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Collectibles => Past Hasbro 3.75" Lines => The Legacy Collection => Topic started by: Jesse James on March 13, 2008, 03:47 AM
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According to one of SSG's questions this week, a repaint wave is upon us again this year, and again due to some production issue/delay that's pushed a decent wave of figures out for a wave of figures we probably didn't want or need...
So, with that in mind... What do you want? What could Hasbro possibly redeco that we'd care about?
Me, I don't have a clue at the moment... Repaints aren't necessarilly all bad, but if you're like me, a lot of them aren't real high on the list of wants... Some maybe, like the Hawkbat Batallion Clone was really cool and desired (to me at least), but R2-B1, Red Naboo Dude, Pax Bonkik and stuff just seemed meh... Some ones I could stand though?
-Imperial Techie... A kitbash of the "Imperial Officer" from the waist up, with the bendable knee legs of the POTJ/etc. TIE Pilot pack-in figure. The legs fit PERFECTLY and are the correct sculpt even for the jumpsuit! How can you go wrong here? Sure it's not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than a non-poseable leg version. :) Give him a light grey deco with the silver/black Impy Logo patches on his shoulders, and you have a pretty rockin' figure for your Destroyer bridge, or just hanging around in your Imperial hangar you don't have. Include the scanner box as an accessory, as it is a cool box, and a gun, and you're set.
-E or U-3PO... Would it be so wrong to get Endor C-3PO in simple silver chrome? Include some kind of junk accessory, and that'd be neat I think. A Bespin Sculpture would be equally cool for whichever one of those two was on Bespin. All I know is, silver protocol droids are cool, and cooler when they dont' have the TC-14 sculpt disadvatnages.
-Ewok 2-pack... Simple logic would tell you to put the Romba/Graak pack out with radically different decorations. Instant new Ewok figures. Hasbro is dumb not to do this, I have deemed it so.
-Wookiee Warrior... I may be in the minority, but I love the Preview Wookiee and I'd take a new one. If they could slip the new battlepack belt/gear on him and maybe whip up a new gun (headsculpt?), that'd be simply outstanding. Not likely, but outstanding.
-Orange R5 Droid... The ANH Mos Eisley R5 that rolls by during the Sandtrooper questioning. I love that push pop colored R5, as it's so 70's Retro.
-Light Blue Power Droid... Make it a 2-pack Hasbro! Pack the light blue Power Droid from Mos Eisley in with the R5. Instant awesomeness. Or, tickle the balls of vintage fans by making a dark blue "vintage" repaint of the gonk droid... That would make people cry with joy.
-White IG Droid... Another Bespin lame-o, take the vintage IG-88 and give him the worn white deco of the junk IG droid on Bespin whose name currently escapes me. I'd dig that, and so would Jesus.
Now, things NOT to do...
-Stormtrooper, Scout, or Snowtrooper repaints... Don't do it, please.
-No Clone repaint you made up Hasbro, please... Stop ruining Clone fun for us all.
-No Vader's... Enough with Vader already. It's offensive at this point.
I'm pretty open to most anything else, but the above would just make me groan I think. As it is, a repaint wave bumping something possibly OT-oriented, is annoying. It's already a fairly OT-dry year, or at least feels that way, so the thought of a repaint wave is just a little bit of a bummer. Repaints at $8 are even bigger bummers too.
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Not necessarily what I want but we could get,
41st Elite Legion Clone Trooper (Gray and white armor)
Clone Trooper - Training Fatigues (Blue)
Some Hologram figure (Hasbro loves these)
Battle Droid 2-Pack (Pilot and Security)
An Astromech Droid
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The repaint wave is a little disappointing to me. That is one wave I probably would have skipped much of last year if it wasn't for completing the coin album, and this time it will be the Build-a-Droid. I'm sure there are some nifty repaints they could actually think of (like Jesse's ewoks idea - and the rest), so hopefully we'll get some decent figures out of it. Personally, I hope at least some are OT-based, and enough with repainted clones. Lord knows we'll be cloned out by that point anyways, if we aren't already.
Looking at that answer, I'm trying to figure out what is up for the rest of the year. They list that "waves 1 and 3 will contain four build-a-droid astromechs", when what we have seen are waves 1 and 2 (ROTJ and Clone Wars) both containing astros. Maybe its just a typo. Then they say that there are 24 remaining figures after that, with the "4 subsequent waves containing protocol droids". So, by that logic, does that mean we've got four waves of 6 coming after the first two waves that we've seen? If so, we know one is repaints, and one is ROTS. It really could be a light OT year, but hopefully some of those other remaining waves (or all of them) will be OT-based.
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Not necessarily what I want but we could get,
41st Elite Legion Clone Trooper (Gray and white armor)
Clone Trooper - Training Fatigues (Blue)
Some Hologram figure (Hasbro loves these)
Battle Droid 2-Pack (Pilot and Security)
An Astromech Droid
Some of those are really good ideas Rune.
I'd definitely take the Clone Trooper - Training Fatigues (Blue) and the Battle Droid 2-Pack (Pilot and Security). As to the hologram figure, how about your namesake and Nute Gunray as holograms. Okay just one of them obviously for this wave. And astromech is almost a given. I'd prefer the yellow R5 droid as seen on Tatooine.
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Or, tickle the balls of vintage fans
I'd certainly take a ball-tickling :-*. Lol, I tell you what, the orange R5 sounds great, but even moreso I'd love the red leader R5 with the red and black paint scheme. Definitely a Mos Eisley gonk (perhaps with a repaint of the TAC Jawa) and the ewoks- though maybe for variety they could give us a 2-pack repaint using Chirpa's (not-too-articulated unfortunately) body and Graak's body. Though my ultimate repaint desire is the Spirit Obi-Wan in solid colors. That is to me the best Old Ben we've gotten so far, and I'd buy 3 or more for various ANH dioramas.
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Some of those are really good ideas Rune.
I'd definitely take the Clone Trooper - Training Fatigues (Blue) and the Battle Droid 2-Pack (Pilot and Security). As to the hologram figure, how about your namesake and Nute Gunray as holograms. Okay just one of them obviously for this wave. And astromech is almost a given. I'd prefer the yellow R5 droid as seen on Tatooine.
If we got the Battle Droid 2-Pack I'd hope it'd be the POTJ Security Battle Droid sculpt for both of them, and not the Saga Legends.
As for the hologram, if they'd release a Gunray hologram I'd rather it be the canceled TPM version, it has more articulation than the regular TPM Gunray.
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I hope we get the holo Nute. As for repaints there could be some good ones. As mentioned Ewoks make sense and would be awesome. I know i would like a vintage style Power Droid as well. I have had enough with repainted clones so no more of those.
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Though my ultimate repaint desire is the Spirit Obi-Wan in solid colors. That is to me the best Old Ben we've gotten so far, and I'd buy 3 or more for various ANH dioramas.
That is a great idea, and one that many of us around here have been hoping for. Hopefully that's a repaint they can do in this wave. I like the other ideas here as well. Hopefully it will be a better overall lineup than the last repaint wave (some were good, some so not). If we were going to get more polka dot clones and things along those lines, I'd just as soon see them repack the VOTC Han or EB Chewie in there, just to get a nice figure along with a build-a-droid piece.
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Repaints eh? Sometimes these can be really good... Personally I loved the Pax... much, much cooler looking than a Greedo, especially the skin tone... slap a black VSTC Han Solo vest on him and you have a cool group of Rodian thugs.
(http://chewie34.250free.com/in74.jpg)
As for more repaints? I think the're's a rich choice of possibilities, and I guess a wave of this nature would have around 8 figures, right? Assuming that, here's my choices -
TAC Po Nudo - Just a different color of robe and maybe make the skin darker and you have another Aqualish Separatist.
TAC Nelvin Anakin - Just throw a different set of legs on this, and remove the tattoos and you have a ROTS version of him without the shirt.
TAC Death Star Trooper - Instead of black, make his uniform gray.
TAC Airborne Trooper - Wouldn't it be cool to see one in pure white without any markings?
TAC Jawa w/ POTF2 Gonk - Seems this would do fine, just update the paint schemes.
ROTS SA Clone - Give it the gray markings from the ones we see on Coruscant that are preparing to depart for Coruscant.
POTC Pablo Jill - Just alter his cloak color slightly, or skin tone. Whatever, just get him back on the pegs.
Tantive IV Stormtrooper - A pretty good Stormie that hasn't been on a regular card yet. If you feel the need, throw an ever-so slight amount of weathering on him, though I think just plain white would be fine. Repaint? Not really. But a great figure.
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41st Elite Legion Clone Trooper (Gray and white armor)
ROTS SA Clone - Give it the gray markings from the ones we see on Coruscant that are preparing to depart for Coruscant.
Haven't we essentially been saturated with this figure through both EVO releases (2005 & 2008) and the SL Clone Commander?
Even though this is my favorite Clone deco, I wouldn't want this re-re-released just to fill a potential repaint wave slot.
As for my picks I'll have to give it some thought. :P
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TAC Po Nudo - Just a different color of robe and maybe make the skin darker and you have another Aqualish Separatist.
