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Community => JD Sports Forum! => Topic started by: Jim on November 29, 2003, 07:52 AM
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Well, all you sports fans out there know by now that Schilling is on his way to Beantown. To me, this will help tremendously. And if we can sign Foulke (SP), we should have the Yanks looking over there shoulders a bit more. Whats everyones take? Boston fans give a shout and some input.
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Isn't it funny how the season has been over for over a month now and the Red Sox are still front page news? Like I said in the baseball thread, if Schilling is the final piece of the puzzle to finally bringing a championship to Beantown, then he would be immediately vaulted to god like status. It all looks good on paper, with Pedro-Schill-Lowe-Wakefield and either Kim or Arroyo as your starting rotation and good set up men in Timlin and Embree. Hopefully a great closer in Foulke to round out a solid pitching staff to go with our potent offense. But what always looks good on paper doesn't always translate to wins. Francona as manager should do well and we'll definitely compete and hopefully win it all. Can't wait. Don't pitchers and catchers report in like a month ;)
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It was a nice move by the Red Sox. Problem is that has the Yanks front office all riled up and are rumored to be going for Kevin Brown and Latroy Hawkins and maybe acquiring Kenny Lofton from the Cubbies. The Evil Empire will not be easily conquered. LOL!
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Looks like Francona will become the newest member of the Red Sox this morning. Now all we need is to sign Foulke and we are in pretty decent shape. Already cant wait for opening day.
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Big trade rumors indicating A-Rod to BoSox for Manny Ramirez. I can't remember where Nomar may head. LA Dodgers? If indeed the BoSox land A-Rod that would be an amazing pickup.
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It's just that - a rumour.
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That's true.
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I can't remember where Nomar may head. LA Dodgers?
Gimme, gimme, gimme!!! ;D
Yeah, we've been hearing the same trade talk out here. Nomar's certainly a stud, but replacing him with A-Rod would still be a step up, and a definite statement (to the Yanks) that the Sox mean business...
Unfortunately, the Dodgers are currently up for sale as we speak, so I don't think the current owner can make too big a move without the prospective new owner's approval. I think that's part of why they were trying to move Kevin Brown - to dump some salary and make the team more attractive/cheaper to purchase. Hopefully the polish off the sale, and we can snag Garciaparra. I'd love to see him in Dodger Blue! 8)
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Actually, L.A. and Anaheim were some teams I heard mentioned about Nomar. Will it become a 3 way trade, if these Rodriguez rumours pan out? I say spend the extra cake now, and eat it later. Trade Manny, pick up Rodriguez and move Nomar to 2nd. Or, do the Manny trade and get rid of Nomar for another top pitcher (Maddux anyone?). I know i'm dreaming on that one, but I have a feeling that we may end up with two of the top three SS in baseball. Costly? Sure, but I have a feeling that everyone in the front office is pretty sincere and want to deliver now instead of later. On a side note, that fat uckfay Wells was signed to the Yankees minor league system.
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Big trade rumors indicating A-Rod to BoSox for Manny Ramirez. I can't remember where Nomar may head. LA Dodgers? If indeed the BoSox land A-Rod that would be an amazing pickup.
Well, word has it that the GM of the Rangers has set a deadline of December 16th to make a Manny-ARod deal. Let's see if these two teams can get it done. Texas might actually need the slugger in Manny since both Palmeiro and Juan-Gon are both free agents.
Then, if memory serves me right, Nomar might be headed to the Angels if the ARod deal goes through.
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Another big RUMOR going around right now is that the Cubs are close to signing Pudge Rodriguez to a 3 year deal. This excites me since I'm a Cub fan, but I take it with a grain of salt. Supposedly Dan Patrick of ESPN said on his show today or yesterday that he will be a Cub but it won't be announced for sometime. Hey, sounds good to me if it happens :)
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Andy Pettite sticks to ole Georgie boy and signs with the Houston Astros (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1683732). Good news for the Red Sox, not so great for the Yanks.
And it seems like the Arod to Boston rumor is growing. Apparently, he and his agent talked to the players union about a possible restructuring of his contract. From what I understand, that only happens when a deal is close to being done.
