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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: The Official Bad Movie Thread
« on: May 28, 2004, 10:49 PM »
Short Circuit was nominated, but it was decided that when it was released, Ally Sheedy was hot enough to merit it acceptable.
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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: The Official Bad Movie Thread
« on: May 27, 2004, 04:22 PM »
Okay...
First, 'Gigli' is definitely going on. As I mentioned, it needs some fresh stuff and that is a major keeper! Nice Scott!
As far as the others go, to each their own. 'Father of the Bride' is definitely an acquired taste, but just not good enough. 'Island of Doctor Moreau' has good actors and some good effects and make-up, but that doesn't mean it's a good movie. The Mummy is entertaining, but cliche and hard to take unless you are watching it on cable. Some of these are bad theater movies, but great for cable movies.
Vator, I liked Independence Day as well and for some reason I'm not seeing it on the list. So, I can't comment other than I also agree, if it is on the list, that it is good enough to have it removed.
Howard the Duck is a cult movie and a comic movie. While it may suck, it has enough redeeming qualities and closet fans that it will stay off.
I forgot to mention that these have to be movies that more than one person has seen in order to verify the suckiness. So unfortunately, I cannot agree with 'Party Monster' SPIDERLEGS, and I hope to never be able to verify that it is bad...
First, 'Gigli' is definitely going on. As I mentioned, it needs some fresh stuff and that is a major keeper! Nice Scott!
As far as the others go, to each their own. 'Father of the Bride' is definitely an acquired taste, but just not good enough. 'Island of Doctor Moreau' has good actors and some good effects and make-up, but that doesn't mean it's a good movie. The Mummy is entertaining, but cliche and hard to take unless you are watching it on cable. Some of these are bad theater movies, but great for cable movies.
Vator, I liked Independence Day as well and for some reason I'm not seeing it on the list. So, I can't comment other than I also agree, if it is on the list, that it is good enough to have it removed.
Howard the Duck is a cult movie and a comic movie. While it may suck, it has enough redeeming qualities and closet fans that it will stay off.
I forgot to mention that these have to be movies that more than one person has seen in order to verify the suckiness. So unfortunately, I cannot agree with 'Party Monster' SPIDERLEGS, and I hope to never be able to verify that it is bad...
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Watto's Junk Yard / The Official Bad Movie Thread
« on: May 27, 2004, 01:16 PM »
This is an alphabetical list that was started about 6 years or so ago. The keeper of this list is a buddy of mine in San Francisco named Tony. He has toiled long and hard (over many nights under the influence of illicit substances) with many friends to compile this list.
Now the nomination and election process is a bit more complex then one may think. So I’ll go over the basic rules for a movie to be deemed ‘bad’.
1. No sequels allowed! It is very rare that any sequel is actually ‘good’.
2. No ‘b’, cult, horror or spoof movies allowed. These are so bad they are actually good.
3. A made for television or cable movie is pushing it. A movie that goes straight to video has got to be bad, so those are pushing it too.
4. You must consider that these are movies that you would be paying money to see in a theater.
5. There are movies that are bad that can have enough redeeming qualities they won’t make the cut. Examples are: Judge Dredd (Stallone) or The Punisher (Dolph Lundgren). These are comicbook movies and for the fans that know the medium, they are pretty good. Early Schwarzenegger and Stallone Action flicks have enough one-liners and action that they have entertainment value.
With this in mind, there is a process that a movie must go through to make the list.
1. 2 or more people must agree the movie is really bad.
2. If someone is against it being added, they must make a valid case for keeping it off.
Movies that are on the list can be removed but only if you are undeniably correct and have reasons that are hard to argue. The panel of Stoners and Drunks and dudes that made the list are professional movie viewers and have placed these beauties on here for a reason. The effort to break out something like, “Cop and a Half” during a round table discussion was the motivator to take the list to this level.
