I'm afraid there were no crotches involved. That's the seller I got my Veers from, but he's jumped his shipping $10 since I bought. Can't blame the guy, his ebay fees are a lot lower that way, though he could get in trouble for it too. I will say he shipped really fast, I had mine pretty much within a week and well packed, with a low value so no customs fees for me. I've no complaints with him. I see other familiar ebay userids as well.