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Re: NBA 2004/05
« Reply #45 on: November 21, 2004, 08:01 PM »
Artest done for the year.  Called that one, but no surprise really.  Stern had to.

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Re: NBA 2004/05
« Reply #46 on: November 21, 2004, 08:32 PM »
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Re: JediDefender Fantasy Basketball
« Reply #47 on: November 21, 2004, 08:33 PM »
Where did you read your info on the suspensions? Yahoo.com is reporting that Artest is suspended for the rest of the year, Jackson for 30 games, O'Neal for 25 and Wallace for 5.

That was the early report on Fox News.  Your info is correct.

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Re: JediDefender Fantasy Basketball
« Reply #48 on: November 21, 2004, 09:16 PM »
Moved my post over to the NBA thread.
« Last Edit: November 21, 2004, 09:17 PM by Morgbug »
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Re: NBA 2004/05
« Reply #49 on: November 21, 2004, 09:18 PM »
Also finally saw the video.  Thank goodness basketball players fight like girls (no offense) or it could have been much, much worse.  Artest landed a good shot on the fan but it could have been so very much worse, had he actually known how to throw a punch.  And did I see O'neal fall (stumble/slip) while throwing that punch on the floor? 

Not overly impressed with the fans in Detroit though either.  I didn't see how it began but one, stay off the floor; two, don't dump all your **** on the players as they leave the floor.  Utterly classless, no matter how mad you may be.  If indeed the players end up faced with litigation, I think it only fair that they in turn sue the fans that dumped **** on them.  You never know what's in there, it could be dangerous to the players.  I'm saying it facetiously, but a lawyer could take that and run.

Edit: Watched Dale's link.  Artest can throw a punch :o  The video I saw earlier is a little different angle and has a bit more of the fighting in it.  Still not clear what precipitated Artest and Jackson going into the stands though ???  Artest was acting like a clown on the scorers table, but suddenly he's in the stands throwing punches?  WHy?
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Re: NBA 2004/05
« Reply #50 on: November 21, 2004, 09:34 PM »
From what I could tell, while Artest was laying on the scorers table, a full cup of beer landed right on his chest and that's when he got up and went after the guy he must have thought threw it at him.

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Re: NBA 2004/05
« Reply #51 on: November 21, 2004, 09:53 PM »
Hmm.  I can understand being pissed off, but that's just plain stupid ::)  Never mind the fact that it's only beer and an idiot fan that surely would have been turfed for life had they been caught, but walking into an opposing teams crowd where realistically someone could have been armed, either knife or gun.  But would that matter?  Gee, Indiana jersey amongst 20+ Detroit fans.  Gotta like them odds. 

I can see why Jackson followed him in though, probably thinking exactly like that.  Oh ****, Ron's going to get killed in there.  Literally. 

Next edit.  Saw it again, different source.  Yup, a beer or pop right smack in the chest.  Gonna play contrarian here.  The fan was goading Artest afterwards and got what he deserved.  Jackson did go into the stands to protect Artest.  Doesn't justify their actions at all, but I sure hope the fans get theirs too.
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Re: NBA 2004/05
« Reply #52 on: November 22, 2004, 09:05 AM »
Crazy, crazy stuff.  After catching the game on Friday, and the highlights all weekend long...I still can't believe it.  I'll preface this by saying I'm not a fan of the Pacers, nor Jermaine O'Neal, Ron Artest, or Stephen Jackson.  That said, although I think their actions were quite inappropriate, and they did deserve suspensions (although the entire season for Artest might have been a bit steep)...a few things are being lost in this whole incident.  First off:

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Not overly impressed with the fans in Detroit though either.  I didn't see how it began but one, stay off the floor; two, don't dump all your **** on the players as they leave the floor.  Utterly classless, no matter how mad you may be.  If indeed the players end up faced with litigation, I think it only fair that they in turn sue the fans that dumped **** on them.  You never know what's in there, it could be dangerous to the players.  I'm saying it facetiously, but a lawyer could take that and run.