If you have a suggestion, a nomination, disagreement, then let’s hear it! I will try and revise the list as often as possible. I will have final say (after Tony’s blessing) on movies that make it or not. I know a lot of modern and contemporary stuff is missing. It has not been ‘officially’ revised for about 2 years. Again, I will consult Tony for additions and add them soon. I just thought that this list was good for a laugh at least and I hope people dig it and get into trying to come up with the doozie that echoes laughter throughout the site and beyond.
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8mm
Air Force 1
Airheads
American Anthem
Anaconda
Angels in the Outfield
Any Which Way But Loose
(The) Apple Dumplin’ Gang
(The) Bachelor
Beethoven
(The) Best Little Whorehouse in Texas
Big Bully
Big Business
Big Daddy
Bio Dome
Bird on a Wire
Blue Chips
Breakin’
Bright Lights Big City
Capt ’n’ Jack
(The) Cell
Child’s Play
Cliff Hanger
Cobra
Congo
Cool World
Cop and a Half
Cops & Robbersons
Corvette Summer
Curly Sue
Dark Man
Daylight
Deep Impact
Demolition Man
Desperately Seeking Susan
Doc Hollywood
Dragonheart
Dream a Little Dream
Dream Lover
Dunston Checks In
Encino Man
Envy
Existenz
Exit to Eden
Fair Game
Father of the Bride
Father’s Day
Feds
Final Destination
First Knight
Fist of Fear
Footloose
Freejack
Free Willy
Fresh Horses
From Dusk to Dawn
Ghost Dad
Ghost in the Darkness
Gigli
Gleaming the Cube
Goin’ Ape
Gone in 60 Seconds
Greed
Hardwear
Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man
Harry and the Harrisons
Haunted Honeymoon
Her Alibi
Hero
Honey I Shrunk the Kids
Hope Floats
(The) Hurricane
Ice Castles
If Looks Could Kill
(The) Island of Dr. Moreau
Ishtar
It's Pat
Jingle All the Way
K-9
Kazam
King Ralph
Lady Bugs
Lake Placid
(The) Last Action Hero
L A Story
Leonard VI (not a sequel)
Leprechaun
(The) Light of Day
Like Father Like Son
Look Who’s Talking
Mannequin
(The) Mario Brothers
Men at Work
(The) Mighty Ducks
(The) Money Pit
Mister Saturday Night
(The) Mummy
MVP (Most Valuable Primate)
Nell
(The) Net
Nurse Betty
Oscar
Over the Top
Palmetto
Paternity
Poison Ivy
(The) Postman
Problem Child
(The) Quick and the Dead
Razors Edge
Return of the Disco Godfather
Rhinestone Cowboy
Shang-Hi Surprise
She-Devil
She’s Outta Control
Short Circuit
Side Kicks
Sideout
Silver Bullet
Stone Cold
Stop or My Mom Will Shoot
Tango and Cash
Titanic
Tremors
Turner and Hooch
Two if By Sea
Vice Versa
Walk Like a Man
Waterworld
Way to Go
Weekend at Bernies
Wild Orchid
YMCA
Young Einstein
You’ve Got Mail
Now the nomination and election process is a bit more complex then one may think. So I’ll go over the basic rules for a movie to be deemed ‘bad’.
1. No sequels allowed! It is very rare that any sequel is actually ‘good’.
2. No ‘b’, cult, horror or spoof movies allowed. These are so bad they are actually good.
3. A made for television or cable movie is pushing it. A movie that goes straight to video has got to be bad, so those are pushing it too.
4. You must consider that these are movies that you would be paying money to see in a theater.
5. There are movies that are bad that can have enough redeeming qualities they won’t make the cut. Examples are: Judge Dredd (Stallone) or The Punisher (Dolph Lundgren). These are comicbook movies and for the fans that know the medium, they are pretty good. Early Schwarzenegger and Stallone Action flicks have enough one-liners and action that they have entertainment value.
With this in mind, there is a process that a movie must go through to make the list.
1. 2 or more people must agree the movie is really bad.
