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The Black Series 6" Figures / Re: 2021 HasLab Black Series Rancor
« on: December 9, 2021, 01:51 PM »
Quote from: Matt_Fury on December  9, 2021, 09:53 AM
The more I think about it, the more I'm coming to the conclusion that Hasbro really shot themselves in the foot over this one.  They made so many mistakes in this campaign and it still almost made it into production.

I saw an interesting post on Facebook today about the backer numbers for various Haslab projects.  Of note, the Razorcrest had the same $350 price point as the Rancor, but the minimum backer limit was set to just 6,000.  Any theories on why the Rancor had a 50% increase despite seemingly being further along than the Crest?  I would assume similar or better profit margins given all the extras the Crest comes with in comparison. 
 ???

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The Vintage Collection / Re: Walmart 2022 TVC Mando/Grogu (Maldo Kreis)
« on: December 9, 2021, 01:46 PM »
Quote from: P-Siddy on December  9, 2021, 12:38 PM
Quote from: JediJman on December  9, 2021, 12:02 PM
Mando Spider Set was available this morning for about an hour.  Anyone grab an extra?  Its sold out now.

I bought two in hopes of assuring at least 1 nice card (no guarantees, obviously), but I can sell you my extra if you don't find a local.

Thank you sir!

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The Vintage Collection / Re: Walmart 2022 TVC Mando/Grogu (Maldo Kreis)
« on: December 9, 2021, 12:03 PM »
Quote from: Rob on December  9, 2021, 11:33 AM
Annnnnnnnd... out of stock.

ARGH!!!!

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The Vintage Collection / Re: Walmart 2022 TVC Mando/Grogu (Maldo Kreis)
« on: December 9, 2021, 12:02 PM »
Mando Spider Set was available this morning for about an hour.  Anyone grab an extra?  Its sold out now.

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Joe Defender / Re: 2022 3.75" GI Joe - The Return of the O-Ring!
« on: December 8, 2021, 09:46 AM »
Quote from: Jeff on December  8, 2021, 12:18 AM
It's Over!  Final total will be over 16750 backers (sitting at 16802 but that may move a bit as orders are finalized)

Skystriker base package FUNDED!
Tier 1 - Flight Suit Scarlett UNLOCKED!
Tier 2 - Night Force Rip Cord UNLOCKED!

Tier 3 - GI Joe Pit Crew 2-Pack stayed locked :(

Since the tooling for the GI Joe Pit Crew member is getting cut to make the Cobra Snake Pit Crewman, I'm really hoping the Ketchup/Mustard dudes will still get made and be sold separately as a future HasbroPulse exclusive!

Sweet!  I jumped in after seeing Scarlett was unlocked, but surprised to see they got to Rip Cord by the deadline.  $229 for a jet and 7 figures feels like a pretty sweet deal!

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The Vintage Collection / Re: Walmart 2022 TVC Deluxe "World-Building" Box Sets
« on: December 8, 2021, 09:41 AM »
Well, with names like "SW VIN LAGUNA" you pretty much need to follow Jayson to know that they're available. 

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The Black Series 6" Figures / Re: 2021 HasLab Black Series Rancor
« on: December 7, 2021, 06:24 PM »
Quote from: GrandMoffNick on December  7, 2021, 05:26 PM
I can only speak for myself but scale absolutely was a huge factor and why I didn't ever plan to back the Rancor and I love the BS line. So ignorant to say that's everyone's belief may be true but it at least cost then my SW money. I think it's a fair part of the argument

I'm not saying every SW collector would buy it regardless of scale, I'm saying it would have funded if the promotion and costs and incentives were all in line with the 3.75" projects that have succeeded.  Some people buy both scales, some buy only one of the other, so obviously it impacts sales from that perspective.  I'm not sure what the count is on number of collectors who purchase each line, but the BS market is clearly big enough to support a Haslab project if its done right.

Also not sure that I buy the argument that if they didn't offer a 6" Rancor, we would have had a different offer in the 3.75" scale for Star Wars.  Myabe it would have just been the Striker and Ghostbusters Pack and that's it.  I work for a manufacturer and our releases of Product Line A have no real bearing on releases of Product Line B.  If we could launch a new product in each that would be great, but we don't fund one line at the expense of another.

Steve - I do think having multiple projects at once is a factor, as is not having delivered the Crest before you start asking for money for another big backer project.  I'm sure the Rancor's failure has some people shifting funds to back the Skystriker now.  I know I'm considering it...

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The Vintage Collection / Re: Walmart 2022 TVC Deluxe "World-Building" Box Sets
« on: December 7, 2021, 05:10 PM »
I like them. They could do more with these, but maybe they will if the line is successful.  Think about it this way - you can get 16+ of these sets and still not pay what you would have for the Rancor...

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The Vintage Collection / Re: Recent Vintage Collection Purchases
« on: December 7, 2021, 05:07 PM »
Quote from: LandotheScoundrel on September 13, 2021, 12:14 PM
Crap...our credit card was compromised and we got new ones, but the cc# has changed. I was able to easily update all my pre-orders, but for some asinine reason Walmart doesn't allow that. Any idea if they charge when you order, or do they wait until they're ready to ship? Has anyone had to deal with that before?

I have had to work through this and there is literally nothing Walmart can do except cancel your order and have you reorder, which is asinine since preorders have already sold out.  It's so ridiculous.  Any other toy seller can modify the payment method without losing your order including small mom and pop shops.  No idea why Walmart can't figure it out. 

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The Black Series 6" Figures / Re: 2021 HasLab Black Series Rancor
« on: December 7, 2021, 05:01 PM »
Quote from: Matt_Fury on December  7, 2021, 03:28 PM
The Skystriker is over the line and will be going into production.

