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Title: VOTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Scott on May 30, 2005, 09:25 PM
At least according to the Swami

No real confirmations on anything we didn't already know though such as the TIE Fighter Matt told us about last Comic Con (http://www.jedidefender.com/newspro/fullnews.cgi?newsid1091033503,80202,) and the Tonnika Sisters

Peer in to the Crystal Ball (http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/templates/full_article_template_1.asp?articleid=4517&zoneid=2)
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Diddly on May 30, 2005, 09:30 PM
I was just about to post this! I'm so excited. I'd love to see more VOTC figures, hopefully we get cool stuff like SA Scout Troopers and Snowtroopers, SA Admiral Ackbar, a NEW Bib Fortuna. Sadly, I see more Han/Luke/Leia resculpts and/or repaints. :-\
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Scott on May 30, 2005, 11:27 PM
I have a list of 12 VOTC I'd like to see done (and not limited to the original Vintage run either)

Grand Moff Tarkin
R5-D4
Hem Dazon
Uncle Owen

Bespin Luke
General Veers
Major Bren Derlin
Snowtrooper SA

Han Solo (Endor)
Scout Trooper SA
Chief Chirpa
Leia Boushh
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: CorranHorn on May 31, 2005, 12:41 AM
ya know I'm not sure I want to see VOTC return. sure we got cool figures and sweet looking cardbacks, but it would be another excuse for Hasbro to overcharge on $5 figures. The VOTC line was cool for the one time deal, but it's time to put it away and just work on superior figures at the $5 price range.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Brian on May 31, 2005, 09:02 AM
I'm hoping we see some sort of combination of that as well, VOTC "style" figures on regular $5-$6 pricepoint cards.  The vintage repo cards would be great too, but if cutting the clamshell out would save a few bucks, that would be fine with me.  I'm excited to hear that the VOTC, or some form of it, might be returning in 2006...as well as the OTC style line.  I am guessing that means more repacks, something that Mike from GH said as well in the forums over there.  I guess after the success of the initial OTC line, that is to be expected.  As long as the ratio of new to repacked figures is a little better, I don't mind too much I guess.

The thought of them redoing the entire vintage line in VOTC style is pretty cool, although I'm not sure that will happen.  We might see more of them, but some figures (Cloud Car Pilot, Lando Skiff, etc.) have just recently gotten figure remakes that are pretty much as good as they need to be.  Maybe those will be repacked if they are indeed doing each character from the vintage line.  And, as much as I like the OT, I don't see them totally cutting out prequel figures next year either.  We'll probably see a combination of things, which would be cool.  Maybe VOTC "style" figures, on normal OTC style cardbacks, with characters (new and repacked) from each of the six movies included.  Either way, it is just exciting to hear about some news looking towards 2006.

I like the figure thoughts many of you have already thrown out there.  I'd really like to see nice, VOTC style versions the main characters like Han, Luke, and Leia (particularly Endor of all three, Stormtrooper Han/Luke, and possibly repack the earlier VOTC versions as well if necessary).  Have some more super articulated troop figures (ala VOTC Stromie) put out there, like the Snowtroopers and Biker Scouts.  Then finish out the line with other supporting characters, I know I'd really like to see a new "old" Tarkin now as well.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Darth Broem on May 31, 2005, 09:09 AM
It would be great to see the return of both VOTC and OTC.

Personally I would like to at least see these for VOTC:  

POTF with Coin - Luke Stormtrooper and Han Solo with Carbonite or even Luke Poncho, Imperial Dignitary (won't sell but like to see it)

ROTJ - Bib Fortuna, Emperor, Han Endor Trench Coat, Leia Poncho or Boush

ESB - AT-AT Commander, Snowtrooper, Luke Bespin, Han Bespin

ANH - Tusken Raider, Hammerhead, Ponda Baba, Greedo - I know that is too many cantina guys but that is what I would like to see. 


For OTC:  
 
Tonnika Sisters, R5-D4, Hem Dazon, Cliff from Cheers, Chief Chirpa, Hermi Odle, Yarna...among others we have not had before or need a resculpt like Tarkin.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: DoctorPadawan on May 31, 2005, 10:11 AM
If they do decide to do the complete vintage run in VOTC form, that will more than likely be the point where I give up collecting the 4" line altogether.  I agree with Corran that it is seemingly a way for Hasbro to charge 10 dollars a figure as opposed to 5 dollars, and I just can't get excited about yet another version of Hoth Luke or the Emperor at this point (especially with the Evolutions Palpatine looking damn near perfect).

If they want to do VOTC-level quality figures at the 5 dollar price point, that would be fine.  Hey, most of the Collection 2 ROTS figures are already at or beyond VOTC quality at a 5 dollar price point.  I'm beginning to think that the elevated pricepoint for the Target Exclusive Clone *was* an attempt to gauge market reaction to a higher price point (even Hasbro's 9.99 SRP was at VOTC levels), and we bought into it.

So yeah, if it comes to pass that VOTC returns in a big way and the basic figure line is just repacks, I think I'll be offering my entire collection to anyone willing to give me a good price for it and willing to come pick it up.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Darth Broem on May 31, 2005, 10:59 AM
Why would you get rid of your entire collection that you already have because VOTC would be $10?  I am not understanding that part of your post? 
Title: Post ROTS-New VOTC
Post by: speedermike on May 31, 2005, 11:50 AM
I was reading the "Swami" over at another site, and he said that the VOTC will come back next year.  While I'm gald we may be getting some great new sculpts, what I'd really like to see is figures not released by Kenner.

I would love to see a VOTC style Tarkin , on a brand new, old style card.  He was one figure we always dreamed of a kids.  I think that the Sandtrooper, or the Rebel Fleet Trooper would be great additions too.

I'd also love to see some prequel charcters in the mix.  I SA Qui-Gon on a vinatge style card would be lots of fun.

Any comments?
Title: Re: Post ROTS-New VOTC
Post by: Pete_Fett on May 31, 2005, 11:58 AM
I would have preferred that Hasbro expand the quality offered in the VOTC line to the entire line itself.

The Evolutions sets which are essentially 3 VOTC quality figures for $19.99 shows us that they can accomplish great articulation, soft goods and outstanding sculpts at a price-point lower than $10. I really DON'T need vintage repro card-backs - even for my MOC collection. I would rather see them at this point release as 12 figure series dedicated to the PT with cardbacks that mimic the vintage Kenner ones.

I guess when I hear VOTC, I just cringe at the idea of each figure costing my collection $20 (one to open and one MOC) instead of roughly $11 - $12 for two.
Title: Re: Post ROTS-New VOTC
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on May 31, 2005, 12:05 PM
I'd be interested in a SA tusken raider; Beru and Owen lars as well as Cliegg Lasrs. A SA C-3P0, with all kinds or movable articculation; SA Jango Fett to go with Boba; reissued mass available sandcrawler - I don't care that it's a little underscale; twin pod cloud car!!!
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Scott on May 31, 2005, 12:59 PM
I'll buy...I won't necessarily like it but I will buy them.  I think the packaging, star case and the quality of figures justifies a $8 price point...$10 is stretching it but I picked up a couple of figures on clearance for $4 and I think the same will happen with VOTC 2
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: ruiner on May 31, 2005, 02:11 PM
I really like the idea of sticking with what works and what the collectors want.

And yes, they need to focus on hitting a $5-6 SRP otherwise I think they will lose a lot of collectors.

I know I'm on the brink.

Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Jeff on May 31, 2005, 02:17 PM
Hmmm...

I LOVE this idea, my wallet however doesn't.   :-\

If they can promise us they will slow down, then that is cool.  If they start releasing the vOTC-2 at the same rate as RotS (60+ figures in 6 months), I'll go crazy.

If they can break it down to 4-6 new figures once every other month, then I'm OK with it (even at $10 a figure w/ the fancy clamshell).

Jeff
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Brian on May 31, 2005, 02:23 PM
That is kind of how I feel as well Jeff.  Not that I (or most people, probably) don't like as many new figures as possible...but the ROTS onslaught has been killer.  Don't get me wrong, as soon as I'm caught up I'm ready to look for the next figures, but things have really, really been coming fast here this year.  I think I've already spent more this year than all of last year, and we're not even halfway through quite yet.  I'd rather see a bit of a slower pace, even if it was more along the lines of the 2004 Saga line.  A wave (themed or otherwise) every month, consisting of 3-4 figures would be ok with me, especially at the $5-6 pricepoint.  If they are going to be $10 a pop, they can spread them out even further ;).
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Gregorbian on May 31, 2005, 02:24 PM
Hmmm...

I LOVE this idea, my wallet however doesn't.   :-\

If they can promise us they will slow down, then that is cool.  If they start releasing the vOTC-2 at the same rate as RotS (60+ figures in 6 months), I'll go crazy.

If they can break it down to 4-6 new figures once every other month, then I'm OK with it (even at $10 a figure w/ the fancy clamshell).

Jeff

That's exactly what I'm thinking.  I wouldn't mind VOTC figures (super-articulation, clamshells, etc) from all movies, but I would like them to limit it to 24 to 36 figures a year (4 to 6 per film).  At a $10 price point, this wouldn't be that bad.  Maybe they could have army builder sets like the upcoming Stormtrooper Evolution set but with other troopers to help out with army building.  I would really have them focus on quality over quantity in terms of figures.  I have a ton of old POTF2 figures that are completely worthless aside from custom fodder...
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Pete_Fett on May 31, 2005, 04:12 PM
Slower release schedule and having the releases more spread-out is definitely the way to go if figures are going to start costing us $10 a pop.

Let's face it - in the vintage line there wasn't even 100 figures. Between OTC, Post-OTC, ROTS Sneak Preview and ROTS, we've had over 100 figures - all released within a ten month window. That's A LOT of product.

If they want to gear the line more towards collectors, release VOTC level product and produce a wave of four every other month - for a total of 24 figures per year - I would really be happy with that level of production since that's only $480 per year for me.

If however they are going to release regular waves of $5/$6 basic figures at one wave per month, I'm done for.

Quality (as opposed to shear quantity) should be the focus of the line for the forseeable future - only time it should revert back to Saga/ROTS release mentality is if they break-off and have a line of figures dedicated to a TV series.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: JediMAC on May 31, 2005, 04:30 PM
I'm excited to hear that Hasbro will (purportedly) be reverting back to that classic OTC card design, so that's definitely cool.  Probably won't be called "OTC" anymore though, since I'm sure the figures being offered will be from the entire Saga, and not just the OT.  So it'll be pretty much like the "Post-OTC" run just prior to Saga.  Wonder if they'll just call it "Saga 2", or come up with a more clever moniker for the new line.

