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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: X-Men/Wolverine Movies
« on: May 30, 2014, 06:22 AM »
Apocalypse will be the new cast and set in the 80's.  I'm not sure where they will go after that.  I believe Jackman is planning one last Woverine movie.  Jennifer Lawrence is only signed on for one more movie and said she wouldn't have done this one if she didn't sign for three movies.  There are rumors of Gambit and Deadpool movies.  I think we will see a reboot in the next five years or so, much like we saw with Spiderman.  Fox and Sony will keep rebooting franchises to retain the rights to the characters.

The Sequel Trilogy / Re: Star Wars Episode VII
« on: May 6, 2014, 12:50 PM »
I saw a comment I agree with on another site regarding this title.  Basically they said do you think Disney would allow the word Ancient in the title with ages of Ford et al.?  The title fits the mold of Ep. I and IV that refer to a person or people, so why it might not be legit, it may be something along those lines.

Watto's Junk Yard / Re: Superman/Batman
« on: May 1, 2014, 07:05 AM »
It will be interesting to see what would come out of a Cap 3 versus Batman/Superman battle if both release dates hold up.

I still think they are mishandling this a bit.  They really are rushing into Justice League without establishing other characters.  While we could debate the merits of a stand alone Flash, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, etc. movie, who would have thought a stand alone Thor movie could have worked out?

People will go out and see this regardless because of a long standing desire to see multiple DC heroes on the screen together, but it could end up being on par with Green Lantern movie.

Star Wars Universe / Re: Disney to Purge Select EU
« on: May 1, 2014, 06:58 AM »
Lucas has been all over the map with how many movies there were to be.  He has stated every thing from one, three, six, nine and twelve.  I think there was something out there that he did storyboards or outlines for the sequels prior to the Disney sale.  Also, I believe a rumor from the nine/twelve days was that ROTJ would have occurred during the Episode VII to IX era, that the OT would have been expanded and we wouldn't have seen the Emperor until the second trilogy.

Star Wars Universe / Re: Disney to Purge Select EU
« on: April 30, 2014, 01:19 PM »
The backgrounds would all be Legends until such a time they would be included in new material.  In a bit of weird news, the Han Solo Adventures and the Lando Calrissian Adventures from 1979 and 1983 respectively are being rereleased in the fall with a Legends banner on the cover.

Star Wars Universe / Re: Disney to Purge Select EU
« on: April 30, 2014, 07:30 AM »
I believe everyone is missing the point here.  The announcement has said there is no more EU.  There is canon and there is Legends.  Essentially everything we have seen as the EU is now Legends.  Canon now consists of the films, CW TV series, Rebels TV series, the upcoming Darth Maul comic and everything else coming forward, essentially starting in 2015.  Everything else is dead and gone.

Actually, I don't think you're totally seeing the point Ed, but I'm actually not even disagreeing with some of what you're saying totally, but feel you're reading way too much into this statement on the matter. 

EU was NEVER canon, and that's my point.  There was NEVER a hierarchy to it...  It was always what Lucas said, and the rest was bunk if he decided.  LFL was pretty clear on this, as was Lucas himself. 

LFL officially called the EU "The Official Continuity" (Been over this a billion times, so if anyone disagrees it's on you to google this yourself...  It's everywhere), which encompassed anything outside the films.  They tried to crowbar it all together unless it contradicted the established canon of the time...  IE: the films and what Lucas was saying "This is, and this isn't" himself.

You think they did a good job, I think they were cash grabbing with a ton of EU and were stepping all over each other.  Sometimes little stuff, sometimes bigger stuff.  I found half of the EU pretty ****** though, personally...  It's neither here nor there though, as EU is what it always was, and appears to still be the same now.

You can call it "Legends", "Old Stories That May Not Be True", "Lucas Era EU", whatever... But that still means it's just EU as EU always was...  It's there, but as the official statement said, they'll draw elements from it, and all the future stuff going forward CAN draw from it possibly (I assume they'll have a bit more of a tight control on it than LFL did however), and this stuff can all be overwritten at any time because they (Disney) don't want painted into a corner creatively because that's what seemingly half of existing EU would do to them.  Makes sense, and tough to argue with.  Disney paid billions, and doesn't want hamstrung by stories they don't want to make into movies, etc.  They want to make their OWN money.

