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Title: Vintage OTC Figures - A New Hope
Post by: JediMAC on February 13, 2004, 01:47 PM
(http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/images/news/85214-Luke_sm.jpg) (http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/images/news/85215-ObiWan_sm.jpg) (http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/images/news/85224-Han_sm.jpg)

So, it looks like we've finally got our answer to this little "vintage-styled" figure enigma, and it surprisingly appears to be along the line of our oft-requested "Definitive (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=1584;start=msg17378#msg17378) - Figure" (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=1281;start=msg13248#msg13248) line!   8)  Who'da thunk it?!

Now I'm just a little pissed that this subline is purported to only be 12 figures, 'cause this is what we've all been waiting for!  My only qualm here (and this is a hotly contested subject) is the soft goods...  I think the Luke looks pretty nice (except for the bug-eyes), but Obi-Wan looks like a giant burnt marshmellow!  I'm all for soft goods if Hasbro can find some that aren't "poofy", and that actually lie naturally.  Hopefully they'll come up with a slightly better fabric for Obi-Wan there by the time it's released.

Obviously, we're finally seeing the core characters in all their accurately sculpted, neutrally posed, super articulated glory - like we've long begged for.  That's great!  The only thing that cuts these short of wait we were ultimately hoping for is the lack of the "ultimate accessories" to go along with them.  Yeah, that's a greedy, albeit minor, gripe - but it would definitely be awesome if they threw in all their respective goodies as well!

So these are going to be coming out on repro VINTAGE cards (not in the OTC design), but on the actual vintage cardbacks from the 70's and 80's.  That's going to be really bizarre to see those hanging on retail pegs again...  Sounds like this subline's going to be a bit on the pricier side, since Jeff just pointed out in the OTC thread that EE has these listed for pre-order at over $10 each.  Ouch.  I think most of us agreed we'd be willing to pay a bit more for our "ultimate" versions of these characters, but double the price is a little bit painful.  I'm sure I'll cope though...

So, what are your predictions for the remaining 9 figures for this line?

ANH:
Luke
Han
Obi-Wan
Leia

ESB:
Yoda
Lando
Vader
Boba Fett

ROTJ:
Chewy
C-3PO
R2-D2
Stormtrooper

I just noticed my picks are identical to Mikey's in the OTC thread...  The only unfortunate exclusion here would be the Emperor.  Of course, we're also shifting a bunch of ANH figures into the other 2 movie's waves, so the actual "movie focus" idea is a little silly to me.  I'd have rather seen them pump out the original 12 ANH vintage figures, and toss in a few more from the other 2 movies, like Lando, Yoda, Fett, and the Emperor.  But here's to hoping for more from this cool line!
Title: Re: Vintage-Styled Figures - The Answer!
Post by: Mainland05 on February 13, 2004, 02:14 PM
What about a Vader?
Title: Re: Vintage-Styled Figures - The Answer!
Post by: JediMAC on February 13, 2004, 03:00 PM
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ESB:
Yoda
Lando
Vader
Boba Fett
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What about a Vader?

Um...  Hello?  I think ya' just missed it, 'cause it's definitely in there Matt.   ;)
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: Darby on February 13, 2004, 03:07 PM
Don't know if I like the soft goods, but I'll reserve judgement until I see them.  Also, I think your list is dead on JediMac.
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: JediMAC on February 13, 2004, 04:30 PM
I must admit, I'm a little bit bummed that these "real vintage figures" didn't pan out, as some of us had been speculating:


ANH:
1. Grand Moff Tarkin
2. Rebel Fleet Trooper
3. Stormtrooper Han Solo
4. Cantina Band Member

ESB: (this movie was covered pretty well by Kenner)
1. Removable Helmet Darth Vader
2. Dagobah Luke
3. Admiral Piett
4. Spirit of Obi-Wan
5. Hoth Han (Brown coat)   :P

ROTJ:
1. Slave Leia
2. Oola
3. Mon Mothma
4. Wedge Antilles Pilot

But for the most part, it was really ANH that got that shaft by Kenner, so I'd almost prefer to see all 12 come from that flick alone (aside for the Slave Leia).  Here'd be my ANH 12-back assortment:

1. Grand Moff Tarkin
2. Rebel Fleet Trooper
3. Stormtrooper Han Solo
4. Cantina Band Member
5. Sandtrooper (Orange Pauldron)
6. Uncle Owen
7. Aunt Beru
8. Garindan
9. Dr. Evazan
10. Wuher
11. Biggs Pilot
12. Ceremonial Luke
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12a. Admiral Motti
12b. Porkins
12c. Any one of the unmade Cantina aliens

I would've rather Hasbro put these new "Definitive" figures in the cool new OTC packaging where they should be, and made this "vintage" line exactly that - Vintage.  It would've been fun to fill in a lot of these holes from our childhood collections...  Oh well, the thought was fun while it lasted!   :-\
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: Diddly on February 13, 2004, 05:30 PM
Hmm, I have a mixed reaction to these. I guess I'll wait until I see them in stores before buying them. They look... different, but I guess that was the whole purpose. ;)
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: Jesse James on February 13, 2004, 07:46 PM
Super articulated figures of main characters gives me little reason to actually complain about these.  Though I do have some reservations about how they'll turn out looking (articulation aside).

-Luke Skywalker...  Shaping up nicely, but I don't quite follow why his cloak's made of soft-goods and not plastic?  Considering Luke didn't run about Tatooine Topless in the films, I'm a bit intrigued as to why the decision was made.  Simply articulating him heavily would've suited me, so long as the "skirt" piece that hangs over the legs were made of a very flexible plastic (Obi-Wan Coruscant Nightclub's a good example how to do this figure even, or even the FLash Back figure looked right).  The romvable belt's cool, and could've been done on a fully sculpted figure as well (even include a Stormie belt?).

-Obi-Wan...  Soft-Goods were a necessity on an Obi-Wan at some point.  Sculpted fans have had their Obi's with and without Robes since the start of the line so I'm happy to see one that actually can sit down for once.  Softgoods opponents will be upset, but, and this is blunt, I simply don't care.  Like I said, every Obi to this point has been sculpted...  Let the soft goods fans have THEIR figure too.  It's like Jedi Luke and his cloth cape.

-The ships...  In one big resounding voice I say, "Bleh".  I'm gonna skip them I believe...  I just cannot justify spending money on these unless they're truly impressively redone, but those photos imply they won't be at all, so I don't mind passing on them at all.  They look like all the old POTF2 original sculpts.  Just not interesting.

So, my opinion is that the figures rock.  Super Articulated versions of Star Wars figures are, and have been, an area this line has lacked competitively in since its inception in 1995.  It's nice to see Hasbro no longer turning a blind eye to articulation.  I hope we don't see an end to this concept of improved "toys" rather than statues.  This isn't something that should cease in movie years giving way to poorer quality again I don't believe.

I truly hope the Super Articulated Clonetrooper has opened the eyes of Hasbro that articulation CAN be done on these figures, and it doesn't need to look terrible, and it can make these characters more enticing to adults and kids alike.

I'm quite happy to see these figures and anxious to see the rest now.

And with the ships...  good for those who want them.  For me, I'm simply gonna pass this time.  If they go on sale, they go on sale, and I will consider purchasing them.
Title: Vintage assortment!
Post by: Vator on February 15, 2004, 10:42 AM
Ok,these are my favorites of the bunch,super articulated and acurate.On the card backs it has a list of all the figs we are getting,including:ENDOR Han!OMG!This looks to be a very exciting time for collectors!
Title: Re: Vintage assortment!
Post by: BigDumbWookiee on February 15, 2004, 11:21 AM
Im stopping my figure/toy collecting except for a few choice items. I will definately get the re-vintage set, the figures that have been shown so far look fantastic.

In such a small set (only 12), I would have prefered another character instead of a second Han...
Title: Re: Vintage assortment!
Post by: Vator on February 15, 2004, 11:29 AM
Yeah,but,if it's as good as that other han... :D
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: JediMAC on February 15, 2004, 02:09 PM
Well, we got our answer on who else is coming today, and it's real close to what most of us were predicting, with one notable exception:

ANH:
Luke
Leia
Han
Ben

ESB:
Yoda
Lando
Vader
C-3PO

ROTJ:
Chewbacca
R2-D2
Boba Fett
and...  Han Solo again?!?  WTF?

So either a carbonite Han, or Endor Han...  I would've much rather had an ultimate Stormtrooper or Emperor, but oh well.  11 out of 12 ain't bad.  These should be some incredible figures!  You can catch a glimpse of the Leia on the back of the Luke card that was shown.
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: SilverZ on February 15, 2004, 03:09 PM
This is quite a lot of information to digest this morning about these.

Availability - GH is reporting that these assortments are a "ship once" situation, meaning availability could be an issue. I think the price point of 9.99 is fair - considering these are all technically ultimate editions of core characters we've so long requested. That price may help them sit on shelves a bit longer, but it didn't really do it for 300th Fett, which these are sort of the spiritual successor to. I'm going to opt for online preordering.

Han Solo ROTJ - My money is on Endor Han with a cloth jacket. It seems to make the most sense, since it fills two much needed areas - a vintage-style jacket that fits with the theming of the rest of the line, and a well-articulated figure underneath that can double, without the jacket, as a standard Han. With such limited slotting for figure choice, why a 2nd Han won out is still bizarro though.

Soft Goods - Yep, there should be much debate about this. I'm in the anti-soft goods camp, but the execution of these figures otherwise makes them acceptable to me. I'm sure for others this will be a great thing.

The future - This line is obviously a great test for Hasbro, IMO. We're getting exactly what we've been asking for, at a higher price point. If these go over well - which I hope they do - I wonder if we'll see this idea take a new form in 2005 and further. 12 figures on vintage cardbacks is a good idea for this year and tieing into the DVD, but beyond that, the idea actually limits the potential of what they are doing with the figures. We already have some great iconic candidates that would be perfect choices - Stormtrooper and Slave Leia come to mind. Imagine if, when the OTC is sidelined in '05 for the CTC (Crap Trilogy Collection), that this assortment actually became the OTC, keeping the idea behind the vintage, but with more modern packaging. We could see not only core characters but popular peripherals in ultimate form. Hopefully they'll find an eager market and there's enough of us hardcore collectors out there that will pay the $10 pricepoint to continue this past what we're getting this year.

Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: Darby on February 15, 2004, 04:01 PM
Hasbro seems to be holding quite a bit back to announce later, which is surprising to me anyway.  $10 for the vintage figs?  I suppose it's fair considering.  Hopefully the ROTJ Han is the Endor version, he's much needed in any line.

The repack of Wicket I can understand but he needs a resculpt as much as anybody else.  I don't mind all the repacks, actually, it helps keep money it my pocket.  :)
Title: Re: Vintage assortment!
Post by: BigDumbWookiee on February 15, 2004, 05:56 PM
Yeah, I dont doubt it would kick a load of ass, just in a highly limited, small set, I'd prefer another character. A stormtrooper would be cool, but would cause all mighty hell to break loose since everyone would want it, and it would be so limited.

As soon as I see these for presale on a trustworthy set, Im buying a case. 2 each for me, 1 to trade or sell. These will be a few of the very few figures I will continue collecting (the others being specials/exclusives and animated Clone Wars)
Title: Re: Vintage assortment!
Post by: Vator on February 15, 2004, 06:03 PM
Yeah,this is definatly a preorder situation,since they only ship once.



Ewwww,a merged thread! ;)
Title: Re: New Vintage Assortment
Post by: Ben on February 15, 2004, 07:04 PM
I'll be getting two sets of these for sure. Fo' shizzle. Indeed.

I think I'll have to go the preorder route, just to be sure.
Title: Re: Vintage Style Figures from Hasbro???
Post by: JediMAC on February 15, 2004, 08:25 PM
Well, we got our answer on who else is coming today, and it's real close to what most of us were predicting, with one notable exception:
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and...  Han Solo again?!?  WTF?

Or perhaps not...  Adam May over at GH is reporting that the specific figures for the second two waves of ESB and ROTJ are not confirmed yet according to Hasbro reps at Toy Fair, and that the cardbacks we're seeing are only mock-up prototypes.  So therefore, that second Han from ROTJ may not be entirely accurate.  Hopefully we'll get a real nice, soft goods Ultimate Emperor figure in Han's place instead!  I'm pretty sure that the other 11 are solid though.

I've seen people on the net suggesting that perhaps a Stormtrooper might not be appropriate for this assortment due to it's popularity and this lines supposed limited release, and I'd definitely agree with that.  So let's hope for an Emperor in that ROTJ slot instead!   8)

They just better not screw with any of the other 11!

Title: Re: New Vintage Assortment of 12
Post by: BigDumbWookiee on February 15, 2004, 09:33 PM
Lets hope for a WICKET!

;)

I'm excited as hell about this line. Im going to be so flat on my ass broke this year, with what MR and GG are releasing...
Title: Re: New Vintage Assortment of 12
Post by: Jesse James on February 15, 2004, 11:53 PM
The possible "limited edition" status of this line is utter BS.

I just complained about this in the TF thread too, and this one little issue has me royally pissed off, to tell you the truth.  If these ARE Limited (In that they don't release these figures again on the standard line's cards), then Hasbro's done nothing but to make one big advancement to the modern line take about 2 HUGE steps backward.

Like I said at Galactic Hunter, can anyone say "Playmates Star Trek:TNG" with me?

MisterPL was giving me some hope that these super articulated sculpts will be reused, and I truly hope he's correct, but Hasbro's limiting things is a BAD sign overall.  Let us all hope for the best of course.

I was hoping the SA treatment wouldn't even end with these 12, and that we may see it become more widespread across the line as a whole.  I still hope for this.  For a Star Wars toy line that really "wows" you with every new figure.

I'm very curious to see/hear more news from Hasbro about all of this, nonetheless.  They've definitely got my attention right now.

I just hope I'm able to get plenty of these figures as I want them not only for my collection but customizing too.  They're just so great looking.  The Han is, as far as I can tell, perfect.

As for a 2nd Han, I almost wouldn't mind an apology Endor Han over an Emperor.  I see your point about an Emperor though too Matt, and would love both honestly.

Han though, that's a figure that really could stand the soft goods treatment I think, and super articulation given his role at Endor.
Title: Re: New Vintage Assortment of 12
Post by: Morgbug on February 16, 2004, 01:19 AM
Um.  Wrong weekend to go away from a computer :-\


I keep reading the following phrase about the vintage assortment - ...based on the first 12 vintage figures so uh, wouldn't that mean the first 12 figures are being redone.  

Ergo...
all ANH or is this not necessarily the vintage assortment, rather the new ultimate SA 3 3/4 figs?

Color me confused, as per usual.  

Not that I don't like the lists, but I would be very dissappointed to not see a stormtrooper in this grouping.  

