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Collectibles => Past Hasbro 3.75" Lines => The Legacy Collection => Topic started by: Brian on May 14, 2008, 03:57 PM
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Just saw this new rumor list (http://www.rebelscum.com/story/front/Vintage_Rumor_List_For_The_Legacy_Collection_114603.asp) over at RS, supposedly for Legacy Collection "vintage" figures. According to this listing, there is 6 waves - yes, waves - for 2009. The list provided includes OT, PT, and a mention of EU figures. Let the speculation begin...
Not sure what this means for the line (especially with PT characters listed and EU mentioned as well), but the OT characters listed sound pretty good to me. I'd like to see some spiffy re-dos of each of them. Here's the listing:
Walrus Man
Death Squad Commander
Jawa
Princess Leia (Hoth Outfit)
Zuckuss
Emperor's Royal Guard
Wicket
Gammorean Guard
Admiral Ackbar
Luke Skywalker (no specifics provided)
Han Solo (no specifics provided)
Darth Maul
Jar Jar Binks
Queen Amidala (Theed Invasion)
...and some EU characters
Hopefully the Han Solo is the Bespin version, and Luke is either Hoth or the DSII Jedi version we've been waiting for. This could be interesting.
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Hmm...very interesting indeed. I for one really, really hope this doesn't happen, mostly because these are all resculpts I want that I'd have to spend extra money on only to have them get re-released in a Legends line. :-\
Oh, and never in a million years would I buy a Jawa or Wicket for $12. :P
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Yeah, I'm curious to see what comes of all of this. If there is indeed 6 waves of figures, even if there is only four figures or something in a wave, that would get pretty pricey for the year at $10+ a pop. Put that alongside the regular TLC line, and maybe/probably a continuation of the Clone Wars Animated line, and things are downright spendy. Granted, its early and still just rumors at this point, but things have at least been close if not confirmed lately it seems. I'd just as soon see them take the OT characters listed on there (and add one more in to make it even) and release two more waves of 6. That would cover things pretty nicely. If they're going to go OT, PT, and even EU with this line - it might need to be the only line if its going to have that many waves. They are really starting to push what collectors will spend on their lines, if all of this holds true. Granted, I'd be excited to see the VOTC line return (with OT characters), but I'm curious to see what this new line (with more releases and including the whole Saga) will entail.
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Hmm...very interesting indeed. I for one really, really hope this doesn't happen, mostly because these are all resculpts I want that I'd have to spend extra money on only to have them get re-released in a Legends line. :-\
Oh, and never in a million years would I buy a Jawa or Wicket for $12. :P
Agreed. If the Jawa was a two pack yes. Wicket no way unless he came with some awesome accessories. Given the coffin bubble for this, there is no way Hasbro would be able to include enough accessories to make it worth our while for $12.
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i would be interested in a super articulated Emperor's Royal Guard!
i did not like those swival cut arms from the rots and comic pack royal guards
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Who comes up with these lists? If basic figs are going to be over $ a pop what are these going to be? I want all those figs but with all of those being that price how many of us are really going to touch these at full price. The only army builder being the DS commander and maybe royal/gamor guards & Jawa, but those won't compare to the Scout, Stormie, Snowie past army builders.
Most of them will peg warm like crazy-Ackbar come on he's even more boring and less interesting then Greedo and at least he held a gun.
If Han is Bespin version we've been waiting for, wait is going to make me shell out $13 + for a mod version of what they just released during take without the cool accessory.
Same with maybe a DS Luke, this deleted scene/Legacy Luke looks to be exactly that unless of course it might be the open tunic version, well heck let me shell out that much more money for it then.
EU characters, while I love them, if main character/movie characters go on clearance what are the chances that comic guys won't get sent to the back endcap with an orange sticker?
Seems these are bad choices for this line, or it just needs to die an abrupt death. It just seems that if Hasbro would stop wasting plastic on figs that are going to clearance at the very least at $5.00 maybe they wouldn't be charging so much for basic figures now.
Sorry about the rant, I love the figs but the price is just stupid for what we're getting. Put cool accessories with them at least instead of wasting the plastic on the packaging.
