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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #225 on: December 15, 2017, 12:00 AM »
I’m with you jman. It wasn’t terrible, but it was really uneven and I’m leaning towards disappointed.

Gripes:
- bomber scene with WWII style bomb bay and gravity like bombs was weird.
- canto bight was completely pointless
- Laura dern and benicio del torro casting bugged
- the slow mo space chase was beyond comprehension with the worst being the kamikaze crashing of snokes ship. If it’s that easy to kill a big ship why didn’t they do that with the first two Death Stars?
- porgs
- the Luke and Rey training was weird
- goofy Yoda. Wtf
- BB-8 in a Scout Walker (and most scrnes with BB8)

Good things
- Rey and kylo dynamic
- Finn and rose dynamic
- battle vs the praetorians

Ultimately it was okay but after what I perceived to be awesome movies with TFA and RO this was a let down.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #226 on: December 15, 2017, 12:13 AM »
Canto Bight was dumb. The porgs were forced. Definitely a choppy movie.

I really liked the Kylo and Rey stuff. And the Kylo and Snoke stuff. I also liked Luke's "issues".

They could have so easily had Kylo go another route and I'm glad they didn't.

I want to know more about Snoke
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #227 on: December 15, 2017, 12:16 AM »
Just got out too.  Wow!  There's a lot to process.  A few shockers there.  Namely Snoke.  Unsure about Phasma's role.  It seemed like they brought her back just to bring her back and give her the fight she should have had in TFA.

Oh!  And who's idea was it to put a horror movie trailer before a Star Wars movie?  My daughter was freaked out.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #228 on: December 15, 2017, 12:17 AM »
I'm still trying to process a lot of what I saw, but I wasn't exactly blown away, at least in comparison to some of the hype I had seen leading up to the film. It was fun, and I enjoyed it for sure, but I thought overall Rogue One was a much better film.

Liked: space battles, all the new ships, even the absurdly large Imperial ones, Rose, the crazy ass chick from American Horror Story, Vice Admiral Holdo, all the weird Jedi stuff on Act-To

Didn't like: Something was off with del Toros performance and it left me feeling like he was wasted in that role, Hux morphing from fiery venom spewing fanatic to goofy punchline, Porgs (sorry, I tried to go in with an open mind, but it was all just too cutesy for me)

Loved: the Snoke swerve, Rey's parentage reveal, the battle with the Praetorian guards, Phasma getting offed, those bombers...

The humor felt a little forced in places to me, as it did in the last one, and there were a few pretty cringeworthy moments (Adam Driver shirtless I can't unsee) but overall I thought it set things up well for a very interesting third chapter. Luke and Leia were great I thought.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #229 on: December 15, 2017, 12:52 AM »
I loved it.  Really glad I went in fresh without any spoilers, especially on Yoda and Luke.

Loved the Kylo/Rey/Luke stuff.  Loved the Snoke stuff.  Loved pretty much everything, even the porgs.  :D
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #230 on: December 15, 2017, 02:03 AM »
I just got back from the first showing and am still trying to process it all.  It was an amazing film and a worthy sequel, IMHO.  Like another member said, it felt different from the other Star Wars films, which I am GI e with.  I did not want to see it be a straight up rehash of ESB - and while there were many parallels - it was not the same film in different clothing.

So what did I like? The space battles, the bombers and A-Wings in terms of the ships.  I enjoyed the Finn/Rose paring, Poe squaring off with Holdo, the Rey/Kylo interactions, Rey/Luke interactions, and the fact that Luke was a grouchy old mess.  Yoda’s ghost was the biggest surprise for me...  Yeah he was goofy, but he was in ESB as well and the TLJ Yoda felt more like the OT version than what we say in the Prequels...  Luke’s spiritual fight at the end was great.

That said, what did I not like?  I felt the Canto Bight scene was not entirely necessary.  The visuals were neat, just it seemed out of place.  The Porgs and those peasant reptiles on Ach-To were forced as well.  Glad Chewbacca cooked up a Porg, though!  I was also really surprised they killed off Snoke so soon...  For such a mysterious and powerful being, he met his end too quickly.  Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious was a FAR better character.  I also wasn’t too thrilled with how Leia got blow out into space, but somehow survived for however long and then used the Force to spirit herself back onto the ship...  Just seemed a bit too much to me and she should have died right then and there!  And Admiral Ackbar died!!  I also wasn’t too thrilled with Benicio del Toro’s character, it felt under used, but I could see him showing up in the next film in some fashion...

