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Community => Watto's Junk Yard => Topic started by: Famine on October 6, 2004, 02:10 PM
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I'm an avid fan who watches this show obsessivly every tuesday when it's on. Is anyone else a fan? The show follows the lives of two Miami plastic surgeons and their family life, love life, and sex life. To me, it's truely the best show on television. Last night was the season finale, and it was the best episode I have seen. Fantastic!
Does anyone else watch this great show?
Kevin
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Yep, Famine, I'm a big fan of the show. I've just about given up on network television, as I hate reality shows, the dramas are just getting ridiculous, and there hasn't been a good sitcom in ages, but "Nip/Tuck" has given me hope that television might have a few breaths left in it. Of course, it IS on cable, so the networks are left holding the bag again.
I was actually hoping that the season finale would clear up the entire "Carver" storyline since the Escobar storyline from Season 1 was tied up nicely in that season's finale, but once again, they threw a major curveball with the final scene. So even though we know the nature of particular characters which I won't spoil for those who haven't seen it, we still don't know who the Carver is. Irritating in one way, but it keeps my anticipation for next season going, which I guess is the point.
I have my own theory on who the Carver is, and it's kind of out there. I won't go into it here, as I can't find a font color that is difficult for people to see without highlighting and there doesn't seem to be a spoiler tag for highlighting/obscuring. I don't want to spoil anyone on my theory, so if you want to PM me and discuss it, feel free to do so. :)
Cool to know that another SW fan is watching!
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I watch it religiously as well. It's one of the best things on TV. But man... was that finale full of curve balls! Poor Dr. Troy... why does he end up being everybody's punching bag? I hope he's back next season... I got a vibe off that Atlanta doctor who fixed Dr. McNamara's face that maybe he was joining the cast... "unless you guys offer me a job..." Maybe he's gonna be Dr. Troy's replacement. Hopefully not... but Julian McMahon did get cast as Dr. Doom in the new Fantastic Four movie, so he could be moving to the big screen. So who knows. He's the whole reason to watch the show. Well, him and all the naked women.
As for the identity of the Carver, I hope he's not connected with the Docs in any way. The Carver was introduced to the Docs because they decided to fix his work. So having some grand circle where he was their roommate in college or a victim one of their medical errors would be too much of a conincidence. I could see his alter-ego making contact AFTER the carvings started, but not before. I hope the show doesn't resort to some tired gimmick for his identity.
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I'm bumping this thread back from the netherworld in anticipation of tomorrow's season premiere, the wait for which has been grueling.
I recently saw on the TV Guide channel that both Jessalyn Gilsig (who plays Gina, the sexually addicted, HIV-positive mother of Christian's "son" Wilbur/Gabriel) and Bruno Campos, who played the Atlanta plastic surgeon Quentin Costa, are now official full-time cast members, so I anticipate that both of them will have a lot more screentime this season than last.
The big question is just who is the Carver, and what is the extent of what he did to Christian in the season finale? I'm very much looking forward to finding out the answers to these questions.
"Beauty is a curse on the world. It keeps us from seeing the real monsters."
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I'm pumped for tonights season premire. I have a huge theorey on who the Carver is.
Kevin
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I've been saying for a long time that I should be watching this show. Do you think I can watch the premier and still know what's going on, or should I get the past seasons and watch them in order?
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I've been saying for a long time that I should be watching this show. Do you think I can watch the premier and still know what's going on, or should I get the past seasons and watch them in order?
I'm sure we'll get a "Previously on nip/tuck" opening montage.
I'd pick up the DVD's for sure, though.
Kevin
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I can't wait to see it either. I missed a bunch of last season's episodes, but I think I have a pretty good grasp on what's going on. Even from the little bit I've seen, I have an idea who the carver is (thought it was Sean until he got attacked)
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I need to catch up on this show. I missed the first few seasons. :(
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Do you think I can watch the premier and still know what's going on, or should I get the past seasons and watch them in order?
Well, to a certain extent you could probably jump right in, but a lot of the conflicts and characters' personalities are due to things that happened in the first two seasons (Julia and Sean, in particular), and the Season 2 finale has a huge cliffhanger that will probably be the crux of Season 3 overall (e.g. The Carver's identity).
A friend of mine said she saw Best Buy was selling a two-pack of both Season 1 and 2 DVD sets together, but she didn't say how much they were charging. All I will say is this: I have yet to meet someone who watched the show more than once who wasn't completely hooked on it after the third episode.
Plus if you don't see Season 2, you'll miss out on what has to be the greatest euphemism for sexual intercourse ever (Christian refers to giving someone a "Slippendicktomy").
:D
So, who do you guys think the Carver is? I started out with one theory (which I told Famine in a PM months ago) but after rewatching Season 2 on DVD, I'm leaning toward another theory. I don't know if it would be safe to go into detail in this thread, though, as so many people haven't seen it yet.
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I prefer Rescue Me (best TV show EVAR!!1!!!), but now that their season is over I'm looking forward to N/T being on again.
I picked up on N/T somewhere in Season 1, and I've watched RM pretty religiously since Day 1.
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I really can't wait for the next season to start up! One more day! It'll be interesting to see what happened to Dr. Troy. He's obviously still in the series, at least in the beginning, based on the previews. I'm just hoping he's not dead and they're doing some ghost thing. I'm pulling for a near-death experience/ vision thing. They've done trippy episodes like that in the past.
As much as I like McNamara, the show wouldn't be the same without Troy.
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Tonight is the night...and the next 16 or so Tuesdays will be my most looked forward to television night of the year. ;D
As much as I like McNamara, the show wouldn't be the same without Troy.
I honestly think the show would collapse without both of them. Part of what makes it so interesting as a character study piece to me is the interaction/contradiction between the two of them. What makes it really interesting is how the surface traits of each (McNamara's familial and ethical concerns and Troy's oversexed narcissism) are each abundantly present in the other on a less obvious level. In Christian's case, the familial concerns have definitely come to the forefront since Wilbur's birth and the occurrences of last season with the McNamara family.
I'm fairly certain that both Dylan Walsh and Julian McMahon are both contracted for the entire season, so I don't think we will have to worry about a mid-season departure from either of them. And with practically all of the supporting cast and regular guest stars coming back this season, I don't see a drop-off in quality, at least from the acting side of things, happening any time soon (I hope).