Is the Rancor's loss the Skystriker's gain?

Does 3.75" scale work better for Haslab items?

I don't think it is the scale at all and frankly find comments about it a little ignorant.  Not directed at you, but I'm so over this argument.  I have seen lots of comments about scale the past few weeks because the TVC guys feel like Black Series is somehow hurting the potential for more/better TVC product. I don't think the failure had anything to do with this being Black Series and everything to do with marketing and perceived value.

Think about the Skystriker offering compared to the Rancor for a minute:
  • Vehicle with tons of accessories at the base level vs. Rancor Bones as a backer limit incentive
  • initially offered 2 carded figures in the base offering, none for the Rancor
  • "Whoopsie Plus up" of 3 additional carded Cobra figures include a rare fan favorite of Cobra Commander compared to a hastily added, uncarded Rancor Keeper
  • Incentives for 4 more carded Joe figures (so a total of up to 9 figures!?) vs. 2.5 carded repack figures for the Rancor
  • Sticker sheets for a Joe version or Hijacked Cobra version or a standard F-14 version and a potential army builder vehicle anyway to incent multiple purchases.  Who needs more than one Rancor?
  • Fun marketing blitz with a Cobra Commander Video and other communications vs. lame last minute email "Last chance to get your Rancor"
  • And then there's the price: $229 for all that versus $350 for the Rancor.

That's not a scale issue, that's a value proposition issue.  I'm tempted to get a Skystriker just to make money off it.  If it gets to 9 exclusive figures, you could easily sell those for $25 a pop and getting $225 back is basically a free plane.  If the Rancor somehow fully funded all incentives, you could sell the figs for maybe $50 each?  So at best you get $200 and still pay $150 for the Rancor.  The value on these just isn't even close.

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The Black Series 6" Figures / Re: 2021 HasLab Black Series Rancor
« on: December 7, 2021, 12:45 AM »
Well, I for one am glad it failed.  Sorry to those that were looking forward to it, but hopefully this sends a message about the pricing/value/marketing.  I don't pretend to know Hasbro's cost structure, but I simply can't believe that this thing costs that much to make.  It should have been $200ish or may $250 with some figures added in and I think it would have cleared without any problems.  Or if they had simply made Oola and Rancor Keeper incentives from the start, it would have more than cleared the initial backers.  Look how close they got despite so many of us BS collectors refusing to buy. 

I just hope that the message is interpreted as "Hey, this was cool, but we need better pricing and incentives to make it work" versus what I read above and in other forums with people saying "Haslab should only be for TVC, not Black Series."  I don't think this was remotely a TVC vs BS problem, it was just an overall value proposition problem combined with a rough time of year to be shelling out big bucks AND two other Haslab projects potentially stealing away interested buyers.  While they clearly could have done better, I do appreciate Hasbro's willingness to make really cool stuff like this through a backer program and hope we'll see more cool BS stuff in the future.

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The Black Series 6" Figures / Re: 2021 HasLab Black Series Rancor
« on: December 6, 2021, 10:00 PM »
Quote from: McMetal on December  6, 2021, 09:57 PM
That UK screen grab doesn’t actually seem to say it was funded, only that is has moved to production. Which I think is probably the default status if the deadline hits overseas first.

Over 7100 now, so getting more interesting for sure.

I don't know - why would you have a default that something moves to production if it hasn't crossed the threshold?  Wouldn't you set your default for unfunded until its actually funded?   ???

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The Black Series 6" Figures / Re: 2021 HasLab Black Series Rancor
« on: December 6, 2021, 09:20 PM »
Here come more shenanigans.  Orders per minute has raced up to 5 over the last 30 minutes.

   Time      Minutes      Count      New      Rate   
   11:21      -      5834      -      -   
   11:26      5      5839      5      1.0   
   11:27      1      5840      1      1.0   
   11:29      2      5842      2      1.0   
   11:33      4      5848      6      1.5   
   11:34      1      5849      1      1.0   
   12:09      35      5876      27      0.8   
   12:21      11      5886      10      0.9   
   12:23      2      5887      1      0.5   
   2:17      114      6118      231      2.0   
   2:30      13      6144      26      2.0   
   2:37      7      6159      15      2.1   
   3:12      35      6256      97      2.8   
   4:00      48      6349      93      1.9   
   4:05      5      6362      13      2.6   
   4:11      6      6381      19      3.2   
   4:51      40      6445      64      1.6   
   5:03      12      6468      23      1.9   
   5:11      8      6483      15      1.9   
   5:25      14      6506      23      1.6   
   6:00      35      6599      93      2.7   
   6:43      43      6666      67      1.6   
   7:08      25      6722      56      2.2   
   7:17      9      6745      23      2.6   
   7:25      8      6761      16      2.0   
   7:45      20      6825      64      3.2   
   8:15      30      6974      149      5.0   
   8:20      5      7001      27      5.4   
   

That intern better start punching the orders received button a little faster.  They still need 12 per minute to get there in the next 2 hours 45 minutes.                           

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The Black Series 6" Figures / Re: 2021 HasLab Black Series Rancor
« on: December 6, 2021, 08:08 PM »
So, a guy on Facebook from the UK just posted a screenshot that shows the Rancor is already listed as fully funded.  Shenanigans? A-yep. 

Funded.  Unreal.

https://uk.hasbropulse.com/collections/haslab

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The Black Series 6" Figures / Re: 2021 HasLab Black Series Rancor
« on: December 6, 2021, 05:54 PM »
I'm really surprised they don't just drop an extra 1500.  If they get within 1000 with a good chunk of time left I think you'll start to see the panic button go off for a lot of people that don't want to miss out or people who think they can make some money buying a few extra of these.

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