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Or hasbro could just ditch the stupid clamshell that has to be destroyed anyways to get the figures out, and reduce the vintage price to the same as the basic figure pricing. Both lines are basically the same now anyways(in terms of sculpts and quality), so why should i have to pay an extra $6 (they are about $17 ea in Canada) for something that is of same quality as the ones for $10? makes no sense to me.
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Now that I'm done with the carded collecting, it doesn't bother me so much at all. I can tolerate them mucking it up with EU and PT as long as they keep putting out OT stuff.
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Sounds like these will probably be released at basic figure price, thats what is being speculated over at scum... which if this turns to be true, Im SOLD!!!
How great will it be to see all the vintage cards on basic figures again!!!
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So i am thinking the break down here is basic figures
ANH Wave:
Walrus Man
Death Squad Commander
Jawa
ESB Wave:
Princess Leia (Hoth Outfit)
Zuckuss
Luke Skywalker (no specifics provided)
Han Solo (no specifics provided)
ROTJ Wave:
Emperor's Royal Guard
Wicket
Gammorean Guard
Admiral Ackbar
TPM wave:
Darth Maul
Jar Jar Binks
Queen Amidala (Theed Invasion)
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super articulated Admiral Ackbar woud be cool to have
we need more calamari figures
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Sounds like these will probably be released at basic figure price, thats what is being speculated over at scum... which if this turns to be true, Im SOLD!!!
How great will it be to see all the vintage cards on basic figures again!!!
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Sounds like these will probably be released at basic figure price, thats what is being speculated over at scum... which if this turns to be true, Im SOLD!!!
How great will it be to see all the vintage cards on basic figures again!!!
I can see these being carded like the 25th G.I.Joes. My only problem with that is I will miss the clear clamshells. The only figures i have carded are the VOTC ones. I buy doubles to keep in the package. Either way I am happy at the list and hope it's true.
I hope it's the long awaited Han Bespin and Luke Hoth for the Han/Luke slots.
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Where's the Battle Droid?
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I would expect to see a Battle Droid. And perhaps this is where we're going to get this all new TPM Obi-Wan Kenobi that was mentioned in the Q&A's.
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I'd be all over the OT figures. I'm not a carded collector for the most part these days, EXCEPT for figures on vintage style cards. I really want these for the asthetics of the carded display - Hasbro can go ahead and rerelease the figures in 2010 on basic cards without the clamshell.
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I just hope they make a retro 1978 style card for the TPM figures. Seeing that lame red card from 99 again would make me all yucky inside.
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Man, I can't wait to read the various forums when they announce plans for retro 1978 style card for the TPM figures. I'm sure all the vintage guys will love seeing these on eBay... :D
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/5-08/vintagejarjar.jpg)
(card courtesy of FFURG)
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When's the last time we actually got a figure of Jar Jar on a basic figure card? 2002? I think the classic vintage card design has some serious appeal. Prequel or not.
I like the ANH choices. The TESB choices seem logical, although a bit weighted towards core characters. No mention of an Emporer though, huh? That's disappointing.
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i like this rumor list very much, because i want wicket and more characters, but not as expensive vintage figures >:(
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I believe these was on the Vintage Retro List an long time ago, and probaby will be in the basic line next year because I wouldn't think hasbro will make us pay $12 for an Wicket, heck he wouldn't be worth paying $7 in the basic line. I think these are really basic figures for this/next year
ANH Wave: (including Stormtroopers Han and Luke, & Obi-Wan)
Walrus Man
Death Squad Commander
Jawa
ESB Wave: (including Willrow Hood)
Princess Leia (Hoth Outfit)
Zuckuss
Luke Skywalker (no specifics provided)
Han Solo (no specifics provided)
ROTJ Wave: (including Slave Leia and DS2 Luke)
Emperor's Royal Guard
Wicket
Gammorean Guard
Admiral Ackbar
TPM wave: (including Obi-Wan Kenobi)
Darth Maul
Jar Jar Binks
Queen Amidala (Theed Invasion)
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Potentially exciting and yet potentially frightening. I will be disappointed if we get vintage style PT cards.
