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The Original Trilogy / Re: size of tusken raider tribes???
« on: July 21, 2006, 02:12 PM »
Yes, and of course, there are always exceptions, and the tribe we see might not necessarily be representative of the average size of all encampments.  They were close enough to nab Anakin's mother near a Moisture Vaporator so their village was probably one of the closer ones to cities.  I imagine more isolated ones could be bigger than the one we see though.  It's one of those cases where you dont' want to judge EVERY one by the ONE that is onscreen.

But if I were making the diorama, I would decide that a good number is maybe 3-5.  I'm a cheap guy. :-\

My bad, they are on the SWTC (haha, fancy them overlooking something :P)

They don't provide much text of value or theorize what these men might be.  They describe the uniform as blue-black overalls with a single-breasted top.  While I agree with them being blue, bordering dark violet, they can stand alone on their statement that they wear long black gloves.  And also, in my first post, I believe I said they wore jumpsuits but that might not be.  Since most of the jumpsuits worn by the IMperials are made of a semi-reflective synthetic type material and have huge pockets on the sleeve and pant leg.  Since these features are not easily apparent on this blue uniform, I retract that statement and agree that they're actually single-breasted cloth tunics like some black ones worn by other Imps in the same scene.  Sorry about that.

Also, in my picture of Zaarin, I am sure he is wearing a blue uniform.  The colors turned out kind of irregular because I had to manually take a picutre of the screen with my digital camera - the game didn't let me take in-game screen captures.  And photographing a computer, you know how things end up funny looking.  I wish you had a pilot handy so you could take a look yourself Jesse.

At any rate, it's exciting to know about these mysterious uniforms.  It really goes to show how rich in detail the Star Wars movies are.  Also, the notion that them and Zarrin could be intertwined in some way excites me because it might be a completely new division of the Imperial Navy untapped by EU or anything really.  Who knows what might happen?  And if someone has any more leads, let me know.

I already posted this over at RS (PLEASE don't hurt me! :-[)  If this has already been mentioned, let me offer my apologies in advance.

Since I'm half expecting these links to be broken, I'll describe them.

Some of the Imperials in the scene where the Emperor visits the Second Death Star are wearing uniforms like I've never seen before.  It appears they're standing amongst the Imperial Navy people... right alongside the shuttle and adjacent to some Naval Techs/Crewmen.

What's really weird is their uniform is blue, which struck me as very odd.  They're wearing shiny black "cockroach" style helmets like the Death Star Troopers', except the backs are rounded off more instead of tapering to a point (they're shaped like the ones that Rebel Technicians wore in ANH).  They have black goggles and a black chinstrap.  They have very loose-fitting, baggy jumpsuits that are most definitley blue.  No belt, no fancy gloves.

On another note, after that I realized that in one of the cutscenes in the TIE Fighter game, when Admiral Zaarin is presenting the new TIE Advanced model to Lord Vader, his uniform also appears to be blue!  The picture's kind of messed, but you can see it a lot better in the game.  In comparison, his uniform is cut different; blue double-breasted tunic, blue officer's cap, eupalets, cuffs, and a belt; probably with belt boxes.  He is back is turned for the whole time so you can't see the front of his uniform.

So I got to thinking, being sure to put on my thinking cap of course, maybe the two are related in the same way?  For an example; olive seems to be one of the indicitive "colors" of the Imperial Navy, the Fleet(s) in particular.  The TIE Fighter Pilots's noncombat uniforms are olive as well.  This compells a lot of us to believe that the Starfighter Forces are part of the Navy (or at least have a "dotted line" relationship).  Well, if we can follow that train of logic, if these weird blue Imperials are wearing blue and appear to be in the Navy, and Zaarin is wearing blue and is obviously in the Navy, then there must be a relationship between the two.

