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Collectibles => Past Hasbro 3.75" Lines => Saga '02-'04 => Topic started by: Jesse James on October 30, 2003, 06:13 PM
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Well, here he is...
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/10-03/swcardhothtrooper.jpg)
And I have to say I'm pretty disappointed... This isn't much of an army builder given what Hasbro's completely capable of at this stage of the game.
-The rifle, obviously, will be a gummy plastic and bent much like the Endor soldier's rifles....
-The torso may very well be a reused POTF2 body judging by how broad shouldered it appears... Not a sharp looking job there if it's a new sculpt.
-The headsculpt's mediocre... It's a generic rebel trooper with his goggles up which is nice in a way, but it's not the swiftest looking sculpt either.
-The bowed legs are a big let down for any army builder... If you're not going to articulate them, at least don't make them spread apart like that. Not to mention they appear to be very awkwardly unproportionate just as the POTF2 figure's were (Too skinny, etc...)
-And the final, and to me the most disappointing aspect of this figure, is the articulation... A basic 6 point figure? Sheesh... :( Why no arm articulation to hold his blaster rifle properly?
This guy's really nothing special right now... his only redeeming feature is the skirt piece with a holster (Which MAY be functional). If that's the case, that's good, but right now there's too much "bad" circling this figure than good.
A nice posable army builder is what we should've gotten for this, a figure who desperately needed resculpting from the POTF2 days. Much like the Snowtrooper, I think the Hoth Rebel Soldier still is in need of yet another resculpt, even after this Saga figure... Nice poseable versions of both army builders would be very welcome to me, and I'm sure many other collectors.
Unfortunately, this is a dark spot on the recent photos we got from Hasbro that were pretty sharp. It was expected with this figure for me, but I really am disappointed that this one got the shaft from Hasbro... I know I'd have bought a ton of this figure if it were worth it... Now I'll just nab the "one" for my collection I guess. :(
A truly wasted opportunity I think, on Hasbro's part.
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Well Jesse, I have to agree, even though I DO feel he's an improvement on the POTF2 version. The skirt piece and the better sculpting detail on the head pieces, when you figure in my absolute loathing of the original carded and deluxe versions, makes it passable to me. He'll fit in the background but he won't be an army builder for me.
By no means is it the leaps and bounds it SHOULD be. When put side by side to the new Hoth Luke and Riekeen, I'm betting it doesn't even come close to their quality. It stinks of an afterthought, kit-bashed figure ala the lower points of POTJ, made to fill out the new theme-based wave idea. His pose is also eerily similar to the POTF2's. Those are some macho action stanced legs there. :)
I'm also increasingly bummed out by the apparent adandonment of the themed bases on most incidental characters. I want my troopers with snow bases, dammit!
J
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Wow, I can't believe he's already out! It definitely an improvement, but the body itself is exactly the same sculpt as the POTF2 version. I really wish they would have made an army-building type of figure, but it'll take more than one try to get it right I guess.
What a disappointment, but since I'm a sucker I'm sure I'll end up buying it.
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Oh I agree with that indeed. The skirtpiece and headsculpt are a little addition that make it a LITTLE better than the POTF2 figures (Though I rather liked the Deluxe Hoth Rebel for what it was at the time), but the severe lack of articulation on this figure is pretty bogus.
I mean, how much action did we see outta those Rebel Echo Base troops? Tons, and that just ruins this figure that he can't be posed in tons of action poses. Army builders deserve that extra umph to make them fun to buy tons of. This figure just got the shaft from Hasbro it seems. :(
I like the comment that it seems almost like it was an afterthought figure... Or possibly was created a LONG time ago, possibly when we first saw this and the Snowtrooper show up on lists a couple years ago?
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I'm sure I'll still buy 1 or 2, but if this were fully articulated able to hold the rifle with 2 hands, and maybe with a couple different head sculpts I'd have bought close to 15 of these. We need something good for the AT-ATs to mow down, right? Even so, he's a little better than the POTF2 trooper, but not by much at all. At least he's beardless and a little more generic with a nifty little skirt.
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I'll reserve my judgements of this figure until I have a hardcopy in hand. It seems premature, in my opinion, to critique a figure that nobody has in hand at this time. Photos can only tell you so much.
