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Re: Your Judicial Philosophy
« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2006, 10:36 PM »
By the way, what does this case really have to do with anyone's judicial philosophy?

Judges do come with a philosophy, they're not impartial robots.  Because 1/2 the judges will blame myspace.com, and the other half will blame the actual criminal.  I thought that would be obvious to a man with as much insight as yourself  ;)
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Re: Your Judicial Philosophy
« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2006, 11:31 PM »
Judges do come with a philosophy, they're not impartial robots.  Because 1/2 the judges will blame myspace.com, and the other half will blame the actual criminal.  I thought that would be obvious to a man with as much as insight as yourself  ;)

Where are you getting your statistics? 7/8 the time you don't cite any relevant source, and the other 1/8 it's Fox News.
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Re: Your Judicial Philosophy
« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2006, 11:46 PM »


Indeed. This could be good. Pass the salt.

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Re: Your Judicial Philosophy
« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2006, 11:46 PM »
Judges do come with a philosophy, they're not impartial robots.  Because 1/2 the judges will blame myspace.com, and the other half will blame the actual criminal.  I thought that would be obvious to a man with as much as insight as yourself  ;)

Where are you getting your statistics? 7/8 the time you don't cite any relevant source, and the other 1/8 it's Fox News.

You can see my first post in the thread for "terms I do not intend to use," therefore making it impossible to respond to you.  However, I'm sure you've noticed America is divided 50-50 along the 2 major party lines, and that judges assigned to positions have either an "R" or a "D" after their name.  One of those is going to blame Myspace.com, the other is going to blame the moron who actually committed the rape.  If you don't know which is which, you haven't been paying attention.
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Re: Your Judicial Philosophy
« Reply #35 on: June 23, 2006, 12:07 AM »


Indeed. This could be good. Pass the salt.

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Re: Your Judicial Philosophy
« Reply #36 on: June 23, 2006, 12:11 AM »
If he shows up in here within the next few minutes before I hit the hay, you guys may be needing this one:

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Re: Your Judicial Philosophy
« Reply #37 on: June 23, 2006, 12:48 AM »
Dressel, I've been reading this thread since it started. I'm aware of the terms you're trying not to use, initials "R" and "D" aside. I've been paying attention.

I asked you a question about your source of information. Judicial appointments don't necessarily correlate with the results of a Presidential election. Where are you getting your numbers? Even if you could support your 50-50 split, how do you infer that someone on the bench would would rule in such a polarized manner on this case based on their political affiliation? So again, where are you getting your numbers?

I think Ryan did a great job explaining the lack of substance in this suit, including the possible motivation of the attorney based on his primary legal experience. His question is the same as mine: what does this case really have to do with anyone's judicial philosophy?

PS. The pm you sent me with the subject line "shut up" and the body message "yeah" wasn't very specific, or polite.
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Re: Your Judicial Philosophy
« Reply #38 on: June 23, 2006, 03:51 AM »
7/8 the time you don't cite any relevant source, and the other 1/8 it's Fox News.

But. . .  but. . .

Aww, nevermind.

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Re: Your Judicial Philosophy
« Reply #39 on: June 23, 2006, 10:30 AM »
Hmmmm... seems like every single person in this thread believes that myspace is not at fault - is that to say that everyone in here has an R next to their name?  I'm pretty confident that I don't. 


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Re: Your Judicial Philosophy
« Reply #40 on: June 23, 2006, 11:08 AM »
This is the dumbest thing I think I have ever read:

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America is divided 50-50 along the 2 major party lines, and that judges assigned to positions have either an "R" or a "D" after their name.  One of those is going to blame Myspace.com, the other is going to blame the moron who actually committed the rape.

Dressel, despite what you've been programmed to believe and regurgitate, cases like this have little, if anything, to do with political persuasion or idealogical bents.  Tort cases are, by and large, decided upon the factual and legal merits of the case (there are some exceptions pertaining to peripheral issues, like damage caps and statutory immunity, etc., but this case is so far from those peripheral issues that discussing them in the same context would be premature).  So I wasn't just baiting you, I was genuinely curious as to why you think "judicial philosophy" has anything to do with a case like this?