If you mean Nudo's aide from ROTS, then no, he needs a completely new sculpt. :P
Haven't we essentially been saturated with this figure through both EVO releases (2005 & 2008) and the SL Clone Commander?
Even though this is my favorite Clone deco, I wouldn't want this re-re-released just to fill a potential repaint wave slot.
Using the SA ROTS sculpt, which we haven't gotten yet.
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Haven't we essentially been saturated with this figure through both EVO releases (2005 & 2008) and the SL Clone Commander?
Even though this is my favorite Clone deco, I wouldn't want this re-re-released just to fill a potential repaint wave slot.
Using the SA ROTS sculpt, which we haven't gotten yet.
Yeah, I realize the sculpt is different. My objection was to another clone with this deco.
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I too hope it's clone free. Here are my thoughts:
1. TAC Jawa w/ POTF2 Gonk - Expanding on Chewie's suggestion make the Gonk vintage style!
2. White IG-88
3. R5-K6 (Red Leader's astromech)
4. TC-14 (Endor C-3P0 body)
5. Sora Bulk as Dark Jedi
6. Ewok Warrior 2-pack
7. Hoth Rebel Pilot (Use that new Evo tool and slap a head on it)
8. Geonosian Warrior (Another Sun Fac Repaint but painted like Saga Style)
Here are my runner up picks:
1. Tie Pilot (Saga2 DSG with Fell helmet/chest gear)
2. Endor Rebel Nik Sant (Use Evo Dooku head)
3. Slap Abe's head on a kitbashed body to make the other Duro in the Cantina.
4. #41 Clone with grey markings (I agree there is a very good chance we will see this one)
5. Clone Wars Arc space whale pilot (Evo repainted)
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Although I haven't done it myself, I thought I remembered reading here that putting the TIE gear from the comic pack Baron Fel figure on the TSC Death Star Gunner made a pretty spiffy, SA TIE Pilot (if I'm remembering correctly). That wouldn't be a bad figure to see out there again too (since we seem to only get them with TIE exclusives right now), although I guess it isn't technically a repaint either.
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Interesting development. There's definitely the potential for some decent repaints. Off the top of my head I'd like to see the following:
-R5-A7 - Naboo Royal Starship
-Red Leader's R5 unit
-Almost any protocol droid repaint (E-3PO, U-3PO, TC-4)
-Clone in Training gear - blue uniform
-41st Elite Clone - SA #41 version (the Evolutions version was better suited to the officer, and the battle pack version was inferior)
-Galactic Marine - white version from the comic 2-pack
-Endor Rebel Trooper - Give the most recent version a head swap
-Tycho - grey flightsuit repaint
-Bespin Luke - the VTAC version with battle wear/damage
-Imperial tech - a grey version of the POTJ/SAGA Imperial Officer
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Although I haven't done it myself, I thought I remembered reading here that putting the TIE gear from the comic pack Baron Fel figure on the TSC Death Star Gunner made a pretty spiffy, SA TIE Pilot (if I'm remembering correctly). That wouldn't be a bad figure to see out there again too (since we seem to only get them with TIE exclusives right now), although I guess it isn't technically a repaint either.
Yep I posted it here. (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12813.msg332814#msg332814)
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41st Elite Legion Clone Trooper (Gray and white armor)
ROTS SA Clone - Give it the gray markings from the ones we see on Coruscant that are preparing to depart for Coruscant.
Haven't we essentially been saturated with this figure through both EVO releases (2005 & 2008) and the SL Clone Commander?
Even though this is my favorite Clone deco, I wouldn't want this re-re-released just to fill a potential repaint wave slot.
As for my picks I'll have to give it some thought. :P
This is one clone I wish we would get carded or in a Battle Pack (SA version only). Hasbro could have done this with the grey commander had they not added the battle damage and just included the grunt belt as an extra accessory. I suggested that in a Q&A on another forum. They thought it was a great idea, but it was too far along in the process to change it. Too bad too, as I only bought about a dozen of the commander (to be customed to grunts-whereas I would have bought 40 of them had they had the optional grunt belt and no or less battle damage).
-Sal
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Although I haven't done it myself, I thought I remembered reading here that putting the TIE gear from the comic pack Baron Fel figure on the TSC Death Star Gunner made a pretty spiffy, SA TIE Pilot (if I'm remembering correctly). That wouldn't be a bad figure to see out there again too (since we seem to only get them with TIE exclusives right now), although I guess it isn't technically a repaint either.
Yep I posted it here. (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12813.msg332814#msg332814)
That's the one, thanks Jayson :).
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My thoughts are that the gray Coruscant scheme is a great color scheme, but they haven't done it on the right mold yet... I hate the "Attack on Coruscant" set (or whatever it's called) because they used the deluxe clone sculpt, and the Evolutions clone is too dirty/has the balloon helmet, which I can't stand.
If they did that scheme on the SA sculpt, I'd get about 8-10 of them.
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That's one clone I'd probably still buy some of as well, the SA mold with the gray markings. Really, aside from the orange Utapau troops, that's the clone that has the most "troops" seen in ROTS. It seemed to be visible more than any "all white" ones that we've seen so much.
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That's one clone I'd probably still buy some of as well, the SA mold with the gray markings. Really, aside from the orange Utapau troops, that's the clone that has the most "troops" seen in ROTS. It seemed to be visible more than any "all white" ones that we've seen so much.
Exactly. They were seen in the Republic cruisers at the beginning during the battle, then on the shipyard docks preparing to lift off, greeting Yoda, and talking with Wookiees. It's one clone I'd buy many of, evn though I've sworn off large army building now. Though i don't think I'd get the 40 or so I had originally wanted. But, 10 or 12 might do.
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I actually kinda dig some of the repaint waves. There are some figures fans keep asking Hasbro to do, so this lets Hasbro check off a bunch of figures at once. Sometimes we get something kinda cool (red Naboo trooper, R5-J2, various Clones) and sometimes Hasbro gives us what we ask for with mixed results (R2-B1, 2006 Kashyyyk Trooper-- which for the record I totally dig.)
And for the "I wish" portion...
- Boba Fett redeco. Either a full-on, slime-free Marvel version of a "proto" version with the yellow gauntlet, brown gloves, and other pre-release wackiness.
- Han Solo in Carbonite. I liked the 2006 Carbonite, but I want it in non-melty colors. I don't want another Han though, so let's have fun and package it with a red repaint of Bar2-D2. It's hard to see but there's a red serving droid working for Jabba the Hutt in ROTJ. I don't know its name and I have no reference handy. If no droid, maybe a Gamorrean repaint would be nice since he's been out of circulation since 2004.
- Red Stormtroopers. Lumiya had a bunch of Stormtroopers in red armor which were, I believe, Royal Guards. As such, I also want a set of these. And a Lumiya to go with it, but I'll take the troops for now.
- Geezum. SOme pictures look like you MIGHT be able to fudge one by sticking a Snaggletooth head on a Tusken body, perhaps with swapped arms. Hey, I'm dreaming big here.
- Yoxgit. Ugnaught head on Snaggletooth body. Let's get this one over with. Heck, pack it with the Carbonite too.
- Fan's choice. Let fans vote on the repaint. Why not? It'd be fun.
I'll be happy as long as they don't try and pull out Trax Bonkik.
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Here's some I'd like to see, mostly army builders. I don't know how many more main characters we could get repainted, honestly.
- 30AC Jawa (maybe with some weathering and a new droid)
- White V30AC IG-88 (good idea, whoever first suggested it; maybe pack in an Ugnaught?)
- V30AC Snowtrooper (I was only able to get one Vinty one and I want more!)
- TSC Sun Fac (give it different colors and we've got a new Geonosian Warrior)
- 30AC Super Battle Droid (give it more weathering or something)
- 30AC Rebel Honor Guard (maybe painted tan?)
- ROTS R4-G9 (repainted as a clean R2-D2... NO RUBBERY LEGS LIKE ALL THE OTHER REPAINTS HAVE)
- 30AC Graak and Romba (repaints for more Ewok varieties)
And a kitbash for the wave... I suggest Luke on Dagobah from when he pouts after being unable to lift the X-Wing. Take the Vintage Bespin Luke legs and arms and the OTC Dagobah Luke Torso and throw in some sort of plastic vest (maybe the one from the TAC Torture Rack Han?) Yeah, some people would think it's lame but I'd like to see it.
Another kitbash I'd like to see is a Shadows of the Empire Luke... get a good ROTJ Luke head, put it on a VOTC Han body (and use the 30AC Bespin Han legs, Luke didn't have the holster) and voila, a new Luke.
Of course, what I'd really like to see is a wave with all of the McQuarrie figures repacked in it. Why can't we just have that Hasbro?