I'm also quite curious as to when this line will really start.  If Mark's indeed right, and there are only 12 more figures in the ROTS line beyond the original 56, then that would mean any new line would likely have to start around September of this year, unless they start sticking other non-ROTS figures onto the ROTS styled cards (which I'd rather they not, personally).

As for the return of the VOTC, that's exciting news, though I highly doubt they're going to rehash the entire vintage figure run on those cards.  That wouldn't really make sense, if you're talking SA high quality type of figures.  A lot of those old vintage figures would be just fine on basic cards at the $5 price point.  Since I was getting at least 4 of each VOTC figure, there's no way I'm gonna want to keep up that pace for another 80+ figures.

I think they should just limit the VOTC line to the main characters, and top army builders (unless they drop the price).  Those are the characters most of us really want to see in the super-articulated style of figures, after all.

I'd also enjoy it if Hasbro sticks with the movie-themed waves for consistency's sake, at least for starters.  Do a vintage "POTF" card with a few of the key stragglers from the OT, and then do a 4-figure series for each prequel flick, and then maybe back to some more OT, or some of the top army builders.

Lots of possibilities for sure, though the upcoming "Evolutions" assortment will likely nullify some of the key figures that would make for good VOTC choices (Maul, Dooku, Clones, etc.).  But if they go with the VOTC, I'd like to see them better accesorize them this time, ala the Evolutions figures, with all potential accessories for a respective figure, including some possible head/helmet/limb swaps.  If they just did that, I could probably stomach the $10 pricepoint a little better...
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: DoctorPadawan on May 31, 2005, 04:54 PM
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Why would you get rid of your entire collection that you already have because VOTC would be $10?  I am not understanding that part of your post?

Well, the short version is that I have a tendency to catastrophize everything that happens in life.  My default way of thinking is "worst case scenario" the majority of the time, and while some may see this as a really bad way of looking at things (and I do agree with that somewhat), it also means I'm hardly ever disappointed. 

Why I responded the way I did to the Swami's post about Hasbro wanting to do all the vintage figures (ideally) in a VOTC line was because I, like JediMAC, am a completist.  Now, I'm not nearly as driven as he is, since I only buy one of everything and I open them all (with a few exceptions).  At this point in my life, I'm literally running out of room and it's becoming harder and harder for me to justify shelling out money for toys when I'm going through some rather rough times physically and emotionally. 

I'm barely able to handle 5.50 a figure at this point and I know that a lot of other people feel this way too.  If Hasbro were to suddenly decide that, with the films over and the TV show a year or so away, they were *only* going to release figures in a VOTC clamshell at a 10 dollar price point, it would be the end of my collecting days.  Not only because I couldn't afford the figures anymore, but because any excitement I had would be gone due to my inability, financially, to obtain figures I would want.

Thankfully, it sounds as if this might not be the case (and I'm certainly not going to become completely irrational because of a single report, credible though it has been in the past) and that VOTC will be a subline or maybe even speaking of the quality of the figures at a 6 dollar price point (the report is really vague, as usual).  But I was just saying that if Hasbro does decide to go "all VOTC, all the time", that would be the point where I finally just threw up my hands and left the 4" collecting to everyone else.

As for the selling of the collection thing, it's something I've been considering for a long time due to the aforementioned health and space concerns.  There would still be some things I would like to keep, but on the whole, not a lot of 4" stuff would end up making the cut.   :-\
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Nathan on May 31, 2005, 05:43 PM
Disclaimer: I'm one of those rare souls who thought the VOTC was overrated -- rehashes of characters that have already been done a billion times for cheaper. Also, they're packaged with utterly unnecessary clamshells -- people that wish to clamshell their figures are more than welcome to do so, but they should buy their own instead of me being forced to pay extra for something I don't need. The only one I bought was Chewie, and only because I was army-building to recreate the "awesome" Kashyyyk battle that turned out to be a big bust relative to the hype ::) -- but I digress.

I wouldn't be opposed to a limited continuation of VOTC, especially if it's cool stuff that needs it, such as Jango Fett or the Tusken Raider.

But like you guys, I can't see them redoing the entire Vintage run in VOTC -- do we really need a SA Malakili or Chief Chirpa, particularly at a $10 price point? Well, I know a lot of us collectors would buy them ;), but Hasbro knows the demand just isn't there on the general market.

If they go exclusively $10 VOTC for everything, then I call it quits. I'll cut back to about 5 figures a year and that's it (well, except for catching up on previous stuff as I come across it). And that would make me really sad. :'(

And while I don't adore the OTC cards as much as some do, I'd prefer a return to that style instead of this silly ROTS packing.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: JesseVader08 on May 31, 2005, 10:26 PM
I love the VOTC line, but I'd like it to remain a one time product.  Many of the ROTS figures have shown us that they can do the VOTC quality on a regular card and only charge the normal $6US price. 

That line was successful because it was very limited.  I was willing to spend more for a line that I knew was limited to 12 figures because I knew that the increased cost would be short lived.

For this line to suddenly jump to the $10 price point indefinitely will kill it.  Simple as that.

Of course, I want the VOTC quality, but I don't see the need for the clamshell, etc. that lead to the higher price.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Jesse James on June 1, 2005, 12:32 AM
I'm really at odds with myself on this one...

I agree with Scott that, at best, these are $8 figures...  The bubble and cardbacks were special, they took extra work/effort...  Packaging can be pricey, and that was probably as price (per item) as it gets.

If they're doing every figure from the vintage line (I'm somehow doubtful of that, but one never knows) then I think the cost of packaging becomes somewhat negated...

I'm not AGAINST more VOTC...  I think the quality in the VOTC is unmatched, even in ROTS's line (short of their SA figures and perhaps the Royal Guard/Senate Guard).

So to that end, I'd like more VOTC, but at $10 a pop I'm hesitant to let out a big "Yay!" on this one.  I guess we'll have to see what manner the VOTC could pan out.

I'm glad to hear the OTC style in general will come back.  I think it's the best to-date, and the most representative of Star Wars as a franchise.  I'm not a packaging fan, that's why I generally don't touch on it in my reviews, but even I was saving some of those OTC cardbacks.  :)
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Morgbug on June 2, 2005, 11:02 AM
I'm still opposed to a VOTC type of figure from any prequel. 

It's not that I'm opposed to having a super articulated Count Dooku or Darth Maul, nothing of the sort.  It's the whole association of anything prequel with the concept of Vintage. 

TPM was released a whopping six years ago.  There was never any vintage association with it.  The card backs for all three movies have been dramatically different - Episode I's Maul cardback, Saga for Episode II and now that POS-Shrek inspired card for ROTS. 

Part of the beauty of VOTC and the original run of vintage figures is that the cardbacks were consistent to the point of instant recognition.  Slap a cardback from each of the three prequel films side by side and tell me what you see?  Fickle, trendy cash grab.  Granted that's nothing more than a sign of the times (witness the continual betrayal of sport franchise history simply to get more marketing dollars) but I for one don't like it. 

By all means, give us ultimate sculpts of prequel characters (you know, just like that awesome VOTC R2) but please don't debase the whole vintage concept. :-\

As for price, well, they're already losing me on the regular stuff as it is, so jacking up the price for a clamshell and a cardback I may selectively be opposed to is not going to fly well with me. 
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Darth_Anton on June 2, 2005, 12:40 PM
More VOTC and OTC stuff would definately make me happy. I just hope they pace the release is this comes to pass.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Nathan on June 2, 2005, 05:10 PM
Brent, what many people have suggested for prequel VOTC is creating vintage-style cards with new photos and prequel logos. While it strikes me as tacky and artificial, it makes more sense than trying to pass off the EpI, Saga, and ROTS cards as any form of vintage anything. At least the subline would be consistent.

Of course from a vintage collector's POV, bastardizing the old cardstyle in this way might be more offensive than reusing PT cards. :)
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Rob on June 2, 2005, 06:03 PM
If they want to make high-detail versions of the entire remaining vintage line and sell them for 10 bucks a piece, I'm ALL for it.

Super articulated Scout Trooper here we come.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Darth Broem on June 5, 2005, 10:08 AM
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Why would you get rid of your entire collection that you already have because VOTC would be $10?  I am not understanding that part of your post?

Well, the short version is that I have a tendency to catastrophize everything that happens in life.  My default way of thinking is "worst case scenario" the majority of the time, and while some may see this as a really bad way of looking at things (and I do agree with that somewhat), it also means I'm hardly ever disappointed. 

Why I responded the way I did to the Swami's post about Hasbro wanting to do all the vintage figures (ideally) in a VOTC line was because I, like JediMAC, am a completist.  Now, I'm not nearly as driven as he is, since I only buy one of everything and I open them all (with a few exceptions).  At this point in my life, I'm literally running out of room and it's becoming harder and harder for me to justify shelling out money for toys when I'm going through some rather rough times physically and emotionally. 

I'm barely able to handle 5.50 a figure at this point and I know that a lot of other people feel this way too.  If Hasbro were to suddenly decide that, with the films over and the TV show a year or so away, they were *only* going to release figures in a VOTC clamshell at a 10 dollar price point, it would be the end of my collecting days.  Not only because I couldn't afford the figures anymore, but because any excitement I had would be gone due to my inability, financially, to obtain figures I would want.

Thankfully, it sounds as if this might not be the case (and I'm certainly not going to become completely irrational because of a single report, credible though it has been in the past) and that VOTC will be a subline or maybe even speaking of the quality of the figures at a 6 dollar price point (the report is really vague, as usual).  But I was just saying that if Hasbro does decide to go "all VOTC, all the time", that would be the point where I finally just threw up my hands and left the 4" collecting to everyone else.

As for the selling of the collection thing, it's something I've been considering for a long time due to the aforementioned health and space concerns.  There would still be some things I would like to keep, but on the whole, not a lot of 4" stuff would end up making the cut.   :-\

Ok, I see what you mean.  I don't know how much longer I will collect either.  I really should not be buying any Star Wars products with moving and having a newborn etc.  To be honest the only way I got most of the VOTCs were from using our Toys R Us gift cards that practically everyone we knew gave us as baby shower gifts.  My wife would let me get one figure every now and then when we were getting baby supplies, etc. 

I just don't want Hasbro putting out more than 12 of these VOTCs a year.  Or some number around that.  I hope they won't reissue/rehash like they did for OTC.  I let it slide because of the OT DVD "problem" of not getting time to make new figures in time for the release.  Now they don't have that excuse. 

However, we are at the point where Hasbro has made about every character imagineable that will see.  So, I can see them reverting to past characters...A LOT!  I just hope we still get unmade figs at a fairly decent clip.  If not that could actually kill it for me. 
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Morgbug on June 6, 2005, 04:06 PM
Brent, what many people have suggested for prequel VOTC is creating vintage-style cards with new photos and prequel logos. While it strikes me as tacky and artificial, it makes more sense than trying to pass off the EpI, Saga, and ROTS cards as any form of vintage anything. At least the subline would be consistent.