And since this thread seems to be turning into an all baseball and not just a Red Sox thread, maybe a mod (or Jim?) could change the title into something like JD's off season baseball thread or such?
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I'm pretty pissed at the Twins right now...
Perzynski, Guardado, Hawkins and Milton (all former all stars except LaTroy) have all been dealt (for crap) or not signed
They resigned Shannon Stewart but haven't done anything else, I fully expect the White Sox and Royals to pass them this year. Looks like the dream is over yet again :'(
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Looks like the Pudge thing to the Cubs is all rumor. I'd love to see it happen but he wants $10 million each year for 4 years. That's pretty high for a 32 or 33 year old catcher. I'd like to see him in Cubbie blue but just don't think it will happen with that price. Oh well.
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This has been the most interesting off-season in a long time. Big names being moved left and right.
It's nice to see (relative) sanity established in payroll. Sure, the Yanks and Red Sox are going off, but players aren't being signed for the money they were getting two years ago.
I've always liked Pudge, but I am so happy noone's biting on his $10M/yr demand. He blew it when he rejected Miami's purported offer of $32M over 4 years.
Even Vlad -- doesn't look like the Giants will get him -- will "only" get in the $12M-$15M/year range.
A-Rod. Unhappy in Texas. 'Nuff said.
As for the Twins, Mauer (sp?) is supposed to be a stud and will be cheap for the next few years. He definitely has big shoes to fill. The two pitchers they got for Prezynski individually don't stack up to P, but Joe Nathan will give the Twins lots of flexibility with their pitching. In 2 years, we'll find out if Lliriano (??) is cream or crap.
Hopefully Perzynski will have a long career in SF.
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I loved AJ...he's a huge Trash Talker and was the heart and soul of the team...he swings a good bat too
Mauer is the future but the Twins blew it when they took him over Mark Prior. Prior might have got them to the World Series Last year...
The general consensus in town when they took Mauer is that Scrooge McPohlad went the cheap way in going plus he is a Minnesotan...SO WHAT! You have a chance to get a future Cy Young Winner, you do it, Cubs fans can thanks Scrooge for Prior
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Yeah, I heard the homegrown thing played a role.
I got a taste of his trash talk during an interview on a local radio station the day he was traded. He bad-mouthed the Metrodome and sounded genuinely happy to be going to SF. :P
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The winter meetings are coming up this weekend. Should be some interesting items coming out of there I would think.
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Oh yeah I forgot the Twins are thinking of dumping Jaque Jones and Meintkeiwicz too...Scrooge, I'm done with you, anyone know what team I should root for >:( (ah who am I kidding)
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They are going to be wearing their 70's early 80's style hat again this year for select games, no word on if the the Baby Blue Uni's will be coming back too
(http://www.homeruncards.com/imagesrc/pucketttp.jpg)
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I'm pretty pissed at the Twins right now...
Perzynski, Guardado, Hawkins and Milton (all former all stars except LaTroy) have all been dealt (for crap) or not signed
They resigned Shannon Stewart but haven't done anything else, I fully expect the White Sox and Royals to pass them this year. Looks like the dream is over yet again :'(
So far, the Twins re-signed:
Shannon Stewart
[/sarcasm] Woo-pee! [sarcasm]
I agree we needed him, but we have a TON of OF prospects we refuse to trade (Mohr, Cud, Resto, Ford, etc). He's the lowest priority of the three FAs we had.
AND, we've lost:
AJ
Milty
Hawk
Eddie
PLUS, the guys we didn't resign:
Gomez
Hocking
Reed
Rogers
That's EIGHT of the 27 main starters from last year.
Don't even get me started on the Jones and Dougie trade rumors
>:(
Terry Ryan has his hands full to get things right before Feb...
Jeff
disgruntled Twins Fan
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OCB you can join me on the Cubs (Prior) bandwagon. Mark Prior shoulda been a Twin anyway so I'll just root for him next year... I'm definately not gonna go Brew-Crew though! Down with Bud!
pps.
My brother lives in CT and saw Mauer on a regular basis with the New Britan Rock Cats (AA). He said Mauer can be a stud eventually, but needs a LOT of work to get there. There were times when he gunned down a runner at 2nd base by 4-5 steps and other times where he gunned the ball to the Center Fielder!