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Until more of the recent Rebelscum rumors actually start coming true...color me skeptical :-X
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Man, I can't wait to read the various forums when they announce plans for retro 1978 style card for the TPM figures. I'm sure all the vintage guys will love seeing these on eBay... :D
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/5-08/vintagejarjar.jpg)
(card courtesy of FFURG)
They'll probably put TPM figures on TPM cards, or at least I hope so.
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If Hasbro decided to have a saga-wide regular line with this logo style and photo cardback, I think it would be nice. But if they go for a Kenner reproduction card with prequel characters, that seems a little blasphemous :-\
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Personally, I don't see what the big deal is about packaging. I'd be fine if all figures came in plastic sleeves.
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Personally, I don't see what the big deal is about packaging. I'd be fine if all figures came in plastic sleeves.
When Hasbro asks for an extra $5 just for said packaging just to rip it open and throw away, that's my only problem.
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I can see these being carded like the 25th G.I.Joes.
I could see this being a possibility, with the big success of the 25th Joes this past year+. If all the rumors of this report line up, I just can't see six waves of $10-$12 figures, in addition to the regular TLC line, and also the Clone Wars line. Sure, its not like Hasbro doesn't like taking our money, but that's sure a lot of stuff/lines out at once. Plus, with the figures listed, that's really taking a lot of the "anchor characters" for waves and putting them in this supposedly "vintage" line.
Its hard to say what this will be. I don't think its the "main", regular line - because in this past week's Q and A, Hasbro said they had Build-A-Droids worked out to the end of 2009. If these would continue the trend of being on a vintage cardback, they couldn't include those BAD parts. To be honest, I'd be happy to see all of the figures on this list - but they don't need to be on pseudo-vintage cardbacks with premium pricing. Putting some of those OT ones on the vintage cardbacks is always great (depending on how high the price goes now), but figures like the "ultimate" Jar Jar, Padme, etc. can just be put into the basic line. Like its been said many times, that quality is in the basic line fairly regularly at this point anyways. I do kind of like the big picture cardbacks (like the vintage days), but don't necessarily know how I feel about prequel (or even EU) characters being put on a true vintage cardback. Like Daigo-Bah said, it seems blasphemous. Its definitely a nice list (new Ackbar, hopefully new Bespin Han/Hoth Luke, etc.), and I do hope we get all new, "ultimate" versions of all of these characters. Darth Maul is listed, and I always thought the Evolutions one was pretty good aside from adding ball elbows. Anyways, I'm definitely interested, and hope that this list of figures turns out to be true if nothing else - even if its just in the basic line.
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I personally don't see the big deal in putting prequel figures on a classic style card. There's nothing sacred about the card. It's a classic looking Star Wars card. Would it be a little strange to look at? Sure. Other than that, I have no problem with having figures from the entire Saga on a unified looking line of cardbacks.
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I don't really have any problems with it either.
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Personally, I don't see what the big deal is about packaging. I'd be fine if all figures came in plastic sleeves.
When Hasbro asks for an extra $5 just for said packaging just to rip it open and throw away, that's my only problem.
Well yeah, I do mind the higher price too since I open all my stuff. I don't like paying a few extra dollars for something that's only going to wind up in the trash can. :-\
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Personally, I don't see what the big deal is about packaging. I'd be fine if all figures came in plastic sleeves.
When Hasbro asks for an extra $5 just for said packaging just to rip it open and throw away, that's my only problem.
Well yeah, I do mind the higher price too since I open all my stuff. I don't like paying a few extra dollars for something that's only going to wind up in the trash can. :-\
It does feel a bit like you're using Mr. Lincoln to wipe your a$$. I wouldn't mind so much if the figures would be coming out on a regular card, like the scout trooper-then again that only happened because he was voted in right? That way I'd just save my money on the vintage stuff and buy them on reg cards.
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I personally don't see the big deal in putting prequel figures on a classic style card. There's nothing sacred about the card. It's a classic looking Star Wars card. Would it be a little strange to look at? Sure. Other than that, I have no problem with having figures from the entire Saga on a unified looking line of cardbacks.
Isn't the point of the vintage style card to harken back to the nostalgia associated with it? Any of the prequel characters EVER appear on a cardback like that? Nope, didn't think so.
