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But again, 501st Trooper or the exclusive Vader have no where near the demand of the concept figures.  I would say NO previous exclusive has.  I really don't believe you can look at their performance as a valid comparison.

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Well, Hasbro's showing is truly outstanding.  I would have never guessed they could put so many high quality and bulky figures out at the basic price point.  Hermie looks phenominal, as does nearly every other figure newly shown.  I love C-3PO, Salacious, Han Torture, A-Wing Pilot, the Ewoks, and especially ALL the amazing concept figures.

However, obviously I am strongly in the camp that overall Hasbro SUCKS.  I guess I don't need to elaborate again, but their new elitest policies are inexcusable.  I was really hoping the title was serious and someone a little more high profile would come right out and condemn what they are doing.  I really do appreciate your at least coming out with the strongest stance I've seen so far.  The other sites seem to just be turning a blind eye as far as the webmasters are concerned.

It's really such a shame that Hasbro's nicest work EVER (I have been collecting Star Wars figs since '78) has to be tarnished by this crap. 

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30th Anniversary Collection / SDCC Obi-Wan and Yoda
« on: May 23, 2007, 07:27 PM »
Sadly, I was actually considering lending you a hand there depending on your reaction to my fun but, unfortunately your shallow and unresearched reaction to it has made me 'unfeeling' today. Good news though- I bet one of the websites' 1500+ members will help you out!

Well... you are a beautiful human being, aren't you?

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Poddie, do you not have any friends attending the convention?
 I've read alot of negativity from you here on these boards but I missed where you specifically asked someone for help. Did I miss it? Did you ask anyone???

Keep in mind while complaining....

1. it's too early to freak
2. Those folks that are 'so fortunate' (and other comments I read) to attend and get all the figs..blah,blah
    --keep in mind they pay outrageous entry fees to attend and then still have to pay for a fig there!
       Not to mention travel considerations ect. Keep THAT in mind if someone helps your poor, tiring soul
       out here with an exclusive- especially when you don't have to pay an entry fee, travel ect to get it.
       Just think how lucky you would be then.

Please consider those things before anymore further crying :P

DS :'(

Nope, I have no friends attending C4.  No I did not post a pestering message asking people I don't even know to pick up a toy for me.  And I shouldn't HAVE to.  The whole thing is bullsh*t.

Believe me, I completely understand that they are paying a lot of money to go to C4 and have the opportunity to again pay a lot of money for these exclusives.  Again, that's kind of the point.  It should not be a matter of paying $35+ each to a scalper or spending $2,000+ in travel, expenses, and time (and that's a low estimate if you count missed work).  It's just the ultimate finger from Hasbro to the fans that can't afford/take the time to go.  Well, ok... they could have done worse, but they would really have to try.

And I don't think that should be a justification for them... "I deserve to have an exclusive no one else can get because I have spent all this money".  That just seems incredibly selfish to me.  If the reason you love something so much is that you know that others can't have it then you need to reconsider how you live your life.  Not pointing a finger at anyone in particular here, but I have seen some posts that follow this logic from time to time.

I am married and have a very demanding job.  My wife likes Star Wars but frankly the idea of going to C4 for a vacation would not be her optimal vacation.  She would do it... but again, she shouldn't have to.

And now TNI has a rumor that San Diego will have an Obi/Yoda Concept fig exclusive.  Oh joy.

As I have stated before, I used to be relatively positive about Hasbro, trying to see their side of whatever they are doing and give them the benefit of the doubt.  Balancing cost vs profit, kid vs collector, etc is always a compromise and they do the best they can.  But I just don't see any way that this works out other than me and countless others getting screwed.  I just hope they got one hell of a payday. 

This wouldn't seem anywhere near as bad if I didn't feel like I had been setup like a pansy.  "Hey look at all the cool concept figures we are going to release in 2007 for the 30th anniversary?  Aren't they cool?  Aren't you just dying to have them??  months pass... Hey, here's the first wave for preorder!  Work towards completing your collection today!  month pases... Hey, here's wave two!  Look at Boba, ain't he cool???  months pass...  why don't you go ahead and preorder wave 3... time passes... Oh BTW you don't have a chance in hell of completing this collection!  We're not going to sell 2 of the figures to you because you're not one of the cool kids who can pay us a crap-load of money!" etc

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Oh and Hasbro has already told us that we're screwed on the 3PO/R2 unless the con people want to release it again (they don't own the rights to the figures or some such nonsense).