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my repaint/repack wave
Death Star Squad Commander (30AC DS Trooper with new head)
Ewoks (Repaint of Romba and Graak)
Scanning Crew Trooper (Kitbash of Officer and DS Gunner)
Human Y-Wing Pilot (30AC A-Wing Pilot in Y-Wing colors & new head)
Death Star Droid (painted Silver)
Snowtrooper (VTSC Repack) I also want more
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I'd like to see this one get an "alive" paint scheme -
(http://www.yakface.com/TGuide2004/ActionFigures/otc/otc03/cf.jpg)
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Here's what I'd like to see in a repaint wave:
TAC Jawa w/POTF2 Gonk Droid (vintage style repaint)
TAC Death Star Trooper (grey vintage style repaint)
OTC Spirit of Obi-Wan Kenobi ('alive' repaint)
VTAC IG-88 (white repaint) w/POTF2 Ugnaught
TSC Wulf Yularen (accurate pants repaint)
TAC Clone Trooper in Training Gear (blue repaint)
TAC Romba and Graak (new Ewoks repaints)
Evolutions Ten Nunb (red repaint w/new head)
POTF2 Death Star Droid (silver repaint) w/Mouse Droid
Evolutions Clone Pilot (CW cartoon ARC repaint)
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What I'd really like to see out of this are the following:
1. 2008 30AC Death Star Trooper in Gray (ala the vintage Death Squad Commander)
2. 2005 ROTS SA Clone Trooper (in 41st Elite Gray Markings with NO battle damage)
3. 2008 30AC CZ-4 (repainted white to be CZ-3)
4. 2008 30AC Romba and Graak (redecos with new names)
5. 2008 Evolutions Ten Nunb (with red flight suit)
6. 2006 Vintage TSC Biker Scout (with Rebel soldier head underneath flip-up visor)
I'd like to see them stay away from individually carded astromech and protocol droid repaints, as that seems to be what is making up the BAF/Droid Factory lineup, but that's probably just me.
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Some good ideas... I too would like the Death Squad Commander repaint, but part of me wishes they'd do some new leg sculpting to the figure too... The 30AC figure was real poseable, and that's great, but the leg sculpting was sub-par... I'd still like the figure though and probably shouldn't hope for an "improvement" to the existing figure, so a redeco is all there is to hope for.
I'd also say I'd dig the Imp. Death Star Trooper/Technician from Return of the Jedi. They were simply in the black jumpsuits instead of the tunic and trousers. Take my idea for the Imp. Officer re-release with the POTJ TIE Pilot legs for poseability, and slap the POTF2 Death Star Trooper head on it (another perfect fit), and that'd work for me personally.
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I don't mind the repaint waves, really, so long as the choices are smart. So, I would like to see:
Death Sqaud Commander (DST gray): the earth will explode if they don't do this, seeing how nearly everyone on every board wants it.
Any OT/PT R5 droid.
Ewoks (repaint Romba and Graak, or even the new guy)
Y-Wing Pilot (repaint A-Wing Pilot)
Death Star Droid (repaint RA-7)
R2-D2 (Sneak Preview R4 repaint)
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-R5-A7 - Naboo Royal Starship
-Red Leader's R5 unit
-Ewoks
-Rebel PIlots
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Why am I not surprised? :P
Well, high on my list are:
Grey Death Star Trooper
Grey Imperial Tech (imperial office)
Any R5 repaint (red leaders preferred)
CZ-3
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I definitely would not mind that Obi-Wan in flesh colors. We need a really definitive SA Old Ben, it's amazing how great versions of the main characters are still missing. I am starting to believe Hasbro does this on purpose to keep us coming back.....
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I'd actually also like to see a Gree repaint (plain white or 212th Battalion) in this wave.
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SA Gray 41st Elite Legion Clone Tropper is in this Wave says Hasbro! ;D
http://yodasnews.com/
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Which one is that?
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The ROTS Coruscant staging area Clones.
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Since I only collect OT-era Imperials, I can only offer my opinions on those chars, but... some I'd like to see are:
1) Death Star Commander - Yes! A very needed character who would be easy to make
2) I second the red Stormies, although I know alot of purists will hate them. I think they are cool and I'm sure they'd sell strongly.
3) The gray Imperial technician idea above is a good one, although the arms of the "Imperial Officer" figure are so limited and awful. Perhaps use differenly jointed arms so they can straighten out?
4) My biggest want, however is...
A repaint of the excellent ROTS Red Guard, to make a new RotJ Royal Guard! His sculpt is superb, in fact one of the best Hasbro has ever made, period. Give him black gloves and more red/black armor rather than the purple (or just use Kir Kanos if Hasbro is REALLY lazy), and use the nicer robe material from the TFU Shadow Guard, but red. Also a force pike (from an older figure) instead of the gun. This would be an unbeatable figure. For bonus points make the robe removable so he could be in a sort of "battle-ready" situation if desired.
I'd like to see more Imperial EU if possible, and this might be attainable through this wave.
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New rumor list from Curto (http://www.rebelscum.com/story/front/One_More_Rumor_List_For_The_Legacy_Collection_115555.asp) says this wave is Wave 4 and apparently ANH is bumped to Wave 5.
Wave 4: Repaints & Repacks Basic Figures
- Coruscant Landing Platform Clone Trooper
- Count Dooku (Hologram)
- Imperial Engineer (from Star Wars: Battlefront II)
- Jodo Kast (from Star Wars: Twin Engines of Destruction)
- Saleucami Trooper (from Treachery on Saleucami Battle Pack)
- Yaddle & Even Piell (from Jedi High Council screen scenes)
- B-A-D: RA-7 ("Death Star Droid")
Ugh. ::)
While there are a few things in there I like (Landing Platform Gray #41 Clone), I can see I'm going to get stuck with a lot of crap if I want to build this wave's RA-7 droid (i'm looking at you Yaddle and Holo Dooku >:().
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Sigh. Well, at least the B-A-D concept is moving over to other droid types such as the excellent and sleek RA-7 style. That said, I hope he's a crazy-colored one that I don't feel I need to get.
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Wow, I'm a bit disappointed by the lineup as well. Like Jeff said, there's a couple of figures that I like - but there's going to be a lot of crap to buy to get the Build-a-Droid (which I will likely want). It just seems like there were some better choices for this wave, particularly the figures that are just repacks (Jedi, Saleucami Trooper, etc.)
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Pass on everything from this horrible wave. I'll wait for the eventual RA-7 rerelease.
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Anyone know what the "Imperial Engineer" looks like? If he's cool I'll definately grab a few.
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It's an AT-ST driver (and a TIE pilot in space levels and an AT-AT driver in cold environments) and since these are repacks and repaints I'd assume we'll get the AT-AT driver from 2006 with some tools for accessories since it's the best figure out of the 3 that Hasbro has available.
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Hmmm.. that AT-AT figure is a great sculpt, with good articulation... yeah I'd take a few in a different paint scheme. The AT-ST driver from the recent Battle Pack isn't quite as inspiring, and if they choose that figure I hope they at least swap in some reasonably good arms.
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I'm only really disappointed in Piell/Yaddle. Custom fodder I guess, but at the end of the day what a waste those two are... Hopefully they have lightsabers to make them at least remotely interesting apart from their original figures. Lameness personified though.
I dig holo Dooku actually... Separatists need a leader to talk to via satelite too I suppose. I think a lot of the gummy Jedi were much lamer.
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I guess I am the only one looking forward to this wave then, considering I dont have the clone troopers or the jedi. lol It is good from my pov but I can see why those who already have the jedi are not looking forward to it.
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Lack-luster wave for me too. If the Imperial engineer is from BFII, wouldn't he be just a repaint from the BFII set?
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My thoughts on this wave:
• Coruscant Landing Platform Clone Trooper: cool, I "might" army build this one. At the least I'll get 2 squads to help (5 in each squad)
• Count Dooku (Hologram): excellent. I'll get one of him
• Imperial Engineer (from Star Wars: Battlefront II): someone refresh my memory, which one is this?? Are we talking another Imp gunner or AT-AT driver?? I'll get one for the droid part.
• Jodo Kast: I'd pass but for the new droid piece
• Saleucami Trooper: never liked the one with the FIXED visor on the front of the helmet. I'll get one for the new droid piece only-sigh
• Yaddle & Even Piell: one for the droid piece. Not really interested in the jedi, unles they are new or significant upgrades.
• B-A-D: RA-7 ("Death Star Droid") I'm hoping this is the silver version of RA-7. If not, and it's the previous black version, then I may pass on several of these figures.
So by the look of the droid it is new. Wow, other than the Coruscant clone, and Dooku, I'm not excited by the wave. One of each other than the Coruscant clone. Hmm, cheap wave for me!
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Lack-luster wave for me too. If the Imperial engineer is from BFII, wouldn't he be just a repaint from the BFII set?
I hate to come off as a know-it-all jackass, but some folks are getting the Imperials confused with the Republic Troopers. The BF II sets were based on the Republic and Seperatist factions... the Imperial faction is completely different, like the movies.
I'm thinking the this will be a Death Star Gunner figure with a gray jumpsuit. It would be nice if Hasbro included an AT-ST Driver Helmet to make the figure similar to the game(s). (The costumes changed depending on what planet you fought on)
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If I had played the game more, that would have occurred to me. :P
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I am all for this wave, the Holo Dooku & the Jedi 2pk are a the only two that would have been a pass for me, but to Complete the BAD I guess I'll pick them up to complete it. Unless it is Droid I already have.
The three troops are army builders and I am all over another Mondo.