And a case of 8?  Huh, why?  That makes no sense for an ultimate assortment of 12 figures?  Are they really limited or will there be 16? Or 24? And how will they ship, i.e. what assortment per case?  Something incredibly annoying like 3 Leia's per case?  1 Vader?  I just don't see why with a run of 12 figures it isn't shipping in a case of 12, one per.
Title: Re: New Vintage Assortment of 12
Post by: Ben on February 16, 2004, 01:47 AM
I think 2x of each, maybe three different assortments, ala one for each flick. Makes sense to me, but I haven't had good sleep in two days.
Title: Re: New Vintage Assortment of 12
Post by: Darby on February 16, 2004, 02:43 AM
I agree, it sounds like 2X in each wave.

And I think Jesse is right.  Hasbro absolutely does not want to start botiquing SW, and certainly not with what will likely be the last mass market push for OT maybe ever.  

Title: Re: New Vintage Assortment of 12
Post by: JediMAC on February 16, 2004, 03:30 AM
Um.  Wrong weekend to go away from a computer :-\


I keep reading the following phrase about the vintage assortment - ...based on the first 12 vintage figures so uh, wouldn't that mean the first 12 figures are being redone.

Where you been goofball?!  Did you read through the rest of this thread Brent, or are you just showing up casually late, and asking for all the answers so you don't have to read the prior page, eh?!   :-*

Yeah, 12 super articulated figures on repro vintage cards, but NOT the first 12 from the vintage line as many had speculated/hoped for.  But it'll probably be pretty close.  Read back on the prior page for what is the current list shown on Hasbro's mock up packaging for this line.  12 figures - 4 from each movie.  Though it looks like that's just their marketing strategy, since a third of the figures will be from all 3 movies.  Still, they'll be 4 apiece on each of the three different movie cards, whatever figures Hasbro chooses.

As for the case ratios and stuff, just some early info trickling out right now, so who knows what the final breakdowns will be.  But these will definitely run at a much higher price point though - most like $10, as has been stated all weekend in the news.  Tad pricey, but oh well...  They do look great!   8)

So, any other threads you'd like the Cliff Notes version of as well Brent?
Title: Re: New Vintage Assortment of 12
Post by: Brian on February 16, 2004, 09:21 AM
Although we have only seen three (4 if you count Leia) of these figures so far, I can honestly say that I don't know if I have been quite this excited about upcoming figures for a long time.  If the rest of the lineup is as well done as Han and the others, it would be the type of thing where I'd say "if I could only buy one more set of figures, these would be it".  I really hope they aren't impossible to find.  To be honest, I got scared reading the "miss them and you're out of luck" statement over at GH.  I might end up preordering to be safe, but I would rather not have to do that.  Plus, the Mrs. (and myself for that matter) isn't too crazy about putting $90 on the credit card at once (and will be three times since they ship in waves).  At the same time, I don't want to miss the boat on these.  I hope at least Hasbro does realize that these are the types of figures we have always wanted, and will "re-release" these on the OTC cards or something.  If they're going to keep main characters on the shelves all the time, they just as well use these "ultimate" versions.  I hope we get to see some more of these in the near future.  I guess I don't have a problem with the pricepoint, since they are quite a bit spiffier...but this could be an expensive year.  I'm usually an opener only, but these figures would be nice to have one carded too.  At the same time, I couldn't just have a carded version because the figures themselves are so nice...you'd want to take them out.  Anyways...good things from Hasbro, really excited about this line.  I'm not sure about the vehicles yet or not either though.  I already have versions of all three, if the Falcon is significantly spiffier, I might think about it....although we really don't have the room :).
Title: Re: New Vintage Assortment of 12
Post by: Morgbug on February 16, 2004, 10:24 AM
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Where you been goofball?!  Did you read through the rest of this thread Brent, or are you just showing up casually late, and asking for all the answers so you don't have to read the prior page, eh?!  

Naw, I was out on the West Coast so my thinking is all messed up.  A little tired too, so I did read it, just didn't comprehend much.

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Yeah, 12 super articulated figures on repro vintage cards, but NOT the first 12 from the vintage line as many had speculated/hoped for.  
Ah, there you go.  I was stuck in speculation mode.  Pity too, they could have re-released a version of the stand as well.  That would have been cool.

I'll be very, very dissappointed without a stormtrooper, much more so than the Emperor, but that's just me.  Don't think two Hans are necessary though.  Sure, I like a second version as well, but not over another character on the whole.  

And yup, quite pricy, relatively speaking, but no worse than the Star Tours Droids and I'm much more excited about these figures.  

Feel free to put up a Coles notes version of anything you like.  I'll be sure to peruse.
Title: Re: New Vintage Assortment of 12
Post by: Jesse James on February 16, 2004, 02:58 PM
MisterPL made a good point though.  If these ARE only shipping in minimal #'s, then I'd just as soon they DIDN'T tease us with a Stormtrooper.  To me, that would be the ultimate kick in the ding ding.

I'll be plenty pissed off enough if they make these truly limited figures.  It will be one of the single most craptacular things Hasbro ever did, seriously.  With the already heightened demand it would do nothing but take a big nasty dump on the hobby overall as far as I'm concerned.

These MUST reship on OTC cards, and reship a-plenty.
To do otherwise is to show you honestly DO NOT care about the life of this line I think, nor about your consumer base.

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it would be the type of thing where I'd say "if I could only buy one more set of figures, these would be it".

I agree Mosnab.  These are, without a doubt, the best figures Hasbro's ever done judging by these early shots.  They're simply great looking figures that everyone's gonna clamor for.  Let's just hope for the best.

I too was worried after reading that statement of "miss em and you're out" at GH.com.  Very disconcerting.
Title: Re: New Vintage Assortment of 12
Post by: proudfather2 on February 16, 2004, 04:20 PM
Wow! I’m clearly in the minority here but, I truly find these figures to be completely and utterly hideous. IMO Hasbro just slammed another nail in the coffin of the 3 3/4" inch line with this latest attempt to “dress” our little plastic Star Wars guys. Good lord! Leave the cloth to the 12” figures. At least I get the opportunity to spend that $120 elsewhere. Thank “The Maker” for the non-vintage OTC basic assortment.
Title: Re: New Vintage Assortment of 12
Post by: JediMAC on February 16, 2004, 04:30 PM
Wow! I’m clearly in the minority here but, I truly find these figures to be completely and utterly hideous.

Wow, really Todd?  Is it mostly just the soft goods that are bothering you?  I can understand that a little, since I'm not a big propenent of them either, and they do look a little "clumpy" on these figures...

If it's just the soft goods, then do you like the Han at all, that comes without any soft goods?  Just curious if that's all your beef is with, or if it runs any deeper than that...
Title: Re: New Vintage Assortment of 12
Post by: BigDumbWookiee on February 16, 2004, 09:57 PM
Well I went ahead and placed a preorder at Entertainment Earth. Im definately NOT going to miss these, no matter what. These are going to be the only figures I buy, except for animated figures and exclusives (silver, or Celebration III)
Title: Re: New Vintage Assortment of 12
Post by: amarsella on February 16, 2004, 11:08 PM
Well I went ahead and placed a preorder at Entertainment Earth. Im definately NOT going to miss these, no matter what. These are going to be the only figures I buy, except for animated figures and exclusives (silver, or Celebration III)

I just preordered a case as well, and I think I nay go this route open all waves if they are truly that HTF.

I was really happy to find out that EE is one town over from me so I can pick up my order when it comes in and skip paying shipping. More $$ for figs! woohoo
Title: Re: New Vintage Assortment of 12
Post by: proudfather2 on February 17, 2004, 01:09 AM
Wow! I’m clearly in the minority here but, I truly find these figures to be completely and utterly hideous.

Wow, really Todd?  Is it mostly just the soft goods that are bothering you?  I can understand that a little, since I'm not a big propenent of them either, and they do look a little "clumpy" on these figures...

If it's just the soft goods, then do you like the Han at all, that comes without any soft goods?  Just curious if that's all your beef is with, or if it runs any deeper than that...

If it were just the cloth I might have been able to get past it. Maybe? But when you add ToyBiz-style articulation to ridiculously frumpy "soft goods", both things that I absolutely detest, that’s the worst thing that could happen to Star Wars figures as far as I’m concerned. Again, lucky for Hasbro I’m in the minority on this issue. I'm aware that many people want to see more soft goods and more articulation in the 3-3/4" line so this news must be very welcome news for them. But, I wonder how many people would like these figures if they were not coming packaged on the faux vintage cards? I know I still wouldn't. Beyond the packaging, nothing about the three figures revealed so far feels “vintage” to me. Damn, at first glance I thought I was looking at new 12” Luke and Ben figures not 3-3/4” figures. What does that say? Besides perhaps that my eyes are going bad.

I was really looking forward to getting those vintage-style cards too, but truth be told, nostalgia isn’t more important than my personal preferences, But hey, I still look forwrd to the forthcoming Original Trilogy Collection cards and figures. Even the Repacks.  
Title: Re: New Vintage Assortment of 12
Post by: Brian on February 27, 2004, 12:00 PM
Hasbro has posted some question and answers here:

Toy Fair Questions and Answers (http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/pl/page.headlines/id.1010/dn/default.cfm)

It looks like they have made the Vintage OTC lineup official....Stormtrooper is replacing Han Solo in the ROTJ assortment.
Title: Re: New Vintage Assortment of 12
Post by: Jeff on February 27, 2004, 01:51 PM
Stormtrooper is replacing Han Solo in the ROTJ assortment.

Ugh.

At first I was disappointed that the Stormtrooper wasn't included, but then I was relieved that Stormtrooper wasn't in there because if he were I'd want to Army Build him.

Now, he's in.  It's probably the world's greatest Stormie and he'll be limited to find and $10 a pop.

I'll still want as many as I can find though...

Jeff
Title: Re: New Vintage Assortment of 12
Post by: JediMAC on February 27, 2004, 03:08 PM
So, what are your predictions for the remaining 9 figures for this line?

ANH:
Luke
Han
Obi-Wan
Leia

ESB:
Yoda
Lando
Vader
Boba Fett

ROTJ:
Chewy
C-3PO
R2-D2
Stormtrooper

Ding ding ding!  So what do I (and MikeyD) win?!   8)  OK, so I got the movies reversed on the Fett and R2, but character-wise I was 12 for 12!  But as I mentioned in Justin's Stormtrooper thread (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?board=39;action=display;threadid=3742), I really would've rather seen a nicely articulated and cloth robed Emperor, instead of the super popular army builder - the Stormtrooper.   :-\

I still think that the VOTC 12 will get recarded and rereleased as part of the regular line a little later on - hopefully even in the OTC assortment.  Hasbro just put too much time and money into finally making the definitive versions of these characters to only put them out in a "limited" release.

Here's the official announcement from Hasbro's Q & A, including release dates:

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Question: Who are the 12 characters in the Vintage figures waves? And when will they be available?

Answer: www.starwars.hasbro.com will be doing a weekly spotlight on each of these figures starting in the Spring.  However, the 12 figures will be:

Wave 1: Luke, Obi-Wan, Han Solo, Princess Leia - Planned to be available in July
Wave 2: Darth Vader, C-3P0, Yoda, Lando Calrissian - Planned to be available in August
Wave 3: Stormtrooper, Chewbacca, R2-D2, Boba Fett - Planned to be available in September
Title: Re: New Vintage Assortment of 12
Post by: Darby on February 27, 2004, 05:14 PM
I expect all these figures to be recarded at some point.  They had better just for the Stormtrooper's sake, or else I imagine lots of folks will be very upset.
Title: OTC Vintage Wave 2 Images
Post by: Nicklab on February 28, 2004, 02:17 AM
Check 'em out right here: http://thejawa.com/nuke/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=123 (http://thejawa.com/nuke/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=123)
Title: Re: OTC Vintage Wave 2 Images
Post by: JediMAC on February 28, 2004, 03:21 AM
Wow!  Cool deal.  Thanks for the heads up (and scoop) Nick!   8)  The Vader and C-3PO (with partially silver leg) look great!  Yoda...  hard to tell, but not super striking to me as of yet.  Lando doesn't look so hot on the other hand.  I think I like the POTJ version much better, though this one will have more articulation.  I'll have to see them in person to make my final judgement though.

Hopefully that C-3PO is fully articulated EVERYWHERE.  That would be a dream come true finally...  I wonder if Vader's cape is really held by the chain, which looks a little too big all spread across his shoulders like that.  The rest of him looks excellent though!

Wonder why Leia got left out of the mix (again)...  Maybe they're having some problems with her final sculpt or something, otherwise we would've seen her up close by now, I'd imagine.  She wasn't at Toy Fair either, for some reason...

Thanks again Nick.  I'll have to go find me a copy of AFN pronto!   8)
Title: Re: OTC Vintage Wave 2 Images
Post by: Playgirl on February 28, 2004, 04:00 AM
that darth vader looks so cool, i'm freaking out.  the 3po looks a little funny though, if you look at his hips, his thighs dont look like they move in a normal manner. they look like bow legs.
Title: Re: OTC Vintage Wave 2 Images
Post by: Brian on February 28, 2004, 10:33 AM
This certainly was a nice surprise to see this morning.  I think that these figures look pretty great, not so sure about the Lando yet.  I think I might like the POTJ version better (the cape at least was better), but the articulation on this one looks much improved.  The rest look great, I am really diggin the Vader.  I really like the nods to the vintage line, with Yoda coming with a snake, cloth included, etc.  I can't wait to see the rest!
Title: Re: OTC Vintage Wave 2 Images
Post by: Scott on February 28, 2004, 02:49 PM
Wow those look un-f'n-believable.  The ESB Wave might be the best Wave of Figures of all time!  That Yoda is one I have been dreaming of since 1995, same goes for Lando.  

Hard to tell what the articulation on 3PO is, it looks like there might be knee joints and perhaps partial balls in the shoulder area, if there is, I'll take 3

Same goes for Vader, 3 maybe 4, gotta fill in those ESB and ROTJ with the best of the best.  In fact, I might never need to buy any of these figures ever again!
Title: Re: OTC Vintage Wave 2 Images
Post by: Scott on February 28, 2004, 02:50 PM
PS, Nice work Nick and thanks for the pics and scoop!
Title: Re: OTC Vintage Wave 2 Images
Post by: Jesse James on February 28, 2004, 03:20 PM
Yeah, 3rd me for a thank you to Nick for the images...  They all look great to me, though Luke still is the "Stinker" of the bunch.  Fair enough since I'm happy with the other Tatooine Lukes in the small army of them we've received over the years.  I look at it as this LUke's gonna be a great piece for customizing (god willing he's available enough/for a fair price in more generic packaging).

-Lando...  I love Lando's look actually.  I have heard people question why his pants are so high, but it's actually his belt that gives that illusion.  I think the cape on the POTJ Lando's better looking though, but these are definitely not looking like production figures to me at this point so I'll reserve judgement on the cape for now.

