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Re: The Avengers (and sequels)
« Reply #330 on: September 24, 2013, 07:55 PM »
The Avengers: Age of Ultron teaser that was shown at SDCC has shown up online.  Not a whole lot, but kind of neat:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=87595

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Re: The Avengers (and sequels)
« Reply #331 on: September 25, 2013, 12:50 AM »
Looks like they took it down already.   :'(
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Re: The Avengers (and sequels)
« Reply #332 on: September 25, 2013, 09:11 AM »
It was nothing.  Audio clips from The Avengers and an Ultron mask.  Poor quality.
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Re: The Avengers (and sequels)
« Reply #333 on: September 25, 2013, 12:58 PM »
It was nothing.  Audio clips from The Avengers and an Ultron mask.  Poor quality.

Yeah, I watched it last night before it got taken down.  It was pure teaser fare, and nothing else.  The Ultron face was really the only new element.
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Re: The Avengers (and sequels)
« Reply #334 on: September 27, 2013, 06:53 AM »
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Re: The Avengers (and sequels)
« Reply #335 on: September 27, 2013, 12:25 PM »
Thanks Bill.  Pretty interesting despite being just a teaser.  Does anyone know if Hank Pym is cast for this movie?  It almost sounds to me like Ultron might come from Stark's development work.  He already has a series of AI machines that help out in his lab, so I wonder if one goes rouge somehow?  I hope they find a way to mirror the comics storyline for Ultron and bring Pym into the fold, but that's going to be hard unless they focus the whole story on it.
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Re: The Avengers (and sequels)
« Reply #336 on: September 27, 2013, 12:50 PM »
I think Whedon said that Pym isn't the creator of Ultron in his version.
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Re: The Avengers (and sequels)
« Reply #337 on: September 27, 2013, 05:39 PM »
I think Whedon said that Pym isn't the creator of Ultron in his version.

There you go then.  I guess Stark can now be blamed for all the worlds munitions as well as the Ultron problem.  Too bad they're going that route - the Hank and Janet storylines are pretty rich throughout the Avengers lore.
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Re: The Avengers (and sequels)
« Reply #338 on: September 27, 2013, 09:04 PM »
I don't know how well that story fits into a Disney Avengers franchise.
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Re: The Avengers (and sequels)
« Reply #339 on: September 30, 2013, 11:04 AM »
I agree, Bill.  They also run the risk of overly bloating the plot with too many characters/details.  We nerds LOVE stuff like that but the average movie-goer gets annoyed and gives up (see The Hobbit).  Sooner or later the whole thing will collapse on the weight of its own complexity.

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Re: The Avengers (and sequels)
« Reply #340 on: October 4, 2013, 12:16 AM »
I don't know how well that story fits into a Disney Avengers franchise.

Are you referring to the Hank & Pym storyline from the comics?  I think they could cover that without the wife abuse much like they covered Stark without the alcoholism.  Pym as a B-character scientist who wants to impress his friends by building (and defeating) a sentient robot makes a great storyline IMO.
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Re: The Avengers (and sequels)
« Reply #341 on: October 4, 2013, 09:29 AM »
Ant Man was beating his wife?!?! WTF?

When did all this go down in the actual comics? Must have been 80's or 90's right?
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Re: The Avengers (and sequels)
« Reply #342 on: October 4, 2013, 10:14 AM »
Yeah he sort of went off the deep end in the early 80's when he was Yellowjacket


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Re: The Avengers (and sequels)
« Reply #343 on: October 4, 2013, 11:27 AM »
In the Ultimates books (on which much of the Marvel movie universe is based) his abuse was a lot worse.

But then the Hulk was running around screaming he was going to rape and eat people, so they can probably tone it down a bit.
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Re: The Avengers (and sequels)
« Reply #344 on: October 4, 2013, 06:19 PM »
Hank cracked under the stress of being a super hero/husband/scientist and turned into a royal jerk.  He takes on multiple identities as he tries to resolve his feelings of inferiority, turning from Ant-Man to Giant Man to Goliath to Yellow Jacket.  YJ is his most confident persona, but also his most cocky and arrogant.  He abused Janet and was ineffective on the team.  To prove himself, he created an AI Robot called Ultron, making it strong enough to best the rest of the Avengers.  His plan was to swoop in and defeat it using a kill switch, regaining the trust of his wife and friends.  Of course, it goes horribly wrong with Ultron disarming his own kill switch and escaping with the knowledge that his "dad" tried to kill him.  Hank eventually loses his wife and retires for several years.

Ultron remakes himself over the years, first vowing to kill the Avengers, then all of humanity.  It's a pretty cool story of a fallen hero that leads to some great down stream consequences.  Ultron eventually repeats his father's mistake, creating a synthetic being called the Vision to attack the Avengers, and the Vision turns on him to join the heroes.  The Vision was made using Wonder Man's brain patterns, which eventually creates a love triangle between the Vision, resurrected Wonder Man, and the Scarlet Witch.  Vision marries the Scarlet Witch, and on and on.  Ultron ultimately becomes one of the Avengers greatest heroes and a never-ending source of guilt for Hank.  Who knows how they will approach it in the movie, but I just love that original story.  Flawed heroes seem so much more believable to me.
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