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Title: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 13, 2009, 04:05 PM
I just heard that the Falcons are trying to trade the rights to Vick now. Who is going to want to trade for an overrated QB that hasn't played in years and is still suspeneded? Even if a team wants (I wanted to say is dumb enough) to trade for him some day wouldn't they wait to see what the NFL is going to do when he does get out of prison?
Title: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Paul on February 13, 2009, 04:20 PM
I am crossing my fingers that Jerry Jones' blackberry is broken and he is away from his office until Al Davis makes that deal...

Title: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 13, 2009, 05:04 PM
I am crossing my fingers that Jerry Jones' blackberry is broken and he is away from his office until Al Davis makes that deal...



That's pretty hilarious........... and true!!!!! ;D
Title: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: JediJman on February 13, 2009, 05:05 PM
I just heard that the Falcons are trying to trade the rights to Vick now. Who is going to want to trade for an overrated QB that hasn't played in years and is still suspeneded? Even if a team wants (I wanted to say is dumb enough) to trade for him some day wouldn't they wait to see what the NFL is going to do when he does get out of prison?

Was he ever that good anyway?  Let's say he gets out tomorrow and there are no penalties from the NFL, is there a team that currently has a worse option at QB?  Well I suppose there's always the Vikings...
Title: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 13, 2009, 05:34 PM
I just heard that the Falcons are trying to trade the rights to Vick now. Who is going to want to trade for an overrated QB that hasn't played in years and is still suspeneded? Even if a team wants (I wanted to say is dumb enough) to trade for him some day wouldn't they wait to see what the NFL is going to do when he does get out of prison?

Was he ever that good anyway?  Let's say he gets out tomorrow and there are no penalties from the NFL, is there a team that currently has a worse option at QB?  Well I suppose there's always the Vikings...

He absolutely was never very good. AND DON'T JOKE ABOUT THE VIKINGS GETTING HIM. I don't care how bad T Jack is.

Just heard that Goodell took a $2 million pay cut to help the NFL from having to cut more jobs. Good for him. I like him more than I did before.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Jayson on February 23, 2009, 03:10 PM
Vikings close to deal for QB Rosenfel (http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=540280&catid=2)s
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 23, 2009, 03:32 PM
Vikings close to deal for QB Rosenfel (http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=540280&catid=2)s

I could deal with that!!!

I'll try not to think about the fact that the Vikings could have made the exact same trade last offseason and what that could have meant this last season. :-\
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Jayson on February 27, 2009, 10:38 AM
The deal is done. (http://wcco.com/sports/Sage.Rosenfels.vikings.2.945766.html)

Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on February 27, 2009, 01:06 PM
Haynesworth to the Skins.... Bucs just traded for Kellen Winslow - reportedly a second round pick (which makes no sense to me).
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Morgbug on February 27, 2009, 01:34 PM
Vikings close to deal for QB Rosenfel (http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=540280&catid=2)s

I guess Jackson isn't that good, but is this that much of a step up?  Rosenfals played ok in those games, but not really stellar.  I guess I'm asking if this will make a difference? 

Any word yet on who/when the Vikings get the home opener? 
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 27, 2009, 02:05 PM
Vikings close to deal for QB Rosenfel (http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=540280&catid=2)s

I guess Jackson isn't that good, but is this that much of a step up?  Rosenfals played ok in those games, but not really stellar.  I guess I'm asking if this will make a difference? 

Any word yet on who/when the Vikings get the home opener? 

I'm not saying that Rosenfel is the best QB ever, but he actually can throw a ball and with the Vikings running game and defense that is what they need. They weren't going to get a super star, but the fact they are admitting T Jack isn't their future makes me so happy.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Diddly on March 2, 2009, 08:04 PM
No comments on the Patriots? They shipped Matt Cassel off to Kansas City for a few draft picks, so I'm assuming they have a lot of faith in Tom Brady next season. They also signed Fred Taylor I assume because their running game is meh.

Also Kurt Warner is going to meet with the 49ers sometime soon.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on March 2, 2009, 10:21 PM
No comments on the Patriots? They shipped Matt Cassel off to Kansas City for a few draft picks, so I'm assuming they have a lot of faith in Tom Brady next season. They also signed Fred Taylor I assume because their running game is meh.

Also Kurt Warner is going to meet with the 49ers sometime soon.

The Cassel thing is killing me.  Reportedly the Bucs offered more than the single 2nd round pick that the Chiefs did so they could get Cassel and trade him to Denver for Cutler.

But apparently it took too long and Belichick went forward with KC.

The idea that a QB like Cutler may have been available and it didn't happen kills me.  Now the rumors are that Cutler is pissed and wants out.  And if he does, he'd better end up in Tampa.  I don't care if it costs this year's 1 and 3 and next year's 1.




Also, the Bucs just signed Derrick Ward.  Between Ward, Bryant, Winslow, Graham, and maybe Williams, the Bucs are starting to actually compile some playmakers on offense.  And, they've invested heavily in their O-line over the last 3 years. 

Now all they need is a QB, or for Luke McCown to be better than advertised.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: JediJman on March 2, 2009, 11:44 PM
I heard on the radio tonight that Houshmanzadeh was traded to Seattle.  That effectivley eliminates any interest I have in fantasy players from Cinci or Seattle next season.   :P
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on March 2, 2009, 11:52 PM
He wasn't traded.  He was a free agency and chose Seattle over Minnesota and Cinci.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: JediJman on March 2, 2009, 11:58 PM
He wasn't traded.  He was a free agency and chose Seattle over Minnesota and Cinci.

He was a free agency?   ;)  Sounds like three terrible options to me.  Time to bid farewell to a former fantasy stud.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 3, 2009, 05:40 PM
The Mpls Star Tribune is reporting the Vikings are in "ongoing negotiations" (whatever that means) with the Broncos to trade for Cutler. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let this happen.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Jesse James on March 3, 2009, 05:57 PM
Steelers lost Nate Washington to FA...  not something huge but he was an appreciated guy on depth at WR.  He'll do well on a team that doesn't have a Holmes/Ward up ahead of him.  He has skill that will flourish elsewhere I think.

He came out of Tiffin University where I've got family going to school too...  Just sorta shocked everyone.  he's their big claim to fame, haha.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Ryan on March 3, 2009, 07:51 PM
The Mpls Star Tribune is reporting the Vikings are in "ongoing negotiations" (whatever that means) with the Broncos to trade for Cutler. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let this happen.

**** THAT. The Broncos can go straight to hell if they try to move him. I'm absolutely miffed that they would have even considered trading him for Matt *******-Cassell.

Other than the Cutler trade rumors and Marshall latest run -in with the law I think the Broncos have done really well in free agency so far. Brian Dawkins was a great signing, even if we only get one or two good years out him, it will be great to have his leadership ability back there on D. I like how there will be a lot of new faces but ultimately nobody was that costly.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on March 4, 2009, 12:02 AM
The Mpls Star Tribune is reporting the Vikings are in "ongoing negotiations" (whatever that means) with the Broncos to trade for Cutler. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let this happen.

I read the same story about the Jets, Lions and Bucs today.

Every beat writer from here to London is writing that same story to sell papers.

I just heard a rumor that the Bucs, Browns, and Broncos are working on a three team deal where the Bucs send draft picks to Cleveland, the Browns send Shaun Rogers and Brady Quinn to Denver, and the Broncos send Cutler to Tampa.

There are so many stories out there at the moment it's incredible.

One thing's for sure - the Broncos are RETARDED if they let Cutler go, for any price.

And one more thing's for sure, I'll pee myself if he ends up in Tampa.


Oh, and the Bucs just signed some LB who was his best friend... to help sway him towards asking for a trade to Tampa?

Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: evenflow on March 4, 2009, 10:46 AM
The Jets have been making some good moves, but no offense in sight. Cutler would be a reat trade i just dont see it happening. If they could get him and draft a WR they may actually have a decent team that will eventually just let me down.  :P
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Diddly on March 5, 2009, 12:17 AM
YES :o

DALLAS RELEASES TERRELL OWENS!!!!!!! :D

Now, let's put that first round draft pick to good use... OH WAIT. >:(
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Matt on March 5, 2009, 12:53 AM
(http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/3410/ys2lq5.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Paul on March 5, 2009, 08:23 AM
Wow just wow.

Now cut Romo and Fire Wade Phillips.

Oh and Cut Bobby Carpenter
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 5, 2009, 08:37 AM
Wow just wow.

Now cut Romo and Fire Wade Phillips.

Oh and Cut Bobby Carpenter

I think it's hilarious they released TO.

And yeah go ahead and release Romo, then you can go pick up one of the other QBs out there that are so good. Oh wait there aren't any. Just ask the Vikings. I wouldn't be too quick to drop a younger QB who still has potential even if the big games aren't his thing so far.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Paul on March 5, 2009, 09:10 AM
I'm sure Romo is better than some that are out there, but he is tainted here.  He has no leadership ability and zero intensity.

His speech after the loss to the Ravens last season is where he lost me.  As a fan, watching a team that basically choked it's way through December (3 years in a row), I don't need my Team's QB to say that if missing the playoffs is the worse thing that ever happens to him, then he has had it pretty good (or something to that effect)...  Say that in June...not January. 

I guess I've just seen what is in Romo's bag of tricks already...fumble, int, safety, TD, Fumble, int, rinse and repeat

Oh and I forgot to add... Cut Roy Williams (the DB)... actually I have a list of about 52 people that need to be cut from last years Roster.  At least with all new players, I can expect to miss the playoffs for several years and be OK with it.   

I forsee that if TO lands on a team and they play at the new Cowboy Stadium, TO is going to run out to the midfield Star..
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 5, 2009, 09:47 AM


His speech after the loss to the Ravens last season is where he lost me.  As a fan, watching a team that basically choked it's way through December (3 years in a row), I don't need my Team's QB to say that if missing the playoffs is the worse thing that ever happens to him, then he has had it pretty good (or something to that effect)...  Say that in June...not January. 


That speech was absolutely horrible. If he was my QB I might feel the same way as you, but I think the quarterback is the most important position in all of sports and getting rid of a "good" one is a scary idea.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on March 5, 2009, 11:29 AM
Wow just wow.

Now cut Romo and Fire Wade Phillips.

Oh and Cut Bobby Carpenter

I'd can Phillips and hire Gruden.

And I'd drop Bobby Carpenter out of the top floor of the W.

But I'd keep Romo and see how he does with a new coach.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Paul on March 5, 2009, 05:10 PM
And Now Roy Williams (the safety) is gone..

If we get Bobby Carpenter news before midnight, I am going to buy a lottery ticket....

I will miss Roy Williams (like he misses receivers)..but I have been missing him since the defensive scheme changed and forced him to cover.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Jesse James on March 5, 2009, 05:34 PM
I'm not a Romo afficianado by any means, so I'm curious what his age is.  It take's QB's a while to mature into a leadership role.  Roethlisberger showed it really consistantly only this year...  A little last year.  Age/maturity finally got him to that point.

QB's who don't lead by example are a real pain in the ass though to watch.  Bringing intensity to the team is a big part of what produces a winner I think, at least out of the team's leaders.  I can't say I've seen anyone blow off a loss like Romo did.  The Penguins fired their coach this year because of the casual attitude he was bringing to the team all year.  I liked the guy, but he never got fired up about anything.   :-\  You just can't be that way in sports I think, and expect it to be accepted by the fans or the management.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 5, 2009, 05:37 PM
I think Romo, Rothlesberger and Eli Manning are all from the same class.


The good ones have a ring.   :D
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Jesse James on March 5, 2009, 05:45 PM
or two.  ;)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Paul on March 5, 2009, 06:26 PM


I think Romo was an Undrafted Free Agent in 2003.  Not sure who else was in that draft class.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on March 5, 2009, 09:13 PM
Paul is right.  Romo was undrafted, 2003.

Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Jayson on March 7, 2009, 06:51 PM
T.O. signs with Bills (http://www.nfl.com/)

Anyone have a line on how many seasons he lasts there?
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Ryan on March 7, 2009, 08:26 PM
One... And even that is a stretch.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Diddly on March 8, 2009, 01:36 PM
I love how he said in that press conference "I'll be the same player I was in Dallas." So, catching even less passes than last year and fighting with the quarterback?
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Ryan on March 8, 2009, 01:40 PM
I think Romo, Rothlesberger and Eli Manning are all from the same class.


The good ones have a ring.   :D


I think Romo was an Undrafted Free Agent in 2003.  Not sure who else was in that draft class.

Paul is right.  Romo was undrafted, 2003.



Paul and Rob are right.

Rivers, not Romo. That was the year Eli said he refused to play in San Diego if he was  drafted by them. There was that draft day trade, and San Diego and New York swapped Rivers for Manning.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 8, 2009, 02:09 PM
Oops.  Well at least the second part of my statement is true.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Jesse James on March 9, 2009, 03:55 AM
T.O. signs with Bills (http://www.nfl.com/)

Anyone have a line on how many seasons he lasts there?

Not touching this topic with a 10 foot pole. ;D
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 11, 2009, 04:03 PM
Cutler and Broncos relationship goes from "bad to worse" after conference call.

The Vikings are waiting for the phone to ring Denver. Call!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: JediJman on March 11, 2009, 06:35 PM
Not touching this topic with a 10 foot pole. ;D

Amen, brother.   ;)

Cutler and Broncos relationship goes from "bad to worse" after conference call.

The Vikings are waiting for the phone to ring Denver. Call!!!!!!!!

Um, I think the Vikes are supposed to call Cutler.  Maybe that's what went wrong with Houshmandzadeh.  Oh wait, you don't need an ace receiver with Berrian and his $16million contract out there.   ::)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: evenflow on March 12, 2009, 01:22 PM
Cutler on the Jets would be great. They should really contact Denver.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 17, 2009, 12:27 PM
People are going to have to change their tune if the Patriots get Julius Peppers for the 2nd round draft pick they traded Cassel away for.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Ryan on April 1, 2009, 05:46 PM
****!!! (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-bowlencutler033109&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

 >:( >:( >:(


April Fool's ... ?  :-\
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: JediJman on April 1, 2009, 05:56 PM
April Fool's ... ?  :-\

Given that this has been tossed around for a good month now, I think the chances of it being an April Fool's joke are pretty slim.  Not like Denver was going to contend this year anyway with Shanny gone.   ;)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Morgbug on April 1, 2009, 08:27 PM
This week's SI has comments on the whole kerfuffle in Denver as well, so I doubt it's a joke.  The SI article was interesting, if short.  Denver coach says nothing ever came of the Cassell talks because they were too late, essentially outing himself as being interested in Cassel (which is fair, but dude, smarten up). 
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on April 2, 2009, 01:11 AM
The reports are that the Jets and Bucs are the most likely destinations.  

I really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, want the Bucs to pull this off.  I'd give up this year's 1 and 3, and next year's 1 to make it happen.  I'd throw in a player or two if that's what it took.

That said, it's definitely too good to be true, so I expect him to go to the Jets (second time in a calendar year that the Jets out-do the Bucs for a quarterback) or Daniel Snyder will get it in his head that he wants Cutler and will give anything to make it happen - when that guy gets fixated on something there's no stopping him.

Mort is reporting that the Bucs are the front runners at the moment, and Bus Cook (Cutler's agent) is saying a deal could be done within 24 hours.  The only real advantage I see Tampa having is that they're in the NFC.

Please oh please oh please let him go to Tampa.

(sorry Ryan)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Ryan on April 2, 2009, 01:42 AM
Buzz Cook is a colossal douche. That is all.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on April 2, 2009, 06:44 PM
Reports all over have Cutler going to the Bears.

Allegedly for this year's 1st rounder, next year's 1st and 3rd, and Kyle Orton.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on April 2, 2009, 06:48 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: ruiner on April 2, 2009, 06:53 PM
 :-*
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on April 2, 2009, 07:01 PM
Good for you.

Now that he's not a Buc, I hope he flops.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Ryan on April 2, 2009, 07:06 PM
Kyle Orton? We might as well just start Simms...

I would have MUCH rather they went after someone like Briggs. And Chicago only has the 18th pick. What a ****** trade. >:(
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on April 2, 2009, 07:09 PM
Trust me, you do NOT want to start Chris Simms.

The guy sucks.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Ryan on April 2, 2009, 07:15 PM
Oh I'm well aware of that. I don't think Orton is a whole hell of a lot better. This season is going to suck.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on April 2, 2009, 07:17 PM
For you and me both.  I'm thinking the Bucs will be picking in the top 3 next year.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: I Am Sith on April 2, 2009, 08:45 PM
Woo-Hoo!  The Bears finally have a QB that can accurately throw the ball more than 10 yards for once this decade.  The problem is, they have no receivers that can catch the ball once it's thrown to them...  Ought to be another roller coaster of a season for us fans.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Ryan on April 2, 2009, 08:52 PM
Woo-Hoo!  The Bears finally have a QB that can accurately throw the ball more than 10 yards for once this decade.  The problem is, they have no receivers that can catch the ball once it's thrown to them...  Ought to be another roller coaster of a season for us fans.

And now we have the exact opposite problem. So much for Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal's development...
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: ruiner on April 3, 2009, 10:34 AM

Now that he's not a Buc, I hope he flops.

That's not a very nice thing to say.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on April 3, 2009, 11:29 AM
You're right, I really hope he excels and beats up on the Bucs for the next 12 years...  ::)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: ruiner on April 3, 2009, 02:14 PM
Or you could just be happy for the millions of Bears fans who have had to struggle for almost twenty five years without a franchise QB.

Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on April 3, 2009, 03:49 PM
Until millions of Bucs fans who have had to struggle for the team's entire existence without a franchise QB get a Jay Cutler, I think I'll just stick to being bitter and disgruntled, thanks.   :-* 
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 3, 2009, 11:23 PM
Nice of Cutler to totally insult the Bronco fans in his press conference today.   ::)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on April 4, 2009, 02:21 AM
I missed it, what'd he do?
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 4, 2009, 01:56 PM
Don't remember his exact words...I was driving at the time, but it did have me exclaim "WHAT?!" when I heard it.  I'm not even the big Bronco fan in the house....that honor goes to the Mrs.   ;)

She's pretty pissed.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: ruiner on April 4, 2009, 04:06 PM
Wow, must have been horrible if you can't even remember.

Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: JediJman on April 4, 2009, 04:35 PM
Don't remember his exact words...I was driving at the time, but it did have me exclaim "WHAT?!" when I heard it.  I'm not even the big Bronco fan in the house....that honor goes to the Mrs.   ;)

She's pretty pissed.

I'd be pretty curious to know what he said in that press conference.  I looked around online and pretty much all of his comments are just about how playing for the Bears is a dream come true since he grew up as a Bears fan.  Here's his comment on what went down in Denver - sounds like a pretty humble and decent guy to me.

''Obviously, there's been a lot said on my part and the Broncos' part over the last couple of months,'' he said. ''I think both sides would possibly do a few things different, but everything happens for a reason, and that's behind me. This is a dream come true for me. I'm looking forward to the future.''

Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: I Am Sith on April 16, 2009, 01:06 PM
John Maddon Retires (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/John-Madden-retires-from-NBC-after-29-seasons-in?urn=nfl,156802)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 16, 2009, 08:50 PM
End of an Era.  Although I think Chris Collinsworth will do a good job, I'm going to miss John Madden.  He's been calling games since I was a kid.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Jesse James on April 16, 2009, 10:29 PM
I'm not a huge Madden fan actually, so I'm glad to see him go since I find him to be rather annoying.  I feel that way about almost all the national announcers in any sport though.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: I Am Sith on April 16, 2009, 11:43 PM
I was a fan in the 80's and most of the 90's, but the past decade has been pretty hard to take.  I think that it was right around the time when he started putting his name on video games that I started to dislike him as an announcer.

I'm not looking forward to Collinsworth in the booth on Sunday nights.  I would much rather have Keith Olbermann or Dan Patrick in the booth with Al.  Leave Collinsworth in the studio to suck up to Bob Costas some more...
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 17, 2009, 01:15 AM
I liked Collinsworth when he was on Fox in the booth with Joe Buck and Aikmen...but I'll most likely watch the Sunday night games on mute.  I already skip their pregame.

Fox still has the best pregame.   :D
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Mikey D on April 17, 2009, 09:22 AM
I think Collinsworth is one of the best, if not the best, color analysts currently working so I'm looking forward to him in the booth with Al.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 24, 2009, 01:37 AM
Now that the full schedule is out I was excited to see the Giants are playing the Broncos in Denver....but it's on Thanksgiving!

We'll be eating turkey either at noon or tailgating.....maybe both!
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on April 26, 2009, 01:37 AM
I think Collinsworth is one of the best, if not the best, color analysts currently working so I'm looking forward to him in the booth with Al.

I think he's a total ******* tool - seriously, a complete and utter douche bag.   :) 
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Nicklab on May 2, 2009, 08:23 PM
The Dallas Cowboys training bubble collapsed today during a rookie practice/workout.  Current reports say that as many as 5 people are injured, including the Special Teams coach.  The situation is still developing.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Paul on May 3, 2009, 11:23 AM
This was shocking indeed, mostly because the Cowboys usually wait until December to have a collapse.











As of this morning, news reports are that 12 were injured but none life threatening.  I bet JesseJ blames T.0. 
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on May 3, 2009, 09:26 PM
I've heard it's twelve people hurt including one staff member who is having spinal surgery.

update... sounds like the one guy is paralyzed from the waste down.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Jesse James on May 4, 2009, 02:11 AM
 :D
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Paul on May 4, 2009, 06:51 AM
That is certainly a tragedy for Mr. Behm and family.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9528864/Cowboys-scouting-assistant-paralyzed

The more "well to do" suburbs around here also have the practice "bubble" and the company that built it already lost a lawsuit in Pennsylvania, although I am not sure they have much liability in "Near tornadic" winds.

Perhaps this is the event that can galvanize the collection of individuals that masquerade as a football Team.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on May 4, 2009, 08:14 AM
:D

????????
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Jesse James on May 4, 2009, 02:52 PM
Whoops, i thought I got my quote specified in there:

Quote
I bet JesseJ blames T.0.

Aimed at Paul...  Not anyone being hurt or anything.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on May 5, 2009, 06:58 PM
Favre is meeting with Childress in an undisclosed location. Retire or don't, but choose dude.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: JediJman on May 5, 2009, 07:11 PM
Favre is meeting with Childress in an undisclosed location. Retire or don't, but choose dude.

I agree, Childress should retire.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on May 6, 2009, 08:17 AM
Favre is meeting with Childress in an undisclosed location. Retire or don't, but choose dude.

I agree, Childress should retire.

No, Childress shouldn't retire. He should become the Packer's head coach. We'll trade you T Jack and Childress for a 6 pack of Gatorade.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: JediJman on May 7, 2009, 01:04 PM
Favre is meeting with Childress in an undisclosed location. Retire or don't, but choose dude.

I agree, Childress should retire.

No, Childress shouldn't retire. He should become the Packer's head coach. We'll trade you T Jack and Childress for a 6 pack of Gatorade.

No thanks, we'll keep the Gatorade.  Maybe you can pawn those two off on the Patriots for some clam chowder?
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Jesse James on May 7, 2009, 05:00 PM
Or a grab bag of mystery video tapes.  Unmarked, and could be other team's practices or porn.  No returns.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on May 7, 2009, 05:39 PM
Favre is meeting with Childress in an undisclosed location. Retire or don't, but choose dude.

I agree, Childress should retire.

No, Childress shouldn't retire. He should become the Packer's head coach. We'll trade you T Jack and Childress for a 6 pack of Gatorade.

No thanks, we'll keep the Gatorade.  Maybe you can pawn those two off on the Patriots for some clam chowder?

Not even the Patriots could make Jackson a good quarterback.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Jayson on May 7, 2009, 05:40 PM
Sounds like the Favre/Vikings deal is a no-go.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: ruiner on May 8, 2009, 05:15 PM
Doesn't matter - the Bears have the division clinched.

All you Vikings fans can suck it!!!!111!!!

Green Bay fans too!

Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on May 8, 2009, 05:29 PM
Doesn't matter - the Bears have the division clinched.

All you Vikings fans can suck it!!!!111!!!


You type exclamations points like the Bears play football (no I don't know exactly what that means).

Now they say the Vikings are looking at Favre X-rays and if they don't think surgery is necessary they will try to sign him.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: ruiner on May 8, 2009, 05:34 PM
I hope they sign him - then the division is guaranteed to go to the Bears!!!!1111!!!

Cutler + Forte = doom for AP and whatever bum the Vikes can sign off the street to be their QB!

(http://www.chicagobears.com/userfiles/image/default/Cutlerinuniform_inside050609.jpg)

Lights out fools!

 :-*
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: ruiner on May 8, 2009, 05:55 PM

Now they say the Vikings are looking at Favre X-rays and if they don't think surgery is necessary they will try to sign him.

Breaking news!

X-rays are in:

(http://www.wyp2005.hr/ljepota_fizike/sazetci/homer_xrays.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on May 8, 2009, 09:00 PM
I hope they sign him - then the division is guaranteed to go to the Bears!!!!1111!!!

I love the Cutler acquisition, but I don't think the Bears are any better than the Vikings at this point.  The Vikings are stacked pretty much everywhere but QB and if Favre is healthy and goes there, they're the favorites in that division, and one of the top two or three contenders for the entire NFC.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: JediJman on May 8, 2009, 10:53 PM
I hope they sign him - then the division is guaranteed to go to the Bears!!!!1111!!!

Cutler + Forte = doom for AP and whatever bum the Vikes can sign off the street to be their QB!

(http://www.chicagobears.com/userfiles/image/default/Cutlerinuniform_inside050609.jpg)

Lights out fools!

 :-*

I think the Bears are the best team on paper right now, which is why is going to be so much fun when the Packers mop the floor with 'em. The Green & Gold already had a solid offense last year and they had the best grade from several sources coming out of the draft.  The Vikings are still a QB and a coach short of going anywhere and we don't even need to bring up Detroit.  My money's on the Packers narrowly edging out the Bears for a division title.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Morgbug on May 9, 2009, 01:20 AM
I hope they sign him - then the division is guaranteed to go to the Bears!!!!1111!!!

I love the Cutler acquisition, but I don't think the Bears are any better than the Vikings at this point.  The Vikings are stacked pretty much everywhere but QB and if Favre is healthy and goes there, they're the favorites in that division, and one of the top two or three contenders for the entire NFC.

Can you imagine if they sign Favre?  Then play the Packers on Monday Night Football?   :o
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on May 9, 2009, 12:20 PM
Can you imagine if they sign Favre?  Then play the Packers on Monday Night Football?   :o

I'm counting on it - it would be the highest rated MNF in years.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Nicklab on May 9, 2009, 07:55 PM
Doesn't matter - the Bears have the division clinched.

All you Vikings fans can suck it!!!!111!!!

Green Bay fans too!



You seem to be pre-supposing that Jake Cutler is going to be cool in Chicago.  After the embarassing way he left Denver I'd be surprised to see him rise to a real position of leadership on the Bears.  He acted like a complete malcontent/prima donna.  I think the Chicago fans might have very little patience for him if he stinks things up.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on May 9, 2009, 09:06 PM
I think the Chicago fans might have very little patience for him if he stinks things up.

Chicago hasn't had a QB as good as Cutler in literally forever.  They'll give him some breaks.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: ruiner on May 9, 2009, 09:28 PM
To say the least.

And you know how I feel about Favre - he's more trouble than what he's worth.




Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: ruiner on May 9, 2009, 09:30 PM
  My money's on the Packers narrowly edging out the Bears for a division title.

Name your price.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: John C on May 12, 2009, 06:58 PM
I will be surprised if the Vikings don't end up with Favre.  It will make the owners tons of cash.  Without him, they are looking at blackouts because the fans hate Childress.  With him, they are looking at sellouts, high ratings for every game especially the MNF one vs the Pack, tons of purple #4 jerseys selling and at least one playoff win if Brett stays healthy.  He won't have to win games for the Vikings, just be a game manager.  He might have to throw 20-25 times a game as opposed to 35-40.  That should save his shoulder.  Berrian is a top notch WR and Sidney Rice should benefit from having a real QB throw to him.  The drafting of Harvin should also help the offense if Baldy and his monkey boy OC can draw up some plays for him.  Adrian Peterson will also benefit and probably rush for 2000 yards if healthy.  I realize this is a lot of ifs.  If everything goes wrong and the Vikings fall on their butts, then hopefully Childress is canned and they find a real head coach.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: ruiner on May 13, 2009, 11:53 PM
Playoff win?

Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Scott on May 14, 2009, 02:34 AM
I know the Bears will be a touch better but I'm still not convinced Cutler will have anyone to throw it to other than FOrte and Olsen.  Plus the Bears D is showing signs of finally starting to tail off and age. 

I also think the Vikings are better than they were last year when they won the division...especially getting their best defensive player (EJ Henderson) back to an already stellar unit.  And while Sage may not be the answer...he is better than Gus and he did alright in the same job.  So...why wouldn't they be expected to win the division and a playoff game.  Green Bay and Detroit are both non factors and it comes down to Chicago and Minnesota. 
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: ruiner on May 14, 2009, 10:26 AM
Only time will tell, but again, I think the Bears will have a newfound energy now that they have a franchise QB (their first since what, 1985)?

Yes, the defense has struggled as of late but they're still pretty darn good against the run and causing takeaways.  I think they have to start re-tooling but for this year, I think they can get the job done with regard to winning the division.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: I Am Sith on May 15, 2009, 01:30 PM
For the record, Chad Johnson-Ocho-Cinco-Uno-Dos-Tres is an idiot:

How Do You Spell Screw-up? (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-bengals-ochocinco&prov=ap&type=lgns)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on May 15, 2009, 05:35 PM
For the record, Chad Johnson-Ocho-Cinco-Uno-Dos-Tres is an idiot:

How Do You Spell Screw-up? (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-bengals-ochocinco&prov=ap&type=lgns)

I didn't even click the link, but yes he is an idiot.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: JediJman on May 15, 2009, 11:12 PM
For the record, Chad Johnson-Ocho-Cinco-Uno-Dos-Tres is an idiot:

How Do You Spell Screw-up? (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-bengals-ochocinco&prov=ap&type=lgns)

I think the nickname thing is pretty funny.  The guy has talent, but he's always been more about entertainment than professional sports.  I don't get why the league doesn't just let him have the space between names - what a dumb thing to argue about on their behalf.  :P
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Scott on May 18, 2009, 12:54 PM
Sounds like Kornheiser is out at MNF...which is good.  I don't think I could stand another year of "Brett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett FavreBrett Favre"
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Paul on May 18, 2009, 05:36 PM
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/sports/19477962/detail.html

JJ...care to comment on TO, er uh Harrison's theory that the President might have invited the Cardinals if they had won?

I realize he didn't go the last time they won either, but to be upset they don't get an Annual "Field Trip" to the White House really struck me as funny.

On the Kornheiser news... PRAISE BE to the Football Dieties...Monday Night Football might be tolerable now.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Jesse James on May 18, 2009, 06:05 PM
I have no clue what he was trying to say/accomplish, honestly.  He's against going for one reason or another.  I think he's aware whoever wins gets to go, and that he's just not voicing what his gripe is very well...

