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Community => Watto's Junk Yard => Topic started by: Vator on July 5, 2005, 02:35 AM
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With Tropical Storm Arlene long gone,
and Tropical Depression III poised to become Tropical Storm Bret befour hitting the Louisiana Coast this week, I figured it'd be a good time to make a 2005 Hurricane Season thread...since I don't think we have one yet.
Forecasts point to an increased amount of activity this year. Lets see how it plays out. My guess is that Tropical Depression IV will become Hurricane Cindy within the next 120 hours and pose a threat to the Florida Gulf coast, actually pretty close to Charleys path last year.
Edit: Way to make an ass of myself. Did I miss something? What happened to Bret?
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Looks like the surfint will be good on the East coast! :o
When I lived near Cape Hatteras in NC, I'd track all the hurricanes/tropical storms so I knew when the best waves would arrive.
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Latest tracks show Dennis hitting the western pan handle of Florida and the Alabama/Mississipi coast. Also anticipated to hit as a catagory 4... :-\
Down here in Upstate SC, Cindy caused some pretty good flooding and spawned a few tornado warnings. I know I was up all night tracking on Wednesday (11:30pm-1:10pm)...I think there was one touch down in the area though. About 9 miles west of Spartanburg, Highway Patrol reported seeing one on the ground, however the SPC didn't count it in its storm reports ( ???), so I question the validity of the report.
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175mph SUSTAINED winds with Katrina now...no major change in strength expected before landfall. Good luck to everyone in the path of this monster...she's about as strong as Camille of '69, except larger.
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Hope no JD'ers are in Katrina's path. :o I have a bunch of family in LA. Been trying to get in touch with the Baton Rouge clan but I can't raise them -- hopefully they headed west. ???
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I heard reports or 10-18 feet of water in New Orleans. :o I really hope those are wrong. :-\
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I love New Orleans -- it is one of my favorite American cities. Besides seeing anyone get hurt or losing their possessions, I just can't stand the thought of that city getting torn up.
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I hope for those people that this isn't as bad as they say but I know its going to be bad. Hopefully this won't be a large death toll event especially with the people still in the city, SuperDome etc. Prayers go out to anyone there.
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I'm reading things that suggest that it will be catastrophic at best. Things like - it will take up to 6 months to drain the flooding... there will be nothing left to return to, etc... etc... etc...
I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst.
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Best of luck to anyone who lives in the path of Katrina. My prayers are with you.
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Yikes, I can't help but watch the Weather Channel religiously right now. Scary stuff.
And like last year in September, this Hurricane's current path projections have it on a straight heading for Pittsburgh about mid-week. Obviously it'll diminish at that stage, but last year's hurricane caused heavy damage to our area, and was something I got caught up in so I'm taking those days "off" basically and doing nothing but defending my property here as best I can. My have to help at the little lady's place too though since she was in a majorly hit area last time and I'd expect nothing short of the same this time.
I hope the people down on the gulf coast are alright... At the same time I have to prepare for my own potential problems from this. Scary seeing it coming like this.
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That's really weird thinking about Pittsburg getting hurricanes for some reason. I hope all goes well for you guys JJ. Is there a another hurricane headed towards you now? All I hear about is Katrina. Aside from the damage it will cause, Katrina is fascinating. Is amazing storms can get that big. :o :-\
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They're not Hurricanes by the time they reach in where we are, but Katrina's slated to come right up the Ohio Valley and nail Pittsburgh. The damage they can do here's severe though. Ivan last year was right after another one, and the 1-2 punch they created was pretty severe. Ivan pretty much did it all on its own though, and caused massive flooding, landslides, deaths, damage... I got stranded last year north of the city from about 3:30 to midnight trying to figure out how I'd get at least to my gf's house on backroads since every main route was out of order for the night pretty much.
It was a rough night, and I wasn't home to take care of the house which almost had water on our first floor level... I was at my gf's which flooded in the basement fortunately, but people down from her had total losses... They're still cleaning up around here from last year. It's a mess, and there's a ton of fear about what Katrina could do. Some are predicting far worse, others less, so who knows. All I know is I'm not getting stuck out in it.
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We started getting some pretty decent storms here in Nashville around 11 last night. It's back to being just sprinkles right now, but the real part of the storm isn't supposed to show up until late tonight. Can't imagine being in NO right now.
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Seems a night can change a lot. They're predicting a lot less, and the national weather service is advising that we're less prone to damage because our creeks/streams are very low right now due to an unbareably hot summer. So perhaps not much to worry about.
We've been getting drizzly rain all day Jamie, no storms yet, but just steady rain.
They were down the road working on a guy's house that rests along the creek on a bend. His house's foundation was exposed by the floods last September, so the township decided after ALLLLLLLL summer of leaning on their shovels to "get off the pot" and work to get that wall down there fortified against the potential of a flood.
Looks like that's not gonna happen now though? I don't know... The news is changing their tune tonight, so whatever.
