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Title: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: Scott on December 15, 2003, 10:08 AM
A rumor popped up in the Rebelscum forums that said Hasbro has plans to release Vintage Style figures in 2004. The plans for which are still sketchy however...could be rereleases ala the MOTU figures. Could be new never before done figures sculpted in a vintage style ala Tarkin, Cantina Band Member. Or it might be Prequel figures again sculpted in a vintage style. Sounds like a cool idea and we'll keep you posted if more news comes down the pipe.

http://forums.rebelscum.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=011606

Thoughts???
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: Darth Broem on December 15, 2003, 10:41 AM
Personally I would not mind them if they are Tarkin, Cantina Band Member, Vader (removeable helmet).  Stuff us old turds did not get when we were wee ones.  Or I could live with PT figures as well.   If it's going to be figures that were already released back in the day all over again then I don't care for it.  

I am sure it will create a hornet's nest either way if they are released.  

Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: Mainland05 on December 15, 2003, 10:41 AM
that would be awesome.
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: speedermike on December 15, 2003, 12:13 PM
I agree, if it's just rereleased figures from 77-85, big deal.  I've got them, and most people interseted in Vintage have them.  But of Hasbro makes new vinatge style sculpts of OT or PT figures, I'll be in SW heaven.
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: Scott on December 15, 2003, 02:51 PM
The GH Swami chimes in...

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Swami Sez: What's Old Is New Again
12/15/2003 10:53:03 AM | Reported by Mike

Don't call it a comeback. The Ghost of Kenner Past has visited our Galactic Swami and reveals some terrific news. Although only a few details are available at this time, Swami sez that along with the Original Trilogy DVD release next year, older fans will be able to rekindle some fond memories from their childhood toy chest.

Hasbro is planning on releasing a special collector edition run of Vintage style action figures in conjunction with the highly anticipated release of the Holy Trilogy DVD release in 2004. While based on figures from that era, these new versions will sport additional articulation and will come at a much higher pricepoint. We can expect some sort of retro style packaging as well.

That's all Swami has on these vintage re-issues for now. But if the success of Mattel's classic He-Man reissues are any indication, these neo-vintage figures should be hot.

Remember that nothing is confirmed until it comes from the mouth of Hasbro, but Swami will definitely have more news in the coming months!

Believe in The Power Of The Swami!
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Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: Jeff on December 15, 2003, 03:13 PM
So confused...

Brain hurting.

Uh.  Until I see these I don't know what to think.

They could be cool-retro swag, OR they could be straight vintage re-hash.

Hmmm... interesting.

For now, I'll just wait and see befor eI bash them.

Jeff

ps.
I'd have to agree w/OCB's comments from another site.  Those Classic 4-packs in 95/96 sat around here (MN) for a LONG time.  I remember seeing them in the clearance bin amongst the Xizors and Snoovas...
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: Jesse James on December 15, 2003, 04:07 PM
And I too would agree that the old 4-packs were pants and did NOT sell well.  They were marked down here as I recall even.  TRU takes its dear sweet time to do markdowns though, so it's no small thing to hear they cut the prices on that set.

I just don't see the mass interest in these that people think they may have...  

I personally would only have a SLIGHT interest in vintage-esque characters that weren't made in the vintage line.  A Grand Moff Tarkin for example, or Rebel Fleet Trooper...  Simple straight re-releasing vintage figures as they once were is of absolutely zero interest to me though.  It cheapens the whole idea of vintage collecting to me.  It also is catering to what I consider a slightly "lazy" demographic who want instant vintage gratification whereas others have been piecing collections together for years, and take pride in that.  

I hope this isn't too much of a big deal really, and that it just passes by us and we can forget about it.  I hate seeing resources go into things such as this when they could be going into the main modern lines where they're much more needed.  

If they'd perfected modern figures and were cranking out their 100% best quality on EVERY figure, I'd not care as much, but right now I think this is just one more thing to detract attention from the modern line and it's really unnecessary as well as rather uninteresting to me personally.
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: Scott on December 15, 2003, 04:10 PM
Personally, I'm a bit peeved at the snobbish attitude displayed by "vintage" collectors :D

I'm interested, I think having 12 backs or something like that would be neat, I'm not sure how I would display them.

