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Re: Captain America (Movie & Sequels)
« Reply #210 on: July 17, 2014, 05:12 PM »
Cap's black, and now Thor's a woman.  I honestly haven't enjoyed Marvel comics as much the last few years, so this is looking like a great stepping off point for me.  Utterly ridiculous that Marvel feels the need to pull stunts like this in place of anything remotely resembling character development. 

I actually loved a lot of the 80s stories, so have kept my subs going in the hopes of reconnecting with some of those great memories.  Billionaire Tony Stark defeating so many enemies only to slowly fall victim to the bottle, then rebuild his life and reclaim his armor?  Brilliant.  The original Secret Wars?  The Infinity Gauntlet?  Thor getting wounded and growing a beard?  Symbiote Spiderman/Venom?  These were classic character driven stories.  Marvel's shifted the players and copied some of the circumstances, but without any of the life or meaning behind them.  What a shame.
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Re: Captain America (Movie & Sequels)
« Reply #211 on: July 17, 2014, 06:25 PM »
A number of these things do seem like blatant marketing gimmicks.  But then the landscape for SO MUCH media has changed over the last 10 years.  It is so difficult to grab the attention of an audience, let alone maintain it.  I think Marvel is proactively trying to engage the audience with these changes.  They've done big things like this before, like when they launched the Ultimates Universe.  And you know what?  The Thor news was such a big deal that it made the papers and major news casts.  I think the marketing execs would take that as a WIN in their book.

And comics fans are well aware that this isn't the first time we've seen Marvel do things like this with their iconic characters.  Steve Rogers has handed off the Cap mantle before.  I remember when he got fired as Captain America, and was replaced by the guy who would later become the US Agent.  Then there was the assassination of Cap, too.  Plus, the powers of Thor have been passed on to Beta Ray Bill, as well as the Thor Frog before.  So why not a woman now?  Those things alone show us that the characters aren't necessarily sacred even to Marvel.  And at some point they'll probably come around with the re-birth or re-launch of the classic character as everyone knows them.
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Re: Captain America (Movie & Sequels)
« Reply #212 on: July 21, 2014, 07:00 AM »
Cap's black, and now Thor's a woman.  I honestly haven't enjoyed Marvel comics as much the last few years, so this is looking like a great stepping off point for me.  Utterly ridiculous that Marvel feels the need to pull stunts like this in place of anything remotely resembling character development. 

I actually loved a lot of the 80s stories, so have kept my subs going in the hopes of reconnecting with some of those great memories.  Billionaire Tony Stark defeating so many enemies only to slowly fall victim to the bottle, then rebuild his life and reclaim his armor?  Brilliant.  The original Secret Wars?  The Infinity Gauntlet?  Thor getting wounded and growing a beard?  Symbiote Spiderman/Venom?  These were classic character driven stories.  Marvel's shifted the players and copied some of the circumstances, but without any of the life or meaning behind them.  What a shame.

I would call the Thor thing a stunt.  The Captain America is just a retread of what they have done in the past.  They already did it with Bucky.  This time they just seem to be ripping off the Batman Beyond thing, but using an established character instead of a new one.  Falcon becomes Cap and Cap sits in the "batcave" and helps Falcon over the headset.

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Re: Captain America (Movie & Sequels)
« Reply #213 on: July 21, 2014, 09:38 AM »
What amazes me is stuff like this gets play in the press at all.  I don't remember hearing about Beta Ray Bill on the evening news back in the day.  I wonder if it's  the PR hand of Disney, or because geek culture is dominant these days.

There's no doubt both these moves are temporary.  Just like Cap's death.  Just like Superior Spider-Man.  Just like each replacement Cap, Thor and Iron Man.  So I don't understand why it's such a big deal.
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Re: Captain America (Movie & Sequels)
« Reply #214 on: July 21, 2014, 10:39 AM »
It's got to be because the Marvel Cinematic Universe has brought this all into the mainstream since the movies have been wildly successful.  The new issue of EW has an Avengers - Age of Ultron cover story, and that movie doesn't come out for another 10 months!  That article touted the box office for the MCU as being somewhere in the neighborhood of $6 billion.  So while Marvel Comics may go in different directions story-wise, news about those characters that are part of the MCU can mean big business.
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Re: Captain America (Movie & Sequels)
« Reply #215 on: August 28, 2014, 09:46 AM »
Rumor has it that Captain America 3 will include an appearance from Hawkeye.  Nothing definitive yet, as the Russo brothers are still working up the script for the next installment.
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