I've seen the figure in Chicago first hand, and the sculpt looks pretty good. It looks like a decent step forward from the POTF2 version. I wasn't able to see what points of articulation there were, but Hasbro has done a fairly decent job of camoflaging those points in recent years.
One interesting sidenote: the face of this Hoth Rebel Trooper appears to be slightly similar to that of a Hasbro design team member. This seems to be something of a trend/inside joke that's been going on. The first time was with both of the SAGA Endor Rebel Soldiers. Both of them resemble two members of the Hasbro-Star Wars team. A more recent instance is the human Jedi in the Clone Wars 3-pack who resembles a long time designer at Hasbro. Now, this one resembles one of the panelists who gave part of the Star Wars roundtable discussion at Wizard World in Chicago. It's kind of funny, because if you've ever met these guys you'd see the resemblance pretty quickly.
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I like it, and I want to see a new AT-AT to mow these guys down. Of course, I could just use the two I have, I guess.
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Yeah, but wouldn't you like to have all 5 AT-AT's?
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Are up over at GH
(http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/1937-tn-03hanhothbrown_cd1.jpg) (http://www.galactichunter.com/toy_images/03hanhothbrown_cd1.jpg)Hoth Han
(http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/1938-tn-achk_cd1.jpg) (http://www.galactichunter.com/toy_images/achk_cd1.jpg)Achk Med-Beq
(http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/1938-tn-r3po_cd1.jpg) (http://www.galactichunter.com/toy_images/r3po_cd1.jpg)R-3PO
(http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/1938-tn-03hothluke_cd1.jpg) (http://www.galactichunter.com/toy_images/03hothluke_cd1.jpg)Luke Hoth
(http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/1938-tn-vanee_cd1.jpg) (http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/1938-tn-vanee_cd1.jpg) Dignitary #2
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(http://red6.home.insightbb.com/Aliens/Droids/TC-6.jpg)
TC-6 from TPM...
(http://www.sirstevesguide.com/photo/data/760/2r3po1.jpg)
R-3PO???
At least they got the detailing right
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Funny bit of Photoshop on R3. These all look good. Ack Med looks like he has a black eye? Didn't notice it before. Luke looks fantastic.
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That Red protocol droid is indeed at Hoth... :) Check the hangar scenes.
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That Red protocol droid is indeed at Hoth... :) Check the hangar scenes.
Indeed it is. But the droid is a photo-chopped TC-6, not R-3PO. R-3PO doesn't have the silver highlights if memory serves me right. ;)
The figures look good. I can't wait to get them.
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As soon as I saw that Brown-coated Han, I knew you'd be bursting at the seams, Scott! :D
Looks like I'll have to buy 2 R-3POs. Or maybe as many as I can find. These are some great figures!
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Oh...I know R-3PO is there but I guess it would have made more sense to me to call this TC-6 and given us something else for the Hoth wave...Echo Base Trooper and Major Bren Derlin or Torryn Farr or or or...
And I like the Han, the coat is a tad too light on the brown side but it works for me!
I need to get Jesse and Josh to autograph the ad for me and I was going to make a display of it somehow
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I really like the looks of this wave, and the beginning of the great offerings for the next year. I personally think the Luke Hoth looks really good, and the rest of the wave is nice too. I think that the idea of themed waves is great, hopefully it keeps up, at least until Episode III hits. I just hope that we are able to find/get these figures in the stores. It has been better lately, but I still worry a little :). I guess I should have, or still should, just preorder these and quit worrying :).
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I like this wave alot, but i was wondering they say they are going to re-card the Luke Skywalker (Throne Room Duel), Darth Vader (Throne Room Duel), on what? They are already on this card.
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BTW I still think the Hoth Han's a craptastic figure no matter what color his coat is. :)
And ok, now I see what you guys meant about R-3PO... I thought you didn't know he was at Hoth, but I should've known better...
That is a sweeeeet protocol droid, and indeed buying a handful may be worth it. Best proto droid sculpt ever I think.
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It just keeps getting better. I'm seriously running out of room now and will have to resort to a takeover of the empty bedroom when all these figures start hitting the shelves next year. (It is next year, right??)