-C-3PO kicks butt of course.  A nice clean 3PO is a good idea since it's been a long time since one's been available.  I'm guessing he's articulated well, but it's real tough to say by the picture.  I wonder if his limbs are removable as well?  Include the net then perhaps?

-Yoda ROCKS!  Best Yoda Ever, quite simply.  This, like Scott, is the Yoda I've always wanted.  A Vintage-esque Yoda who even has a SNAKE to wrap around the barrel of Luke's X-Wing laser.  That's great.  :)  

-Darth Vader also is a great looking figure, and I predict he'll be one of the hottest figures out of the lineup.  Super Articulated, and I do believe that chain's attached to the cape.  Looks great to me.  I really want one to pop a Throne Room Duel Vader head onto though, for a Rem. Helmet version (should this version not have that feature).

Great stuff all around, and I still love the 3 from Toy Fair as much as the day I saw them.

Again, if Hasbro makes these so limited nobody can find them, and they're not available within the basic line, I think it'll be one of the single biggest mistakes ever made with this line.  There's already huge outcry for people to get 2, 3, or more sets of these...  Customizers are buzzing about wanting extras at a fair price.  These are easily the best versions of these characters, and should really see some re-release status.

Great stuff.  Can't wait to see the final 4, who I think will make up the hottest wave of all.  Stormtrooper and Boba Fett?  Fuggeddabout it!  Those will fly off shelves, even at $10 I believe.
Title: Re: OTC Vintage Wave 2 Images
Post by: Vator on February 28, 2004, 03:41 PM
Simply put:2004 is the best year so far for the hobby!

Anyone else think we have a more than decent chance of the Vader being part of the EPIII line? Seems like he's an unparraled good one.
Title: Re: OTC Vintage Wave 2 Images
Post by: Ben on February 28, 2004, 03:55 PM
They'd be daft to just limit these figures to the VOTC.

These must be repacked and made available widely.
Title: Re: OTC Vintage Wave 2 Images
Post by: SilverZ on February 28, 2004, 04:37 PM
Holy!

Vader is simply amazing. I even like the cape. There's nothing apparently missing from this one. Looks like Ultimate Vader to me. Since he looks to have a ballsocket head I'd put bets on a removable helmet version quickly after if this doesn't include the feature.

Yoda uses just about the best soft goods application I've ever seen. Snake = happiness.

Lando... well, we'll see. Like everyone else, I think the POTJ one was just fine. Certainly don't dig the cape.

3P0 looks good, but its hard to tell the articulation points. Maybe that's a good thing. The knee sockets look a little fat so hopefully that means he's articulated there.

Man, if Vader looks so good, I'm probably going to explode when I see the Stormtrooper and Boba Fett.
Title: Re: OTC Vintage Wave 2 Images
Post by: Darby on February 28, 2004, 08:06 PM
Well, shoot.  All I can say is wow.  Yoda, perfect.  3-PO, perfect.  Lando, perfect.  Vader, perfect.  

Still not buying them.  I'll wait for the repacks, and if they never come, shame on me.
Title: Re: OTC Vintage Wave 2 Images
Post by: CHEWIE on February 29, 2004, 02:21 PM
Well, shoot.  All I can say is wow.  Yoda, perfect.  3-PO, perfect.  Lando, perfect.  Vader, perfect.  

Still not buying them.  I'll wait for the repacks, and if they never come, shame on me.

Not buying them?  eeeek!

 :P
Title: Re: OTC Vintage Wave 2 Images
Post by: Scott on February 29, 2004, 02:23 PM
I hope you're right Darb, if something screams HOF assortment #2 its these 12 right here...don't think its going to happen though, I think they're a little too spendy pricepoint wise  for regular carded figs
Title: Re: OTC Vintage Wave 2 Images
Post by: Jesse James on March 1, 2004, 12:41 AM
Being that the molds are tooled though, it would actually be more costly for Hasbro to limit production on them than to NOT limit it.  If they reissued them, they'd actually be increasing profits through unit sales and clearing the cost of the molds.

On SA figures, they're surprisngly more logical to make in greater #'s than not.  

I still hold that it's 99% the "limited" packaging.  Short-run packaging can really screw up pricing, especially when it's as elaborate as this stuff's supposed to be.
Title: Re: OTC Vintage Wave 2 Images
Post by: Ben on March 1, 2004, 12:48 AM
Yeah, I'm also hoping this limited idea is just limited packaging. These look like the greatest figures Hasbro has ever made for Star Wars, and they're going to milk them for all they're worth.

I might limit myself to one set of the VOTC. $10 a crack is pretty high, plus I'd feel bad for opening them.
Title: Re: OTC Vintage Wave 2 Images
Post by: FX-7 on March 1, 2004, 03:39 PM
DANG these look sweeeeet!  I'm about done with 3-3/4" but the whole thing is putting some serious doubt in my mind
Title: Re: OTC Vintage Wave 2 Images
Post by: Nicklab on March 1, 2004, 03:40 PM
Thanks for the kudos, all.  The scans really don't do the Vader figure justice.  I'm going to have to do some photo analysis to determine just how much articulation this Darth Vader has.  It looks like the best one to come down the pike since the MOTDS sculpt, IMO.
Title: Re: OTC Vintage Wave 2 Images
Post by: CHEWIE on March 1, 2004, 10:23 PM
I agree Nicklab, the MOTD Vader is a spectacular figure.  Looks like this one might be able to top it, especially with the looks of the real chain on the cape.  Wow.

I am upset though that there is to be a Stormtrooper; hopefully it's just the CT version with super articulation or something.

 :P
Title: Re: OTC Vintage Wave 2 Images
Post by: Jesse James on March 2, 2004, 12:25 AM
I lightened the brightness up on it, and he's sporting a TON of articulation as far as I can tell.  As much as any SA figure from Hasbro I'd say.  

The chain is still tough to make out what it is though.  I'm very curious if it's a single plastic piece or a legit chain.  I have one to-scale and silver that I've wanted to use on an Ultimate Vader custom I had planned but this Vader puts that plan to rest for  sure.
Title: Re: OTC Vintage Wave 2 Images
Post by: Playgirl on March 2, 2004, 02:42 AM
This is the only instance when a figure is worth 10 bucks. these figures rock the casbah if you get my drift.
Title: Re: OTC Vintage Wave 2 Images
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on March 2, 2004, 10:05 AM
Yeah, this is good stuff. Lando is going to need the extra POTJ cape I have lying around, but other than that...awesome. I can't wait to see more finalized images.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on March 2, 2004, 02:37 PM
I wouldn't doubt that the cape's changed for the production figure.  That guy had some distinctly hand-painted work there, so I'm guessing he's not what a carded one will look like.  I'm holding out hope the cape's better as well.

I have an extra POTJ cape incase though, so no big whoop.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Paul on March 16, 2004, 09:38 PM
I don't think I am brave enough to try and wait for re-packaging.  I am going to order mine and if I end up with some that I overpaid for, oh well, it wouldn't be the first time.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on March 28, 2004, 10:45 AM
GH (http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/templates/full_article_template_1.asp?articleid=2546&zoneid=2) has some new pics up of the OTC cards
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on March 28, 2004, 02:04 PM
[keanu]Whoa.[keanu]

I was a little bummed seeing the first shots with Vader sitting atop the wrong background, but it looks like that first batch are just mocks. Once you scroll down and see the rest... fantastic!

The Dagobah Luke card is obscenely good. I like that you can see the ESB logo on the side of the bubble insert. Once we see the finished product I'm sure I'll be thrilled again. These are the best cards Hasbro has ever done. Period.

EDIT: Also noticed they've dropped the vintage-style character name from beneath the SW logo.

Isn't it about time to be seeing finished goods of the Dagobah wave and VOTC figs, though?
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on March 28, 2004, 03:20 PM
If the street date is June here, I'd guess end of April we'll start seeing finals, everything looks great, almost enough to make me consider keeping a set of the regular OTC on the cards too!
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on April 4, 2004, 08:52 PM
Pardon if its been posted elsewhere, but this is the first clean image of Leia I've seen yet (from EE's site):

(http://fp.entertainmentearth.com/AUTOIMAGES/HS85213A2lg.jpg)

A lot better than I had been expecting.

EDIT: Ugh, and reading the case ratios makes me a little annoyed:

Regular Asst:
2x Han Solo
3x Luke Skywalker
2x Obi-Wan Kenobi
1x Princess Leia

Alt Asst:
3x Han Solo
3x Obi-Wan Kenobi
2x Princess Leia

What's wrong with shipping even case ratios, Hasbro?  ::)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Darby on April 4, 2004, 11:18 PM
It's bad enough they're charging ten bucks and making these somewhat limited, they have to screw with the assortments too?  What point is there in making Leia even harder to find?  

So glad I'm not collecting these.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on April 5, 2004, 10:00 AM
This is disappointing, as far as hearing about the case packing.  I was really hoping that they would just be evenly packed all the way across the line.  The "limited" garbage really annoys me too, all the figure we have seen pics of from this line so far look amazing....and many, many people would want them...why not just slap them on OTC cards at the regular price point?  I think they'd sell like hot cakes.  I can't really think of many pegwarmers in this line, if they were distributed correctly.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on April 5, 2004, 03:09 PM
Yeah, seriously about the case ratios...  Leave it to  Hasbro to do everything within their power to F up these figure's release.  

Ultimately they'll claim it's the retailer's fault somehow, but my god what are they thinking on these cases?  She's not really "short-packed", but she's not gonna be even with the boys.  And with the word these aren't reshipping, that's a BAD thing.  :(
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on April 5, 2004, 07:06 PM
Hopefully the "alternate" casepack will make its way out in abundance and help a little. It's a shame if she's tough to find, because that's turning out the be one of the better figures.

I have this stinking notion that Luke is going to pegwarm. Bigtime.  :-\
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on April 8, 2004, 02:00 PM
I realize its small but check out the Stormtrooper on the cover of the next Tomart

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/4-04/VOTCStormtrooper.jpg)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Mainland05 on April 8, 2004, 02:04 PM
I realize its small but check out the Stormtrooper on the cover of the next Tomart

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/4-04/VOTCStormtrooper.jpg)

Really?

WOAH! :D
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on April 8, 2004, 02:09 PM
From what we can see, it looks to be just as great as the rest of the VOTC we've seen so far.  It is hard to tell for sure, but it looks like SA Clonetrooper-type articulation, and the sculpt looks nice as well.  I'm actually surprised we haven't seen pictures of wave 3 yet, I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with Chewie, R2, and Boba as well.  Thanks for the pic Scott.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on April 8, 2004, 02:13 PM
Looks like there's a little bigger picture at SSG, wasn't sure if I could post it here or not though...you can get to it through their front page though.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on April 8, 2004, 02:15 PM
(http://sirstevesguide.com/news/uploads/30138_normal.jpg)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on April 8, 2004, 02:17 PM
Looks like there are ball shoulders and elbows on the Stormtrooper

Yoda looks like he has 2 legs

Vader appears to have a metal chain
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on April 8, 2004, 02:23 PM
Thanks for the pic Scott, the Stormtrooper really looks amazing.  I still like that Yoda, this picture makes it look even better than the last one I think.  Metal chain on Vader would be pretty cool too.  Even further examples of why these figures shouldn't be limited....especially the Stormtrooper.  Who's not going to want tons of those guys if they are made like the SA Clone was?  Not that the commtech one is a bad figure, but this one looks like it could be even better.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on April 8, 2004, 02:31 PM
I can only hope they do Army builder packs of that Stormie...

It's just one picture, but MAN, does he look good.  

Jeff
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on April 8, 2004, 02:40 PM
It certainly looks like the stormie is the OT equal to the SA Clone. What a relief. Getting enough of these is going to be costly, if they can be found in number at all.

I can't get over Yoda. I'm not a fan of soft goods, and I'm actually shocked at how well they've been done on him. It also looks like he has shoulder ballsocket articulation. I'm amazed.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Mikey D on April 8, 2004, 02:44 PM
Screw the stormtrooper, look at that Riddick figure!  Awesome.  ;)

That stormtrooper is the nuts.  I want as many as I can get.  Hell Hasbro, package them in baggies for all I care.  I'd still buy lots.

Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Darby on April 8, 2004, 04:04 PM
I know this will eventually be repacked, but this may be one I buy.  If I ever find it.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on May 17, 2004, 10:07 AM
The latest ToyFare has some nice pics of the ESB Wave.  Vader looks a little bulky IMO and Lando's cape is a tad bit funky.  Still trying to search for articulation points on 3PO and I'm just not seeing them.  Maybe in his shoulders but his knees do not look articulated and he for sure is not shiny for some odd reason
 
Yoda though is droolworthy!
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on May 20, 2004, 05:02 PM
 (http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/images/news/obiwan_vintage.jpg) (http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/images/news/vintage_leia.jpg)

Obi-Wan (http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/pl/page.headlines/id.1038/dn/default.cfm)
Leia (http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/pl/page.headlines/id.1039/dn/default.cfm)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on May 20, 2004, 05:11 PM
 :o

*swooon*

*thud*

...


...


Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on May 20, 2004, 05:17 PM
Uh...

Sorry about that.  The sheer joy I felt swelled up my head and I musta passed out for a minute.

These Premium/Vintage OTC (aka vOTC) are a thing of beauty.

I am glad that the basic OTC sucks, because instead of buying all those repacks, I'll be saving up the cash to shell out for 2x each of these 12 masterpieces.  I'd much rather spend $240 to get 24 of these figures than $240 on 48 recarded/rehashed figures.

Tommorw is Han's turn!

Jeff
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Ben on May 20, 2004, 06:44 PM
I don't like that Orignal Trilogy Collection thing at the front of the card.

 :P
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Nicklab on May 20, 2004, 07:59 PM
That's on the clamshell that's holding the card, and not the card itself.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: BigDumbWookiee on May 20, 2004, 09:09 PM
Wish the figure bubbles (not the clamshell) were more vintage esque. Still pretty nice though. I'll probably end up removing one set from the clamshells and putting them in acrylic cases. It'd kill the "potential value", but I could give a crap. I think it'd look a lot nicer
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on May 20, 2004, 09:36 PM
Hey, nifty. I like how those turned out.  :)

And I'll be, the Obi-Wan cloth robes actually look GOOD.

Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Ben on May 20, 2004, 10:22 PM
That's on the clamshell that's holding the card, and not the card itself.

Oh. Duh, me.

I'm gonna scream like a schoolgirl on helium when I see these at retail. I just know it. :D
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Nicklab on May 20, 2004, 11:17 PM
Please don't.  It's unbecoming.  Although I admit it's rather nifty that we won't have to buy Star Cases for these.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on May 20, 2004, 11:20 PM
I'll scream like a school girl when I see Brown pulling up to the curb :-*
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on May 20, 2004, 11:37 PM
These Premium/Vintage OTC (aka vOTC) are a thing of beauty.

