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Title: 2005 Toy Fair!
Post by: Vator on January 17, 2005, 10:28 PM
So, since Toy Fare is less than a month away...and given that Hasbros showing will most likely be Revenge-centric I thought it'd be appropriate to start a thread.

Anyway, who are ya'll sending off to this one?
Title: Re: American International Toy Fare: February the 20th-23rd, 2005
Post by: Jesse James on January 17, 2005, 10:56 PM
By now at Rebelscum, this thread would've had about 2 pages worth of replies of people just lecturing you on it being spelled "Toy Fair" and not "Toy Fare".  :)

And how one's a magazine, and one is an event.  Then someone would lock the thread and start one called "The Official International Toy Fair Thread, Part 2".  :P

Hopefully things will work out so stay tuned...

I'm always excited to see the various coverage of the event.  I also dig seeing the most "voice" from some smaller companies that I follow who usually keep pretty tight-lipped.  Since BBI and 21st are being especially bitter against each other lately, less and less comes from them just to keep up with the fans then, so that's disappointing.

Toy Fair and Comic-Con are about all ya got going for you then. :)

Anyway, should be some good stuff...  Lots of "official word" more than anything is what I'm looking forward to the most.  Maybe more excuses for things people werne't happy with *Cough*clones*cough*.

We'll see...  And j/k about the spelling thing...  Just making a funny observation about the obvious from "elsewhere".  ;)
Title: Re: American International Toy Fair: February the 20th-23rd, 2005
Post by: jokabofe on January 18, 2005, 07:05 PM
But, to answer your question Andrew, I will be going on behalf of Jedidefender.com. Or at least I hope I am. I'm just waiting for confirmation that my application was accepted.

I've got 2 digital cameras and several gigs worth of memory, so I'm ready, willing and able.
Title: Re: American International Toy Fair: February the 20th-23rd, 2005
Post by: Jesse James on January 18, 2005, 08:01 PM
There ya have it from the horse's mouth. :)  Dave's our man in the field...  Since I'm next closest I would dig going a year, but right now it's iffy with my schedule around Feb. every year.  :(  Hopefully sometime though I'll get there to help Dave out.
Title: Toy Fair 2005
Post by: Jeff on February 11, 2005, 10:00 AM
Well gang, Toy Fair 2005 is just around the corner...

Hasbro has plans to be there and they should have a good amount of new Episode 3 product to show off (although we've seen a fair bit already).  By this time next weekend, the details may already be rolling in!   :)

Anyone hoping to see anything in particular from Episode 3 at Toy Fair?

Anyone Have any comments to pass along to Hasbro?

Jeff
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Darth Broem on February 11, 2005, 11:15 AM
Not that it's a huge deal or a concern of mine.  But maybe ask them why they won't make a bendeable knees C-3PO. 
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: CHEWIE on February 11, 2005, 11:19 AM
Tell them we need a Death Star, Sail Barge, AT-TE, and Turbo Tank.  Then the world will be at peace with these weapons of mass destruction.   :)

 :P
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: speedermike on February 11, 2005, 08:33 PM
I'm usually excited about Toy Fair, but we really have seen so much that I can't imagine anything new there.  Maybe they will show the large X-Mas toys (Turbo Tank) and later figures, but we've been spoilt this year!
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Mister Skeezler on February 15, 2005, 02:18 PM
Spoil me, Hasbro, spoil me rotten!  8)
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: CHEWIE on February 15, 2005, 02:28 PM
I agree - we deserve to be spoiled rotten.  This is 99.9% surely the last Star Wars movie - go out with a bang.

 :P
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: SilverZ on February 15, 2005, 09:44 PM
I'm usually excited about Toy Fair, but we really have seen so much that I can't imagine anything new there.  Maybe they will show the large X-Mas toys (Turbo Tank) and later figures, but we've been spoilt this year!

I'm hoping to see a glimpse of the Christmas products as well, but I'm right with you in thinking we're going to see nothing more than what has already leaked for the April line launch. The only thing that comes to mind that we know nothing about still is the Mustafar playset. I have my fingers crossed that it turns out well.
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: starwax137 on February 17, 2005, 04:31 PM
 :P
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Pete_Fett on February 17, 2005, 05:17 PM
The hoping for two things:

1) A good look at the ARC-170 and the Mustafar playset. I hope both are done well but both could end up *bleh* - for the ARC-170 if it's been scaled down so much that it only accomodates ONE pilot, I will be VERY disappointed. With the playset, if they make it so it can be added to later like the Droid Factory section of the Arena playset, then I'll be okay with it, but if it's flimsy and gimmicky like the Theed Hangar playset then I'll be disappointed.

