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Forgive me if I missed a thread/post on this somewhere (and for my lack of interest in doing the research myself), but does anyone have a list of the remaining carded updates still needed in the TVC collection to complete the entire vintage "92" figure run?  I'm not talking every vintage carded variant, just the debut cards for each respective figure.  I've completely lost track, and am interested in how close Hasbro is to finishing them all up, and whether it's plausible to do so during TVCs next run in a year or two.


This Ultimate Action Figure Collection book looks to be shaping up pretty nice based on all the previews shown recently.  I'd have actually preferred a chronological look at all the figures, but considering we're up in the 2,500+ range now, that's obviously not a realistic idea.  The grouping of like figures is actually going to be pretty cool both for reference and comparison's sake, though I'm still not sure if that's how the whole book lays out.  Anyone know?  $40 is a surprisingly reasonable price on this thing too!

Is it just me, or do Curto and Paul look like they could easily be brothers, if not almost twins:

The Vintage Collection / Re: Celebration VI
« on: August 27, 2012, 06:14 PM »
Maybe they'll start making "Detours" style figures ;).

Please don't give Hasbro any ideas!  I'm happy with a scaled back line, to be honest, as I'd much rather refocus my collecting dollars on Blu-rays, travel, home improvement, and more "normal" real-world types of things.  The 2020 license extension is scary enough, but if CW is gone and the live-action series isn't happening (which I doubt is true), then at least Hasbro will be forced to stay focused on movie (and EU) figures bottled into just one or two figure lines at retail.  I think that'd help the overall health of the line: One kids' line full of underarticulated repacks, and one collectors' line full of all the good stuff.

As for the rest of the C6 showings and news, I'm excited to finally get that ESB big Slave-1 version out of the way, and just as happy to hear they're finally going to eventually knock out the MUCH needed larger version of the desert skiff.  If Hasbro's smart, they'll co-ordinate that with a (hopeful) release of Jabba's Sail Barge.  Speaking of which, has anyone posted a link to the finished Tatooine diorama from C6?  I haven't seen anything pop up around the collecting sites yet, and was anxious to see how it all turned out.

Here's what we know so far:
  • Jango Fett (Pilot)
  • Sandtrooper
  • Battle Droid (red)
  • Anakin Skywalker (ROTS)
  • Yoda
  • Darth Maul
  • Obi-Wan Kenobi (AOTC)
  • R2-D2
  • Darth Vader
As for these three, I'm absolutely speechless:

I know Hasbro's officially gone on the record umpteen times at C6 saying the MH line is now a kid's line, but c'mon, even those decade old sculpts are insulting to the children!  I guess this is a good reminder of where the old figures go when the Hasbro reps (used to) clear the pegs at B&M stores.  Epic fail.  Wow.

Here's thumbs of the rest of the lineup:

No way in hell that Sandtrooper's going to stand up if he's not leaning on his vacuum as a crutch.  I guess it's a smart move to get that Pilot Jango out there with the upcoming Slave-1 (mini) re-release, so kudos to Hasbro for finally putting 1 + 1 together.  And now that I think of it, I guess that's the FX R2 there, which probably makes more sense for the kids, as opposed to any other R2s with an articulated dome.

So is there anything new in that mix, other than the light-up saber Anakin and the Sandtrooper's vacuum accessory (or is it a blower)?  I'll be picking up those two, at least, but hopefully that's it.

I can't remember where I saw the rumor this past week, but a blurb came out during C6 that Hasbro had gotten their license extended a couple more years 'til 2020.  Can anyone else confirm or deny this?  I was really kind of hoping 2018 was going to be it.  If that's no longer the case, I'm going to have some serious explaining to do with my wife!

My guess, and this is just an assumption on my part, is it took them this long to get it to retail and it wasn't tied to them holding it back...  Maybe I'm wrong, but I think if they could've had this on shelves in Jan/Feb, they would've.

Yeah, I'd certainly agree with that.  I didn't word my post very well there.  Much like with the Naboo Starfighter and Tank that are now SOL, I know Hasbro would've preferred to get them into the TPM line originally.  They just failed in that attempt, miserably.  So I was meaning to bash their overall operational effectiveness more than their planning really.  Had they gotten that MTT into the line back when they should've, they may have sold a few more Battle Droids, Droidekas and Gungans.  Had they gotten that Naboo Starfighter in there when they should've, maybe that stupid Ric Olie and Naboo Pilot wouldn't have clogged the pegs quite as badly for the next 7-8 months.  Now they're going to hurt the sales of the MTT's respective mini-rig vehicle by not having that at retail simultaneously to the MTT.  Hasbro is just constantly hurting themselves on both ends with their sloppy organizing and managing of the line.  I'm sure there's outside factors that play into these delays far more than we can imagine, but still, Hasbro has lost the benefit of the doubt when it comes to problems with the line due to their poor decisions.  I blame them - not striking Chinese workers, Lucasfilm, or whoever else they'd like to shift the blame to.

