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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #390 on: April 16, 2014, 09:01 PM »
The last time we really saw Tommen before this week's episode was in the Season 2 episode "Blackwater".  Cersei was sitting with Tommen on the Iron Throne, getting ready to poison both herself and Tommen.  At least until Tywin marched into the throne room victorious.  Yeah, Cersei is certifiably batshit crazy.
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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #391 on: April 16, 2014, 11:18 PM »
I think I have a man-crush on Bronn. While the big wedding dominated the episode, the brief scene of Bronn training Jaimie was my favorite part.

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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #392 on: April 17, 2014, 12:51 AM »
Definitely one of the best characters IMO. 
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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #393 on: April 17, 2014, 07:18 AM »
Definitely one of the best characters IMO.

Who doesn't have a lot of friends in King's Landing...

Whose patron was just accused of poisoning the king...
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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #394 on: April 17, 2014, 08:35 AM »
I think I have a man-crush on Bronn. While the big wedding dominated the episode, the brief scene of Bronn training Jaimie was my favorite part.

Bronn training with Jaime Lannister is a change from the books.  In the books Jaime trains with Ser Ilyn Payne, the King's Justice.  IIRC, the last we've seen of Ser Ilyn was in the season 2 episode "Blackwater".

Truth be told, I'm fine with the change if these training sessions between Jaime and Bronn continue.  I think Bronn is a fantastic character and I'd like to see him continue to be in the mix.
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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #395 on: April 17, 2014, 09:00 AM »
Did the actor playing Ser Illyn pass away? I recall reading a couple years back that he came down with a serious illness, possibly cancer of some type.

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« Reply #396 on: April 17, 2014, 09:10 AM »
Wilko Johnson, who played Ilyn Payne, has been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer.  He's said himself that he's supposed to be dead.  And the survival rates for pancreatic cancer are ridiculously low.

I didn't know until I googled him that playing Ilyn Payne was Wilko Johnson's only acting credit.  He's actually much better known as the guitarist for the pub rock band Dr. Feelgood.
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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #397 on: April 17, 2014, 06:55 PM »
Definitely one of the best characters IMO.

Who doesn't have a lot of friends in King's Landing...

Whose patron was just accused of poisoning the king...

That's what I was thinking, though he doesn't have a ton of enemies either...  He's just there.  Tyrion getting arrested doesn't help him though, for sure.  :-\
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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #398 on: April 17, 2014, 07:28 PM »
Definitely one of the best characters IMO.

Who doesn't have a lot of friends in King's Landing...

Whose patron was just accused of poisoning the king...

That's what I was thinking, though he doesn't have a ton of enemies either...  He's just there.  Tyrion getting arrested doesn't help him though, for sure.  :-\

With Tyrion arrested who will pay poor Bronn?

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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #399 on: April 20, 2014, 09:59 PM »
I feel like things are moving pretty quick, I need to finish book 5 very soon.
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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #400 on: April 22, 2014, 05:25 PM »
Bronn's definitely taken a hit with Tyrion's arrest according to the last episode...  That whole sequence with Tyrion's squire was emotional, and so well acted on both parts.  I think it was my favorite scene overall.  Though hound bluntly trying to teach Ariya to nut up was a good scene too.

Tyrion always steals the show.
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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #401 on: April 28, 2014, 07:15 AM »
I enjoyed last nights episode but I'm starting to scratch my head a bit. I don't recall some of these story lines in the books. Without getting too spoilery, specifically I'm confused about Theon, Bran, and Jon Snow's recent arcs. I'm almost finished with reading Feast for Crows, Does some of this happen in Dances with Dragons or are they diverging off the path? Or have I just completely forgotten part of Storm of Swords?

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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #402 on: April 28, 2014, 08:28 AM »
I'm in the same boat.  I think they've diverged a bit from the books.  I also don't remember anything like the ceremony at the end from the books.

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Reading the Wiki - it looks like in the books only Summer ever encountered the traitors... what was left of them.
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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #403 on: April 28, 2014, 08:52 AM »
I noticed the divergences, too, and there's been several of them.

First?  Locke.  He's purely a creation of the show.  I think he was originally intended to be a stand-in for Vargo Hoat, leader of the Brave Companions.  He was at Harrenhal, and he cut off Jaime Lannister's hand in the book.  But in the show they've folded his role into Locke who is one of House Bolton's men.  And he made his way up to The Wall?  Really?  I understand Roose Bolton wanting to eliminate the last of the Starks in an effort to completely secure the North.  I just don't recall Theon/Reek ever letting the real info about Bran and Rickon's true fate getting exposed to Ramsey Snow and thereby Roose Bolton.

The events north of The Wall are definitely a creation of the show.  And you know that simply because none of those Night's Watch traitors were ever POV characters in the books.  I thought that the fate of the traitors had been left as them having killed one another off over time.  The sequence with Summer and Ghost was definitely a little surprising, and it left me hoping that the two dire wolves would be reunited.  And then for Bran and company to get captured?  Again, another divergence.  But I think the showrunners are trying to build some of the suspense and danger as Bran, Meera, Jojen and Hodor make their way North.

But that last scene?  OMG that was creepy.  Again, a creation of the show since those characters were never established as POV characters.
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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #404 on: April 28, 2014, 09:18 AM »
I noticed the divergences, too, and there's been several of them.

First?  Locke.  He's purely a creation of the show.  I think he was originally intended to be a stand-in for Vargo Hoat, leader of the Brave Companions.  He was at Harrenhal, and he cut off Jaime Lannister's hand in the book.  But in the show they've folded his role into Locke who is one of House Bolton's men.  And he made his way up to The Wall?  Really?  I understand Roose Bolton wanting to eliminate the last of the Starks in an effort to completely secure the North.  I just don't recall Theon/Reek ever letting the real info about Bran and Rickon's true fate getting exposed to Ramsey Snow and thereby Roose Bolton.

The events north of The Wall are definitely a creation of the show.  And you know that simply because none of those Night's Watch traitors were ever POV characters in the books.  I thought that the fate of the traitors had been left as them having killed one another off over time.  The sequence with Summer and Ghost was definitely a little surprising, and it left me hoping that the two dire wolves would be reunited.  And then for Bran and company to get captured?  Again, another divergence.  But I think the showrunners are trying to build some of the suspense and danger as Bran, Meera, Jojen and Hodor make their way North.

But that last scene?  OMG that was creepy.  Again, a creation of the show since those characters were never established as POV characters.

Yes, I've had the same confusion brewing since last week's episode.  This week, I was definitely trying to remember what was book and what was just show.  Couldn't remember a Locke character...never remembered Summer and Ghost interacting.  Finally settled on the same conclusion as you and decided I'd wiki it all later...none of these were POV characters.  In fact, we're never explicitly told in the books what happens when the Others get Craster's babies.  It's implied that they convert them, but we never really know.

What's still making it a little confusing, though, is that the showrunners make a very valid point...the mutineers at Craster's would have been a serious security threat to Castle Black.  But I don't remember that ever being addressed by Jon Snow...only vaguely remember through Summer's POV that they were all dead.  So is HBO addressing a plot hole?  Jon should have realized in the books that the Craster survivors posed a threat.
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