There is nothing in that press release though saying, "______ is 'out' now" or anything like that...  It's obvious though much will be overwritten going forward.  But not yet.  Looking at where they're starting Episode VII timeline wise, for example, The Truce At Bakura may be a story that totally fits, and as such, it's still a story I think fans of it (all 3) could say "Well that fits so I still consider it part of the universe, blah blah blah".  Personally I think it's a bad story, so I never considered it part of my Star Wars world, but whatever.

Canon has expanded now, going forward, which to me is the far larger headline in that story...  Canon was never anything but the films, now it's much, much more.  That's the thing I'd say I am not a fan of seeing happen.  Who wants ****** stories shoveled down their throat?  There has been so much BAD Star Wars written since the early 90's that it was appreciated that EU could basically be ignored by any fan as part of "their Star Wars" experience...  as if rules about discussing a fictional universe are something normal people would want to deal with anyway.  ::)

I think the outbursts that "EU is purged!  EU is dead!", and so on, are really exaggerated though.  It should be "Canon is Expanding and May Overwrite Your Favorite EU Story".  EU being called Legends doesn't really change it at all from what it already was though... Something that wasn't canon, just part of what LFL called the "Official Continuity" (Leeland Chee's words)...  It's still something that if it fits great for the people who liked it I suppose.  And if not, it's kaput (and that's a now evolving and growing thing).  It'll be interesting to see what elements they carry over, what they drop. 

Obviously a lot is on the way out though.  NJO looks pretty much on the chopping block entirely right now.

Like the press release said though, elements of the EU will be available to anyone developing new stuff, so who knows what good things people liked could turn up.  I like that Filoni has an affinity for the old RPG material because I do too, and he's putting a bit of that into Rebels (already).  It's now a new, ever-changing world.  Star Wars hasn't been that way for a while, so it's at least interesting if nothing else.

I believe Leeland Chee would disagree with you.  As I stated before, Lucas had always said that he could rewrite anything he wanted to.  In 2000 Lucasfilm hired Leland Chee to oversee Star Wars continuity.  At this point, different levels of canon were created.  There was G, C, S and N canon.  T canon was added with the Clone Wars series. 

G - George Lucas canon - this is the movies and anything stated by Lucas.
T- Television canon - at the time it included the Clone Wars series from Cartoon network and was to include the "live action series" that never materialized.
C - Continuity canon - this is the bulk of the old EU.  Novels, games, comics, etc.  This is where most timeline/continuity errors would occur.
S - Secondary canon - this is where they dumped stuff that didn't fit, like older pre-2000 novels and such.
N - Non canon - items like the infinities comics series, alternate paths in video games, and deleted scenes in movies that would contradict what happened in the actual film.

I never stated that everything in the EU was canon, but that there were levels as set out by Lucasfilm which could be contradicted at any point by Lucas or Lucasfilm.  The Clone Wars series did that several times.

What the announcement does mean, like it or not, is that the old EU is now considered Legends and the above levels of canon are essentially gone.  Going forward is would be canon (which would combine G, T, and C levels of old) and Legends (which would combine S and N and dump the old C level stuff here).  Items from Legends can be used and elevated to canon, but until they are, they are just stories.  I don't think we are going to see much of that, especially with post ROTJ era stories.  Characters like the Solo kids, Mara Jade, and the young Jedi Knights are most likely gone.

A lot of what you stated about Disney and canon going forward is what I stated in my previous post.  While I have enjoyed the EU as a whole over the years, I do like the idea of everything actually counting going forward.  I generally don't like retcons that were required to explain contradictions.  The Clone Wars were a separate mess that Leeland Chee had stated that they were waiting until after the series ended to attempt to make everything fit, which is now a moot point.