As for the unified looking cardbacks, go right ahead, just don't copy the Kenner cardback. We've seen Saga and all sorts of other 'unified' cadbacks with a mix of OT/PT/EU on them. I've no problem with that at all. But trying to force the crapass prequel characters onto a vintage Kenner cardback? That's just pointless. Jeff's post of the JarJar on the classic style Kenner card is the perfect example of how utterly silly it is. Who's going to buy that piece of ****? Three people?
Besides, aren't the PT figures each associated with a particular style of cardback already? If we're going for the nostalgia factor on those figures and characters, shouldn't they go back and reproduce the cardbacks they originally came on? If not, why'd they produce those cardbacks in the first place? Or are they now admitting they looked like shiite?
No matter though, it's only my opinion. Hasbro has done a fine enough job of driving me further and further into a state of disinterest in their product. This would be another step in killing it for me. But like I said, it's only my opinion. If Hasbro thinks this is a good idea, then they'll do whatever they want.
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I kind of agree with Brent. I'm all for a unified cardback - particular a photo cardback, because I think those look spiffy - but maybe a little different than the old Kenner ones. I'd almost rather they just leave that for any future VOTC/VTSC releases as well, and not for a line encompassing the OT, PT, and EU. For the EU, I'm not sure how they would even go about that, aside from ones (like Mara Jade) that have had "photos" taken for card games and such.
Now, I'm not going to say I wouldn't buy all-new, SA versions of Jar Jar, Padme, Maul and such if they are released - regardless of the line. I know myself, and I'm a sucker for "ultimate" figures like that. That said, I'd rather they leave the "VOTC" line for just the OT figures now. The amount of OT product seems to be getting less and less all the time (last year's 30th Anniversary being a bit of the exception), and with the Clone Wars and live action series on the horizon, I doubt that is going to be changing. Plus, the EU is taking a more prevalent place in the overall line each year as well.
Like its been mentioned, we can get this quality in the regular line now - for a (little bit) cheaper pricepoint. That's just fine with me too. But, I have always enjoyed the "vintage" line (despite the pricepoint, which sthinks), so if it were to continue - even for just a couple of waves - that's great too. I guess its a concept I wouldn't mind seeing them just let the OT have to itself. The "nostalgic" cardbacks really only (overall) appeal to those of us who are old enough to remember them anyways, and who got into collecting Star Wars with those cardbacks, so just leave it in that line for the old fogeys. I doubt even that kids have bought (or asked for) many of the vintage figures from the previous lines anyways. They could care less about the packaging for the most part, and I don't know if many (depending on their age) would see much difference between a VOTC Han and the Cantina Han. They are both "Han in vest" to them. Maybe I'm wrong on that, but that's how our nephews seem to be.
Anyways, long post, but like I said - if they want to do a unified line like this, that's great with me. But maybe just leave the VOTC to the OT, as the name originally suggested.
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I think it's totally a matter of opinion on whether or not a PT figure should be on the Kenner style cardback. And I understand the possibility of apprehension about that prospect.
Is the vintage line about nostalgia? Yes and no. All of the similarities with the modern vintage line begin and end with the cardback. And even then the cardback is not 100% true to the original style. It's been changed significantly in order to promote the modern vintage line. And it's packed in a clamshell. Another thing that's not true to the original product. Factor in those elements, and it's clear that the integrity of the cardback has not been a major consideration for Hasbro.
Then there's pricing. The modern vintage figure was considered a premium 3.75" figure when it was introduced, selling for at least $10. It was a far cry from the vintage basic figure which most of us would have paid what, $2.99 for at retail? All the while there's still a basic figure line that retails for about $6.99. So we are paying a premium. One that our parents might not been willing to pay circa 1978 - 1983.
Then let's look at the actual figures. The character choices have been right out of the vintage line. But again, that's where the similarities end. These figures are sculpted to a higher standard than the basic figure line. They include better accessories. And the articulation is at a premium level. However, when Hasbro actually produced a figure in this line with the same number of points of articulation as an actual vintage Kenner figure in the Ben Kenobi figure, collectors railed against it. And now they want a better version of old Ben.