Semi-related is that I saw an ad for a show on TNT called "Wanted" that had the guy who played Escobar in Season 1 (and the Season 2 finale) as one of the criminals. Poor guy is typecast for life with all those tattoos. :)
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I'm sure he doesn't mind. He's making his money. I saw him in another show recently, too. Maybe the Shield? Actually, it was the promos for Blind Justice. Looking at his IMDB page, he's been in just about every cop show on TV. ;D
"Wanted"
"Blind Justice"
"Judging Amy"
"Nip/Tuck"
"Cold Case"
"NYPD Blue"
"Boomtown"
"Fastlane"
"The Shield"
"V.I.P." ;)
"UC: Undercover"
"The Lone Gunmen"
"18 Wheels of Justice"
"Nash Bridges"
"The X Files"
"Martial Law"
"Murder One"
"The Sentinel"
"Renegade"
"Law & Order"
Yeah, he's riding that type casting all the way to the bank.
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Wow. Dr. Christian Troy is BACK baby! ;D
Kevin
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Man, J.E. Freeman was practically unrecognizable as Denny. I never would have guessed that was him in a million years if I hadn't caught his name in the opening credits.
The opening sequence leading up to the pier was probably the best opening of a season I've seen since the year that "Seinfeld" opened with Susan's funeral (although in a completely different way). I knew something was up, but the longer it went on, the less sure I was about it and then they cleared it all up with one sentence, not unlike Bill's theory earlier: "And that's when I wake up."
Two things I'm wondering about/anticipating:
1. Matt's injuries as shown in brief shots during the "this season" teaser seem to be pretty extensive. Did Christian chop off his legs and leave him burning on the side of a volcano or something? ;)
2. "Sexually fixated masochistic who is obsessed with appearances": since we know it's not Christian, could it be that the detective is setting up the "other third" as the prime suspect for the Carver case?
Overall, great season opener, but DAMN THIS INTERMINABLE SEVEN DAY WAIT! Where's Samara/Sadako when you need her?
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1. Matt's injuries as shown in brief shots during the "this season" teaser seem to be pretty extensive. Did Christian chop off his legs and leave him burning on the side of a volcano or something? ;)
I mentioned that to my friend. I said to him, "Gee, I wonder how he'll stay cool in all black armor in that Miami heat?"
And as horrible as it is to imagine, all I could think of is when his coffin got jammed, how much I wanted the guy who was opperating the switch to hop up and down on that sweet pine box, and try and stuff it in the hole. I'm horrible.
Kevin
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I think the new doc from Atlanta is WAY too obvious to become the carver. Besides... he was in Atlanta. It would be WAY too easy to track his travels. AND it would be too big a coincidence.
Great episode tonight. The british cop is a hottie. I recognize her from someplace.
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The british cop is a hottie. I recognize her from someplace.
Among other things, I'm sure, she was on The Practice with James Spader for a couple of seasons.
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1. Matt's injuries as shown in brief shots during the "this season" teaser seem to be pretty extensive. Did Christian chop off his legs and leave him burning on the side of a volcano or something? ;)
Yeah -- Christian got pissed because Matt went to Michael Jackson's plastic surgeon. ;)
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The opening sequence leading up to the pier was probably the best opening of a season I've seen since the year that "Seinfeld" opened with Susan's funeral (although in a completely different way). I knew something was up, but the longer it went on, the less sure I was about it and then they cleared it all up with one sentence, not unlike Bill's theory earlier: "And that's when I wake up."
Agreed. I began to think he seriously was dead--N/T is the kind of show where they really would have the balls to kill off a primary character in the season opener.
2. "Sexually fixated masochistic who is obsessed with appearances": since we know it's not Christian, could it be that the detective is setting up the "other third" as the prime suspect for the Carver case?
SPECULATION/POSSIBLE SPOILER
Am I the only one who's been thinking of Kimber all along? My memories of last season are fuzzy--she was never attacked by the Carver was she? ???
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The british cop is a hottie. I recognize her from someplace.
Among other things, I'm sure, she was on The Practice with James Spader for a couple of seasons.
And Boston Legal.
In '04 she was also in that Spartacus TV movie with Goran Visnjic from E.R.
Rhona Mitra (http://imdb.com/name/nm0593961/)
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SPECULATION/POSSIBLE SPOILER
Am I the only one who's been thinking of Kimber all along? My memories of last season are fuzzy--she was never attacked by the Carver was she? ???
If we're thinking that it was a woman then my vote would have to be for Julia -- she sure has enough anger to be the Carver.
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Since its a new season, do we still need to worry about spoiling the previous two seasons? Can we speculate freely or should we still protect info from people who haven't seen the previous episodes yet? Which is the best way to handle it since its out there now?
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I say spoil away. Most of the big plot points from the first two have been/will be "spoiled" in season III, anyway.
But if people want, I suppose we could split into Spoiler and Spoiler-free threads.
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Okay, this post is full of spoilers, so anyone who doesn't want to find anything out about Seasons 1 and 2, please click away now, as I relinquish all responsibility from this sentence on. ;)
Am I the only one who's been thinking of Kimber all along? My memories of last season are fuzzy--she was never attacked by the Carver was she? ???
I had initially ignored the possibility that Kimber was a suspect due to the physical strength issues, but now that I've rewatched Season 2 on DVD, I'm thinking that it could be her, since all the victims we've seen were drugged prior to their attack and/or rape. Kimber would definitely have motive (her looks have been a curse more than a blessing) and she would have access to some potent drugs due to her own habit and/or time spent living with the already-dubious Merrill Bobolit. And then, hey, she's shown she's kinky enough to have strap-on dildos laying around the house, so there you go.
My first suspect was Liz, since the Carver victims started to show up right around the time she had the abortion. She told Christian that she wanted "one of the parents to be beautiful" and she had often been the staunch anti-plastic surgery spokesperson around office, often belittling Sean and Christian for doing boob jobs and tummy tucks for vain women with a lot of money. She had access to the drugs, she had knowledge of physiology, and she had a personal motive (the hatred of outside being more than the inside), but at the same time, the Carver was "getting back" at Sean for "correcting his work", pro bono, and since that's something Liz supported (the pro bono work for people who actually needed surgery), I don't know how they could reconcile the disparity.
At this point, I think it's easier to figure out who ISN'T the Carver than it is to figure out who IS. With that in mind, here's who I've disqualified from the race:
-Christian (for obvious reasons)
-Quentin Costa (he's been otherwise engaged in Atlanta)
-Annie McNamara (she's nine)
-Adrian Moore (he's dead)
I wonder if this is how my mom felt when J.R. got shot? :)
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I definatley think it's Liz.
Thats my vote, and I'm sticking to it.
The buisness card was the final nail in the coffin.
Kevin
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I don't think the Carver is anyone they know. The Carver first attacked outside their circle. I wanna say McNamara heard about it on the news or something, but I forget. He initiated contact with the victim. So the chances that it was someone they knew ahead of time would be ridiculously remote. How could anyone predict McNamara would initiate that contact? So you'd have to conclude it's just some psycho. If they know the Carver, it's because the Carver initiated a relationship with them AFTER the first attack and surgery. Hey... maybe it's the British cop!!!