Star Wars Universe / Re: Disney to Purge Select EU
« on: April 29, 2014, 02:51 PM »
Was the Tartakovsky series specifically mentioned as being out? I assumed that would be included in the "canon" media along with the 3D animated series.

Thinking back, there is really nothing in there to contradict anything else that is likely to be covered. Even Durge can easily be dovetailed into the existing continuity.

Some of that stuff, particularly the lead-in to ROTS, is fairly noteworthy, it seems to me.

Tartakovsky series is out by virtue of it not being mentioned as being in.  The problem with the Clone Wars series as a whole in terms of continuity is that it stepped on much of what was already out there in terms of novels, comics and the Tartakovsky series.  Lucasfilm, pre Disney buy-out, was waiting for the end of the Clone Wars series to try to fit everything together.  I believe a major problem was when Anakin was knighted.  The Tartakovsky series makes it look like it was at least a year or more into the Clone Wars.  The new series seems to have it occur not too long after Geonosis.

The other major item from Tartakovsky would be Bariss Offee.  Season 5 of the Clone Wars had made her seem to be a contemporary of Ashoka.  Tartakovsky and other EU sources made her to be a contemporary of Anakin.

For the most part, it could be relatively easy to integrate since I believe it was only two hours of material.  I especially enjoyed the portrayal of Greivous, especially the reason for his cough.  However, ROTS Greivous was a pale comparison to what we saw in the Tartakovsky series.  Additionally, he has the cough throughout the Clone Wars series which is in-line with his ROTS appearance.  If the Clone Wars series was allowed to continue, I think we may have seen an episode that would have essentially retread the Palpatine abduction, which was also covered different in the Labyrinth of Evil novel.

The Sequel Trilogy / Re: Star Wars Episode VII
« on: April 29, 2014, 02:39 PM »
I wonder about Lando as well.  Does this mean he is out, or is this the major character list and other minor characters are still forthcoming.  Maybe he will get a small part.

Star Wars Universe / Re: Disney to Purge Select EU
« on: April 29, 2014, 11:50 AM »
Plus, nothing says we still can't pick and choose which EU material to follow. :P


Plus like I said, I haven't seen anything that says ALL EU has been dumped into the abyss.  Like the statement said, Rebels is already picking up on things from the 1980's even...  Sienar Fleet Systems will "exist" as something, etc.

Till me, till a movie dumps on it, it's part of my world if I like it...  After a movie dumps on it, I'll try fudging in what I enjoyed about the old EU that got fudged up.

Yeah I re-read the statement and it's basically that the EU's there till it's overwritten and even then, it's still there but just different.  I'm curious to see what elements will be brought into NEW material.  They said all elements of the EU will be available to people working on new material...  That's kind of telling I think that EU isn't dead like is being claimed...  It isn't.  A storyline or character could get overtaken by the new stuff though.

I liked the line, "Lucasfilm always strived to keep the continuity in order" (paraphrased), when man they didn't strive for dick.  They were constantly crow barring things together, and fitting things after they realized they dumped on a previous character or story plot...  It happened constantly.  They never gave a hoot by my estimation.

I believe everyone is missing the point here.  The announcement has said there is no more EU.  There is canon and there is Legends.  Essentially everything we have seen as the EU is now Legends.  Canon now consists of the films, CW TV series, Rebels TV series, the upcoming Darth Maul comic and everything else coming forward, essentially starting in 2015.  Everything else is dead and gone.  It isn't a situation of Mara Jade, Jacen, Jaina and Anakin Solo still exist until Episode VII says so.  It is a situation of that they no longer exist unless a new movie, novel, comic, etc. says they exist.  Even then, the most likely won't exist in the form we have previously seen them.

What was the EU is now called Legends...essentially if the Star Wars universe was real, these would be works of fiction that Han, Luke and Leia would read.  Disney may pull something from these sources, like with Seinar, but that does not make ever mention of Seiner in the old EU canon.

