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Title: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 9, 2005, 03:50 PM
I've now bought 4 Agen Kolar figures for the robes, which I love, and put them on Sae Sae Tiin, Kit Fisto, and this morning I bought the Mace Windu figure to round out the 4 that confront Palpatine in his office, all in robes.  I have never been this disappointed with a Star Wars figure before. 

The Mace figure is way way too short.  He looks like he's about 5' compared to the other figures.  Everyone's taller than him.  The arms are too long, and the legs too short.   It kinda looks like some sorta stunted gorilla or something that should be hanging from a branch.

What a total piece of ****.
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: MetalJedi on April 9, 2005, 03:55 PM
I saw this as well. I'll probably pick him up on clearance.
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: Diddly on April 9, 2005, 04:10 PM
I'm tempted to get one just for a purple lightsaber, as I passed on the Geonosis Battle Mace too. I'll give the lightsaber to the Episode 1 Mace, which is the best Mace we've gotten, IMO.
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: SilverZ on April 9, 2005, 04:11 PM
Yep, that was my reaction to him as well. He is utterly useless, and even worse when compared to the other new Jedi figures, seeing that they are all the best versions of their characters to date. How they could misfire so badly with a character that is 1) popular, 2) pivotal to the ROTS plot, and 3) at least the sixth version of the figure is beyond me.

We'd better see a Collection 2 apology Mace in the future.  >:(

Oh, I forgot though, Hasbro says these are called ACTION FIGURES, not stand-around-and-look-good figures. Who cares if he is short with monkey arms? He can spin off some blue plastic bolts into the air! Kids love it!
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: Jim on April 9, 2005, 04:13 PM
I couldnt agree more.  Seeing we got two lame versions of this fig from the SAGA line, I thought Hasbro would redeem themselves.  Especially since some of the the new Jedi are just incredible figs.  
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: Ben on April 9, 2005, 06:52 PM
I still think Sneak Preview Mace is the best incarnation of the character ever. It's sad when a seven year old figure is still the best one after however many variations there are for Mace.
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: CorranHorn on April 9, 2005, 07:38 PM
I haven't bought ol Mace yet either, but the first thing I was bothered with was the flimsy articulation at the elbows. Those damn arms will go swinging in every direction, but will never hold still. It's so sad that they cant get such a key character correct after doing so SIX years ago.
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: MetalJedi on April 9, 2005, 09:10 PM
I like the Sneak Preview one the best. And the one that came in the Jedi Council set a close second.
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: Darby on April 9, 2005, 10:13 PM
I actually like him.  He can be better, but he's miles ahead of all other Maces, save for the Sneak Peek one.  I put the Agen Kolar robes on him and he looks very cool.
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 9, 2005, 11:28 PM
I actually like him.  He can be better, but he's miles ahead of all other Maces, save for the Sneak Peek one.  I put the Agen Kolar robes on him and he looks very cool.

He looks stunted with rickets.
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: Jedi Idej on April 10, 2005, 12:41 AM
Indeed an awful figure. His mouth juts out like he's wearing a mouthpiece. And his fricken arms swing too freely. (I know... part of the action feature. Humbug!)
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: CHEWIE on April 10, 2005, 12:55 AM
Dressel - if you are into customizing, do what I did (or send me the parts and I'll do it for you).

Get the Agen Kolar figure, pop off his head and drill a bit into the neck area and add the Mace Windu head from the Jedi Council Screen Scene.  Then cut the "skirt" a bit -

(http://kevvo.250free.com/MaceWindu.jpg)

Only takes about 5 minutes to do, and looks pretty good in my opinion.

 :P
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: Nicklab on April 10, 2005, 01:11 AM
Putting things in perspective, this Mace Windu is certainly better than some of the Mace Windu figures that have been offered in the past.

-The EPISODE I Preview figure is okay, but the robe has nowhere near the volume and weight that it should along with the wrong lightsaber. 

-The EPISODE I basic figure still has the wrong lightsaber as well as that horrendous "Choc-Obi-Wan" style cloak, but it's a good, neutral Mace sans robe.

-The SAGA Deluxe and Basic figures were not up to the challenge.  They had too many action features, nothing approaching neutral poses, poor articulation, and gritted teeth that looked more like he had just come from a set at Hah-Hah's in Cleveland.

-The Clone Wars (movie look) Mace Windu was a valiant attempt, but once again the face was all wrong.

-The Mace Windu from the first Jedi Council Screen Scene is one of the few that can really give the ROTS Mace a run for it's money.  It has good articulation, soft goods and a decent likeness.  But no cloak and no lightsaber.