I couldn't agree more on this.  The more times I see the replays of this the angrier I get at Detroits fans.  Their actions at this game (taunting, throwing, and dumping stuff on players...getting involved physically in any way) was totally bush league stuff.  Ridiculous.  Just thinking about this, these are grown men, our ages, and they don't have more sense than this to throw their food and drink on other grown men.  When you really think about what they are doing, how crazy is that?  I know many will say the same things about the players, but for anyone who has either been involved in a fight, or in a tightly contested sports rivalry knows that there is a big difference between being highly emotional and involved in the actual game/fight, and from being a spectator that just happens to be in the same building.  Those fans weren't even on the same side really (as the fights), and just happened to be by the tunnel where they escorted the players out, and they dump a bunch of crap on them.  Totally classless.  And also, for any of the fans that came out on the floor to confront the players, as far as I'm concerned, they got what they deserved.  Once you come down there, you're fair game I think.  I don't know what that one fan who came down to "step up" to Artest after the initial melee thought he was going to do.  That guy deserved a punch in the chops as far as I'm concerned.

Also forgotten in all of this...although the Pacers going in the stands is not right, none of this would have happened if "Big" Ben Wallace wouldn't have over reacted to a fairly harmless foul in a game in which they were getting their asses kicked anyways.  If he wouldn't have shoved Ron (who did walk away, surprisingly by the way), none of this would have ever happened.  He gets six games, while the Pacers basically lose their season.  His action was much less severe than what the Indiana players did, but it did spring the whole thing.

Like I said, I'm not a Pacers fan at all, quite the opposite actually...but to me the Detroit fans are just as much to blame in this whole thing.  I've heard a lot of people place blame on the players solely, which is a bit unfair.  Yes, they are overpaid millionaires, but that really has nothing to do with this.  I just know from past experience, if you are in a game like this, heated rivarly, and put on top of it that you just had an (almost) fight...if someone threw a beer in my face, I don't know that I would have reacted any differently.  On a side note, I'm pretty sure Ron Ron went after the wrong person in the stands, which is too bad I guess too.  To be honest, the more you watch the "drink throwing" replay, keep an eye on the woman in the Chauncey Billups jersey.  I am about 90% certain she is the one who hit him with the drink.  Her hand is extended in a "post throw" position, and she also has a sort of "that's right" attitude look on her face when you first see Artest get up from scorer's table.  Either way, I'm pretty sure he went after the wrong person.  Funny to see all the fans in front of that guy part like the red sea once they saw Artest coming.

Anyways, this got way longer than it needed to be, but it has just started to bother me the way so many people aren't disgusted with the Detroit fans' behavior.  Another example was when the melee was going on in the stands and a Pacers' player (Freddie Jones, No. 20) was up there trying to break things up, never threw a single punch, and wasn't suspended as far as I know was attacked from behind by another Detroit fan.  Ridiculous.  I sure hope that the fans found responsible are punished in some way as well.  Definitely a terrible act overall by fans, players, and security.  Seeing the images of a father consoling his two boys (with tears in their eyes) after this went on, really upset me as well.  All these grown men (and maybe some women as far as throwing things) acting like 7 year olds fighting at recess.  Ridiculous.

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Re: NBA 2004/05
« Reply #53 on: November 22, 2004, 09:36 AM »
I'm with Brian on this, Artest deserves to get the book thrown at them but the rest of the players were either

A: Trying to get him out of the stand and were being pummeled by thugs in the stands
B: Beating "fans" who ran out on the court who could have had a knife or a gun or something else on them

I don't think O'neal or Jackson deserve the suspensions they got and Wallace should have gotten 3-4 games not 6.  Artest is a toss up I can see him getting the rest of the year, he was an idiot for doing what he did and did much harm to what is left of the NBA's image

But the fans are more to blame for most of this, if the Detroit prosecuters don't press charges against all of those people involved too I'll be  PO'd

