Author Topic: Why dindn't Vader overthrow Darth Sidious?  (Read 1144 times)

Offline Napoleon

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Why dindn't Vader overthrow Darth Sidious?
« on: June 7, 2005, 05:38 PM »
Lord Vader is definitely more powerful than Sidious why hasn't he overthrowed him? In the game of Episode III he does that in the alternative ending.

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Re: Why dindn't Vader overthrow Darth Sidious?
« Reply #1 on: June 7, 2005, 07:56 PM »
Lord Vader is definitely more powerful than Sidious why hasn't he overthrowed him? In the game of Episode III he does that in the alternative ending.
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I don't think he is more powerful than Sidious, actually.  I think once he became mostly machine, his power to use the force was diminished.  For instance, he cannot use force lightning, like Sidious.  If the measure of power within the force is measured by midichlorians, and Vader is half-machine, it stands to reason he has a lower balance of midichlorians than before.  :::shrug:::  Just my two cents ... !
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Re: Why dindn't Vader overthrow Darth Sidious?
« Reply #2 on: June 7, 2005, 08:44 PM »
I think I remember George Lucas saying something similar to what MommySkywalker just mentioned.

I thought he did overthrow Sidious....did y'all miss that part in Return of the Jedi?  :o
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Re: Why dindn't Vader overthrow Darth Sidious?
« Reply #3 on: June 7, 2005, 11:07 PM »
The second-to-last page of the novelization implies essentially that. Although it doesn't reference the midis directly.
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Re: Why dindn't Vader overthrow Darth Sidious?
« Reply #4 on: June 8, 2005, 08:35 AM »
Personally I think Vader is just lost in a darkside funk for twenty years.  You know from looking good to being a stubby burnt up piece of flesh inside a freaking suit of armor.  He was just depressed.  Lost his lady love and could not get another chick looking how he does.  Plus all that bitterness and self pity. 

He gets to satisfy himself every now and then with a killing.  Gets the aggresion out.  He wont' overthrow the Emperor because he helped pull from the lava beach on Mustafar.  Probably felt that he owes him.  Also, Anakin probably thinks Palpatine is a tad stronger in the Force with that lightning.  So, he can't really do anything about him. He just goes about his merry, darkside manner until inspiration hits him in ROTJ. 

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Re: Why dindn't Vader overthrow Darth Sidious?
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2005, 11:44 AM »
Personally I think Vader is just lost in a darkside funk for twenty years. 

More or less. Vader might have been more powerfull pysically, but Palpatine had more wisdom and trickery.
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Re: Why dindn't Vader overthrow Darth Sidious?
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2005, 04:34 PM »
Personally I think Vader is just lost in a darkside funk for twenty years.  You know from looking good to being a stubby burnt up piece of flesh inside a freaking suit of armor.  He was just depressed.  Lost his lady love and could not get another chick looking how he does.  Plus all that bitterness and self pity. 

He gets to satisfy himself every now and then with a killing.  Gets the aggresion out.  He wont' overthrow the Emperor because he helped pull from the lava beach on Mustafar.  Probably felt that he owes him.  Also, Anakin probably thinks Palpatine is a tad stronger in the Force with that lightning.  So, he can't really do anything about him. He just goes about his merry, darkside manner until inspiration hits him in ROTJ. 

"Killy my son will you?  I think not." 

Precisely.

Much like a psychologically abusive spouse, Palpy would have had ways to manipulate Vader into staying with him. Look at all the plotting that went into corrupting Anakin to begin with--once there it would be a comparatively simple matter to keep him on the leash. I'm sure Palpy milked "I rescued your crispy torso and put you in this position of power, so you owe me" as much as he could.
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