But I could be remembering wrong. Did anyone refer them to the first victim?
Funny note... the actress who played the Carver's first victim - Leslie Bibb - was a hall-mate of my wife their first year in college. ;D
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Ah... the British cop is Rhona Mitra. I guess I recognize her from Hollow Man. She was also the model who posed as Laura Croft all over the place!
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But I could be remembering wrong. Did anyone refer them to the first victim?
Actually, the first victim (Leslie Bibb) was a "walk-in" IIRC. That was the episode where Bobbi whatshername was harrassing them about her "botched" liposuction, and the news reporter came to do an attack piece on McNamara/Troy, but ended up doing a story on the pro bono cases. It was after the first case that the police started asking Sean and Christian to work on the other Carver victims.
Funny note... the actress who played the Carver's first victim - Leslie Bibb - was a hall-mate of my wife their first year in college.
She wouldn't happen to know her well, would she? She wouldn't happen to know if she's looking for a nerd, would she? She wouldn't happen to have really low standards, would she? :-* ;) :-*
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Ah that's right... she was a walk-in. So I guess she could have been in union with the Carver, or the Carver's alter-ego could have pointed her in their direction. Still, it'd a bit far-fetched for one of the regulars to have executed such a scheme successfully.
And no, my wife doesn't know her that well. Sorry. ;)
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Dammit, I'll never marry Leslie Bibb. :'(
All kidding aside, as for tonight's episode, I did NOT see that coming. Nip/Tuck is the only show on television that is this unpredictable.
Matt's bald? Identity crisis, yes. Changing appearance to hide from angry transsexual? Didn't see it coming at all.
Matt's doing his best Vader impression. The Carver's next victim? No. Beaten by a gang of angry transsexuals? Never would have seen that coming.
All the disturbing imagery of Adrian's rotting corpse ridden with maggots aside, the scene of Julia and her mother smoking pot in Matt's room were just hilarious. Very little plot development tonight outside of Matt's ordeals, but another great episode.
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Wow. I don't think he shaved his head to hide from the Tranny, just to look different, and less girly. Identity crisis, for sure.
I did the same thing this summer, but it was for a new look, and the fact that I was sweating so bad and overheating that it didn't matter if I took a shower 3 times a day, my hair always ended smelling like sweat.
I cracked up at the angry band of Trannys coming after Matt. I really did. That was so hilarious to see the crowd of men in chicks clothes tearing down on an 18 year old kid.
Adrians rotting corpse was absolutley disgusting, no doubt. Could you immagine that? Finding such a thing?
I loved the double meaning of the 6th sense refrence of knowing somthing was no longer right with some one, even if the apearance hid it. Troy getting raped but hiding it, and the gorilla with the scars, hiding it.
I didn't dig the whole Pot use thing in the whole episode. Not a fan of drug use, even fictional.
Kevin
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I was sure the gang member was going to get killed at the end... the symentry of one living and one dying. Another unexpected ending. I wonder if he'll be in future episodes.
I didn't know what to expect from Matt when he found his buddy's special surprise. Pretty disturbing. I have no idea where that arc is headed next. This show really has no fear.
I'm looking forward to seeing more of the British cop next week. ;D
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Well, it was my first Carver theory, then I discarded it, Famine championed it, and it looks to me like, Christian red herring aside, Liz is probably the Carver.
The most obvious contention of this is the access to the anesthesia, and since Liz is the only person in McNamara/Troy who knows how to use that machine (remember the arguments between Christian and Sean as to who would "get" Liz in their divorce last season), it stands to reason that were she not the Carver, she would notice immediately if there were any problems.
The big one though is this: Liz knew that Christian was still in the building and that he had some sort of resentment toward the latest "victim" (who actually wasn't). Christian walks in and he basically allows Liz to put him under so he can "make sure nothing is wrong", and the last time we see Christian, he's lying on the table, Liz touches his hand, and walks out. Christian is incapacitated, Sean is elsewhere dealing with the Matt situation, and Julia has her daughter. The only person who is unaccounted for is Quentin, but he's just too obvious.
Liz hears about the "fake" Carver victim and decides that she wants a little revenge, switches the anesthesia to the "waking" medication, and if the woman on the table wasn't a victim of the Carver before, she is now. And then the Carver shows her rage by silencing the only witness to the crime that knows the anesthesia was definitely wrong. The lawyer was already questioning the girl because of her lying to begin with, Christian and Quentin's unquestioning loyalty to Liz and her precision plus Christian's dislike for the woman gives Liz the perfect alibi: pin it on Christian.
Plus, Christian dropped another of his "lesbian slams" early in the episode to Liz, so it set me thinking about the reason he was raped while Sean wasn't. Christian gains power from his masculinity and is derisive toward Liz and her homosexuality. What better way to completely control Christian and shatter his entire world than to simultaneously violate him in a homosexual manner and put him in a position that he had never been in: the submissive bottom, as opposed to the alpha male top. Christian's rape is Liz's revenge for the nonstop gay jokes at her expense.
Half of me wouldn't be surprised to see this completely shot out of the water and Annie turn out to be the Carver at this point. I just never know what to expect from week to week and that's why I keep watching. :)
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During the surgery when the lady was screaming... That freaked the hell out of me! :-[
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My friend aught to believe me now.
Kevin
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I don't know... the Carver just isn't built like Liz. I guess they could fudge that, but in ever shot he's tall and powerful-looking. She's average height and kinda heavy.
Great episode. That surgery was intense. It's hard to imagine being in that situation. I can't picture Liz doing that on purpose, but the drugs disappearing - that's pretty damaging.
The promos for next week are freaky as hell. Who know where the hell this thing is going next?? You'd think Christian being anesthetized during the latest attack would be a decent alibi...
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A common thing shows like these do is change around the masked people so as to avoid people catching on to a general height/weight, etc.
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1) I was a little "disappointed" how fast Sean got his daughter back. Don't get me wrong, that was really tough to watch, but with a show like this you'd think they'd have milked that story potential as long as they could, for one more episode at least.
2) Sure, Christian is an obvious red herring, but then again ... what if we're supposed to think it's a red herring, and it really is him--maybe they're making it so obvious nobody believes it, and when he's revealed it really is a twist? Just something to consider. (http://cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/konfus/a010.gif)
3) Yes Christian was anesthesized, but as I recall there was no specific timeframe given, right? The way it was cut together may imply it was immediately thereafter, or maybe not. Unless somebody remembers a little better than me.... (http://cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/konfus/a014.gif)
4) And Doc, you mention the rape, and I'll agree that's a credible motive for Liz, but if Sean is to be believed (I suppose nothing can be taken for granted at this point) there's no physical evidence it took place.
So
a) He's lying
b) He hallucinated from the trauma
Either way, your theory is shot down .... I think??