To come back with the suggestion that Democrats would make an inane decision and Republicans would make a good one is absurd for several reasons, but I'll list just a couple:  1) it presumes a connection between "judicial philosophy" and declared political allegiance.  Despite the conservatives' best efforts, the judiciary is an apolitical branch of government.  With some notable exceptions impertinent to this discussion, liberalism and conservatism are vastly different notions in the courts than on the beltway; 2) it completely ignores the procedural and substantive aspects of the law that have far more influence on the outcome of cases like this than the political persuasions, or judicial philosophies, for that matter, of trial court judges.

There's a procedural mechanism in place that provides for dismissal of cases that fail to state a claim for which relief can be granted.  Depending on the parties' various arguments on the nature of the plaintiffs' claims, this case will likely be decided (and my prediction, disposed of) at that juncture.  Whether the trial court judge is a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian or Socialist will have no bearing on the procedural posture and disposition of the case.

The plaintiffs' tort claims do not invoke any constitutional rights, therefore the various judicial approaches to constitutional interpretation won't become an issue.  It's not like this is a habeas corpus petition challenging Fourth Amendment jurisprudence, or a civil rights claim raising issues about the nature of fundamental rights.  It's simply a question of whether MySpace owed a legal duty to protect its users from offline encounters, and if so, whether that duty was breached--all in all, a fairly objective inquiry that has nothing to do with the trial judge's "judicial philosophy."

So what does it have to do with this case, other than your kneejerk tendency to blame everything you don't like or think is stupid on liberals and/or Democrats?
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Re: Your Judicial Philosophy
« Reply #41 on: June 23, 2006, 11:12 AM »
Hmmmm... seems like every single person in this thread believes that myspace is not at fault - is that to say that everyone in here has an R next to their name?  I'm pretty confident that I don't. 



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Re: Your Judicial Philosophy
« Reply #42 on: June 23, 2006, 11:15 AM »


The plaintiffs' tort claims do not invoke any constitutional rights,


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Re: Your Judicial Philosophy
« Reply #43 on: June 23, 2006, 11:19 AM »
Hmmmm... seems like every single person in this thread believes that myspace is not at fault - is that to say that everyone in here has an R next to their name?  I'm pretty confident that I don't. 



I'm confident that a "D" judge would rule against myspace.com, and probably impose enough rules, regulations, and financial hardship that it'd shut down.  There's enough examples out there that I know I'm right.  Yeah, if it is appealed all the way to the Supreme Court, after millions of dollars and time in expenses, that court would probably overturn it.  Probably  not worth the effort.

Take a look at Smith and Wesson.  Some moron of a father leaves his loaded gun in a place where it's not locked up like it should be.  Kid finds it and shoots his friend.   Smith & Wesson was in the financial crosshairs. The Lib, er certain left leaning politicians threatened to sue Smith & Wesson and all other U.S. gunmakers for contributing to gun violence, specifically in federal housing projects. Thirty U.S. cities had already filed class-action suits. Facing staggering legal cost, Smith & Wesson decided it would rather change than fight.

Columbine.  2 idiots shoot a bunch of their classmates.  The likes of Michael Moore blame Walmart because they sell ammunition.  This is totally idiotic.  Same idea here.

Rhode Island.  Someone driving a leased car hits another person causing injury.  The court rules that the company that leased the car, not the driver, is responsible.  $28 million awarded to the injured person.



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Re: Your Judicial Philosophy
« Reply #44 on: June 23, 2006, 11:22 AM »


To come back with the suggestion that Democrats would make an inane decision and Republicans would make a good one is absurd for several reasons, but I'll list just a couple:  1) it presumes a connection between "judicial philosophy" and declared political allegiance.  Despite the conservatives' best efforts, the judiciary is an apolitical branch of government.  With some notable exceptions impertinent to this discussion, liberalism and conservatism are vastly different notions in the courts than on the beltway;

You have got to be joking.  Or high.  I am done disputing this absurd claim of your's by mentioning just a single recent case that everybody knows about.  Ready?

Gore vs. Bush, Florida 2000

Decided purely right down party lines - First in the Florida Supreme Court where that kangaroo court of 7 purely liberal judges gave it to Gore, and then again when appealed all the way to the Federal Supreme Court, where thank God sanity prevailed.

Game.  Set.  Match.
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