I also think in the right quantities, these would sell just fine

I'd be interested in vintage style "new" figures as well...wait and see is all we can do I guess :-*
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: Darth Broem on December 15, 2003, 06:06 PM
Yeah, I have to recant on what I said.  I would be interested mainly to have the vintage cards if nothing else.  
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: Valtar on December 15, 2003, 06:13 PM
Well, I collect all the lines but I mostly collect Loose Figures as the Vintage line goes the main reason I posted this remark at RS :
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If this is true... I hope it's not but if it is, bet your *** I will be sending Hasbro a letter Cursing them.

Its not Right what they did to MOTU and if they do it to the Vintage Line I think I will Quit collectiong SW toys.

Is because I don't want to buy a Figure on E-bay thinking it is a Vintage and get it in the mail look it over and it be a new one...  And yes I can see people doing this as I have also alot of sellers have a statment in there auction saying ALL SALES FINAL and then you just get ripped.  Ok befor anyone gets offended Im a seller as well as a buyer.  I just forsee alot of none collecters comeing out of the woodwork and try and pull one over on the collecting community.

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Posted by: OCB

Personally, I'm a bit peeved at the snobbish attitude displayed by "vintage" collectors

My comments probley may not of been the proper thing to say,  but as a Loose collector on Vintage Items this concerns me.  I don't want to be had by someone with a brite idea on E-bay.  I'm sorry that OCB you feel that Vintage collectors are being snobbish about it,  Im sure everyone whom said something has there own reasons... Maybe you and others will understand why I feel the way I do now.  I don't say those things to be snobbish,  I say it for the future of Vintage collecting, and Im sorry if you or anyone else found my View as wrong it's just how I feel about it.   :-\
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: Jesse James on December 15, 2003, 06:15 PM
Some of the reaction at Scum's vintage section is a bit snobbish...  The reactions to the announcement aren't the problem so much as the reactions of people who simply don't want to see "outsiders" enter their beloved vintage section.

They have a # there who seem to do nothing but look down on customizers and modern collectors (-Dane- in particular, whoever he is), and that's not cool.  

Elitism in a hobby of nothing but "geeks & dorks" is like saying you're the best urinal cake in the entire men's room.
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: JediMAC on December 15, 2003, 07:07 PM
This is indeed an interesting development, with opinions all over the board regarding it...

I'm not interested at all in seeing re-releases (carded or loose) of any of the previous vintage figures, especially if they wind up as repros like that TRU 4-pack from about 5 years ago...  Didn't sell well at all, not to mention some of the more obvious concerns that people are expressing about folks who would try to pass these off as the "real thing".  I don't want to see any of the current vintage market materially altered by some new influx of repro vintage figures into the market.

Loose original vintage figures being offered is fine though, as in the recent Amazon sales.  Those are legitimate vintage figures, so I'm cool with that.  I don't want to see more articulated versions of the prior vintage figures though.  That blows their whole charm when you start messing with them with some of the more advanced figure making technology of today.

But I probably would be somewhat interested if Hasbro went and filled in a lot of Kenner's vintage line's holes, with vintage styled figures the likes of Tarkin, RFT, Slave Leia, RH Vader, Oola, Dagobah Luke, Stormtrooper Han, Garindan, etc...  That would be kinda cool I think.  Even if it does render obsolete some of the old vintage customs of those respective figures that I paid a rather pretty penny for back in the day...

I'm not at all excited about the idea of releasing vintage style Prequel figures though.  FORGET THAT CRAP.  Stick to the OT, if anything.  But if these are being released in conjunction with the OT DVDs, I'd have to guess that Hasbro's going to be sticking with the OT characters here.  Hopefully.

Whatever it is that comes from this announcement, it'll indeed be an interesting, if not controversial, twist to our current collections, I'm sure...

So, MisterPL, perhaps your vintage styled figure idea that we recently discussed, will be coming to fruition even sooner that you expected...  Good call!   ;)  Though I think you were mostly intimating the Prequel characters though, if I recall correctly...
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: Darby on December 15, 2003, 08:34 PM
This will certainly be interesting, however it turns out.  Like many others, I will only be interested if it's vintage style figs Kenner never did, like the aforementioned Tarkin, Slave Leia, Stormtrooper Han et al.  I'd also be hip to PT vintage style figs (Maul and Padme!) but that's it.  No re-issues, and no re-issues with added articulation.  
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: Scott on December 15, 2003, 09:06 PM
It wasn't directed at you Valtar at all...it was like Jesse said.  A backlash at the "modern collectors" don't belong in the Vintage section posting about modern reporductions of modern figures
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: Jesse James on December 15, 2003, 09:24 PM
Am I alone in finding it Ironic that Hasbro's been so laxidasical in making competitive levels of articulation in their modern line, and yet they'd possibly even consider improving the articulation in these vintage-esque guys?