I am glad that the basic OTC sucks, because instead of buying all those repacks, I'll be saving up the cash to shell out for 2x each of these 12 masterpieces.  I'd much rather spend $240 to get 24 of these figures than $240 on 48 recarded/rehashed figures.

You can say that again Jeff...  I'm jonesin' for 2 sets of these as well, and more of at least some of them...  Even at $10 they're the best figures ever for this line.

I hope, once again, that these see a wider release for cheaper prices later down the line.  I also hope this opens some doors (and eyes) that these kinds of figures are doable in this scale and with normal "standard" packaging they're doable for fair prices.

Give me more figures like these please.  They're damn near perfect IMO.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on May 20, 2004, 11:49 PM
The two major gripes I've had so far is Lando's cape and elbows and 3PO's mystery articulation

3PO might clear up when we get some better shots.  Lando is sketchy

Who else is dreaming of a Gadgeted galore R2-D2 with all of the bells and whistles??? (Lightsaber door, periscope, sensorscope, "arms", datalink etc etc)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Nicklab on May 20, 2004, 11:52 PM
The new Toyfare shows C-3PO better, but it's not totally clear how he's articulated.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on May 21, 2004, 12:02 AM
Yeah I've seen the Toyfare spread and studied 3PO for a long time and still have no idea.  It also doesn't look too shiny which might just be the pic and lighting.  I'd like an ultimate clean 3PO (as he appeared through most of ESB and ROTJ) if we're going to get one
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Nicklab on May 21, 2004, 12:09 AM
The only new sign of articulation I saw in the Toyfare spread is around C-3PO's midsection.  Right in that area where the wiring trunk meets the upper body is where I think it is.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on May 21, 2004, 12:13 AM
Yeah and his shoulders looked a little funny

Durge over at RS has a scan (not a very good one) :P

http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v79/Durge/DSC01708.jpg
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on May 21, 2004, 12:38 AM
I was thinking of that too, but doubting it happens personally.  

The thought of a Super R2 is great though.  :)

On the figures, it sounds like they don't ALL have ALL the articulation points of a "SA" figure.  Leia seems to have only one wrist from how things are worded, but nonetheless it's the nicest Leia ever...  Really a nice figure.

I'm just imaginging that R2 will be a poseable, plain, clean R2.  nothing more.  :(
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: JediMAC on May 21, 2004, 01:53 AM
And I'll be, the Obi-Wan cloth robes actually look GOOD.

Funny, since we were just talking this afternoon about how he was too "poofy" looking.  Of course, that was the loose figure we were discussing.  I'm not real surprised to see that Obi-Wan looks a lot better packaged in the bubble, since the bubble squishes down his poofy cloth robe all nice and snug against him, which I agree looks much better.

But I still think he looks like a giant burnt marshmellow when he's loose.  Might have to find some of that glue folks use, to calm his cloak down just a tad.

I'm still not convinced on the Leia.  I think I need to see her up close and personal to pass final judgement.  Something about her just looks a little off to me.  We'll see.  Still better than most/all of the other ANH Leias though...
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on May 21, 2004, 09:12 AM
Here are some higher res pictures of Leia. Still can't quite make out all facial features though...

More VOTC Leia Carded Photos
 (http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/templates/full_article_template_1.asp?articleid=2815&zoneid=2)

VERY nice cards though.  Have I mentioned I love these?

Jeff
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Nicklab on May 21, 2004, 09:57 AM
And I'll be, the Obi-Wan cloth robes actually look GOOD.

Funny, since we were just talking this afternoon about how he was too "poofy" looking.  Of course, that was the loose figure we were discussing.  I'm not real surprised to see that Obi-Wan looks a lot better packaged in the bubble, since the bubble squishes down his poofy cloth robe all nice and snug against him, which I agree looks much better.

But I still think he looks like a giant burnt marshmellow when he's loose.  Might have to find some of that glue folks use, to calm his cloak down just a tad.

I'm still not convinced on the Leia.  I think I need to see her up close and personal to pass final judgement.  Something about her just looks a little off to me.  We'll see.  Still better than most/all of the other ANH Leias though...

I think there might be a non-glue solution to this.  The answer?  A needle and thread.  It might be possible to strategically tie-down the robe to Obi-Wan's body using some thread.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on May 21, 2004, 11:39 AM
What I'll never understand about Hasbro and softgoods is that they MADE awesome softgoods on a Jedi's robes already.  Total Control Mace Windu.  

That guy's robe even has a pattern to it that matches the way his arms were sculpted.

The fabric hangs very well, and even catches wind in a fan to look like he's got a breeze blowing his coat around.

Why they choose to not use that knit fabric all the time is beyond me.  It doesn't need sewn at the edges, it has stretch to it, it hangs off the figure better than any fabric I've ever seen.

Go with that, ya know?  

I've been searching for that type of fabric high and low in my area just to sew up my own robes for some other Jedi figures.  Carry Old Mace in my pocket for reference, but I've been having a tough time finding the right match.

I'd think Hasbro would be able to do this irregardless though.   It'd look great on all figures I think.  Yoda's coat almost looks like this is what they used even.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on May 21, 2004, 12:07 PM
The only new sign of articulation I saw in the Toyfare spread is around C-3PO's midsection.  Right in that area where the wiring trunk meets the upper body is where I think it is.

EGAD!

I just had a preponderance regarding C-3PO.  Looking at that picture of 3PO in ToyFare, I thought, man, that is a funny gap at his torso, when a thought hit me like a ton of bricks.

This 3PO is from the ESB, on an ESB card, right?

What is he has poor articulation because... he has removable limbs?!?

If they do the 3PO ESB Card 100% accurate, he'd have the "removable limbs" tag if they use this card.

(http://www.12back.com/figures/C-e-c3po-rl.jpg)

Hmmm... hadn't even occurred to me until just now.

Or do you think they'll use the boring basic 3PO card:

(http://www.12back.com/figures/C-e-c3po.jpg)

What do you guys think?
Jeff


Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on May 21, 2004, 12:28 PM
3PO has got me thinking...

We've seen the ESB figures, but not the cards.

Hasbro has already stated (in the Toy Box column in Insider #76) that due to legal reasons, they will not be able to repro any of the "free offer" like Free 4-LOM or Ackbar, so we know the cards will be the plain versions.

Just thought I'd post pictures of the cards for Vader, Lando, and Yoda:

ESB C-3PO Card (http://www.12back.com/figures/C-e-c3po.jpg)
OR
ESB C-3PO (removable Limbs) - see above

ESB Vader Card (http://www.12back.com/figures/C-e-darth.jpg)

ESB Yoda Card (http://www.12back.com/figures/C-e-yoda.jpg)

ESB Lando Card (http://www.12back.com/figures/C-e-lando.jpg)


Jeff
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on May 21, 2004, 10:27 PM
Wave 2 is up for preorder at EE

Wave 2 (http://www.entertainmentearth.com/aff-home.asp?id=JE-405087801&number=HS85213B)

2x Lando
2x Vader
2x Yoda

and

1x Luke
1x Han ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: JediMAC on May 22, 2004, 03:13 AM
Interesting observation there Jeff, and you may be on to something, but I honestly hope you're guess is wrong.  I don't want another removable limbs 3PO, I want a first-ever super articulated one.  That's it.  And shiny too.  That's not so much to ask now, is it?

So hopefully they just use the regular 3PO vintage card that you have pictured second there, rather than the Removable Limbs one.  I like the look of the original 12 figure cards myself (even if they have to be on an ESB or ROTJ card).  They should've just done the original 12 in the first place, and maybe tossed in one more POTF wave with Yoda, Fett, Lando, and the Emperor...  Meesa loven da 12-backs muy muy.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Darby on May 22, 2004, 03:28 AM
I hope he doesn't have removable limbs, because then I'll have to buy him.  As such, I think they would have mentioned it by now, but you never know.

I still don't like Stay Puft Marshmallow Obi.  Give me a 'live' version of that new spirit one and I'm set.  The Leia is very nice, though.  
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on May 22, 2004, 05:10 PM
Quote
Wave 2 is up for preorder at EE

Greeeeeeat. And Leia still looks to be packed 1 per case in Wave 1, and doesn't reappear in Wave 2. When I can't even CMA with case ordering, something is really wrong. Are primates doing the case breakdowns at Hasbro?

Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on May 24, 2004, 09:51 AM
I'm still really liking this entire line of figures, hopefully we'll get some more pics soon (preferrably of Wave 3).  Now that Hasbro has finally started their "features" on each of the 12, we should start to learn a little more about each of them.  Thanks for posting the news about Wave 2 being up for sale Scott.  I'd like to hold out to find these at retail, but the way things have been around here lately (nothing new since Tatooine wave), I don't know if I can trust that.  Plus, despite the price, these should be pretty popular.  Like I said when we first saw shots of these, I think this is the type of line where if I didn't or couldn't have anything else as a Star Wars collection, I'd like to have these 12 figures on a shelf.  From the ones we have seen so far, they look pretty spiff-tastic.

I'm with those who are hoping for a gadget laden R2.  That would be pretty cool.  I'm curious to see what they do with Fett and Chewie as well.  This collection is basically just what I've wanted, well articulated versions of the main characters who are able to be neutrally posed or posed as you want...and to top it off, they are using the vintage cardbacks.  Now if they would follow JesseJames' advice and do this for at least the main characters/army builders throughout the other movies, we'd be all set.  Even though I'm more of an OT person than PT, I wouldn't mind seeing versions like this of PT Anakin, Obi, Padme, etc.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on May 24, 2004, 12:59 PM
Wave 2 is up for preorder at EE

Wave 2 (http://www.entertainmentearth.com/aff-home.asp?id=JE-405087801&number=HS85213B)

2x Lando
2x Vader
2x Yoda

and

1x Luke
1x Han ::) ::) ::)

Well here is Wave 2.5 (http://www.entertainmentearth.com/aff-home.asp?id=JE-405087801&number=HS85213B2)

2x C-3PO
1x Vader
1x Yoda
1x Luke
1x Han
1x Leia
1x Obi-Wan
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on May 24, 2004, 01:02 PM
(http://fp.entertainmentearth.com/AUTOIMAGES/HS85213B2lg.jpg)
(http://fp.entertainmentearth.com/AUTOIMAGES/HS85213Blg.jpg)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on May 24, 2004, 02:03 PM
Wave 2 is up for preorder at EE

Wave 2 (http://www.entertainmentearth.com/aff-home.asp?id=JE-405087801&number=HS85213B)

2x Lando
2x Vader
2x Yoda

and

1x Luke
1x Han ::) ::) ::)

Well here is Wave 2.5 (http://www.entertainmentearth.com/aff-home.asp?id=JE-405087801&number=HS85213B2)

2x C-3PO
1x Vader
1x Yoda
1x Luke
1x Han
1x Leia
1x Obi-Wan

 >:(

Hasbro!  Pull your head out of your butt!

Why the heck didn't you just stick with 2x each of the new characters?

 :'(

Jeff
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on May 24, 2004, 02:06 PM
Well, because shmucks like me will now buy 3 different cases to make sure I have 2x of each figure ::)  I sure hope supply is enough to meet demand on these and retail doesn't get preferrential treatment to etailers

It is nice these should be out at a non high-retail demand time...if they were due in October I'd be more worried
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on May 24, 2004, 02:15 PM
Yeah,  it looks like I'll be changing my pre-order to get 3 cases too (wave 1, wave 2, wave 2.5), so that I can practice CYA on these.

Based on what I've seen so far, Hasbro will probably do something stupid and go with the following for wave 3/3.5:

[FUN SPECULATION, not fact]
Wave 3
2x Boba Fett
2x R2-D2
1x Vader
1x C3PO
1x Han
1x Luke

Wave 3.5
2x Chewie
1x Han
1x Luke
1x Lando
1x Yoda
1x Vader
1x Stormtrooper

 :P

That way they can split up the cases again and ensure that the only Army builder is just one per case...   :-\

Jeff
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on May 24, 2004, 02:54 PM
Oh well, no harm in ordering and then cancelling later if wave 3 case ratios fixes things. I put my order in.

What really bothers me is that they didn't go for 12 figures per case, obviously because of the clamshell packaging. 12 would solve all problems. Wouldn't it be nice to just be able to order a nice assortment of 12, 1 each of the figure, afer wave 3?  ::)

I'm starting to turn into Col. Klink about this.

(http://www.leisuresuit.net/Webzine/cont_grf/wernerklemperer.jpg)
Haaaaaaassssssbro!
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on May 26, 2004, 10:07 AM
(http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/images/news/hansolo_vintage.jpg)

Han's up over at Hasbro

http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/pl/page.headlines/id.1040/dn/default.cfm
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on May 26, 2004, 10:51 AM
Being a Han fan, I think this might be my favorite figure of all time...at least judging by the pictures.  The likeness/paint look excellent, he has great articulation (all those ball joints) without looking strange, and can be neutrally or self-posed.  All that, along with the vintage cardback, makes this pretty spifftastic in my book.  This whole line looks great so far though, sounds like Luke is up next.  Thanks for the link Scott.  If they keep doing two per week, we should be getting some nice images of the ESB waves over the next couple of weeks....then on to the ROTJ, which we haven't seen much of yet.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on May 26, 2004, 12:06 PM
Excellent.

I love this Han Solo figure.

I am trying to convince my wife that the new OTC Falcon, vOTC Han Solo and vOTC Chewbacca need a place of honor in the Living Room, but I think I'm losing the battle...

Jeff


Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on May 26, 2004, 12:15 PM
Quote
I am trying to convince my wife that the new OTC Falcon, vOTC Han Solo and vOTC Chewbacca need a place of honor in the Living Room, but I think I'm losing the battle...

That's a great idea, but I doubt I win that battle either :).
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on May 26, 2004, 04:24 PM
(http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/images/news/luke_vintage.jpg)
So is Luke now too

http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/pl/page.headlines/id.1041/dn/default.cfm
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: jadesfire on May 26, 2004, 08:35 PM
Placed my order for wave 2.  I'm hoping wave 3 will give me a C-3PO. :-\
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on May 31, 2004, 02:42 PM
GH has loose pics of Obi-Wan (http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/templates/full_article_template_1.asp?articleid=2860&zoneid=2) and Leia (http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/templates/full_article_template_1.asp?articleid=2857&zoneid=2)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on May 31, 2004, 03:05 PM
I can't say I'm all that excited now.

The Ben has more going against it than it has going for it. The articulation is nice, but anything that it brings to the figure is robbed by all the puffiness of the soft goods. I think I'd prefer a 'live" Ben from OTC after seeing these pics.

Leia is OK. That's a pretty nice headsculpt. She finally has a good Carrie Fisher ANH likeness. I just don't see a lot of use for her in my collection (at least opened). If they had to go softgoods, they should have included a flip-down hood. Then at least the figure would be unique.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on June 1, 2004, 01:52 AM
I like both...  I think they are the true "ultimate" versions of both figures, yet while I love the Leia figure I was slightly let down by the Ben.