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Looks like this wave was officially confirmed in the Release Guide (http://www.hasbro.com/common/images/news/starwars//StarWars2008LAUNCHLINEUP.pdf):
BD #17 Coruscant Clone Trooper
BD #18 Jodo Kast
BD #19 Yaddle & Evan Piell
BD #20 Saleucami Clone Trooper
BD #21 Holographic Count Dooku
BD #22 Imperial Engineer (Battlefront II)
and
Build-A-Droid #5 - 5D6-RA-7 Protocol Droid
Planned to hit stores on or around 9/25/08.
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Guess we'll see these at Comic-con for sure.
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I'm all about finally getting Jodo Kast.
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Isn't it strange, but I'm excited about Jodo Kast as well...the most obvious repaint of all time, but a figure I've wanted since the line started.
Edit: Found a picture of this wave over at Galactic Hunter too...
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg27/TK-412/PosterSideA_w.jpg)
now what's the difference between an Imperial Engineer and a Gunner..?
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This wave is pretty weak. What sucks for me is the silver RA droid no doubt will be the BAD fig. Sigh. :(
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This wave is pretty weak. What sucks for me is the silver RA droid no doubt will be the BAD fig. Sigh. :(
Yeah, I thought the same thing. This is one of the waves that I might have skipped some of the figures, if not for the Build a Droid. I like a couple out of there, but could have probably done without a few others with all the spending coming in the second half of the year again this year.
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now what's the difference between an Imperial Engineer and a Gunner..?
APPARENTLY NO CHEST ARMOR......
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Here's a larger scan of the poster...
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/7-08/tn_TLC_sdcc08_poster_1.jpg) (http://www.jedidefender.com/image.pl?http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/7-08/TLC_sdcc08_poster_1.jpg)
clicky for larger image
Apparently it was give out at the Singapore Toy Show and will also be given out at SDCC.
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What is that large cloaked stormtrooper next to Gen. Greivous?
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Do Yaddle and Peill look like they have been updated a litte to anyone else?
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Do Yaddle and Peill look like they have been updated a litte to anyone else?
Yes, they do appear to be updated paint wise. That's a good enough upgrade for stupid characters.
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What is that large cloaked stormtrooper next to Gen. Greivous?
Commander Faie. (sp?)
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Commander Faie, who was drawn up as concept art for Clones and scrapped as a movie Clone...
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He's concept art? That's kinda cool, I'm a sucker for that kind of stuff. I always thought he was a comic book character.
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I think he turned into a comic figure too... Sorta. Commander "keller" from the WM comic pack with the Marine sorta was a knock-off of Faie... More or less. Faie looks pretty similar with maybe a helmet change, if anything?
Keller was basically a repainted Airborne Trooper with cloth skirt and cloth cloak just like Faie's is there.
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Ah, Keller. That's who I was thinking about.
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Although not terribly exciting, this wave looks pretty decent. Jodo Kast is a must-have for me, and I surprisingly like that holo Dooku. I hope the BF2 Imperial Engineer has more gear than just a standard blaster. Perhaps an all-new fusion cutter?
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So looking over the photo blown up a bit...
-Salecumai Trooper seems to just be a clean Neyo
-Yaddle & Piell seem to maybe have a little better paint aps and lightsabers
-"Imperial Engineer" seems unchanged unless the last one didn't have an Imp Logo on the helmet? I don't have one handy to look.
-Jodo Kast seems to just be Vintage Fett (note the poseable range finder).
-Dooku looks like Evolutions Dooku with a molded cape from a previous Dooku (but I can't tell which).
Man, Piell/Yaddle and the DS Gunner are gonna hurt to buy, hah.
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From Rebelscum (http://www.rebelscum.com/story/front/CJ_Hasbro_2Sided_Poster_In_HighRez_116176.asp):
(http://www.rebelscum.com/CJ/Hasbroposter/SWposter1-9.jpg) (http://www.rebelscum.com/CJ/Hasbroposter/SWposter1-5.jpg) (http://www.rebelscum.com/CJ/Hasbroposter/SWposter1-6.jpg) (http://www.rebelscum.com/CJ/Hasbroposter/SWposter1-7.jpg) (http://www.rebelscum.com/CJ/Hasbroposter/SWposter1-8.jpg) (http://www.rebelscum.com/CJ/Hasbroposter/SWposter1-10.jpg)
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Looking forward to Faie, the two little people Jedi, the Imp Engineer. Maybe its just the sample, but how come the holographic Dooku doesn't have a holographic lightsaber hilt? Haven't all the other holographic figures had holographic weapons? Maybe they'll fix before they release it.
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The two Jedi are my must-haves
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Not bad for a repaint wave. It seems like they put a little thought into this wave.
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Outside of the Neyo clone I agree. The Neyo Clone is a real cop out, at least the DSG is molded in gray with a black spray wipe. Straight repacks with no upgrade on paint jobs are for the Legends asst. They should have made a worthy repaint like R5-K6 (Red Leader's) or repaint the Rebel honor Guard in Tan...something better than Neyo.
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jodo kast doesnt look like a VOTC fett....looks more like a saga 2 fett with that crappy action feature :'(
Vintage fett had more rounded out shoulders, this one does not and the shoulder pads dont stick out as much :'(
Way to ruin a good character Hasblow.
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I like the Imp Engineer, but if we were getting a BF2 figure I'd rather have gotten the Bothan Spy or Rebel Smuggler, but those wouldn't have been a repaint. Maybe a kitbash, but not a repaint.
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I like the Imp Engineer, but if we were getting a BF2 figure I'd rather have gotten the Bothan Spy or Rebel Smuggler, but those wouldn't have been a repaint. Maybe a kitbash, but not a repaint.
I thought I read somewhere a Bothan was in the works. Anyone remember when/where?
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jodo kast doesnt look like a VOTC fett....looks more like a saga 2 fett with that crappy action feature :'(
Vintage fett had more rounded out shoulders, this one does not and the shoulder pads dont stick out as much :'(
Way to ruin a good character Hasblow.
Thought the same thing there, also look at the molded wookie braids. There also looks like a swivel line right on the bicep like the saga 2 version.
Dooku-is that the Evo mold? what's up with the missing "skirt" piece. New cape?
I hope they don't fis the lightsaber, make for cool variation and could be used for a pre fall to the darkside version of Dooku saber.
Neyo-for those of you that were able to find him in the last SL wave lucky you, all I've seen is Zev, so this is welcome to me. I thought Neyo shoulder pad thing was the same color as his legion markings and not the silvery/grey like here.
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Not bad for a repaint wave. It seems like they put a little thought into this wave.
What, really? :) By "more" do you mean "less"? :) Two of the figures seem to be just renames-- RENAMES!-- unless they're holding back some accessories of an awesome nature. Hasbro's done a lot with repaint waves, with ROTS, we got 2 of 'em, and they were all pretty fancy really.
With TSC, we technically got 2 if you count Wal-Mart's, and again it was pretty robust. The astromech repaints and Aurra Sing were very nice, as were the new clones.
Dooku's pretty fancy for a holo figure-- the cape is from the 2002 Saga one (it seems), the body is from ROTS Evolutions, and I think they just up and dropped the "skirt." Oh well, that's a downer.
TAC brought us R2-B1, another couple of Clones, a holographic Vader, the Naboo guy in red, it was pretty solid.
Here, we have a 2-pack repack, 2 more repacks, and 3 figures which are par for the course (token Clone, token Holo, and the I'm-quite-excited-for-it Jodo Kast.)
I'm usually the one who gets pretty excited for these things, but man, this is a letdown. I'm glad you dig it, don't get me wrong, but if it weren't for the build-a-droid, I can't think of a reason for me to want to go near the "Imperial Engineer" and "Saleucami Trooper." I've got those. I've actually got a few of those. At least Jodo Kast is going to be cool.
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I don't regard the wave as perfect by any stretch, Adam. "Not bad" is somewhat open-ended.
Hasbro seemed to respond to the call for the Coruscant Clone Trooper. And that's really one of the last on-screen Clones to get Basic Figure treatment from REVENGE OF THE SITH. And that's a positive to me when you compare this clone with the two off-screen repaints from those TSC waves you mentioned. Those were only ever seen in reference materials and not a movie.
Jodo Kast is a positive step forward for the EU fans. And in that regard it's a positive step forward in pushing the EU in the basic figure line.
The two Jedi are okay, but not perfect. The sculpts are a little dated, but getting versions of these two Jedi on a card and with lightsabers is a positive move. Especially if you think about collectors who might have come late to the game and missed the Jedi Council screen scenes of 5 years ago.
I dig most holo figures. And I think the combination of parts for this Dooku is good. Although the missing skirt is a little curious as is the lightsaber, I think it's a good character choice. Especially since we actually have seen Dooku as a hologram in the original Clone Wars series.
The Saleucami trooper is admittedly a little weak. I'd be more receptive to a straight reissue of the Target exclusive trooper with the same unit markings over this. Especially with Commander Neyo having been released in Saga Legends just a couple of months ago.
As for the Imperial Engineer? That's not great. I think the TSC Death Star Gunner was a great figure, even with the angle cut elbows. As for trading this figure's slot with a repainted droid? I could think of a couple of decent substitutions (Red Leader's R5 unit). But I think Battlefront as a brand has some traction, and there might be an effort at work to promote the video game figures.