2) At least ONE item we hadn't heard solid confirmation of yet: Whether that be the AT-TE or the Turbo Tank, I don't really care which of the two really - I'm just really hoping that Hasbro will deliver on one of these larger vehicles.
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: starwax137 on February 17, 2005, 05:45 PM
could end up *bleh* - for the ARC-170 if it's been scaled down so much that it only accomodates ONE pilot, I will be VERY disappointed.

I agree.

 8)
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: starwax137 on February 17, 2005, 05:46 PM
The hoping for two things:

if it's flimsy and gimmicky like the Theed Hangar playset then I'll be disappointed.

Same here.
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: starwax137 on February 17, 2005, 05:47 PM
I'm just really hoping that Hasbro will deliver on one of these larger vehicles.

Me too.

 8)
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: starwax137 on February 17, 2005, 05:48 PM
Sorry, I'm just a tad on the bored (and loony) side right now. ::)

 8)
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Jesse James on February 17, 2005, 06:20 PM
The ARC-170's scale is gonna be a huge issue to me.  No excuse not doing it to-scale if they're willing to make the Gunship from last year. 

I'm fearful of any scale cutbacks honestly.

The Mustafar playset I'm intrigued with.  Sets can be something Hasbro could do incredibly well without compromising accuracy/scale.  They need an interlocking (and stackable, in situations) feature but, this could be an area that they excel in.

Vehicles are another story...  While I love when Hasbro does it right (TIE Bomber, Landspeeder), I am so let down when they do it wrong (TIE Fighter, X-Wing, Snowspeeder, Y-Wing, AT-ST)...  The vehicles, in some sense, are like the 12" figures.  They get the shaft as far as the effort put into them and how competitive they are on the shelf next to other toylines.

Most of my top resculpts are classic trilogy vehicles, but the ARC-170's a ship that (if done poorly) I'm sure is gonna make my resculpt list.  To me, it should be to-scale, no pack-ins, and no more than $40 given how many outlets are sure to carry it and its assumed high production #'s.

When you walk into a store and there's a to-scale ME-109, Mustang, or P-38, and then a dinky starfighter next to it, it's a disappointment.  Hasbro needs to "wow!" with this ship in my opinion.  And they can given that not only are they gonna be pushing it through a lot of retailers and making a ton of them, but there's inevitable repaint options for it later.
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: JediMAC on February 17, 2005, 07:09 PM
I agree.

 8)

Same here.

Me too.

 8)

Sorry, I'm just a tad on the bored (and loony) side right now. ::)

 8)

Starwax, would you please start using your "Modify" button (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/Themes/classic/images/english/modify.gif) when you have multiple, very brief thoughts you wish to add nearly simultaneously.  Please also use it to make edits when you're immediately clarifying or altering something you just said, which I've also seen you doing through multiple posts as well.  We just don't want a bunch of one-liner posts that contribute nothing to the discussions around here, so please try to pick it up a little in the content department.

Thanks.

- Matt
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: SilverZ on February 17, 2005, 10:41 PM
I don't see the ARC-170 having a scale issue if it's in the same assortment as the Gunship, really, if the preview Starfighter is used as an indicator. It's pretty big and full featured for its 20 dollar price tag, I think. Notch it 10 bucks and we should (dammit, we'd better) get something along the lines of the PFX Xwing in scale.

But there's a lot to cram into that ship for it to be cool. To be done right, it requires movable turrets, cockpits and canopies, S-foils, landing gear, and a gratuitous firing missile feature. That's where I'm worried Hasbro will do its cost-shaving.   

I'm starting to put my money on the Turbo Tank as the big-ticket vehicle for the year. Not that that's what I want, but I'm starting to get this gut feeling Hasbro can't resist the easy design of the ship, with big, cheap wheels, and the opportunity to slap a motor in it and make it an RC vehicle. As a generic toy it is probably more appealing than an AT-TE will ever be. I can imagine kids being thrilled to drive a big-ass tank around the Christmas tree, knocking over clone armies, more than I can envision them playing with an AT-TE, not matter how cool we collectors think the design is. The play factor goes to the TT, no doubt.
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: SilverZ on February 18, 2005, 12:42 AM
(http://www.starwars.com/collecting/news/hasbro/20050218_picview/img/5.jpg)

Well, there it is. Meh.