And they "might" make the Luke available online a few months after the con.  So if I wait and wait and wait at the end Hasbro may reward me by finally allowing me to purchase a Luke (if their site actually works and they put them up in enough numbers that I can actually get to it before the hordes buy them out).  I wouldn't mind the waiting so much if I was sure to get them, but there's no way to even know if there is a reasonable possibility of that.

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I can certainly see why people would not understand why I might consider just dropping Star Wars... it's not JUST the exclusives thing. 

It's the large amount of money I'm spending in general... and the competition of the new GI Joes and Doctor Who toys.

It's the inconsistent articulation (oh how I hate swivel elbows).  I really wish Hasbro would concentrate on creating many fewer, high quality figures that are at the top of their game.

It's the incredibly poor distribution model they follow (I still haven't seen anything other than 30AC Obi and R2, and have very little hope of seeing a Concept figure on an actual retail shelf).  Anything I really want I need to preorder months and months ahead of time and pay extra for the privilege.  Packing Concept figures at one per case is silly, and I'm not sure I buy the excuses anymore.  And I can see the coming issues with the Legends assortments... all the ones I want (Ep II clones, Boba Fett, TC-14) are packed one per case while many of the figures that are going to sit are in at two per.  Ep II officers are going to be nearly impossible if you want a set of all four.

It's the constant upgrade cycle (this year's Luke is slightly better than last year's Luke which was slightly better than the last year's Luke...).

But nearly all of the above issues I have with the line are excusable in many ways... I understand this is a line that needs to sell to both collectors and kids, and certain compromises have to be made to make that happen.  I may not always agree that Hasbro has made the best choice but it always seemed like they were trying.

But the exclusives are completely differant.  This is the one area where I feel Hasbro has just crossed the line from making a few poor choices to actively screwing over the consumer.  These are no good for anyone except those who are going to the con to obtain scalping material.  I really feel that Hasbro has completely stabbed in the back all the people who were collecting this line that can't attend C4.  And I feel they seem to have no idea that this is the case.  They refuse to acknowledge that this was a poor decision (even in a wink wink, yeah don't worry won't happen again kind of way).  And if this line is going to turn into a Gentle Giant "let's see just how rare we can make each item" thing I want to jump now before I spend thousands more this year, overpaying for exclusives, only to find that I'm completely disgusted by Hasbro next year.

I already find myself just thinking "what a bunch of jerks" whenever I see all the cool stuff coming down the line (like wave 5).  Every time I have a positive thought about Hasbro it's now countered by my disgust in what they are pulling with these figures.  I keep waiting a bit longer and hoping that the feeling will lessen or go away... maybe it has a bit, but it's still pretty darn strong.

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30th Anniversary Collection / Re: 2007 Saga Legends
« on: May 21, 2007, 03:49 PM »
Is anyone else worried that the AOTC clone officers are being vastly underpacked?  I have yet to see a case assortment with more than one of them in it...

Seems to me there are MANY people that are going to want at least one of each color.  And most of those people couldn't care less about most of the other figures.  So starting with the first assumption, the fact that H is packing the variants like they are the same figure (IOW, only one AOTC clone per case regardless of color), this seems like strating out with a shortage of 4:1.  Then add in the popularity and the rarity of this figure is going to be crazy.

I know the only other ones I want are a Biker Scout (just for the card really) and a Boba Fett (again, just for the card).

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30th Anniversary Collection / SDCC Obi-Wan and Yoda
« on: May 21, 2007, 03:31 PM »
I always hated that I couldn't go to the other Celebrations... it's OK though, I simply networked with Matt to get the excl's so no need to hate the Manufacturer on that note for me.

DS

Quote from: Darth Slothus
Then, so do me a favor, don't buy from them so I can get more, thanks.

DS

Well, gee, thanks for your concern.

"I would hate Hasbro but as it turns out I am taken care of so I'll just make jokes about the rest of you who aren't lucky enough to have their exclusives handed to them on a silver platter."