EDIT:
So the news was just confirming it definitely won't be as bad due to a few factors:
-It's moving a lot faster than Ivan did.
-We've got dry DRY ground up here right now, so they're actually welcoming the rain.
-Streams/creeks are low...
-It's not going to hit us directly since it has a more westward direction right now.
So, whatever. Doom & Gloom last night goes to praise for the rain today. Weathermen are among the lowest respected people I can think of. No job allows you as much leeway I think.
Hopefully NO's able to get back on track and this is "it" for the hurricane season.
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:P
ANY Hurricane makes SOME of us really nervous now. Last year, we took 3 direct hits in 6 weeks. :o
The aftermath is the worst part, it takes a long time to recover. Repairs still continue a year later here, from shortages on materials and contractors.
Prayers be with anyone affected by this latest monster Katrina.
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So the latest story is extremely strong thunderstorms and an heightened chance for Tornadoes out my way. Why, I do not know. And as it turns out I'm going to have to make a trip that day anyway... Shazbot.
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Same here JJ, as a matter of fact the enviorment here looks favorable for several tornadic events. Not cool, to say the least.
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So the latest story is extremely strong thunderstorms and an heightened chance for Tornadoes out my way. Why, I do not know.
I saw something on the Weather Channel last night that said that the outer bands of the storm -- about 200-300 miles east of the storm would produce sever thunderstorms and tornadoes -- that's probably what it is heading your way. They just put us -- the Charlotte area -- under a Tornado/Severe Weather Watch for the day -- :P
Been watching the news the a.m. -- the devastation in NO and the MS Gulf Coast is unbelievable. My thoughts and prayers go out to them -- along with supplies we're sending to our local Red Cross.
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I stayed up until about 4 last night hoping to see some strong storms, but this one really died out by the time it got here. We've had much heavier storms over the last month than this one turned out to be. It's still supposed to rain a couple of inches and have decent wind gusts the rest of the day, but this doesn't look anything like I expected it to. I'll be surprised if you see much of anything at all Jesse.
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Yeah, we've gotten just off-on rain... Sometimes steady drizzle, but sometimes heavy downpours, then sometimes it just quit...
I've heard no thunder what-so-ever. Weathermen are a waste of perfectly good airtime on TV I think.
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Unfortunately I am sad to say most of your reports are true. As a suburnban New Orleans resident I have to say the destruction is nothing short of spectacular. I have just received word that my home may not have been damaged as badly as I had thought. I just hope the looters have no clue how much some of my vintage carded G.I.Joes hanging on my wall will fetch them. :(
I was going to ride out the storm when it was still a category 3. But sunday morning my roommate woke me up to say that she was now a cat 5 and that we needed to get the hell out now. After a harrowing 12 hour car ride in bumper to bumper traffic, we finally managed to get to one of my roommates relaqtives house in Scott LA outside of Lafayette. A ride that should only take 2 hours I might add.
Seeing the destruction of all of the things, and places you take for granted is nothing short of horrifying. The Target, and Walmart I was shopping for figs at no less than 3 days ago is now completely gutted, and practicly leveled. the water on Canal street is now waist high and rising because of no less than 2 levee breeches.They say the water will be almost 12 feet high by 6 am. There are fires burning out of control in Metarie that fire fighters cannot even get to. And of course there are inevitably looters abounding that many suspect set the very same fires ablaze to begin with. Mayor Nagan and Gov. Blanco have declared Martial Law over a good portion of the state. Its like a horror movie come to life. I wish I were making this out to be more than it is but unfortunately I'm not.
The worst part about all of this is I still have no concrete proof that I even have a home to go back to. They wont even start letting people back in until monday at the earliest. Of course with no power, sewerage, or clean water, Im not sure Ill even be able to go back homeany time soon.
Now I know what the people in Singapore felt like.
This was our Tsunami. and my heart goes out to them for surviving it.
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Very sorry to hear that Ennis, my thoughts are with you. EDIT: No doubt you've already heard this, but they're going to be letting residents back into town next week with Identification to get clothes and other neccesities, but then ya'll won't be let back in for a month. http://www.wwltv.com/
This is an absolutley astonishing storm...price of gas has gone back up too, word has it its 2.99 in NY...anyone care to confirm that?
So the latest story is extremely strong thunderstorms and an heightened chance for Tornadoes out my way. Why, I do not know.
Simply stated:
Because landfalling Tropical Systems often offset the existing balance of the atmosphere around them. Since they generally provide their own wind feilds, this interacts with the existing wind flow...allowing for wind shear, or turning of the winds with height.
Now if a thunderstorm taps into this shear, then rotation can develope inside the cell. When a storm begins to rotate, the National Weather Service will generally issue a Tornado Warning for the area...however, rotation does not neccesarily equate to a tornado, as a tornado can only occur once the rotation reaches the ground.
Thankfully in most cases, tornados spawned by Tropical Cyclones are weak and short lived. Although there are rare instances like the 1989 F3 that actually hit my city thanks to a landfalling tropical system that caused something like 2 million dollars in damage to crops and commercial interests.
the Charlotte area
Charlotte eh? Spartanburg here.