As for keeping everything in continuity, I think they did a lot better job than you give them credit for.  For the most part, Lucas is the one who threw the biggest monkey wrenches into continuity.  The Clone War series is the largest example.  To be fair, Lucas always said he reserved the right to do so.  Take a look a Nathan P. Butler's Star Wars Timeline Gold to see just how much of a timeline the old EU covers.  It is pretty staggering.  He has hundreds upon hundreds of pages of timeline info.

This announcement really didn't surprise me.  Disney paid a lot of money for Star Wars.  I would think that movies may be the route for the biggest return on their investment.  It doesn't make sense to chain themselves to an existing EU.  People have been saying for years that Zahn's Thrawn trilogy would make great movies.  While they are great novels, I don't think there is that much action overall for a trilogy of movies.  Most of the time, a novel ends up being better that the movie that adapts it.  With rumors of a Han Solo movie or a Boba Fett movie, it makes sense to dump any previous material.  A fresh start like this makes the most sense.  It also removes any ambiguity going forward.  If Disney allows something to be created, whether it be a movie, novel, comic, tv show or game, what happens is canon in the Star Wars universe.  I much prefer that over the levels of canon that were required under the old EU.

Watto's Junk Yard / Re: Superman/Batman
« on: April 29, 2014, 06:55 AM »
I also think they are dropping the ball, but I also think they will make money off this venture, it just won't be as successful as Marvel.  The new Superman made a bunch of money, but I thought it was just O.K.  I think DC is rushing things because they have dropped the ball so much over the years.  They have only had success with two characters on the big screen.  Maybe they feel the superhero bubble will have to burst at some point and are trying to get everything out there before it does.  When this movie finally hits theaters, it will do so at the same time Marvel releases its second movie in Phase 3.  At this point, we may see Avengers 3 before Justice League even gets made.

Star Wars Universe / Re: Disney to Purge Select EU
« on: April 28, 2014, 07:15 AM »
Okay, can someone clarify something for me - is ALL EU considered out?

I took's press release to mean that anything post-ROTJ was out. However, I'm seeing on different sites (especially JTA's reports) and from different interpretations people saying that all EU is dead. So I'm not sure exactly what's going on.

Since it hasn't been stated yet, yes, the entire EU is now "Legends".  What is cannon now is the existing six films, any new films by Disney (sequels and spin-offs), the Clone Wars cartoon series (including the theatrical release and "Lost Missions" or Season 6 that is now on Netflix, but not the Tartikovsky shorts), the upcoming Rebels cartoons, the Sons of Dathomir comics (coming from Dark Horse comics - these will center on Maul and are adapted from CW scripts) and the just announced novels that will be released from Del Ray.  Going forward, it appears that everything will be cannon that comes out from Disney, including anything that is licensed by Lucasfilm and/or Disney.  So any new Marvel comics, Del Ray books, video games, etc. will all be cannon on the same level as the movies.

Essentially this makes the existing EU stories that may or may not have been true.  In some cases it will just be fictional stories in the Star Wars universe.  In other cases, it could be like the equivalent of George Washington chopping down the cherry tree and telling his parents that he could not tell a lie.  We know he existed, but there really isn't a way to verify the story.

My biggest fear is laziness from Disney or Lucasfilm.  Something along the lines of using Mara Jade as a template for Luke's wife for the sequels, but changing her character to make her fit the way they want.  I would prefer a brand new character rather than a Mara lite.

Watto's Junk Yard / Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« on: April 16, 2014, 07:11 AM »
She's the heir in the sense that her father (right?) was the mad king, but that was a popular uprising was it not?  So isn't there some equal POV that Robert's bastard is the rightful heir here?

I'd say he and Stannis hold more ground than Khalisi in that regard...  Of course, I lean to what you say though, Ed.  I prefer Khalisi at this point because she's not insane, seems like a good leader, etc.  But in that world her family was kicked out by everyone, more or less.

I love this show. :)

In the breakdown of the episode they really did want people to feel something for Joffrey, but for me it was purely good riddance...  He was a monster, and horrific.  His mother's one of the few equally horrible people, to me.  Kid or no...  I felt no sympathy.