The Ben's lack of knee articulation is VERY disappointing.  The only good there is at least he can still be seated in the Landspeeder.  He just can't be seated in a real chair...  That's highly disappointing that Hasbro would skimp that one little area...  That one little detail.

The cloak I can deal with, but then again I'm trying to make my own less puffy one too so I'm biased.

Hasbro's work with softgoods is attrocious at times, and I'll admit Ben's OUTER robe is definitely not that hot.  Why they use that thick fabric I'll never understand.

I reviewed Total Control Mace Windu here when I started...

(http://www.jedidefender.com/reviews/macecontrol/mace2.jpg)

I'm sure a lot of you guys never bought him, but he was a surprisingly fun figure...  Irregardless though, he had THE BEST type of fabric on a figure in this scale that I have ever seen/felt in person.  It's woven tightly, it doesn't require stitching at the edges, it is THIN, it hangs well and even folds up some...

It's simply great.  Hasbro should be using it exclusively for sftgoods in this scale, yet they've never used it since.   >:(  Really pisses me off, honestly.  They've acheived "perfection" but refuse to repeat it.

So Ben's not bad but could be better...  Leia, to me, is as good as it's gonna get.  

They're skimping on articulation still, which sucks, but they're still making some pretty good figures.

To me the Leia's one of the most needed because I don't think an ANH Leia (arguably one of her most iconic outfits) hasn't got a "good" figure yet.  That looks perfect to me.  Still I see how a softgoods hood would really have done great!

I'm anxious to see all the others.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on June 1, 2004, 05:04 AM
Yeah, TC Mace was so cool as a toy that it won me over.

I wonder if there is a defect rate on soft goods manufacturing. (You know, say 1 in 10 tears when being sewn, etc). Maybe they use the stiffer material (on Ben) because it has a higher durability. I dunno, it just doesn't make sense why they wouldn't use the TC Mace stuff again.

Then again, Yoda looks great in his soft goods, and that stuff looks really, really thin.

I'd be much more stoked on Ben if the outer robe was better. As it is, I'll be inclined to take it off for display. But, then again, I'm of the opinion that his body form has been compromised for articulation, and it needs the outer cloak to hide it. Ah well.

Where are pics of the Stormtrooper and Fett? I'm dying to see Fett... my hopes are extremely (and unrealistically) high for him.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on June 1, 2004, 09:49 AM
I agree with Jesse on the cloak for the Total Control Mace.  His review (along with some others) convinced me to buy that figure, just because many said it was so "fun".  It was a good toy (kind of a crappy figure, but fun), and you are right the cloak was very well done.  Not sure why they don't utilize that material more often.

As far as these VOTC figures, I really think they all look great so far, and I don't know if I have looked forward to figures this much for quite some time.  I think the Leia is about as good as it gets too (hood would have been nice, as mentioned), and finally a pretty good Fisher likeness.  This figure looks nice.  The Ben, I really like, but don't understand why they didn't include knee articulation with it.  Also, the cloak does look a little bulky to me too.  I usually like soft goods for the most part, but this one does look extra puffy.  Otherwise, the figure is pretty good.

I agree, I can't wait to see more pics of the rest of this line (particularly Wave 3).  Hasbro is supposed to have an update on the Vader this week, that should be one nice figure from what we have seen so far.  Can't wait to see what is in store for Fett, Chewie, and R2....as well as a better look at the Stormy.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on June 2, 2004, 02:40 PM
You know, reading through some of the opinions on the OTC got me to thinking about this VOTC line.  One of the excuses we often hear from Hasbro (or people backing Hasbro up) is that the reason that the OTC line is mostly re-releases is because they were focused on Episode III and didn't know about the DVD release in time to get any figures out.  If this is true, then what were these VOTC figures being developed for?  They obviously put a lot of time and effort into each of these figures (at least the ones we've seen so far), so its not like they were rush jobs.  Either Hasbro knew soon enough to make these 12, and no others, or they knew all along and this was their plan (rereleases, etc.)  If not, I wonder what the original plan was for these 12 VOTC beauties...regular carded release?  Some sort of "ultimate" line?  What do you think?
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on June 2, 2004, 03:11 PM
I've never, ever bought the line that they were blindsided by the OT DVD release. Concrete rumors were circulating months in advance of the official announcement, as was its probable private announcement to licensors at the Lucasfilm Summit even earlie.

What they were more likely surprised by was the scope of the release. They probably had 12 nicely done figures in special packaging ready for fall in special packaging and the Millennium Falcon. (The Falcon's retooling looks to have been not a last minute thing). You don't redevelop and release a $50 OT vehicle without some promotional support behind it to 1) convince retailers to sacrifice floorspace for it, and 2) move enough of the suckers once on the floor. They had to know it was coming.

Then, when talking to buyers/retailers they realized they could push this a lot further, pushed all their PT stuff on the board off until next year, and got greedy as hell with all the recards because the major retailers have a breif newfound optimism for all things OT because of the DVD. Hasbro, being Hasbro, milked it, damn the torpedoes.

I bet this was it, originally. 12 really special figures and a couple iconic ships, on really special packaging. Simple and appropriate. I guess that's why it didn't make sense to them in the end.  >:(


Edit: God my spelling really sucks. Fixed.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on June 2, 2004, 03:44 PM
I think you're right Tydirium....they knew full well about the DVDs, they had to have at least known when we were hearing rumors you would think.  The 12 figs and Falcon (maybe X-Wing or Tie too) were probably the original plan.  And to think, if they would have just utilized OTC-style cards the whole year, threw out these 12 VOTC figs with a couple of ships for the DVD release, just think how much happier most of the collecting community would be.  I'm not complaining, it has been a really great year for figures (especially for OT enthusiasts)...but the re-card-o-rama for the last half of the year has really been the sticking point for many of us I know.  I think Hasbro would have been better served to start the "OTC" style at the beginning of 2004, continue to sprinkle in some new figures until the end of the year (with a few recards if they needed to), then have the VOTC and a couple of ships for the "special release".
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Darby on June 2, 2004, 04:00 PM
I totally agree.  The year has been pretty fantastic all things considered, and really, this giant break I'm getting this fall really helps.  It will give me time to go away a little and come back next year all excited again.

And yeah, Hasbro totally knew.  I agree on the idea that the original plan was the 12 figures and ships.  
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on June 4, 2004, 09:09 AM
VADER VADER VADER!

SEE VADER HERE! (http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/pl/page.headlines/id.1044/dn/default.cfm)

(http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/images/news/vintage_vader.jpg)

"Based on The Empire Strikes Back, the vintage Darth Vader has sculpting and articulation that allow for exciting true-to-life poses. Vader’s ball-jointed knees, shoulders, and angled biceps were sculpted to achieve Vader’s kneeling pose in front of the Emperor in his meditation chamber.  His left hand is sculpted to place around another figure’s neck, providing a powerful choking feature. To allow for greater flexibility while posing, this figure is equipped with a soft plastic belt that was molded as a separate piece and is trapped at his lower back.

The vintage Darth Vader has a total of 12 points of articulation including angled biceps and ball-jointed head, shoulders and knees. He has standard articulation at his wrists, waist, and hips. Outfitted in a classic black soft-goods skirt and outer cloak, the vintage Vader comes with both a fully extended lightsaber and hilt.

For the packaging, we’ve recreated the Darth Vader version from The Empire Strikes Back. Some of the unique features from The Empire Strikes Back include:

Single silver bar around the character image but double silver bars around the movie title
Removal of the Luke & Leia image first seen on the A New Hope packaging
Removal of the price box
Gold accent color behind Vader figure
Coffin-style blister
Butterfly peg hook, die-cut but not punched out!
And the Kenner logo
Check back later to see the vintage Vader in-package."

Jeff
very happy!
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on June 4, 2004, 09:19 AM
Thanks for posting Jeff, this figure really looks amazing.  I like that there are ball-jointed knees, etc., and it sounds like he will be quite poseable.  This VOTC line continues to impress me, and I can't wait to see more of them in the coming weeks.  Like I have said before, if I couldn't have a big collection and had to limit it, I think I'd pick up these 12 figures and display them on their own.  I'm still thinking about creating some sort of minidisplay with just these figures, they just look so amazing so far.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: DoctorPadawan on June 4, 2004, 11:23 AM
The Vader looks really nice.  I would have liked to have had the ball-jointed elbows, but three out of four isn't that bad. :)

The only thing that has bothered me about the soft goods Jedi cloaks over the years has been the hoods.  The bulk of the thicker material never really bothered me as much as the fact that none of the hoods look good when they're pulled over the figure's head.  This was especially noticeable on the Episode I accessory pack cloaks in 1999, but even the Saga Pilot Obi-Wan has the same problem.

As Jesse James said, the cloak on the Total Control Mace (a figure I wanted to hate but ended up enjoying a great deal as a toy) was really well done and didn't have the same problems the Pilot Obi-Wan did in terms of bulk.  Even the cloak on the new Jedi Luke from this year was done really well, aside from my gripe with the hood, as it was done in a similar material.  

That said, and lack of knee articulation aside, I really do like the VOTC Obi-Wan.  It looks nice, and they put a lot of effort into it and the other figures.   Believe it or not, the one figure I've seen so far that I'm not totally sold on is the Han.  It just doesn't look right to me, but I'm reserving judgment until I actually have it in my hands.

As for Hasbro "not knowing" about the DVDs, they knew.  They've never been straightforward and honest with the people who buy their products and they'll do anything they can to pass the buck and feign ignorance to make someone else look like the bad guy.  They probably knew before anyone else knew, save LFL.  Why else would every product released in early 2004's Saga offerings be completely OT-focused?  
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: JediMAC on June 4, 2004, 11:32 AM
I think there's definitely some potential with the Vader here, but I've got a few qualms that will make me wait to see it in person 'til I pass final judgement.  First, the cape doesn't seem too "snug" at the neck area like it should be.  Very spread out at the top where it attaches to his chain (that's a real chain, right?)  I'm also concerned that he doesn't have his shorter waist cape (inside his regular one).

Cool to hear that we've finally got the "choking" Vader grip so we can finally kill off that whimpy Antilles dude properly!   8)  Glad to see Hasbro's not ignoring the saber hilt too.  Cool of them to include the full lightsaber, as well as the hilt, since they're not doing the fragile detachable blades anymore.  Did anyone catch if we're getting both with Luke and Ben as well?  I wasn't paying attention...
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on June 4, 2004, 12:19 PM
Something weird about his head, its like it is smooshed down or something, otherwise the sound of ball/socket joints makes me very, very happy.  We'll see how the cape looks, sorta like Obi-Wan, I gotta see how this turns out
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on June 4, 2004, 01:30 PM
This is the nice generic Vader they've needed for a long time. It should be in the regular line. I'll give the soft goods cloak a chance on this one. From the pic it looks almost sheer, so it should be fairly flexible.

It's not my "ultimate" Vader though. That would require the Madine-style elbow articulation, and ball sockets at the ankles, too. (Hah, this is how much the SA Clone has spoiled me... I'm considering ankle ballsocket articulation mandatory).

And I think something's wrong with the head, too. Maybe it's a bit undersized.

Nitpicky point - isn't this an ANH Vader? I thought the inner cloak design, where it hangs next to the chestplate, tucks under the belt, and opens at the waist, was purely ANH. Or am I on crack?
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on June 4, 2004, 01:37 PM
I think I remember hearing somewhere he wore a skirt on Hoth

Can't really find a full length Hoth Pic to confirm though

Did find this!

(http://216.127.78.103/~dutch-starwars.com/database/personen/pics/darth_sidious.jpg)

The shoulder and chest plates are ESB/ROTJ versions
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on June 4, 2004, 02:02 PM
Ok, looks like it's correct - I'm wrong. I went and checked the Hyperspace image of Vader from that weird publicity still shot. It has a nice neutral stance, straight on. The inner cloak does work just like they implemented on the figure.

I'm too lazy to steal it and post it elsewhere, so here's the link for Hyperspace here (http://www.starwars.com/hyperspace/member/photoreceptor/2004/05/photoreceptor20040519.html).

I still think the melon is too small.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on June 4, 2004, 02:06 PM
OK...and I think I'm right on the Hoth Skirt thing...he only wore that there, the rest of the movie he is without it
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: JediMAC on June 4, 2004, 02:07 PM
Boy, that's a helpful picture there...   ::)   :P

This is technically supposed to be an ESB version of Vader, after all.  So I'd say it's got the appropriate chest plate with the silver/black color combination happening.  I was going to ask the same question on the inner cloak - if Vader had it in all of ESB and ROTJ too, since I could only remember ANH and Hoth for sure.  If he doesn't have it in the rest of the movies, then I guess I can live with it missing from this figure.

Not sure if his head is really "smooshed down", or if the black cape extending behind his head just makes it look that way (since you can't see his neck, or any space between his head and shoulders).  Hopefully it turns out fine though...
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: JediMAC on June 4, 2004, 02:25 PM
The inner cloak does work just like they implemented on the figure.

Huh?  I don't see it.  I think I see the upper portion tucked in around his chest plate, as it should be, but I don't see anything on the figure beyond that...  That Hyperspace pic definitely shows the lower portion of the inner skirt piece though.

Unfortunately, I'm having a bitch of a time trying to find any decent full body shots from ESB or ROTJ.  Stay tuned for more...

(http://momentin.com/david/darthec/images/pics/BobFlag.jpg)

 :P
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on June 4, 2004, 02:26 PM
Agreed, most shots are just waist up...Matt you seem to confirm that he did wear a skirt on Hoth though...right?
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: JediMAC on June 4, 2004, 02:40 PM
You can definitely see the top portion in this shot.  I'll see if I can find a better, full length one though.

(http://www.starwarssource.net/Characters/Darth_Vader/Images/VADER_007.JPG)

Hmm...  Hard to tell...

(http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/4928/freezingchamber.jpg)

Looks like a skirt blowing in the Cloud City breeze...

(http://www.starwarssource.net/Characters/Darth_Vader/Images/VADER_003.JPG)

Looks like a separate skirt draped over his knees:

(http://www.lord-vader.com/images/Vader/LV05.jpg)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: JediMAC on June 4, 2004, 02:56 PM
Definitely there in ESB:

(http://www.lord-vader.com/images/Vader/LV13.jpg)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on June 4, 2004, 06:25 PM
Well that certainly solves it.

Huh?  I don't see it.  I think I see the upper portion tucked in around his chest plate, as it should be, but I don't see anything on the figure beyond that...  That Hyperspace pic definitely shows the lower portion of the inner skirt piece though.