I mean, a line that for all intents and purposes won't have any following from kids would have "improved articulation" which is something kids seem to like in their toys (And me too, but some of the best selling toy lines are heavily articulated).  I just find that odd, and that's one of the things I find irritating about it.

If they have the time/resources/desire to improve figures that are 20+ years old, why aren't they improving all figures in their modern line and drawing in more attention to it through better product?  

I for one would much rather have a Hoth Rebel Soldier from Saga who could hold his rifle and be posed standing at attention or running into combat, rather than a Vintage Hoth soldier who bends at the knees and elbows...  I just find that ironic and fairly backwards thinking on Hasbro's part.

Oh well, I'm off to play with my new Super Articulated Clone some more.  He's out whipping off my vintage figures right now.
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: CyberScout on December 15, 2003, 10:13 PM
I'll wait UNTIL I have seen what good ole Hasbro has in mind before I come to any conclusion but personally as it stands I think the idea stinks and have no interest in this at all.My thoughts pretty much shadow what Jesse and Matt have already said in its entirety.

Will it degrade the almighty vintage line and its elite followers in anyway? I dont think so. ::) I see it as a simple gimmick to boost sales of which I have no interest to take part in.
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: Valtar on December 15, 2003, 11:33 PM
Well, I love my Vintage... but on the other hand for the most part I love my New ones too.  If they make figures that should of been  made that never where in the OT then that maybe cool.  But as for as makeing re-issues of Figures that have already been made I am againt it.  I was really upset when they did that to MOTU, kinda made me feel like nothing is sacred and to this day I still see those MOTU Figures Hanging in Wal-marts and Toys R Us and everytime I turn around I see differant ones showing up.  Then I look at the ones I have and they are a copy of the Vintage in almost everyway.  

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It wasn't directed at you Valtar at all...it was like Jesse said.  A backlash at the "modern collectors" don't belong in the Vintage section posting about modern reporductions of modern figures

Got ya, OCB.   As for that, if they do happen to make these... I dont know if they would belong in the Vintage area or Modern,  they may need a new area just for them.   If you think about it they would only be done in vintage style they would still not be Vintage.  But still, I agree with everyone who has said it will be intresting to see where all of this goes.

I only pray that Hasbro does not try and ruin our Vintage Line with a bunch of repros. Thats my Main concern.

Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: Darby on December 16, 2003, 12:31 AM
I agree with Jesse that consistency is Hasbro's biggest blindspot in the modern line.  Whether it's articulation or sculpting, the pendulum swings too much for many of us.  
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: JediMAC on December 16, 2003, 03:42 AM
So RS has purportedly gotten a little more info on the matter, and is now saying there will be 12 figures in all - which could be a pretty cool nod to the original line to have them released as a complete, yet all new, set of "12-backs" again.  Supposedly there's going to be four figures from each movie.  They also mention 3 new 12" figures, likely to include a Luke and Boba Fett.  So, any guesses/hopes as to what we might see?  And don't you dare put anything from the Special Editions in this list!   ;)

Here's mine:

ANH:
1. Grand Moff Tarkin
2. Rebel Fleet Trooper
3. Stormtrooper Han Solo
4. Cantina Band Member

ESB: (this movie was covered pretty well by Kenner)
1. Removable Helmet Darth Vader
2. Dagobah Luke
3. Admiral Piett
4. Spirit of Obi-Wan
5. Hoth Han (Brown coat)   :P

ROTJ:
1. Slave Leia
2. Oola
3. Mon Mothma
4. Wedge Antilles Pilot

But for the most part, it was really ANH that got that shaft by Kenner, so I'd almost prefer to see all 12 come from that flick alone (aside for the Slave Leia).  Here'd be my ANH 12-back assortment:

1. Grand Moff Tarkin
2. Rebel Fleet Trooper
3. Stormtrooper Han Solo
4. Cantina Band Member
5. Sandtrooper (Orange Pauldron)
6. Uncle Owen
7. Aunt Beru
8. Garindan
9. Dr. Evazan
10. Wuher
11. Biggs Pilot
12. Ceremonial Luke
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12a. Admiral Motti
12b. Porkins
12c. Any one of the unmade Cantina aliens

Kind of a bummer to see the two sequels getting equal representation to ANH, when it's ANH that is in the most need of new figures.  Oh well.