I'm glad he's not going if he's so against it though...  To each their own.  I'd go.  :-\ 

Nobody said football players were all the brightest bulbs though, hah.  Hell, Terry Bradshaw's intelligence is routinely the punchline of many jokes.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: JabbaJoe on May 19, 2009, 08:30 AM
I don't have to mute the TV anymore when watching Monday night football. :) :D ;D
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on May 28, 2009, 06:58 PM
I read in the current edition of "The Onion" that the Packers are signing Fran Tarkenton to a contract to get back at the Vikings. I thought that was pretty hilarious.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Paul on July 25, 2009, 05:31 PM
Ok...I am officially scared, Jerry Jones has said the Cowboy's will not sign Mike Vick...that means he will be wearing the Star by next week.  I am getting a map out to pick a new team if that happens.

Having lived in D/FW my whole life, I will need to get an "exception" to my required rooting teams.  Do I have to pick a team from the same state? 
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Ryan on July 25, 2009, 05:38 PM
Houston could finally be good this year if feel you have to stay in state Paul. Plus they are AFC. My favorite team is of course the Denver Broncos, but my other/second favorite team is Carolina, who is in the NFC so it works out for me.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on July 25, 2009, 05:40 PM
Ok...I am officially scared, Jerry Jones has said the Cowboy's will not sign Mike Vick...that means he will be wearing the Star by next week.  I am getting a map out to pick a new team if that happens.

Having lived in D/FW my whole life, I will need to get an "exception" to my required rooting teams.  Do I have to pick a team from the same state?  

The Cowboys went out of their way to drop all their baggage this year.  Pacman, Tank, and T.O. all got sent elsewhere.

No chance in hell they undo all that progress by signing the one guy I can think of that's a bigger headache than all three of the guys they cut combined.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Matt on July 25, 2009, 06:00 PM
Anything interesting happening up in Pittsburgh this off-season, JJ?
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Morgbug on July 25, 2009, 06:19 PM
Anything interesting happening up in Pittsburgh this off-season, JJ?

Ouch.  Though I hear some Favre guy might be available, just in case.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on July 25, 2009, 08:51 PM
Houston could finally be good this year if feel you have to stay in state Paul. Plus they are AFC. My favorite team is of course the Denver Broncos, but my other/second favorite team is Carolina, who is in the NFC so it works out for me.

All that food you've eaten at my house and you don't like the Giants?!  >:(
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Jesse James on July 25, 2009, 11:03 PM
Anything interesting happening up in Pittsburgh this off-season, JJ?

It's only a civil case, so no need for Favre...  And considering she waited a year, filed nothing criminal, and now is seemingly making a cash grab, I'm currently (based on what has come out) not believing any of it and think it'll pass.

Same thing happened to Jerome Bettis, and it was dismissed. 

Of course nothing else has been released about it yet either, so who knows.

NOthing criminal though, so no Favre needs. :)  Plus I think Batch is coming back...  I dig Batch.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Ryan on July 26, 2009, 12:14 AM
Houston could finally be good this year if feel you have to stay in state Paul. Plus they are AFC. My favorite team is of course the Denver Broncos, but my other/second favorite team is Carolina, who is in the NFC so it works out for me.

All that food you've eaten at my house and you don't like the Giants?!  >:(

Nope.

:-*
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on July 26, 2009, 03:42 AM
You still need to send me your address so I can send you this dvd.

And it was fun watching that Giants/Broncos game at my apartment that time....what was the final score again?

(Honestly, I'm glad Wendy was on a business trip at that time, we probably wouldn't be married right now if she was there too!)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Morgbug on July 28, 2009, 11:10 AM
Maybe the Steelers can get Vick since he was re-instated?  Thoughts (about Vick, I know he's not going to Pittsburgh)?
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on July 28, 2009, 11:42 AM
My thoughts on Vick are that he's a piece of ****.  

But, he served his prison term and (not that it matters but) I'm willing to give him one more shot to clean up his act.  If Tony Dungy is going to make him his personal project, there's a shred of hope for a positive outcome.


EDIT:  Oh, as long as he doesn't end up on the team I follow....NIMBY... etc...
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on July 28, 2009, 01:56 PM
Vick is the only player (if he plays again) that if he were to get a career ending injury (like a broken neck), I would stand up and cheer.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Scott on July 28, 2009, 06:35 PM
**** off Favre! (http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/51926357.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aU1yDEmP:QMDCinchO7DU)  Good God, my hate has reached a new depth for the man
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Jesse James on July 28, 2009, 07:27 PM
Well, I doubt the Steelers would want to dump a guy not convicted of any criminal acts for a guy who's just getting out of his jail time. :)

I've mentioned it befure, but the Rooney's are pretty known to not take **** from the players.  When they screw up they're usually, privately, read the riot act from the organization.  Burress, for instance, wasn't fitting in because despite being told how it is here, he was being a dick.  They made no effort to hang onto him and he left to win a SB...  and then shoot his dumb**** self in the leg carrying a gun illegally.

As good a player as he is/was though, he was let go because of his behavior here, pretty much.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Diddly on July 28, 2009, 09:08 PM
**** off Favre! (http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/51926357.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aU1yDEmP:QMDCinchO7DU)  Good God, my hate has reached a new depth for the man

Something tells me we haven't seen the last of him.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on July 28, 2009, 09:33 PM
Very disappointed.  That MNF against the Packers would have been epic.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Morgbug on July 28, 2009, 09:56 PM
Minnesota Vikings new quarterback:  Michael Vick????
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on July 28, 2009, 10:31 PM
I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Jayson on July 28, 2009, 11:32 PM
**** off Favre! (http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/51926357.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aU1yDEmP:QMDCinchO7DU)  Good God, my hate has reached a new depth for the man

I saw this when I was at the bar this afternoon and I wanted to put my fist through the frickin' screen. If it was between playing for the "Queens" and another team I can see it. But to now say that he's going to stay retired is such a classless thing to do. I hope T. Jackson has been reading that play book (or found someone that can read it to him) for these weeks of the Favre speculation as he's going to take a **** load of **** from fans if he doesn't perform.

Minnesota Vikings new quarterback:  Michael Vick????

STFU!  ;D
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on July 29, 2009, 09:19 AM
Minnesota Vikings new quarterback:  Michael Vick????

NOT EVEN SORT OF FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: JediJman on July 29, 2009, 09:45 AM
I saw the Favre thing on the news at Champps yesterday as well.  I don't get why Vike fans are upset - I thought you were all saying he should just retire and that you didn't want him anyway?  So he goes and retires (finally) and everyone's pissed at him for that?  I'm no Viking fan, but I personally think you're much better off with Rosenfells anyway.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: ruiner on July 29, 2009, 09:49 AM
It's the hoopla that he creates every year for attention that drives us nuts.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on July 29, 2009, 09:54 AM
I saw the Favre thing on the news at Champps yesterday as well.  I don't get why Vike fans are upset - I thought you were all saying he should just retire and that you didn't want him anyway?  So he goes and retires (finally) and everyone's pissed at him for that?  I'm no Viking fan, but I personally think you're much better off with Rosenfells anyway.

I'm fine with whatever Favre decided. I would be fine with Rosenfells except I'm pretty sure like a bunch of clueless morons we are gonna start T Suck, I mean Jack.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: P-Siddy on July 29, 2009, 10:44 AM
Re: Favre... at least that's over.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Scott on July 29, 2009, 11:48 AM
I saw the Favre thing on the news at Champps yesterday as well.  I don't get why Vike fans are upset - I thought you were all saying he should just retire and that you didn't want him anyway?  So he goes and retires (finally) and everyone's pissed at him for that?  I'm no Viking fan, but I personally think you're much better off with Rosenfells anyway.
I agree with you, I was in the camp that didn't want the overrated POS
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on August 7, 2009, 01:42 PM
Anyone else think Vince Young WON'T be a Hall of Famer as he claims?
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: JediJman on August 7, 2009, 01:44 PM
Anyone else think Vince Young WON'T be a Hall of Famer as he claims?

Vince who?

 ;)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 7, 2009, 02:34 PM
What's a Vince Young?
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on August 7, 2009, 02:38 PM
What's a Vince Young?

I believe it's a term used to describe a crappy over-rated QB.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: JabbaJoe on August 8, 2009, 05:07 AM
What's a Vince Young?

I believe it's a term used to describe a crappy over-rated QB.

Also known as a Michael Vick. :)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on August 8, 2009, 10:17 AM
What's a Vince Young?

I believe it's a term used to describe a crappy over-rated QB.

Also known as a Michael Vick. :)

Yes, those are interchangeable.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on August 9, 2009, 03:02 AM
Also known as a Michael Vick. :)

Yes, those are interchangeable.

However crappy a QB Vince Young is, comparing him to that ****head is unfair.

Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Paul on August 9, 2009, 10:35 AM
What's a Vince Young?

I believe it's a term used to describe a crappy over-rated QB.

Oh, so it's a ROMO.  Over-rated and Starting.

I have seen the Running Back variation known as a Ricky Williams...

Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on August 9, 2009, 11:23 AM
Also known as a Michael Vick. :)

Yes, those are interchangeable.

However crappy a QB Vince Young is, comparing him to that ****head is unfair.



That is a VERY good point. Certainly I am only talking on the field performance.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Diddly on August 13, 2009, 10:00 PM
Eagles sign Michael Vick (http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/08/13/eagles-vick-agree-to-two-year-contract/)

Vick, Eagles Agree to Two Year Deal (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4397938)

HA! Stupid Eagles.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Sugart on August 13, 2009, 10:02 PM
Eagles just signed Vick to a 2 year deal. As someone who is on the Eagles message board daily and bleeds green, trust me when I say I never saw this coming. I always thought the guys deserves a second chance, but never imagined it would be with my birds. Its really a low risk, high reward scenario IMHO.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on August 13, 2009, 10:44 PM
Oh ****!  I hope Justin Tuck takes his head clean off!
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on August 14, 2009, 12:20 AM
Vick sucked when he played for the Falcons, and he'll suck even more after two years out of football.  I think he deserves another shot too since he did his time and all (as long as he didn't end up in Tampa that is  :P ), but he went from the team I hate the most to the team I hate the second most (Reid and McNabb notwithstanding).  The Eagles front office is top notch, and I'm sure they were smart enough to structure his contract in a way that makes him totally expendable should anything go awry.  


Oh ****!  I hope Justin Tuck takes his head clean off!

Couldn't agree more.  Then when he's done I hope DeMarcus Ware does the same thing, then Albert Haynesworth, then ________ from whatever team they play on week _____ .

It's going to be a circus if he actually sees the field.  He'll be booed just about everywhere. 
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Diddly on August 14, 2009, 01:47 AM
Vick won't be booed in Philly, he'll fit right in with their fans
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Jesse James on August 14, 2009, 03:21 AM
I was waiting for that comment.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Sugart on August 14, 2009, 06:07 AM
Blah Blah Eagles fans are the worst, blah blah. Seriously stop listening to the national media and get a ******* clue, Philly fans are no worse than any other fans. Every city has their a-hole fans, its just when something happens with us its front page news where other cities it doesnt get mentioned. Why because snowballs were thrown 30+ years ago at a drunk and ragged Santa. Get over it.

Truth is we are loyal, passionate, and support our teams no matter what. We'll let you know if we dont like something, but in the end we are still there.

I cant wait for PETA to show up in Philly on gameday. Those guys are gonna get tore a new one. ;)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on August 14, 2009, 08:02 AM

I cant wait for PETA to show up in Philly on gameday. Those guys are gonna get tore a new one. ;)

I'm sure PETA is really scared of you.

If Vick was gonna sign then with someone then I'm glad it was with a team I despise already.

People do deserve second chances, BUT show some real remorse first. Then get your second chance. Someone who's brain told them it was fun to watch dogs kill each other and then that it was ok to kill the "losers" himself in unthinkable fashion, I'll just leave it at that.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Mikey D on August 14, 2009, 08:43 AM
Philly fans are no worse than any other fans. Every city has their a-hole fans, its just when something happens with us its front page news where other cities it doesnt get mentioned.

Exactly.  Where was all the outrage over the Chicago ******bag who threw his beer on Shane Victorino a few days ago?  If that had happened in Philly, New York or Boston, it would have been front page news.  Since it happened in Chicago and with the "Loveable Losers", it only gets mentioned during that game's highlights (from what I saw).  Funny that some of the more recent fan incidents have happened in Chi-Town - the beer throwing, the hillbilly rednecks attacking the first base coach, etc., but that town never seems to get a bad rep.  Point is, ******** are ********, no matter where they live.

I was never a Vick fan, I always thought he was over rated and I now think he's a scumbag, but he did do his time for his crimes and deserves to get his life back together. 

As for PETA showing up at Eagles game?  I hope someone's videotaping, because that's going to be comedy gold.  :P
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Paul on August 14, 2009, 09:39 AM
Wow, now they just need TO back.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on August 14, 2009, 01:13 PM
Exactly.  Where was all the outrage over the Chicago ******bag who threw his beer on Shane Victorino a few days ago? 

There was plenty.  That guy was instantly thrown out of the stadium, and Victorino decided to press charges and he voluntarily turned himself into police yesterday.

In Philly they threw batteries at players, they had a courthouse in the stadium.  There were sections that had reputations for tormenting opposing team's fans beyond friendly ribbing.

I'm sure there are plenty of fans who are nice and all, but that reputation didn't materialize out of thin air.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 14, 2009, 03:08 PM
Vick sucked when he played for the Falcons, and he'll suck even more after two years out of football.  


Well, he sucked as a quarterback.  As a running back, he was actually pretty awesome.

Oh ****!  I hope Justin Tuck takes his head clean off!

It would be more humane than what Vick did to those pit bulls.

Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Jesse James on August 14, 2009, 03:27 PM
I'm sure there are plenty of fans who are nice and all, but that reputation didn't materialize out of thin air.

I gotta agree with this...  And in general I love my brothers across the state there, but this isn't something that the national media just decided to **** all over Philly for no reason about.  I mean, come on now. ;)   I even had tickets to a game out there once (not Football) and a couple of my buddies out there were warning me not to go to certain bars, and to keep the "taunting" of my own team down and things, and they weren't kidding.  I don't know if they've cleaned it up or not, but I'm assuming so, at least inside the stadium.  Not so sure about outside, from what I've heard.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on August 14, 2009, 06:33 PM
And now to talk about quarterbacks that never thought electricuting dogs with jumper cables was okay........ It sure was good to see Tom Brady look so good yesterday (I know it was pre-season).
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on August 14, 2009, 11:32 PM
Well, he sucked as a quarterback.  As a running back, he was actually pretty awesome.

Yeah, he was great when it came to scrambling under center.  Line him up in the I and send him between the tackles and he'd be lucky to last two plays.  

Some other things he's good at include:  



But, like I (think I) said... he did his time, I'm willing to give him his shot at showing everyone that he's reformed.  I'm just glad he's not doing it on the team I follow.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Nicklab on August 15, 2009, 02:09 AM
Eagles sign Michael Vick (http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/08/13/eagles-vick-agree-to-two-year-contract/)

Vick, Eagles Agree to Two Year Deal (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4397938)

HA! Stupid Eagles.

They deserve each other.  Low class franchise with lower class fans signs lowest class ex-con/dog fighter/overhyped player.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on August 15, 2009, 10:13 AM

But, like I (think I) said... he did his time, I'm willing to give him his shot at showing everyone that he's reformed.  I'm just glad he's not doing it on the team I follow.

Exactly how I feel!!!!!!
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 15, 2009, 12:48 PM
I have to say, what Michael Vick did was awful.  It's terrible to torture and kill a living thing.  Any animal.  He went to prison for it and lost millions upon millions of dollars in salary, promotions and endorsements.

He paid a heavy price.

At the same time though, our society is strange.  During hunting season we allow people to take to the woods with guns and bows, and blow a deer's head off in front of it's family, or put an arrow through it's chest, allowing it to escape and suffer and die over the next week.  There's all kinds of inhumane practices with the raising of cattle, pigs, chickens etc. that are horrific. 

I struggle seeing the difference between attacking a deer, and what Michael Vick did with the killing of dogs.  Because it was a dog, all of the sudden everyone loses their minds.

I'm not a vegetarian by any stretch of the imagination.  But I don't see how we can punish Michael Vick for fighting and killing dogs on one hand, and promote the wholesale slaughter of other animals in brutal, brutal ways on the other.

I say let Vick play.  And if someone on the field wants to take aim at him for his past, I'm sure he can handle himself at 6' 215 lbs.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on August 15, 2009, 01:40 PM
I have to disagree with you Dressel.  I can't draw a moral equivalency between hunting a deer (or moose, caribou, turkey, etc) for food with the training of an animal to fight and kill another for amusement and then brutally killing it when it loses.  That lack of respect for life is how most serial killers got started!

People like Michael Vick are part of the reason there are stupid laws in various cities have laws against owning certain types of dogs...when all these dogs like to do is please their masters, it's just that they are very powerful.

Pete Rose is banned from baseball for life because he made a few bets (as well as possibly fixed games when he was a manager, but it's been difficult to prove).  Micheal Vick committed, in my eyes, a much more serious offense and he's allowed to play again, as well as make millions of dollars n the sport.

I think Vick, Pac-Man Jones, and all the other people in professional sports should never be allowed to play again as punishment for their crimes, on top of what they get in the courts.  They are role models to kids and letting them play again sends a bad message to everyone.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 15, 2009, 06:42 PM
I have to disagree with you Dressel.  I can't draw a moral equivalency between hunting a deer (or moose, caribou, turkey, etc) for food with the training of an animal to fight and kill another for amusement and then brutally killing it when it loses.  That lack of respect for life is how most serial killers got started!

People like Michael Vick are part of the reason there are stupid laws in various cities have laws against owning certain types of dogs...when all these dogs like to do is please their masters, it's just that they are very powerful.

Pete Rose is banned from baseball for life because he made a few bets (as well as possibly fixed games when he was a manager, but it's been difficult to prove).  Micheal Vick committed, in my eyes, a much more serious offense and he's allowed to play again, as well as make millions of dollars n the sport.

I think Vick, Pac-Man Jones, and all the other people in professional sports should never be allowed to play again as punishment for their crimes, on top of what they get in the courts.  They are role models to kids and letting them play again sends a bad message to everyone.

Meh, okay, we can't agree 100% of the time.

So you think then a dog's life is worth more than a deer's life.  Hanging a dog is terrible, but putting a bullet or arrow through a deer's eyeball is just fine, encouraged even.  In either event, you are still causing an animal, a sentient being, agonizing pain before death.  I can't think of many things more awful than pointing a firearm at an animal and inflicting a gunshot wound.  And this is coming from a pro-2nd amendment NRA member and gun enthusiast.

I'm not seeing the distinction, but I'm also not real heavily invested in this issue.  I'm gonna watch my NFL games whether Vick is on the field or not.

I just want to be clear I am not in any way defending Vick.  But he did pay a very heavy price for what he did, and I think it's very selective outrage in our society to demonize him, yet allow and encourage the wholesale slaughter of other innocent, peaceful, sentient animals.

Go Giants.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Sprry75 on August 15, 2009, 08:13 PM
I agree with you 100% Dressel, on the baseless subjectivity of tolerating cruelty to some animals in some situations, but not others, as well as Michael Vick.  Dude's done his time and paid a hefty price.  Give him another chance.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on August 15, 2009, 09:09 PM
Killing an animal for food - Good.

Torturing an animal in a fight ring and then brutally killing it - Evil.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on August 15, 2009, 10:15 PM
I am not a vegetarian but pretty close (although that's like saying your sort of pregnant). I never have meat in the house. I don't order it in restaraunts very often. But I love a hamburger and will fall off the wagon when I let myself. And where I would never ever want to go hunting and don't get why people do and think it is a horrible shame people will turn a blind eye to the horrendous way the animal they are eating lived and died in unnatural ways, I still think there is a difference in what Vick did compared to you sitting down to eat a hamburger or even you going out hunting.

I am going to stop now or this won't end and I'll get pissy.

And to get back to a NFL topic, T Jack still sucks.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: JediJman on August 15, 2009, 11:49 PM
I think the key difference for me is in the motivation.  Hunting is permitted in many cases because animals would face overpopulation and starvation.  Talk all you want about the horrors of being shot in the head - that's a mercy killing compared to an animal starving to death across several weeks during the winter.  Most of what's killed is also used for food, which is at least better than what happens to the bodies of those that starve or end up as road kill. 

I'm no hunter.  I don't think I'd enjoy any aspect of the process and I don't think I'll ever truly understand those that enjoy the "sport" of tracking and hunting animals.  That said, I can't believe people would put this in the same sentance as what Vick did.  He raised dogs purely to fight other dogs - their sole purpose in life to hurt/maim/kill other animals.  He's not just a killer, he's forcing animals to kill each other too.  And when they are no longer of use, he drowns or hangs them - two forms of death that are (from what I've heard) some of the most frightening and painful ways to exit life.  I really don't care if you're talking dogs, cats, deer, cow, or kriffing turkies...drowning and/or hanging a deer to kill it still seems a hell of a lot less humane than trying to shoot it from afar.

Vick's motive was not to control the dog population or feed his family - it was a sick perversion for inflicting needless pain.  I could really care less that he lost millions or did jail time - whatever his punishment so far, it was not enough.  Letting him play football again is a total joke.

Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on August 16, 2009, 02:25 AM
I'm with Matt... there's a big difference between eating meat and torturing and killing man's best friend for some twisted amusement.  That said, we can do a lot better when it comes to how we treat our food too.  Free range is the way to go.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on August 16, 2009, 02:58 AM
Wow....Rob agrees with me and Dressel and I disagree.  What kind of ****** up alternate universe did I land in?   :D

Go Giants!
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Nicklab on August 16, 2009, 03:12 AM
I agree with you too, Matt.  Hunting is worlds apart from what Michael Vick did to those dogs.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 16, 2009, 07:07 AM
You guys can say hunting is totally different than what Michael Vick did - but what a deer feels as it's on the receiving end of bullets and arrows, running for it's life in fear, is no different than what Vick's dogs felt.

That animal is terrified, panicked, and in a lot pain just like Vick's dogs.

But a certain percentage of people eat the deer afterwards before they mount it's head on the wall, so I'm sure that makes up for it  ;)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 16, 2009, 07:11 AM


I'm no hunter.  I don't think I'd enjoy any aspect of the process and I don't think I'll ever truly understand those that enjoy the "sport" of tracking and hunting animals.  That said, I can't believe people would put this in the same sentance as what Vick did. 

I'm not saying hunters and Michael Vick are the same thing.

What I am saying is to not kid yourself into thinking that the dog that is hung from Michael Vick's tree is feeling any more pain than a terrified deer that is forced to run for it's life while being penetrated with arrows and bullets.

According to some of these arguments, if Michael Vick breaded and deep fried the dog after he hung or drowned it, then that should make his actions fine and dandy.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on August 16, 2009, 10:23 AM
Go Vikings and Patriots!!!

People are kidding themselves when they think the fear Vick's dogs were feeling, the feer a deer fleeing from a hunter, or the cow that has been stuck in a tiny space for its life while it is fed unnatural foods and then is injured but noone cares and it lives the rest of its life that way until its brought to the slaughter house are all feeling differently. No doubt.

But when we are talking about the motivation the human repsonsible for the animal's death, that is where Vick's is so hard to come to terms with. With that being said we are responsible for the cow's horrible life when we buy the burger NOT just the commercial farmer. But you have to recognize the mind set is different.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Paul on August 16, 2009, 07:58 PM
Here is a thought, let's get back to NFL talk in this thread, if you want to discuss the otheR issues, there is a Place In The forums for that. 

I watched 4 preseason football games over the weekend.  Almost has me wishing for Monday Night Football.  And getting to watch on Saturday had that College Football feel, especially with some of the play.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Morgbug on August 17, 2009, 02:21 AM
Sorry, moving to pit.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Paul on August 17, 2009, 04:53 PM
Sorry to a wet blanket on that.

Now to Football news..

ESPN is reporting today that Fox Sports is reporting that an unnamed Vikings player is claiming that Brett Favre is going to be joining the team.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 17, 2009, 05:05 PM
Sorry to a wet blanket on that.

Now to Football news..

ESPN is reporting today that Fox Sports is reporting that an unnamed Vikings player is claiming that Brett Favre is going to be joining the team.

Well, that will make the Vikings a much better team.

Great D, great O-line, A-Pete and a legendary QB.

Things are looking up for the ViQueens.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Jayson on August 18, 2009, 12:01 PM
Re: Favre... at least that's over.

It's not over yet. (http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=822369&catid=391) Or is it?
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Matt Carroll on August 18, 2009, 12:46 PM
Re: Favre... at least that's over.

It's not over yet. (http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=822369&catid=391) Or is it?

I guess it depends on your point of view of "over"  (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4406963). I can feel Scott's excitement from here. ;)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: John C on August 18, 2009, 01:20 PM
He should be landing in the Twin Cities pretty quickly.  Not sure if this is good for the team on the long run, but it will sell jerseys.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on August 18, 2009, 01:22 PM
There's no long run.  There's one year, MAYBE two.  I know Scott hates it, but if it were my team I'd be excited to see what they could be like with a real QB.

Hell, before he went to NY I was all but certain he was going to be a Buc and I was thrilled about it.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on August 18, 2009, 01:23 PM
He should be landing in the Twin Cities pretty quickly.  Not sure if this is good for the team on the long run, but it will sell jerseys.

I'm for it. It certainly isn't a long term solution, but I don't think any QB on the Vikings team is a long term solution either so let's see what happens. We can still hand the ball off to AP, but now we will have a quarterback that can throw a pass more than ten yards with it being in the vicinity of the receiver.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 18, 2009, 01:41 PM
Look this is a team that is built around defense and a running game with a good o-line.

It doesn't hurt to be able to throw the ball 50 yards downfield if the defense stacks the box against the run.

Tavaris Jackson was not really a consistent big play threat, now the ViQueens have one.

They'll be in the playoffs, it'll be fun.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: JediJman on August 18, 2009, 02:51 PM
Favre definitely helps the team, assuming he doesn't decide to retire again.  Have fun with him Viqueen fans!
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Sugart on August 18, 2009, 05:43 PM
I still think the Giants and Eagles are better.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Scott on August 18, 2009, 05:59 PM
I still think the Giants and Eagles are better.
I don't...the Vikings lost their best player on Defense in EJ Henderson last year and still almost beat the Eagles in the playoffs last year with basically a rookiee QB.  Favre makes AP all that much more dangerous because now they can't stack the box all day long.  Even though I hate the man I still root for my team and believe they are now the NFC favorites...but mainly because of their Defense and ball control offense
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on August 18, 2009, 06:07 PM
Giants maybe, Eagles no.  The Vikings need to prove it on the field and all, but they're definitely in the conversation at this point.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: JediJman on August 18, 2009, 06:08 PM
I still think the Giants and Eagles are better.
I don't...the Vikings lost their best player on Defense in EJ Henderson last year and still almost beat the Eagles in the playoffs last year with basically a rookiee QB.  Favre makes AP all that much more dangerous because now they can't stack the box all day long.  Even though I hate the man I still root for my team and believe they are now the NFC favorites...but mainly because of their Defense and ball control offense

Well, based on those areas, I would argue that the Bears are going to be a match for Vikings.  Similar defense and ball control style, but better coaching than Brad in my opinion.  Cutler provides a similar advantage and is a lot younger than Favre, who has broken down at the end of the last couple seasons.  I think both will be very competitive, but both also lack a strong receiver threat to compliment their QBs.  If the Packers defense has improved in the off season, they'll be right up there too.  Nice to see contenders in our division again regardless.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Scott on August 18, 2009, 06:10 PM
I still think the Giants and Eagles are better.
I don't...the Vikings lost their best player on Defense in EJ Henderson last year and still almost beat the Eagles in the playoffs last year with basically a rookiee QB.  Favre makes AP all that much more dangerous because now they can't stack the box all day long.  Even though I hate the man I still root for my team and believe they are now the NFC favorites...but mainly because of their Defense and ball control offense

Well, based on those areas, I would argue that the Bears are going to be a match for Vikings.  Similar defense and ball control style, but better coaching than Brad in my opinion.  Cutler provides a similar advantage and is a lot younger than Favre, who has broken down at the end of the last couple seasons.  I think both will be very competitive, but both also lack a strong receiver threat to compliment their QBs.  If the Packers defense has improved in the off season, they'll be right up there too.  Nice to see contenders in our division again regardless.
I think and have thought for a long time that the Bears D is mightily overrated.  I don't disagree that their team is better with Cutler but Forte needs to prove he isn't a one year wonder and their D needs to get 5 years younger. 
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: JediJman on August 18, 2009, 06:19 PM
Well, based on those areas, I would argue that the Bears are going to be a match for Vikings.  Similar defense and ball control style, but better coaching than Brad in my opinion.  Cutler provides a similar advantage and is a lot younger than Favre, who has broken down at the end of the last couple seasons.  I think both will be very competitive, but both also lack a strong receiver threat to compliment their QBs.  If the Packers defense has improved in the off season, they'll be right up there too.  Nice to see contenders in our division again regardless.
I think and have thought for a long time that the Bears D is mightily overrated.  I don't disagree that their team is better with Cutler but Forte needs to prove he isn't a one year wonder and their D needs to get 5 years younger. 
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Spoken like a true homer.  ;)  Frankly, I'm skeptical that the Vikes can make the playoffs given Brad's coaching.  I'd trust in Forte's ability more than I trust in Brad's ability to successfully use all the weapons at his disposal.  Also factor in that Favre has not had any time to gel with his new team and has practiced even less than at any point in his career - the Vikes have a lot of question marks as well.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on August 18, 2009, 06:33 PM

Spoken like a true homer.  ;)  Frankly, I'm skeptical that the Vikes can make the playoffs given Brad's coaching.  I'd trust in Forte's ability more than I trust in Brad's ability to successfully use all the weapons at his disposal.  Also factor in that Favre has not had any time to gel with his new team and has practiced even less than at any point in his career - the Vikes have a lot of question marks as well.

Yeah, but, who cares what a Packers fan living in Minnesota thinks about the Vikings?  ;)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Scott on August 18, 2009, 07:06 PM
Oh I don't disagree about Childress at all...all you need to do is look back at the 2006, 2007 and 2008 NFL threads :-*
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Sugart on August 18, 2009, 08:05 PM
The Eagles are better. They beat them last in the playoffs and are younger, faster, and generally better in multiple areas. This isnt Favre from circa 2000, he'll be toast and wind up costing them more than helping them like he did last year with the Jets. We all remember how that love fest started last year. Besides that Philly owns Favre and have his whole career. Look up his stats against them.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on August 18, 2009, 08:43 PM
This isnt Favre from circa 2000, he'll be toast and wind up costing them more than helping them like he did last year with the Jets. We all remember how that love fest started last year. Besides that Philly owns Favre and have his whole career. Look up his stats against them.

How about Favre of 2007?

356 of 535 = 66.5%
4155 yards
28 TD's
15 INT's
QB Rating: 95.7
W/L 13-3 before losing in the NFCC to the eventual Superbowl Champs.

Last year, there was a love fest early because he was playing well, then he got hurt.  If he stays healthy, he'll cruise through the NFC.

Meanwhile, the Eagles will do what they do every year.  Be very competitive, and then not win the Superbowl.

Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: JediJman on August 18, 2009, 10:08 PM
The Eagles are better. They beat them last in the playoffs and are younger, faster, and generally better in multiple areas. This isnt Favre from circa 2000, he'll be toast and wind up costing them more than helping them like he did last year with the Jets. We all remember how that love fest started last year. Besides that Philly owns Favre and have his whole career. Look up his stats against them.

Regular Season Stats for Favre vs. the Eagles: 5 wins and 6 losses big whoop.  I would hardly call that owning a QB.  Look up Favre's stats playing against the Vikes in the Metrodome - that's pwning.  Besides, you can hardly predict the Vikings season solely based on Favre or how Favre does against the Eagles defense.  In what areas do you think the Eagles are better?