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Ennis -- I am so sorry to hear that you were wiped out by this storm -- my heart goes out to everyone in LA, MS & AL. While you may have lost all of your stuff, I'm glad to hear you got out with your most important possession -- YOU! 8)
the Charlotte area
Charlotte eh? Spartanburg here.
Hey Neighbor :)
Tracy
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Best wishes to you Ennis. I hope you have a home to go back to - I can't even imagine how that would feel.
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[http://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/originals/oilstorm/main.html]Oil Storm examines what happenes when a Category 6 hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico slams into Louisiana, crushing the city of New Orleans and crippling the vital pipeline for refined oil that is Port Fourchon.[/url]
Take a gander. Spooky. :(
Kevin
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In Atlanta some stations have gas at $5.89 a gallon. Most of that is just to scare off people since they have a low supply right now and are trying to get more. Ennis hope everything goes okay with your house and stuff, looters suck. One thing to loot for your family and your's survial nothing thing to do it for new stuff. The one thing I can't wait for is when the AG offices in those states start taking the TV footage of all the looters who are looting in front of the carmeas. Two people I that I hope get caught are two female police officers who where in the shoe department at a Walmart with a basket/cart, looking around.
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Are you serious? I didn't see that footage. Thats so pitiful its hilarious. ;D I'm going to have to turn the news on again. There is a spark of good news, I will be able to go back on monday. I'm not sure they are going to let me stay, and under the conditions I m not sure iI will be able to stay. But at least I know where I stand as far as being homeless or not.
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Ennis, I hope you're going to be alright and that your home/property is as safe and sound as it can be. Take care on your trips to your home when you are able to.
The TV footage of down there is just too much to watch at times. I was watching a thing about the looting last night and that's scary to see how things turn when law/order are lost. Saw something about a shoot-out between looters and stuff. Scary.
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Are you serious? I didn't see that footage. Thats so pitiful its hilarious. ;D I'm going to have to turn the news on again. There is a spark of good news, I will be able to go back on monday. I'm not sure they are going to let me stay, and under the conditions I m not sure iI will be able to stay. But at least I know where I stand as far as being homeless or not.
Not sure if you are talking about what I was saying about the cops looting. I'm not sure if the two females were actually cops or not, they had on blue uniforms which looked like police uniforms. I think it was on MSNBC where I saw the tape of this.
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Thoughts and prayers going out to everyone down there in Katrina's path. Hope the JD'ers and their friends and families make it through in good shape. Thanks for keeping us updated with your personal account on the devastation out there Ennis...
Brad, you out there bud? Still hoping to hear from you soon. Getting worried... :-\
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It goes without saying that no one person is more important than any others affected by this tragedy, but I was bummed to hear that Fats Domino, who lives in the 9th Ward, hasn't been heard from since Monday, when he told family members that he was going to ride out the storm in his third floor apartment.
Meanwhile, Yahoo! seems to have different definitions of stealing, depending on what you look like:
"Finding." (http://news.yahoo.com/photo/050830/photos_ts_afp/050830071810_shxwaoma_photo1)
"Looting." (http://news.yahoo.com/photo/050830/480/ladm10208301530)
>:(
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I'm on the fence about "looting". If it's food, in a disaster time like this, I say all is fair if you get to it. Alot of these people have no help coming to them for at least a week. The red cross stuff gets there, and you wait in line for a few hours and hope you get somthing. If not, "Sorry, try again tommorow." :-\
Kevin
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I'm on the fence about "looting". If it's food, in a disaster time like this, I say all is fair if you get to it. Alot of these people have no help coming to them for at least a week. The red cross stuff gets there, and you wait in line for a few hours and hope you get somthing. If not, "Sorry, try again tommorow." :-\
Kevin
Yeah, if I were a judge/cop (even though it is technically stealing) and I saw people "looting" a grocery store for bread/water or a pharmacy for bandages/medications (not illegal drugs like codiene), I could can see how you'd look the other way.
The people who are looting Best Buy, the Liquor store, the Gun section of Wal-Mart, etc - well that's just something else entirely. No reason they need to bust into the local electronic stores and cart off a brand new Plasma TV to help you "cope" with your loss... ::)
Looting Bread/Water to survive at a time like this - I can understand that.
Looting a Sony PSP and Johnny Walker - Yeah, that's stealing.
Jeff
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Looting guns I agree with. While it is martial law in most of Loisiana, police forces are decimated. There was a firefight the other day and cops didn't have ammo. They hardly have police cars. How are some of these people going to protect their families from theives who are taking high end items and such?
Then comes the "what if they are looting food from a house?" and thats a whole nother argument, and this is why I'm on the fence about it.
