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Re: Possible VTSC Wave 2?
« Reply #75 on: April 23, 2006, 01:04 PM »
I would buy a Jawa or two if they have arm and leg articulation.  Waist, elbow, knee and wrist articulation would be nice, but I don't knnow how easy it is for them to do that on a small figure.  A cloth cloak and a blaster would be expected.  The Bespin Luke from Saga and OTC would be good if they retooled it without the action feature and lame button.  Some added articulation would be good, too.  A lit saber, an unlight saber that can attach to his belt and a working holster for his blaster are must haves.  The Leia with a removable helmet and poncho along with a working holster for her blaster and super articulation would make this figure perfect.  The Hoth Stormtrooper needs to be s.a. and come with a cloth skirt, and long and short blaster rifles.  I really don't need the Vader unless he is different somehow.  

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Re: Possible VTSC Wave 2?
« Reply #76 on: April 23, 2006, 02:25 PM »
Theoretical question:

If you're Hasbro, and are preparing a retro vintage Death Star Commander for release, do you call it by it's original name of Death Squad Commander?  Or do you go with the more-PC Death Star Commander name?

This will come as a shock to many of you, I'm sure, but man, I'm an idiot.

For some unknown reason, I've been under the impression for years that when they changed the Death Squad Commander's name, they changed it to "Death Star Commander." 

While doing some (what I like to call) "research" just now, I discovered that there was never any "Death Star Commander" at all, and the name they switched to was "Star Destroyer Commander."

I've been wrong, all this time!  I don't know why I thought that.  Must have either read it somewhere, or my brain played a little trick on me or something.  And, the figure's never been one of my favorites, and I've never gotten into vintage carded collecting, so I guess I've just never paid that much attention. 

For what it's worth, though, I still think "Death Star Commander" is a better name than either of the two real ones.

So I guess the more-appropriate question would be, if you're Hasbro, do you keep it as Death Squad Commander, or go with Star Destroyer Commander?  (DSC - SW and ESB cards; SDC - ESB and ROTJ cards)

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Re: Possible VTSC Wave 2?
« Reply #77 on: April 23, 2006, 04:38 PM »
I'd hope that they would call it Death Squad Commander - but if I were a betting man, and knowing how Hasbro works, I'd guess that they go with Star Destroyer Commander.

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Re: Possible VTSC Wave 2?
« Reply #78 on: April 23, 2006, 06:52 PM »
If this turns out to be true, I'll be certainly justified in not armybuilding with that sub-par Saga Snowtrooper.
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Re: Possible VTSC Wave 2?
« Reply #79 on: April 23, 2006, 07:14 PM »
OK as a bit of information...

On the case (box) that I got from Target, there is no Mention of the "Wave 1" language as has been rumored on the Net.  I'll get a picture of it if I get a chance.

IT is a Target specific box.  It has Target stores printed on it, with DCPI info.


The interesting part is that I have box #2944 of 3200.  So I wonder if that means that Target got 6400 Biker Scouts...the 2944 is in Marker, the 3200 is printed.

I still hope Wave 2 is true.  I'd love to dump that Bespin Luke from a few years ago.

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Re: Possible VTSC Wave 2?
« Reply #80 on: April 23, 2006, 08:03 PM »
On the case (box) that I got from Target, there is no Mention of the "Wave 1" language as has been rumored on the Net.  I'll get a picture of it if I get a chance.

I'll save you the trouble - one of the guys in the MN area posted it a while back:



If you notice the side of the box it indicates that this is carton 1092 of 3200. So I am not sure if Target only is getting 3200 cases of these toys or not.

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Re: Possible VTSC Wave 2?
« Reply #81 on: April 23, 2006, 09:51 PM »
The 3200 is the initial order placed by Target Corp. so 3200 cases were manufactured. If Target places another order for these, which they probably have, the "out of"number will reflect that. Such a low number would mean that each store would at most get 2 cases if every store gets them. I worked for Target for 3 years and never undestood their ordering.

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Re: Possible VTSC Wave 2?
« Reply #82 on: April 23, 2006, 10:23 PM »
I could care less about some dumb Jawa...but here's my concern: why would Hasbro rerelease the crappy Snowtrooper if they were going to go ahead and make an SA one later that year? makes no sense...
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Re: Possible VTSC Wave 2?
« Reply #83 on: April 23, 2006, 11:18 PM »
I could care less about some dumb Jawa...but here's my concern: why would Hasbro rerelease the crappy Snowtrooper if they were going to go ahead and make an SA one later that year? makes no sense...

Because it cost them very little since the tooling was all already there - and we gobbled them up, and THEN word came out that a SA VTSC Snowtrooper was on the horizon (theoretically) which we'll gobble up as well.

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Re: Possible VTSC Wave 2?
« Reply #84 on: April 23, 2006, 11:54 PM »
I could care less about some dumb Jawa...but here's my concern: why would Hasbro rerelease the crappy Snowtrooper if they were going to go ahead and make an SA one later that year? makes no sense...