QB- Advantage Vikings (when will McNabb be benched?)
RB - Advantage Vikings (I'll take All Day over Westbroken any day)
WR - Toss up (I don't really like anyone here)
Defense - Advantage Vikings
Offensive Line - Advantage Vikings
Coaching - Advantage Eagles
Most players convicted for killing animals - Advantage Eagles

I think I'm going to side with the Vikings here.  I even think the Vikes have an easier schedule this year. 
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Sugart on August 18, 2009, 10:38 PM
QB- Just stop, Favre is not better at this point.
RB- Vikings
WR- Seriously, for once the Eagles are deep and talented at the postion. Berrian is fast, but not a #1
O-line- Vikings are good, real good, but if the Eagles are healthy they have 2-3 potential pro bowlers there.
Defense- Vikings front 4 is nasty, but the Eagles were #3 in the league last year. I expect a drop off because of everything they've lost but they still be very good.
Coaching- Not even close

The only clear cut winners are RB and d-line and you could argue the rest. Vikings have a cake walk schedule, but every year someone comes out of no where to the schedule means dick.

Personally I love the circus, its gonna be that much more funny when they lose in the 1st round. Oh and Favre is something like 6-10 at the metrodome. Huge pwnage.  ::)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: P-Siddy on August 18, 2009, 11:03 PM
Giants maybe, Eagles no. 

Huh?

Eagles beat the Giants when it counted last year, and the Vikings on a nice run. I just don't think Eli Manning has it (though, yes, he does have a SB ring). I just think the Eagles used up their most of their allotted TDs during the final season game against the Cowgirls (though it was nice to see them get spanked hard).
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Scott on August 18, 2009, 11:35 PM
Again...the Vikings that made the playoffs last year are better this year.  End of story.  I know it is hard for outsiders who don't watch the team but EJ Henderson was a Pro Bowler through when he got hurt in Week 5 or 6.  Half of their wins were led by Gus Frerrotte and the opposing defenses stacked the box against AP all year.  They have a healthy EJ, upgraded O-Line, upgraded QB and a new weapon in Percy Harvin and the aforementioned easy schedule.  I think they are now the team to beat in the NFC
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: JediJman on August 18, 2009, 11:42 PM
QB- Just stop, Favre is not better at this point.
RB- Vikings
WR- Seriously, for once the Eagles are deep and talented at the postion. Berrian is fast, but not a #1
O-line- Vikings are good, real good, but if the Eagles are healthy they have 2-3 potential pro bowlers there.
Defense- Vikings front 4 is nasty, but the Eagles were #3 in the league last year. I expect a drop off because of everything they've lost but they still be very good.
Coaching- Not even close

The only clear cut winners are RB and d-line and you could argue the rest. Vikings have a cake walk schedule, but every year someone comes out of no where to the schedule means dick.

Personally I love the circus, its gonna be that much more funny when they lose in the 1st round. Oh and Favre is something like 6-10 at the metrodome. Huge pwnage.  ::)

Okay, I don't recall Favre ever getting benched.  When was the last time McNabb was benched?  Kevin Kolb?  Enough said.  I think Favre is just about washed up, but I would take him over a guy who's too lazy to show up for the Superbowl.  I mean really - the team has so much faith in him that they went out and signed M. Vick?  Vikes have a better O-line, the better running game, and a much better defense as well, and I don't know how in the world do you rank Philly as #3 last year.   ???

And thanks for the laugh on WRs.  Please tell me you don't truly believe Hank Basket, DeSean Jackson, and Kevin Curtis are among the leagues elite receiver corps.  That's just too funny.  I don't like Minnesota's receivers, but I'd expect about the same performance out of Berrian, Rice, and newcomer Percy Harvin.

Andy Reid looks like Einstein next to Childress, but he's 50 and never won a Superbowl, so no reason to think he's got a better chance to do it this year with an even weaker defense.

We do agree on one thing though - I fully expect to see the Vikes make the playoffs and blow it per usual.  Favre has faded down the stretch the last 3 seasons, so it will be sweet justice to see them go 9-0 then lose the first round of the playoffs.   >:D
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Morgbug on August 19, 2009, 01:07 AM
Again...the Vikings that made the playoffs last year are better this year.  End of story.  I know it is hard for outsiders who don't watch the team but EJ Henderson was a Pro Bowler through when he got hurt in Week 5 or 6.  Half of their wins were led by Gus Frerrotte and the opposing defenses stacked the box against AP all year.  They have a healthy EJ, upgraded O-Line, upgraded QB and a new weapon in Percy Harvin and the aforementioned easy schedule.  I think they are now the team to beat in the NFC

I agree here, but then I'm a Viqueen anyway. 

I'm really not expecting all that much out of Favre from direct production to be honest.  He wasn't all that stellar last year, something like the #15 QB overall.  Granted I believe that does rank him ahead of TJ though  :-X  As Scott said, it opens up the run game and even if not as much as expected it has to help.  I watched from 13 rows up how they didn't even really bother with the receivers one game last year, because the ball was underthrown or just plain dropped.  Between Berrian and Harvin (if he meets half the hype) and Shiancoe as an outlet, Favre has downfield options.  But yeah, AP probably just got better. 

The other merit is maybe TJ can actually learn something in a whole year with Favre there to mentor him.  Relatively few QBs step up immediately and while I've critized Jackson myself, maybe this will help. 
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on August 19, 2009, 01:33 AM
I'm really not expecting all that much out of Favre from direct production to be honest.  He wasn't all that stellar last year, something like the #15 QB overall. 

He had the mediocre Jets at 8-3 and in the hunt for a 1st round bye before he hurt his arm last year.  They lost 4 of the last 5 after that.

If he can stay healthy, he's still a top ten QB.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Morgbug on August 19, 2009, 01:42 AM
And look what he did for Thomas Jones  ;)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Nicklab on August 19, 2009, 01:53 AM
In the mental aspect of the game, Favre is as good if not better than almost every other QB in the league.  But can he hold up physically?  He admitted himself that his shoulder was messed up and that's what led to his season with the Jets being such a fiasco.  Is the shoulder 100%?  Probably not.  But then he's a 40 year old in a league where the average age is down in the mid 20's.  And I could see pass rushers trying to hit him on his right side in order to affect the passing game.

And he seems to think that he fits much better with the Vikings offense than he did with the Jets.  He said on Joe Buck's show that he could basically teach that offense because he knows it so well.  Is that going to mean wins?  We'll see.  I'm not sure about the rest of the NFC North.  

My true passion lies with the Giants.  But the receiving corps is a big question mark.  There are no real standout receivers.  Could that make Eli Manning take more of a Brady-esque approach, and spread the ball around a lot more?  I hope so.  The Pats offense is designed to make defenses spread out and cover everyone.  And thankfully the Giants pass rush is still alive and well.  Too bad I missed the game last night, though.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Sugart on August 19, 2009, 07:14 AM
Philly was 3rd  total yards per game, passing yards per game, sacks, and 4th in scoring with 18.1 ppg and rushing. Its not how I rank them the 2rd best defense in the league, its how the NFL does. Stats dont lie.

Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on August 19, 2009, 10:51 AM
The Eagles defense is a question mark this year with the unfortunate passing of Jim Johnson.  They may very well be solid again, but no one can say with any real certainty what's going to happen with that group.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Sugart on August 19, 2009, 05:50 PM
For once I agree, and I mentioned that I expect a drop off with the passing of JJ, the loss of Dawkins and now the injury to Bradley. Alot of guys are gonna have to mature fast, but I still think they will be top half of the league.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: I Am Sith on August 20, 2009, 01:54 PM
Plaxico Going To The Big House (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=txburressweaponscharge&prov=st&type=lgns)

And I'm not talking about The University of Michigan...

I'm sure he'll be starting for the Eagles in 2011 when he's expected to get out...
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Jesse James on August 20, 2009, 02:46 PM
I'm sure he'll be starting for the Eagles in 2011 when he's expected to get out...

Hah.  :D
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 20, 2009, 07:27 PM
I think Plaxico should be punished for carrying an unlicensed handgun in NYC, but not this severely.  Facts:

1.  He was licensed to carry the handgun in Florida.  That should have factored into the decision.

2.  The gun was not used in the commission of a crime.  He only shot himself and it was by accident.

Unlucky for Plax, a law was recently struck down in the Senate to allow a concealed handgun permit owner to cross state lines without re-applying in a new state.

It just seems like a paperwork thing.  Don't get me wrong, he knew that it was wrong to take that gun to NYC, and he did it anyway.  But if Donte' Stallworth can get in a car DUI and run someone over, taking their life, and get 30 days in jail, then Plax should be able to shoot himself in the leg and get the same sentence or less.

2 years is just a little too severe.  If he pointed that gun at somebody, or used it in a crime, I say throw the book at him, lock him up, and throw away the key.  I wouldn't care if he ever saw daylight again.

But I don't agree with what's happening to him here.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Ryan on August 20, 2009, 08:06 PM
I think Plaxico should be punished for carrying an unlicensed handgun in NYC, but not this severely.  Facts:

1.  He was licensed to carry the handgun in Florida.  That should have factored into the decision.

2.  The gun was not used in the commission of a crime.  He only shot himself and it was by accident.

Unlucky for Plax, a law was recently struck down in the Senate to allow a concealed handgun permit owner to cross state lines without re-applying in a new state.

It just seems like a paperwork thing.  Don't get me wrong, he knew that it was wrong to take that gun to NYC, and he did it anyway.  But if Donte' Stallworth can get in a car DUI and run someone over, taking their life, and get 30 days in jail, then Plax should be able to shoot himself in the leg and get the same sentence or less.

2 years is just a little too severe.  If he pointed that gun at somebody, or used it in a crime, I say throw the book at him, lock him up, and throw away the key.  I wouldn't care if he ever saw daylight again.

But I don't agree with what's happening to him here.

His Florida license expired in May of 2008 though... so he didn't have a current license to conceal the weapon in any US state at the time. Allegedly the bullet almost his a bouncer at the night club as well. Other people were put at risk.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on August 20, 2009, 11:12 PM
It was a bit harsh, but he did make a plea deal.  Shame though...he did some stupid things in his career (this being a whopper of one), but compared to Stallworth, Vick, Pac-an Jones he's a saint.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Jesse James on August 21, 2009, 03:19 AM
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2 years is just a little too severe.  If he pointed that gun at somebody, or used it in a crime, I say throw the book at him, lock him up, and throw away the key.  I wouldn't care if he ever saw daylight again.

I agree and don't even like the guy.  I think he's a putz for what he did, on a huge level, and I think he did endanger people.  I think 2 years is excessive though, given how lightly I feel other more severe criminals are treated.  Case-in-point, I think Vick deserved more jail time than he got.  Burress needed something to snap his ass into reality...  Maybe 6 months in and a lengthy probation, but like Matt pointed out, those other guys did far worse, and IMO I'd have been really heavy-handed on all of them.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: ruiner on August 21, 2009, 09:45 AM
Stallworth only got 30 days?!
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: JediJman on August 21, 2009, 11:13 AM
I'm fine with 2 years.  There's no reason not to have it registered - he has money to pay people to take care of paperwork, so that's just dumb.  The bullet almost hit someone else, so we write that off, but what if his bullet did hit and maim or kill someone?  In that case, 2 years would seem pretty light.  His actions would have been no different, but the outcome would have been more severe - should we give him more or less jail time based on random chance?   ???

As for Vick, he definitely should have gotten more jail time and a permanent suspension from NFL. 
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Morgbug on August 21, 2009, 01:19 PM
Stallworth only got 30 days?!

Yup.  While Vick was a multiple offense and a name brand, I think Stallworth should have got more.  He killed a human being for pete's sake.  But apparently that doesn't matter as much. 
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on August 21, 2009, 01:28 PM
Stallworth only got 30 days?!

Yup.  While Vick was a multiple offense and a name brand, I think Stallworth should have got more.  He killed a human being for pete's sake.  But apparently that doesn't matter as much.  

Absolutely Stalworth should have got more than 30 days. That is a joke, but the two different sentences doesn't have anything to do with a dog's life being greater than a human's life. First of all most of Vick's sentence wasn't because of the dogs getting killed but because of the felony conspiracy charge that went with it. And the intent behind the crimes plays a role too.

What Stalworth did was horrible but you have to look at what they person was thinking when they did the crime. I think comparing Burress' two years to Stalworth's 30 days is way more logical.

That is all I will say in this thread since once again it's gone non football.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Nicklab on August 21, 2009, 08:22 PM
ZOMG!!!!!  Watching Brett Favre warm up for tonight's game wearing a Vikings uni.  Very, very strange to see.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Diddly on August 21, 2009, 10:17 PM
Odd... I've been reading reports about how nobody has hit the new HDTVs at Jerryworld, yet Troy and Joe keep talking about how the Titans and the Cowboys both kept hitting it during their warmups.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: ruiner on August 23, 2009, 10:04 PM
The screen was actually hit during the Cowboys Friday night game.  They had to kick a 'do-over.'
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on August 24, 2009, 02:16 AM
Stallworth only got 30 days?!

Yup.  While Vick was a multiple offense and a name brand, I think Stallworth should have got more.  He killed a human being for pete's sake.  But apparently that doesn't matter as much.  

Stallworth did a horrible thing, but it wasn't malicious.  It was a tragic, and very negligent accident.  I've got no sympathy for people who drive drunk, but he's definitely being punished.  His career is for all intents and purposes over.  He's paid a massive settlement.  He'll be under house arrest for two years IIRC.  

Vick bankrolled a dog fighting ring and executed dogs in a number of sickening and essentially evil ways, and he got off easy.  

If Stallworth had killed a human being with any of the malice or intent that Vick employed in fighting and killing dogs, he'd be in jail for life.


As for Plaxico, he was going to get at least 3 years if he didn't plead down to two.  Is it a little harsh for what happend?  Yeah.  But Bloomberg had him in his sights two days after the incident, there was no way he was getting out of legitimate, average-joe type jail time.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: I Am Sith on August 30, 2009, 10:57 PM
I think Collinsworth is one of the best, if not the best, color analysts currently working so I'm looking forward to him in the booth with Al.

Did anyone catch the gem that Collinsworth had tonight during the first half of the Bears/Broncos game about Cutler, Olson and Olson's new wife...  'It's a 3-some with them in Chicago...'  If he's going to be putting up stuff like that all year I will definitely be tuning in on Sunday nights!
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on September 3, 2009, 01:32 PM
The Bucs just fired their OC with 10 days to go before the season starts.

I sincerely think we're looking at 2-14.
Title: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on September 3, 2009, 01:47 PM
Since we're so close I thought I'd get this started up.

Go Vikings vs. Patriots Super Bowl.

edit-the combining of these two threads kind of made this post random.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 3, 2009, 03:44 PM
The Bucs just fired their OC with 10 days to go before the season starts.

I sincerely think we're looking at 2-14.

It just makes no sense.  It should have been done 4 months ago then.

I think they have a good defense and a good backfield, but question marks after that.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2009
Post by: Rob on September 3, 2009, 05:02 PM
The Bucs just fired their OC with 10 days to go before the season starts.

I sincerely think we're looking at 2-14.

It just makes no sense.  It should have been done 4 months ago then.

I think they have a good defense and a good backfield, but question marks after that.

Actually, I think their offense has a lot of good players on it... but no QB so the whole thing goes out the window.  They've got Kellen Winslow, Antonio Bryant, Derrick Ward, Ernest Graham, Cadillac Williams is back... Jeremy Stevens is solid.  The offensive line is full of 1st and 2nd rounders...  But until Josh Freeman is ready (if he's ever ready) there's no one to steer the ship.

Rumor has it that Jagosinski (sp?) was butting heads with Greg Olsen (who takes over at OC and has a **** resume - like seriously terrible) over who should win the QB job.  Further rumor is that he apparently wasn't really qualified.  Although, why hire the guy in the first place.

****... bad day to be a Bucs fan.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on September 3, 2009, 07:05 PM
Since we're so close I thought I'd get this started up.

Go Vikings vs. Patriots Super Bowl.

edit-the combining of these two threads kind of made this post random.
Not really...it is never too early for predictions.  Since most starters won't play this week...here are my annual predictions

NFC East: Eagles
NFC North: Vikings
NFC South: Saints
NFC West: Arizona

AFC East: Patriots
AFC North: Steelers
AFC South: Titans
AFC West: Chargers

Super Bowl: Vikings over Steelers >:D
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Ryan on September 3, 2009, 07:19 PM
NFC East: Eagles
NFC North: Bears
NFC South: Panthers
NFC West: Arizona (San Fran may give them a run)

AFC East:I'm going out on a limb and will say Miami barely beats out New England
AFC North: Steelers
AFC South: Houston (The dark horse)
AFC West: Is it possible to not have a division winner? ::) Chargers, I guess.

Super Bowl

Panthers over the Houston Texans... Seriously. I think Houston will surprise people this year.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on September 3, 2009, 10:22 PM
Nah, we'll see a remake of the '96 Super Bowl.  Packers 31 - Patriots 28.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on September 3, 2009, 11:20 PM
Super Bowl: Vikings over Steelers >:D

It'd be fun sending Favre back into retirement, but I obviously don't agree with your prediction. ;)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Diddly on September 3, 2009, 11:58 PM
I think Houston will surprise people this year.

YES! Houston has the ability to go 10-6 or 11-5 this year. I don't see them getting to the Super Bowl, but they could at least get to the divisional round in the playoffs.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on September 4, 2009, 12:22 AM
Why not...

NFC East: Cowboys
NFC North: Packers
NFC South: Saints
NFC West: Seahawks

AFC East: Patriots
AFC North: Steelers
AFC South: Colts
AFC West: Chargers

Superbowl:  Saints over Chargers.

Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 4, 2009, 02:00 AM
Wow Rob, when you dream...you dream in color!   ;D
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on September 4, 2009, 02:50 AM
The Saints have a real defensive coordinator for the first time in forever.  If he can make their defense half as good as their offense, they're going to win a lot more games.  The Chargers get Meriman back and that should help them a lot.  I'm going out on a limb more than most people do, but if I'm right... you heard it here first.   :)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Diddly on September 4, 2009, 03:03 AM
NFC East: Eagles
NFC North: Vikings
NFC South: Panthers
NFC West: 49ers

AFC East: Patriots
AFC North: Steelers
AFC South: Texans
AFC West: Chargers

Super Bowl: Patriots over Panthers
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on September 4, 2009, 11:26 AM
Who wants a crappy quarterback who has no accuracy? T Jacks on the market. Show of hands please.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 4, 2009, 11:27 AM
NFC East: Giants
NFC North: Vikings
NFC South: Saints
NFC West: Cardinals

WC: Eagles, Falcons

AFC East: Patriots
AFC North: Steelers
AFC South: Colts
AFC West: Chargers

WC:  Ravens, Texans

Superbowl: Giants over Patriots!  Again!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on September 4, 2009, 11:31 AM
Not so sure about the Giants anymore. Without shooty Joe (Burress) this year and if Usi acts like a five year old and storms out some more..........
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on September 4, 2009, 12:07 PM
The Giants will be awesome.  Manning's getting better by the year... as long as Brandon Jacobs stays healthy the Giants will win lots of games (so will my fantasy team.  8) )  I've just got a feeling that with TO, Pacman, and Tank out, and with Romo feeling the heat to win some playoff games, the Cowboys are going to go off this year.  I'm probably dead wrong on that, but it's my early guess.  

I'd definitely have the Giants as division champs or a wild card though.  

I think the Eagles take a step back defensively with Jim Johnson gone.  I also doubt that Maclin will be able to become a big time WR this year.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 4, 2009, 12:10 PM
Not so sure about the Giants anymore. Without shooty Joe (Burress) this year and if Usi acts like a five year old and storms out some more..........

Hakeem Nicks keeps catching TD bombs this preseason, he look like an adequate substitute for Burress.  Granted he's like 6' 1" to Burress' 6' 6", but I saw like 3 of Nicks' TD catches with my own eyes.

Nicks looks good.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Morgbug on September 4, 2009, 10:43 PM
Against second string corners?
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 6, 2009, 05:40 PM
Against second string corners?

Are you telling me, or asking me?

I don't know who all of the cornerbacks were.  It probably wasn't Champ Bailey, but aside from that I'm not sure.

-------------------------------------------------

Anyhow, Shawne Merriman is a 'roided up idiot.  After being suspended for steroids, now he's strangled a 5' 100 lb. female and has been arrested.

Supreme talent, tiny brain.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 6, 2009, 05:44 PM
I've just got a feeling that with TO, Pacman, and Tank out, and with Romo feeling the heat to win some playoff games, the Cowboys are going to go off this year.  

There hasn't been a team yet that's been better after Owens has left.  Neither the 49ers nor Eagles has to date been able to replace him at WR (being the 5th best in history, that should come as no surprise), and the Cowboys will need a lot from a couple players to be the exception.

Witten and Roy Williams will be able to hold it down okay, but the Cowboys are banking on Felix Jones to be able to catch a lot of passes out of the backfield, and light it up.

From what I saw of Felix Jones last year, that's a realistic possibity.  He is electric.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Morgbug on September 6, 2009, 10:47 PM
Against second string corners?

Are you telling me, or asking me?


Asking.  I just won't get excited by anyone's preseason stats is all.  I think Nicks is a talent for sure and possibly a round 2 pick in years to come, I just don't think he justifies the love this year is all.  I've been wrong before, will be again...
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on September 6, 2009, 11:51 PM
There hasn't been a team yet that's been better after Owens has left.  Neither the 49ers nor Eagles has to date been able to replace him at WR (being the 5th best in history, that should come as no surprise), and the Cowboys will need a lot from a couple players to be the exception.

That's true, but none of those teams has won a Superbowl with him there either, and the Eagles got through the playoffs without him.  He causes all sorts of problems even if he catches touchdown passes.  He's how old now?  36?  At some point his on-field production isn't going to be enough to justify the amount of trouble he causes in the locker room. 

A lot of this will hinge on Roy Williams.  If he can be the #1 everyone expects him to be, then the Cowboys should be able to do what the Eagles and Niners couldn't - be better without Owens.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Morgbug on September 7, 2009, 12:13 AM
At some point his on-field production isn't going to be enough to justify the amount of trouble he causes in the locker room. 


Given I drafted him, I'd suggest that his production will dip this year.  I don't think his attitude will be an issue though, moreso just his performance.  I expect he'll have his usual honeymoon period.  Hence my high hopes for Gonzalez, Avery, Bennett and Mason (speaking of geriatrics).
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on September 7, 2009, 12:46 AM
I expect Owens production to drop off just due to who's throwing him the ball.  And, Lee Evans is no slouch, Maybe that frees things up for Owens, but I'm guessing that at least early in the year defenses key on Owens, freeing things up for Evans.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Morgbug on September 7, 2009, 02:56 AM
Yeah, I've been waiting years for Evans to open up the field.  I think your comment about who's throwing the ball is most appropriate. :-X
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Ryan on September 7, 2009, 04:07 AM
Didn't Buffalo just fire their Offensive Coordinator this week too? That can't be a good sign.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on September 7, 2009, 09:16 AM
Yep, them, KC, and Tampa.  Three teams destined to go deep into the playoffs!   :P
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 7, 2009, 09:37 AM
Didn't Buffalo just fire their Offensive Coordinator this week too? That can't be a good sign.

Yes.  TO didn't want him, it was him or the coordinator and look who won.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 7, 2009, 01:56 PM
Yep, them, KC, and Tampa.  Three teams destined to go deep into the playoffs!   :P

We have tickets to see the Broncos play KC here in Denver the last week of the regular season...perhaps the Broncos will pull off a win!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on September 8, 2009, 02:50 AM
Didn't Buffalo just fire their Offensive Coordinator this week too? That can't be a good sign.

Yes.  TO didn't want him, it was him or the coordinator and look who won.

No ****?  I didn't read that anywhere, do you have a link?

My opinion of Owens isn't a secret, so I can't say I'm surprised.  I wonder how that decision, if it's true, went over with the returning offensive players?
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 8, 2009, 12:48 PM


No ****?  I didn't read that anywhere, do you have a link?



No, it was ****.  I was just kidding about that!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Mikey D on September 8, 2009, 02:08 PM
My predictions for what they're worth.  If anyone other than the Steelers or Pats come out of the AFC, I'll be surprised.  Maybe the Colts or Chargers, but I don't think they're quite up to the level of the two powerhouses battling for team of the decade honors (especially the Chargers.  They'll probably choke like every year and then whine about it).

The NFC is more wide open - the Eagles, Giants, Vikings, Bears, Cardinals, Packers, Saints and Falcons could all make it the Super Bowl and I wouldn't be surprised.  Hell maybe this is the year Romo stops thinking about Jessica Simpson's boobies and actually does something in the playoffs (doubtful).

AFC:
North - Steelers
South - Colts
East - Pats
West - Chargers
WC - Titans
WC - Ravens

NFC:
North - Bears
South - Saints
East - Eagles
West - Cardinals
WC - Giants
WC - Vikings
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on September 8, 2009, 06:00 PM
The Falcons over-achieved last year.  Hopefully they'll fall back to earth.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on September 8, 2009, 06:13 PM
The Falcons over-achieved last year.  Hopefully they'll fall back to earth.
And the Saint Under...so maybe they'll go back to 2007 :-\
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on September 8, 2009, 06:53 PM
I'm not saying Stafford won't be a good NFL QB some day, but starting him in game one makes me excited for another 0-16 season for the Lions.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on September 8, 2009, 06:58 PM
I'm not saying Stafford won't be a good NFL QB some day, but starting him in game one makes me excited for another 0-16 season for the Lions.

I hope so, if they can get to 0-13 they'll take the worst-ever-losting-streak thing away from the Bucs.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on September 8, 2009, 10:25 PM
You guys have to really try hard to be the biggest losers on Earth though, as my Pittsburgh Pirates are enjoying that title and won't let any lame-ass losing streak top their consecutive losing seasons streak.  Bitches!  And in the same year both other pro teams in the city win championships!  Incredible.

And you suck Dressel. :(  I was all geeked to read that.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Mikey D on September 9, 2009, 10:12 AM
It's that time again for TV distribution maps  ;D

CBS Single Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2009/01-CBS.html)

Fox Early Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2009/01-FOX-E.html)

Fox Late Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2009/01-FOX-L.html)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 10, 2009, 01:26 AM
For those of you with DirecTv, they are having a free preview of Sunday Ticket this Sunday.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JabbaJoe on September 10, 2009, 06:51 AM
For those of you with DirecTv, they are having a free preview of Sunday Ticket this Sunday.

I just got DirecTV and noticed that, but unfortunately won't be able to take advantage of it since I work 11 am to 9 pm on Sundays. >:( :'(
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on September 11, 2009, 12:48 AM
Holy ****, that's finally over.   ::)  If Pollamalu is out a while, that's going to suck.  He's such a tremendous athlete, he'll be missed sorely if he's not coming back anytime soon, and his injury looked painful.

A nice win, and I still love Hines Ward.  Man though, just fall on it and end the game, haha.  Sheesh though, what a game.

Oh, and I'd really like to ball Fergie because her opening concert outfit was...  oofah.  That is all.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 11, 2009, 01:42 AM
It's quite possible we just saw the AFC Championship part 1 tonight.  Both teams played very well.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on September 11, 2009, 02:40 AM
I think Pittsburgh is right there at the end, but I'm not sold on the Titans. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on September 11, 2009, 08:06 AM
Depending on how hurt Troy is, if I was Pitt I may trade that win to have his knee magically healed. They obviously are a great team still, but...........
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 11, 2009, 09:01 AM
Holy ****, that's finally over.   ::)  If Pollamalu is out a while, that's going to suck.  He's such a tremendous athlete, he'll be missed sorely if he's not coming back anytime soon, and his injury looked painful.


The Madden Curse is alive and well - sprained MCL out 3-6 weeks.

Larry Fitzgerald better be careful.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on September 11, 2009, 03:20 PM
3 to 6 isn't bad.  That's a blessing given what was being speculated last night.

He's a beast too...  I mean, that one-hand-pick last night.  You gotta love stuff like that.

His injury really sucks because a little girl with cancer he's friends with was at the game on his invite, and then he went out early.  She'd just gotten news her cancer had returned and she needs another surgery, and I'm sure she was enjoying the game and watching him, and then that injury.  That really was a bummer the local news was running after the game then.  :-\
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on September 13, 2009, 01:55 AM
He's a beast too... 

That explains all the flags thrown his way before he got hurt.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: evenflow on September 13, 2009, 10:15 PM
Jets looked damn good today! Probably won't next week but i will be happy with it today.  ;D
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Ryan on September 13, 2009, 10:30 PM
The Broncos game was mostly a snoozer today until that last two minutes. That was one hell of a finish. I think is going to be tough for another end to top that one this year.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on September 14, 2009, 12:32 AM
He's a beast too... 

That explains all the flags thrown his way before he got hurt.

That and some of them were pretty clearly bull****, even to the announcers.  **** happens. :)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on September 14, 2009, 12:45 AM
I think Cutler was trying to break Favre's career interception record tonight...yowza!  I really didn't want either team to win, I think tonight proves that the Bears are the most overrated team in the NFL
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 14, 2009, 01:21 AM
I think Cutler was trying to break Favre's career interception record tonight...yowza!  I really didn't want either team to win, I think tonight proves that the Bears are the most overrated team in the NFL

Overrated by who?  I haven't seen anyone consider the Bears good for 2 years.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on September 14, 2009, 01:22 AM
I think Cutler was trying to break Favre's career interception record tonight...yowza!  I really didn't want either team to win, I think tonight proves that the Bears are the most overrated team in the NFL

I think the Bears are a solid team outside of their newbs at WR.  Knox alone was at fault for two of the Packer INTs.  They either need those guys to develop ASAP or they need to get someone with experience via trade or waivers.  Would be interesting if Brandon Marshall ended up going there.

All in all, it was a pretty good game right down to the end.  The Jennings TD killed me in the JD FFL league, but gave me the win in two others (and a Packers win!) so no complaints.  Congrats on taking out the 2nd highest scorer this week Ruiner.   :P
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on September 14, 2009, 01:27 AM
I think Cutler was trying to break Favre's career interception record tonight...yowza!  I really didn't want either team to win, I think tonight proves that the Bears are the most overrated team in the NFL

Overrated by who?  I haven't seen anyone consider the Bears good for 2 years.
The national media has been consistently picking them to win the North...and even the Super Bowl

People like crazy Peter King (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/09/01/main/index.html?eref=sihpT1)
ESPN thinks they are the 11th Best team in the league (http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on September 14, 2009, 01:36 AM
ESPN thinks they are the 11th Best team in the league (http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings)

Okay, that's not even the top ten and they have the Vikings ranked above them.  Their forecast is 9-7...I don't think that's out of their range.  As the comment next to the prediction says, "I still don't see how Jay Cutler can play his best without proven wide receivers."
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on September 14, 2009, 01:38 AM
It is still top 1/3 of the league and I think that is still overrated.  Their D is OLD and they have no receivers.  I'm not going to list all of the preseason lists I saw but I would bet over half picked the Bears to win the North and I just don't see it
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 14, 2009, 03:05 AM
The Giants looked good overall, but they still seem to have trouble in the red zone.  Still, I was a bit worried about the passing game without Burress and Toomer...glad to see the rookies as well as Brandon Jacobs step up.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: ruiner on September 14, 2009, 12:26 PM
In more Bears news, Urlacher is out for the season.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 14, 2009, 12:29 PM
In more Bears news, Urlacher is out for the season.

