paul McCartney went out and toured with Beatlemania.  I follow it because I was really in to the real band back when they were huge, and also because I'm a cynical bastard and enjoy watching the circus that Axl's turned it into lately.  I'm really not in to that kind of music anymore (read: I'm getting old and mellowing out) and if I do want to hear some new-ish stuff that kinda sounds like the old Gn'R, for my money, Velvet Revolver is already way closer to that than anything Axl can put out.

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Any doubts that it would premiere at #1 on Billboard?

No doubts at all in my mind--and no doubts that it would be #1 on the following week's "sold back to used record stores" list, if they kept such a beast. . .

But who am I kidding?  I'll be right there, picking it up along with everyone else on release day.  Nothing like watching (or in this case, listening to) a good train wreck. . .
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on July 27, 2006, 11:15 AM
Link to a live performance of "NIGHTTRAIN" in Holland on the current GNR tour, but this version is with Izzy on backup guitars: "Nighttrain" with Izzy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73TdriaKC0M)

And here is a pic I saw on the GNR boards:
(http://www.doctor-pecker.com/gnr/bandsig.jpg)

Big news on the forum is about a US tour later this year, between September and December.  Lot of rumors now that the album will finally be released.  If GNR does tour, they should stick to the small venues, b/c without that album, they will not fill the arenas.  May not fill it anyway...
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: sfg on July 27, 2006, 04:17 PM
Man, they didn’t even let Izzy take his solo.  On Appetite, Izzy played the first half of the solo and Slash came in for the second half.  With Axl’s new band, it looks like the same arrangement, where the primarily rhythm player takes the first solo and the lead player takes Slash’s solo.  But, come on, if you have the man in the house, why not let him play his part?

Anyway, the link you gave had another recent clip of Axl’s band playing Nightrain much more true to the form of the old days:

Old School Nightrain (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MQ0RxN-7BU&search=nightrain)

Also, poking around some of those videos came up with these videos from a 1986 show.  Nothing mind shattering, but I enjoyed the pre-AFD versions of Don’t Cry and Back Off Bitch.  Note also that Axl has not yet gotten the Appetite cross and skulls tattoo.

1986 (http://www.youtube.com/results?search=guns+roses+roxy+1986&search_type=search_videos)

(http://www.villagephotos.com/image.asp?id_=8624168)



Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on July 27, 2006, 04:19 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on July 27, 2006, 04:48 PM
Also, poking around some of those videos came up with these videos from a 1986 show.  Nothing mind shattering, but I enjoyed the pre-AFD versions of Don’t Cry and Back Off Bitch.  Note also that Axl has not yet gotten the Appetite cross and skulls tattoo.

Nice.  I've got the (1986?) demo for Don't Cry somewhere and like it a lot better than the '91 versions.  Rawer sound, cool little spoken word thing during the solo, no silly ToniiiiiiiiiiiiIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight thing at the end. 

Thanks for posting that stuff, Darin, and whoever that other guy is.  I only know who one guy is in the photo of "The Band."  That's awesome.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on July 27, 2006, 05:33 PM
Man, they didn’t even let Izzy take his solo.  On Appetite, Izzy played the first half of the solo and Slash came in for the second half.  With Axl’s new band, it looks like the same arrangement, where the primarily rhythm player takes the first solo and the lead player takes Slash’s solo.  But, come on, if you have the man in the house, why not let him play his part?

Anyway, the link you gave had another recent clip of Axl’s band playing Nightrain much more true to the form of the old days:

Old School Nightrain (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MQ0RxN-7BU&search=nightrain)

There have been many reports of the old GNR/Axl walking off-stage incidents during the European concert.  The band members have also done the same (as does any band) when the crowd throw things at them.  Axl has no patience for it tho.

I'll try to find the names of the guys in that pic above of "The Band".  I initially thought Izzy was pictured, but I think that is Finck.

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on July 28, 2006, 09:24 AM
And here is a pic I saw on the GNR boards:
(http://www.doctor-pecker.com/gnr/bandsig.jpg)

from L to R: Chris Pittman, Brain, Robin Finck, Tommy Stinson, Dizzy Reed, Richard Fortus, Bumblefooot
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on August 31, 2006, 04:43 PM
At first rumored but now confirmed, Axl Rose will be a presenter at the 2006 MTV VMA.  Any hopes that he says something about the U.S. tour or the album release date?  Possible interview with him by Kurt Loder before or after the VMAs.


Great, now I actually want to know what happens, if only for Axl.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on August 31, 2006, 10:05 PM
At first rumored but now confirmed, Axl Rose will be a presenter at the 2006 MTV VMA.  Any hopes that he says something about the U.S. tour or the album release date?  Possible interview with him by Kurt Loder before or after the VMAs.


Great, now I actually want to know what happens, if only for Axl.

Make a couple of slight changes, and you have a reply that could have been written four years ago.

Don't fret, though, fans, the album's really coming this year. 

Really.

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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on September 1, 2006, 09:38 AM
So says the first post in the thread (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=2498.msg28941#msg28941)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on September 1, 2006, 10:25 AM
So says the first post in the thread (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=2498.msg28941#msg28941)

So have you had to go back, the last couple of years, and strike through the previous year and replace it with the new year?

Good stuff, indeed.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on September 17, 2006, 02:34 PM
Today marks fifteen years since the last full album(s) of original Guns N' Roses material was released.

In that time. . .

. . .Izzy Stradlin released six albums
. . .Slash released two albums
. . .Duff McKagan released two albums
. . .Velvet Revolver, featuring Slash and Duff, released one album, and is working on their second
. . .Stephen Adler released an EP

. . .and Axl Rose has officially released one song.

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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on September 23, 2006, 06:55 PM
Looks like The Axl Rose Band is playing some show tonight which will be webcast (webcasted?) here (http://blueroom.att.com/inc_inland_player/player.php?id=#vtop).  They're scheduled to go on at around 10:00 Pacific, so midnight Central.  But, this being Axl Rose, it'll probably be much later than that even, because he's just cool like that.

Interestingly, Muse is scheduled to perform an hour earlier.  So that'll be worth checking out, at least.

"Come for Muse, but stay for The Axl Rose Band.  Maybe."
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on September 25, 2006, 02:27 AM
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Welcome to the desert: Axl & Co. rip it up

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - The KROQ Inland Invasion in the desert east of Los Angeles may have been an all-day affair Saturday, but by the time the dust settled early Sunday morning, there was only one band that mattered.

Yes, the summer-ending festival hosted by America's trend-setting rock radio station featured many of the boldest and brashest bands of the modern rock movement, but when headliner Guns N' Roses took the stage shortly before 11 p.m. at the Hyundai Pavilion, everything old became new again -- and everything new on the bill, well, just couldn't hold a candle in comparison.

Make no mistake, Axl Rose knew the magnitude of the night's show, and few in attendance could argue that the iconic Guns N' Roses frontman didn't rise to the occasion. No, his vocals weren't pristine, but they never were. And topping a bill that featured as much screaming as it did singing, they didn't have to be.

With the pacing of the show impacted by the at-times illogical progression of bands, the day's preliminary highlights had been scattered. Buckcherry's gritty, glam-rock explosion would have been better suited prior to Papa Roach's punk-powered, radio rock riffs, as opposed to working between the hardcore screaming and emo teasing of Atreyu and the punk rock uprising of Rise Against. Muse benefited from playing after the sun had set, but other bands would have benefited more, as the back-to-back billing of the unassuming, prog-flavored U.K. power trio and the dark and dreary (though well-received) return of Alice in Chains resulted in a notable letdown in energy prior to the night's marquee attraction.

It would have been fitting for Avenged Sevenfold to have taken the stage immediately before Guns N' Roses, but the spacing between the Orange County heavy metal revivalists and their heroes served them well, as it gave the crowd ample time to forget just how similar its latest single "Seize the Day" was to Guns classic "November Rain." Papa Roach boasted the daylight's most anthem-heavy return to arena-rock splendor, frontman Jacoby Shaddix's over-the-top charisma offering a power-packed counterpunch to the memorable set of 30 Seconds to Mars, whose art house approach to hard rock opened with the band -- fronted by actor Jared Leto -- marching through the crowd with an army of flag-waving fans before taking the stage in China doll masks and ninja-white get-ups.

But the night belonged to Guns N' Roses. When the house lights dimmed a scant 45 minutes later than the scheduled set time and the opening shards of "Welcome to the Jungle" pierced the packed pavilion and shoulder-to-shoulder lawn section, the mood became manic.

The 19-song, 130-minute set featured all but three of the tracks from Guns N' Roses' classic debut "Appetite for Destruction," as well as four new songs. While Rose's ever-evolving band has become a punching bag for cynics, tonight they lived up to the band's storied past.

Lead guitarist Robin Finck injected a personality to rival Slash, even if his guitar tones sometimes strayed slightly from the originals (most notably during "Patience"), and keyboardist Dizzy Reed jazzed up "Night Train." One of the night's most memorable performances was "November Rain," which featured Rose on piano at center stage and Finck and guitarist Richard Fortus trading leads.

Former Skid Row frontman Sebastian Bach joined Rose onstage to tear through "My Michelle," and received a notably louder ovation upon his introduction than Linkin Park frontman Chester Bennington, who joined Alice in Chains for their signature "Man in the Box." The Inland Invasion may have been a long way from the Sunset Strip, but the rock stars still ruled. Even the almighty KROQ couldn't have planned that.

YAHOO.com

I listened to the entire show last night (and watched occasionally), and I gotta say, it was pretty good.  Axl sounded alright, and the band did a fine job backing him.  I haven't been keeping up with the setlists, so I was suprised to hear a couple of the songs--"Live and Let Die," "You Could Be Mine," and a guitar solo version of "Don't Cry."

But the show just reinforced something I said here a while back--this is nothing more than a glorified tribute band.  Sure, they can play, and they sound pretty faithful to the originals, but all they're doing is playing a bunch of songs that the other guys wrote twenty years ago, along with a few that Axl and some other guys wrote five or ten years ago.  To me, it's more of a nostalgia act than anything else--just like those ****** Seventies and Eighties bands like Styx and REO Speedwagon who have maybe one or two of the original members left and travel around playing bowling alleys and county fairs to people who are desperate to relive their high school days for an hour or two.  On a much grander scale, of course. 

Axl really needs to stop what he's doing, and work on getting the album out--and then he can go back out on the road with the new guys and play more of those "new" songs for people--instead of a bunch of stuff from three decades ago.  Until that happens, this is still just a nostalgia act.

(By the way--Christmas is exactly three months from today.  That's thirteen Tuesdays.  He's leaving himself an awfully short window to get the album finalized, manufactured, and shipped, if he expects to have it out before 2007. . .)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: ruiner on September 25, 2006, 02:09 PM
Axl/GNR is just like Metallica - they keeping holding on even though they've gone way past their prime.

Essentially, they're in it for the money and the fact that they don't know what else to do.

Other bands (AIC, Soundgarden, RATM) appear to make music because they are musicians at heart and often end too early.

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on September 25, 2006, 03:38 PM
If Axl was in it for the money we'd have a dozen GnR albums by now.  He's super-anal about his art, and really couldn't care less about the money.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on September 25, 2006, 04:08 PM
If Axl was in it for the money we'd have a dozen GnR albums by now.  He's super-anal about his art, and really couldn't care less about the money.

That's a good point.  I don't think he's all about the money, either. 

IIRC, he actually got together with the old guys (who he won't have anything to do with, otherwise) and sued Universal to stop the release of the GN'R Greatest Hits disc a few years ago.  It came out anyway, and has gone on to sell at least two or three million copies--and I still don't think any of the original members are happy about it, from what I've read.

Compare that to Alice in Chains (who I really like)--they've released a couple of hits albums (one just a few weeks ago), a live album, the Unplugged album, a box set, and now they're touring again with some new singer.  Cantrell even refused to do an encore at one of their first shows last week because he wasn't happy with the venue's sound system.

Now, how much of this is record companies looking to cash in, as opposed to band members, I don't know.  But, I can think of dozens of acts who I'd consider as money-grubbers before Axl Rose, or even Metallica.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: ruiner on September 25, 2006, 04:47 PM

That's a good point. I don't think he's all about the money, either.


OK, then the other half of my statement is correct - he doesn't know what else to do!

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I can think of dozens of acts who I'd consider as money-grubbers before Axl Rose, or even Metallica.


LOL - a band greedier than Metallica?  Well, maybe KISS....
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on September 25, 2006, 04:53 PM
OK, then the other half of my statement is correct - he doesn't know what else to do!

Now that, I can agree with.  I said this a few pages back, but he knows that the material isn't all that good, because he knows how important the old guys were in writing the old stuff.  But since he just had to keep the name (which was probably more about money than anything), he has a lot to live up to--and he knows the new stuff never will.

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LOL - a band greedier than Metallica?  Well, maybe KISS....

I don't think they're that greedy.  I think they're a bunch of dickheads, but I don't think they're all that greedy.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: ruiner on September 25, 2006, 05:02 PM
One word - Napster.

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on September 25, 2006, 05:25 PM
Yeah, there's the whole Napster thing (and I think that's something they even admit was a mistake these days), but other than that, they've just never struck me as a particularly greedy band.  Their ticket prices have always been fair (AFAIK), and they haven't repackaged and released their older albums a bunch of times like some other artists have. 

When I think of greedy bands, I think of groups like the Eagles (who I hate) or the Stones (who I love).  Ridiculously overpriced concert tickets, and all kinds of album re-releases and compilations and such.  Bands who milk their fans for all they're worth--because they know that many of them skew older and have more disposable income to part with.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: ruiner on September 25, 2006, 05:34 PM
like the Eagles (who I hate) 

That makes three of us.

(http://www.cineclub.de/images/2001/the_big_lebowski_2.jpg)

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all kinds of album re-releases and compilations and such.

Do sequels of songs count? 

If so, you're unforgiven too.

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on September 29, 2006, 02:49 PM
Do sequels of songs count? 

If so, you're unforgiven too.

Boo.

----

Recently found these semi-rare, non-album Velvet Revolver tracks, so I thought I'd upload 'em for anyone interested:

"Big Machine" demo (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=E0940787569A3C2C)
"Fall to Pieces" demo (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=66AD3C4A36C55B3A)
"Slither" demo (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=E1A5226B55FF819E)
"Negative Creep" (Nirvana cover) (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=63F325196B7A0EB1)
"Bodies  (live)" (Sex Pistols cover) (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=A009556008E4C667)
"Surrender" (Cheap Trick cover) (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=86EEFAC1443AD537)
"No More, No More" (Aerosmith cover) (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=5E60F579584D9BE1)
"Fall to Pieces (acoustic)" (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=4D62A7DA736836E4)
"Come On, Come In" (early version of "Slither") (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=D71491E13D1FD466)

Hopefully we'll be hearing some new stuff outta VR before too much longer. . .


Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Morgbug on September 29, 2006, 03:13 PM
Gn'R coming to Winnipeg in December, the Chinese Democracy tour!? :o  It's a hoax, right?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on September 29, 2006, 03:18 PM
Nope

GUNS N' ROSES ANNOUNCE "CHINESE DEMOCRACY" NORTH AMERICAN TOUR AND STRATEGIC RELATIONSHIP WITH MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL ADVANCED MEDIA
Hot on the heels of their sell out shows last week in Las Vegas, San Francisco and KROQ's Inland Invasion in Los Angeles Guns N' Roses announce the first leg of their "Chinese Democracy" North American Tour.

The tour which will kick off on the 20th of October in Jacksonville, Florida finds the band in top form having spent the summer in Europe playing to 700,000 plus people over 32 shows in 18 countries, making it one of the biggest tours of the year on the continent and in the UK. Concert goers were not let down as Axl Rose and his band mates Dizzy Reed, Robin Finck, Richard Fortus, Tommy Stinson, Chris Pitman, Brain and Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal burned through classics such as "Welcome to the Jungle," "Paradise City," "Nightrain," "Mr. Brownstone," "November Rain" and "Sweet Child O' Mine" as well as highlighting soon to be favourites from the forthcoming "Chinese Democracy" album.

Just this week, the Hollywood Reporter's concert review of KROQ's Inland Invasion observed, "when headliner Guns N' Roses took the stage everything old became new again - and everything new on the bill, just couldn't hold a candle in comparison... the night belonged to Guns N' Roses!"

Axl Rose commented, "We had an amazing tour in Europe this summer and last week’s shows here in the US were great. It's been a long time getting here but we look forward to coming to your town and having a lot of fun."

Sebastian Bach who has been guesting with Guns N' Roses on "My Michelle" will open the entire tour with the Special Guest slot going to a number of great bands starting with Papa Roach for the dates through the 3rd of November. The shows have been planned to cater to a Guns N' Roses rock n' roll party atmosphere with Sebastian hitting the stage every night at 8 pm followed by the Special Guest at 9 pm and Guns N' Roses shortly after 10 pm and lots of great music in between.

Guns N' Roses are also delighted to announce that they have partnered with Major League Baseball Advanced Media (MLB.COM) to provide their fans with premium ticketing opportunities and up to the minute information on the tour and the band's other activities via gunsnroses.com which will be launched as of tomorrow.

As for Guns N' Roses forthcoming "Chinese Democracy" album the only comment at this time is that there are 13 Tuesdays left between now and the end of the year.

The itinerary for the "Chinese Democracy" North American Tour is as follows. Tickets for most dates go on sale on the 30th of September with up to the minute information and pre-sales available now at gunsnroses.com.

October

10/20/06 Jacksonville, FL Vets Memorial Arena
10/22/06 Nashville, TN Gaylord Entertainment Center
10/24/06 Sunrise, FL BankAtlantic Center
10/25/06 St. Petersburg, FL St. Pete Times Forum
10/27/06 Estero, FL Germain Arena
10/29/06 San Juan, Puerto Rico Jose Miguel Agrelot Coliseum

November

11/2/06 Greensboro, NC Greensboro Coliseum
11/3/06 Huntington, WV Big Sandy Superstore Arena
11/5/06 East Rutherford, NJ Continental Airlines Arena
11/6/06 Portland, ME Cumber County Civic Center
11/8/06 Worcester, MA Worcester Centrum
11/10/06 New York, NY Madison Square Garden
11/13/06 Baltimore, MD 1st Mariner
11/15/06 Toronto, ON Air Canada Centre
11/17/06 Ottawa, ON Scotiabank
11/18/06 Quebec Colisee Pepsi
11/20/06 Halifax, NS Halifax Metro Centre
11/24/06 Cleveland, OH Quicken Loans Arena
11/25/06 Auburn Hills, MI The Palace of Auburn Hills
11/27/06 Chicago, IL Allstate Arena
11/29/06 Milwaukee, WI Bradley Center

December

12/1/06 Ames, IA Hilton Coliseum
12/2/06 Minneapolis, MN Target Center
12/4/06 Winnipeg, MB MTS Centre
12/6/06 Calgary, AB Pengrowth Saddledome
12/7/06 Edmonton, AB Rexall Place
12/10/06 Everett, WA Everett Events Center
12/11/06 Portland, OR Rose Garden
12/13/06 Fresno, CA Save Mart Center
12/15/06 Oakland, CA Oakland Coliseum
12/17/06 Universal City, CA Gibson Amphitheatre
12/19/06 Universal City, CA Gibson Amphitheatre

January

1/10/07 Sacramento, CA ARCO Arena
1/11/07 Bakersfield, CA Rabobank Arena
1/13/07 Reno, NV Reno Events Ctr
1/16/07 San Diego, CA iPayOne Center
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Morgbug on September 29, 2006, 03:22 PM
Huh. 

Given the show immediately prior is Minneapolis, I doubt you're driving up here for the Winnipeg show.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Jeff on September 29, 2006, 03:28 PM
So basically, it is entirely possible that a "live" Chinese Democracy album could be released well before the studio version ever is?   ???
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on September 29, 2006, 03:34 PM
As for Guns N' Roses forthcoming "Chinese Democracy" album the only comment at this time is that there are 13 Tuesdays left between now and the end of the year.

(By the way--Christmas is exactly three months from today.  That's thirteen Tuesdays.

(Yes, I actually wrote that press release.)

Thirteen Twelve Tuesdays until Christmas.  Tick, tick, tick. . .
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: DSJ™ on September 29, 2006, 06:59 PM
December

12/7/06 Edmonton, AB Rexall Place

Tickets are on sale tomorrow at 10 am, prices are $39.75 - $79.75 CDN & play on a Thursday night. Hmmm, might have to delay the trip to IKEA till later in the day. 

I have never seen them.  :-[
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on September 29, 2006, 09:03 PM
I have never seen them.  :-[

. . .and you never will.

They're "Guns N' Roses" in name only, at this point.

(Hell, I never really saw them, either--both times I saw 'em in '92 were long after Steven and Izzy were gone. . .)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Morgbug on September 29, 2006, 10:54 PM
 :-*
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on September 29, 2006, 11:58 PM
:-*

*******. (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=1D6536A32A4E6AF9)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on October 4, 2006, 10:31 AM
Damn, no Texas dates.  Strange there is no official mention about the release of Chinese Democracy.  What is the reason now?  A big US tour following a successful European tour is still not enough motivation for Axl to releas the album?

Sheesh, what else does he want??  >:(
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on October 4, 2006, 11:03 AM
Thirteen Twelve Eleven Tuesdays now.

(This is fun.)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on October 4, 2006, 02:41 PM
Thirteen Twelve Eleven Tuesdays now.

(This is fun.)
I'm just itching to update the first post of this thread
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on October 6, 2006, 03:58 PM
Anyone see the new Volkswagen commercial featuring Slash?

If you haven't, here you go (http://youtube.com/watch?v=iVOwXTct0TE).
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on October 6, 2006, 06:19 PM
Guns 'confirm' "Chinese Democracy" (http://music.yahoo.com/read/news/36219600)

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10/06/2006 4:00 PM, Yahoo! Music
Dotmusic

The new Guns N' Roses album will be released next month, it has been claimed.

Chinese Democracy has been mooted for around a decade by Axl Rose, the only surviving member of the band since their days of rock 'n' roll world domination.

However with the group recently completing a relatively successful and trouble-free European tour and scheduling more dates in the U.S., new recordings also seem imminent.

According to claims in Rolling Stone this week, Chinese Democracy has officially been scheduled for an American release date of November 21.

Earlier in the week, a cryptic statement from the group backed up such speculation, insisting "there are 13 Tuesdays left between now and the end of the year."

There has so far been no official confirmation on these reports.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on October 9, 2006, 10:19 AM
Guns 'confirm' "Chinese Democracy" (http://music.yahoo.com/read/news/36219600)

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10/06/2006 4:00 PM, Yahoo! Music
Dotmusic

The new Guns N' Roses album will be released next month, it has been claimed.

Chinese Democracy has been mooted for around a decade by Axl Rose, the only surviving member of the band since their days of rock 'n' roll world domination.

However with the group recently completing a relatively successful and trouble-free European tour and scheduling more dates in the U.S., new recordings also seem imminent.

According to claims in Rolling Stone this week, Chinese Democracy has officially been scheduled for an American release date of November 21.

Earlier in the week, a cryptic statement from the group backed up such speculation, insisting "there are 13 Tuesdays left between now and the end of the year."

There has so far been no official confirmation on these reports.

Good stuff, MATT.  This has been the rumor for months over on the MyGNR.com forums.  November 21st has been the long rumored date.  The US tour has to be one reason why I believe the rumors this time.

The album will sell, but Axl's critics will scream "this isn't GNR" and will overshadow the album, not matter the quality.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on October 9, 2006, 12:49 PM
The album will sell, but Axl's critics will scream "this isn't GNR" and will overshadow the album, not matter the quality.

. . .which, of course, wouldn't happen at all, had Axl not been a greedy ******bag about the rights to the name "Guns N' Roses."  Had he let it go, and just gone off and done his own thing, the expectations and hype wouldn't be nearly as high (and chances are, the album would have come out years ago).

So yeah, if you want to keep the name, then you're gonna have to deal with the fact that people are gonna compare it to the old stuff, however fair or not that is.

Like I've said all along, I'll be right there in the store on release day, and I hope the album does well, and I hope it's good.  But, from what I've heard so far. . .  let's just say that those hopes aren't all that high.

And whatever happens to this album--it's all Axl's doing.  Not Slash.  Not the critics.  Not the record company.  He's the one who's turned it into the debacle that it is.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on October 12, 2006, 11:03 AM
Also reported by Rolling Stone magazine:

GNR Chinese Democracy release date (http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2006/10/05/holy-eff-chinese-democracy-finally-gets-a-release-date-maybe/)

Perhaps it is true this year... ;)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: ruiner on October 12, 2006, 01:46 PM


. . .which, of course, wouldn't happen at all, had Axl not been a greedy ******bag about the rights to the name "Guns N' Roses." Had he let it go, and just gone off and done his own thing, the expectations and hype wouldn't be nearly as high (and chances are, the album would have come out years ago).



It's all about the brand - GNR is a household name.  You tell me it's not about the money, then what's his reason for holding on so tight?

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on October 13, 2006, 10:10 AM
Releasing the album on November 21st has to be business-suicide.  It is impossible to make back the $13 million spent making the long-awaited album, but it can't possibly have any commercial success without a single, video, or almost no promotional advertising.

I say "almost no promotional advertising" b/c I did see something of interest last week when I was in the mall.  Outside of Spencer's, there was an announcement for the 'Band of the Month': GNR!  The logo and picture of Axl was a recent one b/c his hair was in the braids.  The ad mentioned their website (SpencersOnline.com (http://www.spencersonline.com)), but I could not find any mention of GNR. 

Wikipedia also has updated the GNR page, by adding the Rolling Stone info as well as reporting that the band has confirmed the November 21st date. 

I'll ask the resident expert:  Matt, has any other year seemed so promising for the release of the album?  First, the 'leak' of the tracks in February, then the successful European tour, followed by a US tour, and now with independent reports of the confirmed release date?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on October 17, 2006, 02:45 AM
It's all about the brand - GNR is a household name.  You tell me it's not about the money, then what's his reason for holding on so tight?

Yeah, that's a bit contradictory on my part, isn't it?  I'll just chalk it up to the man himself being a bit of a contradiction (emphasis on the third syllable).  The name is important to hang onto, 'cause it means income he gets for free, without ever having to lift a finger, every time some junior high schooler discovers Appetite for the first time, or every time some football team plays "Jungle" on the stadium's PA system.  Someone's gotta have the rights to the name--might as well be him.  Plus, he knows that he ain't **** without it.  It's his meal ticket.  He doesn't have the talent or the freedom to go out and do anything outside of his twenty-five-year-old Guns N' Roses comfort zone, the way the other guys did.

But the whole "greed" discussion was based on a slightly different subject, which was the release of other stuff since the original band (as we knew them) broke up.  And, on that aspect, I still don't think he's all that greedy--at least as compared to a lot of other artists out there.  There hasn't really been a whole lot of stuff released over the years for fans to go out and buy, and I think most of the stuff that has been released has been more of a record company thing than an Axl Rose thing.  Look at artists like Tupac, or Nirvana, or Jimi Hendrix, where the people who own the rights to their stuff are milking it for every cent they can get.

Releasing the album on November 21st has to be business-suicide.  It is impossible to make back the $13 million spent making the long-awaited album, but it can't possibly have any commercial success without a single, video, or almost no promotional advertising.

What better time of year is there to release an album?  November 21st is the last Tuesday before Black Friday--it's probably the best Tuesday in the whole year to release something, if you want maximized visibility and sales (and who doesn't?) from the Christmas shoppers.  And sure, singles and videos and such, they help, but the lack of them doesn't necessarily mean "business-suicide."  Pearl Jam released a couple of albums in the mid-nineties without any promotional support at all, and they were some of the biggest-selling weekly record debuts of all time.

An album like this doesn't need any promotional singles or videos to help it out.  It'll sell hundreds of thousands of copies, right out of the gate, to people who will be curious to hear what the "new GN'R" sounds like, and if the decade-long wait was worth it.  And if it's any good, and gets good reviews and word of mouth, I wouldn't be surprised to see it at a million-and-a-half or two million in sales a couple months later.

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Wikipedia also has updated the GNR page, by adding the Rolling Stone info as well as reporting that the band has confirmed the November 21st date.

Wiki is just going off the RS info, which is, quote, "a friend of ours with a retail source," which honestly means nothing.  All this latest talk is based off of one person in retail.  That's it.  There's still not a page up for it at Amazon, and Pause & Play (http://www.pauseandplay.com/upcoming.htm) (a great site for upcoming CD news) is still listing it as "TBA."  Hell, not even the official GN'R website (http://www.gnronline.com) has anything up about it--just a place to sign up for a mailing list and buy some t-shirts.

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I'll ask the resident expert:  Matt, has any other year seemed so promising for the release of the album?  First, the 'leak' of the tracks in February, then the successful European tour, followed by a US tour, and now with independent reports of the confirmed release date?

"Resident expert," my ass.  Just a cynical, bemused, longtime fan who really enjoys the circus that the album has become.  The longer it takes, the more entertaining it all gets.  And the hype is gonna far exceed the quality of the album, whenever it does come out.  It's gonna be such a letdown.  People are gonna be like "this piece of **** took ten years to release?" And it'll be hilarious. 

Anyway, yeah, you're right--for now, it seems like there's somewhat of a chance for the album to really come out.  The tours, the leaks, the rumored release dates, and so on.  "Maybe this year," right?  But I gotta remind you that we've been through this all before, most recently in 2002.  There were leaked tracks out before then (I had 'em), and there was some overseas touring, and there was an MTV Music Video Awards appearance, and there was a U.S. tour, and everybody's thinking "yep, this is finally the buildup to the release of the album" (I remind you this was four years ago).  And then the U.S. tour goes to **** and 2002 passes with no Chinese Democracy.  Then 2003.  Then 2004.  Then 2005.  And now here we are, with two-and-a-half months left to go in 2006, and the album's still up in the air.

So you'll have to forgive me for being a tad skeptical about getting the album this year.  Maybe we will, and maybe we won't.  It's all up to Axl, but he's a bit--how you say--****** in the head, so who knows?  Someone could look at him wrong and he'd throw a fit and disappear for the next five years.

And I've been slacking on this, so here's an update:

Thirteen Twelve Eleven Ten Nine Tuesdays left. . .

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on October 24, 2006, 05:31 PM
Some random snippets:

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Harley Davidson is using "Better" in a new commercial.  See it here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaKffKwyneY)

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From The Axl Rose Band's manager, Merck Mercuriadis, by way of Blabbermouth.net (http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/):

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"The album will come out this year. There are ten Tuesdays left before January — it will come out on one of them."

"I don't know that we will announce a release date," he says. "You just might walk into your record shop one Tuesday and find it there."

Yep, one of the most-hyped albums of all time is just gonna magically show up on the racks one day, without anyone knowing.  Hell, it may even be out today, for all we know!

(http://images.dvdtalk.com/images/smilies/lol.gif)

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And, since it's Tuesday:

Thirteen Twelve Eleven Ten Nine Eight Tuesdays left until Christmas!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: ruiner on October 24, 2006, 05:44 PM

Harley Davidson is using "Better" in a new commercial. See it here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaKffKwyneY)


More like GNR is using Harley Davidson to promote their new song.

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on October 25, 2006, 09:37 AM
November 21st is still the rumored date.

Don't know why Axl wouldn't promote this album, since it is one of the most hyped albums ever.  Oh well, I await the release....whenever it happens...
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on October 31, 2006, 11:29 AM
November 21st is still the rumored date.

. . .which is still based on one report from a retail source.  Meaningless, really.  I've actually seen some scuttlebutt about a November 14 release, which I would particularly enjoy, since that's my birthday.  It'd be a funny birthday present.

And, since it's Tuesday. . .

Thirteen Twelve Eleven Ten Nine Eight Seven Tuesdays left until Christmas!

This album is so not coming out in 2006.  (http://images.dvdtalk.com/images/smilies/lol.gif)

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: speedermike on November 1, 2006, 08:15 PM
Truth is, the album might as well be called "The Phantom Menace."  People have been waiting for it for years, and there is no way that it can be judged as a simple album.  Even if it's solid, it can't live up to peoples' expectations...
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on November 7, 2006, 08:29 AM
Dedicated to Mr. Scott Pearson (http://youtube.com/watch?v=LfZcPIOi3B8)

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Thirteen Twelve Eleven Ten Nine Eight Seven Six Tuesdays left until Christmas!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on November 7, 2006, 04:20 PM
I laugh every single ******* time I hear that, now with the video added and his ridiculous outfit, it makes it all the more hilarious, thanks Matty B :-*
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on November 7, 2006, 11:37 PM
I laugh every single ******* time I hear that, now with the video added and his ridiculous outfit, it makes it all the more hilarious, thanks Matty B :-*

Thought you might get a kick out of that.  The same guy put up the entire rest of the show, too, if you hadn't already noticed.

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Uh-oh. . .

Not smelling like a rose to fans (http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/news/local/061107gnr.html)

Portland (Maine) Press Herald Tuesday, November 7, 2006

Welcome to the jungle, where there were no "fun and games."

The rock band Guns N' Roses, which helped define an era with songs like "Welcome to the Jungle,"  canceled its concert at the Cumberland County Civic Center Monday, 2 1/2 hours before the event was scheduled to begin.

The unexplained cancellation angered fans, many of whom pinned the decision on Guns N' Roses lead singer Axl Rose, who has a reputation for calling off shows.

"I got all dressed up; I went all out for this concert,"  said 17-year-old Misty McAuliffe of Rockland, standing across the street from the civic center in a tight black outfit and a Guns N' Roses belt buckle.

Fans like McAuliffe turned a section of Free Street behind the civic center into ground zero for Rose-bashing Monday night.

While fans griped outside, a crew of dozens worked inside the civic center to take apart the stage, which was show-ready - lighting, amplifiers and all - by 5:30 p.m., when Guns N' Roses' promoter told the venue's manager the show was off.

Steve Crane, the civic center's general manager, said the band's promoter, AEG Live, did not give a reason for the decision.