(http://www.starwars.com/collecting/news/hasbro/20050218_picview/img/3.jpg)

Looks good to me.
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Scott on February 18, 2005, 12:44 AM
(http://www.starwars.com/collecting/news/hasbro/20050218_picview/img/4.jpg)

Why is VOTC Vader in there?
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Jesse James on February 18, 2005, 01:23 AM
Cuz he's the ****, that's why. :)

Uhm, or maybe a stand-in for something?  i dunno.  That's weird.

Anyway,

Quote
we should (dammit, we'd better) get something along the lines of the PFX Xwing in scale.

That's what I'm actually worried about Jared.  :(  The FX X-Wing was a good bit smaller than a to-scale one would be so it disappoints me...  It used to not actually, but as time has worn on and I've gotten a P-47 Fighter that IS 1:18, I just looka t the X-Wing with disappointment.  :(

I can't tell by those pics how big the toy is, nor how big the actual ship SHOULD be.  I guess it's something I may not know till I get some diagram book giving the length of it, or something "official" about the ARC-170 comes out.  Something of the pic from Hasbro makes me say it's small, but I dunno...  It's a tough one to eyeball.

The pics are looking nice though...  VOTC Vader's probably there as their tour guide.  Then they get used to being figure greatness and all that. ;)
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: JesseVader08 on February 18, 2005, 02:37 AM
(http://www.starwars.com/collecting/news/hasbro/20050218_picview/img/5.jpg)

Well, there it is. Meh.


Geez, it looks down right lame to me.  But it's tough to really judge it by this picture.  We'll see I guess, I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: SilverZ on February 18, 2005, 03:43 AM
I can definitely see where you're coming from now, Jesse. If you're shooting for true scale on the hero ships they're not going to match up. But from the little pic there, the ship does look bigger than the Jedi ships, so feasibly should fit figures in both front and rear compartments, and that will be just fine for me. But just to add some further doubt, the OS description says this:

Quote
The mighty Incom/Subpro Aggressive ReConnaissance starfighter (ARC-170) has an impressive wingspan of 22.85 meters, is armed with two medium laser cannons, two aft blaster cannons, six proton torpedoes and carries a crew of three plus an astromech droid.

Fits four figures? Hmmm, probably not.

That must be  the Ep3 Vader, right? He's supposed to have soft goods, and I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't 90% VOTC parts, just like the "Wookiee Rage" Chewbacca.

I’m stuck buying that playset now, since it seems to come with Obi and Vader figures, dammit. They sort of look like they are Vs. figures, like the Anakin/Dooku set. I smell suck happening here.
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Ben on February 18, 2005, 03:53 AM
Why is there a door leading into a base of a volcano? It seems that would be the last place one would want to be during an eruption.

I'll probably buy it anyway.  :P
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Darby on February 18, 2005, 04:35 AM
Hee.   Mustafar Playset: Includes Obi Wan and DARTH VADER.  Hee.    ;D
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: JediMAC on February 18, 2005, 05:04 AM
Are you reading that off the box, Darb?  If so, nice catch!  I can't really make it out on my crappy laptop screen here.  Definitely seems like that puts the nail in that issue, that Scott speculated on a couple months ago, IIRC...

Gotta agree the thing looks kinda goofy though.  I think it's the plastic silly-string looking pink lava that makes it suck so bad.  Looks terrible.  Hopefully it'll be better in person though...
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Jesse James on February 18, 2005, 07:30 AM
A 50" wingspan is my estimation (rough) on a "true-scale" ARC Fighter then.  :(

I'm gonna make a big guess at "no" on that one then...  4 figures?  I think it'd be amazing if it held 2 actually.

This looks to be SEVERELY underscaled.  I'm not surprised, but given how wingspan's collapsable in packaging, it's a crock of **** that it isn't to-scale.  No reason it can't be...  My P-38's HUGE, and was around $50.

The only packaging bulk would be the hull...  I'm kinda on a downer now.  Oh well.