My brain hurts.
(http://cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/konfus/e026.gif)
:)
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The whole Carver thing is so confusing because just when you think it's one person, that person is completely discarded due to one detail, and then ten episodes later, they come back to the forefront.
There was someone on a Nip/Tuck board who went into a rather long and involved (and, well, feasible) explanation for how Sean was the Carver back during the summer. It's actually dependent on something you mention, Nathan (the time lapse between the anesthetization of Christian and the murder of the girl last night), as one of the key contentions was that Sean laying in bed holding the gun on episode 02:16 (last season's finale) did not occur concurrently with Christian's assault. This person suggested that Sean was "remembering" what he had just done to Christian and that while we thought at the time we were seeing Christian's assault in real time, we were actually seeing an almost immediate flashback.
4) And Doc, you mention the rape, and I'll agree that's a credible motive for Liz, but if Sean is to be believed (I suppose nothing can be taken for granted at this point) there's no physical evidence it took place.
Well, it has been about three months' time (in the television series timeline) since Christian was assaulted, so from a biological standpoint, he has had a rather long time to heal (physically if not spiritually). I don't think Sean was saying that there was no sign of any trauma (I could be wrong) indicating a rape had even occurred so much as the trauma that had occurred at the time of the rape had healed to a point where it should not be bothering Christian in such a physical manner. More of a "making a mountain out of a molehill" explanation from Sean to Christian, if you will. What I got out of it was that even though a physical assault had taken place, Christian's reexperiencing of the pain in his rectal area was akin to PTSD and a somatic hallucination in the vein of amputees who sometimes claim they can still feel pain in their nonexistent limbs.
If Christian does turn out to be the Carver (and I don't think he will), I'll be shocked beyond shocked. Quentin is too obvious (being the new guy and all) for one reason, and Liz became horribly obvious last night for other reasons.
WHAT WE KNOW:
-Has access to paralyzing narcotic drugs
-Resents physical aesthetics as a primary means of identifying beauty
-Has access to paperwork from McNamara/Troy (the business cards)
-Had knowledge of the nature of last night's case despite the case not being leaked to the general public (I think)
-Has a vendetta (apparently) against both Sean and (particularly) Christian
-Was able to change the anesthesia in last night's operation without arousing suspicion
The argument that the Carver has to be a man (which I've never seen here, actually) is unfounded since the key points brought up for this are great physical strength and a penis (both of which are usually associated with the masculine persuasion). However, the Carver's victims have all been caught by surprise, and the Carver is able to administer the paralyzing agent before the victim is able to react and defend themselves. And as for the penis thing, I have two words: Strap-On. Or if that's one word, strap-on dildo. :P After all, no DNA evidence had ever been found at any of the assaults.
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-Had knowledge of the nature of last night's case despite the case not being leaked to the general public (I think)
The way the victim described it, it sounded as if she'd gone public. She was talking about support groups and charities... things that would make it onto the local news. And she talked about all the attention she was receiving. Even the way Quentin told Christian and Sean... it sounded like he was repeating a news story.
There are a lot of pointers to Liz. She has access to the drugs. You could say she used faulty anesthetic on purpose to torture the fake Carver victim. Then that mixture disappears down the drain. But it just seems SO out of character. The only violent thing her character has ever done (that I can recall) was abort her baby. But that wasn't malicious or sadistic. In general she's a pacifist far-left liberal. That usually doesn't translate into psycho-killer. And there's no way that's her in the Carver outfit in any of the shots so far. Like I said - they could fudge it. But I tend to think they're a little more honest.
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Well, it has been about three months' time (in the television series timeline) since Christian was assaulted, so from a biological standpoint, he has had a rather long time to heal (physically if not spiritually). I don't think Sean was saying that there was no sign of any trauma (I could be wrong) indicating a rape had even occurred so much as the trauma that had occurred at the time of the rape had healed to a point where it should not be bothering Christian in such a physical manner. More of a "making a mountain out of a molehill" explanation from Sean to Christian, if you will. What I got out of it was that even though a physical assault had taken place, Christian's reexperiencing of the pain in his rectal area was akin to PTSD and a somatic hallucination in the vein of amputees who sometimes claim they can still feel pain in their nonexistent limbs.
(http://cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/konfus/a014.gif) OK, I'll take your word for it. I forgot three months had passed.
WHAT WE KNOW:
-Has access to paralyzing narcotic drugs
-Resents physical aesthetics as a primary means of identifying beauty
-Has access to paperwork from McNamara/Troy (the business cards)
-Had knowledge of the nature of last night's case despite the case not being leaked to the general public (I think)
-Has a vendetta (apparently) against both Sean and (particularly) Christian
-Was able to change the anesthesia in last night's operation without arousing suspicion
If it wasn't for the last one, that would fit Kimber.
Point by point:
-- Not difficult. She was already doing cocaine at one point, so who knows what kind of people she might know, especially thru the porn industry? Heck, that psycho British cop (name escapes me) could have hooked her up.
-- OK, so it's not explicitly stated that I know of, but it's not too much of a stretch that she might be feeling some resentment toward her line of work and how she got there, how everyone treats her as a sex object, and so on.
-- Easily accomplished, particularly considering the amount of time she spends/spent around Christian and the office.
-- Assuming it wasn't a news story, she could have talked with Sean/Christian/Liz or someone and we didn't see it onscreen. Or if, like BillCable said, it was already public, then this problem goes away.
-- Easy.
-- Now I admit this one would be hard to explain if it was Kimber. She could have sneaked in at some earlier point, but the stuff is surely locked up and I doubt she has the medical knowledge to figure out what to swap with what. Of course, she could have an accomplice on the inside--someone she simply bribed, or even Liz.
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The way the victim described it, it sounded as if she'd gone public. She was talking about support groups and charities... things that would make it onto the local news. And she talked about all the attention she was receiving. Even the way Quentin told Christian and Sean... it sounded like he was repeating a news story.
I bow to your superior memory, Bill. :) I had forgotten about the lawyer being paid for by the charity group, which would mean it probably had been made public.
But it just seems SO out of character. The only violent thing her character has ever done (that I can recall) was abort her baby. But that wasn't malicious or sadistic. In general she's a pacifist far-left liberal. That usually doesn't translate into psycho-killer. And there's no way that's her in the Carver outfit in any of the shots so far. Like I said - they could fudge it. But I tend to think they're a little more honest.
Yeah, that's what has been keeping me from thinking it was Liz up until last night, and is making me second-guess it all now (again). She shows none of the overt signs or symptoms associated with Dissociative Identity Disorder, and there is very little anger present. The only instances I can think of where she became visibly angry or upset is when she had the abortion and that was more out of an inability to have a child and having to terminate her "one shot" than it was actually going through the abortion process itself. The thing that first made me think it was Liz was back when she explained her reasoning for wanting Christian's sperm for her in vitro procedure ("At least one of his parents would be beautiful") and its relation to the Carver's manifesto/mantra "Beauty is a curse on the world."
