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Re: Super Hero/Comic Book Movies
« Reply #1380 on: August 9, 2015, 06:33 PM »
I don't know - they modernized Iron Man's story and that movie was great.
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« Reply #1381 on: August 10, 2015, 09:03 AM »
They also changed Thor significantly from its original Marvel roots.  No crippled doctor tapping a stick.

I think the reason they keep failing with FF is because they can't nail Reed.  The Thing is easy.  Johnny Storm is very easy.  Sue is difficult to give much weight to, but a "strong woman" angle shouldn't be too difficult.  But Reed they keep screwing up badly.  He is the smartest man in the world, and he knows it.  He needs to be written as a patriarch.  A leader.  A beacon.  Instead he's written as wishy-washy and unconfident.  Awkward.  Maybe they're trying for the hero's journey kind of thing, and maybe it's origin-itis.  But I gotta think when Reed first strapped into his rocket, he was feeling like a god.  Not some dork who gets flustered around the ladies.

Also, when you cast a guy who looks like a high schooler in the role, it's difficult to accept that he has the gravitas of the smartest man in the world.

Reed should be Stark without the snark.  A living legend.  That might not jive with current sensibilities, but I think that's what you need to pull off the FF - a leader who the rest of the team respects and follows.

And of course, Doom needs to be the monarch of Latveria.  How hard is that to understand?
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Re: Super Hero/Comic Book Movies
« Reply #1382 on: August 10, 2015, 09:19 AM »
I think you're right about Reed. He has been the most off across all of the incarnations.  It's like Hollywood can't figure out that a brainy guy doesn't have to be socially awkward.  I mean, he does get Sue to marry him right???  Unfortunately it's been done so many times that I think the FF will have to wait a very long time for even a chance at another reboot.  Sounds like opening weekend was only like $26mil.  Hopefully that sends a message to Hollywood not to take so many liberties with the characters.
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« Reply #1383 on: August 10, 2015, 09:23 AM »
or to use a better tested director.
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Re: Super Hero/Comic Book Movies
« Reply #1384 on: August 10, 2015, 09:31 AM »
or to use a better tested director.

I think that's the key here.  The source material is rich, without a doubt.  But I think this was a case of the studio not doing it's due dilligence when they sought out a director.  It's one thing to believe in the talent of young filmmakers and to give them a chance to do something great.  But when you're talking about a film with a budget of over $100 million, there's something to be said for experience and a proven track record.
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Re: Super Hero/Comic Book Movies
« Reply #1385 on: August 10, 2015, 11:16 AM »
Yeah, Reed should be older than the rest of them too, except for maybe Ben. He's a tweed jacket pipe smoking guy with grey sideburns the first time you ever even see him. There's a reason Ben always calls him "high pockets". He's conservative, older and uptight...the Mr Ward Cleaver of super heroes.

And Sue is straight up Doris Day. Sally Q Whitebread all the way.

If they think people can't relate to that, just pick another group.
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Re: Super Hero/Comic Book Movies
« Reply #1386 on: August 10, 2015, 12:41 PM »
I just finished watching the Fantastic Bore online. What a piece off crap!   ::)


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Re: Super Hero/Comic Book Movies
« Reply #1387 on: August 10, 2015, 06:05 PM »
Yeah, Reed should be older than the rest of them too, except for maybe Ben. He's a tweed jacket pipe smoking guy with grey sideburns the first time you ever even see him. There's a reason Ben always calls him "high pockets". He's conservative, older and uptight...the Mr Ward Cleaver of super heroes.

I think Reed Richards early characterization was more of a charicature of a college professor / PhD / research scientist circa the early 1960's.  Basically an even brainier and work obsessed version of the archetype played by the Professor on Gilligan's Island.  But that particular take on uber genius is pretty dated.

I think the first FF films for Fox captured some of the character essence, but I think that they probably could have benefitted from some star power for the Reed Richards role, and perhaps one of the other roles.  I won't even get into the nonsense of Galactus being realized as a giant cloud since that was just ridiculous, and that second FF film could have been better with a different script.
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Re: Super Hero/Comic Book Movies
« Reply #1388 on: August 11, 2015, 09:18 AM »
I won't even get into the nonsense of Galactus being realized as a giant cloud since that was just ridiculous, and that second FF film could have been better with a different script.

You mean a giant guy with big boots and a huge hat isn't ridiculous enough?

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« Reply #1389 on: August 11, 2015, 09:46 AM »
The Galactus costume is a product of it's times.  And regarding costumes over a range of comics there was a perfect line from Cyclops in that first X-Men film: "What, do you expect us to run around in yellow spandex?"

But to think that lifeforms should be limited to a size that's similar to that of humankind is, pardon the pun, small thinking.  Especially when some of the discoveries of the Kepler telescope have revealed exoplanets in the so-called "Goldilocks zone" around distant stars that might support life yet are far larger than the Earth.  Exobiologists have theorized the possibility that some alien species could be far larger than humans.  Are they likely to look exactly like humans but stand over 100 feet tall?  Probably not.  But that possibility of life existing at a far larger scale than humans is an interesting concept.
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« Reply #1390 on: August 11, 2015, 10:21 AM »
Nothing designed by Jack King Kirby is ridiculous.
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Re: Super Hero/Comic Book Movies
« Reply #1391 on: August 11, 2015, 10:35 AM »
You mean a giant guy with big boots and a huge hat isn't ridiculous enough?

Big Boots?  Wouldn't a giant guy with little boots be even more ridiculous?

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Re: Super Hero/Comic Book Movies
« Reply #1392 on: August 11, 2015, 10:56 AM »
Eh - Galactus is only 30' tall.  Makes you wonder why he needs to eat so much.

Though I never really bought the official Marvel specs on his height.  He's routinely depicted with Silver Surfer in his hand, about the size of an action figure.  That'd make Galactus almost 4 times as tall.
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Re: Super Hero/Comic Book Movies
« Reply #1393 on: August 11, 2015, 02:58 PM »
I love FF, but won't bother seeing this version.  I am getting tired of the antagonistic government angle that gets too played up (works for X-Men; FF not so much).  From what I've heard and read about Trank's FF, the government locks down the team or something.  The government doesn't need to be the antagonist, much less the villain.  That's why you've got Dr. Doom.  His inclusion as little more than an undeveloped afterthought, while the FBI locks up Reed and whatever else is just stupid. 

Regarding Galactus, remember that's not what Galactus really looks like; it's what our puny mortal minds are capable of conceiving him to be.

And at least he doesn't look as ridiculous as he looked back when human beings couldn't conceive of him with long sleeves and pants:

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Re: Super Hero/Comic Book Movies
« Reply #1394 on: August 14, 2015, 01:50 PM »
Seeing "Ant Man" tonight. This will be the first "Comic Super Hero" movie I've ever initiated being willing to pay money to go see in the theater (I probably would have with "Guardians of the Galaxy", but just waited for Blu Ray). Fingers crossed. I'm counting on all of your opinions.
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