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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #360 on: September 25, 2017, 06:06 PM »
Why couldn't CBS just put it on Showtime instead? They could add gratuitous nudity to it just like the first season of Stargate SG-1 had. That's what Star Trek needs - Boobies!
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #361 on: September 25, 2017, 07:02 PM »
When I was discussing this with some people on social media I likened this rollout of the show to a drug deal:  the first hit is free.  After that you've got to pay!

What did I take from the show?  It does seem a bit more in line with the JJ Abrams reboot universe in terms of design, the technology and the look of the Klingons among them.  Although the language does seem consistent with what had been established in movies and the various syndicated series.

I liked Michelle Yeoh as Captain Georgiou.  And Sonequa Martin-Green was really good, although I only watched the pilot.  As for James Frain as Sarek?  It has to be tough for an actor to play a Vulcan, given the lack of emotions.  But if this show is in line with the new movie timeline, I wonder why they might not have cast Ben Cross as Sarek, since he played the role in the JJ Abrams reboot?  Don't get me started on Anthony Michael Hall as a Starfleet Admiral.  That took me out of that scene.

I'm also struck by one point that I read about before the show aired.  That being what had been this Gene Roddenberry "golden rule" that TOS and syndicated shows had never really broken.  Evidently, there was never any sort of open conflict between starfleet personnel in those shows.  I recognize the philosophy behind it, and that Roddenberry had this idealized vision of how humanity might be unified in a 23rd century world.  I suspect that some of that idealism was a product of the time when TOS was produced, but is it realistic?  And this new show seems prepared to break that rule.  Hence some of the conflict between Captain Georgiou and First Officer Burnham about how to engage the Klingons.

I'm intrigued by the show.  But I don't feel as invested overall in Trek as most Trekkers do.  I thought it was a decent show to watch, and the look and effects of this show are lightyears beyond where TOS was in terms of production values.  I'd like to watch it, but we have a budget.  And watching Discovery on CBS's streaming platform doesn't fit in there.
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #362 on: September 25, 2017, 07:05 PM »
So is this show moving to a streaming-only platform after broadcasting the first couple episodes?  I'm confused why people who have cable TV are complaining about signing up for a service.

Yes, after the first episode.

I guess if anyone has disposable income to blow on a single-series streaming subscription, it's Star Trek nerds...

Why couldn't CBS just put it on Showtime instead? They could add gratuitous nudity to it just like the first season of Stargate SG-1 had. That's what Star Trek needs - Boobies!

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #363 on: September 25, 2017, 07:10 PM »
Where's the like button?
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #364 on: September 25, 2017, 08:00 PM »
I'm also struck by one point that I read about before the show aired.  That being what had been this Gene Roddenberry "golden rule" that TOS and syndicated shows had never really broken.  Evidently, there was never any sort of open conflict between starfleet personnel in those shows.  I recognize the philosophy behind it, and that Roddenberry had this idealized vision of how humanity might be unified in a 23rd century world.

This 'rule' was only imposed by Roddenberry on the TNG staff, which they promptly circumvented and DS9 ignored. I've also seen some of the discussion you're referring to about it, and it's odd that this would be the sticking point for some people. At the time, the rule as rightly considered prohibiting by the fans and creatives alike. Like you said, it isn't realistic. Drama is inherently conflict, and utopian values aside, you've got to have something happening.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #365 on: September 25, 2017, 10:44 PM »



Some people complained about that scene.

It was the least thing wrong with INTO DARKNESS.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #366 on: September 26, 2017, 12:26 AM »
The scene was gratuitous, but then pretty much everything was in ID. On the scale, though, you're totally right.

I was thinking more about the Discovery premiere, and I got to thinking - I know what the problem with the set up is i.e. Burnham.

SPOILERS

Georgiou's death should have been the trigger for this emotional crisis she faces, after perhaps repressing it all her life, growing up as a Vulcan. Right now we're left thinking the encounter with the Klingons triggers this memory and emotion she's been repressing, but she's fairly emotive (logical, sure, though not critical) and all of that undercuts what I think is meant to be her arc. She's shown as spirited and competitive, in direct opposition to how she first arrives on the Shenzou (well, she's always competitive) and her trajectory in the two episodes is less about her emotional disposition than her mental one.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #367 on: September 27, 2017, 08:49 PM »
Don't get me started on Anthony Michael Hall as a Starfleet Admiral.  That took me out of that scene.

That actually wasn't Anthony Michael Hall - it was Terry Serpico, or as I like to call him "Anthony Michael Hall Lite"

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #368 on: November 13, 2017, 10:53 AM »
Anyone else stick with CBS All-access for Star Trek Discovery?  Mid-season finale aired last night.  I really enjoyed these first 9 episodes.  Probably my favorite show that I'm currently watching.  It helped that we already invested in the CBS All-access for some of the other content.