Good figures, ****-tacular ships.  50/50's a better rate than what the 3.75" line was doing this time 3 years ago. :)
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Darth Broem on February 18, 2005, 08:06 AM
Well guys and gals I think we are seeing here why Hasbro does not make more playsets.  Sorry, but it just looks a little blah to me.  Maybe it does something cool that we don't know of but by looking at that picture I am not impressed.  Not sure what I was hoping for but not that. 

I think the ARC ship looks really nice.  I just like the look of that vehicle from the ROTS pictures regardless.  I will try to get that I think. 

The figures look pretty nice loose.  Looking forward to more pics and info later. 

Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Paul on February 18, 2005, 08:53 AM
On the figures....and keep in mind, and I freely admit that I'd don't buy prequels (or even acknowledge their existence)....but....second shelf from the bottom...the removable helmet Clonet trooper..is that a Stormtrooper Helmet as well as a ROTS Clone Trooper helmet?

The ships look cool and might get worked into my Star Wars universe like the Republic Gunship (Blackhawk) did...but when Jesse Pops my balloon about scale..I mean within the span of a year other companies will introduce accurate scaled Jet Fighters, Twin Engine Fighter/bombers, Mustangs, M1 Abrahms tanks and even a Stagecoach...I'd think Hasbro could make a litte more effort.  Or if Lucas had enough fore-though into his little cash-cow he would have made the ship smaller in the CGI world so that it would translate to toys better...

And when I first saw the picture of the Playset, I thought is was "Doh Doh Island" the playdoh set that my daughter has....I'll have to judge that after I see it in person.
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Jesse James on February 18, 2005, 09:04 AM
Ya know what Jared, I'm gonna call bull**** on the Official site's "22.85 meter" number currently.  I was looking at 50" on a tape measure and comparing... 

Then I was looking at ARC screen shots and a pilot's head in a cockpit bubble...  It ain't adding up just eyeballing it.  Sounds like the Official Site's full of official **** and is maybe over-estimating this.  I could very well be wrong, but 50" is HUUUUUUUUUGE for a wingspan.  We're talking massive for a "fighter".

That's the length given for some OT fighters I think.

I'm wondering if that's a site misprint or if specs/diagrams will alter this...

The ****** thing about Star Wars sources is that they're inaccurate often.  The AT-AT on the official site lists it at like 15 meters or so I think, and the movies prove it's nowhere near that small.  That the number is off by 5 or 6 meters at least. 

With this crap being CGI more often than not, it makes it 1000 times more difficult to say that "this is this long" because a physical model isn't there where an ILM Model-Builder can say "we built it to such and such scale, then changed that number, etc..."

So I'm not gonna judge the ship just yet, but the toy's pictures make me think it's underscaled just eyeballing the two.  The 22.85m number's gonna about solidify that if that's an accurate figure, but I'm not sure that the Official Site has their **** together on that one.  I'll wait for final judgment but things just don't look good on my end...  The toy's hull area looks ok until the nose...  The wings, it's tough to tell, and there's not a ton of ARC Shots out there.

Anyone wanna post any REAL clear screen captures of them that they happen to have? :)
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Jeff on February 18, 2005, 09:32 AM
Initial thoughts on these pictures...

ARC-170 - so far, I'm digging it.  Can't wait to see some better pictures of it to figure out how many figures can go for a ride...

Mustafar - no wonder no one's been leaking pictures of that thing, it's pretty lame.  Let's hope the back side of the Volcano doesn't suck too hard.  But, like Jared said I guess I end up buying it once it's on clearance thanks to my basic figure OCD.   :-\

Vs 2-packs - looking dumber and dumber every time I see them... I'm starting to wonder if they come off those giant ugly bases?

I can't wait to see some close-ups of those figures... what exactly is the deal with the 2 helmets for the AT-TE Gunner dude?  Is it like a standard Clone Helmet and then a AT-TE Gunner Helmet or something?   :-\

Jeff
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Jesse James on February 18, 2005, 09:34 AM
Mustafar - no wonder no one's been leaking pictures of that thing, it's pretty lame.  Let's hope the back side of the Volcano doesn't suck too hard.  But, like Jared said I guess I end up buying it once it's on clearance thanks to my basic figure OCD.

Am I the only one thinking about stealing a 3rd grade science project instead of buying that?  Slap a door on...  hell the Endor Bunker playset even. 

Voila!

