The 2008 season is so last week.   

 

I know, but what else are we going to talk about until the draft?   

Still holding out for a GoBots movie.

HA!  That's hilarious!

I'm kind of done with this topic as the comments are getting reptitive, but you're lying and that bothers me.

#1 - I didn't say jack about "Chatter" on YouTube. Ever.  Read my posts.  I didn't even know that there were comments posted about videos on YouTube until you mentioned it and I went to look for it.  What I said was that there is a lot of chatter online about the Harrison beat down.  If you can face the truth, do a search on Google for "harrison francisco super bowl" and you'll see plenty of "Chatter" about this.  I won't offer up a number or false stats - its pretty obvious if you take 30 seconds to look that people were upset about his actions.

#2 - I only mentioned Youtube in reference to actual video of what happened.  There are dozens of videos of Harrison going berserk on Francisco.  You keep talking about how "chippy" the game and that there were "Scrubs" all over, yet there appear to be no videos of any other brawls or anyone running over your place holder.  You compared that play to Harrison's actions - if it was an intentional attack on another player remotely similar to what Harrison did, then why are there no videos of it or articles about it?  After all, you keep talking about what a big play it was - it should be very easy for you to back that up if true. 

#3 - Where did I say that Matt_Fury is full of ****?  I can't believe that you're trying to make it look like I'm refuting him, when in fact he was refuting you.  Here's his quote since your memory seems to be lacking:

I don't think it was an equivalent thing Jesse.  Not saying it should not have been a penalty, but I think forward momentum had a lot to do with him hitting the ball holder.

I'm not going to speak for someone else like you will, but I took that to mean that he didn't think it was an intentional beat down similar to Harrison's.  The question is quite obviously not about whether the play happened, but whether or not it's a fair counter point to what Harrison did.  I say it was not and seems pretty clear that Matt_Fury felt the same way.  And trying to say that you were having a seperate conversation with Matt is weak.  His comment refuted your reply to my post, so it's all one big happy conversation.  If you want to have a private conversation, don't post in a forum.  "Matt" said something similar to IFETT in a conversation a week ago and I find that arguement to be plain dumb.  No one here has any more or less right to comment on a post than anyone else.

#4 - Can we please hear more about how you coach kids?  Serioiusly, I know this is your fall back position to anything sports related, but it's really not relevant.  Would you tell your kids that what Harrision did was okay?  If so, you should quit your job ASAP.  I still can't believe you're defending this guy, especially by saying maybe someone wronged him, so he's getting them back.  Is that the leadership and conduct you're teaching your kids?  God, I hope not. 

#5 - You can't seem to escape the notion that I'm a bitter Cardinals fan bitching that they should have won the game if not for the refs.  How many different ways do I need to tell you that I'm not a Cardinals fan and that I'm not saying the game should have gone to the Cardinals?  I've very clearly said that I think Harrison should have been thrown out for his actions and that the Warner "fumble" at the end of the game should have been reviewed.  If that happens and the outcome is the same, then I'm fine with the Steelers winning. 

Sure, the Cardinals could have done more to win the game.  I thought the Holmes TD near the end was legit and it was silly that three Cardinals were right in front of him watching him make the catch, especially since the play before was pretty much the same thing.  But if you don't see the impact that certain calls have on the game, then you're blind.  Everyone here seems to agree that it was a close game with a lot of close calls.  I believe the majority of close calls went to the Steelers.  Any one of those could have easily gone in the Cardinals favor, so you have to admit that its at least possible that Arizona would have won if one of those calls went the other way.  Its pretty simple logic then that one different close call decision by the refs might have changed the outcome of this game.  They are obviously not the only factor in a game, but yes, the decisions made on close calls by refs are a big part of why one team wins and another loses, as was the case here.

We obviously just don't see eye to eye on football.  If my Packers were in this situation I would be elated that they were the new SB champs just like you are with, but if AJ Hawk had pulled the stunt that Harrison pulled, I'd be in full support of dropping him from the team no matter how good he is.  It's a violent enough sport without guys who can't control their aggression beating up on someone who's on the ground and clearly not fighting back. 

Anyway, I'm going to follow the advice from my previous post and move on until we can find something else football related to argue about.   

You didn't answer the question.  Do you think what Harrison did was acceptable or not? 