I was speaking about the inner robe around the chest plate, the part sculpted in plastic, not the soft goods bottom "skirt". I can't even make it out from the new Hasbro pic. BUT it's prominent in the Lee's mag pictures from before.  
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on June 8, 2004, 10:01 AM
(http://www.galactichunter.com/absoluteig/gallery/modern_hasbro/original_trilogy_collection/vintage_otc/a_new_hope/han_solo/votc-han_17.jpg)

Wowza...what an awesome looking figure

Han Preview (http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/templates/full_article_template_1.asp?articleid=2910&zoneid=2)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on June 8, 2004, 10:22 AM
I've gone to look over those pictures at GH a couple of times today, and I think this figure looks great as well.  Being a Han fan, probably my favorite figure of all time.  I really wish these VOTC figures were released on normal cards, or at least somehow at the normal $5-6 pricepoint.  They have all been amazing so far from what we have seen.  I used to think the Commtech Han Solo was great (and it still is a good figure, aside from the re-releases), but it doesn't seem to be in the same ballpark as this new one.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on June 8, 2004, 10:43 AM
Don't know if everyone has seen these pictures yet...

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/6-04/VOTCc3po.jpg)

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/6-04/VOTClando.jpg)

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/6-04/VOTCyoda.jpg)

Hehehe

Jeff
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on June 8, 2004, 10:49 AM
Thanks Scoop ;)

They look nice, the mysteries around 3PO remain however
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on June 8, 2004, 01:07 PM
Yoda bugs the crap outta me...the green is way off and so are his eyes.  The softgoods and everything else look great but the head looks bad, bad, bad.  I can't understand why they haven't been able to nail him down

(http://www.provide.net/~hallberg/image/yoda.jpg)
(http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/yoda/img/eu_bg.jpg)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on June 8, 2004, 02:39 PM
I used to think the Commtech Han Solo was great (and it still is a good figure, aside from the re-releases), but it doesn't seem to be in the same ballpark as this new one.

That's my thought on the figure too. Putting them side by side really shows how much of an improvement the new one is. The headsculpt smokes the Commtech version. I'm still iffy on the whole ballsocket head thing, however. It looks freakish from the side. I think I'll let it slide, though.  ;)

Love the soft goods on Yoda. I don't know what's up with the inability to nail down the ESB Yoda skin tone, either. Maybe they're shooting for PT consistency.  ::)

Hate the soft goods on Lando. It may be customization time with a POTJ Lando cape for this guy.

What's going on with 3PO? The shoulder sockets look so obvious, that I'm starting to worry that there's zero articulation below the waist since you can't see diddly.

Thanks for getting those wave 2 pics!
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on June 8, 2004, 02:47 PM
Yeah, thanks Jeff for the pics of the ESB VOTC figures.  I'm really looking forward to this whole line.  I do agree with what some others have said though.  Although I really do like this Yoda, and it looks like it could be the best of what they have released (soft goods looks really well done on this one), it doesn't seem like they've ever been able to quite "get" his face sculpt or color.  I always thought they could nail him, since "aliens" usually are easier for the toy companies to do.  Overall, it does look nice though...the green could be a bit lighter and that would help a lot.  I'm not a fan of the soft goods on this Lando either, the POTJ one seemed much better.  However, the sculpt does look pretty nice...with good articulation too.  3PO looks good, but it is tough to make out what his articulation is...and where it is.  Overall, all of these figures have seemed to have great sculpts so far, our only questions seem to mostly be with soft goods and/or articulation.  Hopefully we'll get another "figure spotlight" this week from Hasbro, they never did update with the carded version of Vader (as alluded to), but I guess they did only say "later", so that could be any time. ;)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on June 8, 2004, 03:06 PM
Someone pointed this out at RS and I think it's right...the Flashback Yoda has the best modern Headsculpt to date...look at the color and eyes...I know its my personal favorite

(http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2/potf2fbyodaloose.jpg)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: JediMAC on June 9, 2004, 02:37 AM
So, it looks like we've finally got our answer to this little "vintage-styled" figure enigma, ...

So, what are your predictions for the remaining 9 figures for this line?

ANH:
Luke
Han
Obi-Wan
Leia

ESB:
Yoda
Lando
Vader
Boba Fett

ROTJ:
Chewy
C-3PO
R2-D2
Stormtrooper

I just noticed my picks are identical to Mikey's in the OTC thread...  The only unfortunate exclusion here would be the Emperor...

Boy, maybe I deserve a prize if the exclusive Emperor figure winds up being a VOTC one.  12 for 12, plus the bonus round...   ;)   :P
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on June 9, 2004, 09:36 AM
Don't throw your shoulder out patting yourself on the back ::) :-*

Nothing is confirmed on that one yet :P
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on June 9, 2004, 09:41 AM
Hmmm...

vOTC Emperor is a possibility, but a long shot I'm sure.

And IF the Hyperspace IS a vOTC Emperor, I hope it's packaged like the rest, with the clamshell.  I'd look stupid next to the other 12 if it were packaged different!  Plus, the Clamshell might make it easier for SWS.com to ship them with out FUBARing it too much.

I guess we wait and see...

Jeff

 

Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: wai on June 11, 2004, 11:45 AM
VOTC Wave 1 was out now here :)

The case break down is:

2x Leia
3x Han
3x Ben

Luke was cancelled.The retailer says he will be added in Wave 2.
US$15 each.

Not sure if the case break down is same as US but just quick note.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on June 11, 2004, 11:51 AM
Pardon if its been posted elsewhere, but this is the first clean image of Leia I've seen yet (from EE's site):

(http://fp.entertainmentearth.com/AUTOIMAGES/HS85213A2lg.jpg)

A lot better than I had been expecting.

EDIT: Ugh, and reading the case ratios makes me a little annoyed:

Regular Asst:
2x Han Solo
3x Luke Skywalker
2x Obi-Wan Kenobi
1x Princess Leia

Alt Asst:
3x Han Solo
3x Obi-Wan Kenobi
2x Princess Leia

What's wrong with shipping even case ratios, Hasbro?  ::)
He's not canceled just not ready yet...seems like there are two cases for Series 1
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: wai on June 11, 2004, 11:58 AM
I got it.Thank you both of you :)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on June 11, 2004, 11:59 AM
Also note I've seen lots and lots of Han, Ben and Leia samples and relatively few Luke's I'm guessing he was the last to be produced...might have been a tooling or change in production issue
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on June 12, 2004, 01:54 AM
Hey Wai,

You get ahold of any of the VOTC figures yet?  THese are doozies that I've been waiting for here in the States and was wondering if you had a hands-on opinion of them you could give?

These are definitely shaping up to be my favs....
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on June 13, 2004, 07:12 PM
Because I have nothing better to do on a Sunday:
(http://members.aol.com/jaredbrinkley/TOTC.jpg)

Everything looks better in OTC packaging, says me. This is how I'd like to see these guys released, and at the normal pricepoint.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on June 14, 2004, 08:31 AM
Nice work Tydirium...those sure do look nice on the OTC cardbacks.  It would be really nice if they would release these this way.  Not that I don't like the vintage cardbacks, but they would probably sell quite a few more of these figures if they were packaged like this, at the normal pricepoint.  They look great though, again, nice work.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on June 14, 2004, 05:00 PM
Indeed, that's a cool photoshop Tydirium, and I agree that I like those cards better.

I just hope Hasbro has the common sense to repackage them at some point like that.

What I'd actually really like is for them to pre-pose the figures in the packaging to show off the kickass articulation too.  Show just how fun the figure can be, and I bet more kids would cry for those figures than others in the toy aisle.

The packaging from the VOTC isn't great to me, but I do love the OTC basic cardback with the unique backgrounds.  Sweet stuff.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: jokabofe on June 14, 2004, 10:50 PM
I just hope Hasbro has the common sense to repackage them at some point like that.

spoken like a hasbro stock holder  ;)

what, you actually want more re-packs???
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on June 15, 2004, 01:30 PM
I see ActionHQ has the VOTC Han, Obi-Wan, and Leia in stock now and ready to ship (for $15.95 a piece).  Hopefully some of the other online stores (EE in particular) will be getting their shipments soon as well :)  I don't think I have personally looked forward to figures this much in quite some time, although I do wish they were a little cheaper.  But, they appear to be showing up...and perhaps the Luke is lagging behind in a different assortment since he isn't offered here either.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on June 16, 2004, 11:24 AM
I read (while lurking at RS) that some people are getting "processing" or "pending" on their VOTC (1st wave) orders from places like EE and Kebco, has anyone here gotten that as well?  Hopefully these will start showing up/shipping soon.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on June 16, 2004, 11:31 AM
My order still says backorder at EE...I ordered the case though with Luke which I don't think has been released yet :-\
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Vator on June 16, 2004, 11:36 AM
I assume these have hit the market in Hong Kong? If so, I may be in luck.

What's the story on Wave II and III, how come we haven't seen good pics of those? Holding out for comic con I guess.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on June 16, 2004, 11:40 AM
Don't know if everyone has seen these pictures yet...
(http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/images/news/vintage_vader.jpg)

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/6-04/VOTCc3po.jpg)

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/6-04/VOTClando.jpg)

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/6-04/VOTCyoda.jpg)

Hehehe

Jeff


Here's Wave II

Nothing on Wave III, Comic Con for sure I would guess...hopefully some more surprises as well!
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Vator on June 16, 2004, 11:43 AM
Ahh, thank you. Utterly forgot about those.

I suppose it's time to start a comic con specualtion thread eh?
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on June 16, 2004, 11:45 AM
No prob Andrew...feel free to do so.  "Scoop" JediMAC will be attending the show for JD.com...we could start a list of questions he could ask Hasbro :)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: wai on June 16, 2004, 12:17 PM
I just got them a few days ago but no Luke >:( The shop says will back order the "real" Wave 1 which including 3x Luke and will reserve one for me :)
I love them very much :o :o :o One of reasons is their vintage feel.I cannot afford the real vintage,so I will buy them all 12 figures.Another reason is each figure comes with a nice design starcase.You don't worry you will get the non-mint figures.They must be in mint condition ;)I'm sorry to hear that only 12 figures will be released, at least at this moment :-[
In wave 2,there is much worst.There are 2  different assortment.

Wave 2
2x Darth Vader
2x Yoda
2x Lando
1x Han
1x Luke

Wave 2.5
1x Luke Skywalker
1x Han Solo
1x Obi-Wan
1x Princess Leia
1x Darth Vader
1x Yoda
2x C-3PO

You can notice Wave 2 is no C-3PO and Wave 2.5 is no Lando >:( The case breakdown is from Hong Kong.Hope not the same in US.Not sure my local shops which wave have been ordered :-[
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on June 16, 2004, 12:20 PM
It is the same here wai, I ordered a case of each :'(
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: wai on June 16, 2004, 01:10 PM
OCB,
Oh,you're so rich ;D

Will you trade the extras like Lando,C-3PO?
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on June 17, 2004, 04:43 PM
You can see the underskirts really well right here

(http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/attachments/vaderskirts.jpg)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: DualSaberMaster on June 19, 2004, 04:25 AM
Any word on a VOTC Emperor Palpatine?  From the reports it seems like the SWS.com exclusive figure will be "The Man" himself,more than likely a holo Saga Emperor.  It would be Awesome and fitting that one of the most important characters from the Saga and often overlooked characters be made over in "Ultimate" form and maybe as some kind of exclusive.  

As of now Hasbro hasn't done a stellar job of recreating the Emperor in plastic form.(Hint,Saga Emperor)  I can imagine him now:  

-Soft goods robe similar to VOTC Obi-Wan's but a bit looser,with long flowing cuffs and walking stick.

-Super Articulation w/articulated knees so you can sit him down on his lazy
 boy.

-Removable arms/hands ala Dagobah Luke with Force Lighting attached to the other set of arms/hands similiar to Unleashed Darth Tyranus.

-And of course an accurate face sculpt/color with that  "Oh so sweet" smirk.  The one he gave Luke right before he gave him the Old Sparky treatment.

Can you tell I really want a VOTC Emperor? After all he did play a masterful game of "Who wants to take over the Galaxy",and I think that deserves a decent figure. :)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: wai on June 19, 2004, 09:09 AM
Any word on a VOTC Emperor Palpatine?No, at this moment :-\
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: BigDumbWookiee on June 19, 2004, 02:44 PM
I'd like to see one exclusive for the VOTC, something that was originally a mail away exclusive to the vintage line. Was the Emperor a mail away? Maybe POTF Anakin?
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on June 19, 2004, 06:09 PM
Palpy was indeed mailaway at first, as that's how I got mine as a kid...  I'd like him to be the figure only because a poseable palps would be great.  

Spirit Ani...  Eh, I don't mind a more statue-like figure of him.  :)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Nicklab on June 19, 2004, 08:52 PM
I saw Han Solo, Leia and Obi-Wan Kenobi in person today.  They look really nice in person and in package.  Too bad they were priced too high for me to consider.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: BigDumbWookiee on June 20, 2004, 12:43 PM
I saw Han Solo, Leia and Obi-Wan Kenobi in person today.  They look really nice in person and in package.  Too bad they were priced too high for me to consider.

Where'd ya see them?
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Nicklab on June 20, 2004, 10:10 PM
A place that deals in imports.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on June 22, 2004, 11:00 AM
Hasbro has put up the long awaited carded shot of the VOTC Vader HERE (http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/pl/page.headlines/id.1059/dn/default.cfm)

(http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/images/news/85235_in.jpg)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on June 22, 2004, 11:02 AM
Also, YODA! (http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/pl/page.headlines/id.1058/dn/default.cfm)

(http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/images/news/85237.jpg)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on June 22, 2004, 11:11 AM
Ooohh.

Aaahhh.

I MUST OWN THESE.

Jeff

ps.
From Yoda's card-back, it appears that C-3PO is NOT the removable limbs version... nice to see the ESB logo SW card though!

(http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/images/news/85237_back.jpg)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: DSJ™ on June 22, 2004, 11:12 AM
That Darth Vader cardback is sweet. It's like I'm looking back in time!  A long time ago...  ;)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on June 22, 2004, 11:13 AM
I agree Jeff, these just continue to be my absolute favorite Star Wars figures.  I really hope that these aren't as impossible to find in the stores as was originally thought.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on June 22, 2004, 02:26 PM
Galactic Hunter has posted some hi-res loose shots of the ESB wave of VOTC figures, within their update on Hasbro's Republic News today.  You can c heck out the article here:

VOTC - Wave 2 (http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/templates/full_article_template_1.asp?articleid=2979&zoneid=2)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Vator on June 22, 2004, 04:01 PM
These look wonderful! And on those hi-res pictures, you can kinda see his inner cape. Good work!
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Dark_Kanos on June 22, 2004, 05:02 PM
 :) Here is a pic of carded vader (http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/images/news/85235_in.jpg) looks to me as if there are two hilts ;)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Diddly on June 22, 2004, 05:07 PM
Lookin' good! :)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Vator on June 22, 2004, 05:07 PM
You're right! Way to go Hasbro!

Let's hope the Episode III stuff is this good!

