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Ryan:
The way I see it, the Jedi that have learned to live on in spirit form are a lot like the ascended Ancients in Stargate. They have the power to communicate with corporeal beings but the choose not to because everyone must reach the path to enlightenment themselves. I think the Jedi must have a similar philosophy. They want Luke and the future Jedi to find the way themselves and not be reliant on a bunch of old dead guys. Whether or not the others would try and stop them, like the Ancients do in Stargate, I'm not sure. It makes sense that they would though, in a lot of Sci-Fi higher beings do not interfere with the little guys. That's just my intereptation anyways.

CorranHorn:

--- Quote from: Sith Lord Chaos on August 15, 2005, 01:47 AM ---The way I see it, the Jedi that have learned to live on in spirit form are a lot like the ascended Ancients in Stargate. They have the power to communicate with corporeal beings but the choose not to because everyone must reach the path to enlightenment themselves. I think the Jedi must have a similar philosophy. They want Luke and the future Jedi to find the way themselves and not be reliant on a bunch of old dead guys. Whether or not the others would try and stop them, like the Ancients do in Stargate, I'm not sure. It makes sense that they would though, in a lot of Sci-Fi higher beings do not interfere with the little guys. That's just my intereptation anyways.

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I agree and I think that's sorta the point JJ tried to get across. Having the deceased Jedi continuously communicating with the living Jedi wouldn't necessarily help them grow as Jedi (the living Jedi that is). There has to be a point where the deceased, or as Ryan said the ascended Jedi move on, to perhaps contemplate the greater Force and leave behind all that there is in the mortal world.

Matt: as for the Anakin visions Jacen had, you're right they weren't real. According to the new book "The Joiner King" Jacen had 2 visions of Anakin, one that was induced by a vong beast on Coruscant as a means of a trap, and the other was Zonama Sekot communicating with Jacen.

Jesse James:
Exactly...  I don't think that's reaching at all.  That's growth.  You can't have your master hold your hand for life.  It's like when Luke went to confront Vader/Emperor...

Why wouldn't/couldn't Obi-Wan help him there?  Seems to me that your own free-will and growth are important aspects of becoming a Jedi Master.  You have to grow, and you can't do that if you're constantly being hand-held by someone...  Maybe the dead Jedi realized that and Obi-Wan saw it was Luke's time to become his own man and re-establish the Jedi Order as he saw fit.

I find it very interesting then the way that the NJO comes about as allowing attachment and stuff...  The perils still exist for them that they had previously, but it sorta curbs the possibility of Vader-ish things happening.  I dig that way that EU tied in sorta (but not really) with ROTS.  Freaky.

Nathan:
I agree with JJ, Corran, and Sith Lord Chaos' interpretations.


And even if you don't buy the "cutting the strings with the mortal world" explanation, here's another theory:

We know Qui-Gon hadn't completely worked out the whole immortality thing, which is why he could only speak as a voice and not manifest as a spirit. I gather he, Yoda, and Ben worked together on the Force ghost trick (but I think I read somewhere that Qui-Gon would never be able to do more than the voice). So maybe the best they could do was keep it up for a decade or so, and were unable to sustain it beyond that point, because Qui-Gon hadn't received the complete instruction and the other two had only learned it secondhand.


For Qui-Gon's 13+ years versus Ben's 8, there's two possible explanations:

a) It takes less effort to appear in voice form so he could keep it up longer (seems plausible to me)

b) Qui-Gon had been taught directly by the Shaman of the Whills, whereas Ben only learned it secondhand from QG. Could be the knowledge was diluted or lost something in translation. (A really weak explanation, I know.)


As for Yoda ... well maybe after 900 years and two major wars he was just burnt out and wanted to wash his hands of the entire thing. He probably figured Luke and Ben's spirit had things under control.

jedipurge:
lots of great "point of views" here, but all in all nobody from tim zahn on had any idea what lucas had in store for the prequels they only did their best guess and effort to continue the series and i'm sure a lot of us out there appreciate their efforts even if you're not a big EU fan.  their efforts have brought about the rebirth of the Star Wars franchise who knows if tim hadn't written anything or if others hadn't followed him if there would even had been prequels, it was what over 10 years since rotj had come out till heir to the empire.  star wars had all but been forgoten about.  BUT and it's a big BUT after the prequels are now complete there are big flaws in the connections between the films and the EU.
if anybody wants to make a list please do, i'm tempted to start my own but i don't think i'd have the time. 
so here's a couple things:
the emporer doesn't look like that cause he's so filled with the dark side, that it has scewed up his face he got shot in the face with lightning, and following that why would his clones begin to look like that even if they aged faster or were flawed.

r2-d2 knows everything-do i have to say anymore.

midichlorians?  has that even been brought up in the EU?  i'm sure there's not a that big of mystery as to what they are.

clone(s)/ing-big deal made in dark force rising about them running around but it's been going on for years and according to that guy on Kamino in EP II it was there "finest yet" so it's not even like the Republic was the first to have a clone army.  i know somewhere they tried to come up with an explanation for this but to me it came off really really weak.

luke & leia have real family out there and i'm not talking adoptive or step family but blood relatives.  padme's family was at her funeral.  well they don't know who there mother was so how are they supposed to know about?  them you might say.  once again R2, and you're not telling me that obi, yoda, and especially Anakin seeing how important family was to him didn't tell luke or leia about that.  none of them could give the super twins her name?

now i know i'm ranting and raving here and it's not to put down the EU world or those who are fans of it, i myself was one until the whole Vong thing came about.  but the EU seems outdated if that's even the right term to use, now i know you can't just say okay let's start over again, but something has to change.

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