2. If someone is against it being added, they must make a valid case for keeping it off.
Movies that are on the list can be removed but only if you are undeniably correct and have reasons that are hard to argue. The panel of Stoners and Drunks and dudes that made the list are professional movie viewers and have placed these beauties on here for a reason. The effort to break out something like, “Cop and a Half” during a round table discussion was the motivator to take the list to this level.
If you have a suggestion, a nomination, disagreement, then let’s hear it! I will try and revise the list as often as possible. I will have final say (after Tony’s blessing) on movies that make it or not. I know a lot of modern and contemporary stuff is missing. It has not been ‘officially’ revised for about 2 years. Again, I will consult Tony for additions and add them soon. I just thought that this list was good for a laugh at least and I hope people dig it and get into trying to come up with the doozie that echoes laughter throughout the site and beyond.
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54
8mm
Air Force 1
Airheads
American Anthem
Anaconda
Angels in the Outfield
Any Which Way But Loose
(The) Apple Dumplin’ Gang
(The) Bachelor
Beethoven
(The) Best Little Whorehouse in Texas
Big Bully
Big Business
Big Daddy
Bio Dome
Bird on a Wire
Blue Chips
Breakin’
Bright Lights Big City
Capt ’n’ Jack
(The) Cell
Child’s Play
Cliff Hanger
Cobra
Congo
Cool World
Cop and a Half
Cops & Robbersons
Corvette Summer
Curly Sue
Dark Man
Daylight
Deep Impact
Demolition Man
Desperately Seeking Susan
Doc Hollywood
Dragonheart
Dream a Little Dream
Dream Lover
Dunston Checks In
Encino Man
Envy
Existenz
Exit to Eden
Fair Game
Father of the Bride
Father’s Day
Feds
Final Destination
First Knight
Fist of Fear
Footloose
Freejack
Free Willy
Fresh Horses
From Dusk to Dawn
Ghost Dad
Ghost in the Darkness
Gigli
Gleaming the Cube
Goin’ Ape
Gone in 60 Seconds
Greed
Hardwear
Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man
Harry and the Harrisons
Haunted Honeymoon
Her Alibi
Hero
Honey I Shrunk the Kids
Hope Floats
(The) Hurricane
Ice Castles
If Looks Could Kill
(The) Island of Dr. Moreau
Ishtar
It's Pat
Jingle All the Way
K-9
Kazam
King Ralph
Lady Bugs
Lake Placid
(The) Last Action Hero
L A Story
Leonard VI (not a sequel)
Leprechaun
(The) Light of Day
Like Father Like Son
Look Who’s Talking
Mannequin
(The) Mario Brothers
Men at Work
(The) Mighty Ducks
(The) Money Pit
Mister Saturday Night
(The) Mummy
MVP (Most Valuable Primate)
Nell
(The) Net
Nurse Betty
Oscar
Over the Top
Palmetto
Paternity
Poison Ivy
(The) Postman
Problem Child
(The) Quick and the Dead
Razors Edge
Return of the Disco Godfather
Rhinestone Cowboy
Shang-Hi Surprise
She-Devil
She’s Outta Control
Short Circuit
Side Kicks
Sideout
Silver Bullet
Stone Cold
Stop or My Mom Will Shoot
Tango and Cash
Titanic
Tremors
Turner and Hooch
Two if By Sea
Vice Versa
Walk Like a Man
Waterworld
Way to Go
Weekend at Bernies
Wild Orchid
YMCA
Young Einstein
You’ve Got Mail
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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: The Sibling Society
« on: May 24, 2004, 02:06 PM »I'm reading The Sibling Society by Robert Bly. Some of the stuff he writes about our society and the effect of social movements like feminism really resonate with me. Especially the bits from Iron John about the 50's male archetype, a mummified non-feeling do-no-wrong father-knows-best ideal and how the world and our children suffer because of it.
I especially like the way he includes old stories and mythology as support for his thesis. He uses a really old version of Jack and the Beanstalk in The Sibling Society. It's fascinating, and I'd never given the story much deep thought.
Anyone know who is missing in the story of Jack and the Beanstalk?
To which you answered, "I dunno DEANPAUL Jack's father?"
