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Title: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: P-Siddy on September 11, 2012, 07:59 PM
Speaking of re-releases and AT-ST pilots, how soon will it be before we get an updated Han in AT-ST pilot gear?
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: Mister Skeezler on September 11, 2012, 08:11 PM
I kind of hope we never do...I really never bought the idea that he changed his clothes, sent the message, and then changed his clothes again. I really think he just put on the helmet and gloves and made the call.
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: Scockery on September 12, 2012, 10:39 AM
I kind of hope we never do...I really never bought the idea that he changed his clothes, sent the message, and then changed his clothes again. I really think he just put on the helmet and gloves and made the call.

Then got off the AT-ST  in time to meet the Imperials who opened the door.
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: Diddly on September 12, 2012, 01:19 PM
Well, I always assumed the control center was several floors underground. If you ever played Rogue Squadron 3 for Gamecube there's a level where you control Han and lead a team down there, and you go down maybe three or four flights of stairs. So in the time it takes for those officers to call up the three squads for help AND get upstairs to the surface, I imagine Han could get out of the AT-ST and hide at the side of the bunker. But I digress...  :P

Back on topic, got two Speeder Bikes with the BOGO at TRU. They also had a fresh case of the Lost Line wave, which I just ordered online. Spent $130 on that case when I could have gotten everything I needed from the wave today for roughly $30, but that's the way life rolls.
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: Jesse James on September 12, 2012, 02:07 PM
Well, I always assumed the control center was several floors underground. If you ever played Rogue Squadron 3 for Gamecube there's a level where you control Han and lead a team down there, and you go down maybe three or four flights of stairs. So in the time it takes for those officers to call up the three squads for help AND get upstairs to the surface, I imagine Han could get out of the AT-ST and hide at the side of the bunker. But I digress...  :P

This...  :)

The bunker was a back door to the generator...  there's the whole deleted scene run & gun deal too, to sort of back up the notion that there is some time between when you walk into the bunker and when you get to the control station where they were setting up the bombs.

It ties into the fact that the explosion is fairly massive too...  I've always theorized that where Han & Co. are,  is a good distance from the actual shield generator's main portion...  There's distances there that are sort of implied, IMO, but not really shown and film editing makes them seem shorter.  I figure there might be several of those bunkers all leading to the main central dish area, and all could've been set up to blow up.

I figure out where they're at, it's less mowed down, but the closer to the dish you get the more cleared of vegetation it is, and the more useful an AT-AT becomes as well.
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: Mister Skeezler on September 12, 2012, 03:09 PM
Oh yeah, we can see that the installation is pretty huge when they first arrive, before the Ewoks tell them about the "back door" (snicker).

I still don't think Han put on the whole outfit just to send the message. I always felt like it was helmet and gloves only.
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: P-Siddy on September 12, 2012, 05:10 PM
I still don't think Han put on the whole outfit just to send the message. I always felt like it was helmet and gloves only.

I can see that... just.... how did Han know that only his face would be shown and not the uniform?
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: Mister Skeezler on September 12, 2012, 06:43 PM
Well, he's definitely very close to the camera, and I'm sure it's pretty standard. If girls on Facebook can figure out how to take ridiculous profile pics of their eye, half a smile and a boob, I'll bet Han can figure out how to fake a broadcast on the AT-ST webcam.
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: Jesse James on September 12, 2012, 08:08 PM
My feelings lie in "better safe than sorry" with it.  he has on a hood of some sort it seems...  At least I think that looks like a hood, so I could see him throwing on the jumpsuit real quick and jumping out of it quickly.  My coveralls for working on the car are easy to jump in/out of with clothes on, so I dunno.

That's just me...  I don't think he'd have tossed on the boots and gloves though, so I don't think the figure's accurate either way. :)
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: Scockery on September 12, 2012, 08:16 PM
So if it was a jumpsuit, then did he take it off a dead guy. Was there poop stains in it? Surely this is EU material worthy.  :D
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: Jesse James on September 12, 2012, 08:41 PM
could've come off the guy the Ewoks beat up?  Never see him chucked out of the AT-ST even...  Not quite sure where that guy went, he just sort of fell below the camera line and disappeared.

The other dude got heeved off into the wilderness and was probably lying unconscious for a while.
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: Jayson on September 12, 2012, 08:50 PM
I don't buy that Han put on the gear either otherwise there would be some behind this scenes photo of Harrison wearing it. :) Plus, I think you can make out a mustache from the guy wearing the AT-ST gear in the video. I suppose Han could have shaved a dead ewok and or cut a mat from Chewie's fur and slapped over his snot trough to fake the video, but I doubt that happened either.

On a topical digression I got a red bandana Kithaba yesterday (off eBay).  :)
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: Jesse James on September 12, 2012, 08:57 PM
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Plus, I think you can make out a mustache from the guy wearing the AT-ST gear in the video.

So you don't even think Han is the guy in the video?
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: Mister Skeezler on September 12, 2012, 09:06 PM
I don't know...I grew up believing Han just threw on the helmet and made the call. Plus, he gives that little shrug and smile when the Imperials run out and get duped, so at the very least he was behind it. It really does sound like his voice though. Honestly, it's the easiest and most likely explanation...helmet, hand in front of face, call.

As for the driver thrown off the AT-ST, I'm wagering broken neck at the least. You don't get tossed by a Wookiee off a 28ft tall moving vehicle and just get up and dust yourself off. Plus, there were a ton of pissed-off Ewoks just waiting on the forest floor.
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: Jayson on September 12, 2012, 09:20 PM
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Plus, I think you can make out a mustache from the guy wearing the AT-ST gear in the video.

