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I was wondering if anyone had a good way to split a torso in half.  I've tried boiling, scoring and using needle nose pliars, but ended up haveing to dremel the body in half, luckily I only needed the legs.  But on my next victim, I need his torso, so I can't mutilate it.  I'm trying to split a Kamino Escape Jengo Fett.  If anyone has any ideas, please let me know...I'm kinda at a road block here.

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Re: Splitting a torso in two...
« Reply #1 on: February 2, 2006, 07:27 PM »
I just split a Kamino Jango Fett a few days ago.  What I did was soak it in a cup of hot water for 3 or 4 minutes, pop out the arms, insert a pair of needle nosed pliers into the shoulder hole (make sure they're closed when you insert them), and then open up the pliers to pop the torso apart.  This should work fine with little to no damage to the figure. 

If you are nervous, you can score the seams of the figure with your X-Acto knife.  Gently cut along the seams of the torso so that they will be easier to split apart.
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Re: Splitting a torso in two...
« Reply #2 on: February 2, 2006, 09:43 PM »
Gregorbian is right...his method will work perfectly. Kamino Jango pops apart pretty easily.

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Re: Splitting a torso in two...
« Reply #3 on: February 2, 2006, 11:52 PM »
You can also drill the center post out with a dremmel prior to using pliers and it should break apart even easier.
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Re: Splitting a torso in two...
« Reply #4 on: February 3, 2006, 12:05 AM »
I use a modelling knife to cut torso's in half what I do is find where the seams are and then get the knife and start to push down into the seam and with a little effort the seam will give way and then you slowly go around the torso till it's completely apart.

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Re: Splitting a torso in two...
« Reply #5 on: February 3, 2006, 01:17 AM »
Funny, in all my years of customizing this isn't a method I know how to do.

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Re: Splitting a torso in two...
« Reply #6 on: February 3, 2006, 02:50 AM »
This is something a lot of people debate what works and what doesn't Dre, but my method's worked 90% of the time...  I do break a torso now and then though, but I know of no perfect technique every time...  When you work at scoring the seam, it leaves marks I don't care for so I tend to prefer a break with needlenose pliars.

I'll walk you through what I use, and how I do the technique as best I can...  As always too, if you're looking for some good explanations on basic (and more advanced too) techniques, check out www.FFURG.com because there's tutorials on our site that are just there to help including separating figures.

That said.....

I bought a cheap chinese made set of detail work pliars at Sears.  They're a must-have.  They're sturdy, but about half the price of a US made craftsman set.  You can't get them replaced like the craftsman ones though, so when you break 'em you buy a new set, but they're cheap enough I suggest having a set even if you have a craftsman set.  These are good for your dirty work, so to speak.

The set has like two wire cutters of different head styles, some gripper needle-nose, etc...  But the set I use most is the LONG thin needlenose pliars, they're best for torso splits because they give you leverage for yanking torso's apart, but they also are long and tapered, and very thin, so what I often try first is sliding the figure's arm hole down the pliars and watching for any stressing of the plastic...  Sometimes it'll break clean as can be just by doing this, sometimes not.

Now, here's the deal...

Step 1:  Boil & pop figure completely (this is just what I do, if you don't need the legs popped so be it...  I pop everything so I'm workign with a clean slate)

Step 2:  Take the torso (now head and armless).  Depending on how thin the figure is, I sometimes dremel the post in the center of the torso.  The post that helps hold it together.  At times this is fused itself and makes a pop hard to accomplish cleanly, other times it's just because I can fit the pliars down in easier INTO the torso because there's no post. 

If you wanted, you could do this with every figure but be careful as the friction from the dremel bit can distort the neck hole while you're trying to dremel-cut the post inside...  I use a grinding bit to do this btw, it cuts through plastic with less melting.

Step 3:  As I noted, I often slide the torso down the pliars (they're closed btw), and slowly watch for stressing at USUALLY the middle-back, or around the arm-holes.  As I said as well, sometimes a figure pops apart just by doing this.  I popped something the other day (forget now) and this is what happened.  Clean as can be pop.  Other figures are tougher though...  For instance, a female Jedi Stass Allie's torso became problematic for me at one time.  Was a real bitch to cleanly get her torso apart due to the thinness of the plastic.

Step 4:  So if it doesn't break cleanly and you're just not lucky with above, you can slide the pliars into the neck hole...  If you left the post in tact and didn't cut it, I tend to try to have dremeled the post area so the pliars are wedged into the cut between the two post halves.  This acts as a brace, and a good center point for popping the figure apart.  Case in point, I did this with the Saga Endor Rebel Soldier because he has a thinner torso, and I had to cut the post.