Of course from a vintage collector's POV, bastardizing the old cardstyle in this way might be more offensive than reusing PT cards. :)

The latter point is a good summation of my objections to this. 

I have no objection to getting really well done versions of any figure - a super poseable Maul (Evolutions?) or Qui-Gon would be super.  But I'm 100% positive they'll at least screw up part of it (hello, C-3PO?) and that irks me.  I'm also not keen on the price point given we have the SA clones at regular retail.  Others have made that point better than I could. 

Don't get me wrong, I'll be entirely hypocritical and support the damn line, I just want to complain about it.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: ruiner on June 9, 2005, 05:41 PM
I see a lot of talk (is that possible?) about a $10 SRP.  Let's not forget that nothing has been disclosed in regards to price.  Hell, for that matter the idea is not even official (although it's highly plausible).

Personally, I think they will go away with the fancy dancy packaging and produce the figures we have come to love from the OT - super duper detail (ala the VOTC).

I forsee a retail price similar to what we see now - $6-7.

Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: evenflow on June 10, 2005, 02:12 PM
I am down for some more, but not fo rthem redoing all of the figures.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: John C on June 10, 2005, 10:00 PM
I would want VOTC Bespin and Hoth versions of Luke, Leia and Han most of all along with a Jedi Luke and X Wing Luke.  Others I would buy would be a Jawa, Tusken Raider, Cantina aliens, Death Squad Commander, Snowtrooper, Hoth Rebel Soldier, all bounty hunters, Biker Scout, Endor Rebel trooper, Endor Han and Leia and an Emperor. 
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: CHEWIE on July 10, 2005, 01:58 PM
$10 figures in mass quantity are just too much to ask for from this little CHEWIE.

I can stomach maybe 12 VOTC priced figures per year.  As a diorama builder and army builder, even for the core characters I'll want at least 3 each of to open.  And army builders, somewhere in the dozens.

So, please Hasbro - do not make too many of these each year.  I don't think the hobby can sustain it.  I say to 12 VOTC figures per year, or 24 if you include the prequels.

 :P
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Brian on July 11, 2005, 03:35 PM
Rebelscum (http://www.rebelscum.com/article.asp?i=93695) has a report up containing a few tidbits about the future OTC line.  I'd say take them with a grain of salt for now, and hopefully we'll learn more at Comic-Con in a couple of days.  From the sounds of things, the OTC packaging style is returning (which we've heard a number of times) and apparently from their "source"...the packaging that has been seen had a bunch of repacks on the back.  While I totally expected repacks, I really hope it isn't the overall theme of the line...at least not to the ratios that the first round of OTC figures were.  The figures they have listed:

    * Chewbacca as Boushh's Bounty

    * Leia (In Boushh Disguise)

    * Han Solo in Carbonite (from Jabba's Palace)

    * Bib Fortuna

    * Barada (most recently from Skirkish at Carkoon)

    * One more unidentified character, possibly from Jabba's Palace

This sort of disappoints me, as I was hoping to get an all new Boussh Leia, Han in Carbonite, and Bib Fortuna.  Plus, Fortuna was just released last year in the OTC, and to me the Chewie in Chains would seem silly and underscaled now compared to the VOTC, Early Bird (and even Cloud City) versions.  Anyways, like I said, maybe it was a mock up...maybe the whole story is untrue, we'll have to wait and see...but I know I'd rather see at least some of these get resculpted, and have some more new figures.  Can't wait until Wednesday on, so we can get a peek of the future of the Star Wars line.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Ben on July 11, 2005, 04:09 PM
I was really hoping for a newly-sculpted Han in Carbonite and Leia in Boushh disguise.

I want to say that these repacks will prove harmful to the line, but after the success of OTC last year, I'm not sure saying that would be true.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Pete_Fett on July 11, 2005, 05:21 PM
I was really hoping for a newly-sculpted Han in Carbonite and Leia in Boushh disguise.

I want to say that these repacks will prove harmful to the line, but after the success of OTC last year, I'm not sure saying that would be true.

Not trying to repeat myself but I'll say it here too...

Right now Hasbro is in a mode of "bring in as many new buyers to the line as possible"

Give them a year and they will realize that it ain't happening. Now sales of P&OTC could surprise us all and sell like gangbusters even though the figures are all rehashes - but in the end Hasbro will end up pissing off more of the current fan base than gaining new ones.

Like both of the previous posts stated - new versions of Bib Fortuna, Leia as Boushh and Han in Carbonite are ALL needed. To rehash them would just be stupid at this point. The POTF2 Chewie in Chains is a joke compared to the VOTC Chewie - so to go backwards like this would just be plain ridiculous.

Here's to hoping that any figures shown on the back of packaging was for mock-up purposes only and the first wave of P&OTC figures we're getting is an all new ROTJ Jabba's palace wave.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Brian on July 11, 2005, 08:37 PM
Well, Rebelscum has now updated (http://www.rebelscum.com/article.asp?i=93695) their information.  It now sounds as if the Leia, Han Solo (Carbonite), and Bib Fortuna could be new figures.  Others likely repacks...more details at the linky.  Hopefully we'll see some of this at Comic-Con and get a better feel for the line post-ROTS.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: JesseVader08 on July 11, 2005, 09:55 PM
There's so much apparent speculation going on, it's hard to get excited about anything when information is being changed within the same day.

I'm waiting for Comic-Con before I think too much about these...
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Jesse James on July 11, 2005, 10:48 PM
Amen Jesse...  People's wires are getting crossed, people's hopes are getting raised (or sunk), and it's just a mess of rumors in all directions at the moment.

On this one, let me chalk my opinion up that all the figures mentioned needed a resculpt, even Barada (to represent the vintage character, not the 3-pack figure) in my book.  Not a one would make a good re-release.  And as I recall, Bib Fortuna wasn't the hottest selling OTC figure in my neck of the woods.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Darth Broem on July 12, 2005, 01:08 PM
I do hope the Bib Fortuna is a new sculpt.  The POTF one was good back in the day I suppose.  I would like a nice new version.  Personally I think Han in Carbonite is way over due.  A new one that is.  Yes, a Barada harking back to the days of the original line would be nice.  I am surprised they are repacking it though because  that cinema scene rotted on the shelves.  I wish they would stick an Ishi Tib head on a body that looks like it came from Jabba's Palace instead of the Rebel Briefing scene in ROTJ.    But that is me.  I always liked the Leia Boushh figure but a new version would be welcome. 

But we are going to have to live with the repacks I guess.  It will drive a lot of us nuts.  At least the packaging sounds like it will look like the OTC. 

What do you think about the potential of the holographic figures?  I am not sure what they got in mind there. 
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 12, 2005, 02:07 PM
Some figure could stand to be repacked, but they never seem to re-pack the right ones like Motti or even Sio Bibble. I'm hoping that the packaging samples that these are being peported form are still a work in progress because I'd love to see the Barada from Luke and Han's Skiff in stead of the one we already have.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: DoctorPadawan on July 12, 2005, 05:42 PM
I'm wondering if the hologram pack-ins are going to be anything but little holo versions of various characters from the saga, whether they appeared in holographic form or not.  I can see them doing them randomly, with little attention to who the figure or who the hologram is.  That said, here's what would make sense (well, here's what I would like to see):

1.  OOM-9 (Trophy Edition) with mini holo Nute Gunray
2.  SA Battle Droid (good plastic) with mini holo Rune Haako
3.  Holographic Darth Sidious (reissue) with mini holo Maul
4.  SA Mace Windu with mini holo Obi-Wan Kenobi (AOTC)
5.  SA Padme (AOTC) with mini holo Mace Windu
6.  SA General Grievous with mini holo Darth Sidious
7.  SA Yoda with mini holo of any Jedi Council member (hey, they could even do a series of 12 mini holo Council members in varying figures to "complete the set")
8.  Commander Cody with mini holo Emperor Palpatine
9.  SA Obi-Wan Kenobi with mini holo Bail Organa
10.  SA Senate Sidious with mini holo Vader (ROTS)
11.  SA General Veers with mini holo Vader (ESB)

Will we get any of these?  Probably not. 
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Darth Broem on July 12, 2005, 05:51 PM
Not sure what they have in mind with those.  I do like the idea of the holographic council.  Maybe somehow they could include a little Jedi council set to sit them all in?  Yeah, I know.  Probably not. 
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Jim on July 12, 2005, 07:57 PM
I hope the package does not change too much.  Sounds like a combo of E3 and OTC.  Still not a fan of the new package.  As far as repacks.  I could live with any fig that was a pack in or was on an odd size card (dlx, cinema scene, exclusive). 

Though a pegwarmer, I would love to see an Amanaman on the OTC card as well as an OT Uncle Owen (retooled a bit), Dr Evazan, Muftak, Labria, Oola, Cantina Band Member,  etc.  Hopefully we see the few figs that still need a resculpt.  Mainly:  Luke and Han Storm, Luke Ceremonial, Luke Snowspeeder, R5, Han Carb, DS Gunner, AT-AT Driver, AT-ST Driver (Imperial Forces or Han version with new head), DS Trooper,  Tarkin, Hoth Soldier (4 duds thus far), Walrusman, Ackbar, Biggs (removable helmet), Han Endor.  Man I think I am finally realizing how much the sculpts sucked from 95-97.   
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: DoctorPadawan on July 12, 2005, 08:10 PM
I was just thinking the other day: wouldn't it be cool (and cheaper for them) if Hasbro did a single X-Wing Pilot figure, that came with Wedge, Biggs, Red Leader, and generic pilot heads and helmets that you could mix and match.  I mean, you do the tooling for one SA body, do four head sculpts, four helmet repaints, and release it as one figure.

This would be beneficial to Hasbro because they could ship them at 4 Pilots per case instead of 2 of each individual pilot, so that more case space could be allocated to that much-requested Cantina Han recard and the 1500th version of Tatooine Luke, plus it would guard against pegwarmers because anyone and everyone who opened the figures (well, okay, me) would buy four figures so I could have all four pilots.

Despite the claims that "oh, if we did that, we wouldn't make as much money", I have a feeling if they did four individually carded X-Wing Pilots, people would buy Wedge and leave the other three, creating a bigger glut and less sales.  Why not go the cheap route and keep collectors, retailers, and themselves happy?
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: dafoo on July 12, 2005, 08:33 PM
they'd have to devise a way to snap the heads on...oh Kit Fisto style!
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Nathan on July 13, 2005, 02:15 PM
Something to think about ... as you will recall, Hasbro redid a number of Jabba's Palace figures in late Saga (Luke, Holo Luke, Lando Skiff, etc.) and those four that mosnab listed are ones that have yet to be redone. I'm fairly optimistic these could be a continuation of the late Saga JP series.