Kevin
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I have said it before like most of you I'm on the fencing on the looting thing, if it just stuff for surival (food, water, medicne, first aid and even a pair of shoes) then I can see people doing this and I'm okay with it. I hope that eventually some of these people could pay the stores back for what they took but I'm not seeing it happening since most of these people will have nothing when this is over. For those idiots that are looting everything else, inculding armful of shoes, then I hope they get proscuted to the fullest. I at the point where I hope the order is giving to shoot looters. In some parts of the area looters are crawling over dead bodies in homes to steal from them (I can't wait till these people get sick).
SFG, I agree with you that those two pictures are bad. There are alot more better pictures of people taking none esstentail items like TV's and other electroincs that they could of use.
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I'm into a bit of survivalism on the side, as some of you may know. Mostly it's my own paranoia, but it's good to have a "Bug Out" scenereo:
Natural disaster happens, and your trapped in a city of ruin. Your home is assumed ruined. Rescue is romored to come later in the week, leaving yo to fend for yourself for a while.
The first thing I would do is take an invantory of what is usable, and fixable. Food and fresh water, if I could. Then I'd establish a shelter. I'd also try and secure some sort of firearm, and at least 200 shots.
Securing some sort of radio is also high priority to keep a heads up on whats coming ie: more bad weather, evacuations, looters, fires, riots, etc.
Kevin
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I at the point where I hope the order is giving to shoot looters.
I can’t believe you said that, don’t you think there’s already enough death and mayhem?
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I agree that it's hard to fault someone for doing what they have to do to survive. Obviously, someone taking some food and water given the current conditions down there is understandable, and frankly at this point, advisable.
My comment (not really on topic) was that Yahoo! captioned the white people as carrying food they "found" and the black guy as carrying food he "looted."
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Well, I'm back and forth between the TV here, and they were just showing how a group of National Guardsmen fell under fire from gangs with AK-47's (which I find hard to belive that a civilian could tell an AK-47 from a hole in the ground) and how they're being forced to retreat. They are saying that there have been killings, robbery, and rape.
Kevin
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They are saying that there have been killings, robbery, and rape.
I, too, believe that people now need to do whatever then can, without harming someone else, in order to help themselves and their family survive. But, I believe their is a big distinction between doing what is necessary in order for your family to survive and taking advantage of a situation. These people are already in bad enough shape without having their own brothers and sisters (i.e. people who have been through this with them) doing them harm. That is lower than low. What do killing (unless in defense), raping and robbing have to do with survival? >:(
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Well, I'm back and forth between the TV here, and they were just showing how a group of National Guardsmen fell under fire from gangs with AK-47's (which I find hard to belive that a civilian could tell an AK-47 from a hole in the ground) and how they're being forced to retreat. They are saying that there have been killings, robbery, and rape.
Kevin
Half of the downtown urban area of New Orleans is a Ghetto, that's been going on for decades, don't think it's new just becasue of the hurricanes, it's just that it's now in the public eye.
and remeber a camera doesn't lie. What you're seeing in New Orleans...heh that's it!
The media will try to make them sound like porr souls with no where left to trun, and they have to do what they have to do to "survive".
Please, you don't think there were thousands just waiting for the rains to stop just to be able to loot and waiting for an excuse to act like @ssholes.
Thsi should make for some good TV, I'll be watchign tonight after the Steelers game, I'm popping some popcorn tonight. :^)
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For every gang member looting and shooting at police, there are many more honest people hoping to be rescued.
Among them, several of my co-workers families.
Please keep that in mind.
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Yeah, plenty of good folks affected down there too, even if the media's enjoying mostly just showcasing the hoodlems' more "dramatic" bull**** instead.
We're starting to hear stories in our news out here of sharks being sited swimming around in the affected urban areas now. How weird is that?!? Not surprising really though, if you follow sharks much, and know much about Bull sharks. They're very common in the Gulf of Mexico there, and they'll swim in anything - fresh water, salt water, muddy water, etc., regardless of how deep or shallow it may be. They've been found in the craziest of places, so considering the current state of affairs in the areas affected by Katrina, I guess it'd be expected to see a few of them taking a swim up Main Street right about now...
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Not surprising at all. Bull sharks are found in Lake Pontchartrain (http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2002/of02-206/biology/temporal-stone-crab.html) which I believe is further inland anyway than New Orleans is.
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Lake Pontchartrain is also a salt-water lake for whatever that's worth.
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So you have to worry about starving, dissease, rape, murder, and now SHARKS?
Damn.
Kevin
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Just to clarify, there are no sharks. Plenty of alligators and water moccasins, but sharks so far have not been confirmed.
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Also, to clarify, Lake Pontchartrain is that big body of water that borders the north of New Orleans. So, it's part of the problem... but I've never heard of sharks in there, medical waster, yes, sharks, no...
My grandfather and aunt are safe, and their house in Harahan (suburb and in the bowl of New Orleans) they believe is okay. There are still some family members down there that we have not heard from. My childhood friend Lisa and her husband and child have lost everything and are planning on just starting over in Florida near where her in-laws live. They were in Gretna (which is across the river from New Orleans).