I think that offering more off-screen clones or EU droids might not be the best move at this point. Even if they are the easiest fodder for repaints. I think Hasbro is probably aware of the collector term "skittle clones" and might be trying to reshape their strategy. And droids might be somewhat more limited since the entire basic figure line (for this year) is designed around trying to give us more droids. More droids in fact that might not be good sellers on their own.
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I didn't say I hated the wave-- it's just that the repacks are weak, especially in this context. Jedi, OK, I can see that. But taking existing figures and calling them something new is pretty lame. If I wanted an Imperial Engineer, I can go to my Death Star Gunner, open the package, and tell him that he's going to be an engineer now, dammit, and he's going to like it. Ditto Neyo and his generic cloneliness. I like seeing new accessories, and I don't mind repacks to some extent, but in a build-a-droid wave? That's ballsy. If fans go out and re-buy the same figures with just a new droid part, I have a feeling I can guess what we can expect in 2010 and beyond.
Hopefully these repacks will have some nice extras, as merely calling them something new and packing a new droid part is really, really, really lame. (I know build-a-droid is a marketing tool to encourage collecting, but yeesh, don't run us over in the process.) This has nothing to do with the quality of figures, this has to do with the "let's call it something new and sell it again" angle. Call it a DS Gunner. Don't pretend it's something new if it isn't-- hopefully I'll be proven dead wrong and we'll see some new gizmos to go with them at the very least. If Hasbro put out an individually carded Galactic Marine and called it a "Clone Commander," I'd probably feel the exact same way. Renames suck, at least give it some EU deco or something, especially with the price increase to $8 at most stores.
One of my plastic pet peeves is in-store partial packaging theft, because I see the results on-shelf and it rarely gets cleaned up. Figure sets have parts stolen out of them and the husk of the packaging remains for days, sometimes weeks. I really hate the idea of seeing figures ripped open just to swipe the droid pieces, but if this is the best they can do with a repaint wave, I think it's a safe bet we're going to see it happen. If these sit around, especially so.
(And don't think Hasbro isn't doing "skittle clones"-- they're just going to be in the cartoon style now.:) They're still obscenely popular.)
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I think there is something positive about this particular wave. Specifically about the BAF droid. It's the black RA-7. And that droid has essentially been in figure form for some time now. The POTF2 Death Star Droid came out around what, 1997 or so? In that respect, I think it's a positive that the new BAF droid for this wave is a droid that collectors who have been in the game for some 10 years or so are likely to already own. Certainly, I would like to see some better imagery of the BAF black RA-7 for comparison's sake. But it does seem to provide an option out for longterm collectors who might want to avoid a repaint wave.
I have similar concerns about the BAF droid parts. I've seen theft of the Marvel Legends BAF parts firsthand, and it stinks. It would be nice if the retailers could police this better. But I do have hope that Hasbro is trying to foil the efforts of the mouthbreathers that are doing this. I scored a few Clone Wars figures yesterday, and the packages were genuinely somewhat difficult to open. The packaging might deter some of the scoundrels who are trying to steal the parts while they're in the store.
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I have similar concerns about the BAF droid parts. I've seen theft of the Marvel Legends BAF parts firsthand, and it stinks. It would be nice if the retailers could police this better. But I do have hope that Hasbro is trying to foil the efforts of the mouthbreathers that are doing this. I scored a few Clone Wars figures yesterday, and the packages were genuinely somewhat difficult to open. The packaging might deter some of the scoundrels who are trying to steal the parts while they're in the store.
When opening my figures-- because I am that deranged-- I often try to see if it's possible to slip out a particular piece first, in this case, the BAF parts. I wanted to see the built figures more than I wanted another Chewbacca in my living room. It really wasn't hard to make a couple of quick incisions and slide it out, and it wouldn't surprise me at all to see people do what they did during Saga/POTJ in Phoenix-- buy it, open it, take out some pieces, replace them (or don't) with older stuff, and return it. I saw at least two Geonosians with Massiffs, sans Geonosian, and resealed. I saw repainted Corps figures placed in POTJ packaging because, apparently, it was "close enough" to the employee. Some goon during ROTS here in LA would buy figures, take the blaster, and return it in a way that looked sealed if you didn't inspect the seal.
The packaging isn't going to to squat if someone really wants that droid bit. Heck, I've seen enough Joe comic packs sliced open in the front with a giant chunk removed from it and a figure missing. As long as peopple have access to the product, a consumer/thief has the ability to remove most any part(s) as they see fit.
I was always really surprised nobody swiped (or reported swiping of) 2006's Saga Collection stands. When I first heard there was going to be a "Greatest Hits" line I assumed (incorrectly) they'd have new stands with them, and found out it was supremely easy to remove just the stand from the packaging. Thankfully, that didn't happen... but I'm sure I'm not the only one who did see lots of stolen coins last year. The tape makes it harder to rip something open, but it's really easy to retape something if you're careful enough.
...and is anyone 100% positive which RA droid comes with which wave? I'm sure we can assume it's going in order of release, from left to right... but you never know sometimes. (And still, a new figure doesn't offer "a way out" if it's similar to an old one. If that were the case we wouldn't have 50 or whatever Darth Vaders in our respective collections.)
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The people who take the figures home and either do a swap of a figure or just take a part/accessory are obviously the worst offenders. I saw some GI Joe vehicle packs that were the victims of this last week. The degree of effort that's put into that is so ridiculous that you've gotta scratch your head over where that person's priorities in terms of toys/money/time may lie. But I think the new packaging might deter people who are trying to just rip open the packages in the store.
The only people who are going to put a real stop to this are the retailers. But sometimes when you're dealing with an employee who barely makes more than minimum wage, they're not going to care that much.
As for the droids allocated to each wave? The poster indicates their release sequentially, as each BAF droid is numbered on the poster. And the astromechs listed were shown in Hasbro's powerpoint presentation at Toy Fair, and were allocated to wave 1 and 2. The best indication of the droid assignments will obviously be a carded sample, but Hasbro seems to have given us the sequence for the droids already.
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Eh. A repaint wave will always be a re-paint wave. Works well for the Courescant clone, can't foul any clone repaint up too much, except for maybe the Saleucami trooper which I can't see any difference from it's BP release.
I might be in for a full squad of Courescant troopers and perhaps a few Saleucami's. The Engineer will most likely become Gunner squad leaders for me provided the outfit is sufficiently grey, so I'm only down for four.
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The only people who are going to put a real stop to this are the retailers. But sometimes when you're dealing with an employee who barely makes more than minimum wage, they're not going to care that much.
Not only that, but there's also some real issues of the toy not matching the packaging, or no real illustration of the toy appearing on the box. For example, there are a number of Transformers Energon repaints that had a photo of the *original* toy, so Ultra Magnus (a white and blue vehicle) had a picture of Overload (a red vehicle), and to make things more interesting, it also showed a bunch of car Mini-Cons when in fact space Mini-Cons were included. An employee seeing that would probably cry foul if they weren't a collector.
At the same time, G.I. Joe presents a potential problem because the 25th Anniversary toys all have illustrations of the figures, but not any photos of the toy. So it'd be really easy for someone to take another Shipwreck, or Cobra Commander, and stuff it into the packaging and return it.
Thankfully, swapping seems to have become less of an issue in recent years. But I just have a bad feeling that swapping and swiping are going to pop up again soon.
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Eh, I will buy some and others I will not.
S Trooper - I did not find the battle pack so this is a no-brainer for me. There are quite a few of us that did not. It makes sense since they released Neyo.
Grey Trooper - I may or may not get this. I think the white ones will do fine that I have but many people wanted it so it's a good repaint in my opinion.
Holo Dooku - I don't care for the holograms that much. I will skip that one.
Jodo Kast - I may or may not buy it. I am not a big fan of that story really, but it's another mandolorian figure so maybe?
Faie - I always wanted a figure of this but now that the figure is pictured I really don't want it now. I don't care for how the cloak looks. Maybe I wanted a plastic shell for the cloak? It just looks odd to me.
Gunner/Engineer - I think they just wanted another reason to put the Gunner out there for some reason. It's okay, but will skip it.
Piell/Yaddle - It is good for people that did not get the council sets. I think they will probably rot on the pegs next to all the other better options kids/collectors will be going for.
In regard to the repaint wave. I really do not know why they have a repaint wave going here in the first place? I mean they have plenty of new stuff to draw from. The Clone Wars Movie, Clone Wars CN series, 2 ROTS waves, OT stuff, Comic Packs, and Unleashed video game. I am just surprised there was even a need for it. I guess they needed a wave for the B-A-D droids.
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S Trooper - I did not find the battle pack so this is a no-brainer for me. There are quite a few of us that did not. It makes sense since they released Neyo.
Trouble is this isn't that clone though. The "other" clone trooper from the Treachery on Saleucami set had the visor/binoc piece that was molded to the helmet (http://www.yakface.com/TGuide2004/ActionFigures/tac/multipacks/03/lf40.html). So essentially this is a clean/renamed Neyo and a movie accurate (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:91st_Recon_Corps.jpg) Saleucami Trooper, but it's not the one from the WalMart BP.
As for the others in the wave, not great but not bad. I would have liked a Death Star Trooper repaint in the Gray or Olive (depending on your point of view) instead of the BFII Imperial Engineer.