EDIT:

BTW, I think it's perhaps a gunner's helmet Jeff.  Seems reasonable speculation right now anyway...

And on the ARC issue, there's a production sketch at SW.com and it looks closer to the toy, possibly.  Sketches are always all over the place sometimes though.
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Brian on February 18, 2005, 09:44 AM
Nice to get a little "preview", with hopefully loads of pictures to come over the weekend.  Some thoughts....

Basic Figures - We've probably gotten some looks at the majority of these already the way it looks, but I'm always anxious to see some closer, different shots that we get during Toy Fair.  Looks like a nice mix of figures coming up, and most everything has looked pretty good I think.  Looking forward to seeing the pics of these, all of the clones look amazing to me.

ARC 170 - Looks pretty good, even if not to scale.  These are the types of ships I enjoy the most...the "fighters", I'm pretty certain I'll be picking it up, but can't wait to see more pics.

Mustafar Playset - From the initial viewing, not too impressive.  Not really what I was expecting at all.  I ended up passing on the Arena playset last time around (didn't have the room), but thought about making room for this one.  Maybe it will look better once we see some more pics/features, but right now, not too cool.

Vs Packs - Yikes, I agree, not too good.  When I first heard the concept of these, I thought they would be awesome....but now, like I mentioned another time, they just remind me of that Episode I "Maul vs. Qui Gon" battle game that my sister in law got me when it went on Christmas.  Just bash them together until one falls off.  Hopefully they are better than that.

Just a side note...not that I'm surprised...but looks like no semblance of OT offerings at all, at least not as far as this "preview" is concerned.  Maybe they'll surprise us and put out some other figures throughout the Fair.  I didn't expect much (or any), with the new movie coming out, but I wonder if we'll see anything this year...maybe towards Christmas/end of 05.
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Famine on February 18, 2005, 09:51 AM
I'm loving the ARC fighter, but we shall see how that pans out. The clones look frickin amazing, and I hope we get some more real soon, like say, I don't know, a multi pack?

That Mustufar looks horrid. Absolutley horrid. I suppose it looks awsome as all hell to a 4 or 5 year old, but for me, the 18 year old collector, it just doesn't cut the cheese.

I'm still up in the air myself about the VS packs. If I get them, and they suck, theyre either being returned, sold, or used for custom fodder. I really don't like the looks of things for those.

I do like the giant card back that they are using to greet you at Toy Fair.

Kevin
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: CHEWIE on February 18, 2005, 10:30 AM
Mustafar - what a letdown, yet I'll get it - I want more playsets so bad that I'll get it, and will repaint it big time

ARC 170 - no complaints here - I'll get one right off the bat and a second a little later

2-pks - want to see some better images, and I'm sure they come off their bases.  If not, I'll make them come off.   ;)

 :P
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Pete_Fett on February 18, 2005, 12:20 PM
Well - I'm going to respond to my own post based on what we've seen from Hasbro's site...

1) A good look at the ARC-170 and the Mustafar playset. I hope both are done well but both could end up *bleh* - for the ARC-170 if it's been scaled down so much that it only accomodates ONE pilot, I will be VERY disappointed. With the playset, if they make it so it can be added to later like the Droid Factory section of the Arena playset, then I'll be okay with it, but if it's flimsy and gimmicky like the Theed Hangar playset then I'll be disappointed.

The ARC-170 looks good - I haven't gotten as good of a look at it as I'd like, but I like the packaging AND I like the fact that it looks like it will accomodate at least two pilots - I don't see an Astromech in the ship that's hanging - but that could be a GOOD thing - it might mean the ship simply has a socket that will acctually ACCOMODATE an R2 unit!

The Mustafar playset is, as I feared, small, looks lame and some of those areas sticking off to the side of the volcano look a bit flimsy. I guess they're limited on what they can do and keep the price point under $50. I'm a tad bit concerned that the Obi-Wan and Anakin figures might be permanently attached to those large disks - they are displayed that way AND they are shown that way on the packaging. Something tells me that this playset only really covers the climax of the final fight - notice how on the packaging it looks like one of the lava-flows looks like a slide? I can see it now...

"Hey kids, re-inact Anakin's painful dip in a river of lava! Place your Anakin figure at the top of the Mustafar playset and watch him slide his way to his bionic future as the evil Darth Vader!"  ::)

2) At least ONE item we hadn't heard solid confirmation of yet: Whether that be the AT-TE or the Turbo Tank, I don't really care which of the two really - I'm just really hoping that Hasbro will deliver on one of these larger vehicles.