I just GLAD that YOU're taken care of.  Darth Slothus / Darth Selfish?  Hmmm...

Seriously, I actually am glad you will be able to get them.  But it would be nice if you had a bit more sympathy and empathy towards those of us that are completely screwed on this whole deal.  Thanks

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This wave looks incredible to me... hard to find anything to complain about here.

My only complaint would be in agreeing with the previous poster about swivel elbows... I really do hate them.

Keep it up Hasbro, and NO MORE EXCLUSIVES!

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I admire the passion demonstrated on both sides of this issue. I'm pretty ambivalent about it all myself. I'm getting 2 of each only because some friends are going and have promised to hook me up. I know between the number of people from my Fan Force who are going, I'll get them one way or another. That could be why I'm not getting worked up. They're cool figs and I'd want to get them one way or the other. Sadly, money constraints and a new child on the way have conspired to keep me home tending the homefires.

I compare the con exclusive figs to fast food promos. You can (typically) only get them by either going to that place or knowing someone who goes there. For example, I was in college when the Special Editions came out and Taco Bell had the toys. My college town was small and there was no Taco Bell so I had to either drive 35 miles to the nearest Taco Bell or have family and friends here in town hook me up much the way my friends who are going to C4 are. Bottom line: I wanted them enough that I found a way to get them.

For some reason I really can't get pissed about exclusives save for the the fact I can't go myself to get them. 

The problem with the comparison, of course, is that the Taco Bell toys were (a) in nowhere near as high demand and (b) not an important part of a much larger collection.

I'm pretty sure if Taco Bell had a bunch of toys right now I could get them for a reasonable price on eBay, as there wouldn't be hundreds of thousands (?) of fans eager to complete their collections.  And frankly, if R2/3PO/Luke were not part of a larger collection I would likely just say "oh well, I'll skip them".  But instead they are a hugely important part of a series of 12 figures that I had already been salivating over and preordered for many months with no indication that three of them were to be purposefully withheld from me unless I pay a massive "ransom" to attend a hugely expensive and time consuming convention.

I sure wish I had friends who were going to C4 and could pick them up for me... I hope you all realize how lucky you are.  I will most likely be forced to pay $120 for them on eBay (seems to be the going rate for two of each) IF I decide not to just give Hasbro the finger and stop with the Star Wars collecting over this.  The problem with that is that having seen wave 5 they are desperately calling me (esp Yoda and 3PO)...

Ahhh, I miss the old, fair, Hasbro.  I really just cannot quite describe the loathing I have felt for them over the last two months.

Sorry to keep bringing this up again, but I do try to at least keep it in the related threads.  :)

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30th Anniversary Collection / SDCC Obi-Wan and Yoda
« on: May 15, 2007, 06:15 PM »
I'm not sure where the Yoda/Obi 2 pack exclusive rumor came from, but man am I not going to be happy (again... times 3) if it comes true.

From favorite to most hated company in 3-4 months: HASBRO!

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Gentle Giant / Re: Clone Wars Maquettes Yoda
« on: May 10, 2007, 01:57 PM »
So do I post here for someone to score me the Yoda/R2 maquette from C4??
Stupid GG and their addictive maquettes, guess this will teach me for getting the wife pregnant and destroying my C4 plans, stupid real life getting in the way of things.

Yes, thank goodness GG is there to ensure that you are properly punished for having any other priorities in your life.

I would love to have both Droids Boba and Yoda/R2.  Too bad GG doesn't want me to have them.

The black and whites are exactly what limited exclusives should be... products whose appeal is not that great (zero in my case, I don't get it), but certain people will want only because of its rarity or because it has special meaning to them (like a con exclusive that signifies the event).

I still feel these hyper limited high demand new sculpts are insane.

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Morgbug, thank you for your excellent response.  I absolutely agree with almost everything you said.  Almost all of it is, in fact, is in exact agreement with how I feel, just advocating a differant response.  I, too, don't understand why someone would pay all the money and spend all the time to go to the con and then spend 90% of it waiting in lines for merchandise... it just doesn't seem to be what the con should be about.  And maybe that type of thing is part of the reason my response to this issue is so strong.