Dooku-is that the Evo mold? what's up with the missing "skirt" piece. New cape?
I hope they don't fis the lightsaber, make for cool variation and could be used for a pre fall to the darkside version of Dooku saber.
It'll be interesting to see if the Dooku shown is the final product with the missing skirt piece and painted hilt and all - the cape is from the Geonosian War Chamber (http://www.yakface.com/TGuide2004/html/screenscenes/ss3.html) Screen Scene Dooku
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Not to deter from the swap conversation but after seeing crystal clear SDCC pics I am very disappointed the Jodo Kast figure is based off of the Saga2 Boba Fett. Was it too hard to use the VOTC body? Especially in a replacement wave, you need to really use good figures.
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I was dissapointed in jodo as well, but I have to admit the paint apps are pretty good. The thing I am happy about is that the BAD figure is indeed SA, and since it looks better then Jodo, Ill just consider that the Single release and Jodo the free extra ;)
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It's a shame because the Jodo paint job looks great. And yes, the SA droid is a good compensation.
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As for the others in the wave, not great but not bad. I would have liked a Death Star Trooper repaint in the Gray or Olive (depending on your point of view) instead of the BFII Imperial Engineer.
This would've been my preference as well. That 'Engineer" looks like just a DSG... I see nothing special there. I'll take another one, but really I could've used a grey DST a lot more than this figure.
The Neyo thing to me is cool, as I prefer the non-binoc trooper, but what Hasbro really could do to appease people is include both heads. Not really something that would've broken them, especially on repainted stuff they're bumping the prices up for, so I'm disappointed still to see Hasbro not take the reigns and be a little more innovative with extra heads/parts like that.
To be honest, the droid is about the only thing making this wave interesting to me. The 41st Clone maybe as well, and perhaps Dooku to a lesser extent, but the droid is what will drive me to buy the whole wave.
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If the silver Ra-7 is not the BAD in this wave, I will skip it entirely. This is the biggest let down from Hasbro for me in quite a while.
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I'm definitely going to get this wave, but I'm not going to go crazy over it. Probably just one of each to open and one of each to keep MOC.
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There are pics on the main page of some otheR Site. The Jodo figure has very strange looking shoulders. I see above its been speculated that is just a repaint of the Saga 2 Boba Fett, which looks pretty accurate to me. Which is disappointing, how come they didn't use one of the molds from the Elite Forces pack, or Evolutions pack, Vintage Boba, etc?
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TLC Wave 3 Found (http://www.rebelscum.com/story/front/TLC_Wave_3_Found_117005.asp)
Rebelscum forum member MonkeyCrumb writes in:
"Hey gang! Wave 3 found today at Target in Manhattan Beach, CA. Found everyone except for Jodo Kast. Included is a pic with my receipt."
Time to start hunting. Sucks that Jodo appears to be the HTF figure of the wave...
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Already...I am still broke from everything else.
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At this rate, we'll be have wave 4 next month and then be able to kick back for the rest of the year.
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Nice now we are 2 waves behind. ::)
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Hasbro spelled 'Even Piell' wrong. :D
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It's too bad that I'm going to skip this wave entirely since it would be nice to have the ra-7 droid. I really don't need a blue jello Dooku. I'm not sure why I need Jodo since there seems to be about five other repainted Boba Fetts coming under different names.
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^ Agreed, I don't care about this wave at all... it really is lame.
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Yeah, I think aside from maybe a figure or two, I'd likely skip this wave aside from the Build a Droid. I'd really like to get that, so I'm guessing I'll just end up picking up the whole wave. We'll see though - there just could have been some much better choices (many of which were mentioned here earlier this year) for a repaint wave. I like the Coruscant landing Clone, which is probably one of the few movie clones remaining - but not much else is too exciting.
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The BAD droid is enough of a gimmick for me to get this wave out side of the figures I do want , Imp Engineer and Coruscant Clone, versus the ones I don't, Dooku, Jedi's, Jodo and Saleucami Clone.
Can someone remind me, what's repainted about the Saleucami clone?
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Can someone remind me, what's repainted about the Saleucami clone?
It's essentially Neyo without the battle-damage/weathering.
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Thanks.
Cheep. Even for a repaint figure.
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I will get the S Trooper and grey Coruscant trooper. That is all I care to get from this wave. I may go for the "engineer". Maybe. I do like the silver RA-7 but not enough to buy each figure in the wave to get it.
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I will get the S Trooper and grey Coruscant trooper. That is all I care to get from this wave. I may go for the "engineer". Maybe. I do like the silver RA-7 but not enough to buy each figure in the wave to get it.
I thought the Silver RA-7 was the BAD for Wave 4 and that the Black RA-7 was the BAD for Wave 3? I'm so confused... ???
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Black goes with wave 3. Silver goes with wave 4.
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I will get the S Trooper and grey Coruscant trooper. That is all I care to get from this wave. I may go for the "engineer". Maybe. I do like the silver RA-7 but not enough to buy each figure in the wave to get it.
I'm with you on that, save the money buy/trade the parts.
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Didn't Hasbro say at some point that they weren't going to pack "new" droid parts with repackaged figures, making it easy for long-time collectors to skip repacks and not miss out on the droids? I fail to see how that is coming to pass, what with the Piell/Yaddle and (arguably) DSG and Saleucami Clone figures being more or less straight repacks with minimal paint changes. Oh well, no silver DSD for me I suppose, and so much for Hasbro's word on that pre-line promise. I guess it went the same way that the "increased price for comic packs means increased articulation" comment did. :-\
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Didn't Hasbro say at some point that they weren't going to pack "new" droid parts with repackaged figures, making it easy for long-time collectors to skip repacks and not miss out on the droids?
I think you have it backwards. Hasbro is going to package ONLY the current droid parts with figures. So if you get Wave 3, and it has a Wave 1 figure in it, it's going to come with whatever the Wave 3 droid parts are. This is to ensure that if a store gets a case, a customer could (in theory) buy enough parts to build the whole droid at once, assuming they were the first one to the shelves.
So if you're not a long-time collector, you're going to miss out on the earlier build-a-droids. This is probably (I assume) to encourage collectors to continue hunting and buy figures on sight for fear of not being able to assemble the droid. Or maybe to encourage case sales, as a case should always have 2 or 3 complete BAFs per box.
At the same time, there's some other variations out there. For example, there's a special repack case Entertainment Earth (and other online stores) sells with multiple Evo Troopers and Kashyyyk Troopers. Each one in the box has a *different* droid piece in order to "complete" the droid, meaning that's another extremely hard-to-find variant for those looking to get all figures with all droid parts. The Kashyyyk Troopers in this case have EITHER leg (one of each), and the Evos have both the torso and the head. So if you got this case and just cracked open the repackaged troopers, blammo, another R4-D6 for your army of dark blue droids.
It's going to get messy as we go, I'm sure.
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Here was the quote you were thinking of DP (with interesting bits bolded for those who like to skim) from an April Q&A answer (http://www.sandtroopers.com/smf/index.php?topic=8437.msg182819#msg182819):
Here is our approach: First, the Droid Factory line is designed so that collectors only have to buy one of each new (and that includes new tool as well as refreshed/updated) figure to get every part needed to complete every bonus buildable droid. If collectors just bought 1 each of figures 1-52 (approximate number we expect by end of Spring 2009) in the first wave in which they are introduced, they will have all the droids.
Second, there is some redundancy built into the lineup in two ways: there will be select "greatest hits" that round out the case packs that will carry duplicates of the droid parts (these are usually kid-targeted figures, or figures where nothing has changed so figure completists can ignore these), as well as typical carryforwards we do from wave to wave to maximize potential for certain characters. Sometimes there will be 2 of each new figure in every case, and some waves will have 1 of each new figure as well as some greatest hits/carryforwards from prior waves.
Third, when figures are carried forward from one wave to the next, they will switch to the new droids available rather than carryforward what would be an "old" part when the new droids are intro'd. So that means that when we get to Wave 2, for example, it will only be protocol droid parts in the case pack and no Astro Droid parts, and vice-versa. This is to give a more ample distribution of each new droid as our intent is to NOT make certain droids scarcer overall but to have good availability. This does mean that popular characters that will be continued across waves, such as Vader, will have several droid combinations possible depending upon how many waves he is slotted into. We are cognizant of minimizing these variations and are working to keep these combinations down for the true completist who has to have everything, but carryforwards are inevitable to satisfy our kid market.
I'm guessing they specifically put the whole "as well as refreshed/updated" statement in the first part in there as CYA for a repaint wave. :P
In the second part they clearly say "figures where nothing has changed" get redundant droid parts so collectors can skip them. Unfortunately, the repaint wave figures all have refreshed/improved/different paint aps, making them "new" enough for a new droid piece in Hasbro's eyes.
The third part of the quote was the part that Adam was talking about...