Why are we buying a snowtrooper on the new Saga cards when we saw a snowtrooper on the old Saga cards?  Because they put it out there for us and we buy it.  Improving it, giving it great articulation and a snazzy cardback means it's "new".  Ergo, like good little sheep (myself included) we all go baaaaaaaa. 

As for the Jawa, well, my hope is they do a vinyl cape version and no cloth cape version.  Sure, it wouldn't be as much fun or near as cool to army build with as a well done cloth caped version, but I'd prefer the vintage nod myself.  As to why they're doing it, simply because it was one of the first twelve.  The more pressing question is whether the light up eyes will be accomplished in a manner similar to the first POTF2 version or something a little better and electronic a la the later versions of the electronic R2-D2s. 

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For some unknown reason, I've been under the impression for years that when they changed the Death Squad Commander's name, they changed it to "Death Star Commander." 

While doing some (what I like to call) "research" just now, I discovered that there was never any "Death Star Commander" at all, and the name they switched to was "Star Destroyer Commander."

Jeez, I've no idea if I've just been using a wrong name all along as well.  Probably is the case for me too :-[  Thanks for pointing it out.  I'd still really love to see this one done, whatever they call it, to round out the first 12, as I've said numerous times before. 

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Re: Possible VTSC Wave 2?
« Reply #85 on: April 24, 2006, 12:00 AM »
Hasbro ALWAYS puts out something better after you've bought some flawed version of a character.  It used to make me so mad, especially during the AOTC line; a fig was rendered obsolete in mere months.  That's why I've gotten into this habit in the last few years of just holding off on certain figures.  The Snowtrooper, for one, and Wedge, certainly, who one day will get a figure worthy of him.

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Re: Possible VTSC Wave 2?
« Reply #86 on: April 24, 2006, 12:33 AM »
I was just thinking what would be some good choices for a Wave 6 and 7 in 2007

What I have below is what I feel are the ultimate versions of the figures released, these cannot be surpassed outside of adding an additional joint or possible hit/miss soft goods

Star Wars
Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) 2004 VOTC
Chewbacca 2004 VOTC
Luke Skywalker 2004 VOTC
Princess Leia Organa 2004 VOTC 
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi 2004 VOTC
Darth Vader 2004 VOTC
Han Solo 2004 VOTC
See-Threepio (C-3PO) 2004 VOTC
Stormtrooper / Imperial Stormtrooper    2004 VOTC
Death Squad Commander / Star Destroyer Commander
Jawa Rumored Wave 2006
Sand People / Sandpeople / Tusken Raider (Sand People) 2006 VTSC
Greedo 2006 VTSC
Hammerhead 2006 Standard TSC
Snaggletooth
Walrus Man 
Arfive-Defour (R5-D4)   2006 Standard TSC
Death Star Droid
Luke Skywalker (X-Wing Pilot) / Luke Skywalker (X-Wing Fighter Pilot) 2006 VTSC
Power Droid
Boba Fett
 
THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
Bossk (Bounty Hunter) 2003 SAGA
Bespin Security Guard (I)
FX-7 (Medical Droid) POTJ Version
Han Solo (Hoth Outfit) / Han Solo (Hoth Battle Gear)
IG-88 (Bounty Hunter)   POTJ Version
Imperial Stormtrooper (Hoth Battle Gear) Rumored 2006 VSTC
Lando Calrissian 2004 VOTC
Luke Skywalker (Bespin Fatigues) Rumored 2006 VSTC
Leia Organa (Bespin Gown) / Princess Leia Organa (Bespin Gown) 2004 OTC
Rebel Soldier (Hoth Battle Gear) 
Yoda / Yoda The Jedi Master 2004 VOTC
Dengar 2003 SAGA
Han Solo (Bespin Outfit) / Han Solo (Cloud City Outfit)
Lobot / Lobot (Lando's Aid)   2004 OTC
Ugnaught 
AT-AT Driver 2006 Standard TSC
Leia / Leia Organa / Princess Leia Organa (Hoth Outfit)
Imperial Commander
Rebel Commander
2-1B/ Two-Onebee (2-1B)/ Too-Onebee (2-1B) 
AT-AT Commander/ General Veers 2006 Standard TSC
Luke Skywalker (Hoth Battle Gear) / Luke Skywalker (Hoth Outfit)
Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) (With Sensorscope) / R2-D2 (With Periscope) 2006 Standard TSC 
Bespin Security Guard (II)
Cloud Car Pilot / (Twin Pod) Cloud Car Pilot 2004 OTC 
4-LOM
See-Threepio (C-3PO) With Removable limbs
Imperial TIE Fighter Pilot 2003 SAGA
Zuckuss
 