Star Wars Universe / Re: 'Star Wars' in 3-D?
« on: August 27, 2012, 05:33 AM »
While I still don't care much for the PT, I think it's probably smart to push Ep. 2 & 3 closer together like that, after that embarrassing TPM flop earlier this year.  As was mentioned, I think it'll help give the marketing and merchandise a nice boost heading into the holidays too.  I think AOTC and ROTS will probably lend themselves to 3D conversion/viewing quite a bit better than TPM did as well, not to mention they obviously lack Jar Jar and are therefore far less despised.  So I think they'll do a little better than TPM did in 3D, and ROTS can build off AOTC's momentum a bit.

I'm far more excited to see what's in store the following year for the OT though.  I think if they're really smart, they'll release them all within a few months of eachother to really get a nice Star Wars buzz going, across both box office and merchandise.  I rather liked the original idea of spreading them out annually so Hasbro could really market the shizz out of each movie and fill in some nice gaps with lesser known characters, or big ships, etc. behind the push of each movie's box office, but we saw how terrible that turned out for TPM, so I don't see that as a very viable option anymore, unfortunately.

It's still beyond my comprehension that Hasbro didn't get this beast out during the (failed) TPM 3D push.  Holding this non-iconic vehicle back so there's no decent marketing push to help boost it's sales along, while it's saddled with such a hefty price tag is a recipe for disaster - even moreso if it doesn't make it to all the regular B&M stores.  Further, Hasbro trying to coerce collectors into buying this by suggesting it's ultimate sales numbers will likely dictate the potential fate of a Jabba's Sail Barge being made in the future just sucks.  That's hardly an apples to apples comparison, if that's really what Hasbro will be basing it's decision on.  The Barge is a far more iconic vehicle, plus it's from the OT and is the basis for a major plot point's setting (with far more "play-value" built in).  The BMF's sales from a couple years back would be a far more valid comparison (or even the AT-AT's).  Considering these two are coming back to retail again next year, along with Boba's Slave-1, I think Hasbro must know that iconic OT vehicles are a far surer sale than what they're going to be seeing with this MTT.

With that in mind, I'm not too worried about nabbing this vehicle just yet, and will probably wait to get one until they drop into double digits, at least.  Hopefully Pete's concern isn't validated, and I don't get burned for my patience.  I definitely agree that the interactivity with the future mini-rig vehicle is an added plus for this set, but again, foresight and better planning would've really helped, as releasing the mini-rig the year AFTER the MTT's release (I'm assuming) is just flat out stupid beyond words.  Unless, of course, these MTTs are still shelf-warming next year, which is certainly a possibility.

The Clone Wars '08-'13 / Re: The Future of the Clone Wars Toy Line?
« on: August 27, 2012, 04:27 AM »
With those rumblings from Hasbro out of C6, it sounds like the CW series may not even make it all the way through this upcoming season, which would mean the nearing of the end of this line.  While I'm sure there's plenty of CW and animated figure fans that will be bummed to have that happen, personally, I'm excited at the prospect of one less sub-line of figures to chase down - especially when we've been told their quality will be diminishing, and on top of the obvious fact that they can't even currently be found at retail.  One less headache for me, and hopefully the eventual demise of this line will help Hasbro to re-focus their efforts on the regular movie line(s), as it's obvious they've been spreading their resources and planning a little too thin of late.

Granted, I still wish they'd go back and wrap up the handful of remaining figures from the prior Gendy Tarkovsky (sp?) Clone Wars micro series.  That one just seemed a lot more simple and fun to me.  I already know the answer to that request though.

The Vintage Collection / Re: Celebration VI
« on: August 27, 2012, 03:52 AM »
No offense, and I don't mean to single you out, but this is a big part of the problem.  Why do collectors buy one of every figure, or worse, three?

So let's see if I have this straight:
Force Guy is blaming Pete Fett and completist collectors for our current toy woes
Collectors (completist or otherwise) are blaming Hasbro
Hasbro is blaming Lucasfilm
Lucasfilm is blaming...?  They should be blaming the Maker for that Jar-Jar infested atrocity they just worsened by putting in 3D.