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Here was the quote you were thinking of DP (with interesting bits bolded for those who like to skim) from an April Q&A answer (http://www.sandtroopers.com/smf/index.php?topic=8437.msg182819#msg182819):
Yep, that's the exact one I was thinking of. Thanks, Jeff. :)
The one (or two) that actually bothers me most about this wave is the Piell/Yaddle set. Clone and EU Mandalorian repaints I can handle (even if I don't actually want 2/3 of them), a holographic figure is okay, and even the DSG/BFII slight repaint is acceptable, if a little dubious, but Piell/Yaddle is pretty much a straight repack, regardless of paint apps. Yes, they have lightsabers this time around, but if the reissue of Poof at the tail end of TSC is any indication, the lightsaber is an old piece as well, and the paint app differences are going to be negligible.
Hopefully, Hasbro will, at the very least, include the same piece from the Piell/Yaddle set in a repackaged army builder from an earlier wave (such as the Clone Scuba Trooper or the ARC Quad Gunner) or another GH-style army builder so it will make buying a figure for a droid appendage a bit less nauseating. :)
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ONly one I've managed to find from this wave so far has been the Gray Clone and I have to say that I really dig the figure. That paint scheme looks really sharp on a proper #41 body.
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I was able to get the grey clone,jodo, and dooku.\
Grey clone= Looks awsome but again the only thing I hate is the fact that the #41 body still cannot sit. I also noticed the grey straps that are supposed to go around the shoulders does not on mine. 4/5
Dooku= Its a holo figure with great articulation..even though it is not needed. I didnt want to buy him but figured that I wanted the droid so I might as well. Besides buying it in the states was already saving me $4 anyways. 4/5
Jodo Kast= BS figure. The arms are loose as hell because of the action feature and then head is just as bad. Add to the fact that the pose they have him in warps his legs a little making it hard to stand. Only thing this figure has going is great paint apps. 2/5
my half build a droid looks cool so far but the arm is crap because of the articulation they choose. It is not SA and I dont see why they couldnt have just used 4-loms arms instead.
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Okay H needs to release a list for these B-A-D things I know we've got a list going here but H should really be the one cause even though I didn't purchase them there adding stuff that would be much easier if H gave us a list to go by ahead of time. This is what I saw just less then 1/2 hour ago at Target.
Imp Evo w/left black arm RA-7
Multi Vader w/right black leg RA-7
Obi in Clone Armor w/ black torso RA-7
Kashyyyk trooper w/right black arm RA-7
There was the 2 pack jedi w/left black leg RA-7 which was assuming supposed to come with them, by the way what's up w/ Mr. Pinky hands.
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Okay H needs to release a list for these B-A-D things I know we've got a list going here but H should really be the one cause even though I didn't purchase them there adding stuff that would be much easier if H gave us a list to go by ahead of time. This is what I saw just less then 1/2 hour ago at Target.
Imp Evo w/left black arm RA-7
Multi Vader w/right black leg RA-7
Obi in Clone Armor w/ black torso RA-7
Kashyyyk trooper w/right black arm RA-7
There was the 2 pack jedi w/left black leg RA-7 which was assuming supposed to come with them, by the way what's up w/ Mr. Pinky hands.
and the quad cannon clone comes with the head. :-\ I was at the cashier when I noticed it and because of that I am still missing the wave 2 version of him.
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Wow - so this wave (and the "extra" figures that come with it) confirms that droid parts will change from wave-to-wave.
Am I the only one who finds this absolutely ridiculous?
So if I don't find the six figures from Wave 3 in Wave 3 cases then I'm running the risk of NOT getting the six Wave 3 figures with pieces of the black RA-7 droid?!?!?
The cases are TWELVE figures each. There are SIX figures in the wave. Pack 2x of each figure in the wave and CALL IT A DAY!
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Wow - so this wave (and the "extra" figures that come with it) confirms that droid parts will change from wave-to-wave.
Am I the only one who finds this absolutely ridiculous?
So if I don't find the six figures from Wave 3 in Wave 3 cases then I'm running the risk of NOT getting the six Wave 3 figures with pieces of the black RA-7 droid?!?!?
The cases are TWELVE figures each. There are SIX figures in the wave. Pack 2x of each figure in the wave and CALL IT A DAY!
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That's what I'm saying, snooze you lose. I wouldn't have gotten the Gree that comes with the Black R4 if I'd known I coulda got him with the Black RA-7 instead. C'mon H release a list of who comes with what!
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The cases are TWELVE figures each. There are SIX figures in the wave. Pack 2x of each figure in the wave and CALL IT A DAY!
Seriously. Should have been a no brainer.
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Got to open the remainder of the wave yesterday. What new can be said about the repaints? Though, I should mention that since I was more or less forced to open the Holo-Dooku and am not a big fan of the holo figures, I kind of dig it. My favorite of the wave is the engineer, hands down, and the Droid is pretty awesome, much better that and carded protocol droid by a long shot.
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Got to open the remainder of the wave yesterday. What new can be said about the repaints? Though, I should mention that since I was more or less forced to open the Holo-Dooku and am not a big fan of the holo figures, I kind of dig it. My favorite of the wave is the engineer, hands down, and the Droid is pretty awesome, much better that and carded protocol droid by a long shot.
Do you army build Clones? If so, you could have held out on buying the Dooku and picked up the GH2 Kashyyyk Trooper or GH4 Evo Trooper as they include an RA-7 arm now. :P
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Got to open the remainder of the wave yesterday. What new can be said about the repaints? Though, I should mention that since I was more or less forced to open the Holo-Dooku and am not a big fan of the holo figures, I kind of dig it. My favorite of the wave is the engineer, hands down, and the Droid is pretty awesome, much better that and carded protocol droid by a long shot.
Do you army build Clones? If so, you could have held out on buying the Dooku and picked up the GH2 Kashyyyk Trooper or GH4 Evo Trooper as they include an RA-7 arm now. :P
I seriously though about that. However, although I'm not a fan of the holo's, I still have them all. During my carded collector days, I just never bought an opener.
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Saw the remnants of this wave at Target, a lone Salaucami Trooper. Also saw some Evo Troopers with RA-7 parts.
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Picked up Jodo Kast from this wave. I didn't know it was the stupid missile-button-arms-up Boba Fett mold. Next to the crappy DS2 Luke, that's my least favorite figure mold of the modern line. The paint job on Jodo's very nice, though, and although he's worthless as an action figure, he looks cool.
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Don't suppose you wanna let that droid part he came with go, eh? :-[
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Don't suppose you wanna let that droid part he came with go, eh? :-[
damn beat me to it.
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For those that have built it already, how does RA-7 hold up to the previous mold? Is it more accurate, do you think? I like the shiny black vac-metal look of the older one, and I think that may be more film-accurate...
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For those that have built it already, how does RA-7 hold up to the previous mold? Is it more accurate, do you think? I like the shiny black vac-metal look of the older one, and I think that may be more film-accurate...
I like the sculpt/articulation of the new one but I prefer the finish that the POTF2 version had.
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Since Jesse's getting my droid head [that's what she said], and I have no desire to chase down all the parts for this figure, someone please reassure me that this version of RA-7 will get a carded release.
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I only want the RA-7 out of diversity's sake... I think he'll make a cool "other" droid, but to me I'm leaving the original POTF2 FF RA-7 on the shelf as the Death Star Droid, as he really is superior IMO, mostly due to the accurate black chrome paintjob. Hasbro seems to be getting away from chrome figures unless it's 3PO.
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Hasbro seems to be getting away from chrome figures unless it's 3PO.
Which seems backwards since 3PO seems to be the only chrome figure flaking with age.
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The paint job on Jodo's very nice, though, and although he's worthless as an action figure, he looks cool.
Yes he does. Jodo displays well alongside the other Mandalore figs.
BTW, do you think Jodo knows Judo?
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Jodo do Judo?
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I want this Jedi 2pack, but I really don't know if they will come to Germany, it seems like the ROTS wave would come first? :o
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If anyone ends up with any extra BAD parts from this wave - let me know. I'm looking for a head, left arm, and right leg.
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I was just over at HTS, and it looks like they are offering a "value pack" for this wave with one each of the figures for $44.99. Not a tremendous savings necessarily, but of course its put up right after I get confirmation of my previous order shipping. It would be nice if they continue to do these "value sets" for upcoming waves as well.
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It would be nice if they continue to do these "value sets" for upcoming waves as well.
As long as they sell well, they should keep offering them.
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I was just over at HTS, and it looks like they are offering a "value pack" for this wave with one each of the figures for $44.99. Not a tremendous savings necessarily, but of course its put up right after I get confirmation of my previous order shipping. It would be nice if they continue to do these "value sets" for upcoming waves as well.
I hear ya. I'd have bought this set from them immediately if it were up sooner.
Ah well... So do we take the chance and wait that Hasbro will do this with subsequent waves?
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I received this wave via HTS yesterday, and although I'll admit that I bought the majority of this wave just to get the Build-a-Droid - it is a pretty disappointing wave overall to me. I really like the Coruscant Clonetrooper, and the RA-7 B-a-D is great as well. I guess the Jedi two pack is alright for those who missed them before, but I had them from the Council Packs. The Saleucami trooper is a nice enough figure too, but not one I necessarily needed another one of. Same goes for the Imperial Engineer, which will fit in with the Imperials nicely enough. I do feel sorry for fans of Jodo Kast, because to me, that's a pretty crappy figure. I know there was likely a reason for them to use that sculpt, but it really doesn't hold up after all the nice Fetts/Mandos we've gotten in the past few years. Anyways, like I said, I'm a sucker who bought a bunch of figures I didn't necessarily want just to get the build-a-droid - but it seems like there could have been a lot better choices for a repaint wave for the most part.