EDIT: Just scored a VOTC Han Solo for 11.95 plus shipping on Ebay.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on June 22, 2004, 06:18 PM
Wow, that Vader looks nice and tall. Good catch on the 2 hilts. That's excellent news indeed.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on June 22, 2004, 06:25 PM
Galactic Hunter has posted some hi-res loose shots of the ESB wave of VOTC figures, within their update on Hasbro's Republic News today.  You can c heck out the article here:

VOTC - Wave 2 (http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/templates/full_article_template_1.asp?articleid=2979&zoneid=2)

Uh...  they've Photoshopped the original Hasbro shots onto their green background. Granted, they are higher res, but why all the smoke and mirrors to make it feel exclusive to GH?
(http://www.galactichunter.com/absoluteNm/articlefiles/2979-VOTCyoda800x600.jpg) (http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/images/news/85237.jpg)

Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: aka DaBigKahuna on June 22, 2004, 06:58 PM
So has the release information of the OTC line sparked anyone's interest, besides Tydirium, to dive into the vintage line?  If not carded, trying to piece a loose collection of 100 together?  

I am just curious.

The OTC is just what I dont need in my life right now.  The last thing I need to do is take the time to drive around to Targets in Arizona to find these.  

Since I don't have and could never justify spending the moolah on 12 backs, this is oh so tempting.  I must refrain :o!

JediMac, where are you, I want 1st dibbs on your extras!

-EDIT-

I got it...I will just collect these:

"Vintage OTC"
June-September 2004

A New Hope
Luke Skywalker
Han Solo
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Princess Leia

Empire Strikes Back
Darth Vader
Yoda
Lando Calrissian
C-3PO

Return of the Jedi
R2-D2
Boba Fett
Stormtrooper
Chewbacca

...yeah right!

-EDIT-


-DaBigKahuna-
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: jokabofe on June 22, 2004, 07:04 PM
(http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/images/news/85235_in.jpg)

what's up with that big warning sticker covering the logo?? why in the name of all that is sacred would they do such a stupid thing???   ???
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on June 22, 2004, 07:07 PM
why in the name of all that is sacred would they do such a stupid thing???   ???

This is rhetorical, right?  ;)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Nicklab on June 22, 2004, 07:29 PM
You do realize that the warning sticker is on the clamshell, not on the card....right?
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Force Guy on June 22, 2004, 07:39 PM
Ugh.  I don't care much for Vader's big 'ol Run DMC-styled silver chain necklace.  It would've been much better if Hasbro used tiny, real metal links that attached to Vader's cape, but instead, they painted a very thick silver chain around Vader's neck.  It looks bad.  Other than ANH Han, the VOTC offerings (so far) are pretty lame.    
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: jokabofe on June 22, 2004, 09:58 PM
You do realize that the warning sticker is on the clamshell, not on the card....right?

yes, i do realize that, but from those pictures it looks like when the carded figure is displayed inside the clamshell - and i'm guessing that most carded collectors are going to leave these figures in the clamshell - that warning sticker is placed right on top of the logo.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on June 23, 2004, 10:44 AM
I think the carded pics makes Vader's head look a ton better.

Yoda on Card is one of the most beautiful things I have seen in a long time...a long time

These aren't the greatest thing since sliced bread but they are better than rehashorama and so I'm looking forward to getting carded and loose sets of all of these puppies

I'm NOT looking forward to the ROTJ case assortments though >:(
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on June 24, 2004, 11:37 AM
Galactic Hunter has a few loose shots of the VOTC Luke Skywalker up HERE (http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/templates/full_article_template_1.asp?articleid=2986&zoneid=2)

Although I really, really like this VOTC line, and I will buy each and every one (if I can find them), I'm not sure I'm totally sold on the soft goods tunic on Luke.  I usually like the use of soft goods here and there, but this just looks a little different to me.  Oh well, its a change, not like there isn't any other Tatooine Lukes out there :P
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on June 24, 2004, 03:23 PM
Although I really, really like this VOTC line, and I will buy each and every one (if I can find them), I'm not sure I'm totally sold on the soft goods tunic on Luke.  

I feel the same way - it reminds me of the jackets from the old Princess Leia collection. It just goes to show soft goods aren't the end-all-be-all of solutions, considering it looks like they've focused a considerable amount of attention on nailing the look of the tunic here, with nice stitching and good material, and it still just doesn't work.

It's not really a big deal to me with all the other perfectly good Tat Lukes out there, like you said. I'm sure Hasbro hasn't forgotten the wrath of collectors from the glut of them a few years ago, and tried soft goods as something new, since they couldn't well not include him in the VOTC in that costume.

Quote
Yoda on Card is one of the most beautiful things I have seen in a long time...a long time

I think this is the best example so far of  the VOTC's intent. Seeing that figure on the card looks so close to the vintage version in scale, you'd almost not notice the figure was new. It seems to pull off the nostalgia bit a lot better than the others for some reason.

And go figure, after not liking SG on Luke at all, it looks perfect on Yoda.

Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on June 24, 2004, 03:40 PM
Quote
And go figure, after not liking SG on Luke at all, it looks perfect on Yoda.

Yeah, I thought the same thing looking at those pictures.  The soft goods is really well done on that figure, and that Yoda looks like it could be the best one we've gotten.  I don't know if it is the nostalgic/vintage part of me that makes me think that or not, but it really looks nice.  And you are right too, looking at the pics, you almost have to do a double take to see whether or not it is the vintage or modern figure in the package.  Very well done, and this whole VOTC concept (although the price stinks) is probably my favorite of the modern line.  "Ultimate" versions of the main characters, well articulated, most have good use of soft goods, able to be "neutrally" posed, and a vintage cardback to boot.  Good stuff, but it could be cheaper ;)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Vator on June 25, 2004, 05:25 PM
My VOTC Han Solo has arrived. I'll probably post a review and I will take lots of pictures.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on June 25, 2004, 07:32 PM
That would be awesome... any chance you have the Falcon handy to see how he fits in there?
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Vator on June 25, 2004, 08:06 PM
Well the review is up in the review section, and no I don't have the falcon yet, but judging how this figure it, it could probably fit into anything.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: wai on June 26, 2004, 12:48 PM
Hi Vator,
Isn't that the bubble is attach to the card?
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Vator on June 26, 2004, 02:37 PM
Yes, yes it is.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Durge on June 27, 2004, 12:31 AM
Nice review! I want this figure the most of all the VOTC!
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on June 27, 2004, 02:12 AM
Nice price ont hat Vator, good for you man...  

I'm personally awaiting these as per usual...  Find it at the store, unless my buddy Paul gets a case and has extras, haha.

I gotta ask you some ?'s in your review about overall body construction and height (looks short with that stormie :( ).

Nice images...
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Vator on June 27, 2004, 02:36 AM
Ok, no prob.

Overall this series looks to be very promising
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: wai on June 27, 2004, 11:17 AM
Here is a few more information ;)

Name                      Points of Articulation
Han Solo                 14
Luke Skywalker       14
Obi-Wan Kenobi      10
Princess Leia           11

Darth Vader            12
Yoda                       10
Lando Calrissian     14
C-3PO                     14*

Chewbacca             ??
R2-D2                     ??
Boba Fett               ??
Stormtrooper          ??

* not confirm yet


Anyone know more?
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Durge on June 27, 2004, 01:53 PM

Obi-Wan Kenobi      10



They made Obi-Wan Kenobi look like an ass and he only has 10 points of articulation? bull****... >:(
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on June 27, 2004, 04:54 PM
Wow wai, 14 points of articulation on 3PO? I hope that's right, but it sure doesn't look like it from the pics that are circulating so far. If it's true, they've done an incredible job hiding the articulation points. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Still no images of the ROTJ wave anywhere?
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: wai on June 28, 2004, 05:06 AM
Wow wai, 14 points of articulation on 3PO? I hope that's right, but it sure doesn't look like it from the pics that are circulating so far. If it's true, they've done an incredible job hiding the articulation points. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Still no images of the ROTJ wave anywhere?


At least, VOTC has more than before any versions :D

Yeah,still waiting for any ROTJ images :P
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on June 29, 2004, 07:56 PM
VOTC Lando is up at Hasbro's site. This is a weird one for me because the only carded vintage figure I own at the moment is Lando.

(http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/images/news/85238_front.jpg)

I think he looks a lot better on the card than open, based on the pictures. I just don't like the SG cloak. Seems the bubble, holding it down, makes it look more natural.

Quote
And don’t forget to check back next week – we’ll shine some light on the vintage C-3P0.

So they're promising a preview of C3PO next week. Yes, Hasbro, please "shed some light" on the damn articulation, please.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Paul on June 29, 2004, 09:42 PM
The arm on Lando worries me, if it is not able to be moved out of that position, then it is just a POTJ version with a different sculpt.........
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on June 29, 2004, 11:31 PM
Yeah, it's a bit strange that they've gone for the Jedi Luke style articulation at the elbows instead of the ballsocket that VOTC Han has, unless it's really well hidden. At least either way it's not preposed in a two-arm gun cradle grip like the POTJ one. How come they got the soft goods down so perfectly on that one and missed the boat here?

So, if 3PO is next week, what are the odds we'll see ROTJ in the following week? I can't believe how low-visibility that entire wave has been. Also, does anyone have links to the scans from the magazine that previewed the Stormtrooper?
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on June 29, 2004, 11:38 PM
(http://sirstevesguide.com/news/uploads/30138_normal.jpg)

Not sure if they had any inside the mag that was different than this one
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on June 30, 2004, 12:39 AM
The angle cuts on some of the VOTC figures are disappointing.

So much for "Ultimate" versions...  Close, but not quite.

Han's great though, and Yoda's about as good as Yoda can get I think...  

Lando's REALLY good except those elbow joints...  Ball/sockets are hidden better and allow a greater range of motion so that's a slight disappointment on him.  The cape I can stomach because of having extras of the POTJ to swap with.  

Leia I'm ok with except she appears to have the least articulation of all the figures I think, save perhaps Yoda.

Obi's legs are my biggest gripe...  Soft-goods skirt and his knees don't bend?  WTF is the deal there?  His odd looking arms would be a close second, but I can stand them.  The robe's puffy but I plan on seam-ripping a Pilot Obi robe and using it as a pattern to make my own Jedi robes from the material they used on Total Control Mace.

If you guys didn't get Mace, but have the opportunity to check one out, I highly recommend just checking out how great the softgoods are on it.  Simply perfect!

Luke...  I'm torn.  Part of me thinks the idea/concept is interesting, and with how many POTF2 ones of him there are, and the fact you can make an almost "perfect" Luke with thse bits and pieces...  I dunno, I kind of like this one then.  The head's a little off, the robe's puffy, but a removable belt is COOL, and the fact he may have the best "shirtless" custom fodder torso ever is intriguing...  I'm anxious to see how he looks without the cloak because he could be useless if his sculpt underneath is bad.

R2-D2, unless he's swiss-army R2, isn't going to be great...  Unless this figure can open at damn near every panel with every known gadget he had, and has articulated ankles, retractable 3rd leg, etc., etc., etc...  I just don't see this being a great one.  

3PO...  Same as above, but articulatin replaces the other stuff, and for some reason I'm thinking he's just going to pop apart to make an accurate "pull-apart" 3-PO...  Call me crazy I guess.  Or perhaps cynical is more the term.

Boba Fett...  Short of possibly the Stormtrooper, THIS is the figure that's going to be in demand I think.  Vader a maybe close 3rd, but Fett's going to dominate demand IMO.  They'd better not cut corners on this guy.  I want a side-arm, ROTJ paintjob, softgoods cape and wookiescalps, working holster, accurate blaster (if it pulled apart at the barrel, I'd simply worship this figure), and full use of ball/socket joints.  Hasbro could even go the extra mile and give the double-jointed torso to Fett and it'd look totally cool.  Here's to hoping.

Stormie...  Army builder = selling well, at any price.  I just hope he's not off-kilter as far as height goes next to the CT Stormie.  I'm updating all my CT Stormies with a hand/blaster kit and I'll happily line them up with these new guys.  The new guys will be the dominant ones in any diorama though, and I'd happily buy 100+ more of them if they look  good with the CT figure.

Vader...  The hottest with collectors behind Fett I think, because I know people who won't bother with VOTC who will still buy this and the last 2 figures just because.  Vader's chain's awkward, and he seemingly had some articulation skimming too if I recall.  Not total ball/socket joints!?   >:(  Vader with the double-jointed torso would've rocked too...  What's the big deal?  I'd have liked it.

Hell, Durge got the Double-jointed torso, yet some of these guys aren't?  Blah!  And Durge ranks, as weird as it sounds, as the #2 greatest Star Wars figure behind the CW Clone to me.  Durge is so heavily articulated it boggles the mind.  Makes me wish I was a kid again because I'd have Durge whipping the bejesus out of G.I. Joes as Cobra's newest "secret weapon" or merc.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on June 30, 2004, 03:07 AM
Fett's hopefully going to be the defining moment for super articulated figures. Just about every articulation advancement of the last year or so applies perfectly to him. There's no reason he shouldn't have everything Durge has. I'm expecting ball socket head, shoulders, elbows, wrists, torso, knees, and ankles. It's all been done before and Fett can hide those points better than any figure. It's all about the torso pivot. If they cover all the details you listed, I'll be happy. And I'm assuming we'll get a ROTJ deco, ESB wouldn't make any sense in the wave.

They get him right and I'll pretty much forgive any minor slips elsewhere in VOTC.

The Stormie looks fine. I'm just concerned that it will have the same leg problem that the SA Clone has, and it'll be hard to pose with much movement at the hips.

Now, here's where I'm a little worried... Chewbacca. If you add up all the articulation on the last few Saga Chewies, there's a pretty good basic figure there. They've proven they can do the fur look right finally, hit good articulation even at the knees, and pull off a good sense of his proportions with the funky torso look and all. I guess he'll have the shorter haircut, but hey. What worries me is what dumb thing they'll try to pull to make him "special". I have nightmares of this:

(http://www.cantinacollectibles.com/images/flockedchewietan-body.jpg)

Good god, now's not the time for experimentation.

I'm hoping they'll include a few ROTJ-specific accessories, namely the chain to go with Boushh - he'd be great to replace the original Captive version, but if they hold to a generic figure, we'll just see a bowcaster, which is fine I guess. Also what would be groovy is a removable bandolier and pouch. That would be the dog's bollocks.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on June 30, 2004, 03:36 AM
Ah yes, I forgot Whewbacca the Cookie...

I'm seriously doubting the flocked idea comes to life.  I just can't see them trying something in 3.75" scale they gave up on in 12" scale, but Hasbro's not one to do the obvious (or logical) and thus they may totally F Chewie up since his character's often doomed to awkwardness.

Mech and BE were the only "good" versions of him IMO, but even then I'd say only Bespin Escape really embodied a good "generic" Chewie.

I think we'll get a removable bandoleir and oodles of articulation on a "Nude"-Bacca figure (sans bandoleir that is).

I'm assuming that...  No telling what may actually come.