My grandfather and aunt were in a hospital when it flooded, and evaculated to Baton Rouge where someone housed them for the night. They then went to be with my other grandparents and aunt in McComb, MS. I think there is no electricity and no fresh water there, however. We are trying what we can to get them up here, but word is that gas in low supplies- or out- everywhere in MS. It's coming really close to packing up gas and driving down there. Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to reach anyone by phone, and they keep moving before we know it.
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For every gang member looting and shooting at police, there are many more honest people hoping to be rescued.
Among them, several of my co-workers families.
Please keep that in mind.
Yeah, my point exactly! and if the police/national guard didn't have to contend with all the idiots, they would have more police available to help with the rescue and much more time they could spend trying to get to your co-workers families!!!!!!
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Yeah, my point exactly! and if the police/national guard didn't have to contend with all the idiots, they would have more police available to help with the rescue and much more time they could spend trying to get to your co-workers families!!!!!!
You did an absolutely miserable job of conveying that in this post:
What you're seeing in New Orleans...heh that's it!
The media will try to make them sound like porr souls with no where left to trun, and they have to do what they have to do to "survive".
Please, you don't think there were thousands just waiting for the rains to stop just to be able to loot and waiting for an excuse to act like @ssholes.
Thsi should make for some good TV, I'll be watchign tonight after the Steelers game, I'm popping some popcorn tonight. :^)
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Heh, sorry, I couldn't think of anything harsher than "@ssholes" that would get through the filter. :^)
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Heh, sorry, I couldn't think of anything harsher than "@ssholes" that would get through the filter. :^)
You have the option of turning off the filter.
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SFG, you'll be happy to know that Fats Domino was found safe!
http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/01/katrina.fats.domino/index.html
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An interesting article from Scientific American (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=1&articleID=00060286-CB58-1315-8B5883414B7F0000)
Take note of when it was written.
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I don't see any updates in here, so I'll share that Mandroid is safe and in Baton Rouge. I don't even know if he posts over here, but he's been around for years and years so there's plenty here who should know him.
I swapped a few emails with him yesterday.
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For every gang member looting and shooting at police, there are many more honest people hoping to be rescued.
Among them, several of my co-workers families.
Please keep that in mind.
That's why I can't understand the reports from yesterday about rescue boats going out, but coming back in because someone was shooting at them. There are hundreds of innocent not-shooting-at-help people still who needed those boats. Put some Guardsmen on escort duty and shoot the **** back.
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They're sending in over a thousand hardened National Guardsmen who have been to Iraq, so I'm sure they'll have no trouble shooting the **** back.
Kevin
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I finally talked to Brad (Angry Ewok) this morning, and he's alive and well down in Alabama. They lost power for the week, but other than that came through relatively unscathed. So good news there. Hang in there Brad, and drop us a line here when you get the chance bud!
I don't see any updates in here, so I'll share that Mandroid is safe and in Baton Rouge. I don't even know if he posts over here, but he's been around for years and years so there's plenty here who should know him.
Yeah, it was good reading this morning at GH that Chris and his family are fine, though currently misplaced from their home. Hope it's still standing when they return... :-\
As for all the ******* animals who have taken over some of the affected areas, that's just disgusting. Making an already devastating and horrible situation much, much worse. Makes me seriously ill just thinking about it.
Good to see some action finally being taken today, with troops and supplies finally making their way into some areas. Hope they keep it up...
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An interesting article from Scientific American (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=1&articleID=00060286-CB58-1315-8B5883414B7F0000)
Take note of when it was written.
Woah. Creepy. :-\
I didn't realize that New Orleans was basically a geographic "bowl", sitting below sea level already. No wonder it's in such bad shape right now. Should be interesting to see what happens to the city in the future, if anything...
The latter portion of this sentence from that article is alarming:
Louisiana's coast produces one third of the country's seafood, one fifth of its oil and one quarter of its natural gas.
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An interesting article from Scientific American (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=1&articleID=00060286-CB58-1315-8B5883414B7F0000)
Take note of when it was written.
A very interesting read, if not scary to know that perhaps some of the devastation could have been prevented. However, that being said, how much can you really prepare for a hurricane? :-\
I finally talked to Brad (Angry Ewok) this morning, and he's alive and well down in Alabama.
That's very good news, I was starting to wonder if things were OK since we hadn't heard from him for awhile.
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Some before and after images of the devitstation in NO:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/new-orleans-imagery.htm
Kevin
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Glad Brad is ok.
However, that being said, how much can you really prepare for a hurricane?
Probably not much is my guess.
The critical point now becomes whether they actually rebuild the city in its entirety in exactly the same location. I realize the historical and personal attachments people may have to it, but honestly (and this IS miserably cold to say) if someone (adult) in Canada goes out unprepared and freezes to death, they have little of my sympathy. If you rebuild a City below sea level, aren't you just asking for this all over again? Isn't that the point of the Sci. Am. article? They knew it would happen, but did nothing (or were able to do nothing due to a lack of resources compounded by infighting).