Let's think some more (put those caps on).  The guys in the blue jumpsuits really seem to have the uniforms tailored to function over form.  I mean, look at what they're wearing!  The fact that they're wearing simple jumpsuits, hardly anything to look at, coupled with the fact that they aren't even spared the commodity of shiny black belts, means that they are obviously engaged in some form of hard labor.  They have no gloves, which means that they probably do some fine-tuning type work where gloves would only inhibit your fingers' dexterity.  Also, they have helmets.  Not only does this mean that they may be in danger of stuff falling on their heads, basically dangerous work conditions, but also that the helmet looks like it hugs their heads pretty snug means that they might be confined to thight working spaces.

Now.  In this cutscene when Zaarin is exhibiting the technical advantages of the new TIE model, he's wearing this zany blue tunic.  In every other appearance he makes he has the regular grey tunic on.

What gives?  Well, I've analyzed everything as best as I could, and the conclusion that I draw from all this is that this whole blue thing is associated with like maybe elite, prototype starfighter work.  The nitty gritty worker uniforms would be perfect for assembling and tuning up new TIES, and that would explain why Zaarin was wearing that particular blue uniform for his demonstration.

It's all I can think of, and the more I ponder it the more I like it.  I can't think of anything else that would be even feasible.  And by the way, I haven't come across any reference to this type of uniform anywhere on the internet, not even the SWTC.  If anyone has thoughts or more information please share.

The Original Trilogy / Re: Fun with the Military!
« on: May 1, 2005, 10:13 PM »
I want to make a few comments toward the Naval Troopers since it's a topic that's been debated to death over at RS.  I already lost my post on this so I'll be concise and to the point...

First off, we see basically four variations of the uniform over the course of the OT.  The black jumpsuit and "cockroach" helmet, the black tunic and helmet, black tunic and hat, and the olive tunic and helmet.  Now these are my thoughts toward the subject.  Jesse, you make a good point that the Troopers in jumpsuits seem to be doing all the "dirty" work, save on scene in ROTJ. (copy and paste this and see if it works, otherwise click here; JD is new to me. :))  It's a short shot where three DS Troopers are directing traffic into the DS2.  The two guys in back are wearing the typical jumpsuit, but the one in front wears a black tunic.  It's also mentionable that he is the one who does all the talking.  So they're basically all doing the same job, yet  there are deviations in uniform.  So it's an equally (if not more :)) plausible assumption that the man in tunic is of slightly higher rank than the others (and later on in the scene another one walks up in the same black tunic and standard kepi; he's obviously a supervisor of some sort).  What I'm getting at here is that the tunics are apparently indicitive of slight seiniority of some sort.

Let's mention shuttle pilots.  The two we see in the beginning of ROTJ are widely agreed upon as officers.  Decipher can back this claim.  They also happen to be wearing tunics and kepis.  I think not that the generic shuttle pilot would be wearing tunics; why not standard jumpsuits (though the details may vary depending on the mission at hand)?

In fact, the jumpsuit worn by Navy Trooper grunts is the same as AT-ST drivers, AT-AT drivers, TIE Pilots, Naval crewmen, and techs with little or no variation.  Evidently it must be relatively cheap to manufacture within the Empire (or whithin the galaxy; some Star Wars costumers have studied X-wing pilots' uniforms and found it to be closely related).  So I may be onto something.

The Imperial cloth cap in standard uniform is probably exclusive to officers so there is no confusion between officers and enlisted.  Therefore the fatigue/undress uniform of DS Troopers would more likely than not be some shade of olive.  Bear in mind that the Naval crewmen who work the bridges of SDs wear olive caps and the non-combat attire of TIE Pilots is an olive uniform as well (as depicted in the TIE Fighter games.  I consider the Starfighter Forces to be part of the Navy as they rely heavily upon it for transport).

EDIT: Link fixed.... I think. :P

Power of the Jedi / Re: favorite POTJ figure
« on: May 1, 2005, 03:16 PM »
Jek Porkins.  Or possible the Security Battle Droid; I always thought that was a rather good sculpt.

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