Holy crap, that's really bad for the D. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jeff on September 14, 2009, 12:30 PM
Sadly, that might make their D better...  :P
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: ruiner on September 14, 2009, 12:53 PM
Honestly, it doesn't matter with the way GB and MN are playing. . .the QB curse continues in Chi-Town.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on September 14, 2009, 01:47 PM
Michaels jinxed him last night talking about how the Bears were excited about Urlacher because he was FINALLY healthy.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Ryan on September 14, 2009, 07:03 PM
Honestly, it doesn't matter with the way GB and MN are playing. . .the QB curse continues in Chi-Town.

To be fair, some of those interceptions (I only saw the last one) were the receiver's fault, not Cutler's. On that last pick the just stopped. He needed to keep coming back to the ball, that was all his fault and Cutler shouldn't have been blamed fro that one.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: ruiner on September 14, 2009, 11:26 PM
An INT is still an INT at the end of the day.  But I hear what you're saying.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Mikey D on September 16, 2009, 11:21 AM
Week 2 TV maps:

CBS Early Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2009/02-CBS-E.html)

CBS Late Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2009/02-CBS-L.html)

Fox Single Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2009/02-FOX.html)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 21, 2009, 01:06 AM
What a Sunday night game!  I don't think I have any finger nails left!!!

Broncos played well too.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on September 21, 2009, 02:16 AM
Steelers ate it and deserved to lose.  Casey Hampton said it best (and boy was he pissed) in the post-game locally when he said we had that game won a few times, and just handed it to them.  And it by far and away wasn't anything to do with Casey Hampton, haha.  So I guess that's as good as a middle finger to his offense which only the pass looked good at times.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JabbaJoe on September 22, 2009, 10:07 AM
I can't believe my Dolphins blew that game last night! >:(  Our offense dominated the clock and our defense kept on giving up stupid big plays to the Colts passing game.  Man our defense stinks this year. >:(  I have a felling I am in for a very long and disappointing season this year, since we overachieved last year and have a tougher schedule this year. >:( :'(
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on September 22, 2009, 10:21 AM
The Dolphins run the Wild Cat well and shouldn't stop running it, but man do I hate watching it. It's not even NFL football. It's like watching a college team play an NFL team.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on September 22, 2009, 11:15 AM
Indy is the master of the no huddle offense.  Its pretty amazing to see how quickly they can burn through plays when they want to and it keeps the defense completely off balance.  Wish some other teams would catch on to that strategy (cough cough Packers cough cough).  Tough loss for Miami last night - I almost thought they were going to pull it off for a while there.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 22, 2009, 09:18 PM
I think Miami is the best 0-2 team out there.  They held in pretty well last night and they'll start winning some games soon.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on September 22, 2009, 10:04 PM
I think Miami is the best 0-2 team out there.  They held in pretty well last night and they'll start winning some games soon.

I'd certainly go with them or Tennessee.  Despite a mediocre pass defense, their run defense is solid and their running game is second to none right now.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 22, 2009, 11:33 PM
I forgot about the Titans...odd since my Mother-in-law lives out there now.

It will be interesting to see where both of these teams end up.  I'm betting that Miami beats the Patriots....Brady looks like crap because a) he didn't play last year and b) he's not used to being under pressure.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Mikey D on September 23, 2009, 11:34 AM
Week 3 TV maps

CBS Early Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2009/03-CBS-E.html)

CBS Late Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2009/03-CBS-L.html)

Fox Single Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2009/03-FOX.html)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Diddly on September 26, 2009, 04:26 PM
Ugh, no good games are showing in my area. Looks like I'll be skipping NFL to study for a test that takes place during MNF this week. :-[
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 26, 2009, 05:32 PM
Ugh, no good games are showing in my area. Looks like I'll be skipping NFL to study for a test that takes place during MNF this week. :-[

This should be banned through Congressional legislation.

This professor is obviously losing their freaking mind...
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on September 27, 2009, 05:40 PM
I think I am slowly becoming a Farve Fan :-[
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on September 27, 2009, 06:55 PM
I think I am slowly becoming a Farve Fan :-[

That was awesome!!!!!!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on September 27, 2009, 07:32 PM
Wow, that was a flashback to the days of old.  Congrats on the last minute win Purple People - SF definitely outplayed the Vikes today, but a win is a win.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 27, 2009, 08:06 PM
I think I am slowly becoming a Farve Fan :-[

Before you order a custom jersey, make sure you swap the "r" and the "v".
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on September 27, 2009, 09:33 PM
I think I am slowly becoming a Farve Fan :-[

Before you order a custom jersey, make sure you swap the "r" and the "v".
I'm not going to stop calling him Farve even though I love him ::) (Although I did stop calling him Beth (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=6632.msg35897#msg35897))

ANd I totally disagree that SF outplayed MN today.   That blocked FG was huge but MN pretty much dominated everything else.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on September 28, 2009, 12:06 AM
ANd I totally disagree that SF outplayed MN today.   That blocked FG was huge but MN pretty much dominated everything else.

Scott, could you possibly be more of a homer?   :-*  Given the circumstances, I think the Vikes were very lucky to walk away with a win.  The 49ers with S. Hill had the game won up until the final 2 seconds of the game despite losing Gore (their only real offensive weapon) on the very first play.  Hill was a match for future HOF'r Favre (Hill was actually more accurate) and they held the league's #1 RB to 85 rushing yards, no TDs.  The Vikes missed a FG (returned for a TD), got a lucky break with Harvin's kick return, and gave up the lead to the 49ers twice while playing at home. 

That's hardly what I would call "dominating" every aspect of the game.  Look up the Packers vs. St. Louis this week for a more accurate definition of dominating.   ;)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on September 28, 2009, 12:21 AM
Did you watch the game? 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on September 28, 2009, 01:57 AM
Steelers ate **** and I'm disappointed, but it was a fairly good game though to watch at least.  Another "had it and handed it away" performance though, which is sad, and deja vu for their post-super bowl performances lately.

I liked the MN game, I thought it was really good... what I caught of it anyway.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JabbaJoe on September 28, 2009, 05:51 AM
My Dolphins lost again and Chad Pennington got injured.  Our season may be lost if he is gone for any great length of time. :'(
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on September 28, 2009, 08:03 AM
The Vikings and Patriots both won yet it was still a bad day because my dream of back to back no win seasons for the Lions is over.

And I love that JediJman called you a homer Scott. Cause he isn't one for the Pack?  :-\
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on September 28, 2009, 10:03 AM
The Vikings and Patriots both won yet it was still a bad day because my dream of back to back no win seasons for the Lions is over.

And I love that JediJman called you a homer Scott. Cause he isn't one for the Pack?  :-\

Hey, I will be the first to admit that the Packers got outplayed by the Bungles last week.  Rodgers was off, the receivers couldn't catch anything, and the defense was awful outside of Woodsoon (C. Benson 140 yards?  really!?)  There's a difference between being a big fan of your team vs. living in a fantasy land where they are always perfect.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on September 28, 2009, 10:06 AM
The Vikings and Patriots both won yet it was still a bad day because my dream of back to back no win seasons for the Lions is over.

And I love that JediJman called you a homer Scott. Cause he isn't one for the Pack?  :-\

Hey, I will be the first to admit that the Packers got outplayed by the Bungles last week.  Rodgers was off, the receivers couldn't catch anything, and the defense was awful outside of Woodsoon (C. Benson 140 yards?  really!?)  There's a difference between being a big fan of your team vs. living in a fantasy land where they are always perfect.

I can't argue that. I guess I didn't take Scott's words quite as strong as you did.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on September 28, 2009, 10:38 AM
Did you watch the game? 
I'll ask this again...did you watch the game Justin?
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on September 28, 2009, 10:41 AM
Did you watch the game? 
I'll ask this again...did you watch the game Justin?

I think what Justin is is whatever the opposite of a homer is towards the Vikings.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on September 28, 2009, 01:21 PM
Did you watch the game? 
I'll ask this again...did you watch the game Justin?

Yes, I did watch the game.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on September 28, 2009, 01:22 PM
I think what Justin is is whatever the opposite of a homer is towards the Vikings.

Okay, THAT doesn't even make sense.  Are you still drunk from the combined Pats/Vikes wins yesterday?
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on September 28, 2009, 01:25 PM
I think what Justin is is whatever the opposite of a homer is towards the Vikings.

Okay, THAT doesn't even make sense.  Are you still drunk from the combined Pats/Vikes wins yesterday?

Nope. Just calling it like I see it.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on September 28, 2009, 01:43 PM
Nope. Just calling it like I see it.

Well, amen to that philosophy.   ;)  Out of curiosity, did you think the Vikes dominated the 49ers yesterday? 

Anyone have big plans for the big Vikings/Packers showdown on Monday?  A buddy at work lucked out and won the office pool for 2 tickets.  (We still have to pay the $80, but at least we get to go).  I cannot wait to see Rodgers vs. Favre.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on September 28, 2009, 01:46 PM
I did not think the Vikes dominated the Niners. I am also not basing my "philosophy" of your anti-Vikingness on this one discussion.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on September 28, 2009, 05:16 PM
I did not think the Vikes dominated the Niners. I am also not basing my "philosophy" of your anti-Vikingness on this one discussion.

Okay, then at least you and I Are back on the same page as I do loathe me some Vikings.   :D

Tough break for Joe and the rest of the Miami fans out there...

"Dolphins QB Chad Pennington will miss the remainder of the season after an MRI revealed a torn capsule in his throwing shoulder."
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: P-Siddy on September 29, 2009, 12:17 AM
Anyone have big plans for the big Vikings/Packers showdown on Monday? 

I have nothing yet, but would like to get together with friends to watch.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on September 29, 2009, 01:09 AM
Did you watch the game? 
I'll ask this again...did you watch the game Justin?

Yes, I did watch the game.

Scott, I'll answer again.  I did watch the game.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on September 29, 2009, 01:18 AM
Alright, so then you saw the Vikings D virtually shut down the 49ers outside of 2 drives the entire game.  The 49ers running game was non existant.  Shaun Hill did play alright and Vernon Davis is truly a monster...but the Vikes dominated both sides of the ball all game...the stats and multiple 3 and outs will back me up.  The blocked FG was THE ONLY REASON the 49ers were going to win that game.  You discredited the kick return as big of a fluke.  I know you can't say this shouldn't have happened or that should have but block FGs for TDs are pretty damn rare.  Kick returns happen pretty much every week.  The FG was a 10 point swing, that doesn't happen and the Vikings absolutely cruise like the stats and my eyes saw happen.  And if you think Hill was on par with Farve...you could not have watched the game.

One place they didn't dominate...our ******* bald headed bastard at Head Coach.  I have and always will despise the way he runs games and the play calling is absolutely terrible a lot of the time.  Singletary outcoached him and their adjustments at half time baffled
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on September 29, 2009, 01:58 AM
OMG.  Here are the stats from the game:

- Favre's completeion % was 52% vs. Hill's 60%
- Favre threw for 300 yards vs. Hill's 200, but 80 of them came on the final drive vs. a prevent defense.
- Both QBs threw for two TDs and a pick
- Both teams had a special teams TD (Block FG vs KR - I would agree that blocking a kick for a return is more rare and by default a more significant achievement, but whatever it's the same result)
- Peterson (the league's #1 RB) had exactly 31 more yards than Glen Freaking Coffee and neither scored
- Neither team had a 100yd receiver, but SF was closest with V. Davis

Your MN Vikings had every possible advantage - #1 rusher in the league, HOF QB, playing at home, early game for a West Coast team on the road, SF #1 RB goes out the first game, etc.  And STILL they managed to lose the lead not once, but twice.

Honestly, did you watch the game or were you dreaming in magical fairy land through most of the above?

Don't get me wrong, it was a good game and a win is a win.  As I said before, kudos on the victory and a sweet 3-0 start.  That said, there was nothing "dominating" about the way they played this game. 

Oh, and why are you ripping on your head coach for being bald?  ???

Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Ryan on September 29, 2009, 04:03 AM
San Fran also didn't convert on a single third down all game...
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on September 29, 2009, 09:03 AM
San Fran also didn't convert on a single third down all game...

And yet, they took the lead twice.  What does that say about the Vikings performance?
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on September 29, 2009, 09:08 AM
San Fran also didn't convert on a single third down all game...

And yet, they took the lead twice.  What does that say about the Vikings performance?
What does that say about your knowledge of the game of football?
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JabbaJoe on September 29, 2009, 09:37 AM
Tough break for Joe and the rest of the Miami fans out there...

"Dolphins QB Chad Pennington will miss the remainder of the season after an MRI revealed a torn capsule in his throwing shoulder."

I was afraid this might be the case when I heard he got injured and I was right.  I hope Henne plays better then he did against the Chargers or we may be in for another painful 1-15 season again. ::)  That was a very painful season for me and it would be very tough to take again. :'( :'(
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on September 29, 2009, 02:11 PM
San Fran also didn't convert on a single third down all game...

And yet, they took the lead twice.  What does that say about the Vikings performance?
What does that say about your knowledge of the game of football?

I don't know what you mean.  Maybe you should try posting your thoughts for a change instead of asking pointless questions.  I'd say that since no one here agrees with your position on how well the vikings DOMINATED the 49ers on Sunday, it's your knowledge of football that we should be questioning.  Now drive up here for a meeting so you can buy me my damn beer.  ;)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on September 29, 2009, 02:12 PM
Tough break for Joe and the rest of the Miami fans out there...

"Dolphins QB Chad Pennington will miss the remainder of the season after an MRI revealed a torn capsule in his throwing shoulder."

I was afraid this might be the case when I heard he got injured and I was right.  I hope Henne plays better then he did against the Chargers or we may be in for another painful 1-15 season again. ::)  That was a very painful season for me and it would be very tough to take again. :'( :'(

Well, he should have a good shot at proving himself this week now that the entire Bills secondary is in the infirmary.  Hopefully lots of little effective passes to Ronnie Brown!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JabbaJoe on September 30, 2009, 08:59 AM
I am glad Bill Parcells is our GM!  Trading for Tyler Thigpen is a great move for the Dolphins. :)  I was very impressed with him last season with Kansas City and I think he will be a good fit to our team. :)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 1, 2009, 08:09 AM
I'm really excited for this Monday's game.

It's a little known fact but Favre actually used to play for the Packers.  ;)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on October 1, 2009, 10:21 AM
I'm really excited for this Monday's game.

It's a little known fact but Favre actually used to play for the Packers.  ;)

I'll admit I'm a little worried about the outcome, but definitely excited about the game.  Hopefully the Pack remembers to bring their offensive line this time.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 1, 2009, 10:25 AM
I'm really excited for this Monday's game.

It's a little known fact but Favre actually used to play for the Packers.  ;)

I'll admit I'm a little worried about the outcome, but definitely excited about the game.  Hopefully the Pack remembers to bring their offensive line this time.

Just remember that if the Packers win you have to be gracious in victory, but if the Vikings win I don't.  ;)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on October 1, 2009, 10:27 AM
I'm really excited for this Monday's game.

It's a little known fact but Favre actually used to play for the Packers.  ;)

I'll admit I'm a little worried about the outcome, but definitely excited about the game.  Hopefully the Pack remembers to bring their offensive line this time.

Just remember that if the Packers win you have to be gracious in victory, but if the Vikings win I don't.  ;)

Okay, but remember if the Vikings win, they needed a Packers QB to do it.   ;D
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 1, 2009, 10:30 AM
I'm really excited for this Monday's game.

It's a little known fact but Favre actually used to play for the Packers.  ;)

I'll admit I'm a little worried about the outcome, but definitely excited about the game.  Hopefully the Pack remembers to bring their offensive line this time.

Just remember that if the Packers win you have to be gracious in victory, but if the Vikings win I don't.  ;)

Okay, but remember if the Vikings win, they needed a Packers QB to do it.   ;D

You better believe it. That's what happens when your team thinks T Jack is a real QB for a couple years.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JabbaJoe on October 5, 2009, 08:29 AM
Nothing like beating up on a division opponent like the Buffalo Bills to get your first win of the season! :)  I love beating up on those much hated division opponents, makes me feel good. 8)  Go Dolphins!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on October 5, 2009, 11:59 AM
How about neither Cinci nor Cleveland being able to beat out the other until the last few seconds of a 5th quarter yesterday.  That was either a fierce rivalry game or two of the most pathetic teams playing right now.  I had high hopes for a second Detroit win yesterday, but as usual, they let it get away from them in the second half.  Now we just need to see the Packers pound the tar out of the Vikings tonight... :D
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 5, 2009, 12:37 PM
How about neither Cinci nor Cleveland being able to beat out the other until the last few seconds of a 5th quarter yesterday.  That was either a fierce rivalry game or two of the most pathetic teams playing right now.  I had high hopes for a second Detroit win yesterday, but as usual, they let it get away from them in the second half.  Now we just need to see the Packers pound the tar out of the Vikings tonight... :D

I like the Vikings tonight.

You've been over-rating the Packers since Playoffs 2007.  Vikings have a better D, better O-line, better running game, and the QB's are close - although I give a very slight edge to Aaron Rodgers.  The Packers have a better receiving corps.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on October 5, 2009, 03:53 PM
I like the Vikings tonight.

You've been over-rating the Packers since Playoffs 2007.  Vikings have a better D, better O-line, better running game, and the QB's are close - although I give a very slight edge to Aaron Rodgers.  The Packers have a better receiving corps.

Well, I think I posted earlier that I give the Packers about a 40% shot of winning tonight.  The Vikes have a stronger line, better running game, probably a better overall defense and they're playing at home.  Rodgers does not have a good track record against them and we had no running game to speak of last week against lowly St. Louis.  I think the Packers are faster with the 3-4 in place and we probably have the best cornerback tandem in the league right now, but if Benson can put up 140 yards on us at home, I'm a little worried about what Peterson will do.  All that said, I'm going to the game, so I'm going to cheer them on until the end.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 5, 2009, 04:27 PM
  All that said, I'm going to the game, so I'm going to cheer them on until the end.

That is awesome.  I gotta get back to an NFL game soon.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: P-Siddy on October 5, 2009, 04:44 PM
Justin, true fan... I like that! Admit chances are slim, but you're going to enjoy the game anyways! Cool that you are going to the game tonight!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on October 5, 2009, 05:54 PM
That is awesome.  I gotta get back to an NFL game soon.
Justin, true fan... I like that! Admit chances are slim, but you're going to enjoy the game anyways! Cool that you are going to the game tonight!

Thanks guys!  I'm pretty excited about lucking my way into tickets for tonight.  If you're watching the game, be on the lookout for two guys in Packer garb waving a green and a gold flag!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Morgbug on October 5, 2009, 11:02 PM
So Scott,
ya gonna come out and buy a Favre Vikings jersey when I pick mine up :o
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 6, 2009, 01:21 AM
Good game tonight.  Odd record Favre got tonight...first QB to defeat all 32 NFL teams.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on October 6, 2009, 01:52 AM
Hmm, that is an odd record.  Never really thought of that one.

Good for him, that's one of those weird things I'd think you'd be strangely proud of more than other stuff, just because it's so unlikely.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on October 6, 2009, 03:14 AM
I too got to go to the game tonight due to some last minute luck.  Weird game...again I thought the Vikings pretty much dominated but let up way too many big plays in the secondary and played way way way too conservatively in the 4th Quarter.

BTW...I think Jared Allen just got another sack :o :o :o  THat dude was unbelieveable.  I wasn't surprised the D shut down Peterson.  They seem to struggle against 3-4's.  What I was surprised by is that the Packers no longer wanted Farve on their team...they quit on him.  Dude still has lots and lots of game.  Good crowd, lots and lots of noise and another good win. The Packers D while it shut down AP...didn't even get a whiff of #4 tonight.  4-0 baby!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on October 6, 2009, 10:39 AM
I too got to go to the game tonight due to some last minute luck.  Weird game...again I thought the Vikings pretty much dominated but let up way too many big plays in the secondary and played way way way too conservatively in the 4th Quarter.

BTW...I think Jared Allen just got another sack :o :o :o  THat dude was unbelieveable.  I wasn't surprised the D shut down Peterson.  They seem to struggle against 3-4's.  What I was surprised by is that the Packers no longer wanted Farve on their team...they quit on him.  Dude still has lots and lots of game.  Good crowd, lots and lots of noise and another good win. The Packers D while it shut down AP...didn't even get a whiff of #4 tonight.  4-0 baby!

Where were you sitting?  I could have looked you up!  Good game, but the Vikes definitely put it away in the second half.  The Packers offense actually sliced thru the Vikings pretty well between the 20's, but the Vikes passing game was definitely clicking.  I was surprised to see a complete lack of blitzing on our part - that's the whole key to stopping Favre is getting him rattled and/or forcing him to play from behind.  There was one play where I swear he sat back in the pocket for a good 12 seconds - ridiculous.  I thought some of the calls were suspect (were there ANY penalties against the Vikes?) like the taunting call on their first drive, but overall I attribute the loss to a couple of bad turnovers and inability to put any pressure on Favre.  Will be good to see the rematch at Lambeau!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 6, 2009, 12:22 PM
That was an awesome game. Not so thrilled with the play calls by the Vikes at the end, but great outcome.

Gotta disagree on the taunting thing Justin. Your guy standing over I guy talking smack is taunting (and pure stupidity).

And that play where Favre had 12 seconds really was embarrassing.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on October 6, 2009, 05:23 PM
I absolutely loved watching Favre stick it to Ted Thompson.  Pure awesome.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on October 6, 2009, 05:33 PM
Gotta disagree on the taunting thing Justin. Your guy standing over I guy talking smack is taunting (and pure stupidity).

So you're telling me that none of the Viking players talked smack to any of the Packer players throughout the game?  That was a pretty simply play in the middle of the field - I get major taunting calls or excessive celebration, but that's a pretty subjective call especially early in the game.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 7, 2009, 08:09 AM
Gotta disagree on the taunting thing Justin. Your guy standing over I guy talking smack is taunting (and pure stupidity).

So you're telling me that none of the Viking players talked smack to any of the Packer players throughout the game?  That was a pretty simply play in the middle of the field - I get major taunting calls or excessive celebration, but that's a pretty subjective call especially early in the game.

My computer must have deleted the part where I said no one else taunted anyone else in the game. Just like all other penalties only a handful get called and when you stand right over the guy (don't know if you saw a replay on tv of how blatant it was) then when you get called you can't be too upset.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on October 7, 2009, 11:51 AM
My computer must have deleted the part where I said no one else taunted anyone else in the game. Just like all other penalties only a handful get called and when you stand right over the guy (don't know if you saw a replay on tv of how blatant it was) then when you get called you can't be too upset.

I didn't see a replay, so maybe it was more severe than what we saw from our seats.  I'm just a little surprised to see a taunting call on the first Vikings drive - you see guys talking smack throughout the game, but apparently standing over someone makes it much more severe.   ???  I think if there had been a taunting call on the Vikes while the Pack was making their first drive, Viking fans would be sining a different tune about it.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 7, 2009, 11:53 AM
I think if there had been a taunting call on the Vikes while the Pack was making their first drive, Viking fans would be sining a different tune about it.

I'm sure you're right. And then you would be me and I would be you in this conversation. That's creepy.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: P-Siddy on October 7, 2009, 01:53 PM
Plus, we (either in the stands or on TV) don't know what was said. I'm sure there are different levels of smack/taunt that maybe the referee didn't care for what was said (of course, that just makes such calls subjective).
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on October 7, 2009, 04:18 PM
Standing over someone taunting them is often, actually, the reason a call is made...  When you walk away you're giving them the chance to get up, and you can continue your chest-pounding without much of a second look.  But standing over them generally is more likely to start a scuffle. 

Also, the most likely reason for the call early is to "cut the crap" early so nothing escalates.  The officials were ruling a monday night game on national TV, between two heated rivals on a normal night, but also on a night where the one rival's old QB is now on the opposite team.  The early call made sense, trying to reign everyone in from stupidity early so it doesn't get out of hand later.  They even do that at the high school level if they think the game's got a chance of getting more ugly than a taunt, hoping to stop it before it starts.

I don't remember the call that well, but it was maybe a little abrupt.  Still if he was over the guy, that's usually the catalyst for the ref to call it.  Did the calls continue all night like that or no?  I forget now, but I don't recall another one.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jeff on October 7, 2009, 04:43 PM
Also, the most likely reason for the call early is to "cut the crap" early so nothing escalates.  The officials were ruling a monday night game on national TV, between two heated rivals on a normal night, but also on a night where the one rival's old QB is now on the opposite team.  The early call made sense, trying to reign everyone in from stupidity early so it doesn't get out of hand later.  They even do that at the high school level if they think the game's got a chance of getting more ugly than a taunt, hoping to stop it before it starts.

This was kind of my thoughts too.  Sort of like a "lets not get too crazy tonight" type of call, the packers just happened to be on the wrong side first. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on October 7, 2009, 05:15 PM
I thought the Packers at the beginning of the game (in general) were being very aggressive and flashy...pushing after the whistle pointing fingers and throwing arms up in the air etc.  Not that Vikings weren't...it was just the Packers were doing it more.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on October 7, 2009, 05:20 PM
I was surprised there wasn't something called at the end of the half when Allen made a tackle right after the ball was released, and it wasn't even like he brick-walled the guy or anything, but there was apparantly mouthing off coming from the Packer's sideline.  I thought that was going to get someone something in the 3rd but it just sort of dissipated.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on October 7, 2009, 05:32 PM
This was kind of my thoughts too.  Sort of like a "lets not get too crazy tonight" type of call, the packers just happened to be on the wrong side first. 

That's the only "taunting" specific call that I recall seeing.  There are plenty of instances where guys are shoving each other after a heated play and no call is made - anyone who watches football on any given Sunday has seen this.  I have to think that physical force would be a greater issue than standing over someone yelling - no matter how you look at it, it was a very subjective call and doubly suspicious when it goes against the visiting team. 

I can see the case you're making on trying to send a message, but I don't think that makes it right.  How about a verbal warning from the refs first if they want to send a message instead of a 15yard penalty on 3rd down?  You also typically see calls like that quickly reciprocated with a call against the other team to balance things out (Team A gets questionable pass interference, so team B gets a false start).  There were zero penalties on the Vikings in the entire first half - in fact the only call on them that I recall was a neutral zone infraction late in the game when the Pack was going for a 2pt conversion.

The packers had what seemed like a dozen or so penalties (would love to know how many total and for how many negative yards if anyone knows that), including at least two holding calls on kick returns. Arguably the two costliest calls were the 15yd taunting penalty mentioned earlier and a questionable pass interference call on Charles Woodson (anyone else notice that the flag flew AFTER the Packers interception?). Here's the recap from an ESPN writer "Replays showed Woodson making minimal, if any, contact with Sidney Rice, but Peterson plunged in for a touchdown on the next play to make it 21-14."  Minimal contact, but we saw TWO FLAGS FLY?  Really?  Both penalties were questionable and led to touchdowns. The Vikings got three first downs alone from penalties.

I am the first to admit that the Packers did not scheme well or play overly well, but in a close match like this the lopsided calls definitely had an impact. Take away either TD above and you've got a tie game at the end.  And iff there is a taunting call for 15 yards against the Vikes at Lambeau, I will be the first to point out the ridiculousness of it. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on October 7, 2009, 06:36 PM
Take away a touchdown the Vikings Defense doesn't play prevent giving up 9 garbage points and the Offense doesn't play ball control for the entire 4th Quarter

BTW...there were 2 penalties on that Pass Int in the end zone, one for offsides and one for PI.  It looked to me that Woodson pulled on Rice to get to the ball but I didn't see a replay.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Morgbug on October 7, 2009, 07:22 PM
I saw the replay on the pass interference as I was watching at home and indeed it was dubious.  There was contact and the Packer player had his hand on Rice's waist and appeared to pull but he didn't seem to really alter Rice's path.  At the same time the contact was there and you can't reach around a player to grab them while they are running a route so even if he didn't get a firm grip, the action was there making the call valid.  Minimal contact it may have been, but it's still contact.  Yeah, I read the ESPN quote about "if any" and I disagree.  ESPN is just trying to make news and make it more controversial. 

I never saw replays of the offside though.  Probably the thing to remember is two different refs saw two different infractions and have to decide to react or not.  Replays aren't reviewed on every play so yeah, dubious they may have been but reffing isn't easy so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.  You can rub out the pass interference call all you want for a late flag, dubious call or whatever - the offside flag had been lying on the turf for a while already. 

I also think taking away a touchdown completely changes the way the Vikings play the fourth quarter.  Penalties or not the Packers let the Vikings D run wild.  With more motivation they probably wouldn't have slacked off so much in the 4th. 

As for the taunting none of us have a hot clue what was said.  Was it subjective?  Maybe.  Maybe the taunt was highly offensive or threatened personal injury outside of what would normally happen in a game.  We don't and won't know what the ref heard, so we can banter back and forth all day long and nobody is going to do anything other than prove what team they were cheering for. 

As for being typically reciprocated, make up calls are BS even more so than any dubious (or not) first call, so even if the penalty had gone against the Vikings I'd rather not see that kind of crap happen.  Two dubious calls don't fix any damn thing other than to call into question the reffing for the entire game. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Neal on October 7, 2009, 07:44 PM
On a related note, the Vikes/Pack game was the most-watched cable program ever, with approximately 22 million viewers.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on October 8, 2009, 12:19 PM
As for being typically reciprocated, make up calls are BS even more so than any dubious (or not) first call, so even if the penalty had gone against the Vikings I'd rather not see that kind of crap happen.  Two dubious calls don't fix any damn thing other than to call into question the reffing for the entire game. 

Guess I don't see it that way.  It was suggested the call was made early on to let the players know that "funny business" would not be tolerated.  If that was the case, it's far more fair to make the point to both teams, don't you think?  I mean, rather than just giving one team an extra first down and 15 yards to "send a message."

I also don't buy the arguement that the Vikes would have allowed fewer points at the end if the interception wasn't reversed.  We don't really know what would have happened.  Maybe the Packers would have turned it right back over and the scoring would have been exactly the same.  Or maybe the Pack would have scored on that drive and the Vikes would have been playing from behind the rest of the game.  You can't really say how changing an interception call in the end zone when the game is tied would have changed things, which is exactly why I point to those calls as having a significant impact on the game. 

As for the rest of the calls, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that two of the biggest Viking fans on here have found ways to justify it all in their head.  Here are all of the penalties from the first half of the game:

GB - Holding
GB - False Start
GB - Taunting
GB - Holding
GB - Pass Interference & Offisides
GB - Offsides (declined, TD)
GB - Holding

I know I'm a biased as a Packer fan, but doesn't that seem just a bit unusual to anyone else?  Frankly, I'd like to think if the situation was reversed I'd be objective enough to call out the extra advantages my team received.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 8, 2009, 12:25 PM
I try my hardest to take games for what they are. What I mean is I don't care what would have happened with out this or that penalty or if this play hadn't happened. They did and the Vikings won and it won't change. The penalties were lopsided, but I don't buy that the Vikings had just as many penalties as the Pack but the refs just didn't call them. And if they did, oh well, Vikes still won. I don't need to justify anything in my head. We won.

My dad always complains about how the Vikings get hosed in penalty calls and I always roll my eyes and ignore him. I guess I should do that more with you.

It sure is a good thing we knew each other so long before our football feud started.  ;)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on October 8, 2009, 12:27 PM
What were you looking for penalties?  The Vikings broke no big runs so how could they have had holding penalties?    On the road against a hostile and revved up defense you would expect false starts and holds based on the D getting big jumps off the snap.  I agree the taunting was dubious but as I already said, I saw the Pack doing lots more showboating through the first few plays than the Vikings...