And as I recall, Bib Fortuna wasn't the hottest selling OTC figure in my neck of the woods.

Oddly enough, I only ever saw OTC Bib once. Then again, distribution on the entire OTC was pretty sparse in my neck of the woods. It's always weird to see how pegwarmers in some regions are HTF in others, and vice versa.

I'm wondering if the hologram pack-ins are going to be anything but little holo versions of various characters from the saga, whether they appeared in holographic form or not.  I can see them doing them randomly, with little attention to who the figure or who the hologram is.  That said, here's what would make sense (well, here's what I would like to see):.......

I agree. On the other hand, I wouldn't mind some "extra" holo figures as long as they are characters that could be reasonably expected to show up as holos somewhere. For example, I don't think we ever saw a mini holo Grievous in the film, but I'm sure he appeared holographically at some point. I suppose that could be considered EU to some, but it wouldn't bug me.

The problem arises when they start doing holo Wickets or something stupid like that. ::)
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: dafoo on July 13, 2005, 04:12 PM
"The problem arises when they start doing holo Wickets or something stupid like that."

ACK! No, now that you'd said it...
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Brian on July 14, 2005, 02:06 PM
After the repack/repaint-o-rama that came through from Preview night, I really hope that Hasbro has a few surprises to drop throughout this weekened...maybe during their presentation tomorrow.  Although I know it is still a "movie" year, and there are a lot of prequel figures people still want...I guess the fan in me is hoping they get back to making some OT characters again.  PT is ok too, specifically ROTS Clones and some Padmes (preferrably Obi-Wan/Padme/Jedi Master/3PO evolution sets), but otherwise I'd like to see some more OT stuff make a comeback now :).
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: JedioftheNorth on July 15, 2005, 08:41 PM
I hope that this line has some new characters but have too say I like the packaging and the sandtrooper looks great.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Morgbug on July 15, 2005, 08:51 PM
Does anyone else worry that the bubble won't fit a conventional star case?  It looks too wide at the midpoint, a cross between the OTC card with the ROTS bubble.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 16, 2005, 02:49 AM
Actually, it looks like the Star Case they're packing the holo-Leia in would fit the new card design well.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Nathan on July 17, 2005, 06:26 PM
From Rebelscum (http://www.rebelscum.com/article.asp?i=93813):

Quote
Each wave of action figures will be focused on a classic battle, and include the iconic characters. Look for 56 figures, split into 8 waves, and as an added bonus, each figure will inlcude a bonus holographic mini figure. The waves are as follows:

Battle of Carkoon from Episode VI will include 6 figures
Battle of Hoth from Episode V will include 8 figures
Battle of Coruscant from Episode III will include 6 figures
Battle of Geonosis from Episode II will include 7 figures
Battle of Tatooine from Episode IV will include 7 figures
Battle of Endor from Episode VI will include 8 figures
Battle of Naboo from Episode I will include 8 figures
Battle of Death Star from Episode IV will include 6 figures

Intriguing so far. If it were me I'd do them in episode order though.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: DoctorPadawan on July 17, 2005, 06:44 PM
I guess I'll be the first to offer speculation over what I would like to see (based on the theory that it will be half repacks and half new figures; this is all just my opinion):

BATTLE OF HOTH (8 figures):

-Snowspeeder Luke Skywalker
-Major Bren Derlin
-SA Hoth Rebel Soldier
-SA Snowtrooper
-Saga Hoth Attack Luke Skywalker (2004)
-R2-D2 with Sensorscope (modified VOTC, 2004)
-Bespin Capture Han Solo (POTJ, 2000)
-K-3P0 Echo Base Protocol Droid (POTJ, 2001)

BATTLE OF CORUSCANT (6 figures):

-SA General Grievous (cloth cloak)
-Pilot Anakin Skywalker
-Coruscant Fireman
-Security Battle Droid (POTJ, 2000)
-Clone Trooper (ROTS #41 with gray shoulder pads)
-Count Dooku (ROTS #13)

BATTLE OF GEONOSIS (7 figures):

-SA Mace Windu
-SA Jango Fett
-SA Padme Amidala
-Poggle the Lesser (Saga Geonosis War Room, 2003)
-SA Clone Trooper (Clone Wars, 2003)
-Destroyer Droid (Episode I, 1999, with post-2002 head)
-Yoda (Saga, 2002)

BATTLE OF TATOOINE (7 figures):

-Owen Lars
-Beru Lars
-Tonnika Sister
-SA Cantina Band Member
-Sandtrooper (POTJ, already pictured)
-C-3P0 (POTF2 Flashback)
-Han Solo (CommTech 1999, just because it's a law)

BATTLE OF ENDOR (8 figures):

-SA Endor Poncho Princess Leia
-SA Endor Poncho Luke Skywalker
-SA Endor Trenchcoat Han Solo
-SA Scout Trooper
(although I wouldn't complain about new Ewoks)
-AT-ST Driver (AT-ST Han with new head and arm)
-Endor Rebel Soldier (Saga 2002, with new head)
-Imperial Officer (POTJ 2001/Saga 2002)
-Ewoks in some form

BATTLE OF NABOO (8 figures):

-SA Qui-Gon Jinn
-SA Obi-Wan Kenobi
-SA Battle Droid
-Queen Amidala (Episode I Battle figure)
-Sio Bibble (Episode I Battle figure)
-Darth Maul (probably a recard of MOTDS version again)
-OOM-9 (Trophy Edition that was never released)
-Holographic Darth Sidious (Episode I figure)

BATTLE OF DEATH STAR (8 figures):

-SA Han Solo in Stormtrooper Disguise
-SA Luke Skywalker in Stormtrooper Disguise
-SA Obi-Wan Kenobi
-SA Death Star Trooper
-Princess Leia Organa (Early Bird version)
-TIE Fighter Pilot (Saga 2004)
-Stormtrooper (VOTC, 2004)
-Grand Moff Tarkin (ROTS version with repainted head)

Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Nathan on July 17, 2005, 07:13 PM
Great list, Doc!

Good idea on the 2003 SA clone for Geonosis. There will be a lot of us cranky collectors if this doesn't happen.

I also particularly agree on K-3PO and the 2000 security battle droid for Hoth and Coruscant respectively.

And good call on the Naboo Holo Sid. I like your thinking. ;)

For Tatooine I would like to see a SA Tusken Raider most of all. Your others are good ideas, though personally I would lose the Tonnika sister to get a Tusken (since Cantina Han is logically a given).

The first thing that came to my mind for the Death Star was the POTJ/Saga Imperial officer -- possibly cut the TIE Pilot and put another Ewok in the Endor slot.

Heck, going on the assumption there will be vehicles and Deluxe/Ultra figures with each wave, how about a repack of the Saga Ewok on glider, a repacked AT-ST, and a new 4-pack Ewoks troop builder in the Deluxe line?
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: CHEWIE on July 17, 2005, 08:19 PM
Yep, that was a good list DP.  Here's what I *think* we might get.

BATTLE OF HOTH (8 figures):

-Snowspeeder Luke Skywalker (new)
-Major Bren Derlin (new)
-Hoth Rebel Soldier (new)
-AT-AT Driver (new)
-Toryn Farr (new)
-C3PO (ROTS repack)
-Snowtrooper (SAGA repack)
-Darth Vader (some sort of repack)

BATTLE OF CORUSCANT (6 figures):

-SA General Grievous (new)
-Pilot Anakin Skywalker (new)
-Coruscant Fireman (new)
-R2D2 (new w/ "hovering" base and flaming Super Battle Droid)
-Clone Trooper Gunner (repack - from Star Destroyer cannons w/ a cheap "cannon")
-Count Dooku (ROTS repack)

BATTLE OF GEONOSIS (7 figures):

-SA Mace Windu (new)
-SA Jango Fett (new)
-SA Padme Amidala (new)
-Battle Droid (ROTS repack, painted red)
-SA Clone Trooper (Clone Wars repack)
-Kit Fisto (ROTS repack)
-Yoda (ROTS repack)

BATTLE OF TATOOINE (7 figures):

-Garindan (new)
-Tonnika Sister (new)
-Ponda Baba (new)
-SA Tusken Raider (new)
-Sandtrooper (POTJ repack)
-Obi Wan Kenobi (POTJ repack)
-R2D2 (Commtech repack)

BATTLE OF ENDOR (8 figures):

-SA Endor Poncho Princess Leia (new)
-SA Endor Poncho Luke Skywalker (new)
-Endor Rebel Trooper (new)
-SA Scout Trooper (new)
-Nien Numb (new)
-Teebo (Saga repack)
-Death Star Trooper (POTF2 repack)
-General Lando Calrissian (OTC repack)

BATTLE OF NABOO (8 figures):

-SA Qui-Gon Jinn (new)
-SA Obi-Wan Kenobi (new)
-SA Jar Jar Binks (new)
-Naboo Security Guard (new)
-Battle Droid (ROTS repack)
-Queen Amidala (Episode I Battle repack)
-Gungan Warrior (POTJ repack)
-Darth Maul (MOTDS repack)

BATTLE OF DEATH STAR (8 figures):

-SA Han Solo in Stormtrooper Disguise (new)
-SA Luke Skywalker in Stormtrooper Disguise (new)
-Diagona (new)
-Chewbacca (new)
-Princess Leia Organa (new)
-TIE Fighter Pilot (Saga repack)
-X-Wing Pilot (Dutch Vander repack w/ new head - maybe Biggs)
-Darth Vader (MOTDS repack)

 :P
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Darth Broem on July 17, 2005, 10:08 PM
Just a question.  Hasbro did not say anything about revisiting VOTC at Comic Con right?  It's just the OTC but now called Saga Collection correct? 
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Nathan on July 17, 2005, 10:24 PM
Can somebody create threads for the Coruscant, Tatooine, and Naboo waves? I've already made two and I don't want to seem like I'm hogging the forum or anything. :)
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Diddly on July 18, 2005, 12:47 AM
Great lists, Chewie and DocP. Now I'll but in with my predictions, which are mostly the same as everyone elses.  :P

BATTLE OF HOTH (8 figures):

-Luke Skywalker; Snowspeeder pilot suit. Removeable helmet and articulation similar to Gold Leader. Includes blaster, lightsaber, and ascension cable.
-Hoth Rebel Soldier; SA, maybe with two head variants. Includes blaster and heavy rifle.
-AT-AT Driver; Similar articulation and sculpt to Saga/OTC TIE Pilot. Includes blaster.
-Snowtrooper; New SA sculpt, with blaster.
-Leia in Hoth costume; resculpt, decent articulation. Includes blaster and tools.
-Bespin Han; POTJ Rerelease.
-Major Bren Derlin; decent articulation with blaster.
-General Veers; new sculpt with much articulation and removeable helmet, and possibly armor. Includes blaster.

