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Re: Your Opinions of George Lucas
« Reply #45 on: August 6, 2010, 11:25 AM »
I like how they have a picture of him and the caption is "George Lucas and Friend".  Did they not know that was Steven Speilberg?
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Re: Your Opinions of George Lucas
« Reply #46 on: October 28, 2011, 12:02 PM »
I noticed the "People vs. George Lucas" documentary must have been released on DVD this week, as it was on the new release endcap at Target.  Is anyone planning on renting this and/or picking it up?  IGN gives it a pretty good review here:

http://dvd.ign.com/articles/121/1210666p1.html

Although I don't think I need to own it, I wouldn't mind seeing it.

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Re: Your Opinions of George Lucas
« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2011, 02:51 AM »
I saw it at a Film Festival here in Denver last fall. I actually really enjoyed it and thought it managed to do a pretty good job of presenting all sides, and it is fairly humorous. I'd recommend it to everyone here, it is certainly worth watching.
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Re: Your Opinions of George Lucas
« Reply #48 on: October 29, 2011, 07:16 AM »
I had breakfast across from the guy on my honeymoon with my wife in Walt Disney World's Grand Floridian in January 2001. Seemed like a good guy up close. I couldn't bother him as he ate his breakfast with on of the daughters and Jett. Nobody went up to him the entire time except, of course, the waitress and it's not like they had him roped off or security was standing next to him. I woulda just thanked him for a childhood full of memories and wished him luck on Episode II. He checked out that day. Waitress said he was the nicest guy and had eaten in the restaurant, 1900 Park Fare, every day of their vacation.
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Re: Your Opinions of George Lucas
« Reply #49 on: May 30, 2012, 12:57 PM »
"People vs. George Lucas" is on Netflix and I watched it last night, I thought it was awesome and really conveys the whole story rather well.  The movie really focuses on the SEs and TPM and not so much on the other two Prequels or the Clone Wars. 

I'm not a huge Lucas hater by any stretch.  I don't necessarily like all of the changes that were made from the OT originals but I really don't care that much. 

I still hold out hope for more movies down the road and I think someday it will happen (ala Abrams Star Trek) maybe not for a while though

As was said in this thread and in the movie, kids love the Prequels, both of my boys favorite SW movie is AOTC and it isn't even close.  I again am not a huge Prequel hater, I still prefer the OT and from a space standpoint have decided to stop collecting Prequel crap but I'll still enjoy them
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Re: Your Opinions of George Lucas
« Reply #50 on: June 1, 2012, 05:50 PM »
"People vs. George Lucas" is on Netflix and I watched it last night, I thought it was awesome and really conveys the whole story rather well.  The movie really focuses on the SEs and TPM and not so much on the other two Prequels or the Clone Wars.

Always wanted to see that.  I remember watching the trailers and thinking it looked pretty interesting.  We don't have Netflix, but might have to track it down at some point.

Sort of related, I saw this article at IGN today regarding Lucas and his "retirement".  Sounds like he's hired Kathleen Kennedy (from all the Spielberg movies, etc.) as co-chair of Lucasfilm, and he is supposed to be phased out over the next couple years (we'll see).  Who knows if much will really change, but it is interesting what this could mean to the future of SW stuff:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/06/01/whos-replacing-george-lucas-at-lucasfilm

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Re: Your Opinions of George Lucas
« Reply #51 on: June 8, 2012, 08:54 AM »
I saw Ppl v GL the other day on Netflix also.  I loved the clips of fan films they included and made sure that there was far more love than hate.

Two questions:
I can't recall any changes to Empire Strikes Back that caused any kind of fan backlash.  Certainly nothing like Docking Bay Jabba, Han Shooting 2nd, Disco/Jazz Jabba's palace remix, new Ewok celebration song...  Were there any bad additions to Empire?

Did the movie end with the conclusion that if George Lucas released the original Theatrical versions of episodes IV, V & VI on Blu Ray the fans would be satisfied?
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Re: Your Opinions of George Lucas
« Reply #52 on: June 8, 2012, 12:07 PM »
The Wilhelm (justified) and Vader's "shuttle" line (much ado about nothing) come to mind.  To me, I don't loathe the SE's but I just don't understand why he just doesn't relent and release the originals as alternate discs.  He'd make gigantic bank and win the good will of many. 

I don't get a lot of the hate, but I just can't understand the stubbornness either.

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Re: Your Opinions of George Lucas
« Reply #53 on: June 8, 2012, 12:40 PM »
From what they say in the movie that they destroyed the original films when they made the SEs and can't go back. 