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I've found everything in this wave at brick and mortar stores except for Jodo Kast. I'm a little surprised that this is such a popular figure. I've only seen Jodo in stock at collector shops that are charging $12. I won't pay such a ridiculous price. I have a hard time paying $9.99 for a figure at KayBee after all.
Regardless of that, I picked up another Quad Cannon Clone so that I could finish off the RA-7 droid. That's actually the best BAF droid of the bunch thus far.
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I received this wave via HTS yesterday, and although I'll admit that I bought the majority of this wave just to get the Build-a-Droid - it is a pretty disappointing wave overall to me. I really like the Coruscant Clonetrooper, and the RA-7 B-a-D is great as well. I guess the Jedi two pack is alright for those who missed them before, but I had them from the Council Packs. The Saleucami trooper is a nice enough figure too, but not one I necessarily needed another one of. Same goes for the Imperial Engineer, which will fit in with the Imperials nicely enough. I do feel sorry for fans of Jodo Kast, because to me, that's a pretty crappy figure. I know there was likely a reason for them to use that sculpt, but it really doesn't hold up after all the nice Fetts/Mandos we've gotten in the past few years. Anyways, like I said, I'm a sucker who bought a bunch of figures I didn't necessarily want just to get the build-a-droid - but it seems like there could have been a lot better choices for a repaint wave for the most part.
You pretty much summed up my experience with this wave.
I bought a squads worth of Imp Engineers and want more Coruscant clones. I've got many left over parts now. In fact I bought another Jodo Kast and 2-pack Jedi set to make another RA-7. But I really don't want the extra Jodo or Jedis and am looking to trade/sell the RA-7.
I'll sell the Jodo for $5 and the 2 Jedi as a set for $5 (both without the droid parts). I haven't made up my mind on the trade for RA-7 so if anyone is interested, PM me.
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I've found everything in this wave at brick and mortar stores except for Jodo Kast. I'm a little surprised that this is such a popular figure. I've only seen Jodo in stock at collector shops that are charging $12. I won't pay such a ridiculous price. I have a hard time paying $9.99 for a figure at KayBee after all.
Regardless of that, I picked up another Quad Cannon Clone so that I could finish off the RA-7 droid. That's actually the best BAF droid of the bunch thus far.
I've got an extra Jodo. You want him? (without the droid part)
Just $5 plus exact shipping. LMK.
-Sal
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Thanks for the offer Sal. But I'll wait until I find one at a store. I'm still hunting for the WalMart exclusives and the comic 2-pack wave with Thrawn.
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Thanks for the offer Sal. But I'll wait until I find one at a store. I'm still hunting for the WalMart exclusives and the comic 2-pack wave with Thrawn.
No problem. Looks like I have a buyer for it now.
So basically after the sale of the figure I will have paid about $2 for a little head of a droid.
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Found Jodo Kast today. He's a really crappy figure, but the gorgeous paintjob more than makes up for it. :)
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I can't find the Jedi myself yet, not that I really want them either, but gotta get that droid part. Found a Jodo but really just need parts from the Jedi and Jodo, not the figures.
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I was able to trade for those extra parts, so anyone might want to keep that in mind before pulling the trigger on spending 7-8 bucks a droid part.
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The piece from the Jedi (which are relatively abundant around here) is the only one I still need, but I just have no need for those figures. :-\
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That same part comes with the repacked Darth Vader from TLC wave 1.
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I may look into that because I could custom up the Vader at least. The Jedi... meh.
Why wouldn't Hasbro make that (the Jedi's part) something that comes with the Kashyyyk Trooper or something? Blah.
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The Jedi set is actually the only one i have yet to see at retail. It seems to be selling the quickest from the wave.
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Saw this wave for the first time at Target. They only had the Grey 41st Clone and Holo Dooku.
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I think the Engineer is the first one to go around these parts. I picked up a few to serve as commanders for my other DS gunners.
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I've been surprised to see the Imperial Engineer hanging around here in relatively large numbers for a while now. I still hope to pick up a few more.
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I've been seeing the whole wave sitting around lately.
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I've pretty much skipped the entire wave except for the Fett repaint.
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If anyone could be so kind, and have assembled the RA droids, can you post a pic or two of them either alone or compared to their POTF2 equivalents? I'm trying to decide if it's worth getting them- thanks!
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Yeah, it really seems that for the most part these "repaint" waves end up sitting at retail a bit more than the other waves. I know that I would have passed on much of both of these waves the last two years if it weren't for the coins or Build a Droid parts, respectively. Sure, the figures aren't necessarily terrible - but just kind of boring in many cases. We should start an idea thread for a nice repaint wave, and maybe Hasbro will take notice for 2009 (if/when we get another one). Heck, there's a lot of OT concepts that we've discussed before here (the R2-D2 using the best body, a repainted OTC "spirit" Obi-Wan, etc.) that might be some good ideas.
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I think an awesome start to any repaint wave is to include an astromech. There are a couple dozen that still are unmade between the movies and Clone Wars show, not to mention all the fun Hasbro can have with the EU.
This wave has actually been kind of rare around me. Whether it just took a long time to get here, or is just popular in my neck of the woods, I don't know.
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If anyone could be so kind, and have assembled the RA droids, can you post a pic or two of them either alone or compared to their POTF2 equivalents? I'm trying to decide if it's worth getting them- thanks!
I don't have my old RA-7's available for a comparison. But the new version is remarkably better than the POTF2 era release. The BAF has significantly more articulation. The new version has ball jointed elbows and knees, along with articulation in the midsection.
The old version only has 5 points of articulation. And it's stuck in something of a static pose.
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If anyone could be so kind, and have assembled the RA droids, can you post a pic or two of them either alone or compared to their POTF2 equivalents? I'm trying to decide if it's worth getting them- thanks!
Although it's not next to the POTF2 mold versions this (http://www.yakface.com/TGuide2004/html/TLC/RA7.html) should help.
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If anyone could be so kind, and have assembled the RA droids, can you post a pic or two of them either alone or compared to their POTF2 equivalents? I'm trying to decide if it's worth getting them- thanks!
I don't have my old RA-7's available for a comparison. But the new version is remarkably better than the POTF2 era release. The BAF has significantly more articulation. The new version has ball jointed elbows and knees, along with articulation in the midsection.
The old version only has 5 points of articulation. And it's stuck in something of a static pose.
That and its buffness makes it more Terminator-like then secratary driod like.
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Thanks for the link, Jayson! I forgot Yak has really good photo reference.
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This wave does seem to be less popular, or maybe people are getting "cloned out" at this point (even more so). Our local Target has had this wave for a week or two, and even the Coruscant landing Clonetroopers are still hanging out there. I was tempted to grab another one, but found the Shield Generator battle pack and picked that up instead. Anyways, kind of surprised to see those clones sitting, since - for a change - they actually appeared in the movie. Honestly, of the three waves that have hit retail around here so far, it does seem like the OT stuff has sold the quickest overall. Sure, there are plenty of Ak-Revs hanging about (and some Yarnas too), but overall that wave seems to be slimmer than the other two.
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Jodo seems to be the rarest of the bunch at least in my neck of the woods. I've only seen him twice since this wave started hitting/sitting.
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Yeah, actually Jodo is the one I don't think I've seen lately either. Neat character, but a pretty crappy figure I thought.
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I really need the last leg for my RA-7 droid, if anyone happens to have one they don't want/need. It's becoming quite frustrating as I can find neither figure set with that leg (Jedi or Vader).
I got a Jodo but someone's sending me a head already so I'll have that part... I'll either take the Jodo back or offer it for trade/sale to someone here I guess. That figure and the Jedi didn't interest me at all.
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I saw all of this wave earlier in the week, except for Jodo. I couldn't bring myself to buy the Jedi or Holo Dooku, even though they were there. So I've got half a droid right now. I can see myself springing for Jodo, but just not for the others. So I'll have 2/3 of a protocol droid. Tragic.
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PM sent to Jesse James
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I also need the leg from the Jedi/revision Vader. If anyone can spare an extra, please PM me. :)
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Thanks Keonobi! :)
In another note that may or may not interest you (I have no idea). The Imperial "Engineer" has become a pet project of mine. I've decided to finegal them as "Imperial Combat Engineers". A sort of support group for infantry that do anything from fix armor damaged on the field, to build bridges and clear obstacles...
They can be repainted to various generic faces if you want (thank god), so they're not all Clones, and they look BAD ASS with Imperial black kepis or Death Star Trooper helmets on. i'm thinking about cutting the bottom piece of the gunner's helmet off to see how that looks too, but right now I'm fixated on the DST helmet on these guys. They truly look badass like that, and carrying rolls of wire, and other "engineering gear" into battle alongside Stormtroopers. I envision a gang of them deploying from an Imperial repaint AT-TE. :P
I found a use for this figure... if anyone needs RA7's arms, hit me up. I have a lot of the one the Engineer comes with now.