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Star Wars Universe / Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
« on: September 2, 2011, 02:31 PM »
I'll just try to track down those 2006 DVDs with the 1993 Laserdisc versions of the OT and call it a day.

I looked those up online yesterday at Amazon, Best Buy, and Walmart, and they're all gone.  Out of print.  Both the 2006 individual releases and the 2008 box set which packaged them all together.  Used 2008 sets are fetching around $75+ on Amazon and eBay.

Funny, the individual prequel DVDs and the companion Prequel Trilogy set are all readily available right now at Amazon at normal prices.

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Star Wars Universe / Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
« on: September 2, 2011, 12:05 AM »
Jim, I disagree with your post wholesale.  Rather than responding to everything I disagree with individually, I'm just going to delete everything I disagree with.  It's easier that way.

it's George's movie and he can do what he wants.

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he has the money and tools to change what he doesn't like, be it dialogue, sound effects or other stuff.

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If you don't like it, don't buy it.

Cheers.

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The Original Trilogy / Re: 'From Star Wars to Jedi' Documentary
« on: September 1, 2011, 02:48 AM »
Three year bump!

This is on YouTube in full if anyone wants to watch it.  65 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaMWTDwogbo

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Star Wars Universe / Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
« on: August 31, 2011, 11:37 PM »
If Lucas were willing to come off his high horse and release the original edits of the films as they appeared in theaters for the first time, even included in a set like this, then I think you'd see a lot less moaning.  You'd see people bitch still, but at least you'd have some HD versions of the original right there for you...

HD versions of the originals don't exist.  They could exist, if Thyroid Man would just allow it, but he won't, so the versions from the 2006 DVDs (which themselves were just taken from the 1993 laserdiscs) are the best we've got.  The best (official) versions of the original trilogy are old enough to vote.  Sweet.

This is somewhat lengthy but really interesting, I think.

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Had the film remained like this, we would have a restored version of Star Wars, perfectly matching the original release but with pristine quality, even to the point where it was better than what could have been possible back then (as with the higher quality optical transitions). However, this was only part of the process of making what was eventually called "The Special Edition." ILM was working on many dozens of new shots, and an even larger amount of enhanced shots, using digital effects to re-do, expand, re-edit and otherwise alter many scenes in the film. When these were completed, they apparently were printed onto film and re-cut into the negative, replacing the original negs, which were undoubtedly put back into storage. As a result, the negative for Star Wars is filled with CGI-laden modern alterations. When Lucas says that the original version physically does not exist, this is what he really means--the negative is conformed to the Special Edition. Of course, it would be very easy to simply put the original pieces back and conform it to the original version, or use the separation masters and IPs, or simply scan the old pieces for a digital restoration, but I digress.

(snip)

it is also incredibly hard to imagine that Star Wars will never be restored to its original version. Perhaps it will take Lucas' passing to see this enacted--or perhaps not, given that he allowed the original versions to be released on DVD in 2006, even if they were just Laserdisk ports. In any case, I would be willing to bet a good amount of money that in some years in the future efforts were made to somehow save the original version of Star Wars--from Lucas himself, it may seem, as his Special Edition would have to be somehow worked around in gathering original elements. The negative could be re-conformed to its original configuration, using the original, saved pieces, but this is problematic due to handling issues (and losing more frames). When Robert Harris restored Godfather last year, he had to do it entirely digitally, saying that if any pin-registered mechanism were to touch the negative it would crumble. [60] In Star Wars' case, using scans of the separation masters is perfectly viable, and though IPs and Technicolor prints are not ideal for masters they could be usable if cleaned up digitally. Perhaps the easiest option would be to simply follow the 1997 restoration pattern but in the digital realm: scan the negative in 8K, then scan the stored pre-SE shots or re-comp them, and fill in any damaged areas with IPs or separation masters, reconstructing the original cut, then digitally remove dirt and damage, and finally use a Technicolor print as a color reference for the Digital Intermediate created. Such a product would be theatrically viable, as pristine as when it had been shot, and 100% faithful in image and color to the original release.

The pricetag of doing a project like this would likely be under a million dollars.
Jim Ward claims that Lucasfilm sold $100 million in DVDs in a single day when the refurbished Star Wars films came out in 2004, [61] and while this figure might not be replicated (though in my opinion it probably would, if given a comparable marketing campaign) clearly there would be worthwhile profit. One day, I predict this process will happen, but that day does not seem to be anywhere in the near future. It will remain to be seen if the negative to Star Wars is in a salvageable state by the time this happens or if it has become a brittle relic, faded to black and white. It wouldn't be the first time the negative of a famous film has been lost--Criterion's restoration of Seven Samurai, for instance, does not work from a negative, nor did the gorgeous 35mm print of Rashomon that toured theatres this year. With fine-grain masters, IPs, and Separation masters available, the negative need not be the only source for a new master.