Well - unfortunately NEITHER of these vehicles is on display. UGH! Perhaps they are going to take a "Wait and See" approach to see how well the line sells.
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: CHEWIE on February 18, 2005, 12:45 PM
Yeah.... I hope an AT-TE is on taps...

 :P
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Jeff on February 18, 2005, 12:53 PM
I hope we do end up seeing an AT-TE. 

It looks like a good possibility because of the AT-TE Gunner figure, but like others have said just because you get the figure doesn't mean the vehicle is coming anytime soon.  After all, we're still waiting for a Cloud Car for the Cloud Car Pilot figure, a Death Star Playset for the DS Gunner figure, etc, etc.  :-\

So, I'm not holding my breath for the AT-TE just in case it never shows...

Jeff
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Scott on February 18, 2005, 02:35 PM
(http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/images/news/toyfair05_05.jpg)

Lame, although it reminds me of one of my favorite all time playsets

(http://www.kintsang.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Images/MASK/MSK1001_300.jpg)

Cool beyond all words
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Holographic Elvis on February 18, 2005, 02:47 PM
I just noticed in that pic that the packaging for the Mustafar playset says "Includes Obi-Wan Kenobi and Darth Vader!"  More proof that Anakin gets the name before he gets the suit.
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on February 18, 2005, 03:59 PM
unless there is more than we're seeing, the mustafar set is just not hitting it.  :(
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: JediMAC on February 18, 2005, 07:45 PM
I'm just not as pumped for Toy Fair this year in general, I think mostly because there's basically ZERO new Original Trilogy stuff on tap, which is always a disappointment.  Granted, I realize this will likely pan out much like the Saga line did, with the emphasis on the current movie, and the OT stuff filtering out late in the year.  I can wait, I just won't be getting super pumped on the ROTS showing this weekend in NY.  Besides, most of it we've already seen.  I want some cool surprises, dammit!

I just noticed in that pic that the packaging for the Mustafar playset says "Includes Obi-Wan Kenobi and Darth Vader!"  More proof that Anakin gets the name before he gets the suit.

Yeah, that's what I mentioned in another thread here last night somewhere.  Definitely a big give away there.  Looks like Scott had that theory nailed all along!
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Diddly on February 18, 2005, 08:01 PM
Are those free Anakin/Obi-Wan playset figs non-articulated? :-\
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: CHEWIE on February 19, 2005, 11:36 AM
The Mustafar playset looks like a letdown, but I'm still getting it.

I wonder what we might see at Toy Fair that is new.... imagine if we get to see an AT-TE or Turbo Tank! 

Or perhaps the 500th figure - Vader in Meditation Chamber?

 :P
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: SilverZ on February 19, 2005, 07:04 PM
And the ARC-170 is mysteriously missing from all the pics online all of a sudden. Did they pull it from the floor?
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Nicklab on February 19, 2005, 07:10 PM
Check it out here (http://www.thejawa.com/nuke/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10007/arc170.jpg)
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: jokabofe on February 19, 2005, 07:53 PM
I just posted about 70 or so pics from today's Hasbro showing... they can be seen here (http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/imageFolio.cgi?direct=Conventions/Toy_Fair_2005). And don't forget to check back tomorrow when the rest of the show opens up.
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Darby on February 19, 2005, 08:35 PM
My impressions so far:

Love the ARC-170, not so much the playset.

Agen Kolar apparently has a completely removable robe - custom robe Obi Wan and Mace on tap 4/2!   ;D

The battle arena things are a huge disappointment.

On the whole, it's looking pretty good.  Can't wait.
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Pete_Fett on February 19, 2005, 10:28 PM
The ARC-170 has a droid socket! YEAH!!!!!

I am happy now!  :) :) :) :)

Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Vator on February 19, 2005, 10:51 PM
I really love the ARC-170! I'll take 2!
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: jokabofe on February 19, 2005, 10:53 PM
My impressions so far:

Love the ARC-170, not so much the playset.

Agen Kolar apparently has a completely removable robe - custom robe Obi Wan and Mace on tap 4/2!   ;D

The battle arena things are a huge disappointment.

On the whole, it's looking pretty good.  Can't wait.