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Well looks like the deal that will bring ARod in will take place. Looks like Nomar may be heading to L.A. Hope you enjoy him Matt. He will be missed. Overall, I am happy if the deal takes place. Its kind of nice to know that the Sox are already favored for the division. Hopefully everyone will stay healthy. I still am not counting those friggin Yankees out. Im sure Steinbrenner is going to continue to pick up talent all the way up to opening day.
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Well, today's the day for ARod it sound like if it will happen or not
Not sure how I feel though, Boston seems to be playing the same old Yankee tricks which sucks for the rest of the league outside of Chicago and Atlanta
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The deal was made in principle and ready to be announced until the players association vetoed the restructuring of ARods contract. Why can't they just let it go? ARod wants it, both owners want it, Major League Baseball wants it and the fans (well at least Red Sox fans) want it.
I'm assuming (and correct me if I'm wrong, Scott) that by "playing the same old Yankee trick" you mean the Red Sox have gone on a spending spree that rivals the Yankees of the past decade or so. I won't deny that Boston has more luxary in spending than a lot of other teams, but if the trade happens as is (ARod for Manny and Nomar and Scott Williamson for Magglio Ordonez), then the Red Sox come out of it pretty much where they stand right now.
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2003 Payrolls...
New York Yankees $180,322,403
New York Mets 116,253,927
Los Angeles 109,248,680
Texas 106,277,880
Boston 104,873,607
Sure they are dumping Nomar and Manny but they will still be in the top 4, the funny thing to me at least is the number of championships (besides the Yankees) won by these top 5 teams in the last 20 years is same as the Twins have won in the same amount of time :P
There is something to be said for payroll...but there is also something to be said for farm systems and scouting. That is why Florida and Anaheim won the past two years
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The Mets are dropping out of that ranking fast. Apparently, Mets owner Fred Wilpon wants the payroll in the vicinity of $80 million.
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Well, today's the day for ARod it sound like if it will happen or not
Wow. Looks like apparently not! The Players Association wouldn't accept A-Rod's "devalued" contract, since it could potentially set precedent for owners to try to get other players (especially of a lesser caliber) to renogotiate their contracts down, like what occasionally happens in the NFL.
That stops all kinds of other trades that were hanging in the balance, based on A-Rod's deal happening. Boy, lot's of healing to do in Beantown and Texas now between their superstar players and the fans, management, etc. (Nomar, Manny, A-Rod) Sure was a couple of wild negotiating days there though. Sure made for some lively Sports Talk on the various sports radio shows! 8)
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Cubs picked up Kent Merker LHP for the bullpen. They also picked up Todd Hollandsworth from the Marlins to come off the bench. I am happy with both pick ups. The GM says he hopes to add some more players in the next few weeks. I sure hope it's a decent catcher like Pudge, Javy Lopez or Jason Kendall.
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Clemens Shuns Retirement to Join Astros
The Astros called a news conference for Monday. Clemens agreed to a contract Sunday, the source said on condition of anonymity.
I for one am happy to see Clemens pitch again. he was one of my favorite pitchers to watch. One of the great pitchers
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That and Vlad going to Anahiem are the two shockers of the year so far...the Angels thing was totally out of left field, that makes them contenders again IMO (and signing Colon and Guillen)
The Astros are going to be tough as well, I knew Clemens would be back...turkey :P
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...Vlad going to Anahiem...
I was absolutely dumbfounded the other day when I heard that. Incredible pick-up for the Halos, and like you said, totally out of left field! Hadn't even heard we were contenders for him. Nice to see that the new owner is proactive, and willing to spend some cash. First really big free agent signing by us in quite a while - since Mo Vaughn about 5 years ago.
Picked up a couple good pitchers as well, so hopefully the Angels will be right in the thick of things again this upcoming year.
As for the Dodgers though... ::) >:(
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...Vlad going to Anahiem...
First really big free agent signing by us in quite a while - since Mo Vaughn about 5 years ago.
If only Vlad turns out half as productive as Mo was things should be just peachy!