Step 5:  Once you get the pliars inside the torso sufficiently (I usually try to get them as far down itno the neckhole as possible for leverage), now it's time to yank the figure apart...  What I generally do, since parts will fly, is I try to cover the torso with a rag, and I do this kneeling on the floor...  I YANK the pliars apart hard.  I even build up to it with 3 breaths (laugh all you want, but timing this so you yank this open quickly and with good force is important).

Yanking the pliars open is the tough part, and this is more or less the moment of truth.  If done right I've got a great success rate with very few misses.  Breaks happen, but they're rare and usually because I didn't sufficiently weaken the figure by cutting the post or some such when I knew I should have.  Live and learn.

Now, I will say that I've gotten where I can just judge if a figure will break by me shoving the pliars into the arm socket forcefully too.  This has worked for me at times... 

I'd give cracking some torso's like this a go by practicing on cheap figures.  Saga Endor Rebels are a tougher nut to crack so after you try maybe a POTF2 POnda Baba, I'd give a Saga Endor Rebel a go...  Just practice a little, you'll likely have a use for the parts anyway.

Hope this is of some help to you though.
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Re: Splitting a torso in two...
« Reply #7 on: February 3, 2006, 10:11 AM »
I've always found that using an xacto knife to slice the post inside the chest cleanly is more effective because then you can still glue it back together afterward. Just slip the blade in throught the neck hole and apply nice constant even pressure. It will seem like nothing's happening at first, and then it will slice through.
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Re: Splitting a torso in two...
« Reply #8 on: February 3, 2006, 03:39 PM »
When I attach a pair of legs to a torso,  I don't split it up the middle- I just cut the figs in half and superglue the torso and legs together. I don't really understand what you're trying to do, though...
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Re: Splitting a torso in two...
« Reply #9 on: February 3, 2006, 04:53 PM »
You know, I've done customs since the POTF2 line was considered new, and I completely forgot about using an x-acto to cut thru the center peg.  That's gonna be my next trick tonight.  Thanks to everyone that took a few minutes to lend a hand.  It's appreciated.

Thanks again

Dre

P.S. I'll update on how the custom is going once I get the ball rolling.

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Re: Splitting a torso in two...
« Reply #10 on: February 3, 2006, 06:09 PM »
This is one aspect of Customizing i just plain suck at. I break every friggin torso I try to crack >:( Now I just use scews and cylindrical Pieces of Plastic to fashion Pegs to fit the appendages onto the Torso I'm using.

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Re: Splitting a torso in two...
« Reply #11 on: February 3, 2006, 06:26 PM »
If only Star Wars figs where put together like Joes life would be much easier, But the Sculpts would suck.

You mean suck more ? ;)

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Re: Splitting a torso in two...***Updated with WIP pics!!***
« Reply #12 on: February 3, 2006, 09:37 PM »
OK folks...Here is the fruits of my labor...so far.

Once again, I want to thank everyone who gave me advice along the way!!

First up...the work place...just a mis-mash of  parts that started the whole thing...note the mangled Boba torso   ;D



Next is my Mandolorian Monkey...his arms hung down to his knees...that wasn't acceptable.




This picture kinda sucks...but I gave him a lower left Saga Boba arrm and upper Jango
the right is all Kamino Jango, minus the thing that had the grappling hook thingy on it.



And if you didn't notice on the first coupla pictures...I added a couple of new pouches so it woulnd't look exactly like Bobas belt area.




So...what does everyone think.  I've been a member here for not too long, but have never posted pictures.  Comments, question, gripes...let me have them!!!

Oh, and Gregorbian, the Kamino Jango Torso fit the Sage Boba legs pretty nicely.

Thanks for all the help again guys...I'll keep this one updated as it progresses.

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Re: Splitting a torso in two...***Updated with WIP pics!!***
« Reply #13 on: February 4, 2006, 03:28 AM »
It's shaping up pretty good so far.  You're going for Jango or Boba?  Or a wholely new Mandalorian?

I always sorta gasp for breath when I see XD figures cut up (I collect them along with SW) but they make probably the best fodder out there.  Their sculpts closest match the Star Wars line while BBI's detail surpasses Hasbro so limbs tend to not blend in as well using the Elite Force line.

The XD line looks great though,r eally nice work...  Those OMG Para's just started shipping but they have just that much more fodder to use.

Looking good so far Dre, keep us posted on it.
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Re: Splitting a torso in two...***Updated with WIP pics!!***
« Reply #14 on: February 4, 2006, 08:12 AM »
I'm still kinda at a loss of what I'm actually going to create.  I don't know if I want to go with Ghez Hokan from the 1st Republic Commando book, or just go with a random Mando warrior.  I'm also thinking about swappng the current arms out and replacing them with a SA Clone Troopers arms, as to get more articulation.  Does anyone know if the Jango torso and the arms are very compatiable?  Thanks for the comments Jesse.

Comments, questions, gripesare always welcome.


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Dre
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