Yeah, the playset was a big disappointment IMO. It was just so.... lame. And small. If that's Hasbro's idea of a big playset, then they need to get some new measuring devices.

And in case anyone cares, I put some pics of the Press Kit that was given out today up on the main page.
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: jokabofe on February 19, 2005, 11:10 PM
One thing I forgot to mention that I though was a little odd was the 12" figure selection. They had the Anakin/Vader packaged/boxed sample, and then an Emperor Palpatine and a Clone Trooper of some sort, and that was it. No mention of Barriss or Luminaria, even though they have already snuck onto ebay.
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Morgbug on February 19, 2005, 11:19 PM
Nice articles and pics, both Dave and Nick.  Sort of a let down from Hasbro, but only in the sense that so much had already been revealed beforehand.  No really grand surprises here. 

That press kit is very nice though, I'd happily pick one up, but doubt it will happen.
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: CorranHorn on February 20, 2005, 12:41 AM
dave, cool job on the pics from toy fair, there looked to be some neat things there. the majority of the figures look great, maybe you can confirm this. from the looks in your shots, the ROTS Vader, Chewie, and R2 all appear to be modified versions of the VOTC figures, is that true?

I thought the playset looked interesting, yes the scale is likely not proper, but one cant expect Hasbro to do it now if they haven't done so in the last decade. adding the two figures will help sell the item. the ARC-170 fighter looks wicked cool, but what's up with the long cannon on the right wing?

and what was the story with the Jedi Force toy that looked like a female X-Wing pilot riding a speeder bike?

cheers!
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Darby on February 20, 2005, 12:46 AM
Yes, thanks Dave for the pics and reports.  I'm still waiting to hear about the AT-TE and what else Hasbro might have in store for us later in the year (more Padmes?)
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: darkksith on February 20, 2005, 05:49 AM
jokabofe or nicklab, does the anakin skywalker #2 lightsaber attack fig come with a hand accesory that does not have a lightsaber permanently attached? it looks like the sabers in the pics are attached to his hand unlike the anakin included in the toy fair press kit. and i also assume the darth vader #11 obviously has a removable lightsaber. thanks.
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Pete_Fett on February 20, 2005, 07:59 AM
jokabofe or nicklab, does the anakin skywalker #2 lightsaber attack fig come with a hand accesory that does not have a lightsaber permanently attached? it looks like the sabers in the pics are attached to his hand unlike the anakin included in the toy fair press kit. and i also assume the darth vader #11 obviously has a removable lightsaber. thanks.

I'm not sure where I saw the picture, but Anakin #2 comes with:

1) Right hand
2) Unlit lightsaber hilt
3) Right hand with blue lightsaber sculpted in
4) Right hand with red lightsaber sculpted in

I couldn't find the picture where I saw this first, but here is a link to the RS picture of the figure from Toy Fair: http://toyfair.rebelscum.com/2005/hasbro/IMG_6704.JPG (http://toyfair.rebelscum.com/2005/hasbro/IMG_6704.JPG)
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Nicklab on February 20, 2005, 08:05 AM
In general, many of the figures who wield lightsabers come with multiple hands.  One hand may have a lightsaber molded in, the other may not.  It's something of a new trend for this year. 
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Pete_Fett on February 20, 2005, 08:14 AM
If you meant Anakin (figure III-28), I apologize, when I saw the #2, I just assumed you meant Anakin (figure III-2) from the first wave of Collection 1.

If you meant figure III-28, if you check out this picture from GH, you'll see that this one comes with a separate lightsaber as an accessory and no hand with lightsaber molded into it... http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/3940-anakinskywalker.jpg (http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/3940-anakinskywalker.jpg)

Sorry if I caused any confusion....
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Brian on February 22, 2005, 08:36 AM
Thanks for the great pics and coverage jokabofe and Nicklab.  I always enjoy this time of the year, just going over the various pictures and seeing what is coming up.  Granted, not too much new (due to all the leaks the past few weeks), but still nice to see the figures in a different perspective and everything.  I personally think the ARC 170 fighter looks pretty spiffy, and I'm really looking forward to it.  The figures that we saw (and have seen) all look pretty great too, and there were even a few surprises with the new "Jedi Force" figures.  I'm wondering if we'll see any reports from talking with the Hasbro reps about what is coming later in the year, whether we'll see any OT product at all, and things like that.  I see that it is possible we might be getting further Animated Clone Wars figures, if the report over at TheJawa.com is true.  I was kind of hoping we might get a peek at the rumored "500th Vader", but I guess we have been spoiled the past few weeks with all the pics and information already :).  Thanks again for the work guys, much appreciated.
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Brian on February 22, 2005, 10:24 AM
I was just kind of noticing that some of the figures seen in Hasbro's official "preview" shot (basic figures), weren't seen in the actual coverage (like they were taken out, some figures rearranged):