BATTLE OF CORUSCANT (6 figures):

-General Grievous; SA, softgoods cape, blaster, and 4 lightsabers. Features interchangeable arms, one set closed and one set open for 4 arm attack.
-Anakin Skywalker; SA or near SA with removeable pilot helmet. Includes lightsaber.
-Obi-Wan Kenobi; see Anakin.
-Magnaguard; SA with softgoods cape. Includes harder plastic staff with removeable purple energy bindings.
-Battle Droid; POTJ Security rerelease.
-Count Dooku; ROTS rerelease.

BATTLE OF GEONOSIS (7 figures):

-Mace Windu; SA with softgoods cloak and lightsaber. Neutral expression.
-Jango Fett; SA, basically a resculpt of VOTC Boba. Includes blasters and both jetpacks. Also has either removeable helmet or switchable balljoint heads.
-Padme Amidala; SA Droid Factory resulpt with softgoods cloak and Naboo and Battle Droid blasters.
-Battle Droid; Red painted ROTS version with blaster.
-Clone Trooper; CW Rerelease with blaster and rifle.
-Clone Pilot; new head on SA Clone body with blaster and rifle.
-Obi-Wan Kenobi; SA or near SA with chains and lightsaber.

BATTLE OF TATOOINE (7 figures):

-Sandtrooper; POTJ Repack.
-Darth Vader; MOTDS Repack.
-Princess Leia; Commtech Repack.
-Captain Antilles; Saga Repack.
-Imperial Officer; POTJ Repack.
-Rebel Fleet Trooper; SA with blaster and removeable helmet. Head variants.
-Stormtrooper; Commtech repack.

BATTLE OF ENDOR (8 figures):

-Princess Leia; SA with softgoods poncho and removeable helmet. Includes blaster.
-Luke Skywalker; SA with poncho and removeable helmet. Includes lightsaber.
-Endor Rebel Trooper; SA with possible head variant, includes blaster and rifle.
-Scout Trooper; SA with pistol.
-Ewoks 3 pack; Includes Wicket, Teebo, and Chief Chirpa with staffs.
-C-3PO; The long awaited SA version with articulated knees. Includes "throne".
-Royal Guard; ROTS Repack with blaster and staff.
-General Lando Calrissian (OTC repack)

BATTLE OF NABOO (8 figures):

-Qui-Gon Jinn; SA with softgoods cloak and lightsaber.
-Obi-Wan Kenobi; SA with softgoods cloak and lightsaber.
-Jar Jar Binks; SA with boomer balls.
-Naboo Security Guard; SA with blaster and ascension gun.
-Battle Droid; ROTS repack.
-Queen Amidala; new near SA version with pistol and ascension gun.
-Gungan Warrior; SA with boomer balls.
-Darth Maul; MOTDS repack.

BATTLE OF DEATH STAR (8 figures):

-Stormtrooper Han; VOTC body with removeable helmet and blaster.
-Stormtrooper Luke; See above.
-Chewbacca; Early Bird repack.
-Stormtrooper; Commtech repack.
-TIE Pilot; Saga repack.
-Darth Vader; MOTDS repack.
-Obi-Wan Kenobi; SA with softgoods cloak and lightsaber.
-X-Wing Pilot; Gold Leader body with two or three head/helmet variants.

I sure think these would sell as well as satisfy everyone...
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Brian on July 18, 2005, 10:30 AM
One thing I found interesting in RS's coverage of the Hasbro Q and A is the following question and comment:

"Will we see all the characters in the Vintage line recreated in the new format? Yes, eventually. Hasbro would like to remake them all, but there are many years to go, so there's time. They'll get to them."

I personally think that just about every figure from the POTF2 line could be improved upon considerably with the new sculpting/painting/articulation, so I wouldn't really mind seeing more "new/ultimate" versions of the vintage lineup.  However, they would have to be mixed in with all-new figures of course, and I know many people generally dislike resculpts.  I'm not sure if this means that all the figures from the vintage line will be re-made eventually, or if they mean all of the figures from the vintage line will be made in the "new style" from Saga 2004 and beyond.  Might just be the vintage line, but it would be nice to see all those get made first and foremost.  Like I said, I know many really don't like the resculpts, but I just think so many figures could be improved on even more after seeing the work Hasbro has done on the 2004 Saga, "new" OTC, VOTC, much of ROTS, and the Evolution lines.  There's some good stuff from the POTJ days as well, and almost any resculpt that we have seen has been quite an improvement.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: DoctorPadawan on July 18, 2005, 12:11 PM
Resculpts don't bother me as long as it is a significant improvement from the previous version and/or the original figure was either bad to begin with or falls short of today's level of quality.  The sad thing is that 90% of the POTF2 figures fall into this area.

I've been keeping a close eye on the figures from the POTF2 era that probably need resculpting and I've noticed something interesting.  With the release of the "Pit of Carkoon" wave, all the figures released on orange POTF2 cards (including Boussh Leia but excluding the SOTE crap) have been redone in the last three or four years and replaced with superior versions.  Also, several figures per year from the green card POTF2 have been redone and replaced with superior versions.

From my calculations, these are the figures from the POTF2 days that were released on basic cards that have not been resculpted to meet today's standards:

01.  Death Star Gunner
02.  R5-D4
03.  Luke Skywalker in Stormtrooper Disguise
04.  Jawa
05.  Momaw Nadon/Hammerhead
06.  Tusken Raider
07.  2-1B Medical Droid
08.  AT-ST Driver
09.  Hoth Rebel Soldier
10.  Han Solo in Endor Gear
11.  ASP-7 Droid
12.  Admiral Ackbar
13.  4-LOM
14.  Garindan
15.  Weequay Skiff Guard
16.  Ponda Baba
17.  Grand Moff Tarkin
18.  EV-9D9
19.  Nien Nunb
20.  Gammorean Guard
21.  Saelt Marae/Yak Face
22.  Luke Skywalker in Ceremonial Outfit
23.  Princess Leia in Endor Gown
24.  Logray
25.  Wicket
26.  Biggs Darklighter
27.  Lak Sivrak
28.  Captain/Admiral Piett
29.  Zuckuss
30.  Ishi Tib
31.  Ugnaught
32.  8D8
33.  Chewbacca as Boussh's Bounty
34.  Orrimarko/Prune Face
35.  Mon Mothma (ROTJ)
36.  Death Star Trooper
37.  Ree Yees
38.  Princess Leia in Hoth Gear
39.  AT-AT Driver
40.  R2-D2 with Launching Lightsaber
41.  Princess Leia in Ceremonial Gown

Granted, that is a fairly extensive list, and some of those are arguable (to me, the CommTech Jawa is great and should be the one reissued from here to eternity), but every other figure either has been or is being redone in a much better form.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Scott on July 18, 2005, 12:16 PM
As for the Vintage line, what's the list of everyone who hasn't been done from that?

Resculpts don't bother me as long as it is a significant improvement from the previous version and/or the original figure was either bad to begin with or falls short of today's level of quality.  The sad thing is that 90% of the POTF2 figures fall into this area.

I've been keeping a close eye on the figures from the POTF2 era that probably need resculpting and I've noticed something interesting.  With the release of the "Pit of Carkoon" wave, all the figures released on orange POTF2 cards (including Boussh Leia but excluding the SOTE crap) have been redone in the last three or four years and replaced with superior versions.  Also, several figures per year from the green card POTF2 have been redone and replaced with superior versions.

http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=8617.0

As far as this list:

01.  Death Star Gunner
02.  R5-D4
03.  Luke Skywalker in Stormtrooper Disguise
04.  Jawa
05.  Momaw Nadon/Hammerhead
06.  Tusken Raider
07.  2-1B Medical Droid
08.  AT-ST Driver
09.  Hoth Rebel Soldier
10.  Han Solo in Endor Gear
11.  ASP-7 Droid
12.  Admiral Ackbar
13.  4-LOM
14.  Garindan
15.  Weequay Skiff Guard
16.  Ponda Baba
17.  Grand Moff Tarkin
18.  EV-9D9
19.  Nien Nunb
20.  Gammorean Guard
21.  Saelt Marae/Yak Face
22.  Luke Skywalker in Ceremonial Outfit
23.  Princess Leia in Endor Gown
24.  Logray
25.  Wicket
26.  Biggs Darklighter
27.  Lak Sivrak
28.  Captain/Admiral Piett
29.  Zuckuss
30.  Ishi Tib
31.  Ugnaught
32.  8D8

33.  Chewbacca as Boussh's Bounty
34.  Orrimarko/Prune Face
35.  Mon Mothma (ROTJ)
36.  Death Star Trooper
37.  Ree Yees
38.  Princess Leia in Hoth Gear
39.  AT-AT Driver
40.  R2-D2 with Launching Lightsaber
41.  Princess Leia in Ceremonial Gown


I'd say about 50% are OK and not needed...the rest though would be more than welcome
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Nathan on July 18, 2005, 01:11 PM
Most droids don't need redoing frankly. Like 2-1B -- the character is pretty static to begin with, so there's not much improvement needed. And with droids being mechanical and all, you don't need to worry about achieving a more accurate likeness.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: DoctorPadawan on July 18, 2005, 01:51 PM
I actually noticed your thread about four up from mine as soon as I'd posted, Scott, so I guess my ninja editing was too slow for your eyes.  ;)

As for the thoughts on the list, while I agree with you on some of them, newer versions of others, IMHO, are actually needed at this point.  Or at the very least, retooled versions of the originals.

For instance, I think a new 4-LOM would be welcomed (I still don't like the Dorito stain paint of the first version), and the Gammorean Guard has never looked particularly accurate to me, especially from the neck up.  I'd love to see a newly sculpted version (or at least a new head that isn't so puny on the POTF2 body) of that one.

Regarding Zuckuss and Ishi Tib, while I think the sculpting on the original versions is great, I'm not that fond of the "bib" robes on them.  I'd much rather have versions with solid coats (along the lines of Nute Gunray's) instead of the sandwich boards the version we already have have. 

Otherwise though, I agree with the vast majority of your strike-throughs on the list.  I was just being thorough.  ;D
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Scott on July 18, 2005, 01:52 PM
For the most part as well, if they would make a new Nien Nunb or a new Tusken, I'd still buy it...so call me a sucker :)
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Jesse James on July 18, 2005, 05:22 PM
Call me a nut, but Nein Numb's becoming one of my top resculpt wants...  Re-use the Ten Numb head even, but man that figure sucks standing next to any newer figure.  He's pretty rough and buff.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Paul on August 30, 2005, 02:55 PM
I am probably alone in thinking that most of the POTF2 (and beyond) needs to be redone.  I like a Rehash if it is an improvement.

First off I think anything that had an "Action Feature" from 1995 till NOW deserves the respect of being re-done.  The ones that stick out in my mind most are Hoth Han, Endor Han and Luke Bespin from Saga.