I know they released the Original Editions in 2006 as a 2nd disc (transfers from the Laserdisc set) and I have those and for now, that is all I need.  Sure they aren't super duper cleaned up and all that jazz but I don't really care that much about any of that stuff.

They neglected to say that in the movie

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Re: Your Opinions of George Lucas
« Reply #54 on: June 11, 2012, 09:28 AM »
I can't imagine that the original elements have been destroyed.  That is a total LFL excuse.  They do mention that in the film.

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Re: Your Opinions of George Lucas
« Reply #55 on: July 3, 2012, 10:26 AM »
Just read this editorial this morning, thought it made some good points:

http://www.actionfigureinsider.com/ottertorials/2012/06/29/george-lucas-was-right/

I also have my problems with the prequels, but after introducing our daughter (turning five next week) to the majority of the Saga (minus a chunk of ROTS, and a few other scenes elsewhere) - you really are reminded that these movies are for kids.  Although she does prefer the original trilogy (her favorite seems to alternate between ANH and ROTJ for the most part), she likes the prequels and CW stuff as well, and I don't think kids see the problems that we do when viewing them (although she does get a little bored during all the senate mumbo jumbo in TPM).  Interesting point about how comics decided to age with the reader, and how the majority of their audience is 30-50 year olds, but that is another topic altogether.

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Re: Your Opinions of George Lucas
« Reply #56 on: July 4, 2012, 02:29 AM »
I finally got around to renting People v. Lucas recently and found it pretty entertaining, especially since I'm of the older generation who grew up on the originals and have a tough time stomaching the prequels.  I don't know if I necessarily agree that these flicks "are made for kids" though, at least not 2.5 of the 3 OT movies.  Much of the prequels, perhaps.  The prequels and some of ROTJ were definitely made with the toy licensing towards kids in mind too though, which is unfortunate.  I've pretty much concluded that George Lucas went to crap when he had/adopted his own kids however.  I think Lucas had a kid's wonderful sense of imagination and creativity during the making of the OT, but then dumbed everything down 10-fold when he started looking at the saga through the eyes of his own kids, losing any sense of his own personal vision in the process.  Very sad.
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Re: Your Opinions of George Lucas
« Reply #57 on: July 5, 2012, 10:02 AM »
From what they say in the movie that they destroyed the original films when they made the SEs and can't go back.

I know they released the Original Editions in 2006 as a 2nd disc (transfers from the Laserdisc set) and I have those and for now, that is all I need.  Sure they aren't super duper cleaned up and all that jazz but I don't really care that much about any of that stuff.

They neglected to say that in the movie

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I can't imagine that the original elements have been destroyed.  That is a total LFL excuse.  They do mention that in the film.

From The Secret History of Star Wars: Saving Star Wars: The Special Edition Restoration Process and its Changing Physicality

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. . .Since the negs themselves can't be physically altered, the restoration's final product must have been a new IP with correct coloring. Whenever films are color-timed, it is the Interpositives from which theatrical prints work from--original negatives do not contain any color-timing information, so whenever a release goes back to the original negatives, all the color-timing is lost and the film must be re-timed from scratch all over again. It is doubtful that an entirely new negative was struck from the corrected IP for Star Wars, which might explain why Lucas enacted a second color-timing effort in 2004 when he returned to the original negatives.

Had the film remained like this, we would have a restored version of Star Wars, perfectly matching the original release but with pristine quality, even to the point where it was better than what could have been possible back then (as with the higher quality optical transitions). However, this was only part of the process of making what was eventually called "The Special Edition." ILM was working on many dozens of new shots, and an even larger amount of enhanced shots, using digital effects to re-do, expand, re-edit and otherwise alter many scenes in the film. When these were completed, they apparently were printed onto film and re-cut into the negative, replacing the original negs, which were undoubtedly put back into storage. As a result, the negative for Star Wars is filled with CGI-laden modern alterations. When Lucas says that the original version physically does not exist, this is what he really means--the negative is conformed to the Special Edition. Of course, it would be very easy to simply put the original pieces back and conform it to the original version, or use the separation masters and IPs, or simply scan the old pieces for a digital restoration, but I digress.