I appreciate your interest in archetypes and Robert Bly's methodical and anylitical (and sometimes to a fault) breakdown of specific tales as they apply to a specific genre/era. I too have read/digested 'Iron John' and thought it to be quite enlightening and interesting. I think when one reads books such as these, one brings their own experiences to the table. It is inevitable that one also relates these experiences to writings like this. As far as it's scholarly or educational value is concerned, 'Iron John' is apt to stir up some good debate and conversation. I related a lot of it to my life when I read it and it helped me see things differently. It was a very personal experience for me when I read it and it's cool to know there are other's that appreciate Bly's work.
Sorry I did not chime in on the Jack question. I missed it, but I knew it. I used to take a course in Fairy Tale analysis form a Jungian perspective and Jack and the Beanstalk was the first tale the group looked at. I was the only male voice and wwhenever I spoke of my insights or observations, the women in the group (all of which were mothers, and I was early 20's) were very attentive and probed me for answers to their own mother/son complexes.
I assume you also have read books by Joseph Campbell ("The Power of Myth"). His insights and knowledge on historical archetypes was scary. Very good stuff, but not quite as personal as Bly. Bly reads a little less like a textbook in some cases. The books where he is interviewed are more personal and amazing.
I also recommend 2 books I believe are called 'He' and 'She' (can't place the author right now). They are short and sweet, but very enlightening and informative about male/female roles as archetypes and how it applies to reality. C. S. Lewis wrote a book called 'Til We Have Faces' which is fiction, but traces the hero's journey in a text book manner. It is great.
I'm not sure why the 'father' complex and absence in Jack would be important for you. We all have our favorites and those that apply profoundly to our lives. My personal favorite is a Grimm's Fairy Tale called 'The Golden Bird' in it's original form. It just speaks to me in so many ways.
Finally, parents in Fairy Tales usually are missing, dead or overbearing to make up for the absence of another. But you can't have a hero with parents. Look at any classic hero and somebody that is a parent or parental figure usually dies or is already dead. Why do you think that is?
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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: A thread about concerts.
« on: May 19, 2004, 02:58 PM »
Top 10 concerts I have been too. Keep in mind that I am a closed-minded metal fan and have reduced my options to metal shows. No offense to other music, I just found my niche and stayed there. All venues are Denver Colorado...
10. Ozzy Osbourne (No More Tears song on the album), McNichols Arena with Sepultura (Max was fronting/Chaos AD) & Alice in Chains (AOC with dog on cover). Amazing! Ozzy was pretty good, but Sepultura ripped and Alice in Chains was amazing. Layne had a broken leg, so he hobbled out and kicked it on an old couch and belted everything out perfectly.
9. Judas Priest (Painkiller tour) McNichols Arena with Testament (Souls of Black) & Megadeth (Rust in Peace)
8. Sepultura - Roots (with Max) - Ogden Theatre & Sepultura - Beneath the Remains tour - Azatlan Theatre
7. Forced Entry, Atrophy & Coroner - Azatlan
6. Obituary - any
5. Vio-Lence & Defiance - Colorado indoor Sports Complex (like a high school gym).
4. Death, Pestilence & Carcass
3. Clash of the Titans - Red Rocks - year? - this was the order the bands appeared - Alice in Chains (Facelift tour), Anthrax (Persistence of Time), Megadeth (late Rust in Peace) & Slayer closed (Seasons in the Abyss)
2. Lamb of God - Headbanger's Ball Tour - Ogden Theatre - 2003.
1. Metallica - Ride the Lightning tour (1984-85) with Armored Saint (March of the Saint - the old band that John Bush of Anthrax used to front) at the Rainbow Music Hall (seating capacity was 500 max). General admission and sat (stood and headbanged is more like it) 9th row center.
10. Ozzy Osbourne (No More Tears song on the album), McNichols Arena with Sepultura (Max was fronting/Chaos AD) & Alice in Chains (AOC with dog on cover). Amazing! Ozzy was pretty good, but Sepultura ripped and Alice in Chains was amazing. Layne had a broken leg, so he hobbled out and kicked it on an old couch and belted everything out perfectly.