As for nostalgia for the PT cards? Is anyone really nostalgic about that EPISODE I card? Probably not. I know that I associate the classic Kenner look much more with Star Wars than when I see that red EPISODE I packaging. The same goes for the blue SAGA line and the helmet shaped ROTS line. The Kenner look screams Star Wars much more in comparison to all three of those lines. Now would it be a little bit of a stretch to include the classic Kenner look to include PT characters like Darth Maul, PT Obi-Wan Kenobi or daresay Jar Jar Binks? A little, but it's all still Star Wars. It's all still the same universe. Now did Hasbro and Lucas Licensing potentially goof by not keeping that classic look for the entirety of the prequel trilogy? Probably. It's a classic and instantly recognizable brand look. I guess my big issue with the entire discussion is that I don't consider toy packaging to be that "sacred" in any way, shape or form.
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For me, the vintage-styled line was Hasbro's way of showing us that despite the real empire Lucasfilm and its affiliates have become, with constant propaganda about the "all one saga" and the retroactive continuity in the prequels (and even in the goddamn special editions!), the OT stuff was just more special than anything after it. But now, if they put PT characters on Kenner repro cards, it's like Hasbro has completely gone to the dark side :P. Will I really care? Not so much- I still only buy what I like, but it'll still bug me.
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Isn't the point of the vintage style card to harken back to the nostalgia associated with it? Any of the prequel characters EVER appear on a cardback like that? Nope, didn't think so.
Eh... it's the square peg in a round hole thing to squeeze the PT into the classic realm of the OT.
Same thing as slapping ghosty Hayden into ROTJ.
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Isn't the point of the vintage style card to harken back to the nostalgia associated with it? Any of the prequel characters EVER appear on a cardback like that? Nope, didn't think so.
Eh... it's the square peg in a round hole thing to squeeze the PT into the classic realm of the OT.
Same thing as slapping ghosty Hayden into ROTJ.
That's probably the perfect analogy for me. Miserable inconsistencies and rewriting good stuff to make the bad fit better is probably what really irritates me the most.
Is the vintage line about nostalgia? Yes and no. All of the similarities with the modern vintage line begin and end with the cardback.
Um, about those characters that have been released on the vintage line cards. Yeah, all of them have been released on vintage cardback in the vintage line during the vintage era. Small technicality.
And even then the cardback is not 100% true to the original style. It's been changed significantly in order to promote the modern vintage line. And it's packed in a clamshell. Another thing that's not true to the original product. Factor in those elements, and it's clear that the integrity of the cardback has not been a major consideration for Hasbro.
Huh. I'm thankful it's been changed to promote the modern vintage line, otherwise every scammer in the Ebay universe would be selling these as AFA95. And at what point does anyone display the cardback regularly? The front of the card is remarkably true to the original. As for the clamshell, take it off and it's no longer an issue. Hasbro's intent for the clamshell was to protect the card/bubble, not to remain true to the original. It helped them jack the cost too. I think looking at the character photos, the cardback style, the lettering etc. on the front and Hasbro's done a remarkable job of staying true while being practical about other considerations. (yeah, I'm defending Hasbro, weird, ain't it?).
Then there's pricing. The modern vintage figure was considered a premium 3.75" figure when it was introduced, selling for at least $10. It was a far cry from the vintage basic figure which most of us would have paid what, $2.99 for at retail? All the while there's still a basic figure line that retails for about $6.99. So we are paying a premium. One that our parents might not been willing to pay circa 1978 - 1983.
Wow, stretching to rationalize here aren't we? The premium price point is Hasbro screwing us over (there, that's better), justified at the time on the basis of the additional clamshell, additional articulation (which we've since see them do in the basic line) and a supposed "premium" cardback. They knew their audience and guess what? We bit. As for your price comparisons, nice selection of the $7 pricepoint of today when the VOTC line came out, pricing was the standard $5, a whopping $2 more than the $3 pricepoint for the vintage line. I'm guessing that's below inflation. So no, our parents wouldn't pay $10 in the vintage era, but at that point toys weren't manufactured to be worshipped on the card in premium casing to be kept immaculate; they were meant to be opened and played with. Toys, not "investments". Apples and cannonballs.
