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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: Superman - Man of Steel
« on: June 18, 2013, 01:25 PM »
In the MoS, Superman is clearly distraught after he kills Zod... screaming "No" from his knees.

In that case, I really have no problem with it.  Guess I need to actually go see the movie!

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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: Superman - Man of Steel
« on: June 18, 2013, 10:22 AM »
The author of that must not have seen Superman 2. In that film, Superman crushes a Zod's hand (who is now "mortal" at this point) and throws him against the wall and to his eventual death in the FoS - all while smiling and wisecracking. Zod and Co. in Superman 2 no longer posed an imminent threat. Did we think any less of Superman?

That's a great point, though to be fair the audience doesn't really "see" the death.  I never really thought of Zod and company as falling down a deep well to splatter on the frozen ice below - maybe the fortress cyrogenically freezes them or something?  I guess the difference for me is not knowing and not seeing it versus watching Supes snap someone's neck. 

I'd also absolutely agree with having to kill someone to save innocent lives.  I haven't seen it yet, but given the situation as I've read it the script put him in a position where he was justified in killing.  However, that's really in direct contrast to his boy scout nature depicted in decades of comics, TV, and movies.  It was clearly done for shock value, which is always going to make some people happy and some people not. 

Someone did mention that the reaction moments after killing Zod was light hearted, which does feel like a missed opportunity to show some remorse for the loss of life.  I think this is the kind of thing that directors forget these days - taking 60 seconds to show some human reaction and emotion.  One of my favorite scenes in Star Wars is when Luke is yearning to live his own life and sulks off to watch the horizon as the twin suns are setting.  No words, no crazy CGI - just that honest sense of heart ache that everyone in the audience can relate to.  It's too bad that scenes like that have lost their place in the big budget action world.

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6" Figures / Re: 6" Black Series - 2013 Wave 2
« on: June 18, 2013, 10:07 AM »
Well, the references picture collage they have linked is made up of pics of  Greedo's head/mask, hands/gloves, gun belt, blaster, and stills of the actor in the suit.

I'm pretty sure it's Greedo. :P

LOL!  Well played.

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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: Superman - Man of Steel
« on: June 17, 2013, 04:38 PM »
Haven't seen it yet, but intrigured to from all the posts.  I have to say on the surface, I agree with QGJ is saying about Superman's ending.  Seems like he would have tried to find another way.  Great article on the whole issue right here from EW.

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Vintage Kenner / Re: Latest vintage acquisition
« on: June 16, 2013, 12:31 PM »
Nice!  I like finding old stuff like that.  I scored another Vintage Death Star Playset at a garage sale yesterday - box included!  It doesn't have the original foam or the rope (grrr!), but everything else was there and in seemingly great shape.  Planning to build it with my son tonight!   :)  They had a big tub of what looked like a few more death stars, x-wing, some of the vintage bases, but they were all very rough.  I would have bought it for cheap, but at $75 it stayed behind. 

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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: Iron Man 3
« on: June 15, 2013, 10:21 PM »
They set up the drinking storyline in earlier flicks, but never followed it through to him having a real problem with it.  I can take the kid, but panic attacks were clearly rewritten to replace drunken episodes and that didn't really work for me. 

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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: Iron Man 3
« on: June 15, 2013, 11:10 AM »
You didn't answer the question.

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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: Iron Man 3
« on: June 15, 2013, 09:42 AM »
  When Shane Black attempted to make Iron Man 3 more of a character study about Tony, I get the sense that the audience wasn't on board as much as they had been for Iron Man, Iron Man 2 and Avengers. 

You get the sense the audience wasn't on board?  Based on what research Nick?  Come on - this has to do with your opinion, not some gauge of the viewing public.

And you want to take this character study to an even darker place?

Even darker than what, panic attacks?  I'd hardly call the movie dark, but yeah, I think people could handle a darker storyline with a flaw Stark will have to chip away at the rest of his life.  Were you happy with how they resolved the panic attacks?  He just magically overcomes them by fixing things?  What a cop out. 

Try reading This writer's opinion.  I like the way he sums it up: 

"I think it would have been great to see darker elements of Tony Stark’s lifestyle dealt with in the film. Overcoming one’s own weaknesses—real weaknesses not just being scared of putting on tights—is even tougher than fighting Ben Kingsley in makeup, and suggesting that being responsible about drinking and staying in recovery would have been a powerful message about what makes a hero. Maybe next time?"

And what about your star?  Robert Downey Jr. has been through a very rough and public battle with substance abuse.  He's defied the odds and managed to turn his life and career around.  He's also one of the most gifted actors of his generation.  And if he was going to do a movie with a character arc that revolves around substance abuse, I think he would want it to be done the right way.

Maybe, but we don't really know what RDJ's opinion is.  Maybe he signed on for this character thinking he could play out a story of substance abuse and redemption.  Maybe he would come across as incredibly believable and realistic because of the fact that he's gone through it in real life.  Maybe taking on that challenge and hitting it out of the park would give this movie some emotional firepower.  The best movies teach you something about yourself or give you a moral to rally behind.  What was the moral of IM3?

As I originally stated, this is Disney coping out and playing it safe.  Better to get a solid base hit than shoot for a home run in their eyes.  I can understand that with lots of money on the line, I just don't agree with it.  Even Black and Pierce note "you pick your battles" which suggests that they wanted to go this route too before getting shot down.  As your article points out, there are a few crazy moms who were already speaking out against the drinking in earlier movies.  Catering to the crazy few and playing it safe is the definition of selling out - I'm just not a fan of that.  This story had the potential to be so much more than it was.