9. Judas Priest (Painkiller tour) McNichols Arena with Testament (Souls of Black) & Megadeth (Rust in Peace)
8. Sepultura - Roots (with Max) - Ogden Theatre & Sepultura - Beneath the Remains tour - Azatlan Theatre
7. Forced Entry, Atrophy & Coroner - Azatlan
6. Obituary - any
5. Vio-Lence & Defiance - Colorado indoor Sports Complex (like a high school gym).
4. Death, Pestilence & Carcass
3. Clash of the Titans - Red Rocks - year? - this was the order the bands appeared - Alice in Chains (Facelift tour), Anthrax (Persistence of Time), Megadeth (late Rust in Peace) & Slayer closed (Seasons in the Abyss)
2. Lamb of God - Headbanger's Ball Tour - Ogden Theatre - 2003.
1. Metallica - Ride the Lightning tour (1984-85) with Armored Saint (March of the Saint - the old band that John Bush of Anthrax used to front) at the Rainbow Music Hall (seating capacity was 500 max). General admission and sat (stood and headbanged is more like it) 9th row center.
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Fan Art / Re: Cityscape
« on: May 12, 2004, 08:11 PM »
Not too shabby. It's roughness and sketchy layout is your major strength as Brad mentioned. My advice for future cityscapes would be to explore and utilize perspective. There are tons of web resources that give the basic premise and approach to 1, 2, 3 & more point perspective. This will add a lot of dimension to what you have. It feels a little flat because the line work and much ofthe supporting city area is the same. Depth can be accheived by using thinner or thicker lines and darker or lighter values. Ususally the dark and thick lines and details are frontmost and they thin and lighten up as things go further back. The composition is strong and that has to do with repetition, especially with the clouds and how it breaks up the business of the city lines and shapes. Keep at it is all I can say and the more you try and experiment and practice, the better you will get.
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The Bullpen / Marvel Legends
« on: May 10, 2004, 11:35 AM »
The new Lee's Toy Review had an article on Marvel Legends and they said that ToyBiz is going to 'reissue' (ARGGGHH!!!) chase figure to promote collectibility and give those that missed out on figures like: Wolverine sans mask & Goliath/Giant Man. WTF?!! How does making more create more collectibility. I thought the fewer, the more rare and thus the more collectible a figure is!
This would really upset me if it is true. I'm sure it will also upset anyone who laid down $$$ to acquire these figures to complete a set. They did the same thing with LOTR. I stopped collecting when I found out they were reissuing all the rare figures. What's the point of the hunt? I think this is total BS and I really hope this is not true. Who makes these decisions and on what basis or grounds are these decisions being made?
This would really upset me if it is true. I'm sure it will also upset anyone who laid down $$$ to acquire these figures to complete a set. They did the same thing with LOTR. I stopped collecting when I found out they were reissuing all the rare figures. What's the point of the hunt? I think this is total BS and I really hope this is not true. Who makes these decisions and on what basis or grounds are these decisions being made?
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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: It's A BOY!
« on: April 24, 2004, 10:06 PM »
Congrats!
I guess I'm next (due July 11). Nothing is more intense or rewarding than childbirth. I am excited for you and wish the best to your family.
I guess I'm next (due July 11). Nothing is more intense or rewarding than childbirth. I am excited for you and wish the best to your family.
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Fan Art / Re: ROTJ Skywalker - did this in night class...
« on: April 20, 2004, 12:09 AM »
Cha-Ching!!!
You the man! Any patron of the arts is a friend o' mine! I can also wield a pretty mean pencil if you want a collection of killer JD.com staff art. Even willing to do the ICMG!
You the man! Any patron of the arts is a friend o' mine! I can also wield a pretty mean pencil if you want a collection of killer JD.com staff art. Even willing to do the ICMG!
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Fan Art / Re: ROTJ Skywalker - did this in night class...
« on: April 19, 2004, 11:10 PM »
No offense Dave...