If it wasn't for the last one, that would fit Kimber.
Point by point:
-- Not difficult. She was already doing cocaine at one point, so who knows what kind of people she might know, especially thru the porn industry? Heck, that psycho British cop (name escapes me) could have hooked her up.
-- OK, so it's not explicitly stated that I know of, but it's not too much of a stretch that she might be feeling some resentment toward her line of work and how she got there, how everyone treats her as a sex object, and so on.
-- Easily accomplished, particularly considering the amount of time she spends/spent around Christian and the office.
-- Assuming it wasn't a news story, she could have talked with Sean/Christian/Liz or someone and we didn't see it onscreen. Or if, like BillCable said, it was already public, then this problem goes away.
-- Easy.
-- Now I admit this one would be hard to explain if it was Kimber. She could have sneaked in at some earlier point, but the stuff is surely locked up and I doubt she has the medical knowledge to figure out what to swap with what. Of course, she could have an accomplice on the inside--someone she simply bribed, or even Liz.
It's the last one (the access to the anesthesia in McNamara/Troy) that throws a monkey wrench into all our theories, it seems. :) And going by that list, the vast majority of them could apply to Matt as well (even though I'm reasonably sure it's not him, I think, maybe, uhhh, possibly).
I can't remember the exact wording of it, but in the investigation of a crime, isn't there a mnemonic device for deciding who might be a suspect? I know that motive, means, and ability are part of it, but I can't remember what the list is exactly.
And that last part is an interesting point, Nathan: what if the Carver isn't working alone? What if there is more than one Carver, in a manner of speaking? We already know that Kimber isn't averse to same-sex relations, so the possibility that she and Liz are complicit in the Carver situation, stemming from a secret romantic affair is something for me to think about.
The thing that I'm digging about this is that I don't have the slightest idea what is going to happen and every theory I hear sounds plausible enough to be the correct one. The thing that will completely blow my mind is if it's someone we never suspect behind the Mardi Gras mask and it has been right under our noses the entire time.
Best. Show. On. Television. PERIOD. :)
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Best. Show. On. Television. PERIOD. :)
It says a lot for the quality and twisted nature of a show when any main character of either gender could feasibly and believably turn out to be a serial rapist and murderer. And nobody has any clue who it'll turn out to be.
I still think it'll be some random person outside the main cast. At least that's the most logical solution. Besides the ether-adict who chopped up that bad lipo victim, have any other doctors had any vendettas against McNamara/Troy?
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Besides the ether-adict who chopped up that bad lipo victim, have any other doctors had any vendettas against McNamara/Troy?
The only other doctors that I can think of off the top of my head besides Boblit and Quentin who have had contact with Sean or Christian were Grace Santiago (the Psychiatrist from Season 1) and the female plastic surgeon (who Christian went to for a nose job in Season 2; that was the episode where he detoured Pyro from "X2" to McNamara/Troy to get his superflous third nipple removed). Dr. Santiago may have some motive, but other than Christian wagging his johnson at her, I didn't think the female plastic surgeon was pissed as much as she was irritated by Christian.
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There was also Sean's mentor... that drunk who was doing transexual operations out of his appartment in season 1. He probably wasn't all that happy when Sean shut him down. Not that he really has the mental sharpness necessary to pull off the Carver.
But again, it all comes back to how the Carver would get his victims into McNamara/Troy. His attacks against Sean and Christian came in response to their interference with his work. It's pretty convoluted to think that he somehow started the attacks hoping Mc/Troy would fix the damage, so he could in turn terrorize them. So again, it makes the most sense that it will be someone who came to the series after the Carver attacks started.
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It's the last one (the access to the anesthesia in McNamara/Troy) that throws a monkey wrench into all our theories, it seems. :) And going by that list, the vast majority of them could apply to Matt as well (even though I'm reasonably sure it's not him, I think, maybe, uhhh, possibly).
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And that last part is an interesting point, Nathan: what if the Carver isn't working alone? What if there is more than one Carver, in a manner of speaking? We already know that Kimber isn't averse to same-sex relations, so the possibility that she and Liz are complicit in the Carver situation, stemming from a secret romantic affair is something for me to think about.
Whoa. Now there's something I'd not considered--I only got as far as thinking bribery (but then, Liz seems too honest to fall for that).
Thus far I've tried to keep my thinking down to a single Carver, since once you start postulating an accomplice it's too easy to slip into theorizing a conspiracy where every problem can be solved by adding another member. But if (and obviously that's a ginormous IF) the Carver is not Christian, Sean, Liz, or that new doc (Quentin right? My memory for names really does suck :P), then we almost HAVE to assume an accomplice, right? (http://cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/konfus/a015.gif)
And I don't think it's Matt--too obviously unstable. Same for the British lady cop. More likely it's someone who doesn't blatantly radiate "I DONE GONE COMPLETELY OFF THE DEEP END!" (http://cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/konfus/n065.gif)
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HOLY ****! Best ending ever!
I was half-expecting it to be Kimber. Psycho British cop would have been the last one on my list if I was making a guess.
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Great ending. Sorta adds fuel to the theory that the Carver is someone we know. Perhaps he/she went after Psycho British cop b/c of her treatment of Christian? :-\ Or perhpaps the Carver simply got pissed that the wrong person got credit and wanted to shut the whole thing down.
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Just adding some fuel to the Liz theory fire: Did anyone else catch how she simply walked in, did her anesthetic on the patient, and walked out, not saying a word when Sean and Quentin were doing surgery? And she had this "up to something" look on her face while she did it. Plus, when Christian returned to the office, her greeting/response seemed to be pretty stilted.
So, I guess at this point we can add "access to Troy semen" to the list of offenders, unless the British cop actually did plant the used condom. That would narrow it down to about 1000000 women in the Miami area, but for the purposes of the show, it would narrow it down to Kimber, the British cop, and Liz, all of whom have had access to the Troy baby batter in one way or another over the time period since the Carver surfaced.
I'm seriously leaning more and more toward a Liz-Kimber team right now, but I'm probably (definitely) wrong.
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I've been thinking... why would the Carver frame Christian for the murder, only to exonerate him the next day? What, he murdered the woman, planted the condom, and when he saw the news report that his scheme actually worked he goes out and attacks the cop who arrested the guy he was trying to frame??
That would lead me to conclude that the psycho British cop actually did plant the evidence. When the Carver saw the news report that Christian leaked, he got pissed and went out to get his due credit.