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. . .It is also incredibly hard to imagine that Star Wars will never be restored to its original version. Perhaps it will take Lucas' passing to see this enacted--or perhaps not, given that he allowed the original versions to be released on DVD in 2006, even if they were just Laserdisk ports. In any case, I would be willing to bet a good amount of money that in some years in the future efforts were made to somehow save the original version of Star Wars--from Lucas himself, it may seem, as his Special Edition would have to be somehow worked around in gathering original elements. The negative could be re-conformed to its original configuration, using the original, saved pieces, but this is problematic due to handling issues (and losing more frames). When Robert Harris restored Godfather last year, he had to do it entirely digitally, saying that if any pin-registered mechanism were to touch the negative it would crumble. In Star Wars' case, using scans of the separation masters is perfectly viable, and though IPs and Technicolor prints are not ideal for masters they could be usable if cleaned up digitally. Perhaps the easiest option would be to simply follow the 1997 restoration pattern but in the digital realm: scan the negative in 8K, then scan the stored pre-SE shots or re-comp them, and fill in any damaged areas with IPs or separation masters, reconstructing the original cut, then digitally remove dirt and damage, and finally use a Technicolor print as a color reference for the Digital Intermediate created. Such a product would be theatrically viable, as pristine as when it had been shot, and 100% faithful in image and color to the original release.

The pricetag of doing a project like this would likely be under a million dollars. Jim Ward claims that Lucasfilm sold $100 million in DVDs in a single day when the refurbished Star Wars films came out in 2004, and while this figure might not be replicated (though in my opinion it probably would, if given a comparable marketing campaign) clearly there would be worthwhile profit. One day, I predict this process will happen, but that day does not seem to be anywhere in the near future. It will remain to be seen if the negative to Star Wars is in a salvageable state by the time this happens or if it has become a brittle relic, faded to black and white. It wouldn't be the first time the negative of a famous film has been lost--Criterion's restoration of Seven Samurai, for instance, does not work from a negative, nor did the gorgeous 35mm print of Rashomon that toured theatres this year. With fine-grain masters, IPs, and Separation masters available, the negative need not be the only source for a new master.


Backlash has, of course, occurred because of all this drama. The last dedicated release of the original version was a Laserdisk and VHS in 1995 (using the 1985 IP, which was then mastered in THX, according to Into the Digital Realm--the in-progress restoration couldn't be used for this release because it was still in-progress). By 2006, originaltrilogy.com had petitioned over 70,000 signatures to get the original versions released, and while the Laserdisk-port release of that year was at least admission of defeat of Lucas' crusade to erase the originals from existence, it also frustrated fans and experts alike, especially since the release wasn't even anamorphic (as the Laserdisk wasn't). When a letter-writing campaign reached Lucasfilm they responded by saying that the Laserdisk was the best source for the originals--which it would be without having to spend money, that is. Robert Harris, the man who had hand-restored Vertigo and Lawrence of Arabia, and later The Godfather, went on record saying he knew there were pristine 35mm elements available for use, and offered his services to restore the film. Lucasfilm did not respond. The efforts of fans and professionals like these will probably result in the aforementioned restoration at some point, if only for the callousness of making money, but it seems that day is not today.

The story of Star Wars' negative is both the story of advancing technology and the story of Lucas' ego. Showing how fragile negative film can be, how all sorts of old-fashioned tricks and the most advanced of analog technology was used to photo-chemically restore the elements, which were then embellished by select digital pieces in the infant technology, like some kind of emerging cyborg; by 2004, the film had been entirely consumed by digital technology, existing only as a digital negative. At the same time, a crusade of revisionism took over, moving from a project to preserve Star Wars so that future generations could see it, to an enhanced anniversary celebration for the fans that Lucas could use as an excuse to play with emerging digital technology, to finally a consummation of his prequel storyline and a nail in the coffin for the original version that so many had loved and that had given him his empire in the first place, while the quality of the negative itself seemed perpetually sliding downward in resolution.

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Re: Your Opinions of George Lucas
« Reply #58 on: March 2, 2013, 02:53 PM »
I wasn't sure where else to post this, but when my wife was looking up the video to Gotye's 'Somebody I used to know', I happened to notice this gem as a suggestion:

'The Star Wars that I used to Know' parody song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJlbPXZEpRE

My favorite lyric, 'Have your friends direct your movies and they'll turn out better!'
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Re: Your Opinions of George Lucas
« Reply #59 on: March 2, 2013, 06:06 PM »
I wasn't sure where else to post this, but when my wife was looking up the video to Gotye's 'Somebody I used to know', I happened to notice this gem as a suggestion:

'The Star Wars that I used to Know' parody song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJlbPXZEpRE

My favorite lyric, 'Have your friends direct your movies and they'll turn out better!'

That was awesome!