Crane, who has worked at the venue for 29 years, said he could remember only one or two other times when a show was called off so close to the scheduled starting time.

He said he scrambled to tell local television and radio stations about the decision in hopes some fans would get the word before leaving for the concert.

Approximately 3,400 fans bought tickets for the show; Crane said the venue could've accommodated around 6,500 spectators Monday. Tickets were $65, and vendors will give refunds beginning today at the box office.

Chris Kirby, 39, of New Gloucester said a parking garage attendant in Portland told him the show was canceled. Kirby brought his son, stepson and one of the boys' friends with him to the show.

The four stood outside the civic center around 6:15 p.m. Monday when a passerby jokingly asked, "Where's Axl?"

 "He better be far, far away,"  Kirby said, laughing.

Guns N' Roses is known for a string of seminal rock records in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

The band is also known for the antics of its lead singer and only remaining original member, Rose, who has publicly feuded with band mates and sparked riots in St. Louis during the band's performance and, more recently, in Vancouver and Philadelphia after shows in those two cities were canceled.

Sebastian Bach, the former lead singer of another influential 1980s band, Skid Row, and relative newcomers Papa Roach were also scheduled to perform, and the lineup drew a diverse crowd.

Fans like Kirby, who remembered Guns N' Roses' rise to popularity well, mingled with teenagers who were born shortly before or after the release of the band's last successful albums, "Use Your Illusion  I and II, in 1991.

Guns N' Roses is currently touring to promote its long-forthcoming album, "Chinese Democracy.

 The band played in New Jersey Sunday and is scheduled in Worcester, Mass., Wednesday.

Jonni Tegarden, 58, of Rumford said she attended the show at the Meadowlands Sunday and couldn't believe the Portland concert was canceled.

"(Rose) was in a really good mood last night,"  said Tegarden, who was once president of California-based Ruthless Management and said she has known the singer for years.

Rose, who has been going from city to city by plane during the tour, did not come to Portland, the civic center's Crane said.

Crane said the civic center receives about 1 percent of ticket revenue, but the cancellation cost the venue money it could have made on beer and food, as well as a cut of T-shirt sales.

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It's definitely 2002, all over again.

Who all around here bought tickets for later shows?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Morgbug on November 8, 2006, 12:38 AM
Thankfully I passed.  I'd like to see the show but I opted to wait and see if I could snag free tickets rather than shelling out.  I'll live if I don't go and see Axl et al. but it's looking like the choice was wiser than originally thought.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on November 10, 2006, 10:46 AM
And some word today on why the Portland (Maine) show was canceled the other night--from Axl himself!

MESSAGE FROM AXL: (http://web.gunsnroses.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061108&content_id=a1&vkey=news&fext=.jsp)

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I would like to apologize to all of the fans in Maine for the show not happening last night. It was important for us to play there and it is a shame that what should have been a great night for all of us was not possible due to the actions of two people.

I agree with, and ultimately take responsibility for, the end decision not to jeopardize the safety of the fans, the crews, the bands and myself as a result of the methods of these particularly draconian authorities. We are not trying to get away or get out of anything or pull a fast one by combining ticket sales as has been speculated.

There are reasons that I have not spoken more about Montreal and Philadelphia that have been extremely complicated and are not legally resolved behind the scenes to this day and could have possibly jeopardized the future of Guns N' Roses.

We have chosen to take the public heat for these events in order to have another shot at the future today with a new album.

The professionals around me felt that Portland was a potentially explosive situation that could have had a somewhat similar result based on the behavior of the two aforementioned fire marshals (it's not my first barbeque!) had the fans been given entry to the building and the show started. In respect of these opinions, our fans, the people of Portland, and the bands scheduled to play with us that night, unfortunately the only sensible decision was not to take that chance.

We hope to find another way to play for you in the future. Thanks for even trying to see us. It sincerely is much more than appreciated.

And, since that's characteristically cryptic, here's an "alternate viewpoint," from a Portland newspaper:

Official: Band balked at alcohol ban (http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/news/local/061108gnr.html)

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Guns N' Roses and state fire marshals disagree on who is to blame for the rock band's decision to call off its show at the Cumberland County Civic Center Monday night.

The band, through a press release issued Tuesday, blamed the decision on a pair of overzealous state fire marshals.

Nelson Collins, supervisor of licensing and inspections at the State Fire Marshal's Office, said he was doing his job when he let band managers know performers wouldn't be allowed to drink alcohol out of bottles on stage.

Collins said Guns N' Roses' management objected.

Guns N' Roses canceled its performance at the civic center at 5:30 p.m. Monday, 2‡ hours before the show was scheduled to begin.

The decision angered fans, many of whom blamed the band's lead singer, Axl Rose, who has called off shows before.

Collins and another fire marshal, Robert Cadigan, "made it impossible for the band to perform their show to the usual high standards that their fans deserve," according to a press release from the band's management agency.

The statement implies the two attempted to subject Guns N' Roses to rules that were not applied to Clay Aiken and Green Day, two acts that have recently performed at the civic center. The management agency did not identify a specific rule it thought was unfair.

Collins said he believed a prior dispute over the band's pyrotechnics show had been settled and the alcohol restrictions were the main issue before the show.

He said Green Day agreed to the alcohol rule and Clay Aiken did not have a pyrotechnics show, so fire marshals weren't needed at his performance.

It is illegal for entertainers to drink alcohol while they work in Maine, Collins said. The fine for violating the rule is $250, he said.

Collins said fire marshals, who would report alcohol violations at a concert, haven't had issues with bands objecting to the law in the past.

He said he tried to convince the band's management during a midafternoon meeting Monday to have the musicians limit their alcohol consumption to backstage. He said the band's managers balked at the idea.

Some of the band's past cancellations -- most notably in Vancouver and Philadelphia -- caused riots. Fans on Free Street Monday were angry, but not violent.

Rose was not in Portland for the discussions between inspectors and the band's managers, Collins said. He travels by plane while on tour and wasn't scheduled to arrive in Portland until Monday night, civic center General Manager Steve Crane said during an interview a little more than an hour after the cancellation.

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: name on November 10, 2006, 12:47 PM
What a load of bull****.  I seriously doubt that one single fan was there to see GNR drink alcohol on stage.  If that had gotten dropped from the show, who gives a  ****?  Who would have even noticed???


Axyl basically says in the same breath "I take responsibility for the cancellation" and "we wouldn't budge on the alcohol rule and we knew you'd riot if we cancelled a show over alcohol, so it's not our fault that these two fire marshalls actually read the code."

Dumbasses.  Lots of alternatives:

Do the show, drink offstage if you really need to be drunk to perform, move on.
Do the show, drink tea onstage from a bourbon bottle if you really feel like that's part of your artistic image, and move on.
Do the show, drink offstage, and tell the fans that the ******* firemarshalls won't let you drink onstage so they'll just have to live without that charming part of your usual performance, and move on.
Do the show, drink onstage. pay the ******* $250.00 fine, and move on.

By either Axyl's or the fire marshall's account, there was no reason to cancel.  That venue should sue the piss out GNR for breach of contract.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on November 10, 2006, 01:16 PM
Axl was a prima donna being a prima donna.  Nothing new there.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on November 10, 2006, 01:30 PM
Watch a sober Guns N Roses performance?  Where's the fun in that?  I would ask for a refund if that did happen! ;D
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on November 14, 2006, 09:16 AM
There's some word today about a "mystery shipment" of an album to HMV stores for next week.  The band is "The Far Downs" and the album's title is "Blue Trees And Green Grass."  Apparently nobody's ever heard of this band before, so people are assuming it's actually Chinese Democracy in disguise.  And since we've already been making the comparisons to Star Wars in this thread. . .  Blue Harvest, anyone?

Thirteen Twelve Eleven Ten Nine Eight Seven Six Five Tuesdays left until Christmas!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on November 14, 2006, 10:18 AM
There's some word today about a "mystery shipment" of an album to HMV stores for next week.  The band is "The Far Downs" and the album's title is "Blue Trees And Green Grass."  Apparently nobody's ever heard of this band before, so people are assuming it's actually Chinese Democracy in disguise. 

I'm still surprised there is no publicity about this.  Where did you read this, MATT?  Perhaps I will be listening to the new album when I am running around on Black Friday??

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on November 14, 2006, 10:26 AM
I'm still surprised there is no publicity about this.  Where did you read this, MATT?

Initially on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Democracy), and then I went to a couple of the unofficial GN'R boards, which was where it apparently originated.

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Perhaps I will be listening to the new album when I am running around on Black Friday??

If you mean Black Friday 2007 or Black Friday 2008, then yes, perhaps.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on November 20, 2006, 10:32 AM
There's some word today about a "mystery shipment" of an album to HMV stores for next week.  The band is "The Far Downs" and the album's title is "Blue Trees And Green Grass."  Apparently nobody's ever heard of this band before, so people are assuming it's actually Chinese Democracy in disguise.  And since we've already been making the comparisons to Star Wars in this thread. . .  Blue Harvest, anyone?

Anymore info on this?  Tomorrow is the "big" day...
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on November 20, 2006, 12:12 PM
Anymore info on this?  Tomorrow is the "big" day...

Right, and I was kind of saving this so I'd have something else to post tomorrow along with the Tuesday countdown, but what the hell:

Guns N' Roses album pushed to 2007 (http://www.soundgenerator.com/news/showarticle.cfm?articleid=8608&CFID=19963501&CFTOKEN=65551025)

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Axl's label admit not knowing a thing about a November release

Guns N Roses' "Chinese Democracy" is now odds on to his records shops in 2007 after the band's label admitted this week they were none the wiser to a November release schedule.

Axl Rose had recently revealed his intention to get the $15m, ten-year-old project onto the shelves before the end of the year, and a press release for the Chinese Democracy Tour at the beginning of October 2006 also stated that "there are only 13 Tuesdays left between now and the end of the year" - dropping a hint that the album would be released on a Tuesday between October 3rd and December 19th.

However, it looks near impossible that the album will be released in time for Christmas as the band's label, Universal Records, claimed this week that they had yet to received any information regarding a release date. With a likely four to six week turnaround required from GNR's management delivering the masterwork (not to mentioned publicity and promotion) it looks extremely unlikely the set will drop now until February, with January a traditional dead-zone for big new albums.

So you're more than welcome to go out and scour your local record stores for the "secret" Axl Rose Band album tomorrow.  I'll stay here.  Let me know what you find.  (http://images.dvdtalk.com/images/smilies/lol.gif)

In other news:

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A new live DVD is in the pipeline for February.
Guns 'N' Roses - Live In Chicago" will be released on February 5th 2007 (we're sure of that), and was recorded at Chicago's Allstate Arena.

Tracks included on the set are Nightrain, Mr. Brownstone, Live And Let Die, Attitude, Its So Easy, Wild Horses, Patience, Double Talkin Jive, Civil War, Welcome To The Jungle, November Rain, You Could Be Mine, Godfather Theme and Coma.

This is apparently the April 9, 1992 Chicago show, which was just a few days after I saw 'em in OKC and one of the three or four shows where "Coma" was played.  There were several songs played after "Coma," though, so I don't know if the tracklist above is just incomplete, or if we're only getting a partial show.  The tracklist at GNRontour.com (http://www.gnrontour.com/) says that the pro-shot video (which was stolen and bootlegged years ago) is incomplete.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Diddly on November 21, 2006, 12:32 AM
So are you going to restart the countdown for Christmas 2007?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on November 21, 2006, 11:24 AM
So are you going to restart the countdown for Christmas 2007?

I don't think so, unless Axl goes to the media multiple times in 2007 and says, as he did all throughout 2006, that "the album will be out this year."

Thirteen Twelve Eleven Ten Nine Eight Seven Six Five Four Tuesdays left until Christmas!

Maybe I could do a reverse countdown, however. . .
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on November 21, 2006, 04:02 PM
My first real disappointment today......but only for like a second or two.  ::)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on November 28, 2006, 01:19 PM
Thirteen Twelve Eleven Ten Nine Eight Seven Six Five Four Three Tuesdays left until Christmas!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on December 5, 2006, 11:41 AM
Thirteen Twelve Eleven Ten Nine Eight Seven Six Five Four Three Two Tuesdays left until Christmas!

Sorry, Virginia, there is no Axl Claus.  But here's some news on an album that will actually see the light of day sometime next year:

Velvet Revolver Rediscovers Inspiration On New Album (http://billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003467564)

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December 01, 2006, 4:50 PM ET
Jonathan Cohen, N.Y.

Hard rock combo Velvet Revolver is eyeing a mid- to late-spring release for its second RCA album. The group is recording in Los Angeles with producer Brendan O'Brien, who stepped in for the band's original choice, Rick Rubin, after that arrangement "did not work out," frontman Scott Weiland tells Billboard.com.

"All of our hopes have even been elevated over the past three weeks," he says. "We were really excited about six months ago, when we first began writing. Then we really kind of flat-lined for a while. We didn't know which way we were going. There was a definite loss of inspiration for a bit there. It has a lot to do with chemistry. Once Brendan came on board, I guess it was kind of like a shot in the arm. It was a new energy."

"We thought we'd just kind of give it a shot and see if Brendan was available, and just by chance, the artist he was supposed to be working with didn't pan out," Weiland offers. "So he was available during the exact time we really needed him. He flew out within a week and it has been amazing. [Bassist] Duff [McKagan] came up to me and said, 'You know, I didn't know what it was like to really have a producer before.'"

And though Weiland told Billboard.com last year he intended to weave an overall concept throughout the album, he has since "thrown that idea out the window. In my opinion, there are so many schlock concept albums that have come out in the past year," he says, without naming names. "The ground is way too over-fertile with concept records. I prefer to write a lean and rather vicious rock'n'roll record. I think that would be a better contribution to rock'n'roll at this moment."

And from Matt Sorum's blog (http://www.mattsorum.com/blog/blogframeset.html):

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Hey Friends,

 Looks like The Velvet Revolver are finally going to start recording the album.
 We have 18 songs ready
And we are all very excited.
Producer Brendan O'Brien
 Has been in Preproduction with us at Scotts Lavish studios for the last three weeks.
We have been working 6 days a week, and let me tell you that man has wiped us into shape.
This will be a killer album I promise you.
 We are planning to record
Right up to Christmas and then finish up just after the New Year.
 Making plans for touring
In the spring.
 I know it has takin a little while but Its going ROCK.

 Can't wait to get back out on the road with all you great Fans.

See ya soon,

Matt


And from the official VR MySpace blog (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=4303128&blogID=200823399&MyToken=0dcd52a9-5548-4f90-aee2-ec4e34dd9d07):

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We've been writing songs for a few months now, and we've been in pre-production with the great Brendan O'Brien hashing out the tunes for the past few weeks. We'll be going into the recording studio next Monday the 11th to start recording the new album, with Brendan producing.

As you may know, Brendan has done a lot of amazing records, including ALL of the STP albums, so expect nothing short of fantabulous.

The new songs are sweet and we can't wait for ya'll to hear 'em.

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: ruiner on December 5, 2006, 11:57 AM
Cute avatar Matt - it was only a matter of time... :D
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on December 12, 2006, 04:26 PM
Thirteen Twelve Eleven Ten Nine Eight Seven Six Five Four Three Two One Tuesday left until Christmas!  Two until 2007!

Awethome.

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on December 15, 2006, 03:10 PM
This is way too good to save for next Tuesday:

An open letter from Axl Rose (http://web.gunsnroses.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061214&content_id=a1&vkey=news&fext=.jsp)

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Dec. 14, 2006

An open letter to our fans:

Guns N’ Roses regrets to announce that the following concert tour dates have been canceled:

January 10: Sacramento
January 11: Bakersfield
January 13: Reno
January 16: San Diego

Because of the scheduling of these particular shows, valuable time needed by the band and record company for the proper setup and release of the album Chinese Democracy would have been lost. Rather than delay the album yet again, all involved have decided to remove these shows from GN’R’s schedule. We hope our fans understand and we apologize for any inconveniences this may have caused. Tickets may be refunded at point of purchase.

To say the making of this album has been an unbearably long and incomprehensible journey would be an understatement. Overcoming the endless and seemingly insane amount of obstacles faced by all involved, notwithstanding the emotional challenges endured by everyone -- the fans, the band, our road crew and business team -- has at many times seemed like a bad dream in which one wakes up only to find that they are still in the nightmare. Unfortunately, this time it has been played out for over a decade in real life.

The true, ongoing, behind-the-scenes triumphs and casualties are much more complicated than any negative speculation that the media or otherwise has managed to hit upon. For much of the time, various legal issues have arisen, demanding that the best way to deal with these things publicly, quite frankly, was to keep our mouths shut in an attempt to ensure the best outcome -- especially one that wouldn’t jeopardize the band or the album. It’s easy for people to point out how others have handled similar situations or how they would have dealt with these issues themselves if they encountered them in their own lives. But again, without full knowledge of the various dynamics and circumstances involved, these types of comments or commentary are just uninformed, disassociated, generally useless -- and often hindering -- speculation.

When I agreed to do our recent North American tour, I did it with the understanding that my manager, Merck Mercuriadis, and I were in full agreement regarding our strategy and touring plans and, most important, that any and all things needed to release the album by Dec. 26 at the latest were in place. Unfortunately, it turned out that this was not the case, and I regret to say that the album will not be released by the end of the year. Although many things went extremely well and were very exciting, there were, in our opinion, unnecessary and avoidable complications on our tour having to do with the tour routing, scheduling and album and video plans that wreaked havoc on all involved. This was compounded by an overall sense of a lack of respect by management for the band and crew and each individual's particular expertise that has resulted, unfortunately, in the end of both Guns’ and my managerial involvement with Merck Mercuriadis.

In regard to a release date for the album itself, certain minor –- and I do mean minor -- additions, as well as contract negotiations, need to be completed. Barring any unforeseen complications, these things have now been adequately scheduled. The band and I, along with our record company, feel that this record deserves the proper setup and promotion, not the “13 Tuesdays left” and “It may just appear in your record store” approach offered by management. We believe this strategy may have been used as a tool by management to sell this latest tour to the various promoters, and if this was the case, this was obviously unfair to them. The stress of dealing with this situation has been considerable for everyone, including the band, but more important, in our opinion, it was something utterly insane to do to our fans. You have our apologies, and please know we have been laboring over this with management for the entire North American tour.

It takes approximately eight weeks for an album to hit the shelves once it has been turned in to the record company. For whatever reasons, it appears that it may have been mistakenly inferred by management that this time period could be condensed to three weeks. With that being said, this is not a promise, a lie or a guarantee, but we do wish to announce a tentative release date of March 6. This is the first time we have done this publicly for this album. Others have made up all the other dates for their own reasons. We would like to assure the fans that everything in our power will be done to meet this date. Once it is finalized and official, you will be notified. If we are delayed for unseen reasons, you also will be notified as soon as possible in regard to a new date, and the album will be released as shortly thereafter as is possible. We thank you for your patience.

In the end, it’s just an album, but it’s one that I, the band, our record company and all involved believe and feel is a true Guns N’ Roses album. Ultimately the public will decide, and regardless of the outcome, our hearts, lives and our passion has been put into this project every step of the way. If for no other reason, we feel those elements alone merit your consideration. We do hope you can hold on just a bit longer, and if not, please take a break and we’ll be more than glad -- if you so choose -- to see you again later.

Once again, we offer our sincere apologies and our deepest thanks. Guns N’ Roses also would like to thank all the fans who attended the 70 concerts in 21 countries for their support in 2006. All the best to each and every one of you over this holiday season, thank you and God bless.

Sincerely,

Axl Rose

Now, if anyone wants to do the "Countdown to March 6th," be my guest. . .
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: ruiner on December 15, 2006, 03:52 PM
Either way, it was well-written.

Personally, I could care less about the new GNR album, but hope it sees the light of day for the fans who have been waiting (patiently) for years.



Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on December 17, 2006, 07:14 PM
YESSS!  March 6th!!!

I can't wait!

Oh, man, this is going to be SOO GOOD.

I'm stoked.

GnFnR, baby!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: JediMAC on December 19, 2006, 01:23 AM
(http://imgsrv.931jackfm.com/image/DbLiteGraphic/200612/209275.gif)

So Patty just won two tickets from our local rock station (http://www.931jackfm.com/) to the GnR show at Gibson Ampitheatre (Universal Citiwalk) on Wednesday night...  Merry Christmas to us.  8)

She's seen them perform several times in the past (and was even in their November Rain video), but this will be my first time, despite having worked for them on their audits for a couple years.  Good stuff.  Hopefully Axl will have a little more stamina than when I saw him and Buckethead on the tube a couple years ago...
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on December 19, 2006, 09:35 AM
.So Patty just won two tickets from our local rock station (http://www.931jackfm.com/) to the GnR show at Gibson Ampitheatre (Universal Citiwalk) on Wednesday night...  Merry Christmas to us.  8)

Bring your riot gear......just in case.

Thanx for posting the article, MATT.  Looks like your yearly countdown will end at 2007!   I can't wait until March 6th!!!!!

And be disappoitned again..... :P
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: JesseVader08 on December 19, 2006, 12:41 PM
She's seen them perform several times in the past (and was even in their November Rain video)

Really?  That's pretty cool.  8)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on December 29, 2006, 12:42 PM
Thirteen Twelve Eleven Ten Nine Eight Seven Six Five Four Three Two One ZERO Tuesdays left until Christmas! 

You're slipping, MATT.  ;)  But you can strike thru the year 2007 if you like.

Perhaps the new countdown should be for March 6th now?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on December 29, 2006, 03:15 PM
Thirteen Twelve Eleven Ten Nine Eight Seven Six Five Four Three Two One ZERO Tuesdays left until Christmas! 

You're slipping, MATT.  ;)  But you can strike thru the year 2007 if you like.

Why continue to do the countdown when it's already been announced that the album won't be out this year?

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Perhaps the new countdown should be for March 6th now?

Like I mentioned two weeks ago:

Now, if anyone wants to do the "Countdown to March 6th," be my guest. . .
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on January 8, 2007, 11:43 AM
The greatest disaster album... EVER (http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/live/live.html?in_article_id=425436&in_page_id=1889)

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By MICK WALL Last updated at 18:03pm on 29th December 2006

Ten years, Ł7 million, svengali astrologers, chicken-obsessed musicians… of all rock’s decadent tales, nothing comes close to the extraordinary story of Guns N’ Roses star Axl Rose and his tortured attempts to finish the most expensive album of all time...

Tom Zutaut knew what to expect as his car crowned a steep hill and drew up before the vast Malibu mansion. The huge iron gates were permanently adorned with a small crowd loitering for the merest glimpse of the rock god within.

Very occasionally he would slink out of the supremely tasteless estate in his silver Ferrari and the acolytes would go into a frenzy. Zutaut had been here before, often.

This was the first time he wished he could melt into the safe anonymity of the album-clutching fans; he was anxious about the confrontation to come and expected the worst. His instincts had not deserted him – as it turned out, he was proved absolutely right.

Behind the metal gates and high fence that surrounded the house and its four acres of grounds lived Axl Rose, without question the most successful rock star of the late Eighties. Even at the height of his success, Rose had been a difficult character, but he had now – in 2001 – become a virtual recluse, the subject of intense industry gossip and rumour.

In his solitary confinement, Rose had surrounded himself with huge tanks of snakes and spiders, a collection of Latin-American religious paraphernalia, and a large armoury of semi-automatic weaponry, including a huge array of Uzi submachine guns.

Although no longer the regular drug user he was in the Eighties, Rose still slept all day and then spent up to four hours every evening working out, alone, in his huge gym.

Then he would turn to his computer and surf the internet at night for any mentions of his own name, occasionally posting cryptic messages himself.

He communicated almost entirely by email and rarely spoke to anybody except his 50-year-old housekeeper, and his spiritual guru, Sharon Maynard.

All of which, after his great successes, he was entitled to do. There was just one problem: Rose was supposed to be several years into recording the next Guns N’ Roses album. His record company had already invested millions of dollars in it, but by 2001 Rose had produced very little. Zutaut’s arrival at the mansion was the last throw of the dice by a desperate record company. For Universal Music, Chinese Democracy – the working title of the album – should have been a safe bet.

The album was expected to sell ten million copies when the project was first mooted in 1996, which would have brought in profits conservatively estimated at Ł52 million.

The company accountants were duly briefed. The lack of a record had, therefore, left a huge black hole in Universal’s accounts. And to make matters worse, it seemed Rose had finally given up on the record himself – he had not been in the recording studio for weeks.

And so Universal had now turned to the very man who had created the Guns N’ Roses phenomenon in the first place: Zutaut had even been offered a 30 per cent bonus if he could get Rose to finish the album.

Zutaut had seen off stiff competition in 1986 to sign Guns N’ Roses (he scuppered rival A&Rs by misinforming them the band were appalling live), and presided over their rise to fame, launching the biggest-selling debut album of all time, Appetite For Destruction.

He had masterminded the success of the record by begging MTV to play the video of the single Welcome To The Jungle when sales of the album started to level out at just 200,000.

Reluctantly, the music channel agreed and within weeks the album went to No 1, a year after its release. It went on to sell an estimated 38 million worldwide – more records than Bob Dylan has sold in his entire career.

For five years, GN’R remained Universal’s most bankable act. The 1991 Use Your Illusion world tour made Ł30 million. Now, though, things were very different.

Zutaut stood in Rose’s huge entrance hall, reflecting on the fact that the star had already been through eight producers and 20 musicians. Things had gone beyond the decadent madness of even the infamous Beach Boys’ Smile project (started in 1966; released in 2004).

In the studio, Rose’s latest recruit, guitarist Buckethead (so-called because he wore an upturned Kentucky Fried Chicken bucket on his head on stage) had demanded a chicken coop be built. An area cordoned off by planks of wood and chicken wire had duly been constructed for the musician, an eccentric whose official biography claims he was raised in a coop, by chickens.

And as Zutaut took in the sight around him, his heart must have sunk. How was he ever going to persuade the singer to make music again? I know exactly how Zutaut must have felt, because I have known Rose well.

In the Eighties, I was one of the few rock journalists who supported the band. I interviewed him several times and was given a gold disc for the GN’R Lies album in honour of my loyalty.

The last time I actually saw Rose, though, was when he and three menacing ‘cohorts’ cornered me in a Los Angeles bar and threatened to murder me if I went ahead with a planned book on his band. ‘If I see anything with my name on it, I promise you this,’ he said, pausing for effect while peering at me through his long red hair, ‘I will track you down, and I will kill you.’

Of course, I went ahead with my book. By then, Rose threatening people with violence was a fairly regular scenario.

Even the band was growing sick of him – rhythm guitarist Izzy Stradlin, the boyhood friend with whom Rose had started the band, walked out at the height of their fame in 1991. Stradlin was tired, he told me, of the singer’s histrionics: not least the mid-show walk-off at a concert in St Louis in 1991, which resulted in a mass riot that left 60 people seriously injured.

That was at the start of the two-and-a-half-year Use Your Illusion world tour. By the time it ended in July 1993, Guns N’ Roses were not only the biggest band in the world, they were also doomed. Rose had destroyed dozens of gigs by failing to show up or by storming off stage at the slightest provocation. When it was over, Rose would never perform with the original band again.

London-born lead guitarist Slash told me, ‘I just lost Axl. Everything was so out of control, then suddenly we came home and everything just kind of stopped.’

Over the next few years every member of Guns N’ Roses walked out on Rose. But he seemed not to care. He bought the rights to the band’s name and made it clear that he was going to continue producing Guns N’ Roses music.

The record company chose to keep the faith, too, believing that he could pull off another successful album single-handedly. How wrong they were.

Now ten years into the making, Rose’s album, originally called 2000 Intentions, but changed to Chinese Democracy as the year 2000 passed, has become the most expensive album ever made – except that it has not been made.

Around Ł7 million has been spent on an album that’s not been released. The New York Times has described it as ‘the recording industry’s most notorious white elephant’. To put it in perspective, Michael Jackson’s long-awaited Invincible cost Ł1 million. Indeed, studio techniques have changed so much since Rose began recording his album that there is no way another record will ever cost this much again.

It is now possible to create music professional enough for public release using a Ł1,000 laptop. A senior source at Universal told me: ‘I just can’t imagine anyone being given that sort of money now.’

The central issue has been this: even as he embarked on recording the new album, Rose made it clear to his record label that advice or help from other quarters would not be appreciated. In 1997, Todd Sullivan, then working as a talent executive for Geffen, a subsidiary of Universal that had signed Guns N’ Roses, sent CDs featuring various producers to Rose’s abode, with a note suggesting he might like to consider working with one of them.

Rose placed the CDs on his driveway and ran over them in his car. When Sullivan persuaded Rose to play him some of the snippets he’d been working on, he said: ‘Look, Axl, there’s some really great, promising stuff here. Why don’t you consider just bearing down and completing some of the songs?’

Rose replied: ‘Hmm, bear down and complete some of these songs?’

Almost immediately, Sullivan received a phone call from Geffen chairman Eddie Rosenblatt informing him he was off the project. Such was Rose’s power at Geffen that he could behave pretty much as he liked.

The working partners that Geffen secured for him were a roll-call of rock-production royalty. Youth (real name, Martin Glover), who had enjoyed success as the bassist in UK post-punk outfit Killing Joke and produced albums such as The Verve’s Urban Hymns, was offered an unprecedentedly high – but undisclosed – share of royalties if he succeeded in getting Rose to move on with the record when it was in its early stages, which at the time consisted of 38 different songs.

Working in the pool room of Rose’s mansion, playing acoustic guitar himself while encouraging Rose to sing, he recalls how Rose ‘kind of pulled out, and said, “I’m not ready”’. Youth says that the singer’s mental state seemed fragile. ‘He was quite isolated. There weren’t very many people I think he could trust. It was very difficult to penetrate the walls he’d built up.’

It was clear to everyone involved that Rose could not make up his mind. He instructed his studio engineers to keep recording any ideas the various musicians he’d invited into the fold came up with. As a result, Rose was being sent up to five CDs a week with different mixes of proposed songs. Eventually, he had more than 1,000 CDs and DATs (digital audio tapes). Then, four years in, Rose abruptly appeared to abandon the album completely in order to re-record Appetite For Destruction. He claimed new recording techniques would ‘spruce it up’.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, the re-recorded album never appeared (although to be fair, a ‘spruced up’ version of Sweet Child O’ Mine did appear on the 1999 soundtrack of the Adam Sandler movie Big Daddy.)

By the time Zutaut arrived on the scene in 2001, Rose was back ‘working’ on Chinese Democracy. But getting involved in the project was no mean feat. Naturally enough, anyone working for Rose, from band members to cooks, had to sign confidentiality agreements containing stiff financial penalties for those who dared to divulge details of Rose’s bizarre private life.

All employees also had to submit a photograph of themselves, which Rose would then offer to guru Sharon Maynard for her ‘psychic inspection’ in order to reveal their true motives. Maynard even demanded pictures of potential employees’ children in order to read their spiritual auras more accurately.

Rose’s working routine had become so ragged he rarely showed his face at the studio, despite keeping all the musicians and engineers on a monthly retainer said to cost up to Ł130,000 depending on which line-up he was using at the time. Even the guitar technicians were paid around Ł3,000 a month; one ‘software engineer’ earned Ł13,000 each month.

As well as Zutaut, Universal also signed up former Queen producer Roy Thomas Baker. Rose was a huge fan of Queen and claimed the new material with which he had been wrestling resembled the work of the Seventies pomp-rockers. However, it was all to no avail. By Christmas 2001, with Chinese Democracy still no nearer to completion, Zutaut and Baker were both fired by Rose. Session artists would come and then go just as quickly. Even Buckethead finally bailed out in early 2004.

Universal’s patience finally ran out. In a letter dated February 2, 2004, the record giant informed Rose’s management company that, ‘having exceeded all budgeted and approved recording costs by millions of dollars, it is now Mr Rose’s obligation to fund and complete the album’.

The open tab at the recording studio was closed down. The band’s gear was packed away, and Rose retreated to his mansion.

Rose admitted, ‘So many times, I’ve come down [to the studio] with no idea what I was going to be able to do. If you are working with issues that depressed the c**p out of you, how do you know you can express it?’

Outside the studio, his behaviour – on the rare occasions he was seen – was increasingly bizarre. In February 1998, he was arrested at Sky Harbor International Airport in Phoenix after getting into a fight with security staff. ‘I’ll punch your lights out right here and right now,’ he screamed at a guard who was doing a routine search of his baggage. ‘You are all little people on a power trip. Just put me in jail!’

They fulfilled his wish. Friends claim the incident happened because Rose was carrying gifts that he was taking for ‘review’ by Sharon Maynard – including a glass sphere – and he was worried the security personnel might break them. Maynard’s ability to ‘channel’ spirits has led Rose to believe he has lived many past lives.

At least one date on the last GN’R tour was cancelled after she expressed concerns about ‘energy fields’ in Minneapolis.

Rose apparently had ‘trouble’ in areas of the country that had a strong magnetic field. The tour was called off two weeks into its run after a series of no-shows by Rose provoked riots from fans. Following his visits to Maynard, Rose also underwent counselling from a past-life regression therapist named Suzzy London. She is said to have helped Rose ‘recover’ memories of childhood sexual abuse by his biological father William Rose, whom he didn’t know about until he was a teenager.

It is surprising Rose needed any more bad memories. William Rose had left when Axl was three, and Axl was raised by a stepfather, the fanatically religious Reverend L Stephen Bailey, whom Rose once described as ‘one of the most dangerous human beings I’ve ever met’. Rose claims that Bailey beat him regularly as a child. As one friend says: ‘This abuse is not an external issue for the singer, it’s at the core of his make-up.’

Other friends say, however, that the trouble lies closer to home. Rose has been married once, to Erin Everly, daughter of singer Don Everly, but the union was annulled in 1991. The huge house he lives in now was bought the following year when Rose was dating supermodel Stephanie Seymour.