BTW, when they showed the flashbacks at the beginning of the show, they showed the scene where the Carver attacked the fraud. There's a good shot that clearly showed the Carver's physique. Unless they fudge it, he's clearly a tall man with a medium build. He was lean with a slight gut.
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I've been thinking... why would the Carver frame Christian for the murder, only to exonerate him the next day? What, he murdered the woman, planted the condom, and when he saw the news report that his scheme actually worked he goes out and attacks the cop who arrested the guy he was trying to frame??
That would lead me to conclude that the psycho British cop actually did plant the evidence. When the Carver saw the news report that Christian leaked, he got pissed and went out to get his due credit.
Good point. Perhaps someone DID try and frame Christian -- just not the Carver. As said before, it could be any number of people. Matt was pretty pissed at him for screwing the love of his life. It still wouldn't surprise me to find out that Julia was involved -- I still say that there is A LOT of anger there..............
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:o Shite! I totally did not see that ending coming!
When they said there was another victim, at first I suspected it was one of the characters we know: Kimber, Matt, etc. But Christian didn't hardly react when he entered the office, so I figured maybe it was just a stranger after all.
Wow! I guess that shoots down the idea of her being the Carver ... but then again it could be self-inflicted like she accused Christian of doing. Hey, she already had the plan worked out and it would explain how she was so quick to accuse him of doing it.
But Bill's and Tracy's point is well-taken ... most likely whoever planted the evidence was not the Carver.
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But Bill's and Tracy's point is well-taken ... most likely whoever planted the evidence was not the Carver.
I'm really torn on this point. If it wasn't the Carver or someone in league with him, are we to assume that the British cop did all this just to get back at Christian for his dumping her? I've heard of some jilted lover revenge plots that are pretty extreme before, but fictional embellishment aside, this would have taken a lot of work on her part. Plus, from a fictional standpoint, it would have gotten her expelled from her job (which she still may be); from a real-world standpoint, if she was responsible for framing Christian on her own, the character should not get any sympathy from the audience.
Even the worst characters (as far as morality goes) have had some redeeming quality, no matter how small. All we have seen from her is "ice cold bitch" and "psychotic revenge woman", so in my eyes, there is nothing to redeem her.
And come on, saving a condom for what had to be several weeks since their last sexual encounter? On the revenge side of things, that shows some pretty extensive premeditation and/or the fact that she is still with Kimber on the side; on the hygiene side of things, well, ICK. :P
I'm sticking with Liz on her own, or Liz with help from Kimber. Either way, I'm dying to know how it all turns out.
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I think the Psycho British Cop was so convinced that Christian was the Carver that she decided to cook up a little extra evidence. Like they said - cops do it all the time.
Or maybe she was bluffing to coax a confession out of him. Maybe the "mistake" she found at the crime scene wasn't the condom, though that it was was clearly implied. When she whips out the condom which supposedly implicates him, she hopes he'll panics thinking maybe he forgot to take it with him and spills the beans. It's a stretch... but maybe.
Hopefully they'll clear it up rather than hope everyone forgets about it.
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Christian's comment about the new recovery spa being run by a d y k e, a whore and a housewife in this weeks episode was hilarious and oh so true. I enjoyed this weeks episode. Things are becoming more complicated in every characters life again.
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Whoa! I guess that shoots down the whole Kimber-Liz theory! I just knew last week when the door opened in the bride's room that it was the Carver. When Sean went to get Christian I assumed it was because he found a mutilated/attacked Kimber. The fact that the Carver is holding Kimber and made her write the letter changes everything. It seems the Carver's problem is specifically with Christian. I would've thought Gina -- but she is way too tiny and too obvious. I'm still thinking Julia -- maybe she's got Kimber down in the basement of that old renovated building. She has been putting in a lot of time there lately............
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It's been a few weeks of plot-heavy episodes. Good stuff, but not all that shocking. But todays... man. Talk about some disturbing stuff.
Christian the tortured sadist. Matt the racist. Quentin setting up Julia for a big fall. A lot of stuff happened this week.
And you know, I had a strong suspicion that the Carver had something to do with Kimber's disappearance. The way the door opened while she was looking in the mirror... I was pretty sure I knew what was going on. Of course, I would have looked much smarter if I'd posted it last week. Now we gotta wonder if she's dead or just caged. I'm betting caged.
How'd she write out that note without getting any blood on it?
Next week's looks like a killer episode. Lots of gore. Lots of emotion. Rough stuff. I can't wait!
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And you know, I had a strong suspicion that the Carver had something to do with Kimber's disappearance. The way the door opened while she was looking in the mirror... I was pretty sure I knew what was going on. Of course, I would have looked much smarter if I'd posted it last week.
I know! Right before it came on I thought "I forgot to post my suspicions that the Carver was the one who opened the door at the Church" Oh well. Bill -- I thought the same thing about the blood too -- I half expected Christian to find a small amount on the letter.
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Whoa! I guess that shoots down the whole Kimber-Liz theory! I just knew last week when the door opened in the bride's room that it was the Carver. When Sean went to get Christian I assumed it was because he found a mutilated/attacked Kimber.
I thought the exact same thing. I don't know why, but I think that would have made a hell of an episode. Actually, I was thinking that she was going to come running down the aisle with her face bloody and slashed.
The fact that the Carver is holding Kimber and made her write the letter changes everything. It seems the Carver's problem is specifically with Christian. I would've thought Gina -- but she is way too tiny and too obvious. I'm still thinking Julia -- maybe she's got Kimber down in the basement of that old renovated building. She has been putting in a lot of time there lately............
But wasn't Julia at the wedding in the room with Christian when she was abducted? I don't know why but I still have a feeling that Quentin has something to do with all of this. The only other people missing from the wedding were Liz and Matt. But I don't think Matt is large enough from the shots we've seen of the carver so far.
I actually hope they just make it an unknown character instead of trying to bring some disgruntled person from the first or second season back as the carver. I also kinda wish they would just show us who it is already. I hate the fact that sometimes several episodes go by without anything shown about the carver.
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But wasn't Julia at the wedding in the room with Christian when she was abducted? I don't know why but I still have a feeling that Quentin has something to do with all of this. The only other people missing from the wedding were Liz and Matt.
I'm not sure of all the timing -- but Julia was with Christian before he went to the alter. Wasn't he already waiting at the alter when the door opened in the Bride's room and Kimber was abducted? Quentin may very well have something to do with it -- only because he's such a creep. Not sure about Matt though -- up until the last minute (and he met Ariel) he was supposed to be IN the wedding -- so he wouldn't have had the opportunity to snatch her. Liz is still viable. Though I kind of like the idea of it being and obscure patient from a previous season perhaps........
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Okay, I've been reading this thread and have a couple things to toss out there.
Last week at the end of the show Matt was with his new girlfriend stealing papers from the office. I doubt he went and snagged Kimber and then made it there to steal records.