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I'm glad that it seems alot of the people from these various fourms are finally getting in contact with others and also that it looks like the rescue effort is in full affect right now. I still can't believe what some of the stories are that are coming out of N.O. of some of the criminals doing what they been doing.
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"I at the point where I hope the order is giving to shoot looters. "
I can’t believe you said that, don’t you think there’s already enough death and mayhem?
Rereading this statement I reliase how bad it sounds. While I would wish that there are no more deaths and mayhem, order needs to be restore in that city. I have heard reports that N.O.P.D went in to the Convention Center to regain control in that place where a bunch of hoffic events have been happening but were beaten back by thugs. Places where rescues are being ambush by gangs nd being sniped while fighting fires. Order need to be restore so that rescue can happen and a small amount of people are causing havoc. If those people contuine doing this as a last resort dastric measures should be taken but only as a last resort.
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I read somewhere that there's another hurricane brewing off the coast of Africa. It goes without saying that hopefully this one doesn't come anywhere near the Gulf Coast.
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Tropical Storm Maria:
(http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/AT14/refresh/AL1405W_sm2+gif/144841W_sm.gif)
Tropical Depression LEE (must have been a TS but downgraded to get a name...):
(http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/AT13/refresh/AL1305W_sm2+gif/024620W_sm.gif)
Neither of these seem like threats to NO.
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I think once the levies are repaied and the pumping system is working again, I think rebuilding New Orleans will not be too bad. The big things will be retoring order and getting the people out of there. There have been some really inspiring stories about people helping others, but sadly they have been drowned out by the acts of a few hooligans creating the lawlessness and terrorizing others.
I think the best solution to deal with the looters and gangs is a bullet to the brain. They want to act like rabid animals--treat them like rabid animals.
I know it sounds pretty harsh, but these animals are a waste of perfectly good oxygen.
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Rebuilding is probably going to take 5 years minimum. The economy will be far smaller - many residents will be relocating now and never looking back.
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Hey everybody- just want to let you all know that me and my family are safe; we live in Mandeville, which is just on the north side of Lake Pontchartrain. My house was flooded slightly, but there is no power for probably the next week at least. We're living in a rented house close to Baton Rouge. I'll check in every once in a while until things calm down! Greg
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Glad to hear it!
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First of all, it's good to hear that so many people are safe and sound, or at the very least, that they have been located and/or treated. I'm going to be a bit pushy about this, but even if it's 5 dollars, any and every donation to the Red Cross helps out. As I look around my apartment and see all this stuff that I tell myself I need so much of, and then see people on television who have no more than the clothing on their backs, I feel guilty that I should live in comfort while they are fighting to live. So, I'm doing my part by making a donation of cash to the ARC, and I hope that everyone here will do so as well.
Okay, now that that is said, can someone explain to me what exactly set off the gunshots and (supposed) gang activity in NO? I was watching television last night and there was a very lengthy and in-depth piece on the groups at the convention center being upset (and rightfully so, IMO), but none of them appeared to be on the verge of gunning someone down, especially not someone who was coming to help them.
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As far as the rooming gangs it sound like most of them could possible be prisoners who were either release or escape. A rescue attempt is on right now at the Bell South building where 50 to 100 firefighters and they familes are trap by snipers who culd possible already killed 2 cops. A reporter a few nights ago was reporting how she heard over loud speakers from a nearby prison, "To get out now we releasing the prisoners, we have no way to protect you".
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Hey Daigo Bah glad to see you made it. Everyone over on RS is worried about you. Check in over there too. I set up a thread in the reigonal section. you were the only one we didnt know about.
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Good to know Brad is all right. :)
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Hurricane Relief R2-D2 CAP HAT crocheted Star Wars (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5237932605)
Win this auction and support the Red Cross.
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It's amazing to me how the "official" statements on the situation in New Orleans can differ so much from what's really going on there.
Check out this article on CNN.com (http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.response/index.html).
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Yeah, I was reading that article earlier, Jesse. Not surprising though, really. Watching Bush praise the hell out of the FEMA director yesterday for his sterling efforts was most amusing. This FEMA dumbass is the same idiot saying that he hasn't heard of any social unrest in the affected areas at all. HUH?! ::)
Hey everybody- just want to let you all know that me and my family are safe; we live in Mandeville, which is just on the north side of Lake Pontchartrain. My house was flooded slightly, but there is no power for probably the next week at least. We're living in a rented house close to Baton Rouge. I'll check in every once in a while until things calm down! Greg
Thanks for checking in Greg. I'd forgotten you were down that way too, so it's great to hear that you're alive and well too. Sorry about your house, but it sounds like you got by better than most did. Hopefully it'll clean up nicely without too much trouble... Good luck with everything.
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The critical point now becomes whether they actually rebuild the city in its entirety in exactly the same location. I realize the historical and personal attachments people may have to it, but honestly (and this IS miserably cold to say) if someone (adult) in Canada goes out unprepared and freezes to death, they have little of my sympathy. If you rebuild a City below sea level, aren't you just asking for this all over again?