Rose desperately wanted a child, and the couple planned to raise a family together. But Seymour fled in the wake of violent arguments, in particular at a Christmas party during which she alleged Rose smashed bottles, then grabbed her by the throat and dragged her barefoot through the broken glass. ‘His time with Stephanie was the first time in his life he had stability,’ says a friend. ‘When she left, he had nothing.’

Many of Rose’s friends feel that if he can just ‘get the monkey off his back’ – and release the album – normality may return to his life. There are now signs this might happen.

In September 2005, an internet rumour surfaced that Rose had talked to fans outside the electric gates of his mansion, giving them the news they were waiting to hear: that Chinese Democracy would be released at the start of 2006.

Since then, Rose and his manager have variously promised that the album would be released in March of this year, then November, then an ‘unspecified Tuesday’ before January 2007.

Rose has even been on tour this year, although the performances have been noted more for his eccentric behaviour than his music. Last month, he previewed a full version of Chinese Democracy to guests at his mansion. Former Skid Row glam rocker Sebastian Bach was there. ‘It was mind-blowing,’ says Bach. ‘The word for it is “grand”.’

Sources close to the singer say that Andy Wallace, the engineer who worked on Nirvana’s Nevermind album, is now working on the final touches to Chinese Democracy.

Even discounting Rose and his manager’s various promised deadlines, on November 8 this year a black-and-white video for There Was A Time appeared on the recently reactivated official Guns N’ Roses website. A television advert the same month for Harley-Davidson briefly featured an extract of new track Better – a satisfying blast with a chugging heavy-metal guitar underpinning Rose’s familiar wail.

In selected New York bars, Rose has swirled in and treated patrons to ten-song demos that ‘sounded finished’. It seems all Rose has to do is say the word, and the album can finally come out.

A couple of months ago, Merck Mercuriadis, who until recently was managing Rose, said, ‘I don’t know that we will announce a release date. You might just walk into your record shop one day and find it there.’ (Since then Merck has become the latest to fall out with the singer after a row last month.)

An internet announcement this month by Rose predicts a ‘firm’ release date of March 6, 2007. But as Rose himself said via the Guns N’ Roses website, ‘If you’re waiting, don’t. Live your life. That’s your responsibility, not mine. But if you’re really into waiting, try holding your breath for Jesus, ’cos I hear the payoff may be that much greater.’

‘WAR: W Axl Rose – The Unauthorised Biography’ by Mick Wall (Sidgwick & Jackson, Ł16.99) is out in May

Guess he finally got in the ring, huh?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on January 8, 2007, 12:13 PM
Good stuff MATT.  This thread is the best place on the Net for GNR news!  ;D

So he is playing the material for everybody to listen to now.  That is promising and his internet message with the "1st official" date adds to that.  Sad to read about his early life.  It does explain a lot though.

Countdown to March 6, 2007, or jesus returning.....whichever comes first.  :P
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on January 8, 2007, 12:22 PM
What's interesting is that, like Axl said, "it takes approximately eight weeks for an album to hit the shelves once it has been turned in to the record company."  Tomorrow will be exactly eight weeks from March 6, so if that date holds true, we should be getting more details on the album, such as the cover and official track-listing pretty soon.

That is, of course, if the album is to make it out on March 6.  Wouldn't surprise me in the least if it gets pushed back again.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: JesseVader08 on January 8, 2007, 01:58 PM
That was a fascinating read; one of the most interesting parts for me was this:

Rose desperately wanted a child, and the couple planned to raise a family together. But Seymour fled in the wake of violent arguments, in particular at a Christmas party during which she alleged Rose smashed bottles, then grabbed her by the throat and dragged her barefoot through the broken glass. ‘His time with Stephanie was the first time in his life he had stability,’ says a friend. ‘When she left, he had nothing.’

Wow, that was his how he acted when he had 'stability'?  He must be a mess.

I'd love to see Axl get that monkey off his back and see the album on the shelves on March 6.

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on February 6, 2007, 11:05 AM
Today marks Axl's 45th birthday, but more importantly, it's also one month away from Chinese Democracy's "release date" of March 6.  And with a month to go, nobody's seen the cover art, nobody's seen an official track-listing, and none of the major e-tailers I checked even have pre-order pages up for it yet.

So. . .  it's not looking good for a March 6 release for the album.  In fact, I'll go ahead and call it now--Chinese Democracy won't see a release until at least April 3.

Signed,

Warlord of Music Betting
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on February 7, 2007, 05:49 PM
Today marks Axl's 45th birthday, but more importantly, it's also one month away from Chinese Democracy's "release date" of March 6.  And with a month to go, nobody's seen the cover art, nobody's seen an official track-listing, and none of the major e-tailers I checked even have pre-order pages up for it yet.

So. . .  it's not looking good for a March 6 release for the album.  In fact, I'll go ahead and call it now--Chinese Democracy won't see a release until at least April 3.

Why April 3rd?  The first Tuesday in April, a month later?

I will agree with your comments above.  Considering Axl said the album needed proper time to be promoted and such, not hearing anything from GNR since the original  statement leads me to believe the album will not come out.  Hell, I say "not come out" versus "postponed".  The day the album actually hits shelves is the day I'll believe it.  Nothing Axl, GNR, or Geffen can possible say will make me believe other than seeing the actual album at retail.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on February 7, 2007, 11:15 PM
Yes!!  April 3rd!! I can't wait!!

Chinese Democracy is gonna be awesome, I just know it!!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on February 8, 2007, 10:49 AM
Why April 3rd?  The first Tuesday in April, a month later?

Yeah--just speculating, really.  When If the album is delayed, I'm thinking it'll be a longer delay rather than a shorter one--and I actually think that an April release is a little conservative.  I wouldn't be at all surprised to see it pushed into May or June, if not later.  But, you never know, anything could happen, and we could be listening to it a month from now.  So, who knows?  (Actually, one person knows--but he's not telling.)

Yes!!  April 3rd!! I can't wait!!

Chinese Democracy is gonna be awesome, I just know it!!

You guys are always so excited to hear all the details on the new album--you should really think about signing up for my "Can You Believe Duff Quit the Band?/New Album Updates!" weekly ListServ, which I've been faithfully maintaining since 1998.  I mean, all the basic news gets filtered down here, but all the juicy stuff's in the CYBDQTB?/NAU! newsletter. 
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on February 20, 2007, 10:24 AM
You guys are always so excited to hear all the details on the new album--you should really think about signing up for my "Can You Believe Duff Quit the Band?/New Album Updates!" weekly ListServ, which I've been faithfully maintaining since 1998.  I mean, all the basic news gets filtered down here, but all the juicy stuff's in the CYBDQTB?/NAU! newsletter. 

Signup for a newsletter?  Why?!  You are our GNR coorespondant, MATT!!! ;D

Two weeks until March 6th?  Chances of the album still being released on that day??

"Slim and none.  'Slim' just left town and 'none' is enrolled in the Eyewitness protection plan."
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on February 20, 2007, 12:29 PM
Signup for a newsletter?  Why?!  You are our GNR coorespondant, MATT!!! ;D

Because, like I said, the newsletter has all the juicy. . .  aww, **** it, there is no newsletter.   :-\

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Two weeks until March 6th?  Chances of the album still being released on that day??

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Yeah, I don't think so.

Someone from another forum I read was saying that the album is done and is currently in the mixing stages and should be released in May sometime.  I don't know where he got that information, so I'll assume he's just speculating, too--but, at any rate, I think it's safe to say that the album won't be out on March 6.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on February 22, 2007, 11:23 AM
Feb. 22, 2007 - 'Chinese Democracy' update (http://web.gunsnroses.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070222&content_id=a1&vkey=news&fext=.jsp)

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The good news is that all of the recording for the album has been completed. Drummer Frank Ferrer and guitarist Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal integrated themselves into the recordings seamlessly and will have their presence felt.

There is no official release date, as the band is currently mixing, but after some delays and scheduling difficulties, things appear to be moving along.

Take care,
Del James

Also, a couple of UK sites (HMV (http://www.hmv.co.uk/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=281;1;-1;-1&sku=527255) and Play (http://play.com/Music/CD/RGNCS/3-/1125209/Chinese_Democracy/Product.html)) are listing the album for an April 2 release--which would be an April 3 release, here in the states, if it pans out. . .



Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Famine on February 22, 2007, 01:17 PM
I bet that money I sent Mr. Rose motivated him to finish this recording as fast as he could, so I could then send him more money by buying 2 copies of the new CD, to show there is no hard feelings!

Kevin
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on February 24, 2007, 09:24 AM
Feb. 22, 2007 - 'Chinese Democracy' update (http://web.gunsnroses.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070222&content_id=a1&vkey=news&fext=.jsp)
Also, a couple of UK sites (HMV (http://www.hmv.co.uk/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=281;1;-1;-1&sku=527255) and Play (http://play.com/Music/CD/RGNCS/3-/1125209/Chinese_Democracy/Product.html)) are listing the album for an April 2 release--which would be an April 3 release, here in the states, if it pans out. . .

Oh, hell yeah!  I can almost feel my fingers unwrapping the CD!  April 3, baby!  It can't get here fast enough!  I'm frickin' stoked.  Chinese Democracy ("CD") is gonna own!

I wonder if it'll come out on vinyl the same day....
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: ruiner on February 26, 2007, 05:45 PM
OT - I discovered a cool track I hadn't paid attention to before - Estranged.

Totally forgot I had Illusion I and II....

Just thought I'd share that...

 :D
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on February 27, 2007, 03:48 PM
While we're on the topic of sharing things:

Chinese Democracy crap (http://www.sendspace.com/file/1jj94h)

It's not the album, but instead, a bunch of live and studio stuff.  Some of it, you've probably heard before; some of it, you probably haven't.  I know there were a couple songs in there that I'd never heard before.

I hope this stuff gets a whole lot better for the actual album. . .
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on February 27, 2007, 05:02 PM
While we're on the topic of sharing things:

Chinese Democracy crap (http://www.sendspace.com/file/1jj94h)

It's not the album, but instead, a bunch of live and studio stuff.  Some of it, you've probably heard before; some of it, you probably haven't.  I know there were a couple songs in there that I'd never heard before.

I hope this stuff gets a whole lot better for the actual album. . .

Thanx for sharing.  Sorry I don't have anything for "Show & Tell" today.  :P

What didn't you like about it?  I'll download this when I get home tonight.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on February 28, 2007, 12:53 AM
What didn't you like about it?

I'm not much of a critic, but to me, it's very generic-sounding, both lyrically and musically, and Axl sounds terrible in much of it.  There are some decent songs, I suppose--but only because there has to be:  "Better," "There Was a Time," and (despite the horrid title) "The Blues" are okay.  But overall, if the finished album sounds anything like the stuff here (some of which is several years old), I'd have to ask:  Sixteen years since the last album, and this is what he's got to show for it?  I hope I'm wrong, and I hope the album's great, but I gotta admit--I'm not setting my sights too high.

Side note:  Wilco released the cover art for their new album today--an album which isn't due in stores until the middle of May.  If that's any indication of the lead time for these things, Chinese Democracy could be even further off than we thought.

Side-side note:  I was reading the other day that Velvet Revolver (remember them?) is prepping their new album, Libertad, for a May/June release.  If I've said this before, I'll say it again (and if I've never said it at all, then here it is, for the first time):  I'd love nothing more than for VR to get their second album out before Axl's first.  How awethome that would be.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on February 28, 2007, 11:51 AM
I'm not much of a critic, but to me, it's very generic-sounding, both lyrically and musically, and Axl sounds terrible in much of it.  There are some decent songs, I suppose--but only because there has to be:  "Better," "There Was a Time," and (despite the horrid title) "The Blues" are okay.  But overall, if the finished album sounds anything like the stuff here (some of which is several years old), I'd have to ask:  Sixteen years since the last album, and this is what he's got to show for it?  I hope I'm wrong, and I hope the album's great, but I gotta admit--I'm not setting my sights too high.

What do you want or hope the album sounds like? 

I didn't get a chance to download this last night, so I'll try again tonight.  While I really like songs like "There Was A Time" and "The Blues", I hope the album (if it is ever released) is not filled with slower-tempo songs like those two.  I really like "Better" and the raw, in-your-face sound it has.  "I.R.S." is also good, but not as heavy.  If the album is filled with songs like "T.W.A.T." and power ballads, I'll still like it but won't be blaring it on my stereo too often unless I'm in a tired, calm mood.

Give me an album with songs like "Better", and I'll be happy.  Either way, no matter what comes out, everyone will call it a disappointment.  Nothing can live up to the myth or hype.

As for Velvet Revolver, I have their first album.  And it is a good rock album, but I never liked the polish sound it has.  Slash's riffs are best suited for a hard rock sound, and Weilend's vocals have become very laid back.  I am big STP fan, but ever since the 2nd album (Purple?), Weilend's vocals have been anything but Hard Rock.  That being said, "Interstate Love Song" is one of my all-time favs!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Reid on February 28, 2007, 03:14 PM
"There Was A Time" is really starting to grow on me. "Better" and "I.R.S." are great as well. If this is any indication of what the finished album sounds like, sign me up for 1000 copies!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on February 28, 2007, 08:08 PM
Hey guys, some of us are waiting until April 3.  How about a spoiler alert?  >:(
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Famine on February 28, 2007, 08:26 PM
Hey guys, some of us are waiting until April 3.  How about a spoiler alert?  >:(

Warning, there are spoilers in this thread.

Kevin
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on March 1, 2007, 03:30 PM
Hey guys, some of us are waiting until April 3.  How about a spoiler alert?  >:(

Warning, there are spoilers in this thread.

Kevin

 :D ;D

Those songs have been out for a while now, and unless you've heard them before, the titles of those songs are worthless.

But sure, put me down as "can't wait until April 3rd"....... ::)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Jim on March 1, 2007, 04:21 PM
Surprised no one mentioned the new release date.  September :P What a looser.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on March 1, 2007, 04:47 PM
Looks like that's just a date posted on some European music store web site... nothing official.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on March 2, 2007, 11:01 AM
Looks like that's just a date posted on some European music store web site... nothing official.

Well if we go by the "official" date.......I'll let you guys know what I think of the album this Tuesday!  ::)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on March 2, 2007, 12:55 PM
Well if we go by the "official" date.......I'll let you guys know what I think of the album this Tuesday!  ::)

If you take Axl at his word, March 6 was never set in stone--it was a target date:

Quote
this is not a promise, a lie or a guarantee, but we do wish to announce a tentative release date of March 6. This is the first time we have done this publicly for this album. Others have made up all the other dates for their own reasons. We would like to assure the fans that everything in our power will be done to meet this date. Once it is finalized and official, you will be notified. If we are delayed for unseen reasons, you also will be notified as soon as possible in regard to a new date, and the album will be released as shortly thereafter as is possible.

What do you want or hope the album sounds like?

I don't know--something better than what I've heard so far. 
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Famine on March 2, 2007, 01:06 PM
Matt, has the band actually posted any notices about the delay, or anything of the sort? All I saw was that story you posted ABOUT the band experiencing delays, but nothing actually from the band.

Kevin
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on March 2, 2007, 01:15 PM
Matt, has the band actually posted any notices about the delay, or anything of the sort? All I saw was that story you posted ABOUT the band experiencing delays, but nothing actually from the band.

This is all that's been posted on the band's official site since the "letter from Axl" in December:

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The good news is that all of the recording for the album has been completed. Drummer Frank Ferrer and guitarist Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal integrated themselves into the recordings seamlessly and will have their presence felt.

There is no official release date, as the band is currently mixing, but after some delays and scheduling difficulties, things appear to be moving along.

Take care,
Del James

That was last Thursday.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: iFett on March 3, 2007, 12:35 PM
I heard "a" new GNR song on the radio this morning and it sounded pretty good.  Never really paid attention to song titles for some reason though.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on March 5, 2007, 03:07 PM
I heard "a" new GNR song on the radio this morning and it sounded pretty good.  Never really paid attention to song titles for some reason though.

Where did you hear this?  Song title??
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: iFett on March 5, 2007, 03:33 PM
I heard "a" new GNR song on the radio this morning and it sounded pretty good.  Never really paid attention to song titles for some reason though.
Where did you hear this?  Song title??

A local rock station here in the Twin Cities area.  93X.  Quite the crappy station if I must say so myself, but this was a welcomed treat.  I haven't cared for GNR since back in the Illusion days so I didn't really let the song play out to catch a title. **note - I don't really care for song titles, so I wouldn't have even bothered remembering it if they gave it out.  I gave up on remembering/caring about song titles on Metallica's Black album.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: ruiner on March 6, 2007, 11:58 AM
It was probably "Better."

It could have been, well, better.

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Nicklab on March 6, 2007, 12:02 PM
Apparently some radio stations that have played "Better" have also been served with cease and desist orders from either Guns n' Roses management or the label.  The whole thing really has become so ridiculous.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Reid on March 11, 2007, 10:06 PM
According to Wikipedia (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertad_%28album%29), the release date for Velvet Revolver's Libertad album is June 5.

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On February 23, 2007, Dave Kushner announced on his website that "The last day in the studio was yesterday...and now all that's left to do is finish mixing." [8] The album's official release date is currently June 5.

And the tracklisting...

1. She Builds Quick Machine
2. Pills, Demons, Etc.
3. (This Fight Could Be) The Last Fight
4. Motherfucka
5. Boogie in "E"
6. Just 16
7. Please Don't Go
8. Messages (They Left)
9. Swiss Miss
10. Mary Mary
11. Remedy
12. Grave Dangers
13. Gas-N-A-$Laugh
14. Get Out the Door
15. Wasted Heart
16. Queen for a Day

KIinda funny VR has put out 2 records before neo-GNR's put out their first.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: iFett on March 11, 2007, 10:21 PM
It was probably "Better."

It could have been, well, better.

I sat through an entire listening this morning and it was in fact "Better"  Loved the song for the most part.  My older brother died in a car crash after T2 came out so the song brought a tear to my eye after listening to it in its entirety - didn't mean much but I appreciated hearing the new/old voice of Axl....
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on March 13, 2007, 01:25 AM
The truth about 'Better' (http://web.gunsnroses.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070312&content_id=a1&vkey=news&fext=.jsp) (straight from Axl Rose Yes Man #1, Dizzy Reed)

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March 12, 2007

By Doug Miller / GunsNRoses.com

The song "Better" has been receiving airplay across the country, but there is no official single release. No one seems to know where the song came from or how it got out. Did Guns N’ Roses purposely leak the track?

"Here’s what I know," keyboardist Dizzy Reed explains to GunsNRoses.com. "We were doing a commercial with Harley-Davidson. Harley was going to do a version using 'Paradise City' and another version using 'Better.' Their Web site even had a version up for like one day with 'Better,' but the version of 'Better' that they had was an unfinished, unapproved demo. That’s why it was removed. The version that’s getting airplay is that same demo.

"Our understanding of how that happened is that an experimental edit using 'Better' in place of 'Paradise City' was somehow accidentally mislabeled as the 'Paradise City' Harley-Davidson video/commercial and was inadvertently released on the internet. We believe the 'leak' came from this source tape and someone with access to it.

"For the record, absolutely none of the songs that have been leaked have come from the band or our organization. None of the songs that have been leaked are anything more than demo versions, works in progress. No final mixes.

"It’s really frustrating working on something as hard as we have and then having it wind up on the Internet before it’s finished. Hearing a demo on the radio really sucks."

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!  Someone leaked our demo onto the Internet!!!!  And we've only had the last ten years to work on it!!!!!!  It's not done yet!!!!!

Sorry, Diz', you'll receive no sympathy from me.  Since Halloween-time, when those naughty, naughty people at Harley Davidson leaked your song onto the evil internet, my favorite band Wilco went into the studio, recorded an album, mixed it, and just previewed it, in full, on the internet, to anyone who wanted to listen to it, for free, over two months before it's due in stores.  And this ****-for-brain's bitching about one lousy leak of one lousy demo of one lousy song from one lousy album from one lousy "band."

Not buyin' it, fella.  You guys have a lot more to worry about than what the mean internet people did with your demo.  Give me a ******* break.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on March 13, 2007, 09:47 AM
Not buyin' it, fella.  You guys have a lot more to worry about than what the mean internet people did with your demo.  Give me a ******* break.

Well, I like the demo version just fine.........and have for over 6 months now.  ;D
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on March 13, 2007, 01:18 PM
Well, I like the demo version just fine.........and have for over 6 months now.  ;D

Have no fear:  There's still plenty of time for them to **** it up between now and when the album comes out in 2011.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: JesseVader08 on March 13, 2007, 04:36 PM
2011?  That sounds rather optimistic to me.  ;)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on March 14, 2007, 08:20 AM
Hell yeah!  2011 is gonna ******' raawwwwk with GnFnR!  I can't wait.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on March 14, 2007, 11:27 AM
Hell yeah!  2011 is gonna ******' raawwwwk with GnFnR!  I can't wait.

(I don't like you.) (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12100.msg220759#msg220759)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on March 15, 2007, 08:22 AM
(I don't like you.) (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12100.msg220759#msg220759)

That's not what you said in the back of your mom's station wagon... >:(
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on March 19, 2007, 12:35 PM
You know GNR is my favorite band but even i have come to understand that Chinese Democracy will never be released. At this point i don't think it can be. Its too much of a Legend. No matter what happens the reviews will be terrible becuase after so many years the expectations are too high. My final thought about it, i don't think Axl actually has a full album to release. After all these years i think he has the 6 or 7 tracks that have been leaked or performed live. With that said, i would kill for studio versions of Madagascar and the Blues.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on March 19, 2007, 01:55 PM
You know GNR is my favorite band but even i have come to understand that Chinese Democracy will never be released. At this point i don't think it can be. Its too much of a Legend.

More of a myth than a legend, at this point, I think. 

Quote
No matter what happens the reviews will be terrible becuase after so many years the expectations are too high. My final thought about it, i don't think Axl actually has a full album to release. After all these years i think he has the 6 or 7 tracks that have been leaked or performed live. With that said, i would kill for studio versions of Madagascar and the Blues.

Agreed on the reviews--it's gonna have to be a very good record to even come close to living up to the hype, and if all the evil leaked demos and live versions are any indication, they've still got a long way to go. 

Disagreed on the number of songs--from what I've read, it sounds like there are at least a couple dozen tracks that have been worked on to some degree.  I think it has more to do with Axl being a perfectionist nutjob, than anything else.  He's really painted himself into a nasty corner here.

I still think that the album will be out this year, but I think I was (obviously) way too optimistic with the April 3rd guess.  I'm guessing June at the earliest at this point (I'd love to see it released the same day as VR's new one), but I wouldn't be at all surprised if it slipped into the second half of the year. . .
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on March 19, 2007, 02:42 PM
You know GNR is my favorite band but even i have come to understand that Chinese Democracy will never be released. At this point i don't think it can be. Its too much of a Legend.

More of a myth than a legend, at this point, I think. 

Quote
No matter what happens the reviews will be terrible becuase after so many years the expectations are too high. My final thought about it, i don't think Axl actually has a full album to release. After all these years i think he has the 6 or 7 tracks that have been leaked or performed live. With that said, i would kill for studio versions of Madagascar and the Blues.

Agreed on the reviews--it's gonna have to be a very good record to even come close to living up to the hype, and if all the evil leaked demos and live versions are any indication, they've still got a long way to go. 

Disagreed on the number of songs--from what I've read, it sounds like there are at least a couple dozen tracks that have been worked on to some degree.  I think it has more to do with Axl being a perfectionist nutjob, than anything else.  He's really painted himself into a nasty corner here.



I have heard that as well, but from the people i have spoke to, Zakk Wylde and even Bumblefoot, mention that they really have no idea how many songs there are. I hope that there are dozens, and i would love a Chinese Democracy box set  ;D i just have this feeling he doesn't have much done at all. I hope he proves me wrong.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Reid on April 16, 2007, 07:31 PM
Libertad album cover, release date, and tracklisting...

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a7/Vrlibertad.jpg/509px-Vrlibertad.jpg)

American Man
For Brother
Gas N' A $Laugh
Get Out the Door
Grave Dancers
Just 16
Let It Roll
Messages (They Left)
Pills, Demons, Etc.
Queen for a Day
She Builds Quick Machines (1st Single)
She Mine
Spay
This Fight (Could be the Last Fight)
Wasted Heart

May 28.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on April 17, 2007, 12:31 AM
Excellent news.  Doubtful that's the finalized track listing, though.

At any rate, thanks for the update.

Two albums from the Revolvers (is that what we're calling them?  The Revolvers?) before Chinese Democracy = hilarity
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on April 18, 2007, 12:19 AM
Libertad has been delayed by several weeks:

Velvet Revolver Sets July Date For 'Libertad' (http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003572634)

Quote
April 17, 2007, 2:55 PM ET
Jonathan Cohen, N.Y.

After scrapping the original May 29 release date, Velvet Revolver has settled on July 3 to unveil its second RCA album, "Libertad." Impacting in mid-May, the first single from the set will be "She Builds Quick Machines," one of the four new tracks the group has been playing of late during shows in South America.

"RCA did a bunch of research on what the first single should be," bassist Duff McKagan told Billboard.com last night (April 16) before a gig in Buenos Aires. "I'm pretty anti that stuff. The band had something they wanted to go with, but RCA just kept coming with it. So we decided, it's fine. It's a great f*ckin' rock song. It has a kick-ass guitar riff, a great chorus, a really big bridge and a great Slash solo."

McKagan is also high on "Last Fight," which he calls "a mid-tempo, really beautiful song; probably something you wouldn't expect from us," as well as "She Mine," described as "a fun pop ditty."

"I think 'Contraband' was a great record," he says of Velvet Revolver's 2004 debut. "It was the right one for us to make as our first record. But 'Libertad' really goes way beyond that musically. I don't think any of us could have made a better record at this point in our careers."

As previously reported, the group was planning to record "Libertad" with producer Rick Rubin but found itself at odds with his approach. Brendan O'Brien ultimately produced the album.

"We all went to dinner last August and shook on it," McKagan recalls of Rubin. "At that point, we had 30 songs. He came down the second week of September and said, 'Okay great guys, now write some more songs.' So we wrote more songs. Another month later, he was like, 'Okay great, write some more songs.' We got up to 50 songs! When somebody tells you to write more songs, you start thinking, 'Well, all of our sh*t sucks.' It's not a good place for a band like us to be at."

"Rick is a great guy," he continues. "We've all known him for a long time. But we just decided, maybe next record, or some other time." Once O'Brien took over, "he inspired all of us to dig in to the parts," McKagan says. "None of us were afraid to bring anything new to the table."

Velvet Revolver begins a short North American tour May 3 in Los Angeles, and European festival dates are on tap through early July. McKagan says fans can expect songs from its members' old bands (Guns N' Roses, Stone Temple Pilots) to crop up occasionally, but less frequently than in Velvet Revolver's early days, when it barely had enough originals to play a headlining set.

"I don't know whether we'll do it the whole tour or once in awhile," he says. "But I know people like to hear them and sometimes we really like to play them. It's songs we wrote, so why not?"
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on April 18, 2007, 12:26 AM
Fingers crossed that Duff "Rose" McKagan has been a lot more involved in the singing and song writing of the latest Revolvers (is that what we're calling them, The Revolvers?) CD
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on April 18, 2007, 12:38 AM
Fingers crossed that Duff "Rose" McKagan has been a lot more involved in the singing and song writing of the latest Revolvers (is that what we're calling them, The Revolvers?) CD

Screw that, I hope he starts working on the follow-up to his solo album!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on April 18, 2007, 02:08 AM
Fingers crossed that Duff "Rose" McKagan has been a lot more involved in the singing and song writing of the latest Revolvers (is that what we're calling them, The Revolvers?) CD

I can't stand Duff's singing.  STP dude has much better pipes.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on April 18, 2007, 01:57 PM
Fingers crossed that Duff "Rose" McKagan has been a lot more involved in the singing and song writing of the latest Revolvers (is that what we're calling them, The Revolvers?) CD

I can't stand Duff's singing. 


I never liked Duff's voice either. I prefer it if he didn't sing.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: ruiner on April 18, 2007, 03:48 PM

I can't stand Duff's singing.  STP dude has much better pipes.

Scott Weiland.

 :-*
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on April 18, 2007, 05:30 PM
You guys are NUTS

(http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/c1/d7/30a4b220dca02846f4c49010._AA240_.L.jpg)

When I was a young boy
Said some man parted some sea
They said believe in us
Why should they lie to me


Now I'm not a young boy
What I believe is what I believe
But I still get fooled sometimes
It's so goddamned easy
(Girl Part)


Now that I'm a grown man
Be the best that I can be
Been down every rocky road
And I'm bloodied at my knees
But I treat you like a princess
Never ask to be the king
Just believe in me
Believe in me
Believe in me
Yeah yeah
Where does it leave me
When you don't believe in me
Where does it leave me
When you don't believe in me


I'd climb any mountain
Yeah I'd cross any sea
I might break down and cry
But I'd drop down my bottle of rye
If you'd just believe in me
Believe in me
Believe in me
Where does it leave me
When you don't believe in me
Where does it leave me
When you don't believe in me


But I'm still my own man
Yeah I'm still my own man
And I do what I can
And while you're treating me raw
I still make my own law
I still make my own law


Come on
Believe in me
Believe in me
Yeah....me
Believe in me
Yeah
Come on
Believe in me
Can't you see just believe in me
Come on
Believe in me
Yeah yeah
Believe in me
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on April 18, 2007, 05:45 PM
Duff's album was probably my favorite GNR solo album, perhaps only 2nd to Gilby's 1st album.  Duff's had a little bit of everything, but still had that crazy, drunk, punk vibe to it.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on April 18, 2007, 06:54 PM
Duff's album ******* ruled.  I think it's at least as good as Use Your Illusion II, even better than Use Your Illusion I, and almost as good as Appetite.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on April 25, 2007, 12:21 AM
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JOHANNESBURG, South Africa, Apr 23, 2007 (UPI via COMTEX) -- The largest outdoor rock concert in South Africa is without a major headliner after Guns N' Roses pulled out because of an injury to bassist Tommy Stinson.

The group's planned appearances at My Coke Fest concerts in Johannesburg on April 27 and Cape Town on May 1 were billed as the start of a world tour, Billboard said Monday.

"Stinson recently sprained his left wrist in a fall and the injury has not yet healed. As a result, Guns N' Roses will not make their two scheduled performances at My Coke Fest in South Africa at the end of the month," said a statement from promoter Big Concerts. Several other shows in Australia, New Zealand and Japan also were postponed indefinitely.

Organizers said Guns N' Roses fans who no longer want to attend the events can receive full refunds.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on April 25, 2007, 09:38 AM
My neighbor named their son Axel last fall.  And on Saturday I went over there to drop off I noticed he was wearing a tattered Gn'R shirt.  Putting two and two together I asked him if Axel was an homage to our favorite Rock n Roll star...he just smiled

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on April 25, 2007, 10:57 AM
I know it's douchey, but when my son was a baby, I got him a Gn'R onesie that said "Sweet Child O' Mine."  It was cute.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on April 25, 2007, 01:15 PM
I got my god-daughter a GNR onesie and a Down little black t-shirt when she was a baby. It is very difficult finding baby clothes in balck.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on April 25, 2007, 01:52 PM
Yeah, Hot Topic is gay, but where else are you going to find infant and child sized Tool t-shirts?

Back on topic:

(http://www.cinemablend.com/images/sections/3940/3940.jpg)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 6, 2007, 06:45 PM
New (final?) versions of four old tracks leaked this weekend.

:) (http://www.sendspace.com/file/emzxcx)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on May 7, 2007, 10:06 AM
I have only heard 2 from this weekend. Now if i could only et them in MP3 form so i can put them on my ipod.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on May 7, 2007, 12:48 PM
New (final?) versions of four old tracks leaked this weekend.

:) (http://www.sendspace.com/file/emzxcx)

Well, we are now less than one month away from the 'official' release date, right??

Anybody got links or downloads of the 'new' songs?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 7, 2007, 05:22 PM
Now if i could only et them in MP3 form so i can put them on my ipod.

If only. . .

:) (http://www.sendspace.com/file/emzxcx)

Well, we are now less than one month away from the 'official' release date, right??

Don't think there is an "official" release date, is there?

Quote
Anybody got links or downloads of the 'new' songs?

Not me.

:) (http://www.sendspace.com/file/emzxcx)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on May 7, 2007, 05:31 PM
HAHAHA  ;)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 15, 2007, 03:24 PM
Some snippets of four new tracks from the Revolvers (is that what we're calling them?  The Revolvers?) are up here:

Link (http://music.aol.com/franchise/firstlisten/velvet-revolver-new-songs)

Doesn't sound too different from the last album--but it's hard to tell from one full song and minute-thirty-long clips of three other songs. 

Apparently they're gonna release an EP here in a few weeks called "Melody and the Tyranny" containing two tracks from the new album, a live version of "Do It for the Kids" from the first album, and a cover of Talking Heads' "Psycho Killer."

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Reid on May 15, 2007, 04:07 PM
Apparently they're gonna release an EP here in a few weeks called "Melody and the Tyranny"


Any idea when this'll be released, and where it will be sold?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 15, 2007, 04:14 PM
Any idea when this'll be released, and where it will be sold?

Dunno--I just found out about it today, while cruising Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melody_and_the_Tyranny).  It says June 4 for the EP (album follows on July 3).  I would assume it'll be available in most stores, but I didn't see anything for it at Amazon or DeepDiscount just now.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on May 15, 2007, 05:55 PM
I am interviewing Bumblefoot this week. His management has already mentioned i cannot ask when Chinese Democracy will be released.  :-\
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 15, 2007, 06:16 PM
Like he'd know, anyway.

It's Axl's world--we're only living in it.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Reid on May 15, 2007, 07:46 PM
Cover art and tracklisting for Melody And The Tyranny, courtesy of Blabbermouth.net...

(http://www.sonybmg.de/include/resizeimage.php?border=1&size=4&scaleONE=1&align=C&crop=1&img=http://www.bmgnews.de/PARI/KAT/COVER1/JPG72DPI8/P/88697112302.jpg)

01. She Builds Quick Machines (4:02)
02. Just Sixteen (3:59)
03. Psycho Killer (4:13)
04. Making Of Libertad (10:30)
05. Do It For The Kids (4:13)

And the supposedly final tracklisting for the Libertad album...