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The end of 12/03 early 1/04 , but yea, i might have to resort to opening my figures, i am getting smashed with all my figures, i have no space, NO SPACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Are up over at GH
(http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/1937-tn-03hanhothbrown_cd1.jpg) (http://www.galactichunter.com/toy_images/03hanhothbrown_cd1.jpg)(http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/1938-tn-achk_cd1.jpg) (http://www.galactichunter.com/toy_images/achk_cd1.jpg)(http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/1938-tn-r3po_cd1.jpg) (http://www.galactichunter.com/toy_images/r3po_cd1.jpg)(http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/1938-tn-03hothluke_cd1.jpg) (http://www.galactichunter.com/toy_images/03hothluke_cd1.jpg)(http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/1938-tn-vanee_cd1.jpg) (http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/1938-tn-vanee_cd1.jpg)
More carded goodness! I like them all. Is that a new 3PO mold, at least the arm(s)? Glad I never went about trying to make a custom R-3PO now! Nice detail on the the human faces, the scarring and damage on Luke, and the tattoo looking thing on Ahmad. I could've gone for a slightly darker brown on Han's coat as well, but just the fact that Hasbro made two different colors for the collectors is flat out awesome! The Imperial Dignitary looks nice, but I still want the tall version that we had in the vintage line.
These guys should be showing up pretty soon now. Can't wait to add them to the collection! I'm anxious to hook up the Luke and Wampa cave pieces as well. That's one of Hasbro's best ideas ever, and one that sounds like something us collectors have been asking for all along - interconnecting playset pieces sold seperately. Nice!
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I am definitely going to attempt the get all these. I don't really have a burning desire to acquire Ahmed Best's character but most likely I'd snatch him up if he was on the pegs. I actually really like the Han Hoth figure no matter what color it is :)
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I'm definitely getting one of each and maybe 2 of R-3PO and Achk Med for customizing. ;D
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When this guy was first rumored, I got that sense of impending doom. Ever since Endor Han in the Saga line, I've learned to be careful what I wish for, cuz I just might get it.
Every time I see a figure that I've wanted or a resculpt that is coming, I imagine in my head what it SHOULD be, which is usually what most of you guys want too, Articulation, good sculpt, Accessories and weapons in the proper scale.....
But since the Clone 3 Packs came out, I get nervous now when I see a good Army Builder on a Rumor list....I fear the Dynamic Action Pose, the Inability to Hold his weapon in both hands (if it is indeed a 2 handed weapon), and a Uniqueness that would make him standout in an Army instead of blend in.
Sadly for us, the New Hoth Rebel, fails 2 parts of my 3 part test.
This makes Complete Failures in the Saga Line for 2 of the 3 Rebel troops. (unlike Jesse, I can Forgive the Rebel Fleet Trooper's short comings and I AM aware that they were only RE-packaged in Saga from POTJ)
I do have a question on the figure though, is that Pistol Removable from the holster? That would be a bonus if the pistol is a good sculpt and not gummi-plastic.
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I order Hoth Luke and R3PO from OMGCFO.com and got them this last weekend. Luke is a great figure, but the goggles he comes with absolutely SUCK. I sort of wish his face was a running variant sort of thing too with a scratched and non scracthed version... Nice figure
R-3PO is also nice, I am not a huge fan of Hasbro's change in Protocol droids finish. Used to be the vac-metal type of this and now it seems to be flat molded plastic which looks dull (the new Escape Pod 3PO has this same pisspoor quality) I love the new molding though
This wave seems to be hitting all over the country, keep them eyes peeled
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Well I've gotten the Hoth Luke and Hoth Trooper from this wave just the other day (btw is the 2nd Imperial Dignitary and Ack-Mehd Beq also part of this wave? I got them alongside the Hoth figs). And Jesse's concerns about the Hoth Trooper are well founded, the lack of articulation for an army builder is sad, what could have made up for it was a more action-oriented pose. The only real pose he can have with his rifle is sticking out in an awkward position that no infantry personnel would use in firing his large weapon. The sculpt could be a bit better, it's a stocky guy and it does reek of POTF2 which in this case isn't a good thing. He does fit nicely as a background trooper in my Hoth display and I'd probably buy a 2nd one if the paint job isn't as shoddy as on the particular figure I bought. BTW The holster is NOT functional, the blaster is sculpted onto it. :(
Onto the Hoth Luke, this is a nicely sculpted figure that should have been used as the basis for the Hoth Trooper, but I'm intrigued on the choice of articulation when I compare it to Ack-Mehd Beq. The articulation given to this Luke is ok for what is intended, Luke hanging upside down in the Wampa cave. He has ball socket shoulders and an interesting secondary neck articulation point that allows Luke to look up and down. But why does a figure of a tertiary character who got about 2 seconds of screen time get 14 pts of articulation when the main character of the Original Trilogy who has a figure in the same wave have half the amount of articulation? It's just mind boggling. And the paint job on the accessories of the Luke are spotty and flaky just like on the Hoth Trooper. I hope thats not a trend of shoddy painting for the future. Oh yeah, the holster that comes with Luke is not usable, it has no gun in it, but it couldnt hold a gun either.