I feel that same way. It looks like it was really only a matter of time until something like this happened, and duplicating the city all over again wouldn't be the brightest of ideas, I think.
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Well if they do rebuild in the same spot perhaps some taller levees would be welcome this time around?
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I'd read something about a parade in NO here the other day and some guy in a sombrero and playing a guitar... Well holy **** if it isn't a guy with ties to me in a round-about way, and to Pittsburgh in a direct way.
He's on this local TV show that my buddy works on that just got picked up by a local channel called: Its Alive! (http://www.theitsaliveshow.com/index.html). I forget if I even made a post here at JD about it, but it's basically a late-night horror show on Saturday nights that shows old B-Horror films like the brain that wouldn't die. Basically anything half-decent in the public domain.
Anyway, my buddy Eric works on that show, and does make-up effects for it as well as acting as "Fritz", who he told me he replaced the show's host's kid who played the character originally.
Well, I guess he and his father had a falling out, and he moved to New Orleans WEEKS before hurricane Katrina (what luck). So that partly explains why he's so happy to still do the parade. He didn't lose a lot? I would assume anyway since I think he wasn't even 100% settled in or had much.
Anyway, here's a story or two where he was quoted. I saw him on CNN... Crazy stuff.
Page1 (http://www.dentonrc.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-katquarter_05tex.ART.State.Edition2.949e295.html)
Page 2 (http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA090505.24A.katrina_french.89fd85d.html)
Page 3 (http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0700world/tm_objectid=15932791&method=full&siteid=50082&headline=new-orleans---awash-in-corpses-name_page.html)
What a nut, and what a disturbingly small world for me. Here he is marching in the street... The same streets where the police gunned down 5 or 6 nutwads shooting at contractors trying to save the city. At what point do you drop the guitar and sombraro?
(http://www.theitsaliveshow.com/Matt%20New%20Orleans.jpg)
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3 storms in the Atlantic...Maria, Nate and Ophelia. Maria and Nate look to remain fish storms, but Ophelia could hit anywhere from the Outer Banks to the Central Flordian Coast. Let's hope she bypasses SC.
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>:(
Damn storms!
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My hopes and best wishes go out to all those affected by Katrina...
However, I have a question that I hope isn't too political. What happend to the federal State of emergency decloration? I have heard that the LA Governer declared a state of emergency on the 26th, but was denied, and also heard that on the 1st the federal government asked the Governer to declare a SOE, but she refused. What is the truth?
I also have been seeing a lot of congress people stating that they were slow to act because the headlines they read the morning after Katrina struck said that New Orleans "dogged the bullet." Were there any such headlines? I thought it was pretty self evident that the city was in deep ****. Did I miss something?
Again, I'm not trying to be political, I'm just trying to gather facts.
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Anton, the only thing I can suggest is that the worst of the problems began on the tail end of the storm, when the levees broke. Because the storm moved slightly east, the wind damage was negligible compared to Gulfport and Biloxi (have you seen those pics?!), so it wasn't a real disaster until the flooding after the winds passed. As for rebuilding the city- what can I say, it is an older city than most, and has more occupants than cities of this typical size... hurricanes are nothing new, but this level of devastation hasn't happened in modern day. I think the fact that the French Quarter is still there proves that the city hasn't seen this kind of problem in a couple hundred years.
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I know we don't normally advertise eBay auctions in the forums, but this is a bit different...
Looking for a way to help Katrina Victims and get Star Wars toys for it?
One of my on-line pals Rod (aka Gundam (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?action=profile;u=137) at JD) has put a whole bunch of items from his collection onto eBay to support the disaster relief.
CLICK HERE (http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfrppZ50QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQrdZ0QQsassZk9Q2drod) to check out the auctions.
100% of the final sale price will support American Red Cross
So, bid on the stuff! You get SW Toys and people in need get some help (via the Red Cross)!
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Rod's obviously got a big heart.
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(http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050901/capt.ladm11609012342.hurricane_katrina__ladm116.jpg?x=380&y=272&sig=RNMVRODjatOgco73m7I4SA--)
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For a second there, I thought that sign said 'Oriental Drugs'.
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disclosing his weaponry seems unadvisable. I'd simply say armed to the teeth, and feelin' froggy.
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Well, Rita is a category 5 and is headed to Texas - 3 day models have whatever is left of it coming right over Dallas.... This thing is so big it might still be a tropical storm or a category 1 by the time it gets here.
Galveston, Houston - better leave now.
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I'm in Austin, and we're also in Rita's projected path. Lots of rain and up to 50 mph winds are expected this weekend. I hope everybody is smart and evacuates, or at least gets as far away from shore as possible. Houston and Galveston will definately experience some serious flooding.
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Travis, I hope you fare well. If you need anything don't hesitate to call.
Kevin
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I hope all you down there batten down the hatches and are ok. I think no matter where you are in the area you're going to get a lotta rain, and the people on the shore I can only feel bad for.