01. Let It Roll
02. She Mine
03. Get Out The Door
04. She Builds Quick Machines
05. The Last Fight
06. American Man
07. Mary Mary
08. Just Sixteen
09. Can't Get It Out Of My Head
10. For A Brother
11. Spay
12. Gravedancer
13. "Making Of Libertad" documentary (multimedia section)

Released in two formats, regular CD, and a CD/DVD version w/ an exclusive documentary.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on May 15, 2007, 08:16 PM
I am interviewing Bumblefoot this week. His management has already mentioned i cannot ask when Chinese Democracy will be released.  :-\

Cool and interesting.  Can you tell us what you do find out?  How'd you get that gig?  What's the interview for.  Like I said...interesting....
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on May 22, 2007, 01:16 PM
Well the interview went really well. He is a good guy. It was fun and actually lasted like 2 hours.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 28, 2007, 07:35 PM
Well the interview went really well. He is a good guy. It was fun and actually lasted like 2 hours.

. . .So. . .  . . .when's Chinese Democracy coming out?

 ;D

According to Amazon, this is the cover for the Revolvers' (is that what we're calling them?  The Revolvers?) new album:

(http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8708/61ipvcfws4lss500ve5.jpg)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on May 29, 2007, 12:16 PM
How do you pronounce "libertad"?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 29, 2007, 12:23 PM
How do you pronounce "libertad"?

"Chinese Democracy killer"
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: ruiner on May 29, 2007, 05:55 PM
How do you pronounce "libertad"?

I thought you said 'libertard.'

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on June 12, 2007, 02:22 PM
Back in the day, I picked up this cool import vinyl picture disc for the "Don't Cry" single.  It had both versions of Don't Cry, but it also had (and this was the reason I bought it) a demo version that I had never heard before.  I think it was from 1986 or something.  It's fairly similar to the Illusion I version, but it's a little more stripped down, not quite as glossy, and is lacking that silly vocal stuff at the end.  It's also got a cool little spoken word part during the guitar solo.  I like it a lot better than the final version.

Anyway, I found a pretty good copy of it online the other day, so I thought I'd upload it for anyone here who might be interested:

Don't Cry (demo) (http://www.sendspace.com/file/f4j8iu)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: ruiner on June 12, 2007, 02:27 PM
Is that leeegal?

(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/b/b6/Gunray_eu_bg.jpg)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Angry Ewok on June 12, 2007, 08:43 PM
Libertard? What the ****?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on June 12, 2007, 09:31 PM
"Libertad"... apparently spanish for "freedom."
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Reid on June 19, 2007, 07:23 PM
Picked up Gilby Clarke's Greatest Hits album a couple days ago... Pretty solid effort. Hoping Duff's second album eventually gets released. It'll be a shorter wait than Chinese Democracy, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on June 23, 2007, 08:00 PM
There's a pretty significant leak in the roof of The Revolvers' (Is that what we're calling them?  The Revolvers?) HQ today. . .   :-X

Oh yeah, and I meant to respond to this:

Gilby Clarke's Greatest Hits

With one of these:

(http://images.dvdtalk.com/images/smilies/lol.gif)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Reid on July 3, 2007, 04:09 PM
So VR's Libertad comes out today... Who's buying? I already picked up my copy at Target, but have yet to listen to it, or import it to my iTunes library.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on July 3, 2007, 07:55 PM
I'll probably pick it up eventually. I am still too busy listening to the chinese democracy demo leaks.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on July 8, 2007, 05:32 PM
Any reviews of the new VR CD?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on July 9, 2007, 02:15 AM
Any reviews of the new VR CD?

Here's a review:

It's nothing mind-blowing, but if you liked the last Revolvers album (is that what we're calling them?  The Revolvers?), you'll probably like this one.  Just a good, decent, straight-forward rock-n-roll album.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on July 27, 2007, 11:44 AM
I'll probably pick it up eventually. I am still too busy listening to the chinese democracy demo leaks.

You still got a working link to download these songs, EVENFLOW??

The latest additions to GNR's page on Wiki:


Seems like the best chance for the original lineup to reunite in a looooooong time.  Lots of reports on the net as well about tomorrow.  Anybody near the the Key Club??

The July 2007 cover of Rolling Stone magazine:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4a/Guns_N%27_Roses_on_Rolling_Stone_cover.jpg/220px-Guns_N%27_Roses_on_Rolling_Stone_cover.jpg)

And in celebration of AFD in 2007, here is a link to a guy who has the entire GNR concert at the Ritz in '88 on YouTube:

http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=gnrslashgnr&p=r

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on July 27, 2007, 01:38 PM
I heard about that show as well and wish it was confirmed that they would all be there becuase i would already be on a plane.

As for a link to the leaks, no not anymore. Sorry.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on August 21, 2007, 04:05 PM
AXL ROSE TO APPEAR ON SEBASTIAN BACH'S NEW ALBUM, 'ANGEL DOWN' (http://web.gunsnroses.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070820&content_id=a1&vkey=news&fext=.jsp)

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Aug. 20, 2007

By Axl Rose

Bas asked me to sing on his new record, "Angel Down," and I agreed and came down to his studio where he played me the tracks. I really liked the title/opening track, "Angel Down," but I didn't feel that it would be right to be on that one, although, of course, it would've been cool because it's a great rip-your-head-off track!!

Since this session was rather a more fun atmosphere, the tracks I sang on kind of showed themselves and were also done out of curiosity on the part of Bas, myself, and his producer, Roy Z, just to see if my involvement brought something that worked for the tracks.

Bas really wanted me on "Bitchslap," and I got to try my own ideas on it. We're not saying much about the second track, as it may be taken a bit further, and when Bas played the third track, "Stuck Inside," he suggested a kind of call-and-answer part. They allowed me the freedom to write my own words and melodies, and although it's only a couple of lines, it really felt great. The song has such a mean riff, and Bas' guys were so supportive in so many ways on tour and fun to hang with, that it was great to be a part of something of theirs and I think it really came out strong.

For me, the three songs together are a good package. They are all different, with different approaches and styles from each other and from material I have on the upcoming Guns N’ Roses record. For me, the timing couldn’t be better and I’m quite surprised to be on one song, let alone three!!!

Bas really knew where he saw my involvement on his album and had different options in mind. He knew what seemed obvious, what would be fun, what would work for his album and what he felt I would like. I really liked the energy of the tracks and since I'm rarely asked to do anything I'd actually enjoy or be glad to be a part of, I'm more than grateful for the opportunity and hope the fans get a kick out of it as well.

Call me crazy, but maybe you could work on getting your own album out, ******bag.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on August 22, 2007, 06:24 PM
I think the part that annoys me most is the part where he says there are four versions of chinese democracy.  ::)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on August 22, 2007, 06:29 PM
Que?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on August 22, 2007, 06:35 PM
Sorry i wasnt paying attention to the article, i thought it was this one from blabbermouth:

Q: I understand that you recently did some work in the studio with Axl Rose on one of your new songs [Note: Before the interview being conducted, BLABBERMOUTH.NET was informed that Axl had only recorded a guest appearance on "(Love Is) A Bitchslap"]. Is that still being worked on right now or are you already done with all the recordings?

Sebastian: It's already done, dude. It's in the can.

Q: Wasn't the single already submitted to radio a couple of weeks ago?

Sebastian: That's an early version. I wasn't finished [with] the record, but the roughs that I did [are] really amazing. [Laughs]

The CD that I made that got me the record with Jason Flom [former A&R rep at Atlantic Records, now Chairman and CEO of Capitol Music Group] and Jack Ponti [CEO of Merovingian Music, Ltd. (MRV)] is a really good CD, but it wasn't finished. The one song, "(Love Is) A Bitchslap", premiered in the "Trailer Park Boys" in Canada, but then they did put it out to radio, but it wasn't completed. That's one version of the song that's at radio now that still kicks ass, but we've worked on it even harder.

Basically, the collaboration with me and Axl started when he asked me last December to sing on… I was at his house and he was playing me the new "Chinese Democracy" album — actually, there's more than one; there's, like, four — but he was playing a song called "Sorry", which is a very heavy, grinding kind of riff and we were partying and stuff and I started singing a high harmony on the chorus of this song and he flipped out, and he goes, "That sounds great." He goes, "I want you to sing that on the record." So in January, I went to Electric Lady [studios in New York City], and I sang the chorus of this song "Sorry", and it came out really, really amazing. So now that I'm finishing my record, just for the fun of it, when I got to L.A., I just texted Axl, I go, "Hey, dude, when are you gonna come and sing on my record?" I was just joking. [Laughs] I didn't think he would do that. But he never ceases to amaze me. And his response was, "When? Where? What time? Where is the studio? What time do you want me there?" I was, like, "You've gotta be ******* kidding me." I go, "Pinch me, I'm dreaming." So he came down on Tuesday night, I think, or Wednesday, and he sang… He sings two songs on the record. I don't wanna say which songs, really — I don't know if I should or not — but he sings two songs.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on September 17, 2007, 08:38 AM
The last album(s) of original Guns N' Roses material was released sixteen years ago today.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on October 22, 2007, 10:26 AM
Not that i believe it or am even willing to get excited...

Chinese Democracy Feb. 12th (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Chinese-Democracy-Guns-N-Roses/dp/B000NQDFP8/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/202-2841348-3239051?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1193063111&sr=8-1)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on October 22, 2007, 03:34 PM
Interesting, but it's worth noting that February 12 falls on a Tuesday next year, and this is the Amazon UK website--in the UK, new music is usually released on Mondays, instead of Tuesdays like here.

---

In other news, Sebastian Bach's album comes out on November 20.  Axl sings on two tracks:  "(Love Is) A Bitchslap" and "Back in the Saddle" (yes, the Aerosmith song).
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on November 2, 2007, 08:00 PM
Anyone else aware that Slash wrote a book?

(http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/6382/51ijucfolnlss500rp9.jpg)

I didn't know the man could even read, much less write his own autobiography.

(Kidding.)

Anyway, saw him hawking it, along with Guitar Hero III, on Conan last night.  The description on Amazon makes it sound like, well, it's Slash's autobiography:

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Here, for the first time ever, Slash tells the tale that has yet to be told from the inside: how the band came together, how they wrote the music that defined an era, how they survived insane, never-ending tours, how they survived themselves, and, ultimately, how it all fell apart. This is a window onto the world of the notoriously private guitarist and a seat on the roller-coaster ride that was one of history's greatest rock 'n' roll machines, always on the edge of self-destruction, even at the pinnacle of its success. This is a candid recollection and reflection of Slash's friendships past and present, from easygoing Izzy to ever-steady Duff to wild-child Steven and complicated Axl.

It is also an intensely personal account of struggle and triumph: as Guns N' Roses journeyed to the top, Slash battled his demons, escaping the overwhelming reality with women, heroin, coke, crack, vodka, and whatever else came along.

I didn't know that he ever drank or did drugs.  This may be worth checking out.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on November 15, 2007, 12:03 PM
Nothing new, but some cool videos I found on YouTube:

GNR November Rain circa 1993 (toned down version) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=f8ARpGUX1w4&feature=related)

New GNR November Rain circa 2006 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=eWer-vHDGDA)

While I don't care that Axl is playing old GNR songs, Slash is also GNR and the two songs that are pure Slash are Sweet Child and November Rain, IMO.  To hear Robin and Bumblefoot play Slash's parts on November Rain (not that well either), is just blasphemy.

Here's hoping the RR HoF bring them back together.  If nothing else will.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on December 13, 2007, 06:31 PM
Danny Devito presents... the best cover of all time, man. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkpxpeCaFZs&eurl=http://wwtdd.com/?start=18)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on December 13, 2007, 07:52 PM
Damnit, I was expecting Danny Devito to sing it!!   >:(
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on December 13, 2007, 08:14 PM
nope. WAY better than that.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on December 18, 2007, 05:01 AM
Danny Devito presents... the best cover of all time, man. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkpxpeCaFZs&eurl=http://wwtdd.com/?start=18)

Hmm.  An awful cover of an awful cover of what was a pretty awful song to begin with.  Thanks, Fergie.

------

Guns N' Roses Lyrics Cause Teacher to Lock Self in Classroom (http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/12/14/connecticut-teacher-takes-guns-n-roses-lyrics-a-little-too-seriously/)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on December 18, 2007, 05:59 PM
Hmm.  An awful cover of an awful cover of what was a pretty awful song to begin with.  Thanks, Fergie.

plus choreography! don't forget that. it would have been nice if they were all dressed like Slash. very classy.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on December 21, 2007, 11:44 AM
Danny Devito presents... the best cover of all time, man. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkpxpeCaFZs&eurl=http://wwtdd.com/?start=18)

Hmm.  An awful cover of an awful cover of what was a pretty awful song to begin with.  Thanks, Fergie.

Ugh....that was horrible.  Someone needs to quickly tell Fergie to stick to her "Humps" style music and the occasional background vocal on BEP songs. 

And what the hell was the audience listening to that prompted them to do a standing ovation?!?  ???

Found this the other day: Carrie Underwood performing "Sweet Child O'Mine" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwRXPMOpUE8).  And if you can't play the guitar parts even half as good as Slash, then don't play it all. 

Wonder which Idol exectutive told blondie to start singing this song?  Seriously, I need a name so I can find him and shoot him. 
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on December 21, 2007, 11:57 AM
11 more days...
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on December 21, 2007, 01:36 PM
11 more days...

Funny you mention that.  I saw this--I guess it's an op-ed piece--the other day, which I thought was kind of funny.  The timeline is fascinating:

Guns N'Roses N'promises (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/11/28/DD0DTH03G.DTL)

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There's something missing this holiday season, and it's not just the lack of inclement weather.

For the first time in years, nobody is spreading rumors about the imminent arrival of a new Guns N' Roses album. "Chinese Democracy," which has been on the verge of coming out for the better part of a decade, currently has no pre-release buzz, a fact that makes us want to start a rumor right now. Things are a little bit too quiet ...

At this point, though, it might be better if the album didn't come out. A release of "Chinese Democracy" would be like O.J. Simpson suddenly finding the real killer. Aging metal-heads' hearts would give out. Stock markets would crash. MTV newsman Kurt Loder would probably have to stop working, and so would Larry King. (At this point, does anyone doubt that they're the same person?)

When Peanuts creator Charles Schulz announced his retirement in the late 1990s, there was much talk about his final strip. One popular prediction was that Charlie Brown would finally get to kick the football - advice that Schulz very wisely didn't take. If Charlie Brown kicked the football, it would undo 50 years of good comics with one bad one.

That's exactly how I feel about "Chinese Democracy." We, the remaining Guns N' Roses fan base, are Charlie Brown. The album is the football. And Axl Rose is Lucy, repeatedly setting deadlines he knows he'll never make, because the public is gullible enough to believe him. (I think Slash is Schroeder in this analogy, and Stephanie Seymour is the Little Red-Haired Girl, although I haven't totally thought that part out.)

The last time Rose announced a "tentative" release date of March 2007, no less than three dozen different news agencies reported it, including the Chicago Tribune, Hollywood Reporter and Agence France-Presse. March 2007 has come and gone, and here we are, still clutching worn-out copies of "Lose Your Illusion II" to our chests, waiting anxiously for the next rumor. There's something that's so sweet and human about the whole charade.

Below is a brief timeline, culled from a three-hour-long LexisNexis search, which contains just a fraction of the "Chinese Democracy" fake-outs that fans have endured. A new GNR album has been rumored to be in the works since 1994, but purists consider the "Chinese Democracy" AD mark to be late 1999, when the name of the new album was announced.

Nov. 7, 1999: Guns N' Roses manager Doug Goldstein says "Chinese Democracy" is nearly complete, and should be out in early 2000. "It's not entirely indicative of what the album's going to be," he says of "Oh My God," a Guns track that appears on the soundtrack to "End of Days," a 1999 action picture starring Arnold Schwarzenegger. "It's a song that seemed to fit the movie."

January 2000: Rolling Stone magazine interviews Rose and reports that the new album is penciled in for a summer 2000 release. "I'd like to take some of the old Guns fans along with me into the 21st Century," Rose tells the magazine.

May 11, 2001: The New York Daily News quotes an "insider," who says the album is basically done. "The album has been finished to everybody else's satisfaction for over a year now," the source says. "But Axl keeps going back to remix it and add vocals."

November 2002: Guns N' Roses keyboard player Dizzy Reed tells the Cleveland Plain Dealer that the album should be out by summer 2003. "There are just a few odds and ends left to do - a couple of finishing touches, a couple of vocals - and we need to mix it," Reed says.

Aug. 21, 2003: Guns N' Roses bass player Tommy Stinson tells the Albany Times-Union that work on the album has "been going great." "It's closer to the end of the record being completed than the beginning," he says. "... I'm not drinking the company Kool-Aid on all that. That's all straight info. I guarantee that the album's coming out. Hopefully it'll be out sometime before the end of the year."

April 5, 2004: After new Guns N' Roses guitarist Buckethead quits, Rose says in a release, "We hope to announce a release date within the next few months."

January 2006: On a Philadelphia radio show, former Guns guitarist Slash says of "Chinese Democracy," "It's coming out in March ... I've been told a lot of things over the years, but it definitely sounds like it's coming out in March."

January 2006: Rose tells Rolling Stone that the band is working on 32 songs, with 13 expected to make the final cut. "People will hear the music this year," he says.

November 2006: Several publications report that the album will be released by the end of the year, with the band's Web site strongly suggesting it will be released on a Tuesday in November or December.

Dec. 15, 2006: Rose puts a statement on the official Guns N' Roses Web site, announcing a tentative March 6, 2007, release date. "To say the making of this album has been an unbearably long and incomprehensible journey would be an understatement," Rose says.


March 2007 passed, and we haven't heard another definitive word about the album, which reportedly has accumulated more than $10 million in recording costs. Meanwhile, the band continued on a short world tour in June and July.

Whatever minor inconvenience Guns N' Roses fans are enduring, I feel much more sympathy for W. Axl Rose, whose life at this point must be like Bill Murray in "Groundhog Day." (Axl's Journal: Clock radio wakes me up at noon. That f- Velvet Revolver song is on again ... Come to the slow realization that for the 3,126th day, "Chinese Democracy" isn't done ... Have breakfast with Andie MacDowell and Chris Elliot ...)

The delay of the album, which was frustrating at first, has become a more entertaining spectacle than anything that could possibly be on the album. Every generation has its crazy musicians, and for the children of the 1980s, Axl Rose is definitely our heaviest hitter. Although the unreleased GNR album hasn't yet approached the madness surrounding Brian Wilson's 37-years-in-the-making "Smile," I'm definitely rooting for it to break the record. If "Chinese Democracy" comes out a year before 2031, it will be too soon.

It's also hard to feel like I'm missing out on new Guns N' Roses, because I've already heard most of the content. Between the songs that have already commercial airplay, the tracks I've heard in concert (Axl has been playing "Chinese Democracy" content since a 2001 Guns tour) and a mysterious Internet download that arrived on my desk in CD form last year, I feel like I've listened to the entire album three or four times. I've certainly listened to more of the new album than "The Spaghetti Incident," the last GNR album, which came out in 1993.

The "Chinese Democracy" tracks that have surfaced offer no clues as to why the album has been delayed so long. The songs are actually not that bad. And other than a slight industrial edge (and an exodus of nearly every band member other than Rose), it barely differs from the last two original Guns N' Roses albums. "Chinese Democracy" could be "Use Your Illusion III."

Even if it's another "Appetite for Destruction," it can't possibly eclipse the fun journalists have had writing about the album. My search revealed at least a dozen different writers who used the same punch line, speculating whether there will be a democracy in China before we see "Chinese Democracy."

Axl Rose may get wrinkly and gray before his next album drops, but that joke will never, ever grow old.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on December 21, 2007, 02:00 PM
Hell yeah!  2011 is gonna ******' raawwwwk with GnFnR!  I can't wait.

Hell yeah! 2031 is gonna ******' raawwwwk with GnFnR! I can't wait.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on January 1, 2008, 12:07 PM
I have a good feeling about 2008... ::)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Diddly on January 2, 2008, 03:43 PM
I finally found Appetite for Destruction at a decent price and picked it up. I've been holding off on it for like 4-5 years but have never seen it under $13. Wal-Mart had it for $8. Great album.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on January 2, 2008, 03:56 PM
You waited 5 years to save $5?   ::)

 ;)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Reid on January 2, 2008, 05:24 PM
You could've easily bought it off iTunes for $8 any old time...
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on January 2, 2008, 06:49 PM
I finally found Appetite for Destruction at a decent price and picked it up. I've been holding off on it for like 4-5 years but have never seen it under $13. Wal-Mart had it for $8. Great album.

You don't say?

Maybe I'll have to check it out, like, twenty years ago.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Diddly on January 2, 2008, 11:05 PM
Yeah, I'm cheap, still buy regular old CDs and am 20 years behind the times. :)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on January 3, 2008, 01:45 PM
i hear that band Nirvana might be worth checking out... anyone hear anything good?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: ruiner on January 3, 2008, 01:54 PM
Couldn't tell ya, their CD hasn't hit the bargain bin yet.

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on January 3, 2008, 02:30 PM
Hmm.  This is kind of interesting.

Possible Feud Between the World's Hottest New Bands. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMjJBJW2_Go)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on January 11, 2008, 01:05 AM
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(antiMusic) The latest rumor swirling around Guns N' Roses is that the long over-due "Chinese Democracy" is complete and with the label but a new battle has emerged that is causing further delay.

We don't know how much stock to put into third or fourth generation rumors, but the word on the street is that Axl has turned in the CD to Geffen at long last but no release date is in sight because Axl and the label can not agree on the marketing of the album.

Are we closer to Chinese Democracy? We have no idea but we are hopeful. We have yet to hear back with the official denials or "no comment" from the GNR or Geffen camp but we'll keep you posted on what we hear officially or hearsay. Again this is all but rumor at this point , besides rumors are more fun than official news anyway.

Link (http://www.antimusic.com/news/08/jan/10GNR_Finish_CD.shtml)

"the word on the street is that Axl has turned in the CD to Geffen at long last but no release date is in sight because Axl and the label can not agree on the marketing of the album."

(http://images.dvdtalk.com/images/smilies/lol.gif)

They just need to pull a Radiohead and offer it up as a free download--by now, everybody's already heard most of the album, anyway, and the finished product, no matter how good it is, will never be able to live up to the backstory.  ******* Rose needs to just put the **** out there, wash his hands of it, and forget about it, and start a clean slate with all new material.  Of course, none of that will ever happen, but it's what needs to happen.

Bah.  I don't think there's anything he can possibly do at this point to erase the joke that he's become.  People don't really give a **** about his new music, anyway.  As long as he keeps hiring a bunch of random dudes, calls them "Guns N' Roses," trots them out on tour every few years to play "Welcome to the Jungle" for people, he'll be set for life.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on January 23, 2008, 01:30 PM
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Tuesday January 22, 2008

It's a fact!

Classic Rock recently tracked down Beta Lebeis, personal manager of Axl Rose, who confirmed to us that Guns N' Roses' Chinese Democracy album "was finished before Christmas".

She added: "Everybody knows that."

Lebeis said Axl is currently "in negotiations".

What could said "negotiations" include? Well, possibly the album's on-sale date. Classic Rock guesses that in order to make the most of album sales, the record company will be pushing for a release in late summer, with a view to it becoming "a big Christmas album".

Negotiations could also include more novel ways of releasing the album. In an age in which the likes of Radiohead offer their album via their website, is it enough to simply released Chinese Democracy in the traditional manner?

Stay tuned for the full, unexpurgated story behind a year in the making of Chinese Democracy in the next issue of Classic Rock, on sale on February 6!

Link (http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/page/classicrock?entry=it_s_a_fact)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on January 23, 2008, 02:13 PM
 ::) I am tired of hearing all the excuses.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Rob on January 23, 2008, 02:24 PM
Thank God our long national nightmare is almost over.

No, really, I'm sure it's almost over this time.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: ruiner on January 23, 2008, 02:25 PM
The only song I've heard is Better and I'm surprised to say that I liked it.

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on January 23, 2008, 02:33 PM
Better is decent, and some of the other "new" tracks are okay, too--but none of them live up to the years and years of delays and millions and millions of dollars that have gone into them.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on January 23, 2008, 06:42 PM
I dont know, I think The Blues is one of the best tracks Axl has ever written.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on January 24, 2008, 10:32 AM
The songs will never live up to the hype.  But the material is good.  Of course, with band members coming and going, it doesn't make sense to release recorded material with people that are no longer in the band.  The band and sound changes everytime someone joins the band. :P

No one can doubt Buckethead's skills, but after he left, all that recorded material was useless.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on January 29, 2008, 01:40 PM
We spend far too much time and energy in this thread discussing ghosts and vaporware, and not enough on people that are actually interested in creating (and releasing!) new music.

Slash Itching To Start New Velvet Revolver Disc (http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/search/google/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003699672)

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January 22, 2008, 10:10 AM ET
Gary Graff, Detroit

Velvet Revolver guitarist Slash says the group is planning a significantly shorter turnaround for its third album.

Slash tells Billboard.com that the group plans to start working in earnest on the follow-up to last year's "Libertad" in April, almost immediately after the quintet finishes a tour that starts Jan. 24 in Chicago and includes dates in North America, Australia and Europe.

"That's the big thing right now," Slash says. "I'm really jazzed about doing it. I've been working on new ideas, and we've had a couple times where the guys all got together and worked on some stuff. I'm itching to see what this third record's gonna be, 'cause I think it's gonna be ******' awesome, and I think we don't necessarily need to spend two years on the road like we did last time (for 2004's 'Contraband')."

Slash adds that he's "not gonna go so far as to say, 'Yeah, we've got a couple of new songs done,'" but he says there are arrangements and ideas in place that he thinks will come together in short order. "As you go along you've got more and more freedom and are less inhibited to do whatever you want, just for the simple fact you've been working together for as long as you have, and you've established a certain creative relationship," he explains. "Wherever we're at (now) is definitely far and away beyond where we were a year ago, and we're gonna go explore that."

No producer has been chosen for the project, but Slash says he favors "Libertad" collaborator Brendan O'Brien. And while the Velvet Revolver album is on the front-burner, Slash still wants to move forward on a solo album, which he says will feature a roster of guest vocalist.

"The only progress is I'm starting to put it together as to how I'm gonna do it and who I'm gonna do it with," he says. "It's actually really in the back of my mind, but I haven't gotten the wheels in motion to get it produced. It'll be coming -- probably the next thing I do after the next Velvet Revolver record. But if anything delays the Velvet record, I would turn around and do that (solo album) then."

I'm not sure how the third Revolvers' (is that what we're calling them?  The Revolvers?) record is gonna work with this news, though:

Slash: Weiland Playing With STP This Summer (http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003702045)

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January 25, 2008, 11:30 ET
John Benson, Cleveland

After Velvet Revolver wraps a spring tour in support of its second album, "Libertad," frontman Scott Weiland will rejoin his former bandmates in Stone Temple Pilots for a handful of summer reunion shows, guitarist Slash tells Billboard.com.

STP broke up in late 2002; the band's last album was the previous year's "Shangri-La Dee Da." No other details have yet been revealed about STP's plans.

In the meantime, Weiland and his Velvet Revolver bandmates are still plugging away in support of "Libertad" with dates that run through early April. There's also the hope that recording for album number three could begin in the spring.

"I don't think anybody knew the second one came out," Slash admits. "We didn't promote it, for one. The first record I remember going out for three weeks on the road and just promoting, with (bassist) Duff (McKagan) and myself going to Europe, Japan and the States.

"This time around we actually went on the road way before the album came out. It's just a different kind of promotion," he continues. "People are just going to a concert, and you're not necessarily drilling into their head about the new album. So I think that had a lot to do with it. All things considered, it doesn't matter to me. It's still just a really good record."

On the current tour, which plays Milwaukee tonight (Jan. 25), Velvet Revolver has added additional Guns N' Roses and Stone Temple Pilots covers it hadn't performed previously.

"There was a point there where I thought that we felt like we were sort of obligated to do them, like people really, really were expecting that," Slash says. "And once we got a bigger catalog by putting out another record, there was a feeling like we don't necessarily have to do any Guns N' Roses and Stone Temple Pilots songs."

"It was more like Pete Townshend feeling like he didn't have to smash his amps every night," he continues. "So for a second there, that was the plan, but then we personally started missing it. They were like the easiest cover songs for us to cover because we wrote them, so we just sort of got over that."

Speaking of Guns N' Roses, Slash admits he has no contact with Axl Rose, nor has he heard material from the long-awaited "Chinese Democracy." But any silence between the camps is bound to end come 2012, when the influential hard rock act becomes eligible for induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Slash, McKagan and drummer Matt Sorum experienced firsthand what could be in store based on the drama that ensued last year around Van Halen's induction into the Rock Hall. With Eddie Van Halen in rehab and David Lee Roth refusing to attend after a set list squabble, Velvet Revolver ended up jamming with Michael Anthony and Sammy Hagar.

"I never even thought about it until we had to do that," Slash says. "Somebody asked me, 'Do you think you guys will be able to show up for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (induction ceremony) in five years?' I was like, 'Oh, I guess we're eligible.' It never dawned on me before then. If this comes up, I'd hope we'd be mature enough to get up and do that, but I have no idea."

When asked what his gut feeling is about Rose and the other original members coming together, Slash says, "My gut doesn't count because it's not just about me. It's about everybody. And if it was easy to predict, we probably wouldn't have had so many hassles in the first place."

Duff McKagan on Weiland and STP re-formation rumours (http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/page/classicrock?entry=duff_mckagan_on_weiland_and)

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Classic Rock just tracked down Duff McKagan, Velvet Revolver bassist, and quizzed him about VR singer Scott Weiland's recent 'antics'.

Here's what Duff had to say:

On the Sundance Festival:
“I sang It’s So Easy and I Wanna Be Your Dog and then we were panicking a bit over what to play so Matt [Sorum] got up and sang Patience, Matt’s a great singer, he really is. Why wasn’t Scott there? Scott missed his plane, yeah, let’s say that, Scott missed his plane…”

On Stone Temple Pilots re-forming:
“That’s the rumour that I’ve heard too, good for him. You can’t plan ahead in this thing and if you do you’re going to be disappointed. Don’t get me wrong, I love playing live and we love this band, but I don’t have expectations any more. This is a great band and I’m proud to be a part of it, but it doesn’t define me any more.”

Stay tuned for further developments.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on February 7, 2008, 06:57 PM
This made me laugh very much.  ::)

From blabbermouth:

According to The Pulse of Radio, recent reports have indicated that GUNS N' ROSES' long-awaited new album, "Chinese Democracy", is finished and the group's frontman W. Axl Rose is negotiating for more money with his record label before he will release the masters.

The ever-shifting GUNS N' ROSES lineup began working on "Chinese Democracy" sometime in the mid-'90s, and has reportedly spent $13 million recording the effort. Promised release dates in 2006 and 2007 did not materialize.

GUNS N' ROSES has only toured twice in the last 14 years: an aborted 2002 run that only lasted for a few shows, and a far more successful 2006 trek that took the latest lineup around the world.

Although Rose is considered one of rock's greatest frontmen, his sometimes irrational behavior onstage, reclusive lifestyle and notoriety for feuding with other rock stars has also earned him a reputation as one of rock's true eccentrics.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on February 18, 2008, 04:19 PM
This is reportedly from someone at the record label:

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February 13th 2008: 14:31.EST

From the desk of : -------------------, Geffen, Interscope A&M

FAO: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------.

---Guns N' Roses---

Thank you for your patience with the proceedings of the album by the hard rock band "Guns N' Roses". The album "Chinese Democracy" is finally in post production as of January 2008. It has been nearly eight long, arduous years and as such it is a thrill to finally announce that the album is indeed completed.

Suggested Finalized Information:

(please refer to attachment CDsongs.nfo_1)
(please refer to attachment DVDchapters.nfo_2)

To say this album has taken a while is most certainly, an understatement, after various demonstrational products of the album leaked, two world tours had to be cancelled, then pulled back with a phenomenal world tour of 2006/2007, shows the fans patience in this band, and indeed the final album in question, Chinese Democracy.

Mr Rose was personally at Interscope earlier this month and thanks to our marketing and legal departments, has secured the rights for the sound bites and speech as used by Martin Luther King in the song "Madagascar" and thus we have come to an abridged agreement with the three siblings of the King Estate as of September 2007, as well as the guitar work used by the artist "Buckethead" stemming from earlier recordings of the album before his departure in 2004.

The original plans for this major release were to have included an earlier Extended Play disc and then to stem from that the first and second singles from the album, however due to conflicts of interest of the album the plans had been scrapped as of December 2007. The original Extended Play disc was to have contained at least three mastered tracks that were set to be on the album "Chinese Democracy" including the former referred song "Madagascar", as well as three that weren't, in order to give the fans a preview of the album that was forthcoming, however various problems have included lawsuits from former band members, the collapse of our sister company and the forced merger that has tied into that stemming from profits and loss of the financial year of 2006/2007.

The band's original plans were that the album would be released after the world tour in 2007, as with the world tour wrapped up and old and new fans seeing the new incarnation of Guns N' Roses, the album was expected to become a juggernaut and even one of the crown jewels of the music year, along with other established artists under our banner including "Good Charlotte" and "A Fire Inside" as well as our recent signed artists from the UK including "The Klaxons" and "Enter Shikari", then a longer than scheduled tour would have occurred in 2007 into 2008, backing the release of the album and playing shows and festivals that were not on other tours in previous years to integrate the world tour experience.

In late 2007, developments came around new material that had been recorded earlier in the year, with the option of those tracks becoming both physical and digital releases; however more problems arose when Mr. Rose and the current producer, Mr. Andy Wallace, declined against using the mix of the tracks. The tracks, which included the track known as "Motormouth" were set to be used in the new game by Electronic Arts Inc. known as "Burnout Paradise", however an agreement did come through the use of the original master track "Paradise City" which was the tie-in theme for the game.