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Clemens is a piece of ****. You Yankees fans now know how it feels. He pretty much did the same thing when he left Boston, shunned the fans who supported him for years. I can't wait until the first time someone beans his fat ass.
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It will probably be somebody from the Mets who beans him. Someone will eventually. Well I am hoping the Cubs can turnaround and sign Greg Maddux now that Houston has the Rocket. Supposedly he's going to get an offer from the Cubs later on today.
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Here we go again. The A-Rod talk is heating up once again. If I was Nomar, this would probably start getting to me. Sure we all know its a business, himself included, but not knowing your future with less than a month before spring training?
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Well, for my own selfish reasons, I'm glad to see the A-Rod talk kickin' up again, 'cause it means there's a good chance that Nomar may end up in Dodger blue as a result! The Dodgers ownership is in a state of limbo right now, which has led to us having probably the worst off season in all of baseball this year. We've acquired absolutely nothing, and got rid of Kevin Brown to boot!
So landing someone as great as Garciaparra would definitely bring a much needed shot of enthusiasm for the fans, and star-power for the team, back to L.A. 8)
Meanwhile, the neighboring Angels have possibly had the best off season of any team, puncuated by the recent signing of Vladamir Guerrero. Their free wheeling spending spree is helping to overshadow (and embarrass) the Dodgers even further...
Meanwhile, 30+ years later, I'm still waiting for my dream Freeway World Series between the Dodgers and Angels... :-\
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Well the Brewers are up for sale. I can say I am happy to see this. Hopefully new ownership would put some lifeblood back into the team. The team still has a 30 year lease so I am sure they would stay in Milwaukee. I would be happy to see Selig as owner.
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Meanwhile, 30+ years later, I'm still waiting for my dream Freeway World Series between the Dodgers and Angels... :-\
I still hoping for this as will... just so the Angels kick the Dodgers butts. ;D
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looks like my yankees are making some pretty good moves this offseason...
RHP Tom Gordon (White Sox)
RHP Paul Quantrill (Dodgers)
INF/OF Miguel Cairo (Cardinals)
OF Gary Sheffield (Braves)
OF Kenny Lofton (Cubs)
1B Tony Clark (Mets)
RHP Javier Vazquez (Expos)
RHP Kevin Brown (Dodgers)
although i didn't like this tidbit of news too much:
The Yankees' current projected rotation -- Mike Mussina, Kevin Brown, Jose Contreras, Jon Lieber and Javier Vazquez -- is all right-handed. New York hasn't gone with an all-righty rotation since 1992, and hasn't made the postseason with one in 57 years, according to the Elias Sports Bureau.
just doesn't make any sense... no lefties?
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Well my Cubbies have an all righty starting pitching staff
Prior
Wood
Zambrano
Clement
Maddux (if he signs with the Cubs)
It would be nice to have a lefty but they are scarce. It should not be that big a deal really. Nice yes, but no biggee.
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The Twins had their TwinsFest this weekend and so lots of the boys are in town and as such have been interviewed by local media. Lets just say they are not too happy with the way payroll and players have been thrown off unceremoniously. If you pay them , we will come, if you don't F You Carl "Uncle Scrooge" Pohlad
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Seems like a good time to bump, now that Steinbrenner has screwed us Sox fans over one more time. This is why we need a salary cap in baseball. No doubt this is going to help the Yanks in their hitting, and easily replaces Soriano. I had a gut feeling about this the day the deal with the Sox fell through. Saw it coming. Hopefully the League can find some loophole to screw the deal over, but I aint counting on it. >:(
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Seems like a good time to bump, now that Steinbrenner has screwed us Sox fans over one more time. This is why we need a salary cap in baseball. No doubt this is going to help the Yanks in their hitting, and easily replaces Soriano. I had a gut feeling about this the day the deal with the Sox fell through. Saw it coming. Hopefully the League can find some loophole to screw the deal over, but I aint counting on it. >:(
You do realize Jim, that you failed to mention exactly what this deal was, and exactly who was involved, right? ;)
A-Rod to the Yankees (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/baseball/mlb/02/16/bc.bba.yankees.rodriguez.ap/index.html?cnn=yes) (for Soriano) :o
I was in shock when I heard this. Yeah, at some point baseball's going to have to do something about this. I understand that Steinbrenner and the Yanks are certainly playing by the rules, and that he's willing to spend (and get taxed) more than anyone else by a landslide, but this is just getting ridiculous...