I think the most important question that no one seems to be addressing is who are the kids blaming?  2/3rds of these toys are aimed at them, after all.  Or are they really as completely content and satisfied with their Star Wars goodies as Hasbro's been suggesting.  Personally, I think everyone's full of crap.  DDP and Hasbro know full well that this is hardly Lucasfilm's fault, just as Force Guy knows this obviously has next to nothing to do with completists.  Seeing as how few completists there are anymore these days, that's asinine to suggest they have much, if any, pull on the line's development, character selection, and marketing.  Sure, lots of people buy lots of garbage, and yes, I understand that it's especially confusing to some when others purchase items they don't particularly like, but hey - that's collecting.  To each their own.  I DESPISE soft goods, but I'm still buying multiples of that furball of a red tee-pee Royal Guard in a few months.  I blame all you articulation junkies for that garbage (and the dozens of other soft-good fiascos that came before the ERG).  Now that feels better - I got to blame someone for something too!  As an aside on completists, if the handful of them still out there upsets anyone now, just wait until the B-A-D line hits again next year when completists will multiply ten-fold (or more) as far more "normal" people are forced to buy dozens of figures they don't want just to complete their Build-a-Droids.  There's going to be a LOT more blame to go around when that starts happening!

To be honest, I'm glad there were problems with figures showing up at retail this year.

While I certainly understand your point, and have also greatly enjoyed watching Hasbro attempt to squirm through the bitchslap that retail has recently handed them, I would've probably put that a bit differently, or at least more tactfully, considering your current surroundings and the fact that everyone else here is certainly not quite so pleased.  My wallet and wife are certainly less pleased that I have to pay 2-10x retail on eBay to get most of these silly little plastic 4" treasures that I really don't need.

That said, I've got to agree with some of the sentiments above, that based on Hasbro's early showings for the 2013 MH line, with a 100% overlap on their small test sample, they're clearly not learning from their mistakes.  Even if things were quite far along in the 2013 line's planning, the TPM fiasco should've necesitated some hasty re-arranging of things.  That, on top of the fairly uninteresting character selections in the first two B-A-D waves, gets me even further worried that Hasbro's not going to be able to get this retail disaster turned around.  At least not until the OT hits 3D in 2014, when I'm assuming the core fanbase (old farts) will be briefly reinvigorated.  Of course by then, we'll be looking at $15 figures with 5 POA across the board, so who knows how bad the outlook might be at that point.

The Clone Wars '08-'13 / Re: Recent Clone Wars Finds/Purchases
« on: August 24, 2012, 04:28 AM »
Found my first new CW figures in nearly 8 months last week at Target: Aayla, Obi & Rep. Comm. Boss (no Rex).  Saw the same lame Obi-Wan at a couple more Targets after that, so apparently that wave finally hit pretty well that day.  That Aayla's just a repack of the figure from a couple years ago, right?

Other Collectibles / Re: Playskool Jedi Force
« on: August 24, 2012, 04:04 AM »
For anyone still interested in this line, I spotted the new Vader's TIE a couple weeks ago at Target - I think it's new, anyway.  I didn't notice any new figure 2-packs though, and can't even recall what's still on tap for this line at this point, if anything.  Anyone else remember?  I've been grabbing the OT pieces from this line, much like its GH predecessor.  Makes for good play fodder for the nephews when they come over.  Does anyone recall if this TIE is the same as the prior one in the GH line?  I should probably figure that out before I mistakenly nab a duplicate ship here.

LEGO / Re: Lego Mini Planet/Ship/Figure Sets
« on: August 24, 2012, 03:49 AM »
I've seen all three new sets for Series 2 at Target and WM over the past couple weeks now.  They had loads of them, so I'm sure they'll be easy enough to find in the coming weeks for most everyone interested.  I like the mini ships, but could honestly do without the planets myself.

The Vintage Collection / Re: Celebration VI
« on: August 24, 2012, 03:45 AM »
I'm not too surprised by the lack of anything new today from Hasbro, but I'm assuming they're holding at least a wave or two and a couple interesting nuggets on the line for their presentation tomorrow, ala SDCC (if not actual figures in the display case, then at least pix or a verbal list).  With them due to skip NYCC this year, I'll be pretty disappointed if they don't mention anything new at CVI and we're forced to wait all the way 'til next February's TF.

Wow - kudos to Jayson for getting a pretty good answer.

DDP admitting that stores like Big Lots, Tuesday Morning, Five Below, etc... are going to be the beneficiaries of these waves is very interesting.

Does that presumably include the usual suspects of TJ Maxx/Marshalls/Ross?  I hope so, since I don't have any of those other stores near me.  I could do without anymore figure dumps at Kohl's however, since they're far from a "bargain" there, and are usually quite a bit more than Target, WM, etc.

I just know him from the inordinate ammount of time he would take photographing everything at a Hasbro display.

Those of us who have been perusing the boards long enough likely remember him better for a particular incident involving a Toyfair Vader and "camera battery".

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