Then their are the "One Pose Wonders" that really need more articulation (dare I say "Super Articulation") like Death Star Trooper, Bespin Han Solo (POTJ) and Biker Scouts.

I'll make a definative list when time allows...........
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Brian on August 30, 2005, 03:03 PM
I'm among the minority that enjoys resculpts as well, at least when they are needed.  The figures you mentioned (Hoth Han, Endor Han, Bespin Luke) are all good "main character" resculpt candidates, as well as some of the few confirmed 06 figures (Boussh, Carb. Han, Bib Fortuna).  I think we'd all enjoy seeing some nice, SA versions of all the various troopers (Hoth, Scout, Rebel, etc.)  There are probably a few sculpts that have "stood the test of time", but overall I think quite a few figures that haven't been visited since the POTF2 days could stand a nice re-do.  Not an entire line of the, but having a few here and there alongside "all new" figures would be just fine with me.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Jesse James on August 30, 2005, 09:05 PM
Count me in on resculpts too...  Figures like Boussh Leia are the kinda things that make me giddy because I think their previous versions are so terrible.  My resculpt list, just off the top of my head, would be like this:

-Nein Numb (reuse Ten's head and make a new hat)
-SA Endor Han Solo (I'd like a removable softgoods coat, but a coat ala Agen Kolar's robe...  Now that'd make EVERYONE happy on that figure I think)
-SA Bespin Luke...  Can't stand the Saga figure at all.  Too pre-posed, not to mention the feature.
-SA Hoth Han Solo...  Terrible figure overall IMO.  Give him a removable hat, a removable hood (or softgoods) and I'm game for that figure.
-Hoth Leia
-SA Hoth Luke (I'd like to see the Saga sculpt sligthly improved upon to include a working holster, maybe damaged and undamaged heads)
-Hoth Rebel Footsoldier (I want this more than the tan-vest Vintage figure personally)
-SA Qui-Gon
-SA Obi-Wan E1
-SA Scout Trooper (New bike, to-scale, would be nice.  Something that's nicely done like Stass Allie's BARC is)
-SA Death Star Trooper (re-use the head/helmet of the POTF2 one even)
-X-Wing Luke (still haven't done this figure justice)
-Snowspeeder Luke
-"Imperial Officer"...  True grey-tuniced Officer.  I'd like Veers w/removable armor, helmet, and hat to be the base for this figure really.
-Red Leader (pack-in blows)
-Klaatu, Nikto, and Barada...  Given the Cantina wave last year, I know these 3 can be done ala their vintage figures and look 100x better than the 3-pack figures looked.
-C-3PO (multiple points of articulation utilizing the articulation socket style that the ROTS figure has...  It can be done)
-ANH Ben (VOTC sorta bites).
-ESB Boba Fett (utilizing VOTC Fett as a basis but with some new "tweaks").
-Bespin Guard (dunno where they got the open jacket from).
-SA Bespin Han (why not?  I like the POTJ figure, and I'd say to even re-use the torso, upper-arms, and headsculpt, but some new lower arms, more articulation, and new articulated legs would be welcome).
-SA Endor Rebel Soldier (same as Hoth Trooper, I'd like a new figure).
-SA Rebel Fleet Trooper (Same as Hoth and Endor).
-Imperial "Technician"...  That POTF2 sculpt is beat.
-AT-ST Driver (see above).
-ANH Luke (VOTC bites).
-Wicket (how about one that's properly sized).
-R2 w/pop-up saber (just a compartment for a hilt, no gimmick).
-R5-D4 (duh).
-Han Stormtrooper
-Luke Stormtrooper
-Chewie w/Chains (VOTC Chewie, just with a removable dog collar...  I'd be content with that).
-SA Snowtrooper

And that's just off the top of my head, and just classic stuff save for E1 Obi and QGJ.  There's a lot of sub-par figures out there that don't "fit" quite as well next to some of the stellar home-runs we got like VOTC Han or the VOTC Stormtrooper.

While I'd put the army builders at the top of my list, especially the rebels (with the Impy's a close 2nd), I can't say that any of those figures would disappoint me if Hasbro put them out and did them justice.

BTW, I think it'd be great if Hasbro would re-release OTC Dagobah Luke but put him out with a set of poseable bare arms for those of us who prefer that.  It'd be nice if at least his arms were a bit "more" than the 2 posed sets.

Resculpt away is my motto though... 
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Paul on August 31, 2005, 04:09 PM
I like your list Jesse (of course you know I would) I did notice one that I really think is deserving of a Super Articulated version....

TUSKEN RAIDER!!  I'm not usually a person that clamors for Aliens, but these guys have been in the OT and Prequel enough to deserve the SA...
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Darth Broem on September 3, 2005, 12:30 PM
So, where they actually going to make some more of these VOTC in 2006?  Was there ever an official word or just that Swami report at GH several months back? 

Personally I hope they do have some more up their sleeves. 
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Darth_Anton on September 3, 2005, 03:09 PM
Count me in on resculpts too...  Figures like Boussh Leia are the kinda things that make me giddy because I think their previous versions are so terrible.  My resculpt list, just off the top of my head, would be like this:

-Nein Numb (reuse Ten's head and make a new hat)
-SA Endor Han Solo (I'd like a removable softgoods coat, but a coat ala Agen Kolar's robe...  Now that'd make EVERYONE happy on that figure I think)
-SA Bespin Luke...  Can't stand the Saga figure at all.  Too pre-posed, not to mention the feature.
-SA Hoth Han Solo...  Terrible figure overall IMO.  Give him a removable hat, a removable hood (or softgoods) and I'm game for that figure.
-Hoth Leia
-SA Hoth Luke (I'd like to see the Saga sculpt sligthly improved upon to include a working holster, maybe damaged and undamaged heads)
-Hoth Rebel Footsoldier (I want this more than the tan-vest Vintage figure personally)
-SA Qui-Gon
-SA Obi-Wan E1
-SA Scout Trooper (New bike, to-scale, would be nice.  Something that's nicely done like Stass Allie's BARC is)
-SA Death Star Trooper (re-use the head/helmet of the POTF2 one even)
-X-Wing Luke (still haven't done this figure justice)
-Snowspeeder Luke
-"Imperial Officer"...  True grey-tuniced Officer.  I'd like Veers w/removable armor, helmet, and hat to be the base for this figure really.
-Red Leader (pack-in blows)
-Klaatu, Nikto, and Barada...  Given the Cantina wave last year, I know these 3 can be done ala their vintage figures and look 100x better than the 3-pack figures looked.
-C-3PO (multiple points of articulation utilizing the articulation socket style that the ROTS figure has...  It can be done)
-ANH Ben (VOTC sorta bites).
-ESB Boba Fett (utilizing VOTC Fett as a basis but with some new "tweaks").
-Bespin Guard (dunno where they got the open jacket from).
-SA Bespin Han (why not?  I like the POTJ figure, and I'd say to even re-use the torso, upper-arms, and headsculpt, but some new lower arms, more articulation, and new articulated legs would be welcome).
-SA Endor Rebel Soldier (same as Hoth Trooper, I'd like a new figure).
-SA Rebel Fleet Trooper (Same as Hoth and Endor).
-Imperial "Technician"...  That POTF2 sculpt is beat.
-AT-ST Driver (see above).
-ANH Luke (VOTC bites).
-Wicket (how about one that's properly sized).
-R2 w/pop-up saber (just a compartment for a hilt, no gimmick).
-R5-D4 (duh).
-Han Stormtrooper
-Luke Stormtrooper
-Chewie w/Chains (VOTC Chewie, just with a removable dog collar...  I'd be content with that).
-SA Snowtrooper

And that's just off the top of my head, and just classic stuff save for E1 Obi and QGJ.  There's a lot of sub-par figures out there that don't "fit" quite as well next to some of the stellar home-runs we got like VOTC Han or the VOTC Stormtrooper.


That's an awsome list! I've been wanting to do this, but haven't had the time.
Title: Soft goods
Post by: Paul on October 20, 2005, 09:56 PM
ok far with the previews of SAGA figs we haven't seen much in the way of soft goods, but I have come up with MY personal definative preference for Soft Goods. and this seemed like the only place it would fit in withou making a new topic.....

I like Soft Goods if done properly, but also when they are a continuous piece.  An example.....In the Evolutions Packs....ROTS Anakin's Robe with Hood, is a decent Soft Good.  But when they make the "skirt" portion of a tunic soft goods, when the upper part is molded...it really bugs me.  Like Evolutions Count Dooku and Emperor.  But it is ok as part of the Jerkin that AOTC Anakin has on.

That being said...IF we get Han Endor, i want an All Soft goods Trench Coat....or All Soft Goods Poncho on Endor Luke and Leia.....
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Nathan on October 20, 2005, 10:49 PM
Hey moderators....

I actually have a soft goods thread (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=7547.0) like that in the ROTS forum; moving it over here to the Saga Collection forum might work better than appending discussion to the end of this thread (which is frankly kind of obsolete now that we have an entire forum, but that's another issue entirely)....

Just trying to help. :)
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: ROTJLuke on October 24, 2005, 07:59 PM
I think theres a possibility of it comming back. I really want SA versions of the core characters in their various outfits:

DSII/Endor/Carcoon Battle Luke
Endor Han/Leia
Hoth Luke/Han/Leia
Bespin Luke/Han/Leia
Snowspeeder Luke
Qui-Gon
TPM/AOTC Obi Wan
AOTC/ROTS Mace Windu
ROTS/ROTJ Emperor

Etc. You guys get the picture  8)
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Darby on October 28, 2005, 04:51 AM
I'm almost convinced it will return, in some fashion.  And I think it will encompass all six films (or at least I hope so.)  And since we don't have enough lists around here, I offer one more:

Darb's super duper dream V - PT / OTC wishlist (all SA):

TPM:

Qui Gon
Obi Wan
Maul
Pre-Senate Padme

AOTC:
Jango
Mace
Dooku
Clone Trooper

ROTS:
Anakin
Grievous
Sidious Senate Duel
Yoda

ANH:
Jawa
X-Wing Luke
Tusken Raider
Chewie (EB repack is fine by me)

ESB:
Snowtrooper
Hoth Han
Rebel Soldier
Hoth Leia

ROTJ:
Endor/DS II Luke
Scout Trooper
Endor Leia
Endor Han
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Brian on October 28, 2005, 09:13 AM
I'm really hoping that we see the return of the VOTC style line as well, just because that might be a great way for us to get SA versions that seem to be missing from the rumor lists (Endor Han/Luke/Leia, Scout Troopers, Snowtroopers, X-Wing Luke, etc.)  There was a bit of a cryptic comment in that RS report today on the Yavin wave, mentioning the absence of a new X-Wing Luke in the wave but saying we'll get it elsewhere.  That could possibly lean towards more VOTC figures, or maybe something else entirely (Evolutions?).  I really hope we get some info on that sometime soon though.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Brian on November 1, 2005, 01:36 PM
Rebelscum (http://www.rebelscum.com/story/front/The_411_VOTC_95623.asp) now has another "411" up regarding the future of the VOTC figures.  Sounds like there's more on the way, and their listing includes 5 new figures....