Not to mention it was one helluva blow to Sox fans... again. Man, I couldn't even fathom the thought of being you guys, and trying to temper my anger and disappointment with so many things that have transpired over the years. Baseball couldn't approve the deal to send A-Rod to the Sox, but no problem whatsoever sending him to the Yankees?! Huh?!? ???
I can't believe that the Yanks are getting him for as cheap as they are, and that Texas was willing to eat $67 million of the $179 million left on Rodriguez's $252 million, 10-year contract! Don't think they offered to do that when the Sox deal was in trouble, otherwise I'd imagine it would've worked out like this one did. Soriano (and a player to be named later) for A-Rod (and a ton of cash paid for his salary)? Yeah, that's an even trade... ::)
Boggles the mind, I tell ya'. Evil Empire indeed. :-\
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I'm kind of surprised this trade went thru too. If ever there was a time when they need to institute a salary cap for teams, this is the deal to make it happen. What's the Yankees payroll now, 200 million? ::) Yeah, that's fair when about 25 other teams can't even afford a 100 million dollar payroll. But yet the Yankees keep plugging away setting a new record year after year for payroll.
On the flip side, at least Texas got a great player in return. Soriano, offensively, is just about as good as A-Rod, and 3 years younger, so still not even in his prime yet. He's the guy who should have won the MVP 2 years ago instead of Tejada. But that's another arguement. ;)
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The column I read this morning stated that when this contract is up, and all deferred payments made, the Rangers will have forked over $140M for three years of Rodriguez -- $46.67M a year. :o
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Just checking in so everyone doesn't think I'm on suicide watch ;)
I was away for the weekend with no TV so I had literally no idea this went down until a friend called me to tell me about it. Put a damper in my vacation, he did.
I don't know what to say. I could say "**** the Yankees, I hope they lose big this year" or "The Sox have no one to blame but themselves. They couldn't get the deal done and it bit them in the ass". Since I'm still in a good mood about the Pats, this doesn't bother me right now as much as it would have if it happened closer to opening day. But like Curt Schilling said yesterday, "The owners have done all they can and its up to the 25 players coming North to get the job done"
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Now rumors are flying that Maddux may be coming to the Bronx.
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Now rumors are flying that Maddux may be coming to the Bronx.
Heard that, too.
Unless Steinbrenner just overwhelms Maddux with loads of money, I think it's just Boras (Maddux's agent) trying to start a bidding war.
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Now rumors are flying that Maddux may be coming to the Bronx.
Heard that, too.
Unless Steinbrenner just overwhelms Maddux with loads of money, I think it's just Boras (Maddux's agent) trying to start a bidding war.
I guess Boras knows what he's doing... the Cubs upped the offer so now it's pretty much a lock Maddux will be going back to Chi-town.
Well, the Twins didn't get A-Rod, but at least we signed Dougie-Baseball to another couple years at First Base for us...
Jeff
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Spring Training baby, I have mixed feelings for this year, I expect the Twins to finish 3rd in the Central after Scrooge gutted the team (again)
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ANyone hear this...
Canseco or can't he?
Jose Canseco plans to try out for the Dodgers, 2½ years after his last appearance in the major leagues. The six-time All-Star will attend the Dodgers' open tryout on March 1. "Canseco's people called us," director of professional scouting Matt Slater said Feb. 24. "He's welcome to come." Canseco -- who won the 1988 AL MVP award and has 462 homers, 26th on the career list -- last played in the majors in 2001, when he hit .258 with 16 homers for the White Sox.
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I'm SHOCKED by this latest one
Bonds, Giambi, Sheffield and more said to have received 'roids (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1748786)
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Oh yeah this is a SHOCK ::) Dude's been on Steroids since the early 90's him and Sosa...
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Music to my ears... (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/baseball/mlb/03/04/bc.bbn.giants.bonds.ap/index.html)
I LOVE that Bonds is getting booed now. Beautiful! 8)