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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #585 on: May 3, 2016, 04:53 PM »
Something tells me that Littlefinger may make a play for King's Landing at some point.  Especially in light of that speech.  He's been at odds with Cersei in the past.  And the Lannister hold on the Iron Throne seems to be growing more tenuous with each passing day.  Cersei's also afraid of the witch's prophecy coming true, and that her son Tommen may be fated to die as well.  If that comes to pass, I could certainly see the potential for Littlefinger to be involved.
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« Reply #586 on: May 3, 2016, 05:04 PM »
I've wondered if he is mixed up with the High Sparrow in some way.

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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #587 on: May 3, 2016, 05:53 PM »
I could see that Dave.  The only thing that plays against it is his hold is weak really if Tommen were to order things otherwise.  I never quite got what the "fear" of the high sparrow and his followers was ultimately. 

Then again it's another element of chaos. 

I have to imagine a smirk on Balish's face when a raven delivered the news of Tywin's death, and Tyrions disappearance.  It's all things that benefit him by weakening the South.

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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #588 on: May 3, 2016, 06:39 PM »
Littlefinger is a master manipulator.  I could certainly see how he might have fed information about the Lannisters to the High Sparrow so that he had his devout followers would aid in taking down the Lannisters.  But I don't think he's working with the High Sparrow directly.  Especially since the followers of the High Sparrow wound up taking down some of Littlefinger's houses of ill repute in Kings Landing.  It may have just been some measure of token offering to the High Sparrow's followers.  A sacrifice perhaps, while Littlefinger consolidates his power in the Vale as Warden of the East.
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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #589 on: May 3, 2016, 08:54 PM »
I think the Lannister sins all came from their cousin Cersi was riding while Jamie was otherwise occupied.  He seemed to rat them out...  Though why he had the sudden about-face never seemed to have an explanation that I recall.  I also forget his name, just remember he was a bit of a *****.
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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #590 on: May 4, 2016, 12:06 AM »
Lancel.

I wonder if Littlefinger will find the Vale not as safe as he thought when either the dragons or whir walkers arrive.

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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #591 on: May 4, 2016, 12:10 AM »
It's pretty safe physically but yeah, those wouldn't be good problems.  However, safe from others, it sure seems it.  And would Littlefinger mind the dragons?  Or rather, would the dragons mind him I guess.

But he's got a pretty solid situation up there right now...  He's got that kid...  Lupus from the Bad News Bears.  He's got military power...  He's sitting pretty (high).
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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #592 on: May 4, 2016, 10:52 AM »
I think the Lannister sins all came from their cousin Cersi was riding while Jamie was otherwise occupied.  He seemed to rat them out...  Though why he had the sudden about-face never seemed to have an explanation that I recall.  I also forget his name, just remember he was a bit of a *****.

Lancel Lannister.  And in the words of Robert Baratheon, "What a stupid name!"  That guy really was a simp.  But now that he's a follower of the High Sparrow?  He seems much more of a pawn rather than any sort of a real player with legitimate ambition.  He seemed to be almost cowering during the Battle of the Blackwater.

I wouldn't put it past Littlefinger to use the High Sparrow and his followers as some sort of proxy to take down the Lannisters.  And he tried to make inroads with the North by marrying off Sansa to Ramsey Bolton.  I suspect that we're going to see Littlefinger at some point soon.  But I think things will have to play out in the North before he gets moved to some sort of action.
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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #593 on: May 9, 2016, 07:58 AM »
Another solid episode.  Jon seemed genuinely shocked, as did Melisandre.  Although since I saw this coming I don't know how shocked everyone in the audience might have been.  As for the events of last night? For a moment, I thought Jon was going to have some measure of mercy on the men that killed him. But that didn't happen at all.

The green sight scene of Bran travelling back to see the events at the Tower of Joy was definitely something to behold. Ser Arthur Dayne was a badass! And I thought Ned was in some serious trouble there. I did not see that engagement ending the way it did. But Ned clearly owed his life to Howland Reed, no matter how he took out Dayne. As for when they left that scene? It was telling that they want to stretch out Bran's visions. But the dialogue leading up to the fight between Ned and his men with the Targaryen Kings Guard was even more telling. When Ned said that the Mad King was dead, and Prince Rhaegar had died at the Trident, I'm pretty sure that I heard Arthur Dayne say something to the effect that they were there at the Tower of Joy to protect their prince. That lends a lot of weight to the whole R + L = J theory.

Arya seems like she's turned a corner with the Faceless Men. Especially with the Waif, who's just been merciless with her. Although the Waif did seem to have an odd level of fascination with Arya's death list. it seems very likely that she's also originally from Westeros, and may be of a similar mind to Arya.