However more recently the development of financial setbacks have arisen over the prospective release and schedule over the album, with the band set to tour in late 2008 into 2009 following the suggested release of the album has meant that the financing of one Mr. Rose has had to come to an abrupt halt for the time being, as the continuing conflicts are preventing us from nearing 100% completion. The planned tour was scheduled to be beginning in late fall of 2008, continuing into mid spring of 2009, where the second of the albums by the band was to have been released. A third and final album was scheduled for release shortly after this. Long-time friend of Mr. Rose, Mr. Sebastian Bach has been given permission of the use of this information by Mr. Rose. Mr. Bach also has collaborated on many tracks on the albums as well as many other artists and musicians, and as such, problems have arisen with other artist labels to use these musicians on the material, along with issues of pay and content rights.

The current problems that have arisen with the album are also that of visual proportion. The album does not as of yet have cover art and a theme to the cover, as, much to our dismay, Mr. Rose did not like the original concept cover from the album, as seen in a meeting with the band in late 2007. However with plans for the album to be released digitally at first, there are plans for us to come to compromise with Mr. Rose over this situation. With the proposed tour in question, and off the back of that said tour would come the release of the album, these plans, as stated before, are not set in stone, but we are nearing closer, as was said, the album is done, however the legalities and financial issues are the problems for this album at this time, as sale and printing of the albums, as well as copyright control and digital rights management, does not even cover 1/10th of the assets we have paid to Mr. Rose.

Negotiations are ongoing with the band and Mr. Rose's manager, Ms "Beta" Lebeis and as progress is becoming more and more evident now than ever, we are hoping to make a major announcement through official sources of Mr. Rose as of summer 2008.


The record company thus far has paid Mr. Rose an estimated $10 million plus for this album and to keep the well known, established artist under our varied umbrella of artists that includes such established artists as "Mary J. Blige", "U2" and "Sonic Youth". However at this present time, with the album finished and the first of three set to drop in stores in 2008, Mr. Rose's tenure with our label has come under question, as he is one of the most, as well as his band being some of the most, profitable artists that we could utilize to bring up the markets of music in the financial year of 2008/2009.

Yours Sincerely



Ms.-----------------------
Interscope/Geffen Records.


_____________________________ ______

CDsongs.nfo_1

Finalized tracks on hard rock band "Guns N' Roses" - "Chinese Democracy" as of January 2008.

• Chinese Democracy
• I.R.S
• Better
• Sorry
• Prostitute
• No Way Back
• Seven
• Madagascar
• The Blues
• Broken
• MotorMouth
• If The World
• Atlas Shrugged
• Friend or Foe?
• T.W.A.T (There Was A Time)

DVDchapters.nfo_2

Bonus DVD to contain performances from World Tour of 2006/2007

• Welcome To The Jungle (Live at Los Angeles, USA, Gibson Ampitheatre)
• The Blues (Live At Los Angeles, USA, Gibson Ampitheatre)
• My Michelle (Live At Donington, England , Download Festival)
• Better (Live At Manchester England, Evening News Arena)
• I.R.S (Live At Nürburgring, Germany, Rock Am Ring)
• Prostitute (Live At Rehearsals)
• Interview with the Band
• GuitarWorld feature on Robin Finck
• Exclusive - MTV Cribs - Richard Fortus

So, if this is true, and if I'm reading this right, it sounds like the current issues holding up the album are sorting out the rights and paying the dozens of musicians who have worked on this album over the years, as well as deciding on cover art.

It also seems to hint at a digital release at first (perhaps sometime this summer) followed by a tour.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on February 18, 2008, 06:05 PM
 ::) I am so tired of this.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Reid on February 18, 2008, 11:43 PM
Wait, Chinese Democracy is supposed to be the first of three upcoming albums?

(http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/17/54/0000001754_20060919151209.jpg)

"Yeah, and monkeys might fly out of my butt!"
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on February 19, 2008, 03:04 PM
::) I am so tired of this.

Not me.  I love it.

I know I've said it before, but the history behind the album is so much more interesting to me than anything that could actually be on the album.  I can hear it now:  "We waited all these years for this?!"

I hope it goes on like this forever.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: ruiner on February 19, 2008, 03:18 PM
It will go on forever.  This album will never see the light of day.






Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on March 27, 2008, 12:54 AM
Holy ****, this is hilarious:

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DR PEPPER WILL GIVE EVERYONE* IN AMERICA A FREE SODA IF AXL ROSE RELEASES NEW GUNS N’ ROSES ALBUM, CHINESE DEMOCRACY, IN 2008 (http://pressreleasetosaveworld.blogspot.com/)

*Guitarists Slash and Buckethead Will Not Be Eligible For Free Soda

PLANO, Texas (March 26, 2008) – Tired of a world in which Americans idolize wannabe singers and musicals about high schoolers pass as rock ‘n roll music, Dr Pepper is encouraging (ok, begging) Axl Rose to finally release his 17-year-in-the-making belabored masterpiece, Chinese Democracy, in 2008.

In an unprecedented show of solidarity with Axl, everyone in America, except estranged GNR guitarists Slash and Buckethead, will receive a free can of Dr Pepper if the album ships some time -- anytime! -- in 2008. Dr Pepper supports Axl, and fully understands that sometimes you have to make it through the jungle before you get it right.

"It took a little patience to perfect Dr Pepper’s special mix of 23 ingredients, which our fans have come to know and love,” said Jaxie Alt, director of marketing for Dr Pepper. “So we completely understand and empathize with Axl's quest for perfection – for something more than the average album. We know once it's released, people will refer to it as "Dr Pepper for the ears" because it will be such a refreshing blend of rich, bold sounds - an instant classic.”

Show your support for Axl and get on the nightrain of encouragement at http://www.chinesedemocracywhen.blogspot.com/

"Dr Pepper for the ears"

(http://images.dvdtalk.com/images/smilies/lol.gif)

What makes it even better is that ******* Rose actually responded!

Quote
March 26, 2008

Press Release from Axl Regarding Dr Pepper (http://www.gunsnroses.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080326&content_id=a1&vkey=news&fext=.jsp)

We are surprised and very happy to have the support of Dr Pepper with our album "Chinese Democracy," as for us, this came totally out of the blue. If there is any involvement with this promotion by our record company or others, we are unaware of such at this time. And as some of Buckethead's performances are on our album, I'll share my Dr Pepper with him.

Axl Rose

This is funny.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on March 27, 2008, 08:18 AM
I saw that, if it works thats awesome! I'll sign up for whatever list Dr. Pepper puts up.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Reid on March 28, 2008, 05:55 PM
Holy ****, this is hilarious:

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DR PEPPER WILL GIVE EVERYONE* IN AMERICA A FREE SODA IF AXL ROSE RELEASES NEW GUNS N’ ROSES ALBUM, CHINESE DEMOCRACY, IN 2008 (http://pressreleasetosaveworld.blogspot.com/)

*Guitarists Slash and Buckethead Will Not Be Eligible For Free Soda

PLANO, Texas (March 26, 2008) – Tired of a world in which Americans idolize wannabe singers and musicals about high schoolers pass as rock ‘n roll music, Dr Pepper is encouraging (ok, begging) Axl Rose to finally release his 17-year-in-the-making belabored masterpiece, Chinese Democracy, in 2008.

In an unprecedented show of solidarity with Axl, everyone in America, except estranged GNR guitarists Slash and Buckethead, will receive a free can of Dr Pepper if the album ships some time -- anytime! -- in 2008. Dr Pepper supports Axl, and fully understands that sometimes you have to make it through the jungle before you get it right.

"It took a little patience to perfect Dr Pepper’s special mix of 23 ingredients, which our fans have come to know and love,” said Jaxie Alt, director of marketing for Dr Pepper. “So we completely understand and empathize with Axl's quest for perfection – for something more than the average album. We know once it's released, people will refer to it as "Dr Pepper for the ears" because it will be such a refreshing blend of rich, bold sounds - an instant classic.”

Show your support for Axl and get on the nightrain of encouragement at http://www.chinesedemocracywhen.blogspot.com/

"Dr Pepper for the ears"

(http://images.dvdtalk.com/images/smilies/lol.gif)

What makes it even better is that ******* Rose actually responded!

Quote
March 26, 2008

Press Release from Axl Regarding Dr Pepper (http://www.gunsnroses.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080326&content_id=a1&vkey=news&fext=.jsp)

We are surprised and very happy to have the support of Dr Pepper with our album "Chinese Democracy," as for us, this came totally out of the blue. If there is any involvement with this promotion by our record company or others, we are unaware of such at this time. And as some of Buckethead's performances are on our album, I'll share my Dr Pepper with him.

Axl Rose

This is funny.

Interesting, although I doubt it'll have any effect on the release of the album.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on April 2, 2008, 10:16 AM
From Blabbermouth:

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It's Official: VELVET REVOLVER Parts Ways With Singer SCOTT WEILAND - Apr. 1, 2008

VELVET REVOLVER founding members Slash, Duff McKagan, Matt Sorum and Dave Kushner announced today (Tuesday, April 1) that they are parting ways with singer Scott Weiland. "This band is all about its fans and its music and Scott Weiland isn't 100% committed to either," said Slash in a press release. "Among other things, his increasingly erratic onstage behavior and personal problems have forced us to move on."

Slash hinted in a recent interview that the band might carry on without Weiland, who announced onstage in Glasgow two weeks ago that fans were watching the "last tour" by the group. Weiland and drummer Matt Sorum proceeded to get into a public war of words online, fueling speculation that the band was splitting apart. But Slash told Classic Rock magazine, "Obviously I'm very aware of everything that's going on. The only thing I can add to that is, in contrast to what Scott says, there will be a VELVET REVOLVER after this tour." When asked if Weiland would continue as the singer, Slash added with a chuckle, "I have no comment on that."

Weiland is reuniting with his previous outfit, STONE TEMPLE PILOTS, which broke up in 2002. The group has scheduled a press conference in Los Angeles for April 7 where it will announce a full tour of 50 or more dates for the summer and fall in addition to the handful of festival shows already confirmed.

Weiland spent a month in rehab recently, following an arrest for driving under the influence last November and his failure to show up for a VELVET REVOLVER gig at the Sundance Festival in January.

Despite the latest turmoil, bassist Duff McKagan told the U.K.'s Journal Live recently, "VELVET REVOLVER is something that's going to be around for a long while yet."
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on April 2, 2008, 11:36 AM
That would be awesome if Axl Rose became the lead singer of Velvet Revolver.
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Post by: BillCable on April 2, 2008, 12:06 PM
Let's just hope that doesn't happen until after Chinese Democracy comes out... otherwise Axl will want to re-record the whole damn thing with the new line-up...   :P
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Post by: S_A_Longhorn on April 4, 2008, 04:49 PM
Damn, and I was really getting into the Librated album.   ::)

Nonetheless, now that Duff, matt, and Slash are available, the reunion can commence!  Sorry Kushner, but you'd be out of a job.  Izzy would also have to return!

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Post by: S_A_Longhorn on April 8, 2008, 10:20 AM
OK, just finished reading the back-and-forth between VR members (Are we calling The Revolvers?).  With all the talk of Dr Pepper and Chinese Democracy, I'll post the links and quotes here:

March 20, 2008

Weiland told the sold-out crowd in Glasgow, Scotland, UK: "You're watching something special... the last tour by VELVET REVOLVER."

The following day, March 21, 2008, Matt Sorum posted his blog: (http://www.mattsorum.tv/channel/2008/03/21/glasgow-gig/)

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Hey all you great Fans,

So last night was interesting. Had a little band turmoil on stage as you probably all could tell. Being in a band is a lot like being in a relationship. Sometimes you just don’t get along. I guess there has been more turmoil lately I guess with the cancellations and all.

It has been frustrating I am not going to lie. My career and life in Rock n Roll has come with its ups and downs. Unfortunatly some people in this business don’t realize how great of a life they have. Touring the world, meeting great people and fans all over the world. And just playing music for a living. I feel truly blessed. But sometimes the road can be draining for some, being away from home and family does grind on you sometimes. With all the traveling and different beds. Personally I Love this **** and sometimes can’t believe I am so lucky to still be doing what I do for a living.

Everybody could see who was unhappy lastnight but all I can say is Let’s keep the Rock alive people!!!! In this life u just pick up and keep moving. And don’t ever let anybody stand in your way. The TRUTH Rock On!!!!!!

Matt


Weiland responded the same day at Blabbermouth.net: (http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=93414)

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"Well, first of all, the state of my family affairs is really none of his business, since he is too immature to have a real relationship, let alone children. So don't attempt to stand in a man's shoes when you haven't walked his path. Secondly, 'keeping rock 'n' roll alive?' I've made many attempts to remain cordial with the members of VR, but mainly, the likes of you. Funny though — this is your FIRST band, as opposed to being a hired gun. I've been making records (now on my ninth), which have sold over 35 million copies worldwide and have maintained a level of professionalism regardless of how many drugs I've ingested into my system. I have only cancelled one tour during the entire course of my 16-year run and that was the 'make-up' Australia tour. Now, shall I open that can of worms, Matthew? Release the Kraken? Serve... Volley! You cancelled the Aussie tour in the fall because you went to rehab, but I won't say why… we'll just let Blabbermouth find out for themselves.

"As for our fans — I will sweat, bruise, and bleed for you. And will continue to do so until the end of this tour. However, you deserve to hear VELVET REVOLVER playing… not certain individuals singing along to get a muddied up sound. God forbid — could one imagine if I grabbed a guitar and started soloing along with Slash? That would never happen because I know my place. It's a shame… we were a gang. But ego and jealousy can get the better of anyone. I wish the best and plan to annihilate the stage in the last few shows.

"On a separate note, we did an STP [STONE TEMPLE PILOTS] photo shoot before this tour and it was fun, inspiring and it gave me that thrill — that feeling that got my rocks off from the get-go."

On April 1st (no April Fool's joke), the original 4 members of VR (are we calling them The Revolvers?) announced they were parting ways with Weiland with the following statement: (http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=ca4457a1-4a14-43a8-8094-87de82081543)

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"This band is all about its fans and its music, and Scott Weiland isn't 100 percent committed to either," guitarist Slash said in the statement. "Among other things, his increasingly erratic onstage behavior and personal problems have forced us to move on."


Weiland, of course, responds (http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2008/04/velvet-revolver.html) on April 2nd:

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SCOTT WEILAND STATEMENT:

After reading the comment by Duff, Matt, Dave and the illustrious "GUITAR HERO," Saul Hudson, a.k.a Slash, I find it humorous that the so called four "founding members" of Velvet Revolver, better known to themselves as "the Project" before I officially named the band, would decide to move on without me after I had already claimed the group dead in the water on March 20 in Glasgow.  In response to Slash's comment regarding my commitment, I have to say it is a blatant and tired excuse to cover up the truth.  The truth of the matter is that the band had not gotten along on multiple levels for some time. On a musical level, there were moments of joy, inspiration, fun... at times, but let's not forget the multiple trips to rehab every member of the band had taken (with the exception of one member, no need to mention his name).  Personally speaking, I choose to look forward to the future and performing with a group of friends I have known my entire life, people who have always had my back.  This also speaks to my commitment to my music and my fellow band mates in STP and to the fans who I feel would much rather watch a group of musicians who enjoy being together as opposed to a handful of discontents who at one time used to call themselves a gang.

p.s. don't be fooled by veiled trickery

p.p.s good hunting lads, I think Sebastian Bach would be a fantastic choice.



You couldn't write this stuff!
I am disappointed in the breakup as I was really getting into the Librated album.   :-\
Slash has also gone on record saying the band (are we no longer calling them The Revolvers?) has someone already in mind to replace Weiland, and worked with him before the Europe tour.  Had he been ready, VR might have dumped Weiland earlier.  The fact that Slash wanted to start recording a new album this month with VR and Weiland was making plans to tour with STP only added to the problems the band was having.  I guess this gives Slash time to make another solo album.

I know we all like to blame for Axl for the destruction fo GNR, but with all the well-publicized drug problems of Duff and Slash, perhaps Axl was actually in the right???  Hell, even before the Illusions were drawn up, Axl was on-stage saying that certain "members" of the band needed to clean up their act if the band were to stay together.  I can see a situation where Slash claims to be the victim of the GNR debacle, but should also shoulders the blame.  Love that "illustrious Guitar Hero' comment by Weiland tho! ;D

I have to read Slash's book and last year's unauthorized GNR biography now.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Darth Broem on April 8, 2008, 11:48 AM
Oh I am sure most all of these members are very difficult to get along with.  For one thing they are all druggies for the most part.  None of them has ever truly grown up.  To top it off they are insanely rich and could do whatever they darn well please.  It's all a recipe for bad.  But hey, they can all play rock music quite well.  So yay!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on April 8, 2008, 12:52 PM
(Are we calling The Revolvers?)

(are we calling them The Revolvers?)

(are we no longer calling them The Revolvers?)

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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on June 4, 2008, 11:28 AM
I'm reading Slash's book now. 

(http://media.fanfire.com/images/product/large/SLS/SLS42369.jpg)

A very interesting read for a die-hard Slash/GNR fan.  I've read the first 6+ chapters which talk about his childhood and teenage years, including how he began playing guitar.  Surprisingly simply. 

I've begun to read about how the original 5 GNR members came together to write and record the AfD album.  I still have about 70%+ of the book left, which means Slash will discuss in length about what happened within GNR over the years.  Looking forward to that part.

So far, I would highly recommend the book for any Slash or GNR fans.  From what I read, it is the best book about GNR outside of Marc's book about the creation of Appetite.

On a sidenote, I've purchased my first Les Paul guitar.  8)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on June 18, 2008, 08:27 PM
Did anyone get the new leaked tracks before they were taken down?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Phrubruh on June 18, 2008, 10:55 PM
I'm reading Slash's book now. 

Slash can write? I didn't even know he could read.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on June 19, 2008, 09:50 AM
I'm reading Slash's book now. 

Slash can write? I didn't even know he could read.

That's the ongoing joke.  But the book is written in 'simple' terms, but it seems genuine Slash.  He did have a co-author, who probably directed the story, etc.  Of course, as much as he describes the various states of drunkeness & drug addictions, I question how much he actually remembers back then.

Short story about his guitar parts in AfD: Slash had three crappy guitars as GNR began recording AfD.  He sold his equipment to feed his drug habit.  GNR's manager actually bought a California custom built Les Paul replica guitar that we all now know as his famous Les Paul.  He also rented various amps while re-recording his guitar parts on AfD.  After trying several amps, he finally found a tweaked amp that sounded perfect.  He recorded the songs, and planned to keep the amp by giving the rental company a lame excuse.  However, unbeknownst to Slash, his guitar tech returned the amp.  Slash tried to get it back, but never did.  He has tried to replicate that sound, but has never been able to ever since.

The one thing that is plainly obvious is that the band that GNR was in 86-87 made for a perfect album in AfD.  No other version of GNR could ever replicate that.  THe band was a gang, living day to day, and living with a serious drinking & drug habit.  Even if all 5 members got together today, they could never replicate that sound.  Their lives are forver changed b/c of that album, and as a result, will never create anything like that again.

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on June 19, 2008, 09:51 AM
Did anyone get the new leaked tracks before they were taken down?

Were they leaked again???
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on June 19, 2008, 10:02 AM
Did anyone get the new leaked tracks before they were taken down?

Were they leaked again???

These are supposedly the final versions, mastered and different from the last leak.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on June 19, 2008, 03:11 PM
They'd better release the album before everybody already has a copy...
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on June 19, 2008, 03:35 PM
Free Dr. Pepper!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on June 24, 2008, 10:50 AM
I was able to get the nine tracks from YouTube videos (songs with a GNR pic) & put the songs on my iPod.

Six of the tracks have been released before, in one form or another:

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Better:  This songs sounds the same from the last leaks.  I've always liked this rocking tune, especially the guitar parts.  The final leak sounds more polished and balanced in sound. 

The Blues:  I really liked the previous leak of this song, but this 'final' version is a bit a different.  Axl's piano carries the first minute of the song compared to the old version with the band coming in about 10 seconds into the song.  The esscence of the song is still there, but a different arrangement. 

Chinese Democracy:  I'd only heard a live track of this song, so I was happy to hear this song polished and 'completed'.  The first 60 seconds of sounds are unnecssary, but the guitar riffs are killer.  This is the GNR rocking song most will like.

I.R.S.:  Another tweak in the arrangement since the last leak.  It seems the guitar riff running thru the other leak was toned down in the 'final' version if not removed completely.  Disappointing, I prefer the older version but I still the song.  Sounds like the most radio friendly song.   However, there is a sweet solo after the second chorus.

Madagascar:  Another song I'd heard but only had live versions of.  I've liked this song ever since it was played at the MTV awards.  It's nice to heard 'final' version although Axl voice sound weaker here than any other song.

There Was A Time:  This was the one song that I've always remembered ever since the first leaks.  It hasn't changed much since the last leaks, but of course sounds better now.  Love the melody and lyrics of this song.

And the three "new" leaks:

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Rhiad and The Bedouins:  Another song I had only heard live.  The final version is another great rocking tune for the purist GNR fans.  Great guitars and drums, while Axl vocals are a little scratchy for a 'completed' song.  The song will stick in your head tho.

Untitled #2 song (possibly 'Message For You'):  No definite word on the name of this song, but it has been reported it is not "This Is Love" or "Sorry".  Sounds like a very personal song for Axl.  Another good song, sort of like a junior version of November Rain and Estranged.  Another slower paced song tho.  The song comes together very well.

If The World (new song):  A catchy melody for sure, and a very interesting song.  This song is very different from the other songs released/leaked so far, from the spanish guitar to the R&B beat.  This song is believed to be inspired by Buckethead's style which really makes for a unique song.  Axl sounds in rare form here.  Great guitar work.

I also got a great version of 'Silkworms' from YouTube but this wasn't reported as one of the songs leaked last week.  I wonder how many songs are on the final list for the album supposedly completed.  Dizzy had said that 'Rhiad' wasn't going to be on the album.  Baz's song with GNR, 'Sorry', has yet to be heard nor has the supposed-epic "This Is Love".  Still, the varying styles of music released so far has gotten my attention, and no one else sounds like Axl.

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on June 26, 2008, 11:31 AM
Well, Axl did sing say he would "get the FBI"

Guns N' Roses Call In FBI to Find Blogger (http://www.mtv.co.uk/channel/mtvuk/news/25062008/427038/guns_n_roses_call_in_fbi)

No evidence that it was AXL or NuGNR, but the media runs with it.  MOst likely it was Geffen/Universal as the final album is reportedly in their possession now.

I'm enjoying the leaks.  I got them from YouTube!  Leave me alone, Axl!!!!   :o
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on July 3, 2008, 02:18 PM
I thought I had asked this already but I sure wish I could get my hands on the tracks somewhere
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on July 3, 2008, 02:20 PM
I sure wish the same thing.

**** you, Axl, and your delicious brand of inaccessible rock and roll, too.

(http://fuseblog.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/axl_4.jpg)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on July 3, 2008, 02:25 PM
I sure wish the same thing.

**** you, Axl, and your delicious brand of inaccessible rock and roll, too.

(http://fuseblog.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/axl_4.jpg)
Just remember that I asked first >:(

(http://hamptonroads.com/files/images/blogs/3721.jpg)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on July 3, 2008, 02:28 PM
As I re-read my post, I realize that it may have come across as though I was saying "**** you" to Scott for asking first.  I wasn't.  I was only saying "**** you" to Axl.

(http://media.canada.com/a373a9c0-95d4-4a46-a780-e930d6c76147/061128-axl.jpg)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on July 3, 2008, 02:35 PM
Oh, I see, yeah **** you Axl

(http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/06/28/Axl_Rose_narrowweb__300x398,0.jpg)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on July 3, 2008, 02:42 PM
**** you Scott.

(http://www.celebritynooz.com/images/peter_billingsley_then.jpg)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on July 9, 2008, 10:55 AM
I'm sure Axl has one for you too:

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/S_A_Longhorn/getfile.jpg)


Seriously, I'm surprised that they were pulled from all the various places.  Even the YouTUbe videos I got my copies from have been removed.  This time I think it is the label pulling them and making a stink.  The album is reportedly out of Axl's hands...finally.

I knew I had to get my copies quick before Axl had to "call the President, got to call a Private Eye, got to get the FBI, got to get the IRS".
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on July 9, 2008, 01:05 PM
Now I feel bad about my "**** You Scott" post.  I was kidding, and hopefully engaging in some playful internet forum banter, then he went all silent because I probably offended him.

So, I am going to kill myself.

(After Chinese Democracy comes out.)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on July 9, 2008, 01:42 PM
**** you, Ryan.

(http://www.dispatch.com/wwwexportcontent/sites/dispatch/images/jul/waywor13_TMD3.jpg_07-06-07_B3_KV75EK4.jpg)

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Post by: Scott on July 9, 2008, 02:23 PM

(http://www.dispatch.com/wwwexportcontent/sites/dispatch/images/jul/waywor13_TMD3.jpg_07-06-07_B3_KV75EK4.jpg)


Ryan

I just saw some of your friends and their bikes had broken down, I pulled over and they started running up to my Jeep anticipating a ride in to town, I then pulled away as fast as I could and yelled out the window "Blame Sprry75, *******!!!!"
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on July 9, 2008, 02:26 PM
**** you, Ryan.

(http://www.dispatch.com/wwwexportcontent/sites/dispatch/images/jul/waywor13_TMD3.jpg_07-06-07_B3_KV75EK4.jpg)



**** you, Force Guy.

(http://image.blog.bitcomet.com/postpic/20080318/1794767_fprkrn080318140108.jpg)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on July 9, 2008, 02:27 PM

(http://www.dispatch.com/wwwexportcontent/sites/dispatch/images/jul/waywor13_TMD3.jpg_07-06-07_B3_KV75EK4.jpg)


Ryan

I just saw some of your friends and their bikes had broken down, I pulled over and they started running up to my Jeep anticipating a ride in to town, I then pulled away as fast as I could and yelled out the window "Blame Sprry75, *******!!!!"

Because this made me leak a little bit of pee into my magic Mormon underwear, I no longer think I am obligated to kill myself for offending you (after Chinese Democracy comes out).
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on July 9, 2008, 03:45 PM

**** you, Force Guy.


SHHHHHHH! only you and Dressel know the truth!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on July 15, 2008, 12:56 PM
So I guess the album we be released in time for the next Guitar Hero, huh?   ;D
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on July 22, 2008, 05:13 PM
Well, more things pointing to the release of CD this year, including the inclusion of a new song "Shackler's Revenge" for the upcoming Rock Band 2 video game.

Confirmations:

Official GNR website release (http://www.gunsnroses.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080714&content_id=a1&vkey=news&fext=.jsp)
YouTube video of the Xbox E3 press conference confirming GNR in Rock Band 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXll-VD0uI0&feature=related)

The game is scheduled to be released in September 2008, not surprisingly since the MTV Video Music Awards are scheduled for September 7th, and RB2 to be released a week later. 


And possibly the scoop of the year: 4 GNR albums coming (http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/scoop-of-the-year-4-guns-n-roses-albums-coming-soon-166200)
YouTube interview that everyone is talking about with RB rep (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIvS9h1ETgk&eurl=http://chinese-democracy.blogspot.com/2008/07/simultaneous-release.html)

Baz had mentioned before that there was 4 albums worth of material that he heard all night.  With Axl spending 10+ years working on the damn thing, it amounts to that many songs.  The guy also hints at MTV working with GNR in regards to the VMAs (which is an oxymoron within itself).

Could this be the "how to release the album" we've heard so much about?  Rumors that "Shackler's Revenge" will be released as a single in the next two months. 

Lot of things pointing towards CD finally arriving.  After all the leaks, I had a feeling there were many more songs never heard of, including "Shackler's Revenge" which no one has ever mentioned as part of CD.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on July 22, 2008, 10:40 PM
so their first single in over seventy-nine years will be called "Shackler's Revenge"??? nice.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Reid on July 22, 2008, 10:51 PM
Well, more things pointing to the release of CD this year, including the inclusion of a new song "Shackler's Revenge" for the upcoming Rock Band 2 video game.

Confirmations:

Official GNR website release (http://www.gunsnroses.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080714&content_id=a1&vkey=news&fext=.jsp)
YouTube video of the Xbox E3 press conference confirming GNR in Rock Band 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXll-VD0uI0&feature=related)

The game is scheduled to be released in September 2008, not surprisingly since the MTV Video Music Awards are scheduled for September 7th, and RB2 to be released a week later. 


And possibly the scoop of the year: 4 GNR albums coming (http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/scoop-of-the-year-4-guns-n-roses-albums-coming-soon-166200)
YouTube interview that everyone is talking about with RB rep (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIvS9h1ETgk&eurl=http://chinese-democracy.blogspot.com/2008/07/simultaneous-release.html)

Baz had mentioned before that there was 4 albums worth of material that he heard all night.  With Axl spending 10+ years working on the damn thing, it amounts to that many songs.  The guy also hints at MTV working with GNR in regards to the VMAs (which is an oxymoron within itself).

Could this be the "how to release the album" we've heard so much about?  Rumors that "Shackler's Revenge" will be released as a single in the next two months. 

Lot of things pointing towards CD finally arriving.  After all the leaks, I had a feeling there were many more songs never heard of, including "Shackler's Revenge" which no one has ever mentioned as part of CD.

Shackler's Revenge? WTF? That sounds more like a Pirates Of The Caribbean movie than a GNR song...
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Darth Broem on July 23, 2008, 12:28 PM
Oh boy.  The legend of the next GNR album continues. 
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on August 17, 2008, 07:39 PM
Shackler's Revenge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe0YqAfDlQ0)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on August 17, 2008, 09:18 PM
Its alright, i prefer the other tracks.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Reid on August 17, 2008, 09:30 PM
Shackler's Revenge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe0YqAfDlQ0)

Meh. Not impressed.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Chris M on August 18, 2008, 08:32 AM
I just want to know why the hell it's taking so long if the record company has the album and when the **** we're going to get it in our hands.  I think all the hype that's surrounding this album may in effect kill the willingness of fringe fans to buy it. This may end up being a case of trying to hype something because it's really not that good.

I haven't listened to all the tracks that have been "made available", but from what I have listened to, I'm not all that stoked or excited about this album. For whatever reason, a lot of the stuff just doesn't have that GnR sound to it...at least in the traditional sense of remembering AFD and how badass that album was, some of the stuff doesn't even compare to the mediocre stuff from the Illusions albums.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on August 18, 2008, 08:51 AM
Word is GnR is negotiating for this album to be released exclusively at one retailer.  They're considering either Walmart of Best Buy.  If it's Walmart, would the album not be allowed to have the parental warning sticker?  I don't know if they ever reversed that policy.

Rest assured we'll see it soon.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Darth Broem on August 20, 2008, 11:44 AM
One retailer?  You have to be f-ing kidding me!  We'll never get the damn album now.  They will negotiate that for another 3 years.  LOL!  Just release the damn thing already. 
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on August 20, 2008, 01:45 PM
I just want to know why the hell it's taking so long if the record company has the album and when the **** we're going to get it in our hands.  I think all the hype that's surrounding this album may in effect kill the willingness of fringe fans to buy it. This may end up being a case of trying to hype something because it's really not that good.

I haven't listened to all the tracks that have been "made available", but from what I have listened to, I'm not all that stoked or excited about this album. For whatever reason, a lot of the stuff just doesn't have that GnR sound to it...at least in the traditional sense of remembering AFD and how badass that album was, some of the stuff doesn't even compare to the mediocre stuff from the Illusions albums.

That's the biggest misconception.  That GNR was built and made by 5 guys living day to day.  Read Slash's book.  It will never happen again, even if the original 5 reunite.

A current day GNR would sound like a mix of VR and this new GNR.  The sound has changed, but we knew that already.  However, Axl & Baz have said that CD "will have something for everybody", so there is still hope for a bluesy-rock track.

The latest leak is called "Chicken Dinner".  The original leaker (MisterSaintLaurent (http://mistersaintlaurent.com./)) says the file was called that.  The June leaker (Skwerl) says that his info says it is 'Shackler's Revenge'.  We'll know for sure in less than a month whn RB2 is released, but most likely sooner.  I don't know who or how MSL got ahold of this track, but he posted at MyGNRForums.com that he leaked it, and he has a lot of creditability over there for stuff.  His website also has a new release date: November 25, 2008. Take it for what it's worth.

This leak is very different from the other in that reportedly this file was ripped from iTunes.  The file is an MP4, not an MP3, and the file contained the following artwork:

(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5791/cdaw2.jpg)

I didn't like it at first, but it is growing on me.  Can't imagine trying to sing, strum, or bang the drums to this song in RB2.  Defintetly harder and crazier than anything else leaked.

Now here is the other strong rumor circulating outside of the GNR websites - the new GNR will perform Sept 7 at the 2008 MTV VMAs.  Anyone see the Britney Spears VMA commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mEGY5nFOuo&feature=related)?  (Who the hell is Russel Brand anyway?)  No explaination as to the elephant in the background, but there is a lot of mention of an elephant sound in 'Chicken Dinner/Shackler's Revnge' at the 2:25 mark.  It could be a very subtle, wierd way to signify GNR's performance. 

Too many things happening this year for the album to NOT be released.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on August 20, 2008, 03:30 PM
Artwork is a very good sign. Very awesome to see soemthing.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on August 25, 2008, 01:31 PM

(http://www.dispatch.com/wwwexportcontent/sites/dispatch/images/jul/waywor13_TMD3.jpg_07-06-07_B3_KV75EK4.jpg)


Ryan

I just saw some of your friends and their bikes had broken down, I pulled over and they started running up to my Jeep anticipating a ride in to town, I then pulled away as fast as I could and yelled out the window "Blame Sprry75, *******!!!!"