As far as hypothetical and the interception, your point is moot, they were already offsides...the Vikes score on the next play either way.  And I stand by assumption that if the game was closer than it was, the 9 garbage points at the end of the game would not have happened and the Vikings would still have kicked their asses
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on October 8, 2009, 12:59 PM
I try my hardest to take games for what they are. What I mean is I don't care what would have happened with out this or that penalty or if this play hadn't happened. They did and the Vikings won and it won't change. The penalties were lopsided, but I don't buy that the Vikings had just as many penalties as the Pack but the refs just didn't call them. And if they did, oh well, Vikes still won.

Amen.  Like I originally said, I'm not blaming outcome of the game solely on the play calling.  I already posted the Packers mistakes that lead to the loss and am not at all saying they would have surely won if not for said calls.  But I am not willing to just ignore the impact that refs & penalties have on the game, especially when it's this lopsided in one team's favor.  Thanks for agreeing on that point - as you said, it's not going to change the outcome of the game. 

What were you looking for penalties?  

Oh, I don't know maybe something more balanced?  Maybe a single call against the Vikes?  Do you not find it at all unusual that the home team would have a 7-0 advantage in penalties in a heated rivalry game?  Take a look at any other game this season and tell me you've seen anything remotely close to this scenario.  I've seen plenty of games where the refs are getting too involved and making too many calls or likewise missing obvious calls that should have been made, but in most of those cases, the penalties are hitting (or not hitting) both teams.  Seven penalties on the Packers and none on the Vikings at home is just plain biased. 

Anyway, I guess we're all entitled to our own opinion and you're biased beyond the point of ever admitting any fault with your team.  I hope to God we see the exact reverse when the Vikes go to Lambeau, so that we can hear all of your objective reasoning for the calls.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on October 8, 2009, 01:49 PM
Wait...wait...so what about the Packers being the 3rd highest flagged team last year and the 2nd highest this year?  I guess they think they need to cheat to be competitive?  The refs should just throw flags against the non cheating team to make it closer, so you can feel better and rationalize your team getting their asses handed to them all night long?
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on October 8, 2009, 03:41 PM
As for the rest of the calls, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that two of the biggest Viking fans on here have found ways to justify it all in their head.  Here are all of the penalties from the first half of the game:

GB - Holding
GB - False Start
GB - Taunting
GB - Holding
GB - Pass Interference & Offisides
GB - Offsides (declined, TD)
GB - Holding

I know I'm a biased as a Packer fan, but doesn't that seem just a bit unusual to anyone else? 

Maybe one team was playing disciplined football and the other wasn't.

Maybe the crowd noise and being on the road has something to do with it.

Or, maybe it's a grand Favre conspiracy by the league.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on October 8, 2009, 04:00 PM
Wait...wait...so what about the Packers being the 3rd highest flagged team last year and the 2nd highest this year?  I guess they think they need to cheat to be competitive?  The refs should just throw flags against the non cheating team to make it closer, so you can feel better and rationalize your team getting their asses handed to them all night long?

This is exactly the kind of blind devotion to your team that I'm talking about.  How did we get from penalties to the Packers cheating?  How do you cheat by taunting?  And if you watched the game at all, you saw the Packers moving the ball well on the Vikes in just about every series.  What did Peterson have, 50 yards against them?  Please.  I think you will rarely find 400 yards of offense from a team "getting their asses handed to them all night long." 

But come on, don't avoid the question. Have you ever seen a game where a visiting team was handed 7 penalties in the first half and the opposing team received none?  I guess I could buy it if the Vikes were squeaky clean, but just look at their penalties from the 49ers game.  Delay of game, roughing the passer, defensive offsides, false start, illegal formation, and offensive holding all in the first half of the game.  But against division rival Green Bay Packers, they did ...nothing?   Oh, they were just more disciplined in this game?  Yeah, that seems pretty likely. 

I'm not going to call it cheating - that's reserved for things like piping noise into the metrodome.  The only "cheating" going on here is being done by either your optometrist or your therapist.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on October 8, 2009, 04:04 PM
You are funny...two weeks ago when Favre had yards against the 49ers defense in prevent that didn't count for you...but when the Packers do the same thing this last week it does?  The Vikings played a squeaky clean game and the Packers got caught cheating 7 times...pretty basic.  Sort of like figuring out the Fantasy Football standings, right?
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on October 8, 2009, 05:29 PM
You are funny...two weeks ago when Favre had yards against the 49ers defense in prevent that didn't count for you...but when the Packers do the same thing this last week it does?  The Vikings played a squeaky clean game and the Packers got caught cheating 7 times...pretty basic.  Sort of like figuring out the Fantasy Football standings, right?

Yes, you've convinced me.  The Packers did nothing and got 400 yards of offense against a prevent defense in the last few minutes of the game.  The Vikings, while racking up numerous penalties just the week prior, played an error free game, while the Packers attempted to cheat on every down.  Furthermore, they put out 3 fires, performed a heart transplant, and helped six old ladies cross the street during half time.  Thank you for the objective reasoning from Mankato to put this all into a realistic perspective. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on October 8, 2009, 05:31 PM
You are funny...two weeks ago when Favre had yards against the 49ers defense in prevent that didn't count for you...but when the Packers do the same thing this last week it does?  The Vikings played a squeaky clean game and the Packers got caught cheating 7 times...pretty basic.  Sort of like figuring out the Fantasy Football standings, right?

Yes, you've convinced me.  The Packers did nothing and got 400 yards of offense against a prevent defense in the last few minutes of the game.  The Vikings, while racking up numerous penalties just the week prior, played an error free game, while the Packers attempted to cheat on every down.  Furthermore, they put out 3 fires, performed a heart transplant, and helped six old ladies cross the street during half time.  Thank you for the objective reasoning from Mankato to put this all into a realistic perspective.  
Well at least you finally rubbed the cheese out of your eyes.  Tell me this oh football genius.  WHY would an NFL ref call penalties on one team and not the other...why?  As I already said, the Packers are the 2nd most penalized team in the league this year...why wouldn't they have more penalties...especially on the road against a superior team
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Morgbug on October 8, 2009, 09:54 PM

Anyway, I guess we're all entitled to our own opinion and you're biased beyond the point of ever admitting any fault with your team. 

Kettle?  Pot?  Black. 

Scott is more biased for the Vikings than you are against the Vikings?  Especially when the pack is involved?  That may be the funniest thing I've ever seen written.  :D

Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: ruiner on October 8, 2009, 10:23 PM
Guys, please don't argue with the first-grader.

He's a little special.

Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on October 8, 2009, 11:18 PM
Kettle?  Pot?  Black. 

Scott is more biased for the Vikings than you are against the Vikings?  Especially when the pack is involved?  That may be the funniest thing I've ever seen written.  :D

Seriously.  Please refer to my first comments after the game.  I'll help you out by posting them again here.  You know, the ones where I said the Vikes had a good game and the Pack blew it by not putting pressure on Favre.  Then find me any post that Scott has made putting down his beloved Vikings or saying anything remotely positive about the Packers.  Please, just one.  They "Dominated" the 49ers and they "dominated" the Packers and I'm sure they would "dominate" pretty much any action these superior individuals ever partake in according to Scotty, but you're calling ME more biased?  Get a clue Brent.

Good game, but the Vikes definitely put it away in the second half.   The Packers offense actually sliced thru the Vikings pretty well between the 20's, but the Vikes passing game was definitely clicking.  I was surprised to see a complete lack of blitzing on our part - that's the whole key to stopping Favre is getting him rattled and/or forcing him to play from behind.  There was one play where I swear he sat back in the pocket for a good 12 seconds - ridiculous.  I thought some of the calls were suspect (were there ANY penalties against the Vikes?) like the taunting call on their first drive, but overall I attribute the loss to a couple of bad turnovers and inability to put any pressure on Favre.  Will be good to see the rematch at Lambeau!

Well at least you finally rubbed the cheese out of your eyes.  Tell me this oh football genius.  WHY would an NFL ref call penalties on one team and not the other...why?  As I already said, the Packers are the 2nd most penalized team in the league this year...why wouldn't they have more penalties...especially on the road against a superior team

Wow, are you even reading what you write?  At what point did anyone say the Packers shouldn't have more penalties?  I'm fine with them having more penalties.  I just find it a little odd that the almighty superior unerring invincible Viking Gods weren't caled for a single penalty in the first half of a home rivalry game when they obviously weren't above "cheating" as you like to call it five different ways in the first half of last week's game against the Niners.  Can you please explain how your dominating, superior team managed to incur so many penalties agains tthe Niners?  And why such a drastic change in their behavior after just one week?

As I said before, I think the calls were biased in favor of the Vikes.  Why would someone do that?  I don't know, maybe one of a hundred different reasons?  Why do kids cheat on tests?  Why do witnesses see conflicting details at a crime scene?  Unlike some people, I'm not going to pretend I know the motivations behind why someone I've never met might or might not act.  Maybe a ref had money on the game.  Maybe he's from Fridley.  Maybe he has a relative on the Vikes.  Maybe a Packer fan looked at him funny on the way in.  Heck, maybe because the Packers have so many penalties against them, the refs were too focused on only watching what Packer players did. 

I just found the stats to be suspect, but apparently you can't question anything regarding the dominating Minnesota Vikings without a few folks spontaneously growing sticks up their collective asses.

Oh, and Ruiner - your jealously still makes me blush.  How does it feel to be losing to a first-grader?  Maybe you can catch back up if you get that 6th grader you mentioned to help you with your picks.  :-*
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: ruiner on October 8, 2009, 11:48 PM
You are something special.  Remind me again who you lost to in week 1? 

We're in week 5 and you're acting like you're a lock to win the whole thing because you're 3-1 and I'm 2-2.  Big deal.

Dressel is 1-3 and I guarantee he'll make the playoffs.

I'm very comfortable with my team right now.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Paul on October 9, 2009, 12:05 AM
In other news.... Michael Crabtree finally signed with the 49'ers..  Sadly the best Wide Receiver from Texas Tech in the NFL is still Wes Welker.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 9, 2009, 12:15 AM
In other news.... Michael Crabtree finally signed with the 49'ers..  Sadly the best Wide Receiver from Texas Tech in the NFL is still Wes Welker.

Hey, Welker's a damn good wideout to be sad about, no?

Unless you're secretly (or even openly) a Niner fan, and upset about giving Crabbush a 6 year deal...
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Morgbug on October 9, 2009, 12:36 AM
Guess Crabtree finally got hungry.  Recent article in SI might have helped too. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on October 9, 2009, 12:37 AM
You are something special.  Remind me again who you lost to in week 1?  

We're in week 5 and you're acting like you're a lock to win the whole thing because you're 3-1 and I'm 2-2.  Big deal.

Dressel is 1-3 and I guarantee he'll make the playoffs.

I'm very comfortable with my team right now.

How am I acting like I'm a lock to win the league?  That's a pretty wild exaggeration. Did you by chance attend reading/comprehension in Canada?  And what the Hell does Dressel's team have to do with anything?  Are you so insecure that you're hoping he'll chime in to defend you?  Wow, that's pretty sad.  By the way, if you want to just talk fantasy, I'm pretty sure we have a separate thread for that.  I'll gladly post responses there to save you time from your trolling.   ;)

In other news.... Michael Crabtree finally signed with the 49'ers..  Sadly the best Wide Receiver from Texas Tech in the NFL is still Wes Welker.

Hey, Welker's a damn good wideout to be sad about, no?

I was curious where you were going with that too, Paul.  Do you not like Welker?  It will definitely be interesting to see how fast CrabAppleTree can get up to speed after missing all this time.  The Niners could definitely use some added talent at WR.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on October 9, 2009, 02:39 AM
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I guess I could buy it if the Vikes were squeaky clean, but just look at their penalties from the 49ers game.  Delay of game, roughing the passer, defensive offsides, false start, illegal formation, and offensive holding all in the first half of the game.  But against division rival Green Bay Packers, they did ...nothing?

To be fair, that quote could be argued in favor of the Vikings, actually...  It could be argued that their performance with the 49ers earned them a pretty livid dressing down by the coach...  Usually when you f-up that badly on penalties, you get raked over the coals about it the next day when you're going over tapes, and subsequently play a more disciplined game next time.

I know this is not football per se, but the Penguins played the Coyotes in Pittsburgh the other night (NHL here for those who aren't following) and were issued no less than 10 2-minute minor penalties for dumb ****, all night.  That totals 20 minutes of penalty time, or 1/3 of the game playing down a man...  Ultimately, I believe it likely cost them the game...  wishy washy calls, or solid ones, it was a pretty dismal stat for a team of professionals.

So flash forward to tonight, they played rival Philly in Philly, and were a much more disciplined team, all night.  It was reported that the head coach dressed the team down after their Phoenix loss and really was generous with handing out criticism of all of them individually, and they came out the next night with a much more solid effort overall and less mistakes to cost them penalties.

It's just an example of how it's very conceivable that the Vikings were going into their primetime game with the mindset that the week prior was inexcusable on their part as the penalties go, is all.  It's quite likely actually, that the week prior's penalties WERE addressed by the coaching staff as excessive, and that they were going to tolerate a repeat against the Packers in primetime...  That doesn't always mean the team listens of course, but I think they probably did.  Unless of course they're generally known as an undisciplined squad?

Anyway, like I said, it's just an example why that may have worked in the Vikings favor the following week is all.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on October 9, 2009, 03:52 AM
I think that's an interesting perspective.  I didn't feel that last week's performance was that out of line.  I think the Niners actually had more penalties against them.  I also buy Scott's rationale that visiting teams are more likely to make mistakes due to things like crowd noise. 

Quick questions for you on the Penguins Jesse - you said they had less mistakes and penalties in the Philly game.  Does that mean they still had a few or did they have an error free game like the Vikes?  Did Philly also have fewer penalties called than the week before?  I think sometimes you just run into refs that are more or less willing to call things, or maybe they were told to loosen up after all but controlling the prior Penguins game, but in those instances I think you would tend to see fewer penalties for both teams.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 9, 2009, 01:49 PM
Does anybody know if the Vikings played the Packers recently?
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 9, 2009, 02:29 PM
Does anybody know if the Vikings played the Packers recently?

The Vikings played, the Packers didn't really show up.

There was just a bunch of purple jerseys and Aaron Rodgers laying down on the turf.

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Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on October 9, 2009, 03:09 PM
Nice photo.  Is that from the game?  Looks like one Viking is trying to tickle Rodgers while the other is giving him a bear hug.  I knew these guys were better friends than they let on. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on October 9, 2009, 03:11 PM
That is not from this year...two years ago I believe since the Vikes have worn their retro alternate jerseys against the Pack the last two years
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on October 9, 2009, 03:14 PM
That is not from this year...two years ago I believe since the Vikes have worn their retro alternate jerseys against the Pack the last two years

Typical Dressel - living in the past.   ;)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 9, 2009, 03:21 PM
That is not from this year...two years ago I believe since the Vikes have worn their retro alternate jerseys against the Pack the last two years

Typical Dressel - living in the past.   ;)



Examining your last 3 seasons is better than overexamining your 1st 4 games of a new season.

Ohhhhhhh.

You tell me which is a better sample size.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on October 9, 2009, 03:37 PM
That is not from this year...two years ago I believe since the Vikes have worn their retro alternate jerseys against the Pack the last two years

Typical Dressel - living in the past.   ;)



Examining your last 3 seasons is better than overexamining your 1st 4 games of a new season.

Ohhhhhhh.

You tell me which is a better sample size.

A better sample size for what?   ???  If you're looking for data on how well a team performs in general, then sure, prior years are a great stat.  If you're gauging the strength of an exisiting team, then it makes no sense to look at anything prior to this season.  Not sure why we bother talking about it though - I'm confident I'll be in the playoffs and Scott has the utmost confidence in your team, so it looks like we're both safe until then.   :-*
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on October 9, 2009, 03:50 PM
To answer your questions Justin,

I believe the Pens had a couple, I can't recall.  Hockey's different in that regard though, I think.  The refereeing in hockey makes the NFL look flawless, really.  The NHL has players very capable of selling things to the ref more than the NFL seems to have, as well.

Philly is a relatively goonish team...  No clue on their prior game's penalties to the current one, but it's Philly so I'd say they were pretty goonish in both games.  I wouldn't describe them as over-penalized last night really, but they had a few. 

Suffice it to say the game ended with one of their "stars" biting one of our defensemen on the hand...  It's Philly.  They're goons...  What are you going to do?  :-\  A good night of discipline for them is probably no one receiving anything above a misdemenor.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Morgbug on October 9, 2009, 10:42 PM

Did you by chance attend reading/comprehension in Canada?   

Keep dreaming Jedijman, you still haven't figured out the point in the fantasy thread.  You think Dressel's the only one that brought up outperforming.  You agreed with my argument about out/overperforming only because you think it supports your argument against Dressel.  Which is true, but it also therefore runs counter to the argument you were having with me.  If you think Dressel was exaggerating or out of line discussing your team outperforming itself to this point, and your response was that you were just being sarcastic to him, you can't then go and totally ignore your claims my team didn't meet the "gurus" expectation and suggest my D and K outperformed:

You had a nice score this week, but biggest point differntials versus the Guru came from your Houston defense and a kicker.  Talk about a team "over performing"

You can't be on both sides of the same argument sport.  So either the out/overperforming stuff is bunk for Dressel AND you, or it's valid for both.  What was that about comprehension? 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on October 10, 2009, 12:20 AM
Jesse - biting a guy's hand?  Holy crap.  Seriously, that's insane.

Brent - Dressel claimed my fantasy team was not in his top six because they were outperforming themselves.  I don't think it was in reference to the guru - he just thinks my guys are getting lucky stats or something and won't be as successful down the road I guess.  I don't buy into the outperforming arguement - the stats align to players performances and that's the end of the story.  It's pretty silly to say that a guy who had 15 TDs should have only had 7-8 because he's outperforming himself.

You came along during that discussion and said that you would have beaten me if not for having two of your top picks out.  I'm sure it sucks to lose F. Gore in the same week that Owens goes without a catch and that was definitely an advantage for me in our match-up.  However, I still won the game by 22pts and I don't think you could have caught up with the average stats of those two even if they were healthy and playing well that week.  How many points do you think you should have received for those two the week we played?  It's really a moot point because we'll never really know what would have happened if Owens played better and Gore wasn't injured.

Lastly, the quote you mentioned was a jab back at you and Dressel.  Your score really was aided by strong output from your kicker and defense.  They both scored 14pts, which I'm guessing is the season high for both of them.  But, the "over performing" bit, which I put in quotes to help signify the sarcasm was intended to be a comical reference back to DR's silly rationale behind my top-ranked team, as I already explained in the FFL thread. 

Look, we're talking about fantasy football here, so it's really not worth any hard feelings.  I personally think part of the fun about FFL is talking Smack - if your team wins or is doing well, then go talk big and have some fun with it.  I even posted to the effect that having a little smack talk would be fun.  I guarantee that if Dressel was in the #1 spot and 2nd in points, we'd be hearing something about yet another DR fantasy championship on the way.  That's the way it ought to be, but for some reason a few people seem to take every little comment as a personal attack instead of just having fun with it. If you'll read thru the discussion in the FFL thread again, I think you'll find that most of the comments in there are putting down my team first and foremost, so don't dish it out if you can't take it.  In fact, you may recall that my comment to you about over performing was a response to your post...

Take it from someone who's been in the last 3 consecutive JD super bowls - JMan's squad is currently outperforming themselves, and the bubble will pop.  The best 6 rosters, despite what the scoreboard says after 3 games, are Rob's, Bug's, mine, Ruiner's, Ryan's, and JayDouble's.

Dressel - have I made your top 6 yet or is the #1 team still "outperforming themselves?"   8)

I'm sure not worried about your team.  I lost Gore after one play and had a stinker of a TE.  I played you without my 2nd and 4th round picks essentially plus TO stunk out the joint having his first game without a reception in 185 games or so (though he may stink out the season if he keeps going).  And then you got Golden Girls without her 1st and 3rd round picks (on bye week).  I'm going out on a limb and suggesting you're too cocky at this point in the season.  :-*

And Brent - I whooped you by 22 points, end of story.  Add in the Guru's 8pts each for Owens and Gore and you still would have lost that game.  Owens had what, 60 yards this week?  Sorry, but he is not an elite receiver anymore.  You had a nice score this week, but biggest point differntials versus the Guru came from your Houston defense and a kicker.  Talk about a team "over performing" - Cutler and Gould only get to play Detroit twice my friend.

Come on - let's all agree to lighten up a little here guys.  ;)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on October 10, 2009, 02:29 AM
Jesse - biting a guy's hand?  Holy crap.  Seriously, that's insane.

Hey, it's Philthydalphia...  All I know is I'd be getting a lot of medical tests if I were the guy bitten.  Rabies, all that stuff.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Paul on October 11, 2009, 10:42 PM
So it is week 5 this year that I get fed up with players (on any team including the Cowboys) crying for a flag before they even get up off the ground after missing a pass or any other whiny Soccer-ish cry for a call. (and I like Soccer more than American Football at times).

Please let me be commissioner for a day.  Or let me run the rules committee, I just want to eject every player who even hints that they need a call.

Oh and who knows what the criteria is for when the "Booth" decides there needs to be a review?  When a team is driving down the field in the final minutes of the game and has few or no timeouts left but is disorganized enough that they may not make it but still complete a pass that NO-ONE seems to be disputing, is that when you call for a booth review, give the offense time to get their acts together and right personel and play called?  Does it matter if it is the home team?

Oh, and that is a question about real live football, not the pretend what-if stuff you guys are arguing outside of that thread in now.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on October 12, 2009, 12:14 AM
Heh...

Steelers looked ok, but man we've got some serious secondary issues.  Things are messed up because Polamalu is the keystone to that, but still it's really embarassing regardless.

3 sacks in a row and not one was Harrison.  That was surprisingly and impressive to see (a rarity).

Our offense is clicking, and Mendenhall is running his ass off...  I like his style better than Parker, though Parker's beloved here.  He's a nice guy I'm sure, but I've never been a huge fan because I prefer a different type of runner...  Especially with a line that seemingly worked a lot on pass-blocking and zilch on opening up the holes for a small/speedy back.  Lots of talk locally that, should Parker return and not look any different and before the turf-toe, he'll likely not even get an offer from the Steelers in the off-season.  I doubt he'd go unsigned, but I don't think he's proven reliable enough to earn the huge money in another city.

Our d-secondary, I don't know wtf is going on...  It looks bad.  Cleveland, our rivals, next week.  Always a good game here locally...  Cincy beating Baltimore sort of shocked me today too.  Also Denver over the Pats surprised me a little, though Denver's playing monster defense.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on October 12, 2009, 01:20 PM
Vikings dominated the Rams yesterday...yawn...5-0...

Is anyone else surprised that the Titans after losing Haynesworth is 0-5?  That is an absolute shocker!  I knew Collins was a mirage last year but that team was 13-3 last year....ouch
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 12, 2009, 01:40 PM
Vikings dominated the Rams yesterday...yawn...5-0...



Everyone dominates the Rams.

I thought Donnie Avery's garbage time TD dance was hilarious.  Down 4 TDs, and celebrating.

The Vikings are good, but the Giants are still #1 !
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on October 12, 2009, 02:34 PM
I only saw bits and pieces of the Vikings game, but I'll give that defense some well deserved kudos.  They had two big goal line stands that were pretty amazing.  It's the Rams, so it's not like they were going to win regardless, but that was impressive.  Allen is a monster.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on October 12, 2009, 05:01 PM
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Is anyone else surprised that the Titans after losing Haynesworth is 0-5?

Yes, very much so.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 13, 2009, 08:05 AM
Good game last night. Henne sure looked good.

And I got to see Brady play for the first time this year and it sure is hard to watch him as just a mediocre QB. I guess it shows how hard it is to come back from missing a whole season.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JabbaJoe on October 13, 2009, 09:24 AM
Man I wish I could have seen that game last night, it look like a very good one.  I work the night shift so I don't get to see or hear the Monday night games at work, unless the Vikings are playing. :P  I am glad that my Dolphins are finally starting play good (except the defense) and Henne's play is great and shocking. :) :o  When Pennington was lost for the year I thought we would be in trouble with a 2nd year guy like Henne in there, but so far so good with him at quarterback. :-\
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Paul on October 13, 2009, 10:01 AM
Last nights game was really fun to watch (not having an interest in the outcome) Lead changes, exciting runs and trick plays.  And Ricky Williams looked pretty good for a 5 time league substance abuse violator.

Something I heard on the Local Sportsradio station yesterday (KTCK "The Ticket")...

Babe Laufenberg (former player/current sportscaster) called in randomly and brought up this little known rule, has anybody EVER heard this one?

Last week against the Broncos after the Broncos punted and slapped it back out of the endzone, one of the Cowboys picked it up and ran.  So, the radio announcers were ripping the player on a "mental lapse" because if he had fumbled the attempt AFTER the punting team had touched it, then it would have been Bronco ball.  Babe said that the rule is actually that AFTER  a team downs the ball, no matter what the receiving team does (even fumble no matter how long they have had possession) if the receiving team fields it and loses possesion, the ball would would only be placed where it was downed and be 1st Down receiving team.  Has anybody ever heard of this "little known" rule?  The point was moot because the ball actually went into the endzone for a touchback, but is it really a "zero risk" play?    Not that I have cause to question a former player and all around nice guy like Laufenberg, but still, seems like a wierd rule.

For clarification here is a hypothetical in a more linear format:

Team Punts
Punting Team swats the ball (to keep it out of the end zone in most cases I assume)
Return guy grabs the swatted ball and runs to the 50
He is stripped at the 50 and the ball is recovered by the Punting Team.

At this point the rule states that the ball would be placed at the spot it was "downed" by the punting team and possesion goes to the receiving team as if the return and fumble never happened.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on October 13, 2009, 12:07 PM
I'm not sure I'm following your explanation of where the ball is initially downed.  Say the punting team successfully hits the ball back out of the endzone and it lands at the 2 yard line.  The receiving team player then picks it up and runs to the 50, then fumbles and the punting team recovers at the 50.

I'm shocked that the punting team would not get to keep possession at that point.  If that's true, does the ball go back to the 2 yard line where the receiving player picked it up?  Or since it was blocked from the endzone, is it a touchback that goes back to the 20?  The ball is never officially "downed" anywhere in your example, is it?
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Paul on October 13, 2009, 07:22 PM
I'm not sure I'm following your explanation of where the ball is initially downed.  Say the punting team successfully hits the ball back out of the endzone and it lands at the 2 yard line.  The receiving team player then picks it up and runs to the 50, then fumbles and the punting team recovers at the 50.

I'm shocked that the punting team would not get to keep possession at that point.  If that's true, does the ball go back to the 2 yard line where the receiving player picked it up?  Or since it was blocked from the endzone, is it a touchback that goes back to the 20?  The ball is never officially "downed" anywhere in your example, is it?

The ball is swatted at/to the 2 I guess, in the hypothetical.

If it is "Downed" then it is dead was my assumption.  I don't have my desktop NFL rules book handy.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jayson on October 18, 2009, 05:22 PM
WOW! The Vikes just squeaked by on that one.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on October 18, 2009, 10:46 PM
WOW! The Vikes just squeaked by on that one.

Packers too - man, that was close!   ;)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on October 19, 2009, 01:50 AM
WOW! The Vikes just squeaked by on that one.

Packers too - man, that was close!   ;)

Of course, the Packers were playing the Lions, and the Vikings were playing a real NFL team.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on October 19, 2009, 02:21 AM
Ravens are a very solid team defensively and they've matured offensively...  I liked watching the end of that MN game...  Of course I'm not rooting for them next week though, sorry. :P
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Paul on October 19, 2009, 07:56 AM
I missed 100% of the football action this weekend, but it was nice to see that the Cowboys were the only team in the NFC East that did not lose this weekend.

Yes I know they did not play, but sadly I am now to the point of celebrating the small victories.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 19, 2009, 08:03 AM
How have the Titans managed to fall this far so fast? I came home from going from a bike ride with my wife and turned on the Pats game to see the score and almost wet myself when I saw it was 45 - 0 at half time.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on October 19, 2009, 11:35 AM
I missed 100% of the football action this weekend, but it was nice to see that the Cowboys were the only team in the NFC East that did not lose this weekend.

Yes I know they did not play, but sadly I am now to the point of celebrating the small victories.

It could be worse, you could be a Bucs fan.

0-6 and off to England to play the team that just beat the Titans 59-0

I want Gruden back.  :'(
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on October 19, 2009, 06:00 PM
No clue on the Titans.  They're still not a horrible team but did have a horrible performance yesterday. 

The Steelers aren't doing great either...  They're not the same as last year.  There's a lot of injuries that can be pinpointed for the blame there I guess.  Call it a hangover, I don't know.  The Titans really are in the toilet it seems though, but most of their games they've been competitive, no?  Not yesterday, but still.

Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on October 19, 2009, 10:26 PM
I want to know what happened to Philly against Oakland.  What the heck was that?
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on October 19, 2009, 10:33 PM
Re: Titans

I think kerry Collins was a huge mirage last year (sort of like Cunningham on the 1999 Vikings)
They lost the heart and soul of their D in Albert Haynesworth
The rushing game changed Chris Johnson and LenDale White last year...not happening this year

That is a start.  They really need to start Vince Young the rest of the way out to see if he really is the future or not
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 20, 2009, 01:37 AM
The Broncos had a great game tonight.  After beating the Cowboys, Patriots and the Chargers they've shown that they are the real deal!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on October 20, 2009, 01:40 AM
The Broncos had a great game tonight.  After beating the Cowboys, Patriots and the Chargers they've shown that they are the real deal!

Amen - that was another solid Monday night game.  Too bad they didn't get Marshall more involved.  A win is a win, but tonight's effort was really driven by the special teams performance.  They won't be able to rely on 2 E. Royal kick returns for TDs every week.   ;)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Ryan on October 20, 2009, 01:44 AM
No, but they sure can rely on their defense... Take away the Sproles punt return and the defense only let up 16 points in the game, 3 in the second half. This D has only let in ten second half points, and allowed 2 third down conversions (plus one more via penalty) in the the second half. That's amazing stuff.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: ruiner on October 20, 2009, 10:16 AM
Denver is for real and McDaniels is one helluva coach - completely driven to win.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 20, 2009, 10:21 AM
The Broncos had a great game tonight.  After beating the Cowboys, Patriots and the Chargers they've shown that they are the real deal!

Amen - that was another solid Monday night game.  Too bad they didn't get Marshall more involved.  A win is a win, but tonight's effort was really driven by the special teams performance.  They won't be able to rely on 2 E. Royal kick returns for TDs every week.   ;)

I'd say their defense is why they won. Obviously the kick returns helped, but they won't need to have those with that second half defense.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: P-Siddy on October 21, 2009, 12:01 AM
I want to know what happened to Philly against Oakland.  What the heck was that?