Then let's look at the actual figures. The character choices have been right out of the vintage line. But again, that's where the similarities end. These figures are sculpted to a higher standard than the basic figure line. They include better accessories. And the articulation is at a premium level. However, when Hasbro actually produced a figure in this line with the same number of points of articulation as an actual vintage Kenner figure in the Ben Kenobi figure, collectors railed against it. And now they want a better version of old Ben.
I don't whether to laugh out loud at this or just shake my head. You're suggesting that to be truly nostalgic they should have re-released the old sculpt? C'mon Nick, shake your head. We all clamour for better likeness, more articulation all the time. They give it to us and you can find a problem with it? That's pretty petty and completely discounting what the original Hasbro intent for the line was. Premium cardback, premium clamshell, premium figure with respect to sculpt/articulation etc. That's where the price increase came from. Collectors are petty, that much is a given.
As for nostalgia for the PT cards? Is anyone really nostalgic about that EPISODE I card? Probably not.
So why bother producing them then? There is no nostalgic demand for the figures on a card. They have exactly zero relationship to the original vintage line other than being from the same broad story. The point of the vintage line was to reproduce the vintage line. Not to reproduce the PT stuff which no one is really clamoring for.
I know that I associate the classic Kenner look much more with Star Wars than when I see that red EPISODE I packaging. The same goes for the blue SAGA line and the helmet shaped ROTS line.
But Kenner never had anything to do with the Prequel Trilogy stuff, so it needs to stand on its own. I don't want to see a prequel Palpatine on a vintage style card, I want to see a vintage style emporor on the vintage style card.
Kenner look screams Star Wars much more in comparison to all three of those lines. Now would it be a little bit of a stretch to include the classic Kenner look to include PT characters like Darth Maul, PT Obi-Wan Kenobi or daresay Jar Jar Binks?
Yes, it's a huge and pointless stretch. Sure, those characters are part of the broader theme of Star Wars, but Hasbro deemed they should have their own stylized look. Now they/you are deciding that the Kenner look is better? A little late for that decision, isn't it? If you want nostalgia for the PT stuff it should reflect the original release, not some fickle change of mind that might scrape together a few more bucks. If there's no demand for the original look associated with the PT, don't bother. You can do the SA Maul/prequel Obi or JarJar on whatever the flavor of the day cardback is.
Now did Hasbro and Lucas Licensing potentially goof by not keeping that classic look for the entirety of the prequel trilogy? Probably. It's a classic and instantly recognizable brand look. I guess my big issue with the entire discussion is that I don't consider toy packaging to be that "sacred" in any way, shape or form.
Yup, they goofed. Huge. They "knew" better. But it's not an issue of sacred. There's just no real relationship with that cardback. Yes, it hearkens back to vintage stuff and the original Star Wars appeal but there's no need for the prequel characters to appear on that style of cardback other than to crank out a few more bucks and satisfy Lucas' whims. It's the same as making Greedo shoot first, having Luke scream like a little girl or swapping in Hayden's head. Pointless, stupid and demeaning to the original.
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Personally, this is an issue I could care less about - however, it's clear that folks like Morbug feel as strongly about it as I feel strongly that the Clone Wars 3D toy line should have been done in a realistic style, so I can definitely appreciate his point of view on the subject.
I think slapping a Jar Jar Binks on a Vintage Kenner style card is a tad bit ridiculous.
I thought that for 2009, they should be releasing a small wave of 10th Anniversary Edition Episode 1 figures and putting them on reproductions of the EP1 Darth Maul cardbacks, the figures on the cards could still be done to the same level of design as the VOTC/VTSC/VTAC figures were done so there should be no difference there. Clamshell them up like was done with the VOTC line and I'd be okay with buying into a 10 - 12 figure nostalgia wave of EP1 figures designed to celebrate the tenth anniversary of the first prequel.
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If Hasbro does turn back to the vintage-style card for this line of Legacy figures, I just hope they go all the way with the idea. No more of these then-and-now tributes we've seen on the back of previous vintage figures. I want to be able to flip over my vintage Jar Jar Binks and see a figure line-up with a command to "Collect all 1,238 Figures!" (or whatever the # is up to as your mileage may vary) and then have little, teeny-tiny pictures of every figure since 1995. I will not be satisfied unless my $7+ guarantees me some serious eye-strain! :P
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I'm kind of "done" with enjoying the concept of a premium figure... My main standpoint is that we get pretty premium quality across the basic line, and rightly so as figures are jumping to an appauling $8/per this year. You shouldn't expect much less at this point.