Because this made me leak a little bit of pee into my magic Mormon underwear, I no longer think I am obligated to kill myself for offending you (after Chinese Democracy comes out).

So the other day I was out mowing the lawn, wearing the traditional lawn-mowing attire (hat, t-shirt, shorts, flip-flops (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=4853.0)), you know, like you do, and it's extremely hot and muggy outside.  Like 97 degrees or something.  Anyway, I was walking along and who did I run into but the two guys above (or clones of them--but let's face it:  they're all clones, anyway, aren't they?) walking their bicycles down the road.  I thought to myself "aww, ****," as there was no way to avoid talking to these guys.  They say hello, and I say hello, and then one of them says "you're seriously out mowing the lawn on a day like this?"

I say "got to, man" and then, in one of the oddest things I've ever said in my life, I said "you guys are seriously out riding your bikes in those get-ups on a day like this?"  (Yes, I actually used the word "get-ups.")  They laugh and the one guy says "got to, man."  I thought my smart-assed comment had saved me from any Jesus pitch but as I walked away, they offered to help.  (?!)  I said no and continued on walking.

*I realized several minutes after the fact that "the lawn's not gonna mow itself, now, is it?" would have been a better response than "got to, man," but I just wasn't that quick, I guess.  Oh well.

(And I know this is slightly off-topic here, but until Jedi Defender has a Mormon Chat section of it's very own, this'll have to do.)

(Oh, and by the way, **** all y'all.)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: ruiner on August 25, 2008, 01:54 PM
They offered to help with the yard?

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: iFett on August 25, 2008, 02:11 PM
Apparently they're allowed to drive cars now as they were harrassing me from a Geo as I was getting out of my car a few months back.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on August 25, 2008, 02:33 PM
They offered to help with the yard?

Yes they did and I almost wish I would have said yes, so I could have seen exactly how that would have went down.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on August 25, 2008, 02:55 PM
They'd be at your door every week wanting to talk.  My wife accepted a pamphlet from an LDS that came to our door one time - she ended up coming back constantly.  She loaned us a book.  (Actually she loaned it to me saying my wife requested it, which she didn't)  Then she came back to see if we'd read it to our girls.  It was educational, you see.  She'd be bugging us to this day if we hadn't moved to another city.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on August 25, 2008, 03:32 PM
(And I know this is slightly off-topic here, but until Jedi Defender has a Mormon Chat section of it's very own, this'll have to do.)

gee, Matt, is there some other place with a Mormon Chat section of its very own?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on August 25, 2008, 03:46 PM
gee, Matt, is there some other place with a Mormon Chat section of its very own?

Not that I'm personally aware of, but I'm sure there's probably some cult websites set up especially for the Mormons, so they have people to talk to.  I don't think any of these Star Wars nerd boards have anything like that, though.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on August 25, 2008, 03:47 PM
You don't want one, trust me.  Effing Mormons will talk your ears off.

Which reminds me, would any of you be interested in a beautiful message about how families can be together forever?

No?

Um, how about learning about the time that Jesus Christ personally visited the inhabitants of the American continent?

No?  Tough crowd.

How about if I told you that God has called a prophet to speak to us in our day, just as he did to the people in the Bible?

Huh.  I've obviously lost my touch....
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on August 25, 2008, 03:56 PM
you know, Ryan, what i'm REALLY looking for is the assistance of kind, helpful people who will help me track my lineage through some sort of genealogy service, all free of charge and in the comfort of my own home. do you happen to know of any group who routinely participates in such activities?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on August 25, 2008, 03:58 PM
Not that I'm personally aware of, but I'm sure there's probably some cult websites set up especially for the Mormons, so they have people to talk to.  I don't think any of these Star Wars nerd boards have anything like that, though.

yes, i doubt that as well. that would be about the worst.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on August 25, 2008, 04:05 PM
yes, i doubt that as well. that would be about the worst.

Worse than Watto's?  Heh.  I doubt such a thing is even remotely possible.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on August 25, 2008, 04:10 PM
well, i'm just speaking hypothetically, of course.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on August 25, 2008, 05:31 PM
you know, Ryan, what i'm REALLY looking for is the assistance of kind, helpful people who will help me track my lineage through some sort of genealogy service, all free of charge and in the comfort of my own home. do you happen to know of any group who routinely participates in such activities?

WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER! (http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on August 26, 2008, 08:06 PM
nah, i was thinking of something more along the lines of an in-home visit, perhaps by a pair of well-groomed young gentlemen from a far away place who fancy travel by bicycle. any ideas?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on August 26, 2008, 08:42 PM
Oh, dude.

You're so ******.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on August 28, 2008, 02:58 AM
Skwerl, the guy who leaked the nine songs in June, was arrested today.  Supposedly, the authorities raided his home at 7Am and dragged him out of the house.  The judge was surprised at his treatment since he had only issued a summons to 27-year-old Kevin Cogill.

Official statement by GNR: "Guns N' Roses representatives have been made aware of the arrests and are leaving the matter to the authorities," said band spokesman Larry Solters

According to multiple news reports, a blogger suspected of posting songs on the Internet from the forthcoming Guns N' Roses album Chinese Democracy was arrested Wednesday and appeared in court, where his bail was set at $10,000. FBI agents arrested 27-year-old Kevin Cogill on suspicion of violating federal copyright laws by posting nine unreleased Guns N' Roses songs in June. According to an arrest affidavit, Cogill admitted to FBI agents that he leaked the songs.



BLOGGER ARRESTED FOR LEAKING 9 GN'R SONGS (http://web.gunsnroses.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080827&content_id=a1&vkey=news&fext=.jsp)

A lot of fans in the GNR websites are ripping GNR for going to this extreme over Skwerl.  However, some have pointed out that GNR may not be involved at all, instead the infamous RIAA is behind the prosecution.  Maybe the prosecution will have to come up with some concrete evidence that the album really is "forthcoming".  That might be the ONLY way we will ever know the truth.  ::)

MSL, the person who admittely leaked "Shacker's Revenge", is preparing for the same treatment.

Gonna get the President
Gonna get The FBI
Gonna get a Private I
Gonna get the IRS...
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on August 28, 2008, 04:20 AM
This is so ridiculous.  Federal law enforcement has been reduced to the personal SS of corporate media.

C'mon, Axl...get out of your moonship and denounce this ****.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on August 28, 2008, 12:00 PM
Oh, dude.

You're so ******.

nuts.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on September 13, 2008, 05:23 PM
IGN reviews "Shackler's Revenge" (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/909/909661p1.html)

Quote
Forget the GNR you remember from when you were in high school. "Shackler's Revenge" is a brooding, industrial riff with a catchy chorus and only a hint of Axl's classic high-pitched vocals that gets buried at times under heavy distortion. Once you get past the first 30 seconds, "Shackler's Revenge" picks up quite a bit, with one good hook that will keep it bouncing around in your head for at least a couple of weeks.

Everyone wants to know if the new GNR song is any good. I would say that it's an acquired taste, and that the opening half-minute feels a tad self-indulgent. But the song gets better from that point. The more I listen (and play) "Shackler's Revenge" the more it grows on me. Plenty will be turned off by the fact that this doesn't sound at all like classic GNR, but if you want a classic, just go buy Appetite for Destruction. This is the new Guns N' Roses, deal with it or get off the planet.

"Shackler's Revenge" is the second original song "Guns N' Roses" has officially released since the Illusion albums came out in 1991.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on September 17, 2008, 05:00 PM
IGN reviews "Shackler's Revenge" (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/909/909661p1.html)

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Forget the GNR you remember from when you were in high school. "Shackler's Revenge" is a brooding, industrial riff with a catchy chorus and only a hint of Axl's classic high-pitched vocals that gets buried at times under heavy distortion. Once you get past the first 30 seconds, "Shackler's Revenge" picks up quite a bit, with one good hook that will keep it bouncing around in your head for at least a couple of weeks.

Everyone wants to know if the new GNR song is any good. I would say that it's an acquired taste, and that the opening half-minute feels a tad self-indulgent. But the song gets better from that point. The more I listen (and play) "Shackler's Revenge" the more it grows on me. Plenty will be turned off by the fact that this doesn't sound at all like classic GNR, but if you want a classic, just go buy Appetite for Destruction. This is the new Guns N' Roses, deal with it or get off the planet.

"Shackler's Revenge" is the second original song "Guns N' Roses" has officially released since the Illusion albums came out in 1991.

There is another review by IGN that was positive.  But this guy criticizes the song as sounding 10 years old, yet would be a success on today's rock radio.  All the while he complains that it doesn't sound like the original GNR, which is over 20 years old. 

He would make a good politician.

From the YouTube videos I've seen, the song lokos to have a great bass line and a challenging guitar part.  Elephant-noise and all.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on September 26, 2008, 10:17 PM
From the local rag...

Best Buy vying for GNR's "Democracy" (http://www.startribune.com/entertainment/music/29826774.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aU7EaDiaMDCiUT)

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Richfield-based retailer Best Buy may have landed exclusive retail rights on the biggest -- or at least the biggest-budgeted -- rock album of the year: Guns N' Roses' perennially delayed, decade-in-the-making "Chinese Democracy."

Billboard magazine reports that Best Buy is finalizing a deal to have the record in its stores by the end of 2008. The deal would be a sharp counter-punch to its competitor Wal-Mart, which has the exclusive retail rights on AC/DC's "Black Ice" (out Oct. 20) and was the lone seller of last year's Eagles reunion album, "Long Road Out of Eden." The Eagles' savvy manager, Irving Azoff, is GNR's new ringleader.

"Chinese Democracy" is already one of the most talked-about albums of all time. Front man Axl Rose began working on it in the mid-'90s and has gone through several lineup changes, numerous release dates and millions of dollars trying to finish it.

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on September 28, 2008, 07:29 PM
It's finally gonna happen this year!  We really mean it this time!  And we promise that it's gonna sound just as fresh and be just as cutting edge today, as it was when it was originally recorded twelve years ago!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on September 29, 2008, 09:48 AM
Novemeber 25th is not too far off. I really hope this happens.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on October 10, 2008, 05:03 PM
now it's the Sunday before Thanksgiving... maybe? (http://www.thegauntlet.com/article/172/14098/Guns-N-Roses.html)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on October 10, 2008, 07:18 PM
Nov. 23rd it is. I can't wait.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on October 11, 2008, 03:14 PM
Nov. 23rd it is. I can't wait.

apparently you can, for something like nineteen years.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Reid on October 14, 2008, 07:53 PM
I guess I should be expecting my free Dr. Pepper sometime soon now?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on October 15, 2008, 04:15 PM
Chinese Democracy at BestBuy.com (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&id=pcat17071&type=page&st=Chinese+Democracy&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=15&sp=&qp=&list=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960)

Three different covers (one pictured), CD and vinyl?  Wow.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on October 15, 2008, 05:26 PM
Cover art showing up on the Best Buy site:

(http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/en_US/images/musicmoviegame/pdpimages/9111016.gif)

Chinese Democracy (Cover A) (Bb) - CD (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9111016&st=chinese+democracy&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1925065)

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Extract from a review of the 2002 Hong Kong show.

Before he played the second one, he told a little anecdote why the new album is called "Chinese Democracy". He said it was because he saw a photo taken in Hong Kong, which he's using as the new album cover. And then he showed it on the video screens, and it was a black and white picture of a bicycle with a basket, and in the wall behind it, someone had grafittied "guns n roses"!!! He said "I didn't paint that myself, so one of you ************* out there must have did it!"

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on October 15, 2008, 05:35 PM
Put me down for one of each.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on October 15, 2008, 05:41 PM
One of each, meaning CD and vinyl?  Or all three covers?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on October 15, 2008, 06:16 PM
What a let down.  The one constant that I thought I could count on for the rest of my life was savoring the anticipation for Chinese Democracy's release.  **** you, Axl.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on October 15, 2008, 09:39 PM
One of each, meaning CD and vinyl?  Or all three covers?

All 3 covers and the vinyl
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on October 15, 2008, 10:32 PM
Wow.  Just the one vinyl or all three vinyl covers?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on October 15, 2008, 10:50 PM
Looks like the third covers for both the CD and vinyl versions have now been removed from BB's site.

They are listing some other new GN'R products, though.  The five old albums are listed with "SHM" (whatever that means) with a $39.99 price tag and a December 3 release date.  No idea what those are.

There's also a Limited Edition version of Appetite (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp;jsessionid=TXQJ0FMYWRPTVKC4D3NVAGA?type=product&id=1923106) for $22.99 and with a November 19 release date.  I've wanted a remastered Appetite with bonus tracks for years--if that's what this is, it's very intriguing.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Jeff on October 15, 2008, 11:20 PM
The five old albums are listed with "SHM" (whatever that means)

SHM-CD = Super High Material CD (uses a special polycarbonate plastic to make the disc)

I know it's a big premium format in Japan, so maybe they are import discs of some sort? 
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on October 16, 2008, 06:56 AM
Wow.  Just the one vinyl or all three vinyl covers?

Probably all 3. I have all the other albums on vinyl framed on my walls so i don't see this being any different.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on October 16, 2008, 05:28 PM
Track listing revealed. I hope they changed the name of The Blues or it is a hidden track because its a great song.

1. Chinese Democracy
2. Scraped
3. Shackler's Revenge
4. Street Of Dreams
5. If The World
6. Better
7. This I Love
8. There Was A Time
9. Riad N' The Bedovins
10. Sorry
11. I.R.S.
12. Catcher
13. Madagascar
14. Prostitute
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on October 17, 2008, 10:27 AM
Track listing revealed. I hope they changed the name of The Blues or it is a hidden track because its a great song.

1. Chinese Democracy
2. Scraped
3. Shackler's Revenge
4. Street Of Dreams
5. If The World
6. Better
7. This I Love
8. There Was A Time
9. Riad N' The Bedovins
10. Sorry
11. I.R.S.
12. Catcher
13. Madagascar
14. Prostitute

Part of the lyrics in "The Blues" does include 'street of dreams', so it is most likely the same song.  All 9 leaked tracks in June are on this list, with most thinking the Untitiled #2 Song is called 'Prostitute'. 

'Scraped' has another name, but is completely new.  Rumors that is could be Silkworms or Checkmate.  'This I Love' is supposed to be the epic song long discussed, but no one has ever heard publically.  'Sorry' is a songs that features Sebastian Bach on vocals - he metioned with was an angry, bitter song.  'Catcher' will probably be 'Catcher In The Rye', a long-time favorite of the leaked tracks, but only one bad demo version has ever been heard.

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on October 17, 2008, 10:42 AM
Awesome.  And released the day before my birthday.   ;D
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on October 21, 2008, 09:19 PM
From Blabbermouth

A 50-second audio sample of the new GUNS N' ROSES single is available for streaming below. It can also be found at 93rock.com (scroll down).

"Chinese Democracy", the title track of the group's long-delayed new album, is set to impact at radio tomorrow (Wednesday, October 22). The track will be available to download by U.S. radio outlets at 5 a.m. ET Wednesday morning. The 50-second snippet was released today as a teaser via Digital Media Distribution System (DMDS), which allows record labels to send music and promotional materials directly to radio stations securely and cost effectively.

BestBuy.com will exclusively carry "Chinese Democracy" in the U.S. starting on November 23. A pre-order page for the long-delayed release was posted at the site on Wednesday (October 15), although the pre-order option was later taken off. The page lists 14 song titles for the record, 11 of which have either been played live or leaked online over the past few years. The Pulse of Radio reports that one of those, "Street of Dreams", was previously known as "The Blues", while three titles, "Scraped", "Sorry" and "Prostitute", have not been heard anywhere.

There has still not been an official announcement regarding the November 23 arrival date for the record.


EDIT--------------------------

So i heard the song a couple of times already this morning on a few different stations. It was exciting to hear it actually on the radio.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on October 22, 2008, 02:41 PM
The 11/23/08 date is finally up on The Axl Rose Band's homepage:

http://web.gunsnroses.com/splash.jsp

Also, Best Buy and Geffen issued a joint press release:

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Press release from Best Buy/Geffen:

MINNEAPOLIS, October 22, 2008 – Best Buy and Geffen Records announced that one of the most highly anticipated albums of all time, Guns N’ Roses’ Chinese Democracy, will be available beginning Nov. 23 at Best Buy and BestBuy.com on CD, vinyl, and digital downloads. The title track, the first single from the album, was released to radio today, October 22. Chinese Democracy is the first album of new material from one of rock’s most influential bands since the 1991 simultaneous releases of Use Your Illusion I and Use Your Illusion II.

“The release of Chinese Democracy marks a historic moment in rock n’ roll,” said co-managers Irving Azoff and Andy Gould. “We’re launching with a monumental campaign developed by Gary Arnold and the Best Buy team that matches the groundbreaking sound of the album itself. Guns N’ Roses fans have every reason to celebrate, for this is only the beginning.”

“Chinese Democracy is one of the most highly anticipated albums in music history, and Best Buy is thrilled to deliver this explosive and previously elusive release to Guns N’ Roses fans. Longtime fans will be rewarded for their patience and loyalty to this great band, while a new generation of fans will be blown away,” said Gary Arnold, Senior Entertainment Officer for Best Buy. “Axl Rose is one of the most dynamic and gifted writers and performers in modern music. Best Buy is excited to work with Axl to make the release of Chinese Democracy THE musical event of 2008!”

“Guns N’ Roses is THE premier American rock band,” commented Steve Berman, President, Sales and Marketing, Interscope Geffen A&M Records. “Partnering with Gary and everyone at Best Buy to release one of rock’s most anticipated and legendary albums is truly a moment in music history. We’re thrilled to be able to announce that Chinese Democracy is coming, it’s coming this year, and it’s coming to Best Buy.”

Produced by Axl Rose and Caram Costanzo, the album, which will be released on Black Frog/Geffen Records, includes 14 tracks. “Shackler’s Revenge” debuted September 14 through the Rock Band 2 videogame and “If The World” can be heard in the film Body Of Lies, which premiered on October 11.

Chinese Democracy is being released in three formats: CD, Vinyl LP (with a free digital download of the tracks), and as a digital album. Pre-orders at www.BestBuy.com/chinesedemocracy begin today.

All of the alternate covers are now gone from BB's pre-order page.  Just the one CD, and one vinyl.

"Street of Dreams", was previously known as "The Blues"

Thank God they changed it.  Decent song, I guess, but a horrible, horrible title.  Initially.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on October 27, 2008, 02:02 PM
Here's a better look at the cover:

(http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/6388/2ad1f463c12e44d08d081e6mv5.jpg)

Better get used to this cover, because you'll be seeing it all over the place at the used CD shops come December.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Reid on October 27, 2008, 02:44 PM
Strangely, I like it.

Better get used to this cover, because you'll be seeing it all over the place at the used CD shops come December.

I take it you won't be buying the album?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on October 27, 2008, 02:54 PM
I take it you won't be buying the album?

You better take it again, then, because I've said all along that I'll be buying the album on Day One.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on October 27, 2008, 03:12 PM
Anybody seen the alternate covers yet?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on October 28, 2008, 12:19 AM
Better get used to this cover, because you'll be seeing it all over the place at the used CD shops come December.

it'll look great next to all of these:

(http://home.swipnet.se/~w-52838/SPAGUNS.jpg)

no record store is worth its salt without at least twelve of these in the used section.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Reid on October 28, 2008, 06:39 PM
I thought The Spaghetti Incident? was a great album. I actually liked their version of Hair Of The Dog better than the original.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on November 10, 2008, 08:22 AM
while you were waiting... (http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/nov/08/guns-n-roses-chinese-democracy)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Reid on November 10, 2008, 07:08 PM
Just FYI, the album is available for pre-order on iTunes, and the first single is available for download.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on November 11, 2008, 11:18 PM
4 Stars from Rolling Stone (http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album/24024297/review/24161281/chinese_democracy)

I guess at least one person will like it
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on November 11, 2008, 11:21 PM
One word: Payola
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Rob on November 11, 2008, 11:43 PM
Here's a better look at the cover:

(http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/6388/2ad1f463c12e44d08d081e6mv5.jpg)

Better get used to this cover, because you'll be seeing it all over the place at the used CD shops come December.

I'm disappointed that they only managed to work the band name into the cover a mere 3 times.
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Post by: iFett on November 12, 2008, 11:45 PM
Sorry for still living in the 80's, but what's the name of the new GNR song making radio rotation?  Oddly enough I thought it was Smashing Pumpkins in the beginning the first few times I heard it.   :-\

Great song though!
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Post by: evenflow on November 13, 2008, 10:25 AM
Its the title track, Chinese Democracy
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Post by: Ben on November 15, 2008, 02:23 AM
The Rolling Stone review of 'Chinese Democracy' (http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album/24024297/review/24161281/chinese_democracy)
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Post by: Scott on November 15, 2008, 06:35 PM
One word:payola
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Post by: Sprry75 on November 15, 2008, 06:41 PM
Deja ******* vu.
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Post by: Sprry75 on November 16, 2008, 11:31 AM
Steven Adler still dances with Mr. Brownstone. (http://omg.yahoo.com/news/ex-guns-n-roses-drummer-seeks-rehab-and-his-old-job/15454)
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Post by: Rob on November 17, 2008, 11:57 AM
Finally heard the whole CD today.

If the World (Would End Today) is my favorite song - EVER.





I don't mean that.  This album is everything we thought it would be - and I mean that in a very bad way.
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Post by: BillCable on November 17, 2008, 12:38 PM
Claim your Dr. Pepper (http://newsroom.mtv.com/2008/10/22/guns-n-roses-bring-a-free-dr-pepper-to-all-americans-heres-how-to-get-yours/)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Rob on November 17, 2008, 01:12 PM
Yeah, all you have to do is sign up on their list and get shitloads of Dr. Pepper advertising sent to you for all of eternity.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on November 17, 2008, 10:00 PM
Just got back from the listening party in the city. It is without a doubt the best album of the year. I loved all but one track. I hated that one track though. I also got a free t-shirt and my Dr. Pepper coupon already.  ;D
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Post by: Matt on November 19, 2008, 02:16 PM
Chuck Klosterman reviews Chinese Democracy (http://www.avclub.com/content/feature/chuck_klosterman_reviews?utm_source=avclub_rss_daily)

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By Chuck Klosterman
November 19th, 2008

Guest reviewer Chuck Klosterman is the author of five books, including Fargo Rock City: A Heavy Metal Odyssey In Rural North Dakota and the new novel Downtown Owl. There is no one in the world more qualified to review the exhaustingly anticipated new Guns N' Roses album than he is.

Reviewing Chinese Democracy is not like reviewing music. It's more like reviewing a unicorn. Should I primarily be blown away that it exists at all? Am I supposed to compare it to conventional horses? To a rhinoceros? Does its pre-existing mythology impact its actual value, or must it be examined inside a cultural vacuum, as if this creature is no more (or less) special than the remainder of the animal kingdom? I've been thinking about this record for 15 years; during that span, I've thought about this record more than I've thought about China, and maybe as much as I've thought about the principles of democracy. This is a little like when that grizzly bear finally ate Timothy Treadwell: Intellectually, he always knew it was coming. He had to. His very existence was built around that conclusion. But you still can't psychologically prepare for the bear who eats you alive, particularly if the bear wears cornrows.

Here are the simple things about Chinese Democracy: Three of the songs are astonishing. Four or five others are very good. The vocals are brilliantly recorded, and the guitar playing is (generally) more interesting than the guitar playing on the Use Your Illusion albums. Axl Rose made some curious (and absolutely unnecessary) decisions throughout the assembly of this project, but that works to his advantage as often as it detracts from the larger experience. So: Chinese Democracy is good. Under any halfway normal circumstance, I would give it an A.

But nothing about these circumstances is normal.

For one thing, Chinese Democracy is (pretty much) the last Old Media album we'll ever contemplate in this context—it's the last album that will be marketed as a collection of autonomous-but-connected songs, the last album that will be absorbed as a static manifestation of who the band supposedly is, and the last album that will matter more as a physical object than as an Internet sound file. This is the end of that. But the more meaningful reason Chinese Democracy is abnormal is because of a) the motives of its maker, and b) how those motives embargoed what the definitive product eventually became. The explanation as to why Chinese Democracy took so long to complete is not simply because Axl Rose is an insecure perfectionist; it's because Axl Rose self-identifies as a serious, unnatural artist. He can't stop himself from anticipating every possible reaction and interpretation of his work. I suspect he cares less about the degree to which people like his music, and more about how it is taken, regardless of the listener's ultimate judgment. This is why he was so paralyzed by the construction of Chinese Democracy—he can't write or record anything without obsessing over how it will be received, both by a) the people who think he's an unadulterated genius, and b) the people who think he's little more than a richer, red-haired Stephen Pearcy. All of those disparate opinions have identical value to him. So I will take Chinese Democracy as seriously as Axl Rose would hope, and that makes it significantly less simple. At this juncture in history, rocking is not enough.

The weirdest (yet more predictable) aspect of Chinese Democracy is the way 60 percent of the lyrics seem to actively comment on the process of making the album itself. The rest of the vocal material tends to suggest some kind of abstract regret over an undefined romantic relationship punctuated by betrayal, but that might just be the way all hard-rock songs seem when the singer plays a lot of piano and only uses pronouns. The craziest track, "Sorry," resembles spooky Pink Floyd and is probably directed toward former GNR drummer Steven Adler, although I suppose it might be about Slash or Stephanie Seymour or David Geffen. It could even be about Jon Pareles, for all I ******* know—Axl's enemy list is pretty Nixonian at this point. The most uplifting songs are "Street Of Dreams" (a leaked song previously titled "The Blues") and the exceptionally satisfying "Catcher In The Rye" (a softer, more sophisticated re-working of "Yesterdays" that occupies a conceptual self-awareness in the vein of Elton John or mid-period Queen). The fragile ballad "This I Love" is sad, melodramatic, and pleasurably traditional. There are many moments where it's impossible to tell who Axl is talking to, so it feels like he's talking to himself (and inevitably about himself). There's not much cogent storytelling, but it's linear and compelling. The best description of the overall literary quality of the lyrics would probably be "effectively narcissistic."

As for the music—well, that's actually much better than anticipated. It doesn't sound dated or faux-industrial, and the guitar shredding that made the final version (which I'm assuming is still predominantly Buckethead) is alien and perverse. A song like "Shackler's Revenge" is initially average, until you get to the solo—then it becomes the sonic equivalent of a Russian robot wrestling a reticulating python. Whenever people lament the dissolution of the original Guns N' Roses, the person they always focus on is Slash, and that makes sense. (His unrushed blues metal was the group's musical vortex.) But it's actually better that Slash is not on this album. What's cool about Chinese Democracy is that it truly does sound like a new enterprise, and I can't imagine that being the case if Slash were dictating the sonic feel of every riff. The GNR members Rose misses more are Izzy Stradlin (who effortlessly wrote or co-wrote many of the band's most memorable tunes) and Duff McKagan, the underappreciated bassist who made Appetite For Destruction so devastating. Because McKagan worked in numerous Seattle-based bands before joining Guns N' Roses, he became the de facto arranger for many of those pre-Appetite tracks, and his philosophy was always to take the path of least resistance. He pushed the songs in whatever direction felt most organic. But Rose is the complete opposite. He takes the path of most resistance. Sometimes it seems like Axl believes every single Guns N' Roses song needs to employ every single thing that Guns N' Roses has the capacity to do—there needs to be a soft part, a hard part, a falsetto stretch, some piano plinking, some R&B bull****, a little Judas Priest, subhuman sound effects, a few Robert Plant yowls, dolphin squeaks, wind, overt sentimentality, and a caustic modernization of the blues. When he's able to temporarily balance those qualities (which happens on the title track and on "I.R.S.," the album's two strongest rock cuts), it's sprawling and entertaining and profoundly impressive. The soaring vocals crush everything. But sometimes Chinese Democracy suffers from the same inescapable problem that paralyzed proto-epics like "Estranged" and "November Rain": It's as if Axl is desperately trying to get some unmakeable dream song from inside his skull onto the CD, and the result is an overstuffed maelstrom that makes all the punk dolts scoff. His ambition is noble, yet wildly unrealistic. It's like if Jeff Lynne tried to make Out Of The Blue sound more like Fun House, except with jazz drumming and a girl singer from Motown.

Throughout Chinese Democracy, the most compelling question is never, "What was Axl doing here?" but "What did Axl think he was doing here?" The tune "If The World" sounds like it should be the theme to a Roger Moore-era James Bond movie, all the way down to the title. On "Scraped," there's a vocal bridge that sounds strikingly similar to a vocal bridge from the 1990 Extreme song "Get The Funk Out." On the aforementioned "Sorry," Rose suddenly sings an otherwise innocuous line ("But I don't want to do it") in some bizarre, quasi-Transylvanian accent, and I cannot begin to speculate as to why. I mean, one has to assume Axl thought about all of these individual choices a minimum of a thousand times over the past 15 years. Somewhere in Los Angles, there's gotta be 400 hours of DAT tape with nothing on it except multiple versions of the "Sorry" vocal. So why is this the one we finally hear? What finally made him decide, "You know, I've weighed all my options and all their potential consequences, and I'm going with the Mexican vampire accent. This is the vision I will embrace. But only on that one line! The rest of it will just be sung like a non-dead human." Often, I don't even care if his choices work or if they fail. I just want to know what Rose hoped they would do.

On "Madagascar," he samples MLK (possible restitution for "One In A Million"?) and (for the second time in his career) the movie Cool Hand Luke. Considering that the only people who will care about Rose's preoccupation with Cool Hand Luke are those already obsessed with his iconography, the doomed messianic message of that film must deeply (and predictably) resonate with his very being. But how does that contribute to "Madagascar," a meteorological metaphor about all those unnamed people who wanted to stop him from making Chinese Democracy in the insane manner he saw fit? Sometimes listening to this album feels like watching the final five minutes of the Sopranos finale. There's no acceptable answer to these types of hypotheticals.

Still, I find myself impressed by how close Chinese Democracy comes to fulfilling the absurdly impossible expectation it self-generated, and I not-so-secretly wish this had actually been a triple album. I've maintained a decent living by making easy jokes about Axl Rose for the past 10 years, but what's the final truth? The final truth is this: He makes the best songs. They sound the way I want songs to sound. A few of them seem idiotic at the beginning, but I love the way they end. Axl Rose put so much time and effort into proving that he was super-talented that the rest of humanity forgot he always had been. And that will hurt him. This record may tank commercially. Some people will slaughter Chinese Democracy, and for all the reasons you expect. But he did a good thing here.

Grade: A-
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Post by: Matt on November 19, 2008, 02:32 PM
Couple other things:

The CD CD is $11.99 at Best Buy next week.

Also, GN'R tribute band Mr. Brownstone (http://www.mrbrownstone.info/) will appear on The Late Show with David Letterman this evening.
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Post by: Rob on November 19, 2008, 03:31 PM
I've been listening to it off and on for the last 3 days at work, and so far I think it's about 85% ****.
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Post by: Ryan on November 19, 2008, 06:30 PM
I heard the title track on the radio today... I made it through about a minute and then switched the station.
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Post by: Scott on November 19, 2008, 11:07 PM
I just cannot believe this is actually happening.  Most of what I have heard is decent and I'm sure I'll at least enjoy it a little.  It is just mind boggling to me that I used to search usenet groups on my college VAX system for information about the next album.  That was 1993...I was 18, so much has come and gone in the world and my life...it is almost surreal that this weekend I will go to Best Buy and plunk down some moolah for it and it will be a lot of good memories of high school and college and my friends I had back then and all that jazz.  That's all I'm looking for, no more, no less :)
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Post by: S_A_Longhorn on November 20, 2008, 05:22 PM
The whole album is streaming on the GNR MySpace page.

So you like 15%, ROB?  I'm a die-hard GNR/Axl fan, so I love the whole album.  Some songs rank higher than others.  Still can't fully embrace the industrail rock songs completely, then again I've never been a NIN fan either.  ALthought Robin Finck has impressed me with his playing, which I prefer compared to Buckethead or Bumblefoot.  Not saying he is better that either of them, just prefer his Slash-like style.

The industrial rock songs (Shackler's Revenge, Chinese Democracy, & Rhiad & The Bedouins) are great songs, but I wish they weren't put the industrial blender.  The more pure rock songs like Better & I.R.S., I've enjoyed those for years, and glad to have the final versions.

The majority of the songs are ballads, but they are still ringing in my head.  My favorite leak/song still has to be Catcher In The Rye.  The melody and Lennon/Chapman/book lyrics are very memorable.  The new songs like If The World, This I Love& Sorry are all very unique and sound nothing like anything GNR has ever done.  And I think that is a good thing.  All have killer guitar solos.

Looking forward to picking up my CD this weekend.  And my free Dr Pepper!
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Post by: Rob on November 20, 2008, 11:11 PM
It just doesn't sound like GNR to me.  His voice sounds shot on half of the tracks... it doesn't have the bluesy sound that they used to have... the energy is really low, the songs are boring to me.  It comes off as weak and uninspired to me and I'm really surprised that so many of you guys like it and that the review Matt posted was so complimentary.

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on November 21, 2008, 04:50 AM
It just doesn't sound like GNR to me.

. . .'cause it ain't.

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I'm really surprised that so many of you guys like it and that the review Matt posted was so complimentary.

You might like this one a little better:

The New York Times reviews Chinese Democracy (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/arts/music/23pare.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&hp)

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How Axl Rose Spent All That Time

By JON PARELES
Published: November 20, 2008

“ALL I’ve got is precious time,” W. Axl Rose sings in the title song of Guns N’ Roses’ new album, and he must be well aware of how that line sounds now. Mr. Rose, 46, the only remaining original member of Guns N’ Roses, needed 17 years, more than $13 million (as of 2005) and a battalion of musicians, producers and advisers to deliver “Chinese Democracy,” the first album of new Guns N’ Roses songs since 1991. It’s being released on Sunday, with CDs sold exclusively at Best Buy. (In another 21st-century fillip the album’s best song, “Shackler’s Revenge,” appeared first in a video game, Rock Band 2.)