I think they let a couple high school teams step in for them this week. That. Was. Pathetic.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on October 25, 2009, 06:14 PM
Good game between the Steelers and Vikes today.  Way closer than I thought with Winfield out.  I thought for sure the Steelers were going to pass a lot more.  The Steelers D played really well.  I didn't think the Vikings were going to win this one so I wasn't expecting much.  Too bad a couple of bad calls (the tripping specifcally) there at the end sort soured the game...oh well

BTW...AP running over Gay was probably the play of the decade
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jayson on October 25, 2009, 10:45 PM
Good game between the Steelers and Vikes today.  Way closer than I thought with Winfield out.  I thought for sure the Steelers were going to pass a lot more.  The Steelers D played really well.  I didn't think the Vikings were going to win this one so I wasn't expecting much.  Too bad a couple of bad calls (the tripping specifcally) there at the end sort soured the game...oh well

BTW...AP running over Gay was probably the play of the decade

I agree that was a great game but ultimately what I expected, but we gave up of yardage in terms of defensive penalties. The Steelers can sure throw some hits out there but like you said, Peterson stuffing Gay's head in his own ass was damn amazing.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on October 26, 2009, 12:04 AM
Pretty tough game to win for the Vikes.  Between playing in Pitt, no Winfield, a banged up Peterson, AND losing Berrian in the game, that was going to be an uphill battle no doubt.  I was definitely surprised to see the Steelers throw so little, but it's not like they ran a lot either.  The Vikes really controlled the ball most of the game - pretty hard to overcome two defense TDs at the end though. 

On the bright side, the Packers crushed Cleveland today.  Entirely expected, but it's nice to have back-to-back blow outs all the same.  Can't wait to see the big rematch next week!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on October 26, 2009, 03:24 AM
To Gay's credit, he wasn't in good position/broken down to do much...   >:(  But, yeah, he pretty well got slammed there.

As far as the Steeler's passing game, they're in a weird place right now where the pass game works, and our run game sometimes does and sometimes doesn't, and we're wanting to still be a team that at least splits it evenly I think.  Today our o-line looked bad on anything but pass-blocking again...  The last couple weeks was the exact opposite where they were opening massive holes and the lead-blocking from anyone was really outstanding, coupled with a very good passing game...  this week simply did not have that.

Polamalu was/is banged up pretty bad and he's considered the heart of the defense (with the linebackers the soul), so it was nice to see him (even in a brace) put on a good performance.  They didn't run him the same as they usually do though, and it was evident with him being sometimes 30 yards off a play...  Very conservative for a guy that's usually all over the field.

Favre played great despite the turnovers... I really liked watching him, and the local radio guys said it was nice for the local crowd to get a chance to see Favre, and see Favre play well, before he's retired (actually).  Actually the Vikings controlled the ball a lot and had the most yards, but I think the defensive play by the Steelers was what stole the show was all.  Roethlisberger was good today and big when he had to be, and our run game was non-existant which is a future concern, as it is every week.  I still like Mendenhal better than Parker, but that's me.  Some weeks you can count on it and others you can tell it's just going to be a long day for the D, or Ben's gotta pull magic out his ass.

I really enjoyed the game though, overall...  There were some bad calls too and that trip was a rip-off for the Vikings.  The closest the Steelers had was the non-existant pass interference against Miller that really screwed us on a big play too.  That tripping call was very dumb though for sure.

All in all I think this was the better game of the weekend...  At least that I saw anyway.  It was very enjoyable I thought.  And I think if the Steelers aren't in it I'll be pulling for MN because I've really liked them this year.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JabbaJoe on October 26, 2009, 10:03 AM
I wasn't expecting my Dolphins to beat the Saints, since I figured Drew Brees would pass like crazy on our craptastic secondary (which is what happened in the end).  The way we lost is what sucks, since we were up 24 - 3 in the 2nd quarter and ended up losing. >:( ::) :P  Oh well, hopefully we can take care of business against the Jets again this week like we did a couple of weeks ago. :)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on October 26, 2009, 10:47 AM
That Miami game was awful.  They were doing such a good job of keeping Brees contained, but the Brees-Colston combo is unstoppable.  Weird seeing Brees rush for 2 TDs as well given all of the talent they have at RB.  At least Miami put up a good fight in the first half!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: ruiner on October 26, 2009, 11:41 AM
Bears stink.

That is all.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Darth Broem on October 26, 2009, 12:13 PM
Yeah, Bears were crap.  The Cardinals looked okay beating the Giants though. I am sure Eli will get the total blame though.  It's all about Eli when it comes to the Giants.  Their world revolves around him.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 26, 2009, 07:41 PM
Turnovers killed the Giants.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on November 1, 2009, 07:35 PM
Outside of the Vikings not being able to cover a LB...old fashioned ass whoopin.  You guys remember that Farve used to play for the Packers?  They didn't want him anymore
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on November 1, 2009, 07:54 PM
That booing was a farce.  Packer fans should be embarrassed. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on November 1, 2009, 08:16 PM
Outside of the Vikings not being able to cover a LB...old fashioned ass whoopin.  You guys remember that Farve used to play for the Packers?  They didn't want him anymore

That's a pretty simplistic view of what happened.  It wasn't that they didn't want him - they just couldn't build a team around a guy who wouldn't decide if he was playing or not until a week before the season.  Switch Favre and Rodgers around in the game today and I think you'd see Rodgers walk away with the win instead of "We'll never forget you Brent."  I think Peterson gives the Vikes a bit of an advantage as well. 

Overall, a pretty fun game to watch despite the outcome.  Looked like it was going to be a blowout at first, so I'm glad the Cheese put out a little more effort in the second half.  Kudos on the win Vikings fans!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on November 1, 2009, 08:19 PM
That booing was a farce.  Packer fans should be embarrassed. 

Which booing?  Are you saying they shouldn't have booed Favre or should have booed him more.  I was pretty embarrassed by the stupid signs in the stands saying "we still love you Favre."  Buncha pansies.  Those aren't Packer fans, those are just Brent* fans. 

Yes, I know it's Brett.  I have decided to just call him Brent from now on.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on November 1, 2009, 08:54 PM
That booing was a farce.  Packer fans should be embarrassed. 

Which booing?  Are you saying they shouldn't have booed Favre or should have booed him more.  I was pretty embarrassed by the stupid signs in the stands saying "we still love you Favre."  Buncha pansies.  Those aren't Packer fans, those are just Brent* fans. 

Yes, I know it's Brett.  I have decided to just call him Brent from now on.

Nah, he deserves applause.  They should be booing Ted Thompson.  Meanwhile, Favre's throwing TD passes all over the place on the Packers, swept the series, and took a stranglehold on the North.

Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on November 1, 2009, 09:35 PM
That booing was a farce.  Packer fans should be embarrassed. 

Which booing?  Are you saying they shouldn't have booed Favre or should have booed him more.  I was pretty embarrassed by the stupid signs in the stands saying "we still love you Favre."  Buncha pansies.  Those aren't Packer fans, those are just Brent* fans. 

Yes, I know it's Brett.  I have decided to just call him Brent from now on.

Nah, he deserves applause.  They should be booing Ted Thompson.  Meanwhile, Favre's throwing TD passes all over the place on the Packers, swept the series, and took a stranglehold on the North.

Rob, since you're not a Packer fan, I'll try to be understanding of your position.  As an actual Packer fan,  I completely side with those who are loyal to the team and not to an ex player.  I root for my team and boo for the opposing team.  Every opposing QB that takes the field at any NFL game gets booed by the fans and Favre should be no different.  He was a great player for the Packers, but if you take the field playing against the home team, you should get booed just like anybody else.  The people with no class are those so loyal to Brent that they would wear Green and Gold and still cheer for him as a Viking.  I'm I Green Bay Packers fan, not a Favre fan. 

As for Thompson and the rest of the organization, I don't think Favre really gave them any choice.  You should try building a team around a guy who can't decide if he is going to play again year after year.  How do you draft not even knowing who your starting QB is going to be each year?  They did their best to accomodate him for a few years and then they went in another direction. 

And yes, Favre is playing some great football right now, but I guarantee you he would not be having this kind of season with the Packers.  His success is tied to the supporting cast of the Vikings (Allen, Peterson, the Williams Wall) and I'm sure he feels rejuvenated playing for a new team all over again after all these years.  As I recall, most experts predicted the Vikings to win the NFC North even before Favre signed up...if they can win with T-Jack, they sure as hell ought to be winning with a guy like Favre under center. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on November 1, 2009, 09:46 PM
Rob, since you're not a Packer fan, I'll try to be understanding of your position.  As an actual Packer fan,  I completely side with those who are loyal to the team and not to an ex player.  I root for my team and boo for the opposing team.  

I don't have to be a Packer fan to know how I'd treat one of the all time greats if he left the team after 16 years and came back to play.  Namely, with class.  That said, my girlfriend of ten years is a die hard Packer fan, she's from Wisconsin, her family still has a house on some land near Holcombe, so I follow the team pretty closely and routinely root for them when they're not playing Tampa.  Although this whole debacle has me definitively siding with Favre.  I guess blind support for the organization is your thing.  That's cool.  I'm not exactly a casual observer who just likes Favre because he's one of the all time greats or anything, I've been watching him and the Packers for the last ten years.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on November 1, 2009, 10:35 PM
Kevin Garnett got thunderous applause when he came back with the Celtics against the Wolves.  The Vikings own Brett Farvesque drama in Randy Moss would get a rousing ovation if he came back to the Dome.  MN sports is littered with sports stars that started here but left for a better place.  I've never seen something like this: Packer Fans booed their 16 yr HOF Quarterback for an entire game, and when it was clear that they were losing, they booed their own team.  Farve was traded, McCarthy and Thompson did not want him back. He still wanted to play!  The Packers have to look at the fact that they have an excellent QB in Erin Rodgers who puts up great stats between the 20's and can't compete with better teams because, well, his team sucks.  Maybe he'll get lucky and the Packers will trade him, too.  :-*  

The only thing that would have made this day better is if Farve had mocked mooned the endzone and bumped his butt on the goalpost

(http://nbcsportsmedia1.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Slideshows/_production/050109_pacvik_/050110_randy_moon.widec.jpg)

Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Morgbug on November 1, 2009, 10:59 PM
That booing was a farce.  Packer fans should be embarrassed. 

Which booing?  Are you saying they shouldn't have booed Favre or should have booed him more.  I was pretty embarrassed by the stupid signs in the stands saying "we still love you Favre."  Buncha pansies.  Those aren't Packer fans, those are just Brent* fans. 

Yes, I know it's Brett.  I have decided to just call him Brent from now on.

The longstanding insult name is Beth, not Brent. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on November 1, 2009, 11:11 PM
I don't have to be a Packer fan to know how I'd treat one of the all time greats if he left the team after 16 years and came back to play.  

Yeah, I think you do.  There's no equivalent to this situation.  If Moss came back to play against the Vikes as a Patriot, I'd expect applause.  If Favre came back to play the Packers as a NY Jet, then even there I might expect applause.  In this case, the former star player of the team came back as a Viking in one of the biggest division rivalries in the NFL.  He was interviewed this week as saying the team he's playing on now is the best team he's ever played on, which is basically a slap in the face to the '96 Super Bowl team.  Of course he's going to get booed.

And Scott, I know news travels slowly to Mankato and key details may get misunderstood via the town telegraph system, but Favre RETIRED in 2007.  He said he was going to retire the two years prior as well.  I'm not sure what your qualifications as a GM might be or how often you've personally spoken with McCarthy, Thompson, or anyone in the Packers organization, but if I had a guy who was bordering on retirement year after year and wouldn't tell me which way he was going to go until well after the draft, I'm guessing I might not be working that hard to make him stay either.

And speaking of class acts, nice of Scott to bring up the Moss mooning.  That has to be one of the classiest moves in NFL history.  Interesting to see how quickly you've moved from Favre-hater to demanding he show more ass.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on November 1, 2009, 11:14 PM
The longstanding insult name is Beth, not Brent. 

Maybe in Canada.  This is more common in the states:

(http://volumeone.org/assets/images/blogs/1/posts/7/807/header/custom/807_36d98984c92b3063602fb185a0ea1f78ab994806.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on November 1, 2009, 11:15 PM
You do realize that Packer fans routinely moon the opposing teams bus in and out of the stadium...sort of like booing a HOF quarterback...and your own team...in the same game...classy!!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on November 2, 2009, 12:12 AM
You do realize that Packer fans routinely moon the opposing teams bus in and out of the stadium...sort of like booing a HOF quarterback...and your own team...in the same game...classy!!

They're acting like Eagles fans.

How long until they start throwing batteries at players?
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on November 2, 2009, 01:35 AM
I don't know about the booing...  Cowher is very likely to take **** in Pittsburgh if he ever takes the field with another team, which Cleveland has been in the rumors...  He's a great coach, but fans aren't going to like seeing a guy who left town (rumored) because his wife wanted a better climate and to be closer to their daughter at college, more than because he didn't want to coach anymore.  Much less with the rival team...  It stings less when they leave for another coast I suppose, than next door.

I like the Vikings, didn't get to catch tonight's game though.

I did read an article about tonight's game, and I must say I liked the, "Favre-o, you broke my heart", with the perfectly photoshopped image of Michael kissing Brett...  That was some funny ****.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JabbaJoe on November 2, 2009, 08:42 AM
Good to see the Dolphins sweep a much hated division opponent like the Jets. :)  Glad they put Ginn Jr. back at kick returns, (which is what he is best at) since he sucks as a wide receiver. :P  We play the Patriots next, should be a good game!  Hopefully we come out on top.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on November 2, 2009, 12:21 PM
You do realize that Packer fans routinely moon the opposing teams bus in and out of the stadium...sort of like booing a HOF quarterback...and your own team...in the same game...classy!!

Yes, a few drunk idiots outside the stadium is the equivalent of a player mock mooning fans on national TV during a playoff game.  I'm sure that no viking fan has ever done anything improper with regards to putting down their rivals.  Thanks for keeping it real, Kato.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: John C on November 4, 2009, 04:10 PM
Kevin Garnett got thunderous applause when he came back with the Celtics against the Wolves.  The Vikings own Brett Farvesque drama in Randy Moss would get a rousing ovation if he came back to the Dome.  MN sports is littered with sports stars that started here but left for a better place.  I've never seen something like this: Packer Fans booed their 16 yr HOF Quarterback for an entire game, and when it was clear that they were losing, they booed their own team.  Farve was traded, McCarthy and Thompson did not want him back. He still wanted to play!  The Packers have to look at the fact that they have an excellent QB in Erin Rodgers who puts up great stats between the 20's and can't compete with better teams because, well, his team sucks.  Maybe he'll get lucky and the Packers will trade him, too.  :-*  

The only thing that would have made this day better is if Farve had mocked mooned the endzone and bumped his butt on the goalpost

(http://nbcsportsmedia1.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Slideshows/_production/050109_pacvik_/050110_randy_moon.widec.jpg)

The only examples of ex players getting booed here that I can think of would be Knoblauch, Pierzynski and Marbury, but all three are jerks. 


Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on November 8, 2009, 05:04 PM
I've never been so happy to lose a survivor league... the 0-7 Bucs, wearing creamsicle, beat the Packers.

******* greatness.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on November 8, 2009, 05:04 PM
Looks like the NFC North race is over after today >:D
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on November 8, 2009, 07:58 PM
I've never been so happy to lose a survivor league... the 0-7 Bucs, wearing creamsicle, beat the Packers.

******* greatness.

Ouch, didn't realize you were so anti Packers.  That was a swell game - they got dominated in the 4th quarter and Rodgers was throwing more to the orange crush than his own guys.  Guess those 6 sacks per game are getting to him.  The Pack might still make it as a wild card, but I'm not holding my breath after this game.  IF that O-line can't hold the Bucs, then they wouldn't stop a real team in the playoffs anyway.   :P
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on November 8, 2009, 08:29 PM
Ouch, didn't realize you were so anti Packers. 

Much more pro-Bucs than Anti-Packers.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on November 8, 2009, 08:37 PM
I'm going to diverge from football to talk uniforms

(http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Football/NFL/Games/2009/11/08/f110830A.jpg)

I loved that the Bucs broke out their Orange unis...I wish the Broncos and the Bucs would both bring them back...I also really like the Pats old school unis

(http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/brady-red.jpg)

The Panthers and Jags ushered in this swoopy logo craze and totally ruined some of the more storied looks of my youth
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on November 8, 2009, 10:45 PM
Ouch, didn't realize you were so anti Packers. 

Much more pro-Bucs than Anti-Packers.

Ah, in that case congrats on the win.   ;)  It's always nice to see your team take the game back in the back half.

Per the Jersies, I have to agree with Scott on the Bucs retro uniforms - very cool.  That said, the NFL is pushing retro jersies just to sell more merchandise, which leaves me a little bitter everytime I see them.  Not faulting the NFL for trying to make an extra buck, but it would be nice if we were seeing old jersies just for the sake of something new and fun.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on November 9, 2009, 12:00 AM
I was always wondering when the Bucs would get around to sporting the throwbacks... it reminds people of an embarrassing time in the franchise's history, so it's not surprise that it took so long to get around to it.  That said, I thought it looked pretty awesome and hope they do it more frequently.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on November 9, 2009, 02:41 AM

The Panthers and Jags ushered in this swoopy logo craze and totally ruined some of the more storied looks of my youth

The Steelers don't really change, and I'm forever grateful for that.  THeir throwbacks are pretty much just basic black with gold lettering, and it's because their regular uniforms just don't get updated.  It's something I've really grown to appreciate over the years.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jeff on November 9, 2009, 09:42 AM
I was always wondering when the Bucs would get around to sporting the throwbacks... it reminds people of an embarrassing time in the franchise's history, so it's not surprise that it took so long to get around to it. 

Yeah, with them being 0-7, I thought it was actually a pretty appropiate time for them to wear the throwbacks - if they are playing like those teams, might as well dress like them too.   :P
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on November 9, 2009, 10:19 AM
No doubt, they're terrible this year.  Raheem Morris is in way over his head.  The OC is a Lions reject, and they cut all the veteran leadership at the start of the season.  They gave WAY too much money to the likes of Michael Clayton... the team is a complete mess.  I don't think they'll win another game this year unless Josh Freeman can surprise everyone.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: ruiner on November 9, 2009, 12:05 PM
What do you think of your new "hometown" team Rob? 

Not much different than the Bucs, IMO.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on November 9, 2009, 12:43 PM
I don't follow that closely yet... it took about 3 or 4 years for the Cowboys to grow on me to the point where I'd root for them.  I'm guessing it'll be a little while before I get at all invested in the Bears.

But yeah, not too impressive this season.  Better than the Bucs though...
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on November 10, 2009, 02:43 PM
Great game last night, the Steelers seemingly having a fire lit under their asses for the 2nd half and dominating it.

The leap by Ward was fantastic, and I liked the announcer publicly bashing the "dirtiest player" vote that he got saying he'd want a team of Ward's if he could have them.  Pollamalu was the star at the end though with the hit in the backfield and then the pick.  And I stand by Mendenhal as my pick at RB over Parker, but I don't know if I'm in the majority locally or not.  He was picking up yardage even in a pile of people though and that's what Parker doesn't do.

A fun game to watch...  It's always amazing to me how badly the out of towners need oxygen in Denver.  I've never been there in my life but that still fascinates me at how difficult it must be to play there yet the home team never seems to be that bad off.  I didn't think you could acclimate yourself to that, but I guess you can.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jayson on November 12, 2009, 02:56 PM
League bans the "Captain Morgan" (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-celekpose111209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

(http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/tools/med/2009/11/ipt/1257969961.jpg)

Hilarious.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on November 12, 2009, 04:05 PM
Hmmm

Well, ok... 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Morgbug on November 12, 2009, 04:13 PM
I drank a bottle of Captain Morgan one night...
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on November 12, 2009, 07:23 PM
Anyone raped by someone named Morgan holding the rank of Captain?  THey've had a little in them too then.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on November 12, 2009, 07:42 PM
Anyone raped by someone named Morgan holding the rank of Captain?  THey've had a little in them too then.

You've maybe just stepped over the line a tad with that one.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on November 13, 2009, 12:17 AM
booooooooooooooooo.

(http://paxarcana.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/gong_show.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on November 13, 2009, 12:23 AM
I think Jay Cutler is trying to break Farve's career record this year...how many 1st Rounders did they give up for him >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on November 13, 2009, 01:38 AM
Everyone's a critic. >:(
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: ruiner on November 13, 2009, 09:03 AM
I think Jay Cutler is trying to break Farve's career record this year...how many 1st Rounders did they give up for him >:D >:D >:D

Amazing.  The defense played extremely well and Cutler completely dropped (threw) the ball (away).

Congrats to the Vikes for winning the division.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on November 13, 2009, 10:11 AM
Everyone's a critic. >:(

Not to beat a dead horse or turn into the PC police, but I think with rape jokes you'll find that most people are critics.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Morgbug on November 13, 2009, 01:37 PM
I think Jay Cutler is trying to break Farve's career record this year...how many 1st Rounders did they give up for him >:D >:D >:D

Amazing.  The defense played extremely well and Cutler completely dropped (threw) the ball (away).

Congrats to the Vikes for winning the division.

Small consolation but when Cutler isn't on my roster next year in fantasy he should be playing quite well. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on November 14, 2009, 01:11 AM
Everyone's a critic. >:(

Not to beat a dead horse or turn into the PC police, but I think with rape jokes you'll find that most people are critics.

I suppose I could've (should've?) quantified the rape comment rather than inferring that the conversation was amongst all heterosexual guys and thus it'd be rape, and all that stuff.  Nyuck nyuck.  Critics.   >:(
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on November 14, 2009, 10:35 AM
Everyone's a critic. >:(

Not to beat a dead horse or turn into the PC police, but I think with rape jokes you'll find that most people are critics.

I suppose I could've (should've?) quantified the rape comment rather than inferring that the conversation was amongst all heterosexual guys and thus it'd be rape, and all that stuff.  Nyuck nyuck.  Critics.   >:(

Or just try not to link rape with anything funny. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on November 14, 2009, 03:52 PM
Due to everyone's sensitivities, I'll try not to offend in the future.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on November 14, 2009, 09:42 PM
Due to everyone's sensitivities, I'll try not to offend in the future.

I think it's kind of funny that you keep trying to link the responses to how sensitive people are.  I think you'll find a very healthy majority of people don't find anything remotely humorous about rape. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: ruiner on November 14, 2009, 09:51 PM
So who's going to win the Colts / Pats game?

Bengals / Steelers?

Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on November 15, 2009, 12:22 AM
Colts are due for a loss.

I'll go with Steelers too, but the Bengals keep proving me wrong.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on November 15, 2009, 02:25 AM
So who's going to win the Colts / Pats game?

Bengals / Steelers?



I like the Pats to win with Indy's secondary injured.  The Bengals have been tough on offense and defense - I think they can take this one, but they're also due for a loss.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: ruiner on November 15, 2009, 10:38 AM
I'll take the Colts and the Bengals.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on November 15, 2009, 11:36 PM
Steelers o-line took the day off, again, and so that 'bout sums that game up.  I don't know when they plan on drafting to fix that.  I thought the last 2 years they should've and this year it's showing worse than any other.

Pollamalu reinjuring his knee seems like just another disaster.  It was a defensive struggle back and forth, and all that jazz.  Fun to watch if you like Defense though, and the Bengals (and more to the point, Cincinnatti) deserve something to be happy about.  They've sucked for a long time.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: ruiner on November 15, 2009, 11:45 PM
Colts over Pats - holy ****.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on November 15, 2009, 11:51 PM
Belichick has huge balls...but man what a terrible decision to go for that.  Punt the ball...idiot
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on November 16, 2009, 12:52 AM
I was really surprised to see the Pack asswhoop the Cowgirls today.  As bad as the Packers looked the last two weeks, they played and dominated a decent team.  Either the Cowboys really took the week off or the Pack played their game of the year.

Vikes played well enough to win against the hapless Motor City Kitties.  On to Seattle I guess.  I think if the Vikings win the next two and Green Bay loses one of the next two, the Vikes clinch the North.  Should be interesting to see if the Saints stumble because it looks like a two horse race right now for Home Field Adv
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 16, 2009, 07:04 AM
Belichick has huge balls...but man what a terrible decision to go for that.  Punt the ball...idiot

This may be emotional hyperbole, but other than CBS's decision to have the KC/Oakland game as the late game on tv in this market , The Patriots' waste of their timeouts and not punting were the dumbest moves I've seen in my days of watching the NFL.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on November 16, 2009, 12:54 PM
Personally, I think the Vikes already clinched the North.  No one's going to catch them now. 

I was at the Packer game yesterday and it was a blast.  (quite literally as I froze my finger with leaking propane while TG'ing  ::)  )  The Pack played well, especially the defense, but I've lost faith in McCarthy's coaching.  He made a bunch of boneheaded and easy to identify calls in the first half - we were lucky that Dallas was off their game as well.

Nick - I have no idea what the hell Bellycheck was thinking - what an idiot.  Yes, if you make it the game is over.  But guess what happens for certain if you don't?
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on November 16, 2009, 12:55 PM
Steelers o-line took the day off, again, and so that 'bout sums that game up.  I don't know when they plan on drafting to fix that.  I thought the last 2 years they should've and this year it's showing worse than any other.

Pollamalu reinjuring his knee seems like just another disaster.  It was a defensive struggle back and forth, and all that jazz.  Fun to watch if you like Defense though, and the Bengals (and more to the point, Cincinnatti) deserve something to be happy about.  They've sucked for a long time.

Let's give credit where credit is due.  The Bengals are killing teams at the line on both sides - Pittsburgh didn't give it up as much as the Bengals just plain took it.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on November 16, 2009, 02:03 PM
Holy crap the Bucs beat one team and were competative against another.  I'm starting to like this Josh Freeman kid.  If he keeps it up for the rest of the year and shows improvement, I'm going to be thrilled.

But, at this point I'm sort of also hoping for the #1 overall pick and for the Bucs to draft Suh.  They need a big time DT in the worst way.  I'm also not sold on this coaching staff at all.  I want Morris fired and I want them to take a run at a guy like Cowher or Shanahan or Fisher (if he gets canned) and I want the OC fired yesterday.



Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on November 16, 2009, 03:24 PM
Holy crap the Bucs beat one team and were competative against another.  I'm starting to like this Josh Freeman kid.  If he keeps it up for the rest of the year and shows improvement, I'm going to be thrilled.

But, at this point I'm sort of also hoping for the #1 overall pick and for the Bucs to draft Suh.  They need a big time DT in the worst way.  I'm also not sold on this coaching staff at all.  I want Morris fired and I want them to take a run at a guy like Cowher or Shanahan or Fisher (if he gets canned) and I want the OC fired yesterday.





Man, you're calling for a lot of unemployment for a liberal!   ;)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on November 16, 2009, 03:42 PM
Holy crap the Bucs beat one team and were competative against another.  I'm starting to like this Josh Freeman kid.  If he keeps it up for the rest of the year and shows improvement, I'm going to be thrilled.

But, at this point I'm sort of also hoping for the #1 overall pick and for the Bucs to draft Suh.  They need a big time DT in the worst way.  I'm also not sold on this coaching staff at all.  I want Morris fired and I want them to take a run at a guy like Cowher or Shanahan or Fisher (if he gets canned) and I want the OC fired yesterday.

Man, you're calling for a lot of unemployment for a liberal!   ;)

Nah, I want them to hire replacements.  It's a net of zero.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on November 16, 2009, 04:08 PM
Steelers o-line took the day off, again, and so that 'bout sums that game up.  I don't know when they plan on drafting to fix that.  I thought the last 2 years they should've and this year it's showing worse than any other.

Pollamalu reinjuring his knee seems like just another disaster.  It was a defensive struggle back and forth, and all that jazz.  Fun to watch if you like Defense though, and the Bengals (and more to the point, Cincinnatti) deserve something to be happy about.  They've sucked for a long time.

Let's give credit where credit is due.  The Bengals are killing teams at the line on both sides - Pittsburgh didn't give it up as much as the Bengals just plain took it.

I disagree, however I did give the credit where it was due, and that was Cincy's defense (and special teams too, that is a sore spot here and they exploited that)...  You can't say a team "just took it" though, when the only offensive scores were a runback kick and field goals all day.  Roethlisberger threw sloppy passes, and when he didn't the usually reliable receivers dropped them.  And when that wasn't happening the o-line collapsed around Roethlisberger and let him get sacked.  There was a lot of game-changing stuff that the Steelers screwed up without much help from Cincy.  The Bengals are still a much-improved team though, and kept everything even for the most part.  It wasn't a pretty game for either team though.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on November 16, 2009, 05:45 PM
Steelers o-line took the day off, again, and so that 'bout sums that game up.  I don't know when they plan on drafting to fix that.  I thought the last 2 years they should've and this year it's showing worse than any other.

Pollamalu reinjuring his knee seems like just another disaster.  It was a defensive struggle back and forth, and all that jazz.  Fun to watch if you like Defense though, and the Bengals (and more to the point, Cincinnatti) deserve something to be happy about.  They've sucked for a long time.

Let's give credit where credit is due.  The Bengals are killing teams at the line on both sides - Pittsburgh didn't give it up as much as the Bengals just plain took it.

I disagree, however I did give the credit where it was due, and that was Cincy's defense (and special teams too, that is a sore spot here and they exploited that)...  You can't say a team "just took it" though, when the only offensive scores were a runback kick and field goals all day.  Roethlisberger threw sloppy passes, and when he didn't the usually reliable receivers dropped them.  And when that wasn't happening the o-line collapsed around Roethlisberger and let him get sacked.  There was a lot of game-changing stuff that the Steelers screwed up without much help from Cincy.  The Bengals are still a much-improved team though, and kept everything even for the most part.  It wasn't a pretty game for either team though.

I can, and I did!   >:D  I'm just razzing from one JJ to another.

I didn't see any of the game, so I'm sure you'd know better what happened.  I'd add in though that Benson was injured and that probably made the Catz more one dimensional.  From the portions of Cinci games I have watched this year (including the previous Steelers game), their offensive and defensive lines are just beating everybody (though Benson's looked great all by himself as well). 

I actually told the 3 guys I went to the Packer game with that Cinci was going to beat Pittsburgh based on their wins at the line of scrimage and they all thought I was crazy until they saw the score.   
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on November 16, 2009, 05:51 PM
Steelers were without POlamalu too though for most of the game...  again...  ::)  Same knee I believe.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 17, 2009, 07:06 AM
Does anybody know why the Ravens got to play a High School football team from Ohio on Monday Night Football last night?
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Neal on November 17, 2009, 09:27 AM
Does anybody know why the Ravens got to play a High School football team from Ohio on Monday Night Football last night?

And yet still only managed to score 16 points against them.  I'm so glad that I didn't watch a single minute of that game.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on November 17, 2009, 09:45 AM
Does anybody know why the Ravens got to play a High School football team from Ohio on Monday Night Football last night?

And yet still only managed to score 16 points against them.  I'm so glad that I didn't watch a single minute of that game.

Yeah, I tuned in just before the half and went into shock seeing the score at 0-0.  Nice shut out for the Ravens I guess, but 16 against Cleveland is pretty sad.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on November 17, 2009, 04:29 PM
It's so bad we're having to find new people to hate.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 18, 2009, 06:31 PM
Just found out I'm going to Lambeau this weekend. Don't like the Packers or even know who they are playing, but it will be cool to see an NFL game outside of the Metrodome.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JabbaJoe on November 19, 2009, 07:36 AM
Just found out I'm going to Lambeau this weekend. Don't like the Packers or even know who they are playing, but it will be cool to see an NFL game outside of the Metrodome.

Cool to hear!  Someday I hope to see a game there and see the Packers hall of fame.  I just love all the history of that franchise.  Seems like a good place for a football fan to visit.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JabbaJoe on November 19, 2009, 07:41 AM
Stinks that Ronnie Brown is out for the season.  I guess we will have to get the Ricky Williams pot smokin' train a rolling on down the field to make the playoffs. :D
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on November 19, 2009, 10:35 AM
Stinks for two of my fantasy teams too.   :'(
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on November 19, 2009, 04:08 PM
Just found out I'm going to Lambeau this weekend. Don't like the Packers or even know who they are playing, but it will be cool to see an NFL game outside of the Metrodome.