Tusken Raider
X-Wing Luke Skywalker
Greedo
Han Solo - Endor
Biker Scout

More details at the linky above.  Doesn't sound as if any ESB figures are known of at this time, but they are saying "that doesn't mean they won't show up later on".  Kind of up in the air, although 5 VOTC figures does seem like a bit of an odd number to put out.  Either way, I'm not complaining if we can get SA versions of Endor Han, X-Wing Luke, Scout Trooper, and the Tusken.  They can fill out the cases by repackaging Stormtroopers and some of the other greats from the first run of VOTC...as long as the "new" figures aren't shortpacked because of it.  Who knows, nice to get some news on this though, hopefully it is true.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: SilverZ on November 1, 2005, 02:14 PM
A soft goods Tusken makes a lot of sense, so thumbs up there.

An X-Wing Fighter Luke that didn't suck would be huge, huge, huge for me. He's my most nostalgic vintage figures. Lots of memories of that figure and that card. I'd love to see an SA version.

Greedo. I suppose in terms of nostalgia, he's the number one alien to be done, so I understand the choice. But really, what can be done with him that hasn't already been accomplished in the other versions? I thought the OTC release with the quality redeco was more than I'd ever have expected out of the character. So "meh" on this one for me.

Han Endor is a relief. I'll expect some goodness here.

Biker Scout? Its about friggin' time. Good stuff.

So, I take it the ESB stuff is just missing off their list here. There doesn't seem to be a lot of Imperials on here so I'll keep my fingers crossed that we see an SA Snowtrooper show up. I'd guess that there would be a core character lurking in the wave, probably Leia. The only new Leia from ESB that would make sense would be a Hoth version, I'd think.

Very interesting news.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Jeff on November 1, 2005, 02:17 PM
although 5 VOTC figures does seem like a bit of an odd number to put out. 

I can see the case assortment already...

Wave 1:
4x X-Wing Pilot Luke
2x Tusken
2x Greedo

Wave 2:
1x Biker Scout
2x Endor Han
3x X-Wing Pilot Luke
1x Tusken
1x Greedo

 :P


If these rumors they are posting turn out to be true, I'll have mixed feelings.  I love the idea of more vOTC figures, but I'll get really frustrated if I have to keep shelling out $20-25 per figure (1 carded, 1 opener).   :(

Something about doing more of these kind of cheapens the first set that we have - they start to lose their uniqueness and start to look more and more like a money grab by Hasbro to inflate the cost of the figures.

They can give us a SA RotS Clone Trooper for $5, but a SA RotJ Biker Scout will cost $11?   :-\
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Darby on November 1, 2005, 02:24 PM
The Biker Scout and Endor Han are great news, but I was hoping for something about PT characters.  Maybe there will be yet (and a Snowtrooper).  Hammerhead would have made more sense in this line than in the other if you ask me.  I think they've covered Greedo fine.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Jayson on November 1, 2005, 02:25 PM

They can give us a SA RotS Clone Trooper for $5, but a SA RotJ Biker Scout will cost $11?   :-\

Good point!
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Nathan on November 1, 2005, 02:26 PM
Yep, good point there Jeff. :-\

Tusken -- hells yeah! (http://cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/froehlich/f060.gif)

Greedo -- sounds good.

SA biker scout -- yes please

Endor Han and X-Wing Luke -- meh, whatever
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: ruiner on November 1, 2005, 02:29 PM
And how about the mail away George Lucas?  I like the idea but I'm not excited about the lack of flannel.  Stormtrooper armour just doesn't make sense...

 ???
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Jayson on November 1, 2005, 02:30 PM
I welcome the Endor Han, i've wanted a new one for a long time with soft goods trench coat.

But instead of Greedo & X-Wing Luke I would have like a Death Squad Commander or maybe a Bespin Fatigues Luke
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Nathan on November 1, 2005, 02:32 PM
^^ Ruiner, I was just about to post about that.

"Remember the George Lucas figure mentioned previously? Word on the street is it could be offered as a mail in figure through the VOTC line. It would require five VOTCproof of purchases, and we might find the offer printed or stickered on the cards. Sadly, we also hear that the Lucas figure will once again be playing 501st and forgoing his standard flannel armour in favour of Stormtrooper armour. Maybe if we pretend we didn't hear that it'll go away..."

That's so bogus. >:( Five VOTCs is insane. Why not make it ten basic figures--you'll get a lot more takers.

And stormtrooper with a George Lucas head ... big whoop-de-doo. ::) Why not Papanoida?? They're always talking about how hard it was to get GL to approve Jorg Sacul, and he's not too likely to do another. Yet here they are doing some stoopid headswap?? I figured there was a chance for Papanoida though, since he's a legitimate character.....

Bah, I say! ???
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Brian on November 1, 2005, 02:36 PM
Quote
They can give us a SA RotS Clone Trooper for $5, but a SA RotJ Biker Scout will cost $11?

This is a great point Jeff, and I agree.  That being said, if this lineup turns out to be true I can't wait to get my hands on them.  I've wanted a new, SA Endor Han for quite some time, and the Biker Scout and X-Wing Luke are high on my list as well.  I'm happy with all that we've heard so far, and if this is the only way we'll get them, then that's how it is I guess.

I'm wondering about the lack of prequel figures here as well, but I guess the "VOTC" is really a vintage Star Wars type of line.  Looking at what we've gotten this past year, many of the "main" characters have been covered through the ROTS or Evolutions line, that are pretty much to the VOTC standard (ROTS Pilot Obi, Evo Anakin, SA/Evo Clonetroopers, ROTS/Evo Dooku, ROTS Evo Palps, ROTS Evo Maul, etc.  There can always be improvements, and there are a whole lot of other figures I'd like to see done...but maybe they can be snuck into the basic line, or bring back the Evolution sets.  If we could see TPM/AOTC Obi-Wans, Qui-Gon, Jango Fett, and more Padmes, I think it would go a long way towards satisfying the "VOTC" theme for the prequels.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: ruiner on November 1, 2005, 02:46 PM
Hasbro claims it's the packaging that adds the extra $4.  I could care less about the packaging - I say let VOTC die - it was a cool idea at the time because of the DVD release.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Jeff on November 1, 2005, 03:30 PM
Hasbro claims it's the packaging that adds the extra $4.  I could care less about the packaging - I say let VOTC die - it was a cool idea at the time because of the DVD release.

I am inclined to agree.  Like I said above, the vOTC line-up ROCKED, but that's in the past. 

After the spending deluge of RotS this year, I am no longer so keen on the idea of doling out an extra $5 just for fancy packaging for a new line of vOTC. 

$10 per figure sucks, especially for my opener figures, and even more especially when I know they could just give us the figures as basics for $5.


Plus in this era of repacks/repaints, it will suck even more when we learn that the vOTC Endor Han is just the same vOTC ANH Han with a new soft goods trenchcoat...   :P
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Morgbug on November 1, 2005, 03:59 PM
Hasbro claims it's the packaging that adds the extra $4.  I could care less about the packaging - I say let VOTC die - it was a cool idea at the time because of the DVD release.

Ayup, I'll agree with that. 
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: speedermike on November 1, 2005, 04:26 PM
I would love to see some prequel figures given the VOTC treatment, only because I really want to see prequel characters on classic big picture cards.  That alone would hook me.

Maybe they should get rid of the VOTC title, and just call it something silly like  Star Wars Premium Grade.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: John C on November 1, 2005, 04:32 PM
Here is what I am hoping to see from VOTC 2:

ANH
X-wing Luke
Greedo
Tusken Raider
either a Jawa or Death Squad Commander

ESB
Bespin Luke
Hoth Han
Hoth Leia
Hoth Stormie

ESB
Endor Han
Biker Scout
Endor Leia
Jedi Luke or Endor Luke
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Darth Broem on November 1, 2005, 09:01 PM
Well I like the idea and am glad they are continuing.  If nothing else I get some nice cardbacks without spending a small fortune for the vintage cardbacks.  Hopefully the figures themselve will rock and there will be no C-3PO type duds.  For some reason I am really excited for the Tusken Raider.  But yeah a Luke Bespin would be nice. 

Hmmmmm, Lucas as a stormtrooper is interesting.  Of course it sounds like maybe we'll have to destroy the cardbacks to get the mail in. 
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: MetalJedi on November 1, 2005, 09:47 PM
The VOTC can die after I get my SA Qui Gon Jinn  ;D. On these Im really looking forward to the Biker Scout. My favorite trooper from the OT. The Tusken Raider sounds good too. Will be good to have an extra so I can make a proper SA Shared Hett.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Jesse James on November 2, 2005, 12:26 AM
The whole set sounds potentially great to me short of Greedo.  I really didn't need VOTC Greedo and really think the Death Squad Trooper was a much better choice.

Anyways, Han and Scout are bound to be fantastic figures and I hope they're everything we could possibly want.  I think the Scout will be short-changed if he doesn't have the AT-TE Gunner ball/socket hips though for riding on the bikes.  Short of that though I don't see how they can screw that figure up given the formula they have to work with.

Luke and the Tusken Raider sound great...  Luke's needed a resculpt for certain and the Tusken Raider is a figure that could be a great army builder to only show-up the current Tuskens.

OK, now that said......

Yes, they can give us SA and all this "ultimate" quality for $5-$6 that we've been paying for the regular line, and it's total bull**** that they're charging $4 - $5 for essentially flashy packaging.  I like the VOTC packaging a lot, it's purdy and all, and given the price I'm even inclined to keep the packaging as wall decoration or a backdrop to the figures or some such, but given my choice of "$10 figures in fancy packaging", or "The same figure in normal packaging", I think it's obvious I'd be with the rest of you in taking $5 figures in cheap packaging.

To me, the packaging is just Hasbro's way of milking fans for extra...  Nothing more, nothing less, and unfortunately it seems like we aren't apt to get much more out of them.  They know we want that level of quality and the price just bites for us I guess because they're not going to be too giving with those kinds of figures in the basic line.  They should be, especially with all these repacks, but they're bound not to be.