(http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/images/news/toyfair05_04.jpg)

Such as...the Clone Commander (Commander Bly), the Tank Gunner Clone, and the cloaked Grievous, to name a few.  I wonder why that is?  Maybe they will show them later in the Fair.  No big deal, since we have seen pics of them anyways, but just curious.
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Pete_Fett on February 22, 2005, 02:22 PM
I was just kind of noticing that some of the figures seen in Hasbro's official "preview" shot (basic figures), weren't seen in the actual coverage (like they were taken out, some figures rearranged):

Such as...the Clone Commander (Commander Bly), the Tank Gunner Clone, and the cloaked Grievous, to name a few.  I wonder why that is?  Maybe they will show them later in the Fair.  No big deal, since we have seen pics of them anyways, but just curious.

My first instinct was that release dates had something to do with it, but then they left figures like Vader's medical droid (III-37) and the Polis Massan medic (III-39), which are higher in number than the Clone Commander (III-33). They also removed Mas Amedda (III-40) from the display. If they had also taken Vader's Medical Droid and the Polis Massan then the highest numbered figure on display would be Aayla Secura (III-32).
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Brian on February 22, 2005, 02:32 PM
Yeah, that is sort of what I was thinking at first too.  It just seems strange to me that the Hasbro reps would even bring those figures along, let alone set them up at first, only to take them down before any outlets photographed them.  I would think they would be more organized than that, to show up and say "oops, we weren't supposed to bring these figures, better hide them".  Then again, you never know :).
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Pete_Fett on February 22, 2005, 02:40 PM
Yeah, that is sort of what I was thinking at first too.  It just seems strange to me that the Hasbro reps would even bring those figures along, let alone set them up at first, only to take them down before any outlets photographed them.  I would think they would be more organized than that, to show up and say "oops, we weren't supposed to bring these figures, better hide them".  Then again, you never know :).

The one thing to keep in mind is that there are two audiences for Toy Fair - the press (like our intrepid JediDefender reporters) and major chain toy purchasers. The second group is the group Toy Fair is REALLY all about. This is where Hasbro makes sure that every major retail outlet is going to have PLENTY of this stuff come April 2nd and the display is to show those toy buyers what they're getting and how cool the stuff is and how well kids will respond to it, etc....So stuff shown to the press could be (slightly) different to the stuff shown to the reps from the major retailers.

Another possibility could simply be that the toy buyer for a chain like Walmart came through after the StarWars.com pics were taken but BEFORE the press came through and before the Walmart toy buyer left, they said "Hey - can I have a couple of those?" and the Hasbro rep gave him a couple of figures but didn't let him take any main characters.

I know, I know - sounds a little too much like a conspiracy theory - but the Hasbro reps are salesmen/women and they're going to do whatever it takes to keep the guy/gal from WalMart happy. Anything is possible, you just never know...
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Vator on February 23, 2005, 04:22 PM
So I suppose there were no questions asked of Hasbro this go around? Kinda disapointing, I always have liked that.
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: CHEWIE on February 23, 2005, 05:59 PM
Hmmm... when the hell are they making the Sail Barge.   :)

 :P
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Darby on February 23, 2005, 11:47 PM
Or... where is Dorme?   ;)
Title: Re: Toy Fair 2005 - Feb 19th-23rd
Post by: Jesse James on February 24, 2005, 12:48 AM
Toy Fair tends to not have the best Q&A's come out of it...  Not a lot of "new" stuff generally, even the toys displayed aren't all that new to most people anymore...  A lot of the people working are more or less sales people rather than actually involved in R&D within the license itself...  SDCC's been much more fruitful as far as information over the last couple years.

TF was a bust for a lot of companies as far as really generating interest I thought.  The big news was the Press Kit Vader/Anakin.  Funny how the exclusive always gets the bright lights.