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Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
« on: July 13, 2005, 02:07 PM »
Thought the Lava Vader from April 2nd sucked?

Get ready to hate on these figures too!

From GH.com:

"Two new Target Exclusive action figures: Lava Reflection Obi-Wan Kenobi (based on the #1 Revenge of the Sith Obi-Wan Kenobi figure) and Lava Reflection Anakin Skywalker (based on the #2 Revenge of the Sith Anakin Skywalker figure). Both come with a new, "hot" Mustafar base, dark paint jobs and orange "lava" reflection deco."

More info at SDCC this week!

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Re: Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2005, 02:10 PM »
I wasn't excited about the Lava Vader (never found it, but likely would have skipped it anyways)...and I don't see these figures being any different.  From the looks of that GH report, there's going to continue to be all sorts of exclusives coming later this year...some neat, some not so much.  I really feel for the completists when all this exclusive business is going on.  Unless these Obi/Anakin figures turn out to be something pretty spiffy, I'm likely passing.

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Re: Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2005, 02:13 PM »
That's the second aweful rehash exclusive in what, 2 hours?

I'm convinced that all Hasbro learned from this year's exclusives and last year's OTC success was that people will buy rehashed garbage if it is positioned as hard to get or on pretty packaging. I see rehash hell ahead for us.

Unbelievable.

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Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2005, 02:26 PM »
This is insane. Enough exclusive repacks! Especially crappy ones like these with horrible paint jobs!

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Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2005, 02:30 PM »
It's official Hasbro has run out of ideas and money for new molds. Shame.
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Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2005, 02:31 PM »
Since I own zero Lava reflection figures, I'll pass on these. Screw this noise.
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Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2005, 02:52 PM »
What the ****? I'm convinced Hasbro is run by a bunch of ******* morons.  Better give them **** Matt at SDCC for them producing **** like this.
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Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2005, 03:00 PM »
You've gotta be kidding me. ::) Booooo!

I'm convinced that all Hasbro learned from this year's exclusives and last year's OTC success was that people will buy rehashed garbage if it is positioned as hard to get or on pretty packaging. I see rehash hell ahead for us.

Unbelievable.

Not to say "I told you so" but ... I told you so. I knew this would happen if people bought into the Target clone/Lava Vader type crap. Give 'em an inch, etc. etc.

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Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2005, 03:58 PM »
Well, I guess we can count on 2006 being the year that 1985 repeats itself, and I think you all know what I'm referring to.

(in before Lava Reflection Padme, Threepio, R2, and Palpatine announcements)

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Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2005, 04:02 PM »
We need a Lava Reflection Mas Amedda! There aren't enough of that guy warming the shelves  ;D
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Re: Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2005, 04:24 PM »
I'm convinced that all Hasbro learned from this year's exclusives and last year's OTC success was that people will buy rehashed garbage if it is positioned as hard to get or on pretty packaging. I see rehash hell ahead for us.

Well, I was excited to get a Lava Vader because it was one of a limited number or bad rehashes but exclusive.  I was excited to get a Target Clone pooper because it seemed limited.  Holo Yoda appeared locally so I got it too.  

But this is just plain stupid.  I'll grant you the lava reflection versions of these figures make more sense than the lava Vader actually did, but this is just silly. Why?  There's a limit to what I'll spend and I've been fringing on the Hasbro stuff for a while now.  Too much (100+ figures in less than 2 years?) in too little time with too little quality.  

Who wants an exlusive lava reflection figure from a poor sculpt that has an action feature with it??  Honestly, Hasbro should sit back and look at themselves "...the kids want action features..." they say.  Great, what kid is going to pay for (let alone be able to obtain) what is certain to be a $12 exclusive with a fancy-shmancy (read "piece of crap") protective case?  How many parents are going to listen to 7-year old Johnny when he clamors to get daddy to pay for the $25 (plus shipping!) ebay-exclusive lava reflection Anakin? ::)  This is dumb.  Just dumb.  

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Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2005, 04:31 PM »
I am feeling better about my forced (read: no money) removal from near all collecting in 1999
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Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2005, 04:35 PM »
^^ Word to Brent! This type of gimmick **** is just plain insulting. >:( (That being said,   if   when they do a Lava Reflection Clone, I'll be on board. :-\ Curse my Clone obsession!)

Pricing and availability aside, no kid is going to want shiny red versions of Anakin and Obi. They'll want ones that actually look like the character.

Ergo, any sucker who buys these is an adult collector, and collectors don't like action features.

A lovely lose/lose/lose situation for kids, collectors, and ultimately Hasbro.
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Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2005, 04:52 PM »
The only problem is Hasbro won't lose.  These will likely be somewhat limited production (50-100,000 units), a store exclusive and ebay sellers will go nuts.  It's likely to be a US only release, so they'll have a worldwide market to hit.  Hasbro looks at sales once they are gone from the warehouse.  Once the retailer buys them, they are sold in Hasbro's eyes and based on Lava Vader/Target Clone/Holo Yoda sales most retailers (or the exclusive retailer) will look at this and think no-brainer. 

So kids don't care - loser.
Collectors are frustrated - loser.
Hasbro/Retailer sell out - winner. 

And that's all that matters to a company that is obviously out of touch with the majority of the collector market (based on the general response I saw at the Hasbro Q&A at C3) except for the kiss-ups. 
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Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2005, 04:58 PM »
That's true, but in the long run Hasbro still loses. Like you say, this results in collectors getting more and more pissed off, thus quitting the hobby or drastically cutting back on purchases, thus retailers don't buy SW toys, thus in the end Hasbro loses money. Trickledown effect and all that.

Of course, scalpers will still buy this stuff up (still making money for Hasbro) but eventually even they will stop when they realize collector demand has dried up.
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