So to me, anything on a vintage cardback and being charged $9.99 to $11.99 (which I expect the latter with an inevitable "wah, we're poor" pricehike from Hasbro), is just a screwjob. That includes prequal figures and original trilogy alike. To me, they should just abandon the concept. It was fun while it lasted, it's an interesting sub-line, but I think it's outlived its usefulness.
I can still find V30AC figures at Wal-Mart... I can still find some VTSC at Wal-Mart. Let's give this overpriced line a rest, rather than gunking it up by making it expand to Prequal Trilogy figures as well. It's not like most (if not all) of what they put into the vintage format wouldn't get put out into the basic line anyway... Heroes, army builders... It's all stuff they love to put into a basic wave mix as it is, and so I'm just annoyed by the price hike that's completely unnecessary. I don't even display the cardbacks I do have from the vintage because of a lack of space at this point, so I'm really not into more of them. More of them that didn't even exist in the vintage days = extra pointless then to me. :-\
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If they want to continue these, they should just go the GI JOE route... basic figure price on vintage cards, without the plastic case.
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If they want to continue these, they should just go the GI JOE route... basic figure price on vintage cards, without the plastic case.
My thoughts as well. Just don't do the foil trim.
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I didn't see a lot of discussion on this, but it looks like Hasbro commented again on the future of the "VOTC/VTSC" line during last week's Q and A's (this particular question was at JTA). It sounds like there will not be a "vintage" line next year, possibly returning in 2010, and if/when it does return it will feature prequel figures as well and will continue to utilize the black/silver "Kenner style" cardbacks. Any thoughts on this? Here's the Q and A (from Matt's handy dandy thread):
We've been seeing some rumblings around the collecting community about the Vintage Figure concept. Rumors of figure lineups for later this year or beyond. And further indications that the concept might be extended to the Prequel era. HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, if that is the case, what OT characters might we expect? And how would Hasbro approach packaging a premium style PT figure - on the classic Kenner-Star Wars style card, or on a reproduction of the PT style cardbacks? (JTA, 08/01/08)
Hasbro: We can confirm that there is no vintage line in development at this time, but we would like to see it return in 2010 if possible (don't give credit to rumors - they are often founded on wishful thinking). If and when Vintage returns, it will draw from a mix of all six films. We would stick with the classic silver & black if we did it rather than recreate/reinterpret the different films. The spirit of vintage, to us and most fans, is rooted in the classic Kenner line.
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Start the petition now - no PT vintage!
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It probably wouldn't hurt to see an increase in fan grumbling outside my Q&A column if fans really don't want to see this line return... from the Hasbro cocktail hour deal at Comic-Con it really seems like sales and fan comments indicate they want a heck of a lot more Vintage. Maybe it's because of all the polls on the Rebelscum front page.
If they stop giving Target $13 repaints and gave them a $13 exclusive Vintage figure... I guess that'd be more compelling. But I'm with CHEWIE and you guys-- I hate paying premium prices for the garbage I throw away after I get my figures. It's just, in a way, a huge shame that the line seems to be meeting whatever targets Hasbro and/or retail have set for them because they JUST KEEP COMING BACK. I thought it'd be over after the last line took over a year to sell through and eventually got dumped at Ross...
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I hate paying premium prices for the garbage I throw away after I get my figures.
I think what might even be the worse part is for many of these "vintage" figures, they wind up getting re-used within a year or two later. I believe of the 23 "vintage" figures that have been released so far, only 4 of them (ANH Luke, ANH Leia, Bespin Luke, and Bossk) have yet to be refreshed in some manner. I would rather Hasbro release these figures in two formats - one with the premium BS packaging and then the other on a basic card - so that people like us who want a loose figure can pay the cheaper price and then those who want the carded display can get the premium price. I know wishful thinking, but they seem to be listening to collectors enough that I'd like to see them listen to that idea.