-ROTS Mace Windu from the Battle Arena is not all that impressive, either.  He's got one leg that's completely preposed, and one that only moves at the hip.  The articulation in the arms is very minimal, and once again he has the gritted teeth.  How difficult is it to make a Mace Windu figure, seriously?
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: CHEWIE on April 10, 2005, 01:26 AM
I don't know why they have such a hard time with this.  That's why I'm glad to be a customizer.

Someday they will give us a great version... they really missed the boat with ROTS... they could have made a great version but I guess they figure they can keep pumping out these so-so versions and people will keep buying them... same thing with ROTS Anakin and Obi Wan.

 :P
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: Newman on April 10, 2005, 01:28 AM
I couldn't agree more.  The ROTS Mace Windu is horrible.  I took one look at him and said to myself "Why Hasbro Why?"  If you can make all the other Jedi kick as much ass as they do then why can't you get a decent Mace out? I pray that we will see a new and improved Mace later this year.
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: Ben on April 10, 2005, 01:41 AM
I agree, they can't manage to get decent Mace, Obi-Wan, or Anakin figures out. Either they have goofy expressions or action features. There really seems to be no Agen Kolar treatment for these guys, from either AOTC or ROTS.
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: Diddly on April 10, 2005, 02:37 AM
I was just thinking about it now, and they can't get Yoda right either. There's always some sort of flaw with Yoda, as well as Mace.

Does Hasbro have something against the two most powerful Jedi or something?
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: Jesse James on April 10, 2005, 03:28 AM
Bought Mace opening day...  The concept is great, the execution didn't live up though.  Mine's limbs are wobbly over time, which sucks.  His shoulders do protrude awkwardly.  His skin tone is goofy the more I look at it, as is his expression.  I just don't see Sam Jackson there.

His legs have no real articulation (softgoods and bendable knees, regardless of a feature, would've helped), and ultimately I'd agree with the notion he's short as well...  with no neck seemingly.

I would, and this is sad but true, still rank him superior to every Jedi from Saga's initial release.  He's better than Shaak Ti, Luminara, Plo, Sae See, Kit Fisto, etc...  All from Saga.  He's an abysmal failure compared to any Collection 2 Jedi from ROTS though.

I'd love to see a Col. 2 Mace done utilizing mostly just parts from Kolar, or whatever.  Save a buck and reuse some parts Hasbro, that's fine, but just deliver a better ROTS Mace.  Hell deliver a single GOOD Mace.  That would be amazing in and of itself since he's yet to get a truly great figure.
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: Nicklab on April 10, 2005, 09:37 AM
I understand why there's no knee articulation on this Mace.  And it's because of the action feature.  When you have to squeeze a figure's legs together to get the arms to move, that's when you wind up with a problem.  Oh well.  Better luck next time, Hasbro.
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 10, 2005, 10:07 AM
I understand why there's no knee articulation on this Mace.  And it's because of the action feature. 

That, plus the leg is only half as long as it should have been.  This thing is a stunted little monkey.
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: Nicklab on April 10, 2005, 10:13 AM
I understand why there's no knee articulation on this Mace.  And it's because of the action feature. 

That, plus the leg is only half as long as it should have been.  This thing is a stunted little monkey.

Even though the comment is borderline racist, try standing this figure next to some of it's ROTS linemates.  Standing him next to Anakin, he was just about the same height.  Is he out of proportion?  Possibly.
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: CHEWIE on April 10, 2005, 10:30 AM
I don't think our good friend Dressel was being racist.  I think he's referring to the how short the figure is, and the almost ape-like stance Hasbro put him in.  Add to it the fact that face almost looks like he's making a monkey expression.

Guys, just turn an Agen Kolar into Mace Windu.  It's simple and effective. 

 :P
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 10, 2005, 12:08 PM


Even though the comment is borderline racist

Ha ha!  That never even entered my mind when I wrote it.  The long arms, short legs prompted my comments.  Looks like you're the only weirdo to come up with that one!
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: SilverZ on April 10, 2005, 04:03 PM
I understand why there's no knee articulation on this Mace.  And it's because of the action feature.  When you have to squeeze a figure's legs together to get the arms to move, that's when you wind up with a problem.

I'd accept that reasoning -- except that the #6 clone uses the same type of action feature mechanism, and has perfectly working knee articulation. Mace even has a tunic to hide the wide hips the Clone suffers from to accomodate the feature. It is just a **** figure without an excuse in the world for its lameness.
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: Jesse James on April 10, 2005, 10:57 PM
I was just reading through and thought the same thought Jared.  The knee articulation wouldn't hinder the feature at all, especially since pressing the hips (or the point of the articulation) would negate any possibility of knees having a negative effect on the action feature working.