Jesse, I don't think youtube is a definitive answer for what happens in the NFL. You're the one who keeps quoting the morons that comment on the video.  You say you won't take anyone's argument as gospel, but nearly every post you've made on this refers to the posts of people on YT.  I don't know any of those folks from Adam, but none of them sound very intelligent.  Example: "Steelers and their fans are PUNK BITCHES! and dirty hoes as well!"  Do you really think it's worth using these responses as part of an argument?  I don't.

I posted the video as visual evidence for yourself or anyone else on here who wants to view the play and judge for themselves.  If you want more videos of that play, look at the related videos off to the right after that video plays - there are way more than just two vids.  There were 25 of them listed when I looked, and that's just YT locating similar vids on it's own. 

I did search for the play you mentioned and couldn't turn up anything.  That's why I asked you to provide info on it, which you're obviously unable to do.  The one guy who confirmed it also said it looked like an accident - not very compelling evidence my friend.   I don't need exact figures, but you can't throw around percentages without some truth behind them and expect to be taken seriously.  I know that 86% of the people here agree with that.   

As for the reference to our disagreement on Owens, I'm simply bringing that up as a reference point for your position on Harrison.  You can call it team play or morality or leadership or teen spirit - I don't care what semantics you want to use.  The point is that you took a strong position against a guy for the words he says and called him locker room cancer, but you seem to have no problem with someone who punches a guy, holds him down, then violently shoves him to the ground multiple times.  I guess I just don't understand your value system.  Personally, I'd rather have a guy on my team who shoots his mouth off once in a while versus a guy who attacks others physically because he can't control his aggression, but I guess we just don't see eye to eye on it.  Regardless, I didn't mean to open up old wounds and hope you can see why I thought your earlier view is relevant.

Lastly, I'm just going to go on record in saying that I rarely ever have comments about the reffing regardless of whether my team won or lost.  I think those guys have a tough job and don't doubt that they're doing better than what I could do.  I bring it up in the context of this game however because so many calls were so close and between so many toss up calls going in favor of the Steelers and them not even reviewing the Warner "fumble" at the end it sure seemed like there was potential for bias.  Like I said before, flip the situation around and I have no doubt that you'd be singing a very different tune about the calls.

C'est la vie

Should I make it four in a row?  Guess so! 

Thanks to Jay for hooking me up with a set of wave 4 clone wars figs - you rule!

GO PATRIOTS VS. VIKINGS SUPER BOWL NEXT YEAR!!!!!!!!!

A Patriot and Vikings fan - no wonder you don't want to talk any more about football!   

Like I said before, my real issue with the game was Harrison's behavior.  I don't buy the argument that there was anything similar on anyone else's behalf in that game.  It's a rough sport and people get hurt, but that was an intentional beat down unlike anything else I saw from any team all year.  The excuse that similar things were happening all over and the TV just didn't catch it doesn't fly with me.  As long as Harrison is on that team, the only difference between the Steelers and the Raiders is a few shiny cups in the trophy case.

I'm not surprised to see them sitting around, but I am surprised that they're not on clearance yet.  Its like someone figured out that the UBPs were clearanced too low, too fast last year, so now they're over correcting.

It may not have made a difference, but I think that was a bad call at the end of the game.  It should've been ruled an incomplete pass.  I doubt the Cardinals could pull anything off with only 5 seconds left, but still.

It was an exciting game and a fun one to watch.

AMEN.  I'm not going to rant over the officiating...well, yes I am.  I think the Cards got a raw deal between the Harrison TD at the end of the first half and the Warner "fumble" at the end of the game.  They sure took their sweet time making sure Harrison's TD was legit, but the angle on the TV looked to me like his knee was down before crossing the line.  It also looked to me like Warner's arm was moving forward on that last play, but no review at all?  For something that close at the end of the biggest game of the year? 

Anyone can say that the Steelers would have gotten another play and scored at the end of the half anyway (despite a number of strong Arizona goal line stands) and likewise, maybe the Cardinals wouldn't have done anything with one more play and 5 seconds on the clock, but who knows?  Maybe I'm biased because I wanted the Cards to win, but a little more even play calling would have been nice.  All in all, at least it was a really close, exciting finish.

Put all that aside though - the real injustice in the game was the call on that classless thug Harrison.  Shoving a guy, holding him down, clearly punching him in the back, shoving him down with a hit to the throat, then shoving him down AGAIN.  Madden was right - he should have been ejected.  Instead the Steelers get penalized what, a yard?  Say what you want about guys like C. Johnson, T. Owens, or R. Moss - I'd rather have a dozen guys like that on my team before I'd take a dirty cheating piece of **** like Harrison. 

Congratulations to the Pittsburgh Stealers.