And just when you thought that the Starks were becoming resurgent, what happens? Rickon Stark and Osha wind up in the hands of Ramsay Bolton. And that f***ing traitorous Lord Umber killed Shaggydog! The show has really been brutal towards the dire wolves. But you have to seriously fear for Rickon's safety.
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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #594 on: May 9, 2016, 09:17 AM »
No doubt the R + L = J theory is confirmed, IMO.

As esteemed an actor Sydow is, I'm not real happy with what they've done to the Three Eyed Raven.  The way he looked at the end of Season 4 was awesome.  I guess Sydow has the pull to avoid time in the make-up chair, so now he looks like a puppet in one of the trees on Mr. Rogers.  This was amazing...



I like Arya's story better in the book.  Basically, she cheated to get cured of her blindness (which was the result of intentional poisoning, not an effect of using masks), which left the window open for her retaining free will.  Here it looks like she's going full-on faceless, which is disappointing.

And Daenerys' story has pretty much hit a wall.  Seems like we're looking at a long stretch of garbage before she gets to do anything interesting again.

Sorry to do nothing but pick nits.  It just seems like a lot of stories have stalled out right now.
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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #595 on: May 9, 2016, 11:52 AM »
I really liked the Tower of Joy battle.  That was cool.

Overall though I thought last night's episode was just "meh". 

Sometimes I feel they try and include too many story lines in too small of bits to really feel like any one of them is going anywhere.  There must have been over ten different story lines going last night with only a few minutes each. 

I would rather they just ignore a story line for a few episodes if necessary.  Kind of like how they left Bran out of all of last season.  I think the only main story lines (that they've touched on this year) they left out was Sansa's and the Iron Islands leadership change.

Maybe all those story lines were necessary as they set up something critical later, but I felt they could have left out Tyrion's, Varys' little birds, the small council, and the Tommen / High Sparrow meeting, for starters.  And Dany's story line doesn't seem overly connected at this point, so I almost wish they would leave her out of a few episodes and then devote a larger chunk every few weeks.

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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #596 on: May 9, 2016, 01:40 PM »
Oh yeah - the little birds being street urchins was stupid, too.   :P
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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #597 on: May 9, 2016, 04:13 PM »
Just like Arya's, my list of people I want to see die is getting shorter too. Suck it, Ollie, you little sociopath. And double-suck it, Ser Allister. The world is better off without both of you.  ;D

Agree the stuff with Dany and Mereen really makes the whole story drag noticeably. Would be happy to skip anything outside of Westeros for a few episodes.

The Tower of Joy stuff should be good when they get more into it. Still thinking R + L = J & M but we'll see.

Did Rickon crawl out of a time warp? He looked about 10 years older. Sucks that he's in the clutches of the Boltons now. I assume we'll be treated to another gory end because Martin sure enjoys killing Starks. Please just make it quick and spare us eight episodes of torture-porn with Ramsey...
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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #598 on: May 10, 2016, 06:19 AM »
I thought it was well established that Varys's little birds were street urchins.  It certainly seemed that way to me from reading the books.  They were all over Kings Landing, beneath the notice of most and in positions to overhear conversations.  And you can see them in the show as well.  Plus, when you take into account the scene from book 5 when Varys killed Kevan Lannister with the crossbow in an effort to further destabilize the Lannister hold on the Iron Throne.  Varys was surrounded by his "Little birds".
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Re: A Game of Thrones (HBO)
« Reply #599 on: May 10, 2016, 09:23 AM »

Agree the stuff with Dany and Mereen really makes the whole story drag noticeably. Would be happy to skip anything outside of Westeros for a few episodes.


The books are the same way, it was a slow read through Dany's chapters.


The Tower of Joy stuff should be good when they get more into it. Still thinking R + L = J & M but we'll see.


That's a TV theory because the actors playing J and M look like they could be related.  They look nothing alike in the books, I'd be shocked if it were true.  I wholeheartedly agree with R+L=J though and it's practically confirmed now.


Did Rickon crawl out of a time warp? He looked about 10 years older. Sucks that he's in the clutches of the Boltons now. I assume we'll be treated to another gory end because Martin sure enjoys killing Starks. Please just make it quick and spare us eight episodes of torture-porn with Ramsey...

I think Umber and Osha are double crossing Ramsey.  I don't think that was Shaggydog and he didn't bend the knee to Ramsey, so it could work.  The North Remembers, remember.  It's a huge risk, as Ramsey is a complete pyscho and probably moreso that the "fockin' ****" Roose is out of the way.
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