“Chinese Democracy” (Geffen) is the Titanic of rock albums: the ship, not the movie, although like the film it’s a monumental studio production. It’s outsize, lavish, obsessive, technologically advanced and, all too clearly, the end of an era. It’s also a shipwreck, capsized by pretensions and top-heavy production. In its 14 songs there are glimpses of heartfelt ferocity and despair, along with bursts of remarkable musicianship. But they are overwhelmed by countless layers of studio diddling and a tone of curdled self-pity. The album concludes with five bombastic power ballads in a row.

“Chinese Democracy” sounds like a loud last gasp from the reign of the indulged pop star: the kind of musician whose blockbuster early success could once assure loyal audiences, bountiful royalties, escalating ambitions and dangerously open-ended deadlines. The leaner, leakier 21st-century recording business is far less likely to nurture such erratic perfectionists. (Mr. Rose did manage to outpace Kevin Shields of My Bloody Valentine, which re-emerged on tour this year but hasn’t yet released a successor to its 1991 masterpiece, “Loveless.”) The new rock paradigm, a throwback to the 1950s and early 1960s, is to record faster, more cheaply and more often, then head out on tour before the next YouTube sensation distracts potential fans.

“Chinese Democracy” is such an old-school event that at this point no album could easily live up to the pent-up anticipation and fascination. Over the last two decades Guns N’ Roses’ 1987 debut album, “Appetite for Destruction,” has sold 18 million copies in the United States alone. The original band, particularly the guitar team of Slash on lead and Izzy Stradlin on rhythm, collaborated to forge a scrappy combination of glam, punk and metal behind Mr. Rose’s proudly abrasive voice, which could leap from a baritone growl to a fierce screech. Singing about sex, drugs, booze and stardom, Mr. Rose was a rags-to-MTV success story for the 1980s: a self-described abused child from heartland America who got himself out of Indiana and reinvented himself as a full-fledged Hollywood rock star, charismatic and volatile, never pretending to be controllable.

Amid tours, band members’ addictions and liaisons with models, Guns N’ Roses went on to make an EP and the multimillion-selling albums “Use Your Illusion” I and II, which were released simultaneously in 1991. Those were followed by a desultory collection of punk-rock remakes, “The Spaghetti Incident?,” in 1993, before the band splintered and left Mr. Rose as the owner of the Guns N’ Roses brand. Clearly it would be a very different band, but there was little doubt that Mr. Rose had more to say.

He has been announcing the impending completion of “Chinese Democracy” since at least 1999 and has been singing many of its songs on tour since 2001. Concert bootlegs and unfinished studio versions circulating online have defused some of the surprise from the finished album. Yet meanwhile, year after year, Mr. Rose worked on and reworked the songs. The album credits list 14 studios.

For years Mr. Rose has been tagged the Howard Hughes of rock, as his manager at the time was already complaining in 2001. That didn’t have to be a bad thing; estrangement and obsession have spawned great songs. But “Chinese Democracy,” though it’s a remarkable artifact of excess, is a letdown. Mr. Rose’s version of Guns N’ Roses, with sidemen he can fire rather than partners, leaves his worst impulses unchecked.

Guns N’ Roses is still collaborative; the songs on “Chinese Democracy” are credited to Mr. Rose along with many of the musicians who have passed through the band since the mid-1990s. The guitarists Buckethead and Robin Finck, the bassist Tommy Stinson and the drummers Josh Freese and Brain pushed Mr. Rose toward rock, others toward ballads. By way of comparison with the old Guns N’ Roses, Mr. Rose’s latter-day songwriting tilts more toward the pomp of “November Rain” than the thrust of “Welcome to the Jungle” or the pealing guitar lines of “Sweet Child o’ Mine.” The one song on “Chinese Democracy” written by Mr. Rose alone, “This I Love,” is by far the album’s most maudlin track, and he hams it up further with a vibrato vocal homage to Queen’s Freddie Mercury.

Like the old Guns N’ Roses albums “Chinese Democracy” whipsaws between arrogance and pain, moans and sneers. The present-day Mr. Rose presents himself as someone beleaguered on every front, a cornered character with nothing to lose. He’s tormented by inner demons and, from outside, by antagonists, lovers and users who constantly betray and exploit him. “Forgive them that tear down my soul,” he croaks in “Madagascar,” amid French horns playing a dirge. (The middle of that song inexplicably gives way to a collage of movie dialogue and speeches by the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.)

All the labors of Mr. Rose and his various lineups, both inspired and overblown, come through the finished album. Mr. Rose and his co-producer, Caram Costanzo, just keep piling up the sounds. String orchestra? Toy piano plinks? Voices muttering in foreign languages? Harp? Drum machines? Choirs? “I Have a Dream”? They’re all there, along with indefatigable drums and phalanxes of guitars.

“Chinese Democracy” reveals multiple archaeological layers, including what might have been passing fascinations as the 1990s and early 2000s rolled by: the Metallica of “Enter Sandman” in the surly, self-righteous “Sorry”; the distortion effects of Nine Inch Nails in “Shackler’s Revenge”; U2’s sustained guitars and martial beat to begin “Prostitute”; a combination of Elton John piano and strings (arranged by Mr. John’s longtime associate Paul Buckmaster) with Smashing Pumpkins guitar crescendos in “Street of Dreams.”

Some of the album’s best moments are its intros. Flaunting what time and money can accomplish, there are gratuitous ear grabbers like an a cappella vocal chorale in “Scraped,” a siren matched by a siren swoop of Mr. Rose’s voice in “Chinese Democracy” and the narrow-band, filtered beginning of “Better.” That track goes on to hurtle across so much of what Guns N’ Roses does well — from steel-clawed hard-rock riffs to metallic reggae-rock to arena-anthem melodies — that it almost makes up for the whininess and lazy “-tion” rhymes of the underlying song. “If the World” opens with acoustic guitar lines suggesting a Middle Eastern oud but segues into wah-wah rhythm guitar and sustained strings fit for a blaxploitation soundtrack, while Mr. Rose unleashes something like a soul falsetto.

Is it demented? Sometimes. Does Mr. Rose care? Apparently not. “I am crazy!” he belts over the frantic guitar and tom-toms of “Riad N’ the Bedouins,” while he’s a potentially trigger-happy maniac in “Shackler’s Revenge.” In “Scraped” he’s alternately depressive and manic, warning “Don’t you try to stop us now” over a riff fit for Led Zeppelin. “Catcher in the Rye” echoes the Beatles in its melody while it alludes to Mark David Chapman, who was carrying that book when he killed John Lennon: “If I thought that I was crazy/Well I guess I’d have more fun,” he sings.

Even when he’s presumably being himself, Mr. Rose is forever overwrought. He pushes his multiply overdubbed voice every which way — rasping, sobbing, cackling, yowling — while at the same time Mr. Finck, Buckethead and Ron (Bumblefoot) Thal are playing frantic guitar solos, with a mandate to wail higher and zoom faster.

The craziness on “Chinese Democracy” isn’t the wild, brawling arrogance that the young Mr. Rose and his rowdy ’80s band mates gave the fledgling Guns N’ Roses. It’s the maniacal attention to detail that’s possible in the era of Pro Tools: the infinitude of tiny tweaks available for every instant of a track, the chance to reshape every sound and reshuffle every setting, to test every guitar solo ever played on a song — or all of them at once — and then throw on a string arrangement for good measure. That microscopic focus is obvious throughout “Chinese Democracy”; every note sounds honed, polished, aimed — and then crammed into a song that’s already brimming with other virtuosity. At points where the mix goes truly haywire, like the end of “Catcher in the Rye,” a Meat Loaf song title sums things up: “Everything Louder Than Everything Else.”

It’s easy to imagine Mr. Rose determined to outdo his own brazen youth and his old band, but with less perspective and hundreds of new tracks as each year goes by. If Guns N’ Roses had released “Chinese Democracy” in 2000, it would still have been an event, but it might also have been treated as the transitional album in a band’s continuing career. By holding it back and tinkering with it for so long, Mr. Rose has pressured himself to make it epochal — especially if, on this timetable, the next Guns N’ Roses studio album doesn’t arrive until 2025. And fans were waiting for him to defy the world again, not to do another digital edit. Sometime during the years of work, theatricality and razzle-dazzle replaced heart.

As Mr. Rose bemoans the love that ended or vows to face life uncompromised and on his own, the music on “Chinese Democracy” swells and crashes all around him, frantic and nearly devoid of breathing space. It’s hard to envision him as the songs do, that besieged antihero alone against the world, when he’s sharing his bunker with a cast of thousands.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on November 21, 2008, 10:16 AM
It just doesn't sound like GNR to me.  His voice sounds shot on half of the tracks... it doesn't have the bluesy sound that they used to have... the energy is really low, the songs are boring to me.  It comes off as weak and uninspired to me and I'm really surprised that so many of you guys like it and that the review Matt posted was so complimentary.



That's just it - and the reason why Slash and Axl are not together. 

If you want the bluesy-rock album, the go get Slash's Snakepit's "It's Five O'Clock Somewhere".  Slash doesn't claim it was the next GNR album, but Axl does.  Matt, Gilby and Slash wrote those songs together, without Axl or Duff (b/c they didn't want to go in that direction at the time).  For as great as Slash is, and I'm a huge fan of his, his sound has always remained the same.  Duff later came around to play on VR, which is toned version of what GNR used to play and an extension of Snakepit.  I liked it, but never thought it was anything GNR would release had they stayed together.  Axl had to replace all of them to continue what he wanted to do, and then members left for various reasons (Tobias, Buckethead, Freese). 

I would also love another AfD album, but there are people who are saying this album sounds dated.  Metallica's recent album was fantastic, IMO, but there are still a large portion out there that says they are "trying to sound hard".  You can't please everyone I guess.

The majority of the reviews (Rolling Stone, Spin, etc) have been complimentary.  All comment on the time it took to make the album, and the number of power ballads.  It's an extension of the Illusion albums while also being something different and new.  Axl told Rolling Stone in 2006 that it would have some songs everyone would like. 
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Post by: Carpeteria3000 on November 21, 2008, 10:48 AM
"We may never know if Chinese Democracy is the record Axl Rose set out to make in 1994 – before the first of eight guitarists passed through his revolving door – or just an attempt to draw a line under the whole saga and move on." (http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/cd_reviews/article5197256.ece)

Somehow the latter seems a bit more plausible....
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Post by: Matt on November 21, 2008, 11:42 AM
On the aforementioned "Sorry," Rose suddenly sings an otherwise innocuous line ("But I don't want to do it") in some bizarre, quasi-Transylvanian accent, and I cannot begin to speculate as to why. I mean, one has to assume Axl thought about all of these individual choices a minimum of a thousand times over the past 15 years. Somewhere in Los Angles, there's gotta be 400 hours of DAT tape with nothing on it except multiple versions of the "Sorry" vocal. So why is this the one we finally hear? What finally made him decide, "You know, I've weighed all my options and all their potential consequences, and I'm going with the Mexican vampire accent. This is the vision I will embrace. But only on that one line! The rest of it will just be sung like a non-dead human."

I must have listened to this one line at least ten or twelve times last night on MySpace.  ******* hilarious awesome.  Easily the highlight of the entire record for me.  Hopefully Axl goes with the Mexican vampire voice a lot more with the next album, which is currently due out in 2031.

there are people who are saying this album sounds dated.

With several of the songs originally written and recorded during the second Clinton administration, yeah, that's not too surprising.
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Post by: S_A_Longhorn on November 21, 2008, 12:14 PM
Well, there is a strong rumor that the new GNR will perform this Sunday at the AMAs:

Is Guns’N’Roses Going to make a Surprise Appearance at the American Music Awards this Sunday? (http://www.examiner.com/x-526-Pop-Culture-Examiner~y2008m11d20-Is-GunsNRoses-Going-to-make-a-Surprise-Appearance-at-the-American-Music-Awards-this-Sunday)

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According to one well placed music industry Deep Throat, there is a very good chance you’ll see GNR onstage at the American Music Awards this Sunday on ABC

 
“Axl wants to be the conquering hero,” says the source who has worked closely with some of the biggest acts in the world including Guns’N’Roses. “The timing of the show on the night he brings out his masterpiece is too good for him to pass up. He knows it’s a good way to get in front of old and new fans in one swoop.”

In a heavyweight line up of Christina Aguilera, the reunited New Kids on the Block (both of whom are managed by Irving Azoff), Beyonce, Coldplay, the Jonas Brothers, Alicia Keys and Kanye West, among others, Guns’N’Roses would still emerge as the champion.

 
The band is likely to be introduced by Aerosmith’s Steven Tyler and Joe Perry.

I seriously doubt it will happen.  As an ole GNR fan, whenever something makes sense, it usually doesn't happen.

But if they do, maybe we'll know who is actually in the band.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: darth punkinhed on November 21, 2008, 01:42 PM
I remember when appetite came out. I was hooked, had to see them play live. I bought tickets to see David Lee Roth because they were supposed to open and they canceled. At least Steve Vai playing that show made up for it. I bought tickets to an Iron Maiden show (would have anyway) and they canceled then too. At least Megadeth filled that void. Then finally they showed up at an outdoor Metallica show. Axel came out on stage, sang 1 song and then spent the next 15 minutes doing his primadonna act because someone in the crowd had a camera he demanded be handed over or he wasn't singing another line. I waited for their follow up and when Lies came out I was a bit put off by it. Complete 180. I haven't cared for anything they've done since. I agree on Slash's Snakepit, it wasn't GNR but it was better than what Axel was putting out IMO. Appetite is one of the few albums I can listen to from beginning to end but everything else they've done just isn't that appealing to me. I've heard one song from the new album and while I think it's better than most of the non appetite stuff it's still not that great.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on November 21, 2008, 05:49 PM
Copied from over on RS:

DON'T FORGET ABOUT THE FREE DR. PEPPER THIS SUNDAY!



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"We never thought this day would come," Tony Jacobs, Dr Pepper's vice president of marketing, said in a statement. "But now that it's here, all we can say is: The Dr Pepper's on us."

Beginning Sunday at 12:01 a.m., coupons for a free 20-ounce soda will be available for 24 hours on Dr Pepper's Web site. They'll be honored until Feb. 28.

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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on November 21, 2008, 09:39 PM
I got my album in the mail today from my Best Buy preorder  :o  ;D

This I Love is just an incredible track.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Ben on November 23, 2008, 03:01 AM
Get your free Dr. Pepper (http://www.drpepper.com/freeDrPepper/?icamp=hp_dpfree_coupon)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on November 23, 2008, 10:34 AM
I have to say, I like it.  Definitely more Illusion than Appetite, and some of the solos sound like they're trying a bit too hard to replicate an inimitable Slash, but overall I like it a lot.  Not a miracle groundbreaker, but a pretty good Axl record, which alone makes it better than 90% of what's out there.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Reid on November 23, 2008, 04:50 PM
Picked up my copy of Chinese Democracy at Best Buy earlier today. I agree with the more Illusion than Destruction sentiments, and overall, I like it.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Rob on November 23, 2008, 10:12 PM
You might like this one a little better:

The New York Times reviews Chinese Democracy (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/arts/music/23pare.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&hp)

Well, I'm not looking for bad reviews or what not... I'm just confused by the praise.  I just don't understand what you guys see in this album.


I think you guys are getting Episode I Syndrome.  You've been waiting for this for so long that you're looking at the album with your Axl Rose colored glasses on.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on November 23, 2008, 10:43 PM
Or maybe people have different taste in music than you?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Jim on November 23, 2008, 10:58 PM
I will speak up and feel free to crucify me.  The man wasted almost 2 decades of his life and those fanatical fans out there.  I would of been perfectly fine if this was an Axl Rose solo album but GNR it is not.  The guy obviously has issues and needs to seek treatment from not one but a panel of shrinks. 
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Rob on November 23, 2008, 11:33 PM
Or maybe people have different taste in music than you?

Yeah, that'd be the obvious answer if I wasn't a huge Guns n Roses fan too.  Everyone who comes into this thread at least has some level of similarity when it comes to musical tastes given that it's a single place for people who like one band in particular.

I don't pretend that everyone needs to have the same tastes and that people who love the old stuff should universally like or dislike the new CD, but it's really really bad.  It just doesn't hold up, at all IMO.  I'm just a little surprised that so many people here are liking it given that I don't even think it's comes close to the old stuff.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on November 24, 2008, 08:04 AM
I haven't picked it up yet, but I think it's a mistake to try to measure it against the old stuff.  The old stuff has 20 years of baggage, and was the definitive music of our youth.  Nothing anybody could write could ever compare to that.  I think you need to compare it to other stuff coming out now.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on November 24, 2008, 08:12 AM

I think you guys are getting Episode I Syndrome.  You've been waiting for this for so long that you're looking at the album with your Axl Rose colored glasses on.

I view this album as Axl's vision. I never expected it to sound like Appetite because that was never really Axl. This what i always expected, its a mix a Axl's vision with a Queen / Elton John influence. I think the ballads are beautiful. I have been listening to it non-stop and even the 2 tracks i wasn't crazy about have grown on me. I think that it was worth the long wait and has lived up to it. It is for me, the album of the year. I can only hope he releases the rest of the tracks he has.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: iFett on November 24, 2008, 10:16 AM
stoopid question - is this a BB exclusive disc?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Rob on November 24, 2008, 10:28 AM
I haven't picked it up yet, but I think it's a mistake to try to measure it against the old stuff.  The old stuff has 20 years of baggage, and was the definitive music of our youth.  Nothing anybody could write could ever compare to that.  I think you need to compare it to other stuff coming out now.

I'd be much more willing to do that if Axl hadn't insisted on calling it a Guns n' Roses album. 
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on November 24, 2008, 10:34 AM
Well, that's your hang-up.  I don't think Axl had any choice but to call it GnR, with the contractual obligations he had.  Not that I think he'd have changed it if he was free to... but still.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on November 24, 2008, 11:14 AM
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The twist: the coupon will expire on February 28.

According to WalletPop.com, Dr Pepper's web site had a hard time keeping up with demand for a soda yesterday, with may fans receivng a "loading" message on the main page when trying to access the site.

"We never thought this day would come," said Tony Jacobs, vice president of marketing for Dr Pepper. "But now that it's here, all we can say is: The Dr Pepper's on us."
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on November 24, 2008, 11:16 AM
To me...I prefer the Gn'R of UYI over the Appetite Gn'R...and the Gn'R of UYI is way way more Axl influenced than Appetite...these songs are extensions and cousins of songs like November Rain, Don't Cry, Estranged, Locomotive, Coma, Civil War and Breakdown...all some of my favorite songs.  

I like it, I really do...sorry Rob
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on November 24, 2008, 12:38 PM
Axl Rose colored glasses

That was good. I like that.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on November 24, 2008, 12:46 PM
Yeah, it may be all about what GnR you like.  The UYI albums are where I hopped on board; I'd dismissed Appetite as just more of the Cinderella/Poison hair metal crap that I hated.  Of course I went back and now love it, but I always liked the UYI sound.

That's the magic of GnR, I think--that tension between Axl's proggy punky rock and Slash's classic rock and blues.  They were two great tastes that went great together.  As Axl exerted more and more influence and creative control, the other members' contributions became more and more marginalized and you got UYI.  Chinese Democracy, obviously, is all Axl, so the Slash/Izzy element of the old band is gone.  Which is unfortunate, but the Axl stuff is still okay if you're into it.  And I am.  Like I said, I'm not blown away by its brilliance or anything, but I like it.  If I had to guess, I'd say I'll listen to Chinese Democracy more than I will either of the Velvet Revolver (The Revolvers?  Is that what we're calling them?) albums (even though I like those too).
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Rob on November 24, 2008, 01:35 PM
Well, that's your hang-up.  I don't think Axl had any choice but to call it GnR, with the contractual obligations he had.  Not that I think he'd have changed it if he was free to... but still.

My hang up is that I don't think this album is anywhere near as good as anything else Guns n' Roses ever did and that it's obvious that Axl was only one part of the equation that worked.

But I really liked the new Indiana Jones movie and a lot of you guys hated it, so I do understand where everyone is coming from.  I just think that this is one of those things where a lot of you guys want it to be good so much that you're convincing yourselves that it is. 
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: ruiner on November 24, 2008, 01:50 PM
I still can't believe you, of all people, enjoyed the Crystal Skull.

 :-*
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Chris M on November 24, 2008, 02:45 PM
Some people have already echoes some of my sentiments, but I'll go ahead and post my thoughts (copy and pasted from another message board) on this album.

I've listened to a few songs and I'm mixed. I did like the Chinese Democracy single. But I'm a huge fan of the original GnR, not the watered down version of Axl and his revolving door band. I just can't get past the fact that Slash is not he guitarist and that just kills it for me. I know it shouldn't but it does. GnR with all the changes just isn't GnR anymore. This just doesn't have the GnR feel to me...it's got some good music, don't get me wrong. I think though a number of people (me included) are trying to compare this album to previous GnR albums and maybe we shouldn't. The band is different and we are 15+ years after the last true GnR albums. Maybe it would be better to compare CD to the other current rock/metal albums out right now.

BTW, if you want a really good read on one perspective of what happened to GnR, read "Slash". Obviously it's Slash's insight into his life and what ended up happening to the band after UYI came out and how they fell apart.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on November 24, 2008, 03:34 PM
I still can't believe you, of all people, enjoyed the Crystal Skull.

 :-*

Yeah... talk about disqualifying one's opinion...
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on November 24, 2008, 06:26 PM
I've listened to a few songs and I'm mixed. I did like the Chinese Democracy single. But I'm a huge fan of the original GnR, not the watered down version of Axl and his revolving door band. I just can't get past the fact that Slash is not he guitarist and that just kills it for me. I know it shouldn't but it does. GnR with all the changes just isn't GnR anymore. This just doesn't have the GnR feel to me...it's got some good music, don't get me wrong. I think though a number of people (me included) are trying to compare this album to previous GnR albums and maybe we shouldn't. The band is different and we are 15+ years after the last true GnR albums. Maybe it would be better to compare CD to the other current rock/metal albums out right now.

BTW, if you want a really good read on one perspective of what happened to GnR, read "Slash". Obviously it's Slash's insight into his life and what ended up happening to the band after UYI came out and how they fell apart.

Sorry, ROB, but I know if I like music when I am constantly choosing to hear it.

I've listened to songs like Better, IRS, There Was A Time, The Blues/Street Of Dream, & Catcher in the Rye for the past couple of years.  Not b/c I "thought" it was good, but b/c I liked it.  The final album is only half new to me, and while I love the classic blues-rock sound of AfD, that was a completely different band playing and writing those songs.  Those were 5 kids living day-to-day, and their music reflected that.  If you really want that, then look for the next starving rock band, b/c that will never again be Axl, Slash, Duff, or Izzy. 

This new sound is still great for me.  First, it starts with Axl.  I am a fan of his voice and vocals.  No one else sounds like him.  And while I am big fan of Slash and his music, I can still hear Slash in these songs.  Honestly, what has Slash done since leaving GNR?  Played for anyone that has paid him?  When you compare all the GNR-related albums by Duff, Matt, Steven, Izzy, Gilby, and Slash, this GNR-Axl record is far better IMO.  If Axl wants to call it GNR, so be it.  No one was ever fired - they all quit.  And you see what they've done.

Axl's music is still better and to me, what defined GNR.  My biggest problem with this curent GNR is the fact that Axl is STILL IN HIDING and the band is in limbo.  No Buckethead?  A freak to be sure, but a guitar player that could rival SLash in mastery.  No Finck?  He was my favorite new member of the band and somone who had been with axl for over 10 years.  No Brain?  No Freese?  Hard to really get excited about the "band" when you don't know who is in the "band".  Unless Axl comes out of his Malibu house, this GNR album (despite how great it is) will be better known as "Axl & Friends" since so many people worked on it, but never supported it as one band.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Rob on November 24, 2008, 07:31 PM
I still can't believe you, of all people, enjoyed the Crystal Skull.

 :-*

Yeah... talk about disqualifying one's opinion...

Yeah, talk about me pointing that out as evidence of how people can like things they've been waiting a long time for even if they're obviously flawed.

Do you even like the CD?  Or do you just like to argue the opposite of whatever I think?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on November 24, 2008, 08:49 PM
Like I said earlier, haven't picked it up yet.  I was hoping to get it as a birthday present, but it didn't happen (at least not yet).
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: ruiner on November 25, 2008, 04:19 AM
I'm through track five so far - it's what I expected.  Nothing great but decent.  I've always liked Better and I'm guessing it will remain my favorite track after I've listened to the entire album.

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Darth Broem on November 25, 2008, 04:34 AM
Well I finally listened to all of the songs.  Yeah, it is definately more like UYI.  I liked some of the songs and was indifferent to most of it.  The only problem I have with it this.  There is not one song on it that really excites me.  On all the other GNR albums there at least 4 that really get me excited.  Well except for the Spaghetti Incident, but that is a cover album anyway.  On this one there really are not any that truly grabbed my attention and kept it.  I did not listen to anything that made me say "Oh yeah!!!  I gotta hear that over and over again!!!"  But I only got through it one time so maybe something will over time?  Again I thought some songs sounded decent and Axl helps.   I will listen to them again at some point.  I am just not terribly excited to do so. 

Oh, and I actually liked KOTCS except for a few obvious things like the monkey swing.  I do get tired of the whole "It's not as good as the original" crying that goes along with every new move a franchise makes anymore.  It's really going to go to another level with the new Star Trek movie next year.  But that is another thread. 
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: S_A_Longhorn on November 25, 2008, 04:40 AM
GNR #1 on iTunes in 21 countries (http://www.apple.com/euro/itunes/charts/top10rockalbums.html)

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on November 28, 2008, 02:23 PM
Two dudes named Phil and Jake review Chinese Democracy over IM (http://www.gloriousnoise.com/reviews/2008/guns_n_roses_chinese_democracy.php#more)

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[13:47] Phil: Chinese Democracy streaming: http://web.gunsnroses.com/splash.jsp
[13:47] Jake: you listening?
[13:47] Phil: yep
[13:47] Jake: you just start?
[13:48] Phil: oh wait...it's clips
[13:48] Phil: dummies
[13:48] Jake: boo
[13:48] Phil: Checking their myspace page now
[13:48] Phil: appears to be streaming there
[13:49] Jake: link?
[13:49] Phil: http://www.myspace.com/gunsnroses
[13:49] Phil: ready?
[13:49] Jake: ready
[13:49] Phil: go!
[13:49] Jake: ok

1. chinese democracy

[13:50] Phil: Creepy bird noises and jungle sounds or something
[13:50] Jake: sirens?
[13:50] Phil: Axl in Apocalypse Now
[13:50] Phil: Brando with hair weaves
[13:50] Phil: uh oh!
[13:51] Phil: bitchin' guitar tone
[13:51] Jake: rifftastic!
[13:51] Jake: perfect scream
[13:51] Jake: i like the double tracked vocals: low voice and screamy voice all quiet in the back
[13:52] Phil: yeah
[13:52] Phil: someone's been listening to Marilyn Manson's first album
[13:52] Phil: Of course, this may have been recorded at the same time
[13:52] Jake: you think it sounds dated?
[13:52] Phil: yeah
[13:53] Phil: 1996
[13:53] Phil: maybe 1998
[13:53] Phil: late 90s, just the same
[13:53] Phil: but I dig that weird solo
[13:53] Jake: those riffs are fat, though, and warm.
[13:54] Jake: i mean, it's slick, and busy as hell, but cool.
[13:54] Jake: waaaaaaaaaaaay over the top!
[13:54] Phil: saying something sounds "dated" to me isn't necessarily a bad thing, by the way
[13:54] Jake: "you're out of time" BOOM! explosion!
[13:54] Phil: BOOM!
[13:54] Jake: subtle.
[13:54] Phil: Axl's ego just exploded!

2. shackler's revenge

[13:54] Phil: More Manson
[13:55] Phil: Is it Halloween again?
[13:55] Jake: oooh! weird electronic blips.
[13:55] Phil: This is a very digital album so far
[13:55] Phil: I see why all the comparisons to NIN et al.
[13:55] Jake: this sounds silly to me.
[13:55] Phil: It is silly
[13:55] Jake: way too "processed" sounding
[13:56] Phil: It's a first-person shooter soundtrack
[13:56] Jake: inhuman
[13:56] Jake: a chorus of 50 axls! produced by mutt lange?
[13:56] Phil: ugh
[13:56] Jake: "i don't believe there's a reason" either, dude.
[13:57] Phil: a reason for this song
[13:57] Phil: I like the ho ha background vocals
[13:57] Phil: Axl loves the jungle, baby
[13:58] Jake: yeah. ooga booga.
[13:58] Phil: I expect Mighty Joe Young to jump out

3. better

[13:58] Phil: misnomer
[13:58] Jake: (not any) better
[13:58] Phil: well, now it sounds like 1992 GNR
[13:59] Jake: why's he talking about his heart?
[13:59] Phil: this is like some weird journey through the last 16 years or whatever
[13:59] Jake: yeah, it's great to hear him sing "craz-zay"
[13:59] Jake: but those noodling guitars are f-ing goofy
[14:00] Jake: woodly woodly woodly
[14:00] Jake: and that falsetto chorus is kinda wimpy.
[14:00] Phil: weeeeeooooo weeeeeooooo
[14:00] Phil: Call me Buckethead
[14:00] Jake: call you nels cline!
[14:01] Phil: oh ****, maybe Nels is on this album. A cast of thousands, after all...
[14:01] Jake: "i never wanted you to be so full of anger"
[14:01] Jake: who's he talking to?
[14:01] Phil: then stop screaming in my ear, dude
[14:01] Jake: ha!
[14:01] Phil: if these dopes weren't so angry Axl would be broke
[14:02] Phil: uh oh, Glen Frey solo
[14:02] Jake: totally. the heat is ON!
[14:03] Jake: axl's lyrics kinda remind me of mike tyson speaking
[14:03] Phil: big words that don't connect

4. street of dreams

[14:03] Jake: uh oh! ballad!
[14:03] Jake: every rose has its thorn!
[14:03] Jake: WHAT?
[14:03] Jake: what's that voice?
[14:04] Phil: Grover
[14:04] Jake: it's like grover doing a duet with axl
[14:04] Phil: Axl should replace his band with Muppets
[14:04] Phil: I would go see that
[14:04] Jake: every other verse: grover then axl
[14:04] Phil: I wouldn't know who was who
[14:04] Jake: this is so bouncy
[14:04] Jake: AXL ON BROADWAY!
[14:04] Phil: Axl is pretty much a Muppet, right?
[14:04] Jake: "that's not stardust on my feet" wtf?
[14:04] Phil: Maybe McCartney co-wrote this with him
[14:05] Phil: like "Say Say Say"
[14:05] Jake: animal on drums. that ludes lady on bass.
[14:05] Jake: this is terrible
[14:05] Phil: It's about how Muppets and humans have a lot more in common than we realize
[14:05] Jake: the cheese factor makes november rain sound subtle.
[14:06] Phil: Man, this is awful
[14:06] Phil: "What I thought was beautiful don't live inside of you anymore..."
[14:07] Phil: Thanks, Stacey
[14:07] Jake: seriously. blast this into afghanistan and osama will come out with his hands up
[14:07] Phil: "I give up, seriously. Just turn it off"
[14:07] Phil: Oh my God, that hollering at the end
[14:08] Jake: thank god it's over

5. if the world

[14:08] Phil: ooooh, speaking of Osama
[14:08] Jake: world music!
[14:08] Jake: funky!
[14:08] Phil: WXRT presents Axl Rose and Kaloof Mahoobie at the Old Town School of Folk Music
[14:08] Jake: sounds like a paul's boutique sample
[14:09] Jake: dumb lyrics again.
[14:09] Phil: dude, blaze that hookah!
[14:09] Phil: but fill it with Camel Lights
[14:09] Jake: this is interesting musically though
[14:09] Phil: sort of
[14:09] Jake: definitely something different...
[14:09] Phil: I wouldn't listen to this again...ever
[14:10] Jake: this reminds me of those paul's boutique sample sources. so many of them seem like they oughtta be awesome, but it turns out the dust brothers sampled the best eight bars... and the rest doesn't hold up.
[14:11] Phil: Hence, the genius of sampling
[14:11] Phil: haters can go eat it
[14:11] Jake: i'm kinda liking this one.
[14:11] Phil: how about now?
[14:11] Jake: i like that guitar solo.
[14:11] Phil: digging that Glen Frey again?
[14:11] Jake: come on.
[14:12] Phil: Guitar Center is paging that dude right now
[14:12] Jake: not the coolest tone, but the playing at least sounds like a human.
[14:12] Jake: slash might've played that solo -- it just would've sounded tougher. less chorus, or whatever.
[14:12] Phil: Nothing on this album sounds human
[14:12] Jake: i like the spanish acoustic solo too.
[14:12] Phil: even that is inhuman
[14:12] Jake: ha

6. there was a time

[14:13] Jake: hey, i've got to click an ad
[14:13] Jake: do you?
[14:13] Jake: wtf?
[14:13] Phil: this is like an exercise in soulless music
[14:13] Jake: did you click the ad?
[14:13] Phil: ******* Murdoch
[14:13] Phil: back on now
[14:14] Jake: me too
[14:14] Phil: thanks for interrupting me, *******
[14:14] Jake: more jungle soundtrack drums
[14:14] Phil: big tone
[14:14] Jake: i'm frankly getting bored with this album already
[14:14] Phil: more weird jungle guys hoofing in the background
[14:14] Phil: yes...boring is apt
[14:15] Phil: not awful, just boring
[14:15] Phil: why would I care about this album?
[14:15] Phil: why would anyone?
[14:15] Jake: because it took forever
[14:15] Jake: and we never thought we'd see it
[14:15] Jake: like santa
[14:15] Phil: Axl should get more efficient and simply score Xbox games
[14:16] Jake: this is total videogame music
[14:16] Phil: this is dull without the ability to shoot hookers in GTA
[14:16] Phil: I like THIS solo
[14:16] Jake: "lonely teardrops"??? really?
[14:16] Phil: or I did up until now
[14:16] Phil: he's Smokey Robinson!
[14:17] Phil: My teardrops are the life of the party
[14:17] Phil: never lonely
[14:18] Jake: ... yawn
[14:19] Phil: I'm sorry, did you say something? I was sleeping with my lonely tears
[14:20] Phil: I like the kids chorus at the very end
[14:20] Jake: good heavens. END ALREADY!