But as Brad's attorney I must advise him to start charging for his talented services. You want to commision a work of art by The Fuzzy Angry One, then you need to:
SHOW HIM THE $$$!!!
Suggestions are fine, but he isn't taking requests at the moment... Anyway next in line is "Ewok Celebration".
Just kidding.
But as Brad's attorney I must advise him to start charging for his talented services. You want to commision a work of art by The Fuzzy Angry One, then you need to:
SHOW HIM THE $$$!!!
Suggestions are fine, but he isn't taking requests at the moment... Anyway next in line is "Ewok Celebration".
Just kidding.
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Feedback / Re: HSolo's feedback
« on: April 19, 2004, 02:58 PM »
Hsolo (John) is a fair trader and everything went smoothly. I recommend John as someone to trade with and hope to have future trading experiences with him. Thanks again!
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Fan Art / Re: ROTJ Skywalker - did this in night class...
« on: April 19, 2004, 02:12 PM »
Nice Brad! Your sense of value and your ability to interpret it effectively are improving. You get better and better (and this is due to the fact that you are drawing a lot and trying things that challenge you). It has a painterly feel to it, especially on the arm. The transition and slow blends from light into dark and dark into light are really well rendered there! You are becoming masterful with your use of light and how it defines form. I suggest that you check out Carravagio's work and any of the Dutch Masters (Vermeer, Rembrandt, Hals...). They were the best at manipulating light and using it to define and convey the emotion of the subject matter. Carravagio was a nut and so damn good. I think you'd enjoy reading about his character and the crazy stuff he did.
Anyway, good stuff Brad! I've got some goodies coming soon and can't wait to share them with you!
Anyway, good stuff Brad! I've got some goodies coming soon and can't wait to share them with you!
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Vintage Kenner / Re: FOTW #1 - Chewbacca
« on: April 5, 2004, 01:18 PM »
Not sure if this the case with everyone else, but the only image (out of a total of 5) I am able to see is the vintage chewies. I think I might need to downsize these...
Anyway, with the vintage...
the 1977 on the left is has some paint wear, so that is why the bag is different. The neck sculpts seem slightly different and that may be due to the early bird being at an ever so slightly different angle. This also may explain why the early birds nose is catching more light. (Bad scans... I'll try a camera in the future. The color is more even all over on the vintage. The early bird has a slightly darker brown on the limbs. The biggest difference is the eyes. The vintage has more white and the early bird more blue. It iws really obvious from further away and tricks my eye when I try and find other differences.
I'll try and downsize these a bit and add more explaination soon...
Anyway, with the vintage...
the 1977 on the left is has some paint wear, so that is why the bag is different. The neck sculpts seem slightly different and that may be due to the early bird being at an ever so slightly different angle. This also may explain why the early birds nose is catching more light. (Bad scans... I'll try a camera in the future. The color is more even all over on the vintage. The early bird has a slightly darker brown on the limbs. The biggest difference is the eyes. The vintage has more white and the early bird more blue. It iws really obvious from further away and tricks my eye when I try and find other differences.
I'll try and downsize these a bit and add more explaination soon...
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The Prequel Trilogy / R2-D2 speak...
« on: April 4, 2004, 11:37 PM »
I just noticed that Anakin talks to R2-D2 in Ep.1 when he's trapped in the cockpit and ultimately takes off...
This is something I always overlooked, but Luke talks to R2-D2 as well in ANH.
How do they understand R2-D2 speak (or droid...)? Is there a translator control readout on the dash or are they just so well versed with droids (Luke worked with and repaired a few and Anakin built C-3PO and worked in Watto's salvage shop) that it is something the audience should take for granted. I just never thought about this and wondered if anyone had any idea.
This is something I always overlooked, but Luke talks to R2-D2 as well in ANH.
How do they understand R2-D2 speak (or droid...)? Is there a translator control readout on the dash or are they just so well versed with droids (Luke worked with and repaired a few and Anakin built C-3PO and worked in Watto's salvage shop) that it is something the audience should take for granted. I just never thought about this and wondered if anyone had any idea.