The knees would've only helped him slightly had they been articulated though.  His "short comings" beyond his height are a bit too much to be counter-balanced by the thought of his knees being more poseable.  It would've been nice though.  I'm not so sure my opinion of the headsculpt is as bad as at first, I dunno.  SOmething about it is off but something seems right too...  The skin tone's definitely different though, and I just noticed his head is kinda oblong and weirdly shaped because of the ball/socket joint. 

Oh well, I'm jonesin' for a new Mace figure somewhere down the road that is simply a nicely articulated figure, maybe with Agen Kolar robes, but at this point I'd take a cloth robe if it was made like Ki Adi Mundi's robe is.
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: SilverZ on April 11, 2005, 12:30 AM
I was looking at the making of book again today (which is just the coolest) and during Mace's critical scene he is still robed, which makes me believe he needs a nice cloth robe more than ever. They built an action feature into the figure that is scene-specific, yet the figure itself isn't representative of that scene. Bleh.

It is just a complete shame that the core Jedi all have been chumped up in Collection 2. There's not one solid Anakin, Obi, Mace, or Yoda to be found. I'll be curious to see if the upcoming Pilot Obi and Evo Anakin address that issue, but I hope we don't wait too long to get around to a C2 Mace and Yoda.
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: Brian on April 11, 2005, 01:19 PM
I agree with what many of you have said.  While going through and "setting up" the figures on the shelf this weekend, the ROTS Mace really disappoints....yet again for this character.  While I do think it is better than pretty much all other versions (aside from the Preview and possibly Jedi Council one), it still is pretty craptastic.  I noticed the height issue as well, and the shoulders just bother me for some reason.  It is especially frustrating looking at how amazing virtually every other Jedi was done in this line, aside from the major ones...Obi, Anakin, and Mace Windu.  Like it was mentioned, hopefully the Pilot Obi and Evolutions Anakin fill the void for these characters, and maybe Hasbro will finally make that ultimate Mace we've been waiting for as well.
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: Morgbug on April 11, 2005, 01:58 PM
Any way to pop off his head and put it on a taller, earlier figure?  The head/face sculpt is fairly neutral and inoffensive, relative to some earlier incarnations. 

I still laugh at the action feature on this.  I'll admit to not having done height comparisons either, but I'll take everyone's word on it.  Maybe he's shrinking with age?  Maybe Mace is the bad apple and the dark side is diminishing his stature, similar to Palpatine ;)
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: Jim on April 11, 2005, 02:31 PM
Looks good Chewie.  My thoughts are that we should not have to customize one of the most popular characters in the prequels. ??? 
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: CHEWIE on April 11, 2005, 03:00 PM
Thanks Rebeltrader.

I agree, customizing shouldn't be necessary... but is sure is fun.   :)

 :P
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: Mister Skeezler on April 11, 2005, 04:56 PM
CHEWIE, that Mace is awesome! Looks like I've got to pick up an extra Kolar and get myself a Mace Windu head...that custom is too good not to duplicate!  :o :o
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: CHEWIE on April 11, 2005, 05:08 PM
Thanks Lando.  As always, you're the man.   ;)

I used the head from the Jedi Council Screen Scene.  To me that's the best one.

 :P

Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: Scott on April 11, 2005, 05:09 PM
Any way to pop off his head and put it on a taller, earlier figure?  The head/face sculpt is fairly neutral and inoffensive, relative to some earlier incarnations. 
The head is on a ball, the first of its kind for Mace I believe.  I have not checked the other male Jedi but I don't think it will work too hot
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: cCc2021 on April 12, 2005, 12:50 AM
I still think Sneak Preview Mace is the best incarnation of the character ever. It's sad when a seven year old figure is still the best one after however many variations there are for Mace.

I agree 100% on that one. I just dont understand why they cant get it right!

cCc
Title: Re: Mace Windu is a total piece of **** figure
Post by: Nicklab on April 12, 2005, 09:35 AM
Any way to pop off his head and put it on a taller, earlier figure?  The head/face sculpt is fairly neutral and inoffensive, relative to some earlier incarnations. 
The head is on a ball, the first of its kind for Mace I believe.  I have not checked the other male Jedi but I don't think it will work too hot

I think the Clone Wars Mace Windu has a ball jointed head.  You might want to check that out, but then you have to live with the strange expression on his face.