7. catcher in the rye

[14:21] Phil: it takes balls to write a song named after the most notorious book of the 20th Century
[14:22] Jake: yes
[14:22] Phil: but Axl's never lacked audacity
[14:22] Jake: hardly!
[14:22] Jake: have you seen the video for november rain?
[14:22] Phil: God, will we see another round of videos from this clown?
[14:22] Jake: i hope so.
[14:23] Jake: what's a few more million dollars?
[14:23] Phil: I can't believe this is called "Catcher in the Rye"
[14:24] Phil: I'm embarrassed for him now
[14:24] Phil: he really is stunted
[14:24] Jake: i really can't even come up with anything to say about this.
[14:25] Phil: Did you watch The Office this week?
[14:25] Phil: I can't wait for Obama to take office
[14:25] Phil: *is this over yet?
[14:26] Jake: you think hillary is going to take the sec of state?
[14:26] Phil: She should be in charge of keeping Axl out of a recording studio for the next eight years
[14:27] Jake: wow.
[14:27] Jake: that blew.

8. scraped

[14:27] Phil: like going to the dentist
[14:27] Phil: how appropriate
[14:27] Jake: oh that's kind of cool.
[14:27] Jake: ayyy ohhh!
[14:27] Phil: Oompa Loompas!
[14:28] Jake: this could get a bar crowd pumped
[14:28] Phil: Like at 2:15 when bouncers start beating the **** out of people in the alley?
[14:28] Jake: totally
[14:28] Phil: this does sound more like classic GNR
[14:28] Phil: best song so far
[14:29] Phil: probably recorded in 1988
[14:29] Phil: Oompa Loompas added in 2003
[14:29] Jake: yes
[14:29] Jake: that's a badass riff
[14:29] Phil: and a nice solo
[14:29] Phil: I like
[14:29] Phil: again, best track so far
[14:30] Phil: this really sounds like an Appetite outtake
[14:30] Phil: remastered
[14:30] Jake: yeah. it's badass.

9. sorry

[14:30] Phil: You should be, Axl
[14:31] Jake: please don't be a ballad
[14:31] Jake: oh NO!
[14:31] Phil: Babyface???
[14:31] Phil: WTF!?!?!?!
[14:31] Phil: "Don't want to do it"
[14:31] Phil: did you hear that?
[14:31] Jake: i did.
[14:31] Phil: oh man
[14:31] Jake: "what were you thinking?"
[14:32] Phil: I am laughing out loud now
[14:32] Phil: This is the guy who wrote "Paradise City"?
[14:32] Jake: no, that was izzy.
[14:33] Phil: At least Axl is sorry for us
[14:33] Jake: this is unbelievaburgable.
[14:34] Phil: I want congress to appoint a commission to see that this never happens again
[14:34] Jake: "i'll kick your ass like i said that i would"
[14:34] Jake: really?
[14:34] Phil: When was this? After Tommy Hilfiger kicked YOUR ass?
[14:35] Jake: it's getting better as it goes on.
[14:36] Jake: i can imagine stoned teenager really FEELING this.
[14:36] Phil: Dude, there are FIVE more songs
[14:36] Jake: oy.

10. riad n' the bedouins

[14:37] Jake: **** another ad
[14:37] Jake: you say go this time.
[14:37] Phil: you going?
[14:37] Phil: ok wait
[14:37] Phil: go!
[14:37] Jake: ok
[14:38] Phil: Please don't go political, Axl
[14:38] Phil: not you too
[14:38] Phil: so far ok...
[14:38] Jake: world politics are a metaphor for what's going on in his head
[14:38] Phil: I like that hollering
[14:38] Jake: i like it too
[14:39] Jake: seriously, any time axl says "crazy" he's got me.
[14:39] Phil: I don't get the Mario Brothers guitar bits that pop in and out of this album
[14:39] Phil: what is that???
[14:39] Jake: i like that though.
[14:39] Phil: you would
[14:39] Phil: go play Zelda, weirdo
[14:40] Phil: there it is again!
[14:40] Jake: what was the name of that game i used to play?
[14:40] Jake: at tom's?
[14:40] Jake: world of warcraft?
[14:40] Phil: You Don't Know Jack?
[14:40] Jake: ha
[14:40] Phil: I don't recall
[14:40] Jake: with the orks and whatnot.
[14:40] Jake: you'd build towns that would manufacture stuff
[14:41] Jake: and then you'd go kick your neighbor's villages
[14:41] Phil: "Ahhhhh sweet salvation!"
[14:41] Jake: nah, did he really just say that?
[14:41] Phil: yeah
[14:41] Jake: i missed it. thinking about warcraft.
[14:41] Phil: and now his modem can't connect, I think
[14:41] Phil: again, something from like 1995
[14:41] Jake: i like this jam.
[14:41] Jake: good one.

i.r.s.

[14:42] Phil: Fender Rhodes
[14:42] Phil: guitar face
[14:42] Phil: why do I expect him to shout out "Tear down the wall!"
[14:43] Jake: i'm bored again.
[14:43] Phil: so disjointed
[14:43] Phil: "Gonna call myself a private eye"
[14:44] Phil: please do, and see if you can track down the band you were in back in 1988
[14:44] Phil: First clue: Saul Hudson
[14:44] Jake: seriously though: what took so long?
[14:44] Jake: it's not like this is some mozart **** or something
[14:45] Phil: um, no
[14:45] Jake: it's just a bunch of dumb rock songs
[14:45] Phil: And this is what made the cut!
[14:45] Jake: with 30-50 guitar parts
[14:45] Jake: on each song
[14:45] Phil: it takes a long time to line up 50 Oompa Loompas for back-up vocals
[14:45] Jake: i'd love to see the take numbers.
[14:46] Jake: "i.r.s. (take 582)"
[14:46] Phil: Does he realize the Beatles recorded 10 albums plus their early solo records in that time?

12. madagascar

[14:46] Jake: big brass intro.
[14:46] Phil: Call in the Russians!
[14:46] Phil: I am a sucker for that ****
[14:46] Jake: electric drums
[14:47] Jake: another f-ing ballad?
[14:47] Phil: Axl is a softy
[14:48] Jake: what is this goofy formula where they start out slow and quiet and then build up all huge and ridiculous?
[14:48] Jake: who is he? queen?
[14:48] Phil: he wishes
[14:48] Phil: Freddy Mercury is still writing better songs than this
[14:48] Jake: good one!
[14:48] Jake: they also recorded about 20 albums in the time it took him to do 2.
[14:49] Phil: Sampling!
[14:49] Jake: mlk?
[14:49] Jake: how dare he?
[14:49] Phil: Now that actually sounds cool!
[14:49] Phil: making up for "One in a Million"
[14:49] Jake: who's talking to mlk?
[14:50] Jake: is this axl's version of hip hop?
[14:50] Phil: This sounds like Thrill Kill Kult
[14:50] Jake: yeah. but better.
[14:50] Jake: thicker.
[14:50] Jake: makes me wanna do drugs.
[14:50] Phil: not better than Daisy Chain for Satan
[14:51] Jake: no, nothing's better than daisy chain for satan.
[14:51] Phil: nothing
[14:51] Jake: oops, and now it's lame again.
[14:51] Jake: it was cool there for a minute in the breakdown.
[14:51] Phil: yes, do a whole album of that!
[14:51] Phil: epic!

13. this i love

[14:52] Phil: oh ****
[14:52] Jake: this, i do not.
[14:52] Phil: oh hell no
[14:52] Phil: Please, let it die
[14:53] Phil: I think Axl is taking himself very seriously as a singer. Like opera or something
[14:53] Jake: wanna fast forward?
[14:53] Phil: no, we're professionals
[14:53] Jake: i don't think i can take this
[14:53] Phil: we owe it to the readers
[14:53] Jake: ok. gulp.
[14:53] Jake: f-ing readers!
[14:53] Phil: but this is horse****
[14:53] Phil: I hope people appreciate what we're doing
[14:54] Phil: they should have a parade for us
[14:54] Jake: this makes me want to kick a dog.
[14:54] Phil: I think your dogs would disintegrate at the mere sound of this album
[14:55] Jake: definitely. they would run in circles until they wore out their little legs.
[14:55] Phil: Remember CC Deville from Poison?
[14:55] Phil: I owe him an apology
[14:55] Jake: how come?
[14:55] Phil: these are clearly the worst solos on record
[14:55] Phil: not his
[14:56] Jake: dude, that's harsh.
[14:56] Phil: well...
[14:56] Phil: I don't hear an argument
[14:56] Jake: have you heard the "every rose" solo lately?
[14:56] Phil: yes, I have
[14:56] Phil: too recently, in fact
[14:56] Jake: it's retarded. and you know i don't use that word loosely.
[14:56] Phil: at least that had a decent song surrounding it (which may make the solo more agregious)
[14:56] Phil: egregious
[14:56] Jake: thank GOD -- only one song after this.
[14:56] Jake: this is f-ing painful.
[14:57] Jake: someone needs to takle axl's piano away from him
[14:57] Jake: or cut off his hands maybe

14. prostitute

[16:24] Phil: More spooky noises...and then some dopey cliche "Seemed like forever and a day"
[16:24] Jake: it creeps me out when axl tries to sound gentle
[16:24] Jake: "if my intentions are misunderstood, please be kind..."
[16:24] Phil: like when your abusive step-dad tries to talk sports with you
[16:24] Phil: "how was school today, kid-o?"
[16:25] Jake: this is lite rock. the strings?
[16:25] Phil: WLHT
[16:26] Jake: weren't there better songs recorded over the last 16 years?
[16:26] Phil: apparently not
[16:26] Phil: or Axl is saving them for the box set
[16:26] Jake: ha.
[16:26] Jake: there'll be a 2-disc deluxe version released in three months
[16:27] Jake: i just noticed on the myspace page:
[16:27] Jake: band members: Axl Rose, Tommy Stinson, Dizzy Reed, Bumblefoot, Chris Pitman, Richard Fortus, Frank Ferrer
[16:27] Phil: currently
[16:27] Jake: tommy's been on the payroll longer than anybody now, hasn't he?
[16:28] Phil: not a bad gig, eh?
[16:28] Jake: i guess dizzy reed has been around since use your illusion
[16:29] Phil: oh, yeah
[16:29] Phil: He must have some dirt on Axl
[16:29] Jake: can you believe this album goes out with such a whimper?
[16:29] Jake: wimpy strings
[16:29] Phil: the end of this song sounds like the end of E.T.
[16:29] Jake: beeeeee goooooood
[16:29] Jake: axl, be better!
[16:30] Phil: that's the end of our review, right there
[16:30] Jake: done.
[16:30] Phil: whew
[16:30] Phil: that wasn't easy
[16:30] Jake: heavens to murgatroyd, no.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: ruiner on November 28, 2008, 10:21 PM
I'm through track five so far - it's what I expected.  Nothing great but decent.  I've always liked Better and I'm guessing it will remain my favorite track after I've listened to the entire album.


After listening to the entire album, I have to disagree with Rob...with regards to Crystal Skull.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Reid on November 28, 2008, 10:49 PM
After listening to the album for the past few days, I'd have to say this was decent. That's all I can call it, decent. It wasn't a complete failure, but it probably could've been (excuse the pun) better. It feels a bit too long, with too many ballads. I think cutting 4-5 of the ballads and having this be a nice, lean, 9-10 song album would've benefitted it greatly. My favorite tracks would proably have to be the title track, Shackler's Revenge, Better, There Was A Time, and Riad N' The Bedouins. I must say, Sorry is good for the comedic value. Gotta love the Mexican vampire accent.

Good job, Axl.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Rob on December 1, 2008, 05:53 PM
 Axl Rose Accuses Dr Pepper of Malpractice (http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b70871_axl_rose_accuses_dr_pepper_of.html?sid=rss_topstories&utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on December 1, 2008, 09:06 PM
Any word on how well the album sold?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on December 1, 2008, 09:11 PM
Axl Rose Accuses Dr Pepper of Malpractice (http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b70871_axl_rose_accuses_dr_pepper_of.html?sid=rss_topstories&utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories)

**** yeah!
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Reid on December 1, 2008, 09:19 PM
Axl Rose Accuses Dr Pepper of Malpractice (http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b70871_axl_rose_accuses_dr_pepper_of.html?sid=rss_topstories&utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories)

That was great. You just can't make this **** up.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Reid on December 15, 2008, 05:03 PM
Heh. I just got my free Dr. Pepper coupon in the mail today. Wasn't expecting that...
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Jeff on December 16, 2008, 11:02 AM
Axl drops by the interwebs to interact with his fans (http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=133371)

A friend sent me this link, apparently Axl spent last weekend on the net chatting/debating and answering questions from the GNR fans on that site.  Apparently it's all legit.  It's quite an interesting read if you can make it through the whole thing...
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Chris M on December 17, 2008, 08:56 AM
Jeff, thanks for the link there...interesting read, if you can manage to make it through the whole thing.  Axl has a way of being over the top wordy.  It's nice to finally get some of his perspective on the entire GnR thing and the break up of the original band.

That said, I think he is still over the top bitter about it.  He has now said his piece, and in his autobiography, Slash said his piece about what happened.  I think Slash's perspective on events may have been a bit altered due to all the drugs he was using at the time.  However, I think both guys were telling the truth from their point of view.  What really happened to the band is somewhere in between.  I'd love to hear what Duff had to say about the break up...but I don't think he's been one to comment publicly about that sort of thing.

I think Axl really needs to extend the olive branch to Slash and Slash needs to do it. Now that they are both clean, unlike 12 years ago, a discussion and burying the hatchet would be much easier.  I will say that from Slash's perspective, he felt that Axl was trying to take creative control of the band and was bringing in too many of his own people and blowing band money left and right on stupid stuff, like excessive parties for groupies and hangers on type people. I think Slash had a lot of distrust for those people who were coming around because the band was making money hand over fist and was at the top of the metal world.  Most of that I believe came during the UYI tour.  FWIW, I think both of those albums are badass!!!

One thing I would love to see is a reunion, especially if/when they are inducted into the Rock n Roll HOF.  IMO, GnR is one of the greatest bands ever, right up there with Aerosmith.  And incidentally, those two bands have had many similar experiences, especially when dealing with talents and personalities and egos.  I would love to see Axl and Slash work out their differences, being clean now as I mentioned earlier, and make a new album.  I'm not trying to defend Slash here at all, simply offering perspective.  I think he's the best guitarist of my generation and will always be thought of as a top 5 guitar player in the rock world.  The same goes for Axl, few people have the vocal range that he does.  When you put the two of those things together, great things happen.

I think both of these guys know and understand how truly talented the other is.  The roadblock at the moment I think is Axl's bitterness.  Slash claims to have tried in the 90's to go by Axl's home and work it out, but apparently he was all f'd up at the time, probably drunk as opposed to high on heroin.

Now, I'm just hoping.  I've listened a bit more to the new album and while it's a far cry, IMO, from the old GnR, it's still decent.  I do like the bluesy-rock sound.  However, as I said in a previous post, I just can't get past it not being the original band.  I can tell it's not Slash on the guitar.  To me, it often sounds as if it's a really, really good GnR cover band with Axl doing the lyrics.  I'm not taking away from any of the other musicians who played on it, it's just not old school GnR.  I say all of this as I'm jamming to "Let it Ride" by Velvet Revolver...a totally kick ass song with a great guitar riff!!!

I just want to point out that the stuff above is just my opinion and my view of things that have transpired.  Often times, we tend to bag each other's opinion because it's not the same as ours.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on December 17, 2008, 12:25 PM
IMO, GnR is one of the greatest bands ever, right up there with Aerosmith.

Not even close.  IMO.

GN'R had one phenomenal album, two good albums that might have been one phenomenal album had they exercised some restraint, and then it all went to ****.  Aerosmith blows them away, longevity- and output-wise.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Chris M on December 17, 2008, 12:35 PM
I don't mean by sheer numbers of albums and sales.  I'm simply referring to their music quality itself.  I know a lot of people don't care for some of the UYI stuff, but most of it I really liked.  Some of it though is crap...but I think that about all albums, some of them just have some songs that suck.

That said, Aerosmith to me, is the best rock band of all time.  They've been there, done that, got the Tshirt, and been through the gates of hell to keep rockin'.

BTW, I'm reading a book about them at the moment called "Walk this Way."  Great read if you are really into them.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on December 17, 2008, 12:52 PM
I don't mean by sheer numbers of albums and sales.  I'm simply referring to their music quality itself.

So was I.  All of the syrupy ballads Aerosmith has been relying on for the last fifteen or twenty years makes people sometimes forget that they had a decent run of some really solid rock albums back in the seventies.  Then it all went to ****, just like GN'R.  The difference is that Aerosmith came back.

As far as individual albums go, I like Appetite over anything Aerosmith ever did, Toys or Rocks or whatever.  But as overall careers go (which I think is more what the R&RHOF is looking at), GN'R can't hold a candle to them.  Will they get in?  Almost definitely.  Are they as deserving?  Nope.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on December 17, 2008, 07:43 PM
I think they're deserving of HOF induction, as they've got themselves a pretty unique place in RnR history.  They're one of those bridge bands that links a lot of different styles or "scenes" or whatever together.  I hate most hair metal stuff like Poison, Tesla, Great White and all that crap, but I loved GnR.  They were kind of a bridge between glammy post New York Dolls rock/punk, ****** '80s crotch rock, and "alternative" rock like The Cult.  They're an explosive, important band because of, if not in spite of, their many faults.

Yeah, they've put out a fair amount of mediocre stuff, and some pure ****, but when GnR hit their highest (e.g., Rocket Queen), there aren't too many bands that are any better.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on December 30, 2008, 10:06 AM
I got Chinese Democracy for Christmas.  Finally had the chance to give it a listen...

I really enjoyed the first half of the album.  I've listened to the first 6  or 7 songs maybe 4 times through.  The first song is solid.  The second song is fantastic... my favorite of the album so far.  I love the funky, industrial stuff.  The third is good, but it felt like filler.  Four through six are something different.  These are like showcases of Axl's vocal chops, and unlike anything he's done before.  He's always had a powerful voice, but it was always used as just one piece of any song.  In four through six, his vocals ARE the song.  And for the most part he pulls it off amazingly.  In Street of Dreams he kinda fumbles it on the first and third line, drawing out "world" in particular across like six notes that just didn't work for me.  But otherwise I was really surprised just how he melodically carries those songs solely by his vocals.  Without his strong performances, they'd fall apart.  But because of his singing the songs are just really compelling.

Catcher in the Rye is pretty lame for the first 3/4 of the song, but the ending is just fantastic enough to make it worthwhile.

The rest of the album I've only really listened through once, and I wasn't very happy with it.  I.R.S. stood out as catchy, but for the most part the second half of the album was Axl being a whiny little bitch.  That's my first impression, and it's disconcerting.  It was all ballads moaning about women troubles.  I can deal with one or two of those, but dedicating half the album to that theme is ridiculous.  Maybe it'll grow on my after I listen to it a couple more times, but I don't have high hopes.  I want GnR to kick ass, and the second half of the album certainly doesn't.

I need to listen to it through a few more times before I have a final opinion.  But it seems like it'll be an album I'll be skipping a bunch of songs on when I listen to it.  It's a pity that the great songs are tarnished by the weaker ones.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on December 31, 2008, 09:38 AM
The third is good, but it felt like filler.

Really?  Most of the reviews I've read say it's one of the album's better tracks, pun fully intended.

Quote
Four through six are something different.  These are like showcases of Axl's vocal chops, and unlike anything he's done before.  He's always had a powerful voice, but it was always used as just one piece of any song.  In four through six, his vocals ARE the song.  And for the most part he pulls it off amazingly.  In Street of Dreams he kinda fumbles it on the first and third line, drawing out "world" in particular across like six notes that just didn't work for me.  But otherwise I was really surprised just how he melodically carries those songs solely by his vocals.  Without his strong performances, they'd fall apart.  But because of his singing the songs are just really compelling.

Amazing what a little pitch correction can do.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on December 31, 2008, 10:06 AM
Better is fine, just didn't really do anything for me.

One error in my earlier review... the word he draws out is "you" rather than "world."  I was looking through the lyrics trying to play it back in my head, and picked the wrong one.

And my impression that the last half of the album was all whiny was incorrect.  It's really only the last 1/4.  But that last 1/4 is so epically whiny that it bled over in my mind to all the previous songs.  On a second listening, both 8 and 9 are great, rocking songs.

#10 Sorry is garbage.  I don't like it at all.  The lyrics are anti-whiny, but they come across as whiny.  Plus it's too long, too slow, and dull.

I.R.S. like I said before is catchy.  Decent song.

12 and 14 have some redeeming qualities... they're not great, but they're listenable... but they're pretty much overrun by the whiny suckiness that is This I Love.  I never thought one bad song could ruin an album, but This I Love is challenging that belief.  That one song puts me in a mindset that just soils everything around it.  If it wasn't included, I think I would have absolutely loved this album.  The goodness of the songs I really enjoy would affect my perception of the whole.  But This I Love just obliterates that effect, and replaces it with bad feelings.

So I think I'll end up erasing This I Love from my MP3s and skip it when I listen to the CD in the car.  Maybe, with time, the bad effects will fade and I'll love the album.  I hope that's the case, at least.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on January 1, 2009, 10:47 AM
Thats funny considering i think This I love is the best track on the album. Its the oldest of the songs. I think its just a continuation of the Illusion albums.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Neal on January 1, 2009, 08:24 PM
Thats funny considering i think This I love is the best track on the album. Its the oldest of the songs. I think its just a continuation of the Illusion albums.

I somewhat agree.  It's not my favorite song on the album, but I think it's one of the better ones. 
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on February 12, 2009, 12:31 AM
Axl Speaks; Nobody Cares (http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/specials/axl-speaks/interview.shtml)

Quick summary:   The internet is mean.  The record company is mean.  The media is mean.  The fans are mean.  Slash is mean.

But, the big news:  They're releasing a full Guns N' Roses album for Rock Band! 

(http://images.dvdtalk.com/images/smiles/banana.gif)

It's Chinese Democracy. 

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Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Chris M on February 12, 2009, 09:44 AM
Is Axl ever going to get over it?  I mean, this has been going on for 15 years.  After reading Slash's autobiography, I don't think he holds any ill will towards Axl.  I think he was frustrated with where he was taking the bands music.

The two need to get over and make some badass music.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on May 22, 2009, 01:25 PM
Nearly six months after it's release, and I have just one thing to ask:

Anyone still listening to Chinese Democracy?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Morgbug on May 22, 2009, 01:35 PM
Never bought/downloaded/stole it in the first place.  So I guess the answer is no.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on May 22, 2009, 12:34 PM
I just put Shackler's Revenge on a mix cd.  Does that count?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: JabbaJoe on May 23, 2009, 03:53 AM
I just bought Chinese Democracy on Friday at the Edina Best Buy in Minnesota for $4.99.  Not sure if this is the price at all Best Buy's or just this store.  They must be having a lot of trouble getting rid of there extra copies of it.  Have not listened to it yet, so jury is still out on it for me.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on May 26, 2009, 09:43 AM
I still listen to it
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: BillCable on May 26, 2009, 10:51 AM
I listened over the weekend.  It's still in my car.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: DSJ™ on October 20, 2009, 10:23 AM
Guns N' Roses: Rexall Place. Edmonton, AB. Sun, Jan 17, 2010 08:00 PM. Ticket Prices: $49.50 - $89.50 CDN.

Guns N' Roses: MTS Centre. Winnipeg, MB. Wed, Jan 13, 2010 08: Ticket Prices: $61.25 ($49.50 Ticket + $11.75 Fees) -$102.50 CDN ($89.50 Ticket + $13.00 Fees).

So, I have never seen them but have listened to the odd tunes. Just from reading this thread over time, they are  must see.

Should I go? General public sale goes up this Friday but I should able to get tic's through the Live Nation presale this Thrusday.

Also, Brent. Those prices for tickets in winterpeg suck man. Are you going to the concert too?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on October 20, 2009, 12:31 PM
I would go, they are awesome live. Axl sounds great and they play a pretty good set. I hope they come to this forsaken state or else i am going to have to fly home just for a show. I wouldn't mind driving out to LA or Vegas to see them again.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: DSJ™ on October 22, 2009, 01:45 PM
Ok, so I beat the rush & got 2 tickets with the presale passcode for the cheap seats. Sitting at section 211, row 32 (marked with red x) 1 minute after they went on sale. I have sat in those upper sections at hockey games & the odd concerts so I have no problems with the seats, just need to bring a couple of binoculars & scott air packs .  :D

For $69.50, I could have got the same section but 4 rows lower.  ::)

I'm sure glad I did not go for the $89.50 tickets, that price is for the floor & standing only, no seating.  :-\

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i306/DSJcdn/Random/GunsnRosesSeating.gif)

Now with that being a Sunday night, I have to book it off as I work the grave shift.  :P

I'm really looking forward to this concert.  8)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on October 23, 2009, 06:47 PM
Very awesome, I hope i get to see them again this time around.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Morgbug on October 23, 2009, 08:17 PM
Just be prepared to wait until about 11:45 P.M. to start the show like they did last time they were in Winnipeg  ::)

Our lower bowl/floor seats are $102.50
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: DSJ™ on January 14, 2010, 09:51 PM
Brent, how was the concert? I see it was a bit of a late start.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Morgbug on January 14, 2010, 11:51 PM
Later finish.  They played for three hours.  Do you really want to know how it was?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: DSJ™ on January 15, 2010, 02:58 AM
Later finish.  They played for three hours.  Do you really want to know how it was?

Yeah, I heard it was 3 hrs.

Oh I guess not, that would be like telling me who Luke's father is or how the movie Titanic ended.  :P

Good thing I have the nite off work, my buddy may get a couple hrs sleep tho.  ;D
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Morgbug on January 15, 2010, 09:51 PM
It was kinda bizarre.  Couple of opening acts then they basically tore down the stage almost entirely  ???  Put it back together and eventually (10:30 or so) G'n'R comes out and plays quasi-new stuff for 45 minutes then goes away  ???  For almost half an hour.  Then they came back and played for a little over two hours of nothing but classics. 

I guess it's fun to screw with people that pay to see you play but that was pretty close to the limit. :-\
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: DSJ™ on January 15, 2010, 10:16 PM
Interesting, they seem to have a good review that I read here (http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/Guns-N-Roses-show-a-massive-rock-n-roll-spectacle-81474192.html) tho they do mention the late start which was earlier than last time.  ::)

Lot's of fireworks/explosions, 7,500 attended. Is that low?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Morgbug on January 16, 2010, 12:04 AM
Yeah, very low really, but last time they came they started at 12:00 A.M. and it was mid-week, so lots of folks were gunshy about the show really.  Metallica sold out in 15 minutes for about 16-17K, so half full arena really.  

That review is generous.  He didn't sound as good as the last show and that it was the first show of the tour seemed to show.  
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: DSJ™ on January 18, 2010, 04:23 AM
Just got back from Gn'R... holy hell! My ears are still ringing & we sat 8 rows near the top on the far end. Man that was ******* loud & **** did the place rock, so did the guy drunk next to my bud. It's a concert man, get on your feet & party... yeah he passed out & his girl friend/wife was not impressed with him.  ;D

Our review (http://www.edmontonsun.com/entertainment/music/2010/01/18/12506786.html) is out & not to shabby, 9800 showed up, not bad. A 10:30pm start & it ended at 1:40am. Good thing I had the nite off.  :P

Yep, I liked it.  8)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Chris M on February 11, 2011, 05:33 PM
GnR at the Super Bowl? (http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/News/guns-n-roses-0211-2011/)

It's being reported there are rumors swirling around about this.  Axl has said no on his twitter account from some stuff I've read, but maybe this will come to fruition.  Maybe they would be good, maybe not.  But it would be nice to see them together.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on February 12, 2011, 09:55 AM
That would be the only way to undo the horror of Fergie singing ruining Sweet Child O' Mine.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: darth broem 2 on February 12, 2011, 11:19 AM
Every year people piss and moan about the Super Bowl half time show.  I'm sure if they got together and Axl missed a word to a song it would cast the world into Armaggedon.  Anyway, it won't happen so onto the next group that will "suck" at this event. 
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on February 13, 2011, 03:55 PM
Every year people piss and moan about the Super Bowl half time show.


Do they really, though?  Because from Nipplegate up until this year, the halftime shows have been pretty kick-ass. 

The seven years before Janet:

1997:  The Blues Brothers, ZZ Top, James Brown, Catherine Crier
1998:  Boyz II Men, Smokey Robinson, Martha Reeves, The Temptations, Queen Latifah, Grambling State University Band
1999:  Chaka Khan, Gloria Estefan, Stevie Wonder, Big Bad Voodoo Daddy, Savion Glover, Kiss
2000:  Phil Collins, Christina Aguilera, Enrique Iglesias, Toni Braxton, 80-person choir, Edward James Olmos
2001:  Ben Stiller, Adam Sandler, Chris Rock, Aerosmith, 'N Sync, Britney Spears, Mary J. Blige, Nelly
2002:  U2
2003:  Shania Twain, No Doubt, Sting

The seven years after:

2005:  Paul McCartney
2006:  The Rolling Stones
2007:  Prince
2008:  Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
2009:  Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band
2010:  The Who
2011:  The Blackeyed Peas

I don't remember too many people bitching about those recent shows at all.

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I'm sure if they got together and Axl missed a word to a song it would cast the world into Armaggedon.

Would never happen--he has all those teleprompters set up all over the stage for a reason--so he won't have to remember the lyrics to songs he wrote and started performing 25 years ago.

Speaking of which, next year is the actual 25th anniversary of Appetite for Destruction, and there's a pretty good chance that they'll be nominated/inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.  If they do get inducted, which I think would be at the end of 2012, there would be a lot of pressure on them to reunite for the ceremony in March 2013 (I think).

Lots of issues with these guys, though.  I don't think the Super Bowl thing will happen, but you never know.  Slightly better chance at the RNRHOF.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on February 13, 2011, 07:39 PM
This year was really bad, but other than that they have been entertaining.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on February 16, 2011, 08:30 PM
Posted this is in MOTU section as well but just in case some of you GNR fans are interested as well.

Being a big fan of MOTU & GN'R i totally had to order this. So awesome!!!

Appetite for Eternia (http://www.teefury.com/)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Scott on February 16, 2011, 08:54 PM
Yeah I was going to post that today and it slipped my mind...

(http://www.teefury.com/products_large_images/1294691479_bottom_eternia.jpg)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Diddly on March 26, 2011, 11:52 PM
Picked up Chinese Democracy at Best Buy today for $1.99. That's no typo. I believe I was also the first person to purchase this fine work of art from this particular store, as they still had plenty of copies, still on the same shelf as the day the CD was launched.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt on September 17, 2011, 06:05 PM
What was everybody else doing twenty years ago today?

The story of Guns N' Roses' Use Your Illusion I & II ~ Celebrating the 20th anniversary with exclusive commentary from Slash (http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/the-story-of-guns-n-roses-use-your-illusion-i-ii-496629)

Use Your Illusion Turns 20 (http://stereogum.com/813852/use-your-illusion-turns-20/top-stories/lead-story/)





I feel old.

Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 18, 2011, 12:09 AM
I was a Jr in college at UCF.

Great album, and the last thing I purchased that had anything to do with GnR.   :D
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: DSJ™ on September 22, 2011, 12:16 AM
Guns N' Roses announces first U.S. tour in 5 years (http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/21/guns-n-roses-announces-first-u-s-tour-in-5-years/?hpt=hp_bn7)

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October 28 - Orlando, Florida at the Amway Center Arena
October 29 - Miami, Florida at the American Airlines Arena
October 31 –  Greenville, South Carolina at the Bi-Lo Center Arena
November 2 - Atlanta, Georgia at the Phillips Arena
November 5 - Dallas, Texas at the Gexa Energy Pavillion
November 12 - Kansas City, Missouri at the Sprint Center Arena
November 13 - Minneapolis, Minnesota at the Target Center Arena

The band also has plans to stop by Houston, Texas; Omaha, Nebraska; Tulsa, Oklahoma; Chicago; and East Rutherford, New Jersey.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Chris M on September 22, 2011, 09:43 AM
I'm tempted to go when they are here in Dallas. But I can't seem to get any info if they have anyone opening for them.

I'm also stuck with the GnR that I love from the 80's and it just wouldn't be the same seeing Axl with his rent-a-band with him.  It's kind of like an Axl solo project now. 
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: IncomT65 on September 23, 2011, 07:13 AM
GnR, loved them back in the day, but I agree it's a shame everything fell apart. Sure, the sound and performance of the 'new' band will be great, but it just wouldn't feel right you know.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: evenflow on September 24, 2011, 11:58 AM
Well i am hoping for  AZ, LA, and NY dates.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Diddly on October 13, 2011, 12:48 AM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-F90UCzl7d78/TVRUjJ4B-aI/AAAAAAAADXE/pbZC19Pi3X8/s1600/axl+rose+not+sexy.jpg)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Chris M on October 13, 2011, 09:18 AM
Someone needs to tell Axl to put the donuts down and spend a little time on the treadmill.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: Sprry75 on October 16, 2011, 10:00 PM
(http://images.blippitt.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Duff-McKagan-Its-So-Easy.jpg)

Got this yesterday and am about a hundred pages in.  I was pretty sure before, but now it is confirmed, Duff is my favorite.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Jungle Gn'R Fan Club
Post by: name on October 28, 2011, 03:21 PM
(http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lslpofUMGH1qz7swqo1_500.jpg)

See...I would have gone with Cold November Raincoat.