But all that said, I did enjoy the movie and want to see it again.


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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #231 on: December 15, 2017, 08:30 AM »
I have thought about this since last night. The only thing I didn't like was Canto Bight (and DJ subsequently being there forcefully), but I still feel disappointed. Not sure what to think of that......
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #232 on: December 15, 2017, 09:16 AM »
I fell like they worked very hard to erase a lot of things from TFA (Snoke, Resistance, destruction of Ren's helmet).  I really liked the movie.  I agree that the Canto Bight stuff was pure padding, but it did give us what will surely evolve into a Rey-Finn-Rose triangle for E9.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #233 on: December 15, 2017, 10:41 AM »
I saw it last night and I'm still trying to process it.  Like you, Jeff, I'm glad I went in spoiler free.

Overall, I thought it was a good movie, it definitely did not play it safe and I like the few surprises Rian threw in (Yoda, Snoke's demise, Kylo's conflict, etc).  I agree to a point on the Canto Bight scenes...but didn't mind them at all.  DJ's betrayal was kind of odd because I do not know how he had time to betray Rose and Finn....but he could have sent a communication while he was hacking terminals.

The opening scene with Luke was pretty great though.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #234 on: December 15, 2017, 02:24 PM »
I share a lot of the Canto Bight sentiments...it really was there to build up the relationship of Rose and Finn but it fell flat...and made no sense.  Why not have the hacker be part of the Resistence already and why not just have Finn use his FO knowledge to get into the ship...

I had a little trouble suspending disbelief on the slow moving get away and them just picking off ships one by one instead of full thruster assault or sending out their TIE fleet

The bombing run also had a little suspension of disbelief as well but it was still a cool sequence

Overall though I really really loved it

The 3 scenes I said mesmerized me on Twitter were:

Slicing the Super Duper Mega SD in two...it was awesome and I heard audible gasps in the audience when that happened
Luke getting bombarded by the Super Duper Mega AT-ATs at the end and coming out and brushing off his shoulder
Luke staring at the setting two suns on Ach-To was a fitting end to his physical story...can't wait to see how they use his force ghost in Episode IX

I've heard complaint about Yoda (that was my son's biggest gripe) and the Force Connection thing but I was OK with both


I don't believe Kylo in that Rey was abandoned by 2 drunks...I'm pretty sure the gave is hinting that she is like Anakin Skywalker "The New Chosen One" and was begotten, not made

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #235 on: December 15, 2017, 02:33 PM »
My initial reaction to the movie was, “Holy balls that was awesome!” which is true.  I was quite impressed immediately.  But there were some things that didn’t quite work for me and I see many others are saying quite to same thing.

Things I liked:
    -   I thought Finn was better in this film, not quite cowboy in his mannerisms as he was in TFA (which took me out of the film in TFA)
    -   The Dark Side Upside Down:  Rey’s trippy walk through that realm was pretty cool, though not as dark as the Tree on Dagobah
    -   Rose: she made an interesting partner to Finn and I enjoyed her part.
    -   Yoda: I did not expect to see him show up.
    -   The Crait scene… the walkers were under-utilized though.
    -   Leia: a nice farewell film for her.
    -   It was good to see Luke again and some of the conflict he faced since Jedi.  His powers were impressive in the end… but I don’t really understand the reason for his fate.  What happened?  It was simply his time?  Expended too much force energy?
    -   Rey had some interesting conflict as well and ultimately had to face a decision with the course of her destiny and her past.
    -   The Rey/Kylo force facetimes.
    -   Porgs.  (I guess poor Chewie feels bad about cooking one).
    -   Poe.  One damn good pilot and some character development when Leia is teaching him one lesson after another, grooming him to be the military leader of the Rebellion.  (aside: I actually thought it was Finn who would be in this role.  From FO Stormtrooper to some General).