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Rita now is now the 3rd most intense Altantic Basin storm in terms of Millibars. Only behind Gilbert and the Labor Day storm.
Starting to get real nervous living by the Atlantic, SC is still past due for a hit.
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I send my best wishes to those in Texas as Rita approaches. CNN.com makes it sound like Rita could be even worse than Katrina.
Very scary thought, if you ask me. :-[
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Ships and the University of Wisconsin are calling for Rita to weaken thanks to shear created by an anticyclone to the east circulation. So we may be looking at a Cat 4 by the time landfall rolls around. I however am not entirley sure that the shear will affect Rita that much, as strong systems such as this usually make up their own rules in regards to weather.
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Well, I'm looking for a job to the north. Last year, we had Ivan. This year so far, we've been hit by T.S. Cindy, Hurricane Dennis, and the very outer edges of Katrina. We're getting some wind and rain from the fringes of Rita today. Anyway, Tim says he can't take the stress of living in Hurricane Alley anymore. Right after Katrina, I applied at a couple of TV stations in Tennessee (Chattanooga and Nashville). They haven't called yet, though. It's supposed to be this bad every year for the next few years.
The leaders of New Orleans/Louisiana have no excuse for not being absolutely prepared for the worst. I understand they've had flood scenarios based on storms of different categories hitting along the Louisiana/Mississippi coast for more than ten years. Their request for federal funding to shore up the levees was denied. Even so, they knew this was coming, or should have.
National Geographic article from last year - very enlightening:
http://205.188.130.53/ngm/0410/feature5/?fs=www3.nationalgeographic.com
Right after Katrina hit, I read an interview with a woman in Mississippi -- she said something along the lines of "I moved here from Florida to get away from hurricanes. Now I've lost everything." I think this year has been a wake-up call to anyone who thought hurricanes were Florida's problem. They are everyone's problem if you live along the Gulf or Atlantic coasts.
I'm glad that everyone from that area on this board seems to be okay.
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After initial forecasts of tropical storm force winds and 4 to 5 days of rain for the Dallas area - we didn't get a single drop of rain at all. It was a little windy out today - that was about it.
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I've got lots of family and friends in San Antonio and one of my best friends that I've known since i was about 6 months old is in College Staion, he goes to A&M. He is in ROTC there so he has been doing a lot with the Katrina Vitims and will be doing a lot for the Rita victims. He and I agree Rita is going to be bad, but we think Texas will be better off that LA. They don't have any cities below sea level so the flooding should be a lot less severe. A lot of people have already managed to get out as well. I think that the government has learned from Katrina too, so hopefully this should be handled better. Best of luck to all of you in Rita's path. :-\
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The wind blew a bit here, but we hardly had any of the Clouds that y'all got Rob, and for those playing along at home, I live about 20 miles West of Rob. We had some winds, but nothing too bad. My In-Laws were going to leave the Houston area, but couldn't get out of town early enough, so they decided to stay. They had some wind and they said some rain, but not alot. They live North and West of Houston and said that everything they have seen shows that the area West of I-45 fared pretty good and that most of the hard hit areas are East. Even to the point of one side of the Freeway having some downed Trees and Light Poles, but the other side being ok.
Needless to say Friday night was very sleepless for my wife, but yesterday early she got a phone call from them on their back porch drinking coffee and last night they called and said the sky had cleared they were looking at the Stars...
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I'm glad you guys are safe and sound down your way. The remnants are fluttering up here tonight and the rain's about 5 - 10 miles west of my place right now I guess. No flooding expected, just downpours, and we need the rain anyway. Stuff's dry around here lately.
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We needed the rain too - I was very much looking forward to some thunderstorms and a few days of rain - no disrespect to the people who were caught in the worst of it, but I sure was hoping that the least of it would have ended up here.
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The same thing happened here too, no rain, just a little bit of wind. It's actually quite funny, too, as pretty much all local activities were cancelled this weekend because of fear. And they were cancelled on Friday afternoon, when it was revealed that Rita would hit the TX/LA border.
My condolences to anyone who got the worst of Rita.
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Right after Katrina, I applied at a couple of TV stations in Tennessee (Chattanooga and Nashville). They haven't called yet, though.
Both those cities are good one's to be in. I lived in Dalton, Georgia which was only 30 minutes from Chattanooga and I have to say that it's really a good city. There's a lot of traffic but yet there are also a lot of places to go to entertain yourself as well as finding work.
Nashville I've been to and stayed at the Opryland Hotel which is like totally cool. Anyways, we really didn't navigate much of the city but I also know that there has to be lots to do there and also a lot of employment as well.
I do hope that the people call you back so you can escape the paths of these terrible hurricanes. I escaped REALLY far north to Maine....hahaha....no, that really didn't have anything to do with the hurricanes since we were fortunate enough not to get much except rain where we lived. I moved in with my fiancee finally so that is why I am here. :)
Good Luck!!
My thoughts and prayers go out to those devastated by the most recent hurricanes.