Backlash has, of course, occurred because of all this drama. The last dedicated release of the original version was a Laserdisk and VHS in 1995 (using the 1985 IP, which was then mastered in THX, according to Into the Digital Realm--the in-progress restoration couldn't be used for this release because it was still in-progress). By 2006, originaltrilogy.com had petitioned over 70,000 signatures to get the original versions released, and while the Laserdisk-port release of that year was at least admission of defeat of Lucas' crusade to erase the originals from existence, it also frustrated fans and experts alike, especially since the release wasn't even anamorphic (as the Laserdisk wasn't). When a letter-writing campaign reached Lucasfilm they responded by saying that the Laserdisk was the best source for the originals [62] --which it would be without having to spend money, that is. Robert Harris, the man who had hand-restored Vertigo and Lawrence of Arabia, and later The Godfather, went on record saying he knew there were pristine 35mm elements available for use, and offered his services to restore the film [63]. Lucasfilm did not respond. The efforts of fans and professionals like these will probably result in the aforementioned restoration at some point, if only for the callousness of making money, but it seems that day is not today.

The story of Star Wars' negative is both the story of advancing technology and the story of Lucas' ego. Showing how fragile negative film can be, how all sorts of old-fashioned tricks and the most advanced of analog technology was used to photo-chemically restore the elements, which were then embellished by select digital pieces in the infant technology, like some kind of emerging cyborg; by 2004, the film had been entirely consumed by digital technology, existing only as a digital negative. At the same time, a crusade of revisionism took over, moving from a project to preserve Star Wars so that future generations could see it, to an enhanced anniversary celebration for the fans that Lucas could use as an excuse to play with emerging digital technology, to finally a consummation of his prequel storyline and a nail in the coffin for the original version that so many had loved and that had given him his empire in the first place, while the quality of the negative itself seemed perpetually sliding downward in resolution.

The Secret History of Star Wars: Saving Star Wars: The Special Edition Restoration Process and its Changing Physicality

Lots more at the link if you're inclined.

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Star Wars Universe / Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
« on: August 31, 2011, 10:17 PM »
I still have a hard time believing the Dragon sound effect is a real clip.  It also seems that if Jayson is right about the insertion of the rocks, the sequence is missing that effect.  So something has to give. 

The YouTube video(s) yesterday were the new audio clips synched to old video clips to give context to the new audio.  They never claimed the video to be taken from the Blu-ray rips.

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Star Wars Universe / Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
« on: August 31, 2011, 04:40 PM »
From some shitheel's blog:

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"Yes, the updates are confirmed. We hope fans will wait to see for themselves how they fit into the Saga before making any judgments."

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Star Wars Universe / Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
« on: August 31, 2011, 02:47 PM »
These are hardly confirmed. I grain of salt, perhaps?

Realer than Real Deal Holyfield.

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On Wednesday, a press representative for Lucasfilm confirmed that this change will be included in the Blu-ray release, writing in an email: “Yes—Darth says NO.”

New York Times: Lucasfilm Confirms Change to Blu-ray Release of ‘Return of the Jedi’

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Star Wars Universe / Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
« on: August 31, 2011, 12:23 PM »
Any word/rumors on free goodies stores might be giving out on release day? I'd rather pre-order from Amazon but I'm holding out to see if there's anything good at retail.

Buy any of the Blu-rays at Walmart and you'll also take home a poster of this gorgeous and not-at-all-ridiculous Star Wars artwork.



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Star Wars Universe / Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
« on: August 30, 2011, 03:05 PM »
And apparently Vader now yells "no" at the end of Jedi when The Emperor is cooking Luke.

Oh my *****.

Ish.  Is it the same NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! from ROTS?  Bletch.  That'll definitely ruin that scene for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGaSxSuB2vY

Skywalker Sound Engineers Confirm They’ve Remixed Star Wars Again – For Blu-ray? 3D Theatrical?

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Star Wars sound engineers Matt Wood and David Acord have spoken to this week’s ForceCast. Chiefly, they were chatting in a rather specific and delightfully nerdy manner about a single detail of the original Star Wars soundtrack, debating whether or not Obi Wan’s scary roar was borrowed from a Hanna-Barbera cartoon called Dino Boy. However, at the end of the segment, they revealed the following:

    And, to be honest, that sound effect has been changed again. So at some point the audiences will be hearing that scene again with the new sound effect.

At some point, unspecified, in the future. Intriguing. Here’s another quote on the new version of the effect:

    [We] decided it should sound even more human. And the human it does sound like… yeah, we’ll talk about that another time.

New Krayt Dragon on YouTube

What is this I don't even

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Star Wars Universe / Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
« on: August 30, 2011, 01:42 PM »
Oh God.  Some of the discs have leaked online and people that have seen them are saying that Luke's saber on the Falcon is still green.

And in a change that absolutely no one was asking for, Wicket now has blinking, CGI eyes for some reason.

And apparently Vader now yells "no" at the end of Jedi when The Emperor is cooking Luke.

Oh my *****.

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Star Wars Universe / Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
« on: August 30, 2011, 04:24 AM »
And on another note - why the hell does Leia look like something off a Richard James album cover?  ???

Photoshop wiith the Leia bikini, stat!


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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: TeeFury
« on: August 29, 2011, 11:53 AM »

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After being out with tens of thousands of people today at the glorious MN State Fair I have to say my new piss off is people who drag their feet (while walking of course)  PICK EM UP LAZY ASSES!  Hey - at least it's not car related.   :)

Just be glad that people are walking at all at your state fair.




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Star Wars Universe / Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
« on: August 26, 2011, 02:57 PM »
Any opinions on this inner artwork?


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Star Wars Universe / Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
« on: August 26, 2011, 02:56 PM »
I think CGI Yoda is an acceptable change, the puppet has a very hard expression, they softened Yoda´s face to match eps 2 and 3.

Yes, they did.

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