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Re: NBA 2004/05
« Reply #54 on: November 22, 2004, 11:17 PM »
I'm with Brian on this, Artest deserves to get the book thrown at them but the rest of the players were either

A: Trying to get him out of the stand and were being pummeled by thugs in the stands
B: Beating "fans" who ran out on the court who could have had a knife or a gun or something else on them

I don't think O'neal or Jackson deserve the suspensions they got and Wallace should have gotten 3-4 games not 6.  Artest is a toss up I can see him getting the rest of the year, he was an idiot for doing what he did and did much harm to what is left of the NBA's image

But the fans are more to blame for most of this, if the Detroit prosecuters don't press charges against all of those people involved too I'll be  PO'd

I don't really watch alot of basketball but have seen this incedent all weekend long and through the link in this thread.  I'm glad Artest got what he got, my feelings are that no matter what you as a player shouldn't go into the crowd weather or not they threw something at you.  Tell a offical or an asher to get that person out of the arena.    The other players who went up in the crowd I have mix feelings on too since they went in the crowd but they may of been trying to get they teammate out of there like you said Scott. 
The clowns who went on the floor to pick a fight with the players should be denied the right to sue the players, NBA, other people, since they are just looking to make money in all chance.  THese idiots should be banned from every going to an NBA game again.   
I also heard that the DA knows the guy who threw the cup, (not the guy Artest beat up, who was just an innocent bystander=$$$) from his past.  So hopefully he gets charged as will as all the people/players who where fighting, especially the idiot who threw the chair.

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Re: NBA 2004/05
« Reply #55 on: November 24, 2004, 12:22 AM »
The Lakers finally moved one step closer to getting their regular lineup together, with the long-awaited return of VLADE tonight!  One of our favorite sons has returned home...   8)

Pretty weird to think that he's the guy who we actually traded to the Hornets 8 years ago to get Kobe.  Plus, he's now had to come in and fill the shoes of both Kareem Abdul-Jabbar AND Shaq.  Two of the alltime greatest centers...

With the recent activation of Slava Medvedenko, all we've gotta do is get Devean George's butt healthy, and we'll finally be at 100% for the first time this year.  Hopefully that helps, though our woes have mostly been on the defensive end thus far, and neither of these guys are gonna help in that respect a whole lot.  Guess we're just gonna have to outgun everbody now!

On the Artest matter, anyone catch him pimping his CD on the Today Show this morning?  Hardly regretful of the whole situation last week.  Mostly just making up excuses and saying he's getting the shaft with his suspension.  No apology.  No nuthin'.  What a dumbass...   ::)

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Re: NBA 2004/05
« Reply #56 on: November 24, 2004, 02:52 AM »
What's with Shaq going 5-8 shooting for the Heat tonight, while his no-name teammate Haslem somethingrather goes 3-17?  That's a little odd, especially with Miami taking the loss to a rather pathetic Blazers squad.

The Wolves got knocked around by upstart Seattle tonight too.  What's with the Sonics this year?  Someone needs to tell them that they're supposed to suck, because I don't think they've gotten that message yet!

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Re: NBA 2004/05
« Reply #57 on: November 27, 2004, 12:08 AM »
The T-Wolves are really good this year.   ::)


That's all I wanted to say.  But hey, at least they managed to beat the Bobcats tonight...   :-\


Strange, how quiet those wusses from MN get when their team sucks donkey balls... 

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Re: NBA 2004/05
« Reply #58 on: November 27, 2004, 12:10 AM »
They beat the Griz you drunk bastard...and they are better than your sorry ass team ::)

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« Reply #59 on: November 27, 2004, 12:13 AM »
Same thing.  They still suck either way...

Can't beat the Pacers, who have what - like 6 players left on their roster?  Nice.  Great team you've got there.  Lots of heart.  Way to let two contract squabbles and one big fat drunk dumbass ruin what should've been a serious Title drive.

Speaking of which, you guys still happy with the addition of Olowakandi out there?  Yeah, he's REAL good...  Especially when he's locked up in the clink...   :P