Go back and read the story revision I told with Iron Man's panic attacks replaced by drinking.  Why does he end up in the middle of nowhere after the Mandarin's attack?  He was drunk beforehand and blacked out flying.  Why does the Iron Patriot even get involved?  Stark's too drunk to handle it.  Why doesn't Stark use his army of suits in every fight?  It could have been something he developed after sobering up or even a contingency plan he put in place because he was worried about being drunk.  Do you think any of that would have made the movie worse somehow?  I gave IM3 a 7 out of 10 - with the alcoholism in there it would have gotten a 10 from me and maybe made it something really memorable instead of just yet another glossed over action sequel.

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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: Iron Man 3
« on: June 15, 2013, 03:25 AM »
If you have ever dealt with alcoholism/drug dependence, then you'll know that it takes a LONG time for someone to regain the trust they squander away.  I just don't think that they could handle it in a realistic way in the forum of a mass-market summer blockbuster.

Okay, for starters my dad was an alcoholic, never got help, and died two years ago from alcoholism.  I don't want to make the conversation about me, but you should know that I have a little first hand experience with the disease. 

Secondly, what's your definition of a "long time?"  Stark has been drinking for years and years according to the movies.  It isn't about regaining trust - it's about the pivotal moment when you decide that there's something more important in your life than drinking.  Agree to disagree I guess - they could easily show that in the way I described it.

Lastly, you're talking about "realistic" in a movie about Extremis tech and a guy with a flying suit of armor.  ;) They could make it just as real as they made the panic attacks, so if you bought that sub plot, the alcoholism shouldn't be a stretch.

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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: Superman - Man of Steel
« on: June 14, 2013, 12:18 PM »
I hear Superman has Zod follow him to his fortress of solitude and preforms a light trick that sucks Zod's super powers out of him turning him mortal.

LOL! 

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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: Iron Man 3
« on: June 13, 2013, 05:26 PM »
I think the reason that Stark's alcoholism is not a plot point is because there isn't a really good way to introduce this very real issue, and resolve is satisfactorily in the course of 2 1/2 hours.  Comics have the luxury of being able to deal with the ramifications over several months.  Stark's demons are a way to keep him out of the armor, to try something different.  The producers (and the audience) don't want a film where Tony isn't in the armor. 

I think everyone is in agreement.

Almost everyone - not me

 - Alcoholism WAS IN THE INITIAL SCRIPT Black was working on, so they clearly found a way to incorporate it.  It was dumped because of Disney executives, not because it couldn't fit into the movie.

 - It's usage was intended as a sub plot, not the main story.  Doesn't mean Tony is out of the armor the whole movie and honestly he was out of the armor most of IM3 anyway, so not sure where you're going with that.  Drunk Iron Man was a recent comic plot point and sets up some really interesting questions about the downside of having superpowered vigilantes.  This also sets up the potential to have an IM4 with limited RDJ if need be, which would be a nice option now that he's indicated he wants a break.

 - The drinking was already established in both Iron Man and Avengers movies, so its not like they needed to spend time building this up.  If you can resolve an arms dealer enjoying making weapons then have him swear off them in one movie, then you can clearly have someone enjoying booze and swearing off it in the course of one story.  Alcoholism is not something you overcome like a virus.  They can't "solve" alcoholism in a lone movie, but they can easily address it and have Tony walk away from it all in one movie.

Honestly, just take the 4(ish) scenes where Tony is having panic attacks and replace them with scenes of him being drunk.  Maybe you need another 1-2 minutes of added setup, but you could probably just put a drink in his hand in a few early scenes and rely on the already constructed groundwork from prior films.  When Pepper is taken and Tony's drunk, War Machine swoops in becasue Tony's shnockered, actually giving the "Iron Patriot" more of a reason for being and more purpose in the film.  He can't cut it, so Tony has to come to the realization that his friends (Pepper, Rhodey, Happy) are more important to him than drinking.  He sobers up, swears off the drink, comes up with a system to control multiple armors at once, then the last 30 minutes of the movie are exactly as we saw it.  Hell, the narration we saw with Bruce could have actually been Tony at an AA meeting. 

I hope they don't touch it now - it wouldn't make any sense since they ignored the opportunity with IM3.  This and the missed link back to SHEILD just baffles me.  Why would you not plug the TV show and future movies in some way?  Can't believe executives were so concerned about drinking, but dropped the ball on SHIELD.

I liked IM3, but this route is completely achievable, credible, and proably a lot more emotional/meaningful for people than what we ended up with. 

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Kubricks / Re: Medicom Toy Exhibition '13 (Parco Show)
« on: June 13, 2013, 05:00 PM »
Yeah - along with that, it's not like we've seen a wave without some kind of reissue/repaint in a long time either.  I could see them just taking the exact same figure with a different paint job or tweak and releasing as a Bespin wave.

Probably all moot since we don't even know that we'll see any SW Kubrick info at this point...

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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: Iron Man 3
« on: June 13, 2013, 07:24 AM »
So, this prompted me to run a search for "Disney Alcoholism" to see if they have ever tackled the issue in another movie.  I was surprised to find dozens of articles claiming that Tony's drinking problem actually was a sub plot in the first script!  But of course, Disney wants feel good movies and panic attacks are a more socially acceptible disease than alcoholism.  Kudos to the original screenplay writer for trying to cover an authentic, critical element of Stark's character and a big FU to Disney for their cowardess.   >:(

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Gentle Giant / Re: Gentle Giant Jumbo Han Solo - Hoth
« on: June 12, 2013, 11:00 PM »
Awesome.  That means Hoth Soldier can't be far behind.

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Kubricks / Re: Medicom Toy Exhibition '13 (Parco Show)
« on: June 12, 2013, 10:59 PM »
Its ROTJ's year, so as long as we're making wish lists...I want to see Ree Yees, Barada, Klaatu, Nikto, Weequay, and Squid Head.  I don't even care about chases or builds, just give me those six and I can die happy.

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