I feel sympathy for the actor...  Poor kid gets ragged on by people he meets, and that sucks.  I sometimes just don't get fandom.

Nick sums up everything above this post nicely.  With the mad king, Jamie breaks his oath and kills the king which allows Robert to usurp the throne.  If Robert doesn't manage to kill Raehgar I'm not sure if the kingdom would have gone along with the change in leadership.  I think it was more of a situation of to the victor goes the spoils coupled with a particular hatred for the mad king because of his deeds.  If it was just a choice of Raehgar versus Robert, I'm not sure if tradition would be throne aside to anoint Robert.

As for any of Robert's bastards, they don't hold any claims in Westeros.  The are given names like Snow, Sand, etc. because they are not considered to be part of the family.  This is one of the factors that lead Jon Snow to join the watch since he could never be Ned's heir.  The importance of Robert's bastards was the genetics.  All of his bastards had dark hair, regardless of the hair color of the mother while all his "legitimate" children had blonde hair.  That is what lead Jon Arryn to figure out that Jamie was the real father.

As for who should truly be the king or queen, it all boils down to the opinion on Robert's reign.  If he had managed to wipe out all the Targaryens (which we know at the beginning of the series, there were at least two alive) then he could have made a legitimate claim to take over the Iron Throne, much the same way the Targaryens of old united all the kingdoms under one king.  This would leave Stannis as the legitimate heir since Robert had no legitimate children.  Renly was also a usurper since Stannis would have to die first for Renly to have had a true claim.  However, Robert left legitimate heirs alive to the traditional roles of succession.  Since Danaerys is the last Targaryen (that we know of for sure at this point), she really has the strongest claim to the throne, but does not quite have the power to take it.

In essence it comes down to power, which the Lannisters have at this point by money and winning the war.  They currently control the throne, but really they don't have any legitimate claim to it.

Watto's Junk Yard / Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« on: April 15, 2014, 01:20 PM »
True... I was thinking along the lines of the Martells, who believe Myrcella is the rightful heir.

If you get down to brass tacks, Daenerays is truly the rightful heir to the throne from what we know to be the truth at this point.  As far as the kingdom knows, Tommen is the rightful heir since males supercede any older female siblings.  For those who believed John Arryn and Ned Stark, then Stannis is the rightful heir since he did not have an legitimate children, and Cersie did not bear him any children.  However, King Robert usurped the throne from the Targeryans, who were not completely wiped out, so any living Targeryan would be the heir, minus any who had given up their rights to the throne.

Watto's Junk Yard / Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« on: April 15, 2014, 07:01 AM »
Joffrey has a younger brother and sister.  The sister was mentioned in the episode and I assume the younger brother was the kid that was seen in several scenes standing with Cersie.  In the books he is about seven or eight (and Joffrey was about thirteen), so it looks like his brother (Tommen, I think his name is) is a little older than that on the show.  If we ignore the reality of the parentage of Cersie's children, then Tommen is the "rightful" heir to Joffrey since Joffrey did not have any offspring.

Modern Classifieds / DVD's for Sale
« on: March 7, 2014, 06:25 AM »
Make an offer on any of the following if interested (all prices include shipping in the continental US):

James Bond Ultimate Collectors DVD set - includes all EON Bond movies through Casino Royale $100
Star Trek the Motion Picture DVD Collection (Movies 1 thru 10) $50

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Season 1 - $10
Season 2 - $30
Season 3 - $30
Season 4 - $30
Season 5 - $10
Season 6 - $10
Season 7- $10
Redemption - $10
Whole Set - $120

X-Men Collection (4 disc set with X-Men 1 and 2) $15

Indiana Jones Collection  (Original Trilogy plus Bonus disc) $20

This Is Spinal Tap $7.50

Doctor Who DVD's
Season 1 - $40
Season 2 - $70
Season 3 - $40
Season 4 - $40

Doctor Who Blurays
David Tennant Specials - $30
Season 5 - $30
Season 6 - $35

Everything is in good used condition. All items have been viewed twice at most.

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