RETURN OF THE JEDI
Admiral Ackbar
Lando Calrissian (Skiff Guard Disguise) 2003 SAGA
Nien Nunb
Bib Fortuna 2006 Standard TSC 
Biker Scout 2006 VTSC
Chief Chirpa 2006 Standard TSC 
Emperor's Royal Guard EpIII Release
Gamorrean Guard
General Madine 2004 OTC
Klaatu
Logray (Ewok Medicine Man)
Luke Skywalker (Jedi Knight Outfit) SAGA 2003
Princess Leia Organa (Boushh Disguise) / Boushh 2006 Standard TSC 
Rebel Commando
Ree-Yees
Squid Head
Weequay 
8D8
Klaatu (In Skiff Guard Outfit) / Klaatu (Skiff Guard Outfit)
Nikto
The Emperor Sith Evolutions/EpIII 
AT-ST Driver
B-Wing Pilot
Han Solo (In Trench Coat) 2006 VTSC
Princess Leia Organa (In Combat Poncho) Rumored 2006 VTSC
Pruneface
Rancor Keeper POTF2 Version
Teebo
Wicket W. Warrick
Lumat
Paploo
 
POWER OF THE FORCE
Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) With Pop Up Lightsaber 
A-Wing Pilot
Han Solo (In Carbonite Chamber)   2006 Standard TSC
Imperial Dignitary
Imperial Gunner 2006 Standard TSC 
Luke Skywalker (Imperial Stormtrooper Outfit) 
Anakin Skywalker 
Amanaman POTJ Version
Barada
EV-9D9 
Lando Calrissian (General Pilot) 2003 SAGA Version
Luke Skywalker (In Battle Poncho) 
Romba
Warok 
Yak Face
 
 
 
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Re: Possible VTSC Wave 2?
« Reply #87 on: April 24, 2006, 12:42 AM »
Trying to keep things separate...IMHO here's who could possibly be left

The reason I left Boba in is that I could see a rerelease in ESB paint scheme instead of the ROTJ version

Star Wars
Death Squad Commander / Star Destroyer Commander
Snaggletooth
Walrus Man 
Death Star Droid
Power Droid
Boba Fett
 
THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
Bespin Security Guard (I)
Han Solo (Hoth Outfit) / Han Solo (Hoth Battle Gear)
Rebel Soldier (Hoth Battle Gear) 
Han Solo (Bespin Outfit) / Han Solo (Cloud City Outfit)
Ugnaught 
Leia / Leia Organa / Princess Leia Organa (Hoth Outfit)
Imperial Commander
Rebel Commander
2-1B/ Two-Onebee (2-1B)/ Too-Onebee (2-1B) 
Luke Skywalker (Hoth Battle Gear) / Luke Skywalker (Hoth Outfit)
Bespin Security Guard (II)
4-LOM
See-Threepio (C-3PO) With Removable limbs
Zuckuss
 
RETURN OF THE JEDI
Admiral Ackbar
Nien Nunb
Gamorrean Guard
Klaatu
Logray (Ewok Medicine Man)
Rebel Commando
Ree-Yees
Squid Head
Weequay 
8D8
Klaatu (In Skiff Guard Outfit) / Klaatu (Skiff Guard Outfit)
Nikto
AT-ST Driver
B-Wing Pilot
Pruneface
Teebo
Wicket W. Warrick
Lumat
Paploo
 
POWER OF THE FORCE
Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) With Pop Up Lightsaber 
A-Wing Pilot
Imperial Dignitary
Luke Skywalker (Imperial Stormtrooper Outfit) 
Anakin Skywalker 
Barada
EV-9D9 
Luke Skywalker (In Battle Poncho) 
Romba
Warok 
Yak Face
 
Of these...I'd could possibly see 3 more waves of figures, of which I hope include:

Wave 6

Death Squad Commander
Walrus Man
Han Solo (Bespin Outfit)
Admiral Ackbar
Luke Skywalker (Imperial Stormtrooper)

Wave 7

Han Solo (Hoth Outfit)
Luke Skywalker (In Battle Poncho)
Princess Leia (Hoth Outfit)
Wicket W. Warrick
Boba Fett (ESB Deco)

Wave 8

Anakin Skywalker
Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) With Pop Up Lightsaber 
Snaggletooth
Gamorrean Guard
Luke Skywalker (Hoth)

Beyond these, its a lot of Jabba's aliens that probably won't sell and would be better served as being resculpts in the Saga line

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Re: Possible VTSC Wave 2?
« Reply #88 on: April 24, 2006, 01:23 AM »
That sounds about right, Scott.  I definitely think there's a limit as to how obscure you can get at $10.  And as relatively limited as the potential for this line is (ongoing), that's why I think (as I've stated before) Hasbro might be willing to drift into pseudo-vintage territory (OT figs never made in the vintage days, PT characters).

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Re: Possible VTSC Wave 2?
« Reply #89 on: April 24, 2006, 02:17 AM »
I love the idea of OT never made on the Vintage line. The figures I want to see on Vintage Cards are.

SW

Grand Moff Tarkin
Stormtrooper Han
Dr. Evazan
Sandtrooper
Biggs Darklighter

ESB

Spirit Obi-Wan
Lando Calrissian (Smuggler's Outfit)
Admiral Piett

ROTJ

Wedge Antilles
Leia (Slave)
Darth Vader (Removable Helmet)
Spirit Yoda
Leia (Ewok Celebration)
Y-Wing Pilot
Mon Mothma

that about all of the main characters they left out a long time ago at kenner (hasbro) far far away.
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