I haven't thought up to this point that the Carver is Matt, Christian, Sean, Julia, Kimber or Gina. Until the British cop got carved I thought maybe her but, definitely not now. I don't think it's going to be some obscure person from one of the first 2 seasons that's been dealt with already like Bobolit or Sean's old mentor.
I like Quentin as the carver just because of how shady he is but that's such an obvious choice that I'd be surprised, but not shocked, if it turned out to be him.
But after all the reading I did in this thread and all the good points I see being made, there's one person that I've been thinking of for a while that you guys haven't named; Ava.
She's tall, strong and slim. She was married to a plastic surgeon and would probably know all about drugs and possibly even have access to them. She has a beef with both Christian and Sean now because of what they did to her.
Even though Sean did the last operation she needed, she disappeared without much of a trace...but we don't know that she actually left.
She'd have had access to business cards from McNamara/Troy and, again because of her former husband, might know her way around a knife...where she could and couldn't cut to do damage without killing.
Also there have been both male and female victims. Being a tranny would put her in the position of harboring hatred of both sexes.
So, there you have my thoughts on it. Hopefully we'll find out this season though.
And can I just say, the bag scene last night...pure genius. Never in a million years did I expect to see THAT on TV.
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SPOILER. >:(
I get on myspace this morning, and this SPOILER haunted the first page!
The Carver? (http://www.yoururl.comhttp://lads.myspace.com/promotions/05_12/MS-51201-20-NT-TD/matt.gif)
END SPOILER.
Damnit.
Kevin
The more I wonder if this is a "what if" scenereo generated by Myspace to create buzz?
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Thanks a lot Kevin :P
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I was right, they have gifs with alot of the cast as The Carver.
Fwew.
Kevin
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Good thing -- you were about to go from the nice list to the naught list :(
:)
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I hear the naughty list is even worse than the naught list. :-*
Kevin
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(http://lads.myspace.com/promotions/05_12/MS-51201-20-NT-TD/matt.gif) (http://lads.myspace.com/promotions/05_12/MS-51201-20-NT-TD/christian.gif) (http://lads.myspace.com/promotions/05_12/MS-51201-20-NT-TD/sean.gif) (http://lads.myspace.com/promotions/05_12/MS-51201-20-NT-TD/julia.gif) (http://lads.myspace.com/promotions/05_12/MS-51201-20-NT-TD/quentin.gif) (http://lads.myspace.com/promotions/05_12/MS-51201-20-NT-TD/liz.gif) (http://lads.myspace.com/promotions/05_12/MS-51201-20-NT-TD/kimber.gif)
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And Gina.
(http://lads.myspace.com/promotions/05_12/MS-51201-20-NT-TD/gina.gif)
:)
The Carver has a myspace. Check out the creepy video!
http://www.myspace.com/thecarver
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Very cool.
The Carver's photos show pretty clearly it's a man. ;)
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Was that messed up last night or what? :o
I about **** myself at the very end.
Kevin
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Was that messed up last night or what? :o
I about **** myself at the very end.
2x actually ;) -- when Julia put the pillow over her face (at first I thought it was out of mercy, but the more I think about it seems it was for purely selfish reasons on Julia's part) and when her mother showed up on the couch.
I'm glad Julia found whatever strength she felt she needed -- at least she was able to get rid of that ass Quentin (though according to the previews it won't be so easy to be rid of him >:().
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Yeah, I never pictured Julia as the murdering type. It was pretty ambiguous whether it was a mercy killing or malicious. And her "Oh my God, who did I kill" expression when she saw her mom just raises more questions.
SHE'S THE CARVER!!!! ;D
I loved the myspace/carver promo at the end. Funny stuff. It's pretty innovative to explore a non-traditional promotional avenue like that. 10 steps ahead of us, huh??
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Who apeared in the 10th episodes of the past seasons?
Kevin
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i don't like this show, i dunno why maybe the french version sucks
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This week's episode was decent. Nothing too stunning, but interesting.
But the promo for next week - Holy Crap!!
Was that Quentin all cut up on the bed with "I can't stop" written above him? I couldn't tell, it went by so fast. I know I'm gonna be glued to my set next Tuesday.
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Was that Quentin all cut up on the bed with "I can't stop" written above him? I couldn't tell, it went by so fast. I know I'm gonna be glued to my set next Tuesday.
I couldn't tell either. I thought it was but I'm not positive. Just 7 days!!!
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I checked it out in slow-mo on TiVo. I won't spoil it for anyone here, though.
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I can't wait for next week! Though, I can't help but wonder if Julia deciding to keep the baby has any relevance to the whole Carver thing? It seems too pat that she decides to keep it on Christmas Eve -- she'll probably loose it when she's attacked by the Carver next week -- or perhaps when they go to arrest her she resists............... :-\ It will be real interesting to see. I only hope they don't jerk us around too much and let us see who the Carver is.
P.S. Thanks for not spoiling it Bill
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How about a new contender in the Carver race... Mr. Alden or whatever his name is (Ariel's father)? It might be him, seeing as he seems to have some issues with humanity the way it is...
And I'll be glued to my TV next week as well. Can't wait.
I only hope they don't jerk us around too much and let us see who the Carver is.
Same here. Something tells me they will do just that. I think the Carver storyline is going to be running for a while yet. I don't know why, but I just do. They may find someone that they think is the Carver, and let everyone think that he's caught, just to have him pop back up in the middle of next season. Or maybe they could use a "copycat" next season. I never know what this show is going to throw at me.
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next week's spoiler - don't click if you don't want to know (http://perfect-lie.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=24&pos=0)
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I think I may just avoid this thread for the next 6 days just so I don't accidentally stumble upon something I don't want to...
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I think that's a good idea Bill - me too. I want to be surprised and I hate spoilers >:(
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I know I said I'm avoiding this thread, but I figured it was safe since tamidala was the only one to post after me, and I wanted to get this idea on the record so everyone will know how smart I am come Tuesday. ;-)
Maybe it's somebody we haven't seen, but who has been discussed extensively this season. How about Christian's FATHER??!!!
Think about it - the Carver is roughly the same height and weight as Christian. Genetics. And he's a serial rapist. Fits Christian's dad's profile perfectly!
So put that down as my prediction. The best part is that it could lead to one of the all-time greatest TV moments... The Carver leans over Christian, and in his electronically-altered voice tells him: "Christian... I am your father!!!"
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I don't know who they will reveal as the Carver, but Bruno Campos is definately the man playing the Carver.
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I can't wait to see the Carver finnaly revealed. >:(
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Tonight's the night! I like Eric's theory that its perhaps Ava -- she did seem to drop off of the face of the earth after last season. She has motive and plenty of opportunity -- and she's a pretty sick ticket -- she left her son to rot in their apartment after he impaled himself in front of her. I still wouldn't be surprised if its Julia. On one hand I will be shocked by the Carver's identity whomever he/she turns out to be -- but on the otherhand nothing this show does surprises me............ It will be real interesting to see!