It seems like Hasbro (and many of the other companies who have been doing this these stupid uber-exclusives for years) is starting to not care about making toys for people who like the product and Star Wars but rather attempting to do whatever they can to seem like the "hot" product, screwing over collectors and kids alike in their path without regard.

I have felt in the past that nearly everything they did was justifiable as a good business/fan/collector decision when looking at it from one viewpoint or another.  But this just reeks of a short-term stunt that is bad for long term customer goodwill.

Another thing is that if these figures were some cool one-off thing I also wouldn't be anywhere near as upset about it.  I would just figure they will probably be re-released at some point in a differant package, but so what.  And if they aren't then at some point they will probably go low enough that I can afford them.  But instead they are a vital portion of a set of figures that I have been looking forward to and have already started collecting, then had the rug ripped out from under me.  So now that entire collection of concept figures feels nearly completely worthless without these so waiting until these MIGHT come down to a reasonable price is much less of an option.  Waiting until they are re-released is a bad option because if it is not this year and in a single pack then the packaging will be totally differant which basically destroys much of the appeal of the sub-line in my opinion.  So it is just frustrating from every angle.

I really wish I could adopt the Buddha-like attitude towards these that you advocate... I know I would be a happier person.

But instead I still find myself really leaning towards just canceling all my orders for the other figs and for the most part getting out.  I would keep the orders for the vintage figs (I love this line too, although I must say many of the figures themselves look a bit less exciting this time, with Han's "special" hat and Luke's strange head, and a complete disinterest in the Leia).  And I would have to order a CZ4 and Animated Boba from eBay (as I KNOW I will never see one in a store).  But most of the rest I could probably do without if I wasn't trying to collect "all of them".  So I could cut my expenses by 90% or so, and feel better that I wasn't supporting what I view to be vile decisions by Hasbro anywhere near as much.  And I wouldn't have to support the scalpers on eBay (though in the case of R2/3PO they may deserve the extra money they will get).

Unfortunately Hasbro would still get my money for their new GI Joe line, and will likely turn that into the same thing if it is as popular as it looks like it will be.  But at least right now those are pretty easy to order and achieve a full set, until Hasbro starts making poor decisions.

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Well, here's what I'm thinking:

(1) I want a matched set.  I don't care if it says anything about a con or whatever (in fact I'd rather it just completely match the others).  My best case scenario would be that Hasbro releases them on regular cardbacks that perfectly match the others in the line.  I was actually hoping to get these cased up and display them on card.

(2) I don't believe that previous con exclusives are indicative of the difficulty of getting or the value of these two.  To speak bluntly, all previous exclusives were pretty much merely curiosities and nice souveniers for people who attended the show (which is what con exclusives SHOULD be, not punishments for everyone who can't afford to go).  There hasn't been a single one I was remotely interested in.  Compare this to what are three of the most key characters with completely new sculpts in the hottest subline of figures of the year.  If Hasbro/GenCon sticks to their guns and the R2/3PO are not available outside of the con, I think these will skyrocket.  Luke may be somewhat easier, but it still pisses me off greatly that I now have to worry about it, plus the fact that I will have to wait months after the con to relieve that worry or pay huge scalper prices.  What if after that three months Hasbro then decides to only release a few more?  Again, huge prices.  How badly botched will the ordering process be on whatever website they choose to distribute them on?  Will I have to sit by my computer for days trying to score one of these little plastic toys that should be commonplace?

I just think Hasbro's decision here STINKS to high heaven.  I was peeved enough when they announced R2/3PO.  Then we got hit with the double-whammy with Luke, who they even specifically claimed (apparently outright LIED) whould be available in the basic line.  I don't think this benefits anyone but GenCon.  Surely it hurts Hasbro more than it helps them given the huge numbers of customers they are disappointing.

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30th Anniversary Collection / Re: Your Loyalty?
« on: May 3, 2007, 12:44 AM »
Need to reverse my answer from the top of the page.

Hasbro is making the three coolest figures of the year exclusives to C4 attendies.

In other words, loyal collectors have been stabbed in the back by Hasbro.

So, no... I no longer have any loyalty to Hasbro.  Buh-bye.

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