Whaaat? (questions and things I didn’t like):
    -   Snoke.  I thought the Supreme Leader was supposed to be menacing and more powerful than Kylo Ren.  Snoke obviously was more powerful than Rey in diverting her lightsaber by to him.  Perhaps he was blinded in his glee to kill Rey.  But I was surprised when Kylo killed him.  And a bit saddened that we didn’t learn much about him and his origins.
    -   Pretty much all the “known” or recently introduced Resistance characters were killed off rather quickly.  Goodbye, Snap.  Farewell, Tallie.  Well done, Paige.  So long, Ackbar.  Do svidania, Holdo. 
    -   Speaking of deceased pilots, how did Kylo torpedo the hangar bay deep within some tube and manage to pull out without dying himself?
    -   The Mary Poppins moment: Leia’s force flight through space to get back to the ship.  I thought that was probably the end of her.
    -   The Phasma curse: Badass Phasma, who’s only in the movie for about 5 minutes, gets bested again by Finn and dies (not by Finn).  Probably the worst Star Wars villain ever written.  I feel this character had so much potential, but was left lacking, and I feel bad for Gwendoline Christie that her role was reduced to such garbage.  This battle between her and Finn should have been at least a draw or Finn losing to be save by Rose or BB-8 and resolved next round… that is if the writers actually give Phasma an interesting role.
    -   Speaking of Phasma, how come that hangar is all but destroyed around Finn and Rose and they are the only survivors?  Where did the rest of the people go?  Phasma, who was right next to them comes march across the bay later.
    -   The Hux?  What happened to his character?  He was fanatical and self-assured in TFA.  It seemed like he came across as incompetent this time and the butt of the jokes. 
    -   The Resistance can easily take out the huge Destroyers.  Just one bomber can do the trick.
    -   And why didn’t the support Destroyers do anything at all during this whole movie besides look menacing.
    -   Chewie and Artoo are under-utilized.
    -   The need to kill off one of the main three in the new movies.
    -   Canto Bight.  Why were we there again?  Seems too long and not much happens.  Also, during the chase scene and they are running through casinos… where are all the patrons??  Every room they went through was empty, except the one gambler that kept feeding BB-8 coins.
    -   DJ.  I’m not sure where I sit on this character.  It just explained why he’s turned on Rose and Finn.  And because of the decision to go with DJ instead of their ‘target’, their mission fails.
    -   Maz:  her scene ended up useless in the end and kind of seemed forced.  It was too distracting watching her hologram as she’s fighting some unseen foe.
    -   According to Yoda, Rey really didn’t need any tutelage from Luke.  She understands it, so she’ll figure it out.
    -   Tracking Resistance ships in hyperspace: I wish this was explained better at how this was accomplished.
    -   Resistance ship’s shields are stronger than being bombarded by FO warships??  I find it hard to believe when the FO has the tech to trace their ships through hyperspace.
    -   Yoda and his silly antics: he behaved crazy on Dagobah to test Luke, but why now? 

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #236 on: December 15, 2017, 02:49 PM »
I don't believe Kylo in that Rey was abandoned by 2 drunks...I'm pretty sure the gave is hinting that she is like Anakin Skywalker "The New Chosen One" and was begotten, not made

I would 100% be okay with her being from two anonymous dead drunks.  I think at times Star Wars tries to tie too many things together in some pseudo-logical manner.  If she has a royal Jedi lineage they'll have to spend half a movie explaining why she was left behind, etc. and I'm not sure its relevant or critical to the story.  I kind of like that she is from nowhere, has Jedi powers, and wants to be part of the battle against evil.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #237 on: December 15, 2017, 03:47 PM »
BTW did Fox still have all of the rights to A New Hope Aliens?  I understand Abrams Edwards and Johnson all want to make their own new freaky designs but NOT including Rodians or Aquilish just seems weird...Canto Bight would have resonated a little more for me with some familiar "faces" in the crowd

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #238 on: December 15, 2017, 04:54 PM »
I don’t believe Ren about Rey’s lineage.
I don't either. Ive always assumed she won in TFA because he knows who she really is and wouldn't Slaughter her similar to Vader fighting Luke on bespin. If his statements about her parents are true from this movie verbatim then they got a pretty dumb plot hole going on.

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« Reply #239 on: December 15, 2017, 05:45 PM »
The thing I struggle with Kylo knowing about her parentage is why would he know it and Luke wouldn't?  If she were a child that was part of the Jedi training crew Luke would remember her.  If Kylo Ren can figure something out with the force, don't you think Luke could?