I'm happy to see this kind of articulation on figures...  I'd much prefer Hasbro re-using THESE sculpts down the line on basic cards at basic prices though.  I mean, the VOTC Stormie should have been re-released as one of the first Saga figures and so far he's not showing on any rumor lists as making a comeback.  That's just plain stupid...  One can hold out hope (I certainly do) that these figures get re-used for cheaper at some point.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Darth_Anton on November 2, 2005, 12:55 AM
I'm just excited to get more VOTC. The X-wing Luke is going to be great customising fodder for upgrading older pilots and the Scout trooper is going to set me back a few bucks in army building. Good choices.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Darby on November 2, 2005, 04:42 AM
I only hope they re-use these molds somewhere (it's a bit silly not to if you ask me) and I agree, charging an extra $4-5 is nonsense when I just bought an Obi Wan Pilot for $4.31.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Rob on November 2, 2005, 02:11 PM
This is great news.  Put me down for 25 or 50 of those Scout Troopers.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Reid on November 2, 2005, 06:31 PM
Even though there will most likely be a $10 pricetag, I'll get the Scout Trooper. The Scouts definitly my most wanted figure from Saga2.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: JesseVader08 on November 10, 2005, 01:58 AM
Yodasnews:

"You also may have heard rumors that the old VOTC line is making a comeback and some reports of a mail away figure.  In a way,  VOTC is coming back but,  it wont be called VOTC, it will be called The Ultimate Bounty Hunt Collection. The line will kick off in 2006 and as of right now, it  will include 5 figures.

This new line will also have a mail away offer for a George Lucas Stormtrooper figure when you send in 5 coupons that you will have to cut from the back of the cards from The Ultimate Bounty Hunt Collection  line  (So it looks like MOC collectors will be picking up 2 sets of these). Of course,  this is still subject to change but it is latest we have heard.  Check back for more info, we will let you know as soon as we get it!  It sounds like Hasbro is going to make it another great year for collectors in 2006!"



That is quite the contrast from what RS (http://www.rebelscum.com/story/front/The_411_VOTC_95623.asp) reported last week.

"V. O. T. C. Individually the four letters have no power at all, but when arranged in this specific order, those four little letters have the power to make grown men weep. For wave two of the VOTC line, expect to be treated to the best sculpt and articulation your money can buy. This year Hasbro is offering us five new figures:

STAR WARS

We will be seeing three new Super Articulated figures on Star Wars cards. Expect to see Luke Skywalker (X-Wing Pilot) to come with a removable helmet and the Sand People figure to sport stylish soft goods robes. Greedo will feature all the bells and whistles you’d expect on a VOTC figure, but don’t expect anything extra cool.

Return Of The Jedi

While it is a bit of an assumption, it would be worth counting on the Han Solo (In Trench Coat) figure to include a soft goods trench coat. The Biker Scout is simply cool enough in its own right, so who could ask for anything more that the Super Articulated treatment. Wanting more would be like looking a gift horse in the mouth.

What? No The Empire Strikes Back figures???

At this point there is no word on any TESB or POTF carded figures in the line, but that doesn’t mean we won’t see them later on. We will be seeing our first send away figure though. Remember the George Lucas figure mentioned previously? Word on the street is it could be offered as a mail in figure through the VOTC line. It would require five VOTCproof of purchases, and we might find the offer printed or stickered on the cards. Sadly, we also hear that the Lucas figure will once again be playing 501st and forgoing his standard flannel armour in favour of Stormtrooper armour. Maybe if we pretend we didn't hear that it'll go away..."



OK, so there's a similarity with the Lucas in Stormtrooper armor, but that's about it.

Who knows which report we should take seriously?   ???
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Jesse James on November 10, 2005, 02:15 AM
"I can guess with the best of them..."

-Lewis Black
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Brian on November 10, 2005, 10:10 AM
I saw that YodasNews report earlier this morning as well, interesting to say the least.  Not much new there (still 5 figures...so far, mail away Lucas, etc.), aside from the name "The Ultimate Bounty Hunt Collection".  Interesting name.  I'm hoping we can get some solid information (or even better, pics) of what this line may hold.  Although I'm not crazy about a likely $10 pricepoint for figures again, I'm definitely looking forward to the possible SA versions of the Scout Trooper, Endor Han, X-Wing Luke, etc.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Jeff on November 10, 2005, 10:44 AM
"The Ultimate Bounty Hunt Collection"

I don't like the sound of that one bit...  that sounds WAY too close to "Treasure Hunt" to me.  I know it's just a stupid rumor report at the moment, but I'm already starting to worry "what if" around a name that involves the word "hunt".     :-\
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: ruiner on November 10, 2005, 10:55 AM
I personally don't care what they call it, as long as the product is top notch.

And I love mailaway figures, I just wish George would give them the go-ahead to do a flannel shirt version of himself.

A stormie with a GL head just doesn't make sense...Jorg Sacul made sense because all of the X-Wing pilots are different (not clones).

Stormtroopers all look the same.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Jeff on November 10, 2005, 10:57 AM
A stormie with a GL head just doesn't make sense...

Stormtroopers all look the same.

Maybe this is George's way of finally telling us who the empire used for the new Clone Template for Episodes 4, 5, 6?  Maybe under the helmet of all the OT Stormies was George's face?   :P
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Jayson on November 10, 2005, 11:13 AM
"The Ultimate Bounty Hunt Collection"

I don't like the sound of that one bit...  that sounds WAY too close to "Treasure Hunt" to me.  I know it's just a stupid rumor report at the moment, but I'm already starting to worry "what if" around a name that involves the word "hunt".     :-\

They should call them "Premier Edition, "Star Wars Elite" or "Star Wars Select" . The name they chose screams "exclusivity", "chase" & "scalpers wet-dream"
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Darth Slothus on November 10, 2005, 11:13 AM
No wonder they (the stormies) got tactically dumber and couldn't shoot anymore... ::)
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: SilverZ on November 10, 2005, 02:00 PM
They should call them "Premier Edition, "Star Wars Elite" or "Star Wars Select" . The name they chose screams "exclusivity", "chase" & "scalpers wet-dream"

Yeah, those would all be better names. If they actually used a name like Ultimate Bounty Hunt they might as well make them ebay exclusive. I hope this is a bogus rumor. But considering they're including chase pieces into the Titanium series, it seems like a possible direction Hasbro is taking.

ul·ti·mate
the best or most extreme of its kind : UTMOST

boun·ty
a reward, premium, or subsidy especially when offered or given by a government: as a : an extra allowance to induce entry into the armed services b : a grant to encourage an industry c : a payment to encourage the destruction of noxious animals d : a payment for the capture of or assistance in the capture of an outlaw

hunt
to pursue with intent to capture <hunted the escapees> b : to search out : SEEK


Pretty far ******* afield from "a figure for everyone that wants one" from a couple years back.


Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: CHEWIE on November 10, 2005, 02:48 PM
Honestly, I'm not too excited about the X-Wing Luke.  We need a new Snowspeeder version of him much more badly... and as for making custom X-Wing pilots, I'll just keep using the Dutch Vander body, which is just a $5.00 figure and is damn near perfect.

The others?


Greedo - Guess it makes sense, though I'd rather see Tarkin or a Death Star Trooper get the royal treatment.

Tusken Raider - Already have about 25 or so mixes of the POTJ/SAGA versions, but a few more might be nice, especially if it has cloth goods.

Han Solo - Makes sense... but I still think they should just add this into a Han Solo Evolutions set

Scout Trooper - Please, please do this the right way...


I think they are missing the boat in not offering in some fashion Han and Luke Stormtroopers in the VOTC style...

 :P
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Darby on November 10, 2005, 02:51 PM
Honestly this whole thing makes less and less sense the more I hear it.  What point is there doing vintage cards within this whole 'bounty hunt' scheme?  And only five, without even touching Empire?  And why a Lucas figure, when they've been telling us he doesn't want any more figures of him? 

But after looking at that new Geonosis case assortment, you know, maybe anything goes at Hasbro now.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Nathan on November 10, 2005, 03:15 PM
Yeah, this is sounding more and more retarded. And I'm still not sure I believe the Lucas rumor. ???
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Jesse James on November 10, 2005, 09:01 PM
"The Ultimate Bounty Hunt Collection"

I don't like the sound of that one bit...  that sounds WAY too close to "Treasure Hunt" to me.  I know it's just a stupid rumor report at the moment, but I'm already starting to worry "what if" around a name that involves the word "hunt".     :-\

I 100% agree with this Jeff, and I'm a bit worried too.  Ultimate figures should NEVER be hard to find, but as we've seen in the past, Hasbro likes to prove the logical route as the one they're not going to travel.  If they're easy to find, that's 1 good mark for Hasbro.  If they're somehow less than $10 each then there's a 2nd good mark.  I'd be ok with $7 or $8 really...  $10's going to sting if this is an ongoing thing to get quality.  Hasbro can do better for a better price, especially with all the rehashes they're putting out there that they know will sell to carded collectors or kids.

I guess Hasbro only feels we "deserve" quality in the line if they can make more off it though so I'm not too hopeful on the price being anything but $10.  Making them hard to find is only a bigger slap in the face then, and I wouldn't doubt it if that rumor holds true from Yoda's News.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Darth_Anton on November 11, 2005, 10:32 AM
It's fun to speculate until we hear for sure. Which report is true, given the sources, I would say that both have some truth and some rumor.

The thing that worries me the most about TUBHC is the glaring lack of the word Vintage. It seems to open up the dreaded possibility of PT figs as part of the collection.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: ROTJLuke on November 14, 2005, 07:58 PM
It's fun to speculate until we hear for sure. Which report is true, given the sources, I would say that both have some truth and some rumor.

The thing that worries me the most about TUBHC is the glaring lack of the word Vintage. It seem to open up the dreaded possibility of PT figs as part of the collection.


But think about it this way, OT figures that never saw the light of day in the Vintage era. Stormtrooper Han, DS Duel Luke, GM Tarkin, etc. Figures that would be awesome on those type cardbacks and SA!  :)
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Darth_Anton on November 15, 2005, 10:04 AM
It's fun to speculate until we hear for sure. Which report is true, given the sources, I would say that both have some truth and some rumor.

The thing that worries me the most about TUBHC is the glaring lack of the word Vintage. It seems to open up the dreaded possibility of PT figs as part of the collection.


But think about it this way, OT figures that never saw the light of day in the Vintage era. Stormtrooper Han, DS Duel Luke, GM Tarkin, etc. Figures that would be awesome on those type cardbacks and SA!  :)

I think I'd still call foul. Sure, all those figures and more would be most welcome, but, I think they can skip the Vintage-esque cards on them. But, that's just me.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: CHEWIE on November 15, 2005, 12:43 PM
One figure/character that I think keeps getting overlooked is a nice Endor Leia, complete w/ removable helmet and a good poncho, and of course SA treatment.

 :P
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: ROTJLuke on November 15, 2005, 07:38 PM
One figure/character that I think keeps getting overlooked is a nice Endor Leia, complete w/ removable helmet and a good poncho, and of course SA treatment.

 :P


Dont forget her brother!