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I found most of this wave, though I still lack Luke and R-3PO. I found the recarded Hoth Han, but it was a blue coat version. Damnation.
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I was able to pick up an R-3PO, the 2nd Dignitary, and also an Ultra Rieekan this past weekend. I was happy to find them, but was really hoping to pick up the Hoth Luke and the Ultra Wampa. These figures seem to be pretty hot right now, but at least they are shipping to a lot of places...and many people aren't in the 2003 rut as badly anymore. I also saw the Ack Mehd Beck figure (or whatever it is named) alongside the R-3PO and Dignitary, I think they all ship together, although I'm not 100% sure.
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I've found them all now, except:
Wampa
Ach Med Beq
2nd Dignitary
The Hoth wave is truly a mix of ups and downs... The luke's a great figure, but the lack of a working holster, the goggles, and some other things kind of bring him down a notch. Still a great figure, just could've been a LOT better with some little tweakings here and there. (Scott mentioned a running change with a "Clean" heasculpt which would've been nice too).
The Hoth Trooper though, is a terrible figure. He's everything I felt he would be from early shots, so I'm thorougly disappointed in him. He lacks everything an army builder should have... Articulation is weak, pose is awkward, he's extremely short for some reason, and his face has a sort of dumbfounded look, and his holster doesn't work. These things truly kick this figure down a lot of notches.
I hope he sees a super articulated resculpt someday, because I'm finding the Hoth uniform hides articulation quite well in all the folds and wrinkles. Then again I think Hasbro's pretty good at hiding all articulation in any uniform anymore. Even Aalya Secura's bare-shoulders are a sort of hidden joint suprisingly.
R-3PO is a great sculpt, and while some are saying he's reused partly from the Deluxe 3PO last year, I don't believe them to be correct. He's got a much crisper detail to him, or at least mine do, and I am noticing very VERY slight differences. The main one being the electronic/wiring of the torso is noticeably different than C-3PO's was. It's longer/larger.
Reuse of parts or not though, it's a great figure from top to bottom, if not maybe a little dull. His only flaws to me are articulation and the lack of a decent accessory. The stand's dull, but a Hoth equipment box, or a piece of console, or even a Hoth-specific base would've been better.
Good figure though, and looks neat with K-3PO.
The others I'd picked up earlier... now I just need those variation figures, and the Wampa, and I'll be set. Should be fun tracking those down. ugh...
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I hope my buddy will find these quick.
as my Hoth Diorama can't live without these ;)
Nice review :)
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I received an R-3PO. Again, not one of t hose figures that you really even see in the move. It does have nice details, but would it be too hard to give any protocol droid some articulation?
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I passed up the R-3PO for Wampa, Riekaan, Luke Hoth, R2D2 barkeep, and the 12 inch $12.12 Leia on her speederbike. Not that I did not want R-3PO just did not have the money for a red protocol droid last night.
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I've only found the R-3PO and Riekaan figures thus far from the "Hoth" theme (really hoping to find Luke and the Wampa soon), but I saw this picture this morning of the wave standing together....and I was on the fence before about the Hoth Trooper, but I think this clinches it for me not getting it....he really is short, isn't he? (Pic courtesy of http://starwars.carrotnetwork.com)
(http://starwars.carrotnetwork.com/reviews/2004/hothtrooper/13.jpg)