So you don't even think Han is the guy in the video?

My opinion? No.

(http://www.yakfaceforums.com/jayson/ROTJ_ATSThan2.jpg)
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: Jesse James on September 12, 2012, 10:58 PM
I see a communicator there.  :-\  To me, that looks just like Ford, what you can see, so I always assumed it was Ford...  It was definitely Han's idea, but it's totally plausible he sent some random schmuck up to do it too, so if that is a stache I could go either way on the scenario then I guess.  It really looks like he has a hood on under the helmet too which is weird...  I forget if the pilots we see close-ups of look like they have a hood on too.

Now on the debate of the guy chucked off the AT-ST, people can survive big falls...  I'm saying broken limb(s), maybe broken vertebrae...  lights on his head and a broken neck I suppose.  I think it's a survivable fall though under most circumstances, plus it's not moving till after he's pitched off it. ;)  the Ewoks though...  yeah, well if they find him, who knows.  I still have to wonder, would the Alliance have intervened on the Ewoks eating prisoners?  Or would they just let that stuff go?
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: Jayson on September 12, 2012, 11:08 PM
I see a communicator there.  :-\  To me, that looks just like Ford, what you can see, so I always assumed it was Ford...  It was definitely Han's idea, but it's totally plausible he sent some random schmuck up to do it too, so if that is a stache I could go either way on the scenario then I guess.  It really looks like he has a hood on under the helmet too which is weird...  I forget if the pilots we see close-ups of look like they have a hood on too.

If you watch the scene, the area the arrow is pointing to moves in sync with the dialogue - separate from the communicator.

(http://www.yakfaceforums.com/jayson/ROTJ_ATSThan2.jpg)
(http://www.yakfaceforums.com/jayson/ROTJ_ATSThan3.jpg)
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: Jesse James on September 12, 2012, 11:11 PM
That's a REALLY low mustache though...  look where the tip of his nose is. :)
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: Jayson on September 12, 2012, 11:14 PM
That's a REALLY low mustache though...  look where the tip of his nose is. :)

Maybe it's one of those tall Magnum P.I. mustachios?  ;)

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/5/10/1241994453366/Tom-Selleck-MAGNUM-P-I-001.jpg)
(http://www.yakfaceforums.com/jayson/ROTJ_ATSThan4.jpg)
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: Jesse James on September 12, 2012, 11:41 PM
This is a disturbing conversation.
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: Jayson on September 12, 2012, 11:48 PM
I've been drinking, but I stick by my original assessment.  ;)
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: Mister Skeezler on September 13, 2012, 09:44 AM
I think I would chalk up the appearance of the hood to the combination of helmet straps & Han's moppy haircut. As for the moustache, Harrison Ford has some pretty pronounced upper lip area, that might appear like a moustache when top lit like in that shot...

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2010/8/13/1281696650545/Han-Solo-006.jpg)

Guys, it's a pretty simple explanation...

Step 1: Han "Wait! I've got an idea."

Step 2: Han Solo wearing a helmet and gloves, and not showing anything else "It's over commander...blah, blah, blah..."

Step 3: Han Solo surprising the reinforcement troops with a grin and shoulder shrug.

If it looks like Han Solo, sounds like Han Solo, ends with Han Solo and was Han Solo's idea, then it's Han Solo.

Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: Mister Skeezler on September 13, 2012, 09:45 AM
Thanks for breaking this one out into it's own thread, by the way! It's nice to have a good, healthy debate again.
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on September 13, 2012, 10:15 AM
I think that is clearly ford in that screen grab. 

It also reinforces Han's "I'll fool them by pretending to be one of them" that he tried in the Death Star in ANH.   RotJ is all about revisiting themes from the other films, especially with Han.
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: Scockery on September 13, 2012, 10:40 AM
Is that the only time in the Original Trilogy we see "view screens" used instead of hologram communications (or audio only)? I guess there's the Probot siginal. Yes, I still call it a probot.
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on September 13, 2012, 11:36 AM
Doesn't vader use a screen of sorts to communicate when he executes Admiral Ozzel?
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: SnTrooper on September 13, 2012, 11:40 AM
That is clearly Harrison Ford. Look at the line to the left of his nose.
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: P-Siddy on September 13, 2012, 12:53 PM
I believe it is Han in the video... perhaps the gloved hand is from a dead pilot and someone just is holding the hand in front of Han's face and the fleshy parts looked like fingers to me, depressing the actuator on the mic.
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: Nicklab on September 13, 2012, 03:18 PM
Totally couldn't give a toss about a moustache vs no-moustache.  It's a marginal version of Han Solo, and I was surprised that Hasbro decided to go there a few years ago when they made him back in 2004.  A version which includes him holding the communicator, BTW.

To me, this is a lower priority for the next Han Solo figure than say, a carbon freeze chamber Han.  That's a figure that seems to be far more worthy of a modern resculpt.  If Hasbro wants to revise AT-ST Driver disguise Han Solo based on the new AT-ST Drivers AFTER they get to Carbon Freeze chamber Han, then fine.  But it should be lower in the pecking order of upcoming Han Solo figures.
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: Scockery on September 13, 2012, 03:58 PM
Doesn't vader use a screen of sorts to communicate when he executes Admiral Ozzel?

Oh, yeah. He was too lazy to get up.

See movies a 100 times and forget stuff.  :-[
Title: Re: Time for a Han in AT-ST Driver Gear Update?
Post by: warinthefloor on September 25, 2012, 10:37 AM
I totally just put a chicken walker helmet on my fav Endor han