On a seperate note, it doesn't sound like this could be at all related to the 12 rumored vintage Burger King glasses, but at 4 per movie, you've got to wonder...  But I seem to recall some Prequel characters being mentioned with those...  They're probably both just seperate pieces of the same OT on DVD marketing campaign though.  I wonder what else is in store for that...   8)
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: Jim on December 16, 2003, 08:00 AM
I too would love figures that never were made initially, but I guarantee that Hasbro will just rerelease existing vintage sculpts.  For one, young and old will buy them.  If they were figures that never were made first time around, then mostly older collectors will buy them, thus smaller sales. Something  Hasbro will defintely not let happen.
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: Scott on December 16, 2003, 08:56 AM
I thought about the Glass angle too Matt, the Glasses, HOF and now these Vintage things all mentioned 12 figures.  A tad bit confusing I guess
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: Force Guy on December 16, 2003, 09:25 AM
Some of the reaction at Scum's vintage section is a bit snobbish...  The reactions to the announcement aren't the problem so much as the reactions of people who simply don't want to see "outsiders" enter their beloved vintage section.

They have a # there who seem to do nothing but look down on customizers and modern collectors (-Dane- in particular, whoever he is), and that's not cool.  

Elitism in a hobby of nothing but "geeks & dorks" is like saying you're the best urinal cake in the entire men's room.

 ;D ;D ;D

I whole-heartedly agree with you JJ.   ;)

Personally, I'd very much like to see a short run of "new" vintage figures (i.e. vintage figs of new characters; Tarkin, Dr. Evazan, Duros, etc.).    
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: Darth Broem on December 16, 2003, 09:39 AM
I guess I need to see some picutures of what they have planned to make a better determination.  However, the idea of NEW vintage figures sounds the most appealing to me like Grand Moff Tarkin.  
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: Scott on January 29, 2004, 03:39 PM
More confirmation from Rebelscum

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A dozen new Classic Trilogy figures (as prevously reported by Rebelscum) "in the style of the vintage ones but not exactly the same" will be made available at the same time as the DVD launch.
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: JediMAC on January 29, 2004, 04:15 PM
So I guess we're all working under the assumption here that these 12 figures are going to be in a different "sub-line" than the other figures that are also being mentioned right now under the Original Trilogy Collection moniker, right?  Two different lines?

The OTC collection is purported to have vintage styled cards, so I can see where there could be a little confusion on the matter.  But the OTC product mentioned at SSG is the Dagobah wave, so I'd imagine that's going to be VERY different than some figures made in the old vintage style, as being discussed with these 12.  Therefore it looks safe to assume there's going to be two different OT lines running concurrently.

So the question is, will the 12 vintage styled figures mirror the original vintage figures from the 12-backs?  Or will Hasbro make the brilliant choice of giving us the missing vintage figures of Slave Leia, Tarkin, Wedge, Oola, etc. finally?  Hopefully the latter.  Either way, I'll be buying, 'cause I'm a sucker when it comes to supporting Hasbro and Lucas...   :P
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: Scott on January 29, 2004, 04:19 PM
I'd buy the latter for sure, I'd love a Tarkin, the former, meh, I'll have to play it by ear...not a carded collector, but if they were replicas of that great packaging, then sure

And I'll say that this is indeed something totally different, sort of like the Animated Clone Wars subline
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: speedermike on January 29, 2004, 04:57 PM
Original Trilogy Collection?

New "Vinatge" Style Collection?

Saga?

This all sounds like good stuff, but very confusing for retailers.

I wonder if the OTC "Dagobah" wave is taking up where "Saga" leaves off.  But where does that leave the prequels?
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: Scott on January 29, 2004, 05:04 PM
No doubt, add to that Episode III at the beginning of next year and you have 4 potential lines of figures.  I'm starting to wonder if these will be exclusives
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: JediMAC on February 15, 2004, 06:24 PM
Well, with Hasbro's recent announcement, and their showings at Toy Fair, the question of this mysterious "vintage" assortment has finally been answered!  As such, head on over to the New Vintage Assortment! (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?board=39;action=display;threadid=3722) thread to discuss it to your heart's content...

We'll go ahead and lock this one up in favor of the new one now.   8)