Congrats - that should be a fun trip!  How did you end up with tickets?
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 19, 2009, 04:13 PM
Just found out I'm going to Lambeau this weekend. Don't like the Packers or even know who they are playing, but it will be cool to see an NFL game outside of the Metrodome.

Congrats - that should be a fun trip!  How did you end up with tickets?

My brother's friend offered. I don't know how he got them.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on November 19, 2009, 09:57 PM
Congrats to all the Ricky Williams owners out there.  I checked in on the game late in the 2nd half and neither team had done jack.  I just looked again and he already has 2 TDs.  Woot!?  Merry Christmas.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JabbaJoe on November 20, 2009, 09:32 AM
Congrats to all the Ricky Williams owners out there.  I checked in on the game late in the 2nd half and neither team had done jack.  I just looked again and he already has 2 TDs.  Woot!?  Merry Christmas.

I watched the game and was very happy with outcome of the game, being that I am a Dolphins fan and a Ricky Williams fantasy owner too! :) 8)  I hope Ricky can keep this up for the rest of the season, we really need it!  He looks like the Ricky of old again before the whole pot thing and other stuff.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on November 20, 2009, 09:40 AM
Yeah, that last TD run was pretty amazing.  I thought he'd do well tonight, but not a 40+ yard run for a TD and 3 overall. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Morgbug on November 22, 2009, 02:54 PM
Great catch by Sidney Rice but I'm thinking season over maybe for him?  WHew.  I didn't like the way he was hobbling there, glad to see him back in.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on November 22, 2009, 11:53 PM
Great catch by Sidney Rice but I'm thinking season over maybe for him?  WHew.  I didn't like the way he was hobbling there, glad to see him back in.

Man, the Vikes are looking fairly unbeatable.  Benching Favre in the 3rd quarter already?  I know it's just the 'hawks, but still.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 23, 2009, 07:04 AM
It was fun to see a game at Lambeau. Kind of a boring game until the Pack let the Niners back in it in the fourth quarter, but still fun.

Justin- I have to ask. How has Green Bay allowed "Lombardi St/Ave" to also be Country Road VK? That seems wrong to me.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: John C on November 30, 2009, 11:00 AM
Looking forward to the great MNF match up tonight.  Should be a Hell of a game.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on November 30, 2009, 11:32 AM
Last night's Steelers/Ravens game was a fun one to watch.  Didn't really care about the outcome, but would have been nice if Rice or Mendenhall had scored.  Both run games were really solid.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: ruiner on November 30, 2009, 10:04 PM
I thought it was a good game, too.  Dixon had a nice game considering the circumstances and opponent.  I could have used a Ray Rice TD. . .let's just say I need Brees to throw a few more TD's tonight.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on December 1, 2009, 09:43 AM
It was fun to see a game at Lambeau. Kind of a boring game until the Pack let the Niners back in it in the fourth quarter, but still fun.

Justin- I have to ask. How has Green Bay allowed "Lombardi St/Ave" to also be Country Road VK? That seems wrong to me.

Glad you had a good time.  I don't know how road naming works - I assume they gave the road a second name and had to keep the original, but it does sound goofy.  I'm curious to know if anyone has defaced the street signs for Brett Favre Pass.   :o
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Neal on December 1, 2009, 10:50 AM
I thought it was a good game, too.  Dixon had a nice game considering the circumstances and opponent.  I could have used a Ray Rice TD. . .let's just say I need Brees to throw a few more TD's tonight.

Was five TDs enough for you?

 ;)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: ruiner on December 1, 2009, 11:51 AM
Yeah, another crazy Monday night for me again. 

Down by 16, I have Brees, opponent has Welker (PPR league).  Really had no business winning that one. . .





Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JabbaJoe on December 7, 2009, 06:58 AM
Always love when we beat the Patriots! :) 8)  Can't believe we still have a shot at the division title. :o  Wish we had beat the Bills last week, since then we would be in first now, but oh well.  Go Dolphins!!! :)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Paul on December 7, 2009, 02:10 PM
Ah December, that time of year when I as a Cowboys fan pick a new team to follow through the end of the season and the playoffs, since in the Cowboys' minds the season only lasts till Thanksgiving.

I am sure they are celebrating their loss with plans for trips to Mexico or Vegas or Canton (not the Hall of Fame, the little town East of Dallas with the worlds largest flea market)...

I will gladly suffer through 2 seasons of 1-15 if we can blow the whole thing up.  I grow tired of about 90% of the team and 99% of the Coaching staff.

Teams are lining up now to reserve the December games against the Cowboys. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on December 7, 2009, 02:38 PM
I will gladly suffer through 2 seasons of 1-15 if we can blow the whole thing up.  I grow tired of about 90% of the team and 99% of the Coaching staff.

It's not as fun as it sounds.  I'm sitting here praying the Bucs won't win another game and that the Rams and Browns will so Tampa can have the 1st overall pick to use on Suh.

It's not pleasant at all.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on December 7, 2009, 03:11 PM
Anyone see EJ Henderson's leg break last night?  And so went the chance of any Vikings Super Bowl appearance :'(
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on December 7, 2009, 03:20 PM
Anyone see EJ Henderson's leg break last night?  And so went the chance of any Vikings Super Bowl appearance :'(

I did.  Youch.  They were in rough shape before that happened, but that was certainly a huge blow.  Nice to see Favre flustered a little bit - that's vintage Favre for us Packer fans.  The Vikes didn't do much to win that game, but it really looked to me like the Cardinals were playing 99% mistake free.  Their offense was clicking at its best, they took Allen out of the game, and the defense was all over the place.  Despite the loss of EJ (and that is a HUGE loss for them), I think having another loss right now helps bring the team back to Earth.  Hopefully it adds a little fire under them for the next four weeks. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on December 7, 2009, 08:05 PM
I hope the Giants keep playing like they did yesterday.  The talent is all there, but they play so inconsistently!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on December 10, 2009, 11:29 PM
Steelers pretty much wrote themselves out of the playoff picture tonight.  Not sure who I'm rooting for right now but I like MN a lot.  Partially because I think they're a well rounded team, but also I really like watching Favre at his age play like that.

The Steelers...  meh, they stunk it up.  If they bring the same o-line back next year I predict similar results.  The secondary needs a huge shake-up too, if they're this reliant on one person to do the work for them.  Everyone's predicting Reed's gone too...  I'm hopeful of that at this point because he's reliable but he's also a total tool locally.  OC job may be wide open too after this season.  3rd and 1 and they passed tonight.  Unbelievable.  They went from a team that owned Denver, to a team that couldn't be 3 of the worst teams in the league (and hats off to all 3 of them).  It was nice tonight to have the Penguins to watch instead.  ::)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on December 11, 2009, 12:33 AM
Sorry about the loss Jesse... I'm secretly glad because the Browns just fell behind the Bucs in the Suh Sweepstakes.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on December 11, 2009, 01:26 AM
At this point they earned every bit of suck they've shown, and so kudos to the Bucs.  Anything that helps friends have a happier season is a plus to me, haha. :)

The Steelers imploded.  There's rumors that there's some anymosity amidst the locker room, but I don't know that I believe that.  We've got some really story-hungry reporters locally that like to raise a stink I think.

Penguins won, so it's not all bad.  I love my Penguins.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on December 20, 2009, 08:02 PM
Steelers Packers today was probably the game of the year.  Huge plays, weird crap, back and forth.  That last play was Super Bowl all over again.  Congrats to my favorite team for repeating as NFC North champs >:D
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on December 20, 2009, 08:20 PM
Steelers Packers today was probably the game of the year.  Huge plays, weird crap, back and forth.  That last play was Super Bowl all over again.  Congrats to my favorite team for repeating as NFC North champs >:D

Good game, bad outcome.  Stinks to see the Pack surge ahead with a minute left, only to have the Steelers come back and win it.  I wonder how it would have ended if Pittsburgh had not on-side kicked?  It helped the Pack get their final TD, but maybe they would have had a longer TD drive and won with a regular punt.  Definitely a weird game and an amazing catch by Wallace at the end.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on December 20, 2009, 11:29 PM
...and I wish I could say the same about the Vikings game.  Wow, what a waste of a Sunday night watching that crapfest.  At least Peterson did well for my fantasy team.  Purple better get their act together if they want to go anywhere in the playoffs.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on December 20, 2009, 11:32 PM
...and I wish I could say the same about the Vikings game.  Wow, what a waste of a Sunday night watching that crapfest.  At least Peterson did well for my fantasy team.  Purple better get their act together if they want to go anywhere in the playoffs.
As I have said before...our bald headed coach is a total piece of **** and continually gets his ass handed to him.  It amazing to absolutely destroy a division leader one week and get your ass handed to you on national TV on the road twice in very similar games.

There is no way they win a playoff game.  It is also a joke they gave that piece of **** a contract extension.  I'd be much more optomistic being in your shoes, Jman, than mine and my team is 11-3 ::)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on December 21, 2009, 12:33 AM
There is no way they win a playoff game.  It is also a joke they gave that piece of **** a contract extension.  I'd be much more optimistic being in your shoes, Jman, than mine and my team is 11-3 ::)

Well, you never know.  I'm not counting anyone down for the count this season - it's been ridiculously unpredictable.  I would definitely like to see the Packers meet up with the Vikes for a playoff game this year though just to see if they could pull it off.  To be fair though, I don't think we're going to see anyone from the NFC North holding the Lombardi trophy this year. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on December 21, 2009, 01:14 AM
That onside kick was so close...  One of the Steelers D, I forget who, said afterwards, "What do you want us to think about it?  We weren't stopping anyone all game long so how could we blame him for trying it.  If it had worked we'd all be praising what a brilliant call it was." (paraphrased)

I agree to an extent but it was still a weird call...  almost actually worked though.  One yard more and that would've been good.

The QB'ing back and forth was fun to watch.  I was offered tickets for the game by my gf's neighbor who has season ones but I couldn't afford them after the holiday shopping and all.  Would've been interesting.  I must admit, their 5-game-skid didn't exactly help enthuse me to buy tickets either, but I considered it for a bit then gave up the notion thinking about everything I've spent the last month or two, heh.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on December 21, 2009, 07:02 AM
Just wanted to let everyone know that the Chargers or Eagles will win the Super Bowl this year. Why?

My last choices for who I would want to win each championship and who currently has it.

MLB= Yankees, Yankees have it
NBA= Lakers or Cavaliers, Lakers have it
NHL= Penguins, Penguins have it
NFL= Chargers or Eagles, thus one of them will win it.

And on a different subject that on side kick in the Pittsburgh game rivaled Belicheck's 4th and 2 call.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on December 21, 2009, 03:17 PM
I sort of agree, it's perplexing in a way, but that quote I paraphrased says a lot too...  He wasn't confident in his defense, nor should he have been, and ultimately that onside kick let them get their points that (given the game thus far) they would've gotten anyway most likely, and so the Steelers still had time on the clock...  If it worked, you had another offensive chance at spreading a lead to 6 or 10, if it didn't work you were giving up the points you probably were going to give up anyway a little faster and still have a shot at getting down field for the points needed to tie or win before the clock ran out.

From the perspective of not having confidence that your defense, and more to the point your secondary, can stop a clicking pass offense...  and time management...  it makes more sense I think, but was that what some of the intent was?

I still don't think I'd have done it, but it worked out positively in the end though.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on December 28, 2009, 04:37 PM
Why not...

NFC East: Cowboys
NFC North: Packers
NFC South: Saints
NFC West: Seahawks

AFC East: Patriots
AFC North: Steelers
AFC South: Colts
AFC West: Chargers

Superbowl:  Saints over Chargers.




Wow Rob, when you dream...you dream in color!   ;D


I blew the Seahawks pick and the Steelers let me down, but overall I ended up being pretty close huh?  8)


The Bucs just fired their OC with 10 days to go before the season starts.

I sincerely think we're looking at 2-14.

And the Bucs exceeded my expectations! (I wish they'd just lost the last two though to have a shot at Ndamukong Suh  :'( ).


Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on December 28, 2009, 04:54 PM
Since we're so close I thought I'd get this started up.

Go Vikings vs. Patriots Super Bowl.

edit-the combining of these two threads kind of made this post random.
Not really...it is never too early for predictions.  Since most starters won't play this week...here are my annual predictions

NFC East: Eagles
NFC North: Vikings
NFC South: Saints
NFC West: Arizona

AFC East: Patriots
AFC North: Steelers
AFC South: Titans
AFC West: Chargers

Super Bowl: Vikings over Steelers >:D
Not too shabby for meself either

I think the Titans blew some major chances by sticking with Collins as long as they did...also who would have thought the Bengals were going to be as good as they were??
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on December 28, 2009, 09:48 PM
Bears 13-0 over the Vikings with 2:00 to go in the half.  WTF.   :o

Come on Peterson, I just need you to get 60 yards tonight.



**EDIT** or a TD.   ;D  AT least I got one Fantasy SB win this year.

Now the Bears can continue mopping the floor with the Vikes.   >:D
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on December 28, 2009, 09:59 PM
Dude...what have I been saying the last month?  Our coach is a retard...three out of four weeks totally outplayed and outcoached across the board.  Yuck...and they gave him an extension!!!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jayson on December 29, 2009, 12:01 AM
Thanks Adrian for another cough up. You cost us the game.  >:(
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on December 29, 2009, 12:02 AM
Wow.  Even at 0-16 I thought the Vikes would find a way to come back.

Scott - I have a spare Packers jersey if you're interested in converting to green and gold after this.   ;)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on December 29, 2009, 12:02 AM
Thanks Adrian for another cough up. You cost us the game.  >:(

But he's the greatest Runningback of all time?!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: P-Siddy on December 29, 2009, 12:04 AM
Thanks Adrian for another cough up. You cost us the game.  >:(

I was just thinking as he was carrying that one: "Don't ******* fumble! Go out of bounds! Don't try to fight through the tacklers!"
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on December 29, 2009, 12:10 AM
No, no, I would never do that...but man, they were the same road team for 2.5 quarters.  THat AP fumble didn't cost them the game...it just cemented another road debacle.  Have fun in Philadelphia ::)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on December 29, 2009, 07:04 AM
I don't know how the Vikings got so bad so fast. And I don't want to hear it's Favre in December.

And whether AP cost us the game or not, it was fitting his fumble set up the game winning touchdown.

I hope the Patriots showing this weekend was a sign of things to come but I have a feeling my Vikings Patriots Super Bowl hope isn't just now my Vikings Patriots one and done playoffs.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on December 29, 2009, 11:25 AM
I don't know how the Vikings got so bad so fast. And I don't want to hear it's Favre in December.

And whether AP cost us the game or not, it was fitting his fumble set up the game winning touchdown.

I hope the Patriots showing this weekend was a sign of things to come but I have a feeling my Vikings Patriots Super Bowl hope isn't just now my Vikings Patriots one and done playoffs.

It's Favre in December.   ;D  I think it's actually just an inept Chili, but Favre in December is a good excuse.  He's 40, he does zero training camp work, and he doesn't even stretch before games.  I don't know about Brett, but I'm sure I'd be getting a little tired 4 months in. 

As for your Patriots, the prophecy may yet be true...


Nah, we'll see a remake of the '96 Super Bowl.  Packers 31 - Patriots 28.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on January 3, 2010, 08:34 PM
Vikes Pack rematch in the NFC Championship??  Thanks to the Cowboys for getting the Vikings the bye.  Plus a home game.  I really think they have a chance to win that first one, it is going on the road to NO that scares me.  Although the Saints have sort of pissed the bed ala the Purple and Gold.  Should be an exciting playoff!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: ruiner on January 3, 2010, 09:12 PM
Cowboys / Chargers. 

LT finally gets a ring this year.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on January 3, 2010, 09:27 PM
Vikes Pack rematch in the NFC Championship??  Thanks to the Cowboys for getting the Vikings the bye.  Plus a home game.  I really think they have a chance to win that first one, it is going on the road to NO that scares me.  Although the Saints have sort of pissed the bed ala the Purple and Gold.  Should be an exciting playoff!

More like thanks to the Eagles.  So funny to hear all the pre-game talk about how the Eagles are the most complete team in the NFC...maybe not.  I think both the Vikes and Packers looked pretty dominant today, so would be fun to see a rematch.  Both the Cardinals and Patriots looked pretty rough today.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on January 3, 2010, 11:53 PM
Obviously I'm disappointed in the Steelers, but they **** the bed they made all on their own with 3 losses in a row to woefully inferior teams.  Still though, this season I think may be one of the most up-in-the-air playoffs in ages in the NFL, so I'm kind of intrigued and anxious to watch too.

Good luck to everyone's favorites though...  I'm going to wait a bit before I make my own picks, but I've liked MN a lot all year.  I also like NO a lot.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 4, 2010, 12:29 AM
We were at the Broncos vs Chiefs game today....75% of it was pretty good.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Morgbug on January 4, 2010, 12:43 AM
We were at the Broncos vs Chiefs game today....75% of it was pretty good.

I assume that's not the 75% where the Chiefs were scoring?  That game cost me a perfect record on the season in survival football for this year as I took the Broncos (foolish). 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: ruiner on January 4, 2010, 09:03 AM
What a crappy slate of games yesterday. . .
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on January 4, 2010, 04:37 PM
What a crappy slate of games yesterday. . .

Yeah, nice that we'll get to see a bunch of the exact same games this coming weekend. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on January 4, 2010, 04:41 PM
It's Favre in December.   ;D  I think it's actually just an inept Chili, but Favre in December is a good excuse.  He's 40, he does zero training camp work, and he doesn't even stretch before games.  I don't know about Brett, but I'm sure I'd be getting a little tired 4 months in. 


Ohhhhhhh, is that why he threw four more TD's while wrapping up the #2 seed yesterday?
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on January 4, 2010, 05:02 PM
The key here is that they will play inside for both NFC games if they win and in Miami for the Super Bowl.  I think Favre in the cold in December is the problem
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on January 4, 2010, 05:45 PM
It's Favre in December.   ;D  I think it's actually just an inept Chili, but Favre in December is a good excuse.  He's 40, he does zero training camp work, and he doesn't even stretch before games.  I don't know about Brett, but I'm sure I'd be getting a little tired 4 months in. 


Ohhhhhhh, is that why he threw four more TD's while wrapping up the #2 seed yesterday?

Do you have a point or are you just slow? 

Favre in his first 11 games: 69% completions
Favre in December: 64% completions

Favre in his first 11 games: 3 interceptions
Favre in December: 4 interceptions

Favre in his first 11 games: 10 wins and 1 loss
Favre in December: 1 win and 3 losses

Sure seems like he had trouble playing in December.

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here.

Favre looked good yesterday and I think Childress had a much more simplified offense for him.  Hopefully for Viking fans that solves the problem because he's been pretty up and down lately.  If you watched the game, T-Jack was matching Favre's performance when he came in, so I think the Giants inept defense might be a smidge more to blame. 

Scott - I'd agree that he struggles in the cold weather - we saw that the last few years he was with the Packers too.  That said, the Vikes lost in Arizona, Carolina, & Chicago - I'm not sure you can really blame the weather in Carolina and Arizona (though I don't think you can blame just Favre either).  All four Viking losses were away from home, so having HFA and the bye is definitely a huge advantage for the purple. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on January 4, 2010, 06:37 PM
Do you have a point or are you just slow? 

Sure I have a point, stat-geek.  Favre, at age 40, is a top 10 QB in the NFL, and probably should be the MVP of the league.  That's the point.

Here's another point, you know the league wants Green Bay / Minny in the NFCC and they definitely want Favre back in the big game.  Look for the Vikings to get all the calls.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on January 4, 2010, 08:42 PM
It was like 15 Degrees in Carolina that night
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on January 4, 2010, 10:01 PM
It was like 15 Degrees in Carolina that night

It was pretty cold in Chicago the other week when he led two 4th quarter comebacks only to watch AP fumble the game away too.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on January 5, 2010, 12:42 AM
Do you have a point or are you just slow? 

Sure I have a point, stat-geek.  Favre, at age 40, is a top 10 QB in the NFL, and probably should be the MVP of the league.  That's the point.

Here's another point, you know the league wants Green Bay / Minny in the NFCC and they definitely want Favre back in the big game.  Look for the Vikings to get all the calls.


They're called facts, Robby.  You should try using the once in a while as they're a lot more reliable than just spouting off crap that doesn't make sense.  For example, how do you rate Favre as only a top 10 QB in the NFL, but think he should be the MVP of the league?  Shouldn't an MVP candidate a little better than top ten at his position?   Favre's had amazing year - best year of his career in fact.  I just said he doesn't play well in December since there's obvious evidence to support it. 

All that said, I think there are better MVP candidates this year:

#1 - Chris Johnson: 11 games with over 100 yards, 2500 total yards, double digit scores.  He's easily the top RB in the league and getting it done with lowly V. Young at the helm.  The only guy shouldering this much of the load for his team is...

#2 - Peyton Manning: Consistently proving that he is the top QB in the league.  He's a threat to score from anywhere on the field and is arguably one of the smartest QBs in history.  Indy clinched top seed early and might have gone undefeated if they hadn't benched Manning.  We saw Indy without Manning the past few weeks and it was not pretty.

#3 - D. Brees threw for 34 TDs (+2 rushing) and almost 4400 yards and didn't even play the whole season.  He is constantly overlooked, but I think he's just about on par with Manning at this point in terms of what he means to the Saints

#4 - I will get a major homer boo for this one and I know it won't happen, but I'll put up A. Rodgers in my top five.  The Packers offensive line stunk for most of the year, Jennings was awful, and outside of the past few weeks, Ryan Grant has barely put up top 20 rushing numbers.  Despite all that. Rodgers has 30 TDs (+ FIVE rushing!), threw for over 4400 yards and is tied with Favre for fewest interceptions among full year starters.  And he's played to the bitter end in every game unlike the other top QB choices.

#5 - This is about where I would slot Favre.  33 TDs, 4200 yards, only 7 INTs - he has had a great season.  My only push back on Favre is that he has tons of talent supporting him:  Very solid offensive line, Shianco and his WRs made some outstanding catches, he's got one of the league's top RBs causing havoc for defenses, and the Vikings defense has been top notch most of the season.  There is some magic to Favre, but I'm not convinced that the Vikes would be doing much worse with someone else in there. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on January 5, 2010, 12:54 AM
It was like 15 Degrees in Carolina that night

If you don't see any difference between 37 degrees and 15 degrees, then yes, it was like 15 degrees in Carolina that night.   ;)

For reference:
Pittsburgh Loss: 51 degrees
Arizona Loss: N/A, dome
Chicago Loss: 26 degrees

It was pretty cold in Chicago the other week when he led two 4th quarter comebacks only to watch AP fumble the game away too.

That's right.  AP's fumble lost them the game, not Favre's fumble.  Sounds like Deanna has some competition here!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on January 5, 2010, 12:57 AM
Here's another point, you know the league wants Green Bay / Minny in the NFCC and they definitely want Favre back in the big game.  Look for the Vikings to get all the calls.

Look for the Vikes to get all the calls on their bye week?  Do you mean look for the Packers to get all the calls since they're playing at least one game before a potential rematch?   ???  Damnit Rob, think through the post then write the post.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on January 5, 2010, 02:03 AM
They're called facts, Robby.  

Thanks Douchie.


You should try using the once in a while as they're a lot more reliable than just spouting off crap that doesn't make sense.  For example, how do you rate Favre as only a top 10 QB in the NFL, but think he should be the MVP of the league?  Shouldn't an MVP candidate a little better than top ten at his position?    

MVP often goes to the guy who's most important to his team, not the guy with the best numbers.  Chris Johnson should probably be out because his team started 0-6 and they're not in the post season.  Favre over Manning or Brees or what not?  Who knows... but Favre-led-Vikings vs. Tavaris Jackson-led-Vikings shows how valuable he is to that team right now.

Look for the Vikes to get all the calls on their bye week?  Do you mean look for the Packers to get all the calls since they're playing at least one game before a potential rematch?   ???  Damnit Rob, think through the post then write the post.

Are you ******* retarded?  Seriously?

Never mind... Dumb question...

Regardless, there are plenty of writers who agree with me... spend 5 minutes with Google...

Why Brett Favre, Not Manning, Is The 2009 NFL MVP (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/319951-why-brett-favre-not-manning-is-the-2009-nfl-mvp)
Favre very well could be the league MVP, for the fourth time in his career. (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/04/week-17-morning-aftermath-vikings-on-the-right-track/)
Favre getting MVP attention (http://min.scout.com/2/922648.html)
Peterson's Fumbles Improve Favre's MVP Case (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/299868-petersons-fumbles-improve-favres-mvp-case)
Rediscovering My Faith In Favre As MVP (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/315834-rediscovering-my-faith-in-favre-as-mvp)
Some could argue he is the league's MVP. (http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/a-look-at-the-2009-football-season/1063082)

Sure, there are other worthy candidates, and he may very well not get it - but he's right there with the best of them, at age 40, wearing purple, and if they meet in the playoffs, he'll make the Packers his bitch for the third time this year.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on January 5, 2010, 09:56 AM
Wow, you're an angry elf.  With an obvious hard on for Favre.  Do you even read what you write? 

MVP often goes to the guy who's most important to his team, not the guy with the best numbers. 

Based on your definition, Chris Johnson is a hell of a lot more important to his team than Favre is to the Vikings.  We saw what a T-Jack led team could do against the Giants just last week - looked no different from Favre to me.  You seriously think the drop to a T-Jack lead Vikings is worse than Curtis Painter running the Colts offense?  And while an 8-8 finish isn't stellar, I'm doubting the Titans would be anywhere near a single win this year with L. White at RB.  I'd quote stats, but I know you have no use for facts or numbers.  That is nice that you found 5 or 6 articles about Favre on the internet though - that's really compelling.

Here's another point, you know the league wants Green Bay / Minny in the NFCC and they definitely want Favre back in the big game.  Look for the Vikings to get all the calls.

Look for the Vikes to get all the calls on their bye week?  Do you mean look for the Packers to get all the calls since they're playing at least one game before a potential rematch?   ???  Damnit Rob, think through the post then write the post.


Are you ******* retarded?  Seriously?
Never mind... Dumb question...

You're right, that is a dumb question.  Just look around next time you hop on the short bus and you'll notice I'm not there with you. 

You said look for the Vikes to get all the calls because the league wants a Packers/Vikings rematch.  If that's the case, then we ought to expect the calls to all be in favor of the Packers to help get them there.  See how I link the cause and effect?  Now you try it.  I hope they do meet up again as I'd love to see the rematch even at the dome.

at age 40, wearing purple, and if they meet in the playoffs, he'll make the Packers Rob his bitch for the third time this year.

Sounds to me like you should replace "Packers" in that sentence with "Rob" in your little fantasy there.  :o
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 5, 2010, 10:04 AM
I have barely skimmed you two's stuff here, but you're on crack Justin if you think T-Jack was a small drop from Favre.

edit- The part where you said "looked no different to me" I almost wet myself. That's hilarious.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on January 5, 2010, 10:11 AM
I have barely skimmed you two's stuff here, but you're on crack Justin if you think T-Jack was a small drop from Favre.

That's the problem with skimming.   ;)  I'm saying it's less of a drop than some of the other MVP candidates, as evidenced last week.  The Vikings have a lot more talent to rely on than most teams.  While T-Jack would make the offense less effective, they'd probably still win most of their games this year.  I just think losing Chris Johnson or Peyton Manning would have a much bigger impact on their respective teams. 

That's my opinion - maybe others believe the Vikings have no talent and Favre is the only reason they're playoff bound.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 5, 2010, 10:15 AM
I'm not arguing your MVP debate, though for Johnson going 8 and 8 or 7 and 9 eliminates him for me.

But if you watched us this year. AP is not what we had hoped. We are a passing team and so I don't buy the T Jack crap.

We'll trade you T Jack for your practice squad QB.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on January 5, 2010, 10:58 AM
I'm with Justin a little bit...TJack and G-Rotte won the division and they were 11-5 last year...no?  I really think it is between Brees and Manning as both are their teams, both teams were stellar and were head and shoulders above the other teams in their leauges.  Favre, Rodgers and Johnson should get votes but I don't think they are anywhere near Manning and Brees.

I also get what Nick is saying in that Peterson 09 is not Peterson 08...so his contribution to the 09 Vikings is pretty profound.  So while he probably isn't #1 or #2, I'd put him at #3.

Johnson had a great season, if the Titans would have switched to Vince in Week 3 or 4, he probably would get more steam.

Rodgers is Brees and Manning Jr...great year statistacally and the Packers made the playoffs...but they lost to the Vikings twice.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on January 5, 2010, 11:12 AM
Wow, you're an angry elf.  

I'm not angry, you're just a jackass... calling me Robby like it's cute...  like you're my mother.  Why don't you go **** yourself mmmkay?


Sounds to me like you should replace "Packers" in that sentence with "Rob" in your little fantasy there.

That's real funny considering that my bumbling band of underachievers finished ahead of your super-team.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: ruiner on January 5, 2010, 11:34 AM
Let's make our picks for this weekend:

Eagles over Cowboys
Pats over Ravens
Packers over Cardinals
Jets over Bengals
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on January 5, 2010, 12:16 PM
Cowboys
Cardinals
Patriots
Jets
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on January 5, 2010, 12:20 PM
Cowboys Over the Eagles (again)
Ravens over the Patriots (Sorry Nick)
Packers over Cardinals (Again)
Jets over Bengals (Again)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on January 5, 2010, 12:53 PM
I'll take:

Cowboys
Ravens
Packers
Jets
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Mikey D on January 5, 2010, 03:36 PM
Wild Card:
Eagles
Patriots
Packers
Bengals

Divisional:
Colts over Bengals
Chargers over Patriots
Saints over Eagles
Vikings over Packers

Conference Championships:
Chargers over Colts
Saints over Vikings

Super Bowl:
Chargers win
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on January 5, 2010, 11:13 PM
Cowboys
Pats
Cards
Jets (I hope)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: John C on January 6, 2010, 12:23 PM

Cowboys
Ravens
Packers
Bengals
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 9, 2010, 09:08 AM
There are still a lot of teams out there with a chance to take Frazier away from the Vikings as their head coach and you know within a few years you win a Super Bowl if you do. Who's gonna do it?
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Morgbug on January 10, 2010, 01:38 PM
Wow!  :o  Three first quarter interceptions out of Brady. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on January 10, 2010, 08:47 PM
Man...the Pack Cardinals game was epic...epically bad defense.  Holy crap that was terrible...ironic that a Defense TD won the game.  Good season for the Packers, they should probably be the favorite for the North, if not the NFC next year

BTW...great first round picks Mikey :-*
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on January 10, 2010, 09:57 PM
Yep - that game was out of control.  Unbelivable to watch. 

And I was an over-time miss away from 4-0 on those picks... figures it would be the Packers that would screw it up.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on January 10, 2010, 11:01 PM
Ouch - tough loss for the Packer faithful tonight.  What a fun game to watch though.  Kudos to both teams for putting on one heck of a show!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Mikey D on January 11, 2010, 07:53 AM

BTW...great first round picks Mikey :-*

No ****.  That was almost as pathetic as the Pats yesterday.  Although to be fair, two of the picks were more about my unbridled hatred of teams (Jets and Cowboys) than actual analysis, I figured the Pats would squeak out a win at home (the actual result was the furthest thing from my mind) and I honestly believed the Packers were the better team.