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What time does it start tonight?
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Holy **** that was some intense TV...
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Niiiiiiiiice!!
Damn good show tonight. I never saw that twist coming.
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I'd say so...Wow.
The ending threw me for a loop.
Kevin
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I don't know why but I still have a feeling that Quentin has something to do with all of this.
Looks like I should have stuck with my original guess all along. Do you think we've seen the last of Dr. Costa and his sister, or will they be back in cameo appearances from time to time?
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I don't know who they will reveal as the Carver, but Bruno Campos is definately the man playing the Carver.
Told you.
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My money is on them coming back some time in the future. The ending had that whole "Silence of the Lambs" vibe to it.
Two seasons form now someone will be eating brains out of patients heads and it'll all be on again. ;D
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Now that it's over... (I posted right after Quentin got shot, before the twist).
OK - The Carver is dead on the floor. Nobody notices him still breathing? Unless that weird jacked was supposed to suppress his chest movement. Even so... Nostrils move. Eyes move. People usually don't die instantly from a torso shot. That was just a little bit sloppy.
But let's say he's a good actor. Or he pumped himself with tranquilizer. Even so... a coroner would take and process the body... put him in the body bag. He'd notice Quentin wasn't dead. Then when he walked out of the morgue... somebody would notice.
I know... it's nitpicky. It was a good, satisfying ending. I was hoping it was something deeper than just Quentin, but the circumstances around it really made it pay off. But for a series with such stellar writing, you'd think the end would be a little more plausible. I'm all for suspension of disbelief. But that was just a bit too much.
I wish there was more follow-up on the racist guy, too. Matt walked in at the end like he just got back from burying the body, but the dinner happened a while after the shooting. Did they call the cops? Hide his body? Maybe we'll find out next season. I hope this one's quicker to arrive than the last!
I hope I don't sound too negative. I actually loved it. It's just sitting down and thinking about it afterwards, you see the holes.
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The show has had some issues with continuity in the past. You don't really always know how much time has passed. You think it's only a couple days and it's been months or reversed; you think it's been months and it's like three days went by.
I'm sure the Matt thing will come up next season. Remember the whole hit-n-run storyline? That played out over a long time. I'm drawing a blank right now but there was another plot involving Matt that just went away and never came up again IIRC.
Almost like the writers got to a point and were like "oops, we can't do that, quick, no one mention it again and that'll fix the glitch."
Still, nip/tuck, one of the best shows ever.
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Holy ****! :o That was intense. You never know what this show is going to throw at you. How is Matt's tranny friend going to explain his castration? He obviously had to go to the hospital -- and will need further surgery.
The ending definately had a Silence of the Lambs feel for me too. I think that we have not seen the last of them.........
With everything else that happened in the last 30 minutes, the cliffhanger of "What's wrong with Julia's baby?" seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle. Can't wait until next season.
BTW -- did anyone see the promo for Rescue Me? I can't believe we have to wait until June for new episodes >:(
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Has the footage of Matt and his Tranny friend been shown before tonight? I had one of the biggest cases of Deja vu I have ever had when I saw that. I KNOW I have seen that scene at some point, and I think it was a while ago. When it came on I seriously felt like I had seen the episode, obviously I hadn't though, and not seen it within the last week but it felt like something I had seen months ago, cause I knew what was going to happen before it started. Maybe it was on Conan or something.
I really enjoyed tonights episode. I really got the feally the cop was Quentin's sister. Right when she was talking about his history, you could kinda read into it from her performance.
Excellent episdoe though, I thoroughly enjoyed it, and I may have to go pick up the DVDs at some point to catch up on what I've missed. :)
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Now that it's over... (I posted right after Quentin got shot, before the twist).
OK - The Carver is dead on the floor. Nobody notices him still breathing? Unless that weird jacked was supposed to suppress his chest movement. Even so... Nostrils move. Eyes move. People usually don't die instantly from a torso shot. That was just a little bit sloppy.
But let's say he's a good actor. Or he pumped himself with tranquilizer. Even so... a coroner would take and process the body... put him in the body bag. He'd notice Quentin wasn't dead. Then when he walked out of the morgue... somebody would notice.
Not if Kit pronounced him.
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Kit wasn't a medical doctor or a coroner. So she wouldn't do that.
Has the footage of Matt and his Tranny friend been shown before tonight?
The shot of her holding the gun was in the promo after last week's episode. It was a really quick shot (so quick I though it was the nazi girlfriend holding the gun), but maybe that's what you remember?
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Kit wasn't a medical doctor or a coroner. So she wouldn't do that.
Still, she probably had something to do with the ease of his removal.
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With everything else that happened in the last 30 minutes, the cliffhanger of "What's wrong with Julia's baby?" seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle. Can't wait until next season.
BTW -- did anyone see the promo for Rescue Me? I can't believe we have to wait until June for new episodes >:(
The baby problem kind of got lost, but looks like the thread that will tie next season together.
And yes, I saw the promo for Rescue Me and it's killing me we have to wait till June. But, we have The Shield coming in a couple weeks so that'll hold us over. And I think that new show Thief with Andre Braugher (SP?) looks interesting.
As for last night's episode, when they came back from the break at 11 there was a shot of different people removing the Carver mask and the last one to do it was Christian. And then he got this odd smile on his face like he knew something we didn't...I sat there for a minute and was thinking oh, ****, it's going to be Christian.
Anyone else catch that?
Oh, and I have a question; When did Gina get carved? Did I miss that somewhere? When did that happen?
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Oh, and I have a question; When did Gina get carved? Did I miss that somewhere? When did that happen?
It didn't show her getting carved -- it only showed her laying on the bed carved up when Sean came in to check on Quentin. I guess when Gina showed up Quentin carved her too.
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Kit wasn't a medical doctor or a coroner. So she wouldn't do that.
Has the footage of Matt and his Tranny friend been shown before tonight?
The shot of her holding the gun was in the promo after last week's episode. It was a really quick shot (so quick I though it was the nazi girlfriend holding the gun), but maybe that's what you remember?
Nope I definately remembered the whole scene. It must have been on Conan or something at somepoint, because I missed the promo last week, I changed the channel after the show was over and before it came on.
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I don't know who they will reveal as the Carver, but Bruno Campos is definately the man playing the Carver.
I said, I WAS RIGHT! :P
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I don't know who they will reveal as the Carver, but Bruno Campos is definately the man playing the Carver.
I said, I WAS RIGHT! :P
We saw the first time.
Have a cookie.
Kevin
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YaaaaaaaaY! Cookie!