I'll still stick by my four Conference finalists, though.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: ruiner on January 11, 2010, 08:55 AM
Here we go again:

Dallas over Minnesota
New Orleans over Arizona

San Diego over NY
Baltimore over Indy


Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on January 11, 2010, 09:18 AM
Minnesota
New Orleans
Indy
SD
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Morgbug on January 11, 2010, 12:09 PM
Minnesota
New Orleans
Indy
SD

I'll work with that too.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on January 11, 2010, 01:54 PM
Okay, 3-1 so far.   :'(  Let's try this:

Dallas over Minnesota (Not sure if Dallas is this good, or just this good against the Eagles)
New Orleans over Arizona (If the Packers can score 45, I can't wait to see what Brees and Co. can do!)
San Diego over NY Jets  (I just don't think the Jets are there yet)
Indianapolis over Baltimore  (This one's a toss up for me, but I think Indy & Manning are going to pull it off)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on January 11, 2010, 04:27 PM
Give me the home teams:


Minny
New Orleans
San Diego
Colts

Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: John C on January 11, 2010, 05:10 PM
Cowboys
Saints
Bolts
Colts
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Ryan on January 11, 2010, 06:55 PM
Minnesota
New Orleans (this one hurts, these are the two remaining teams that I'd like to see win the Super Bowl)
San Diego
Baltimore
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on January 11, 2010, 07:23 PM
Minnesota
New Orleans
Indy
SD

Agreed except I think NY's going to upset SD.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on January 11, 2010, 08:41 PM
Minnesota
New Orleans
Indy
SD

Agreed except I think NY's going to upset SD.

I Still think San Diego is your Superbowl representative from the AFC.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on January 17, 2010, 03:43 PM
Vikes to the NFC Championship...skol!!!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jeff on January 17, 2010, 03:53 PM
6/7 times sacked, a couple fumbles, an INT - helluva day for Romo!   :-X

Man, that was a fun game to watch...  the defense played so well, they didn't even give Childress a chance to let Dallas back in it.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jayson on January 17, 2010, 03:57 PM
Another TD for da Vikes!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Morgbug on January 17, 2010, 04:02 PM
So the Vikings aren't the Eagles, that much we can assume.  Should be a great game to watch next week.  The Vikings D will be the key IMO. 

Sweet, enjoyable game to watch.  Might have to buy me a Favre jersey. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on January 17, 2010, 04:06 PM
Excellent.

6-1 on my playoff picks so far too.   8)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Paul on January 17, 2010, 05:10 PM
Hopefully the BCS was watching, that late TD will matter for the National Championship Standings I'm sure.... ::)  and for the record, I do agree with Jimmy Johnson...if you don't want that to happen, stop em.

The Cowboys won their "super bowl" last week when they won a Playoff game.  No matter what they said to the Cameras, you could tell they were done.  Hopefully this woeful exhibition will finally rid us of Wade Phillips (and his entire staff) and maybe Romo too.

A big Congrats to my Cousins and our buddies from the Great North though.  A butt whooping for sure.  Definately the way to go into the NFC Championship Game.

Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on January 17, 2010, 08:30 PM
I cannot believe people are whining about the Vikings running up the score.  Give me an ******* break you whiners.  This is playoffs...you have no choice but to run up the score.  Brooking should have gotten clobbered for taunting the Vikings bench

Some interesting matchups next week.  I expect the Colts to waltz to the Super Bowl rather easily.  The Jets magical little run is over. 

I really am torn on the Vikings because there are some advantages to them playing on turf inside.  Farve doesn't have to play outdoors.  Jared Allen can use his speed to get at Brees.  The Saints do a lot of deep drops which leans towards the Vikings and their pass rush.  But it is a road game in an absolutely hostile environment and the Saints have looked absolutely unstoppable at times (but so have the Vikings).  I am going to pick the Vikes in a squeaker...SHOCK :P
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jayson on January 17, 2010, 08:45 PM
The people that whine about running up the score are the same people that think winners and losers of a little league game should get trophies. The object is to put more points on the board than the other guy and make any chance of a comeback as difficult as possible. Done and done.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Paul on January 17, 2010, 09:37 PM
Terry Bradshaw and Jimmy Johnson were visibly upset with each other over it in the post-game.

I figured the second game would have been better to watch than my team getting pasted, but nope... Vikings-Cowboys was the better viewing.

It would have been neat to see Farve vs. Warner.  A combined 79+ years for the 2 starting QBs.

An interesting story will be if the Jets can muster a game and beat Indy, who rolled over and let NY win (figuratively) to get into the playoffs when they rested their starters.

Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jayson on January 17, 2010, 09:45 PM
I saw the Bradshaw/Johnson debate too. Funny thing is that Bradshaw came back later and said the if it was himself at 40 he would have done the same thing.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on January 17, 2010, 10:57 PM
Well, I thought pretty much all the games this week were dull.  Even the closer scoring Jets/Chargers game was out of hand by the end.  Maybe others like seeing a team pounded over and over, but it feels like the Packers/Cards game last week was the only one with any real excitement to it. 

Kudos to the Vike fans out there on another solid win today.  I didn't see any need for that last TD, to Shianco, but I don't have any problem with it either.  Most teams that get ahead by the end prefer to just manage the clock for their win, but I'd rather watch a team keep playing than just milking the clock.  Honestly, continuing to pass is much more risky - Dallas should have been thanking Minnesota for giving them a better chance to make a play.  Besides, no one seems to complain about the Patriots when they score 60pts in a game.   ::)

It would have been neat to see Farve vs. Warner.  A combined 79+ years for the 2 starting QBs.

You mean a combined 79 years of life?   ???  It's not like they were playing right out of the womb.  I think the Saints/Vikes will be a much better game - you could tell that Arizona had nothing left in the tank after the OT win last week.  I was definitely cheering for Warner on Saturday though.  It would be nice to see them win one after getting to the big game last year.

An interesting story will be if the Jets can muster a game and beat Indy, who rolled over and let NY win (figuratively) to get into the playoffs when they rested their starters.

I hadn't thought about that before, but that would be a great story.  Hopefully it might lead to a few more teams keeping their starters in the last few weeks.  I'm fine with a team resting their stars when they get ahead, but it isn't really fair that someone plays Indy full force earlier in the year, while the Jets get a free pass in the final weeks due to a clinched seed.  I like Indy, but it would be interesting to see Indy pay the price for this.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jeff on January 17, 2010, 11:20 PM
Most teams that get ahead by the end prefer to just manage the clock for their win

Yeah, but considering Childress is horrible with clock management [insert one of Scott's many rants here], I'd much rather see him run up the score than practice his brand of "clock management".   ::)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: John C on January 17, 2010, 11:29 PM
You never ever let up on a team in the playoffs.  You step on their neck and stomp it if you can.  It's up to them to stop the bleeding. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on January 18, 2010, 02:25 AM
Quote
The people that whine about running up the score are the same people that think winners and losers of a little league game should get trophies. The object is to put more points on the board than the other guy and make any chance of a comeback as difficult as possible. Done and done.

That made me laugh out loud because I've had many Saturdays and Mondays I could've used you at the field Jay. :)  I needed someone to say something similar to a handful of pissed off parents.

So I actually called all 4 this week and wish greatly I had put money on that SD/NY game because I think I'd have done well.

Next week's...  I dunno.

I'm going with NYJ just because I want it to happen more than I want to see Indy again.  I'm not sure who to pick in the NO/MN game especially after MN's performance today...  I'm leaning towards NO though right now, but they're the two teams I was pulling for equally when this playoff year started.  NO's line is going to give MN fits I think, and alter their D a bit...  Good luck.

About running up the score...

It's the NFL, they're all paid well, so I'm of the opinion that there should be no complaining about the score getting run up.  Stop them if you can, but don't bitch when they don't let up on you. 

I guess in the pro's they expect some chivalrous letting off the gas though, and that's sort of an unspoken thing among them...  I didn't see the last play to know if MN gave them a full backfield implying a run or something, but regardless they're professionals so complaining about it's pointless.

Justin's right with the danger of the play though...  MN had it in-hand, so I think from a coaching POV, they took a risk there that was pretty big...  Someone breaks through and hits Favre the wrong way and suddenly MN's in a whole new situation.  The run's a generally safer play in a situation like that, and probably more what I would've done just because the pass is so important to MN I think.

Watching a team pound another's boring unless you really like the team doing the pounding, haha...  I always enjoyed the Steelers choking another team to death and crushing their will to even fight back, but yeah it's all about perspective. :)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: John C on January 18, 2010, 08:43 AM
I wish the Vikes would have pulled Favre, Peterson and the other starters when it was 27-3, but I guess Chilly in his infinite wisdom wanted to build up some momentum, keep the team going at a high rate and maybe send a message to the Saints although I would think by now they know what to expect.  That game will have some points scored, but I wouldn't expect a Green Bay/Arizona score.  Maybe 35-31 or something similar.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Paul on January 18, 2010, 08:52 AM

It would have been neat to see Farve vs. Warner.  A combined 79+ years for the 2 starting QBs.

You mean a combined 79 years of life?   ???  It's not like they were playing right out of the womb. 

Of course, only Madden and Bradshaw think Farve threw his first pass to the OB/Gyn that delivered him.  And since they don't frequent the forum, I assumed everybody would figure that out.


JJ that was my theory exactly.. they are gonna run a play like that and risk letting Tavares Jackson start the NFC Championship game.  

Ok, watching some of the local coverage on this 'Running up' thing and something I had not noticed...

Dallas called a time out a play or two before that... and what were they going to do if they had gotten ball back?  Score a touchdown and go for the rarely seen 21.5 point conversion?

So, sorry Terry Bradshaw and Keith Brooking, the Cowboys deserve it.

I don't know what to think about next week's NFC game though... Reggie Bush has 1 game finally that lives up to his billing, can he do it 2 games in a row.  And Adrian Peterson has yet to go off.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 18, 2010, 09:36 AM
There is no such thing as running up the score in the NFL. The stuff about Favre or whoever getting hurt on a play like that does have some validity, but I like keeping the momentum going.

And thank you to Paul for the timeout comment. Exactly. If you are going to use your time outs when your down by that much, which I have no problem with Dallas doing, then don't become a little whiny baby and go cry to the other team if they use that time to score.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Mikey D on January 18, 2010, 10:19 AM
Same old Chargers.

This running up the score **** is hilarious.  It was hilarious in 07 with the Pats and all their haters and it's still hilarious with the Cowboys bitching and crying.  Where was this feeling when they were scoring at ease against the Eagles the last two weeks?

I'm torn on the AFC Championship.  I really don't like either team, but I hate the Jets more, so I'll take the lesser of two evils.

I'm not much of a Favre fan, but I like the Vikings and definitely have no problems with the Saints.  I think the home team wins it (and would have said the same thing if the game was played in Minny).

Super Bowl:
Saints (pick made for selfish reasons)

However, nothing is going to compare to the Pro Bowl.  Wade vs. Norv?  That has epicness all over it.

Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on January 18, 2010, 01:13 PM
However, nothing is going to compare to the Pro Bowl.  Wade vs. Norv?  That has epicness all over it.

 ;D  I'm going to go Saints and Indy this week.  I think that might be the first time that a #1 seed faces a #1 seed - would be a grat match-up.  I'm surprisded to see the Jets make it this far, but they seem to be getting by on one or two great/lucky plays versus really dominating another team like the Vikes and Colts have done.  I do think the Vikes game might be close and I'd give the Vikes the advantage if it was here in MN.  They're still in good shape not having to play a cold weather game.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: ruiner on January 18, 2010, 03:47 PM
It's too bad the Colts and Saints couldn't keep their perfect season going. . . that would've been one helluva Super Bowl.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on January 20, 2010, 11:19 PM
I was just reading through the thread and I laughed at my owns comments of how much I hated Farve and how I hope he died etc etc.  This year has been one hell of a trip for Vikings fans and I think good ole #4 won over pretty much every cynic and baby like myself with his play on the field.  I still think he is a primadonna douche but that doesn't mean I hope and pray almost hourly that he can win two more games.

Most of you guys here cheer for teams that have won a Super Bowl, let alone two or three or five.  Maybe Eagles fans know the pain and suffering of what it is like to have a perrenial winning franchise that just cannot get over that hump.  There is something magical in the air up here and it just seems like destiny that this is the Vikings year.  It is going to happen.  If it doesn't...I'll be crushed like I always am.  I have cheered for this team since forever.  I remember being humiliated by Tony Dorsett's 99 yard run on MNF.  1987 was another magical run in which they beat the Saints and 49ers only to lose a heartbreaker to the Redskins.  The early Denny Green years had 5-6 playoff teams before he even got a sniff of winning a playoff game.  The 98 team was the last team of destiny.  I'll be man enough to admit that I sat an cried on my couch as Morten Andersen's kick ended the Vikings season.  2001...I actually started shoveling my driveway in the last NFC Championship folly.  I'm not even old enough to really remember the 4 Super Bowl defeats (unlike a Canuckian).  Sorry for ranting...come on Farve...two more games!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on January 20, 2010, 11:35 PM
Well, as a Packer fan deep in Minnesota territory, nothing would ruin my week/month/year more than seeing the Vikes win a Super Bowl.  We have to deal with enough anti-packer BS day in and day out - having the purple finally win one would be pure agony.  I won't be at all surprised to see them go and win, but I will be dissapointed if it ends up that way and may need to ask my boss if I can just telecommute until next season.

Anyone else up here catch the funny bit on KFAN yesterday?  A bunch of guys from a station in Dallas called up to give the Common Man a hard time, since they apparently just beat MN in hockey this week.  Apparently they felt that was big payback for the Vikings knocking the Cowboys out of the playoffs.  Common had some hilarious come backs to put them in their place, but the best line came from one of the Dallas guys as they were signing off.  He asked, "Hey Common, you sure you got room in the trophy case for another Lombardi trophy?"  Priceless.

Go Saints!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: P-Siddy on January 21, 2010, 10:15 AM
A bunch of guys from a station in Dallas called up to give the Common Man a hard time, since they apparently just beat MN in hockey this week.  Apparently they felt that was big payback for the Vikings knocking the Cowboys out of the playoffs. 

Hmm, hockey doesn't equate with football in the sports world, so if these boys feel better about it, fine.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on January 21, 2010, 10:24 AM
Most of you guys here cheer for teams that have won a Super Bowl, let alone two or three or five.  Maybe Eagles fans know the pain and suffering of what it is like to have a perrenial winning franchise that just cannot get over that hump. 

As a Bucs fan I know what it's like... the thing that sucks though, is when you finally do win one the fans (at least in Tampa) started to act like Superbowls grow on trees... they ran Gruden, the best coach in franchise history, right out of town 5 years later... there were some down years, mostly because of salary cap issues, but he still managed to win another pair of division titles (3 total in his 6  years)... but patience all but disappeared.  Tampa fans became fickle, and embarrassing.

And now we've got Raheem the Dream Morris and a 3-13 team.  A team Gruden won 9 games with last year.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Morgbug on January 21, 2010, 12:27 PM
Most of you guys here cheer for teams that have won a Super Bowl, let alone two or three or five. 

And one of us has been waiting on the Vikings since the Purple People Eaters and Fran Tarkenton  :-\  Trust me, I share your pain.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on January 21, 2010, 03:02 PM
Most of you guys here cheer for teams that have won a Super Bowl, let alone two or three or five.  Maybe Eagles fans know the pain and suffering of what it is like to have a perrenial winning franchise that just cannot get over that hump. 

As a Bucs fan I know what it's like... the thing that sucks though, is when you finally do win one the fans (at least in Tampa) started to act like Superbowls grow on trees... they ran Gruden, the best coach in franchise history, right out of town 5 years later... there were some down years, mostly because of salary cap issues, but he still managed to win another pair of division titles (3 total in his 6  years)... but patience all but disappeared.  Tampa fans became fickle, and embarrassing.

And now we've got Raheem the Dream Morris and a 3-13 team.  A team Gruden won 9 games with last year.

MN probably won't be viewed the same way if they win.  Running Childress out of town might actually lead to more SBs down the road.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: John C on January 21, 2010, 04:42 PM
I was just reading through the thread and I laughed at my owns comments of how much I hated Farve and how I hope he died etc etc.  This year has been one hell of a trip for Vikings fans and I think good ole #4 won over pretty much every cynic and baby like myself with his play on the field.  I still think he is a primadonna douche but that doesn't mean I hope and pray almost hourly that he can win two more games.

Most of you guys here cheer for teams that have won a Super Bowl, let alone two or three or five.  Maybe Eagles fans know the pain and suffering of what it is like to have a perrenial winning franchise that just cannot get over that hump.  There is something magical in the air up here and it just seems like destiny that this is the Vikings year.  It is going to happen.  If it doesn't...I'll be crushed like I always am.  I have cheered for this team since forever.  I remember being humiliated by Tony Dorsett's 99 yard run on MNF.  1987 was another magical run in which they beat the Saints and 49ers only to lose a heartbreaker to the Redskins.  The early Denny Green years had 5-6 playoff teams before he even got a sniff of winning a playoff game.  The 98 team was the last team of destiny.  I'll be man enough to admit that I sat an cried on my couch as Morten Andersen's kick ended the Vikings season.  2001...I actually started shoveling my driveway in the last NFC Championship folly.  I'm not even old enough to really remember the 4 Super Bowl defeats (unlike a Canuckian).  Sorry for ranting...come on Farve...two more games!

The history of the Vikings is littered with failure.  After 1998 I vowed to never get too excited about them until they are in the Super Bowl and are in control of the game with 5 minutes left.  I still stand by that.  They are cursed and chokers until they prove otherwise much like the Red Sox were and Cubs still are. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: ruiner on January 21, 2010, 04:52 PM

The history of the Bears is littered with failure.  After 1985 I vowed to never get too excited about them until they are in a second Super Bowl and are in control of the game with 5 minutes left.  I still stand by that.  They are cursed and chokers until they prove otherwise much like the Red Sox were and Cubs still are.  
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jeff on January 22, 2010, 10:20 AM
After the Cowboys/Vikings game, Prince had a vision of the future...  and it's Purple & Gold (http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/sports/prince-reveals-song-for-vikings-saints-game).   :-X

Quote
Prince said he hadnít seen the Vikings play in a very long time, until he went to the game against the Dallas Cowboys last week.

ďI saw the future,Ē said Prince.

He said he went home that night, wrote the song, "Purple and Gold," and said the song came easy and fast.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 22, 2010, 10:21 AM
After the Cowboys/Vikings game, Prince had a vision of the future...  and it's Purple & Gold (http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/sports/prince-reveals-song-for-vikings-saints-game).   :-X

I heard that this morning and wow does it suck.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on January 22, 2010, 11:14 AM
I like how it says Prince hasn't seen a game for a long time...except when he was at the Bears game in November

(http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bears-game-day/assets_c/2009/11/prince%20at%20the%20bears%20vikings%20game-thumb-400x298-37376.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: John C on January 22, 2010, 11:15 AM
That song is horrible, WTF was he thinking? 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jayson on January 22, 2010, 11:17 AM
I like how it says Prince hasn't seen a game for a long time...except when he was at the Bears game in November

(http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bears-game-day/assets_c/2009/11/prince%20at%20the%20bears%20vikings%20game-thumb-400x298-37376.jpg)

I saw him on TV at the Dallas game too.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on January 22, 2010, 05:46 PM
I like how he appears to be lurking in the background of a sporting event.

"Then he took us in the house and served us pancakes."
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on January 22, 2010, 09:16 PM
I like how he appears to be lurking in the background of a sporting event.

"Then he took us in the house and served us pancakes."

LMAO!   Cripes, I had forgotten all about that skit.   ;D
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Morgbug on January 24, 2010, 10:17 PM
 :'(
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jayson on January 24, 2010, 10:21 PM
Congrats to the Saints we lost that game for you.  :-\
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on January 24, 2010, 10:37 PM
That was pretty ******' unbelievable.  That Vikings fumbled that game away... they lost it on penalties... and that 12 in the huddle was a killer... without that, Favre never has the chance to play hero and throw that bad pick.  Unbelievable.

Go Colts I guess...  >:(
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on January 24, 2010, 11:09 PM
I'm actually in a pretty good state of mind right now, it was a really fun year and ole Farve got us to within one play of the super bowl.  That being said, they sure Chilly Dogged the end of regulation.  Longwell is so money I was jumping up and down when they got to the 32...even from 54 he would have probably made it.  ****.  Oh well...I will be cheering for the Colts.  I cannot stand the national media trying to make the Saints be the new Americas team.  Go Colts!b
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: P-Siddy on January 24, 2010, 11:16 PM
I cannot stand the national media trying to make the Saints be the new Americas team. 

All because of one hurricane. (I sympathize with those who lost people and things)

It can't say much for the Saints to win in overtime to a team that kept turning the ball over.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on January 24, 2010, 11:29 PM
I'm rooting for the Saints...  Never been there, and the Colts is too recent.  So I'm a Saints guy now.

I was torn in the game though, I didn't know who to feel bad or happy for, but at least know I was thinking of my MN friends on every drive they had.

The Favre pass at the end makes me wonder if he was sort of let loose with that by the coaches or if he chose that on his own accord.  He's not a guy I'm totally fond of but I liked the story around him this year and at his age and things.  So I am now left wondering if Favre was greenlighted to try that, or if it was even something they thought may happen, as a player was clearly there and ready...  He wasn't cutting over to block or anything after he ran his route, so it makes me just curious how much blame goes to Favre and how much goes to the coaches.

Total **** way to lose a game though, and I told my gf at the coin toss that whoever won, won the game...  I mean that's not stepping out on a limb, but in that game I think whoever got that pretty much had it bagged.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 25, 2010, 09:04 AM
I cannot stand the national media trying to make the Saints be the new Americas team. 

All because of one hurricane. (I sympathize with those who lost people and things)

It can't say much for the Saints to win in overtime to a team that kept turning the ball over.

Total agreement with both of you.  Enough's enough with the media cheerleading of the Saints.

I'm rooting for Peyton Manning.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on January 25, 2010, 09:27 AM
Tough loss Viking fans.  That's the old Favre we Packer fans are used to.  I was definitely rooting for the Saints in this one, but it's a little bittersweet knowing how man MN fans there are on these boards.  At least it was a really close, fun game to watch.  And how about a #1 seed facing a #1 seed in the SB - that almost never happens! 

I maybe haven't seen as much media chat about the Saints as some of you, but I'll be rooting for them in SB XLIV.  They've been a losing franchise for a looooong time and frankly, I think that city could use a big win rather than an "Almost was."  I like Brees and company and the coach, so it's not hard to get behind them.  I do think Indy has the edge on them, but Manning's had a ton of success in his career, so it be nice for someone else to get the spotlight for a change.  I am getting a little sick of the "Who dat?" crap though. 

Oh well, Go Saints!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Neal on January 25, 2010, 09:38 AM
I've said it before, but I really, really hate sudden death OT.  A fantastic game like that should not be decided by a coin flip.  Oh well.

For the record, I hope that Favre comes back.  If he's healthy, he's still a much better option at QB then the rest of the crap that the Vikings have.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 25, 2010, 04:23 PM
12 men in the huddle coming out of a timeout. That's not even possible.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: P-Siddy on January 25, 2010, 10:37 PM
I'm rooting for the Saints...  Never been there, and the Colts is too recent.   So I'm a Saints guy now.

I doubt you said that when the Steelers won 2 Super Bowls in recent years.  ;)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on January 25, 2010, 10:53 PM
Actually that's WHY I'm saying it. :)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 26, 2010, 12:34 AM
Looking at how the Saints played against the Vikings....I have to think they are the weaker team going into the Superbowl.  The Vikings had 5 turnovers and yet they still managed to take it to overtime!

I just hope it's a good game and my numbers come up at the right time.   :D
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: John C on January 26, 2010, 11:30 AM
I'm not too upset.  I expected the choking chokers to choke and they did.  Vikings=Cubs.  I agree that the Colts should pound the Saints.  The Vikes had all of those turnovers and they barely lost. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on January 26, 2010, 12:20 PM
I've said it before, but I really, really hate sudden death OT.  A fantastic game like that should not be decided by a coin flip.  Oh well.

What would you do differently?  It's not really decided by just a coin toss.  I think the stat for playoff overtime wins was 8-5 in favor of who called the coin - that's an edge, but hardly overwhelming.  I think the game was decided by dumb mistakes on behalf of the Vikings and a dumb throw by Favre - they were pretty equally matched outside of that.  And sorry, but those of you saying you're the Vikes are a better team because they hung in there despite more turnovers are smoking some kool-aid rolls.  The #1 seed Saints are a good team in their own right and deserve to be in the big game.  Best of luck to them.

And yeah, 12 men in the huddle in a game like this?  What!?  Pretty brutal mistake.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on January 26, 2010, 05:24 PM
I think most people would want a College Style OT with alternating possessions from say the 35
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 26, 2010, 05:27 PM
I think most people would want a College Style OT with alternating possessions from say the 35

That's not real football. That's as dumb as the shoot out in the NHL now.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on January 26, 2010, 06:11 PM
Actually I like the shootout in hockey...  I think it's helped improve the game myself.  The format's sound that if you make it to OT you get a point, but only one's walking away with 2...  I think that's a good format personally, but I also didn't care for things ending in ties.

The problem with the NHL's format is it puts a lot of pressure on the goaltenders, and less on all the other players.

My feelings on NFL OT are really that each team should have a chance at possession and to defend, but that's me.  I don't know about starting from the 35 though...  I think the ball should be kicked to each team to start their series.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Neal on January 26, 2010, 09:30 PM
I've said it before, but I really, really hate sudden death OT.  A fantastic game like that should not be decided by a coin flip.  Oh well.

What would you do differently? 

One full quarter of OT.  If the score is still tied after that, then you go to sudden death for the second OT.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on January 27, 2010, 09:07 AM
I've said it before, but I really, really hate sudden death OT.  A fantastic game like that should not be decided by a coin flip.  Oh well.

What would you do differently? 

One full quarter of OT.  If the score is still tied after that, then you go to sudden death for the second OT.

Okay, but why do we need the full quarter of OT if it can go to a second quarter of OT?  I think it's just fine going to whoever scores first in overtime.  Look at the Packers/Cards game a few weeks ago.  There was no defense in that game and the Packers got the coin toss, so they should have won, but it's really either team's game at that point.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Scott on January 27, 2010, 09:42 AM
See, I like College OT.  It gives both teams a chance to score plus it adds some drama especially if you hold the other team to a FG or shut them out completely.  I realize that all the other team has to do in OT is stop them and they get a chance but it sucked to see the Vikes O on the sideline without a chance while the refs gave the Saints the W.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 27, 2010, 09:47 AM
I hate turning the OT into something you'd do at the end of practice to determine who wins a game. That's why I really hate the NHL shoot out (not to mention that it makes the game worth 3 points) and don't like college football. What happened to special teams and field position and all the other things that are actuall a part of the game. Stop the Saints from advancing the ball. Return their punt and kick your own field goal.

OH AND DON'T HAVE 12 MEN IN THE HUDDLE COMING OUT OF A TIMEOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on January 27, 2010, 10:18 AM
See, I like College OT.  It gives both teams a chance to score plus it adds some drama especially if you hold the other team to a FG or shut them out completely.  I realize that all the other team has to do in OT is stop them and they get a chance but it sucked to see the Vikes O on the sideline without a chance while the refs gave the Saints the W.

What I don't like about college overtime rules is that the second team to get the ball knows exactly what they need to win it.  If the first offense did not score, they just need a FG.  If the first team got a FG, they need a TD.  That is a clear advantage in knowing what you need that the first team doesn't get.  I also don't like the idea of second overtime or third overtime - let someone score and the game is over IMHO.

As for having a full extra quarter of overtime, I just don't see the advantage.  It makes the game longer I guess, which is good or bad depening on whether or not you like long games.  But it can still come down to whomever got the ball first if the two offenses are just ping-pong scoring back and forth and can still end up with no resolution forcing a second overtime.  Personally, I think extending overtimes is dangerous because everyone's tired and it's that's much easier to get a significant injury.

It may not be perfect, but I like the current overtime rules better than any of the proposed alternatives. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Neal on January 27, 2010, 10:41 AM
Both teams should at least have one chance on offense.  OK ... so maybe you don't play an entire extra quarter ... maybe you shorten it, i.e. instead of 15 minutes they play 8 (or something).  That's what the NBA does.  
That way, you're not just playing for a field goal attempt.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on January 27, 2010, 04:19 PM
My thoughts are similar to Neals in that each team should get a chance at playing both sides of the ball.  The ball's kicked off to the team going first on offense, they have to score or at least not turn it over for points.  If they don't score then the other team gets the ball kicked off to them and the same deal happens.  I think it maintains every aspect of the game from special teams onward, but it also gives both sides a chance rather than letting the coin decide.

Someone mentioned on a sports show the other night having it that you have to get to the 20 to kick a field goal...  I thought that was interesting.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jayson on January 29, 2010, 03:40 PM
Kurt Warner to retire. (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,584327,00.html?test=latestnews)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jayson on January 29, 2010, 03:48 PM
More salt for the wounds....

NFL: Refs missed call on low hit on Favre (http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/82995047.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiU9PmP:QiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on January 29, 2010, 04:45 PM
Yeah, thatís the way it goes sometimes.  At least it wasnít two blown calls within two plays like the
missed roughing the passer and facemask calls on Aaron Rodgers a few weeks ago. (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/01/10/packers-cardinals-game-ends-in-officiating-controversy/) 
Maybe the Packers beat the Saints and youíre looking at either the Vikes or the Pack
going to the Superbowl if the refs had been watching at the end of the game. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: ruiner on January 29, 2010, 05:00 PM
It's a wash.  They shouldn't have called the earlier 'roughing the passer' call.  Even Aikman disagreed with it.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 30, 2010, 09:14 AM
I actually have an infinite amount of free tickets for the Vikes game next year where they are raising the "woulda shoulda coulda" NFC Championship banner if anyone wants to come.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: P-Siddy on January 30, 2010, 10:53 AM
I'll take one!  8)
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Morgbug on January 31, 2010, 01:31 PM
I hate turning the OT into something you'd do at the end of practice to determine who wins a game. That's why I really hate the NHL shoot out (not to mention that it makes the game worth 3 points)

My preference would have been for the league to have ties end as ties.  That was fine, both teams played equally, each got a point.  The shootout is a marketing tool it would seem, predominantly aimed at casual hockey fans.  Given the choice between regular season games going to OT or a shootout, I'd prefer the shootout.  In the playoffs though, OT all the way, forever.  But sudden death in hockey is very different than sudden death in football. 

I assume the Vikes will raise the banner at the season opener, so I should be there for that. 
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 8, 2010, 12:03 AM
Good Superbowl!  I thought the Colts were going to win it, but glad the Saints pulled it off.

It's been nice the past few years that the games have either gone down to the last drive, or at least into the 4th quarter.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Jesse James on February 8, 2010, 02:31 AM
Good game for sure.  Glad the Saints won...  That int's going to haunt Manning.
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: JediJman on February 8, 2010, 08:53 AM
Yeah Saints!  Glad to see them win it, though I thought for sure Indy was going to steamroll them the way the game started.  At least it was pretty close almost all the way through - good game!
Title: Re: NFL Regular Season 2009
Post by: Rob on February 8, 2010, 02:31 PM
In the playoffs though, OT all the way, forever.  But sudden death in hockey is very different than sudden death in football. 

The last playoff hockey game I went to ended in the 5th OT if I remember right... I didn't leave the arena until something like 1:30 at night.

It was awesome though.