I'm ok with the ROTJ hairstyle, if they go that route, only because I like Bespin Escape Bacca so much.  So ROTJ style's cool by me.  Hell, maybe they'll shock us with a removable collar from ROTJ?  Eh, nah...  But Boush's Bounty Chewie could use a redo given how long ago he came out!
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: wai on June 30, 2004, 05:39 AM
Update information :)

Name                      Points of Articulation
Han Solo                 14
Luke Skywalker       14
Obi-Wan Kenobi      10
Princess Leia           11

Darth Vader            12
Yoda                       10
Lando Calrissian     14
C-3PO                     14*

Chewbacca             ??
R2-D2                     ??
Boba Fett               ??
Stormtrooper          ??

* not confirm yet


Lando has 14 points.More than I thought,WOW :D
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on June 30, 2004, 09:45 AM
I'm sort of starting to agree with Jesse...looking back at the first 2-3 pages of this thread we were all super pumped about all of these.  Maybe its because the release is taking so long that we're finally to the point where were bored with them and are finding faults in what should be the Ultimates.

The elbow thing on Lando is baffling
C-3PO is a huge mystery (and he looks dirty)
Obi-Wan's Robe Sucks
Luke's Tunic sort of does too
Leia's mix of soft goods and plastic is a little baffling
The lack of ROTJ pics >:(
Vader's Noggin
Yoda's Color

Really the only Home Run of the bunch is Han and I am perfectly fine with the CTC Cantina Version of him.  I still think the idea is cool and the packaging is drool worthy
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on June 30, 2004, 09:50 AM
Here they come...

http://www.galactichunter.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=OTC&Number=73272&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

Woo-Hoo!

Jeff
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on June 30, 2004, 09:59 AM
That's good news...why the Luke case didn't come out first is a little baffling though :-\
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on June 30, 2004, 10:50 AM
Strange isn't it...  I would guess that there was some sort of glitch during manufacturing that slowed them down a bit maybe?

I can't wait for these figures.  Yeah, they may not be the "ultimate" version that we were all giddy for back in February, but they are still pretty cool.  Above average sculpts on kick-ass cards.  I love it.

Other random thoughts...

* 3PO - Hope he has good articulation or else he'll be pretty silly with the rest

* Lando - elbows, smelbows.  Chances are I'd pose him holding the gun anyway.  The cape is a little confusing though... he PotJ cape was great!

* Chewie - If I can get a super-articulated Chewie with the RotJ haircut, that'd be fine.  We've already got GREAT Chewies for Ep4 and Ep5.

* Fett - still waiting for info on him

* R2 - the mind rolls with anticipation on what gadgets he'll have (if any)

* Stormtrooper - I must keep telling myself "I don't need to army build, I don't need to army build, I don't need to... well, I should get two, one to stand on either side of Vader.  And maybe another two to stand guard while Obi-Wan deactivates the tractor beam... and another two to pose with Han as he escapes the Death Star... and DANGIT!  I don't need to army build, I don't need to army build..."

:)

Jeff
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on June 30, 2004, 02:01 PM
I'm ok with Lando's arms...  Better than nothing, and the rest of him's nothing short of incredible.  THe cape I can stomach, as I mentioned, only because I have at least 2 extra of it around here I think...  I know one anyway.

Han's so amazingly superior to CT Han, I really am just surprised at how "off" that figure now looks.  

Short of that, the Leia and Obi and Luke are the only "downers" to me, and even Leia I don't mind since I'm just happy to see her look half-assed for once in the white outfit.  The upper body not having softgoods though, is disappointing because they could've done that so well to match the bottom and have a realistic hood too.  Ah well.  Opportunity lost.

Anyone else see Vator's mention that the gun isn't flimsy with Han?

Guess their "personal safety standards" flew out the window on this wave huh?   ::)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: DSJ™ on July 1, 2004, 01:17 PM
Yoda is on a Canadian card!  :o

Yoda on Canadian Card (http://www.galactichunter.com/photo.asp?image=absolutenm/articlefiles/3014-votcyoda01.jpg)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on July 1, 2004, 01:57 PM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/6-04/VOTCyodacard.jpg)

Hmmm are they all bilingual?
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: wai on July 2, 2004, 05:31 AM
Here they come...

http://www.galactichunter.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=OTC&Number=73272&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

Woo-Hoo!

Jeff




Oh,everywhere has the same problem :P So let every collector most wanted Luke and makes Luke "hard to find" :-\ I think this suituation will continue in the next wave >:(
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Vator on July 2, 2004, 06:54 AM

Anyone else see Vator's mention that the gun isn't flimsy with Han?


Actually, I'd put that as tough, since hard sounds just wrong, you'll find it kind rough in placing it in the holster. I mean this is a hard little peice of plastic.

So in short, very nice.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Morgbug on July 2, 2004, 11:09 AM
Yoda is on a Canadian card!  :o

Yoda on Canadian Card (http://www.galactichunter.com/photo.asp?image=absolutenm/articlefiles/3014-votcyoda01.jpg)

Why is the bubble in that pic so messed up?  Are they going for the vintage ebay auction look? :-\
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on July 2, 2004, 05:23 PM
The funny thing about that gun is that the Han pistols never bother me if they're pliable.

Pliable's ok in many smaller weapons...  Didn't work so great in the case of the last Cantina alien with his goofy gunslinging pistols that were pathetic (and yet Hasbro somehow expected them to hold up blast effects...  Apparantly nobody had physics 101 that works up in Pawtucket.  :) ), but in general the smaller guns it works ok on.

It's the crap like the Rebel rifle, Amanaman's staff, or something so large and weighty that it just isn't going to work out...  

Han's guns never bugged me if they were pliable.  When a Rebel Rifle's bent at a 90 degree angle in the packaging though...  Blah.

Funny thing there, the Hoth Soldier's rifle, or the 2 I got ahold of, were not near as pliable as the Endor Troops version.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Vator on July 2, 2004, 05:29 PM
Well the cold obviously make them britle.


That reminds me, Landos Vibro Axe is very annoying to have in a dio, it seems to bend very easily. I remember I set up a Endo Trooper charging a Stormtrooper with one like a bayonet. It didn't look to cool.

So, I had to freeze it for a little while and then it worked great.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Morgbug on July 6, 2004, 01:30 PM
Bigbadtoystore.com has two new preorders for these figures up:

Trilogy Vintage Set of First 8 Figures (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/toystan.asp?Queryid=pr024)
Luke
Han
Obi-Wan
Leia
Darth
Yoda
Lando
C3P0
$84.99

Trilogy Vintage Wave .0005 Set of 6 (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/toystan.asp?Queryid=pr025)
Boba Fett
Stormtrooper
R2-D2
Chewbacca
Lando
Darth Vader
$66.99

Not bad, $10.85 a piece.  Not really wanting a spare Lando, but the second Vader would be great.  I have the first four ordered through them, but may cancel that, if they allow me and add in these.  

(Box and master case for Kubricks series 3 are also up for preorder).  
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on July 6, 2004, 09:20 PM
Well, these have shown up at retail. The ones I found all had squished clamshells. You'd think for premium packaging and price Hasbro could have packed them more carefully. The cards inside survived fine, but I'm thinking my carded ones have to stay inside the clamshell because of the OTC silver banner thats incorporated into the front of the shell. How very frustrating.

I cracked open all three (Leia, Ben, Han) and... I'm not all that impressed.  :-\ They're still the closest thing to the "ultimate" representations, but they miss by a nose. Here's my typically negative slanted thoughts:

Han doesn't seem to have waist articulation and his vest is not a seperate piece like previous versions. Still, he's got great articulation otherwise and the headsculpt is the closest ever.

Leia's soft goods seem to be rather pointless. A soft goods hood would have been more appropriate. She has ballsocket style knee articulation. Why? Who knows. She can sit, I guess, if there was a place or scene that she needs to be sitting. For us concerned with Lando's arm articulation, Leia is a preview - it limits poses to holding a blaster or cupping her hands, ala the card image. A neutral stance just ain't happenin'. But like Han, the headsulpt is sweetness.

Now here's where I'm shocked - I really like Ben! With a bit of work you can actually manipulate the SG cloak to look very realistic, which seems to have to do with its bulk and the fact that it's a very heavy material. He still looks silly without it though. The headsculpt is nice and its is an older style ball joint, with the ball at the bottom of the neck, inside the torso, so he has a bit of up-down movement as well as left-to-right.

EDIT: Oops, gotta retract my comment about the waist thing on Han. It moves, I'm just a wuss at forcing it to move.  ::)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on July 7, 2004, 11:34 AM
Don't know if everyone saw this or not yet so...

vOTC Wave 3 up for Pre-Order at EE (http://www.jedidefender.com/phpadsnew/adclick.php?bannerid=51&zoneid=0&source=&dest=http://www.entertainmentearth.com/aff-home)

Search for Fett wave 3 to find it...

2x Fett
2x Stormie
1x Chewie
1x R2-D2
1x Lando
1x Vader

 :o

A case pack that doesn't automatically suck?  2x Stormie, the army-builder!  Yes!  I just got done placing my pre-order!

Jeff
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on July 7, 2004, 11:39 AM
Here it is

VOTC Wave 3 (http://www.entertainmentearth.com/aff-home.asp?id=JE-405087801&number=HS85213C)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: jadesfire on July 7, 2004, 11:40 AM
Thanks for the heads-up Jeff, just placed my order  :D.
 
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Nicklab on July 7, 2004, 11:41 AM
Just got word that Amazon is shipping my first wave of VOTC, sans Luke.  I'm eager to pop these out of the bubbles!
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on July 7, 2004, 11:42 AM
I don't usually like to order much online if I don't have to (and I've never ordered a case before), but if any case would be tempting, I think it would be this one.  I just have a bad feeling that the ROTJ figures from the VOTC will be by far the toughest to find (especially Boba Fett and the Stormtrooper).  Now if we could only see what they are going to look like (well, Fett, Chewie and R2). :)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on July 7, 2004, 11:44 AM
Still a little Baffling their propensity not to pack these 2x in each case.  I guess they want them to be spaced out and always have them on the pegs.  Perhaps alternate cases would have been the way to go here like the mixed up OTC ones are (and for the most part they do have alternate cases, just not collector friendly ones >:()

And thanks for the scoop Jeff, I'm all preordered and will hopefully pick up Chewie and R2 at retail
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on July 7, 2004, 11:58 AM
Damn it

Wave 2

2x Yoda
2x Vader
2x Luke
2x Han

Wave 2.5

1x Lando
1x C-3PO
1x Yoda
1x Vader
1x Luke
1x Leia
1x Han
1x Obi-Wan

I'm now thinking of canceling Wave 1 and ordering 2 of 2.5

I know I'm cancelling my Wave 2 case >:(
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on July 7, 2004, 12:04 PM
Dangit!

Stop switching case-packs around you monkeys!

I'm starting to think I whould cancel my pre-orders for wave 1 and do the same ...

Jeff

Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on July 7, 2004, 12:09 PM
The only downside is they already charged me shipping on Wave 1 and you have to wait until August :-\
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: wai on July 7, 2004, 12:16 PM
Damn it

Wave 2

2x Yoda
2x Vader
2x Luke
2x Han

Wave 2.5

1x Lando
1x C-3PO
1x Yoda
1x Vader
1x Luke
1x Leia
1x Han
1x Obi-Wan

I'm now thinking of canceling Wave 1 and ordering 2 of 2.5

I know I'm cancelling my Wave 2 case >:(


No Lando or C-3PO in Wave 2 ???That sucks >:( Wave 2.5 is much much better ;D

Here is from SWS.com case break down:

Wave 2 (http://shop.starwars.com/Product/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductID=317)

Wave 2.5 (http://shop.starwars.com/Product/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductID=318)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on July 7, 2004, 12:18 PM
Yeah the EE Case Packs were updated today with info from Hasbro...they used to be the same as SWS.com
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: jadesfire on July 7, 2004, 01:18 PM
What a headache!!  I have wave 1 and 3 ordered from EE and wave 2.5 ordered from SWS.  
I also have wave 2 on order from EE but I am going to cancel it as I don't need 6 Luke's and 5 Han's!!

PS:
I did a quick run today and no VOTC at my local Kmart.  
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on July 7, 2004, 01:43 PM
Well,

I just cancelled my wave 1 / wave 2 / wave 2.5 pre-order and ordered 2x wave 2.5 cases instead...

I might have to wait a bit longer, but I'd rather not have all the unwanted extras.  Plus, it'll be cheaper since I have less cases to order and will save on shipping too.

Now, I just need will-power to pass on wave 1 when I find them at Retail...

 :)

Jeff
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: JediMAC on July 7, 2004, 02:09 PM
The only downside is they already charged me shipping on Wave 1...

Huh?!   ???

Are you talking about EE?  They just charged you the shipping cost, and that's it?  Or do you mean the whole thing?  Either way, if it's a pre-order that hasn't come in yet, they shouldn't be charging you anything.  That's totally bizarre...

I hopped on the Wave 3 pre-order bandwagon this morning too, especially after seeing the 2 Fetts and 2 Stormtroopers in there, like Brian already mentioned.  Can't risk missing out on those hot commodities!
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on July 7, 2004, 02:10 PM
Yeah well I ordered the Wave 7 OTC Case in the same order.  They charge you the whole shipping cost when one part goes through.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: DualSaberMaster on July 7, 2004, 05:15 PM
Well,

I just cancelled my wave 1 / wave 2 / wave 2.5 pre-order and ordered 2x wave 2.5 cases instead...

I might have to wait a bit longer, but I'd rather not have all the unwanted extras.  Plus, it'll be cheaper since I have less cases to order and will save on shipping too.

Now, I just need will-power to pass on wave 1 when I find them at Retail...

 :)

Jeff


Likewise,I just cancelled my Wave 2 order with EE,darn Hasbro and their case assortment changes. ::)  Placed my order for 2 cases of Wave 2.5 as I want 1 of each carded and loose. I've been checking daily when wave 3 would be on pre-order and like most everyone else I placed my order with EE,as I am certain these figs will be the most difficult to find at retail.  Thanks JD for another "first to bring you news" scoop!   ;D
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on July 7, 2004, 09:16 PM
Thanks for the headsup on the EE preorders! Wave 3, preordered at last.

Oh boy, nothing really suits my needs now with those new case breakdowns. All I need from Wave 1 is now is a good carded Ben and 2 Lukes. Any way I work it, it's an exercise in determining which cases create the least amount of extras now. I'm going to shelf the whole thing until tomorrow.

I'm interested to see how retail will change all this worrying though. I mean, Kmart, of all places, got them first, and apparently here in SoCal across all the stores. That sure sounds to me like the major retailers will be onboard for these. Hopefully they won't reach a saturation point until after Wave 2 hits - if all I had to do was sweat getting Wave 3, case orders would be a lot easier.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Ben on July 7, 2004, 09:46 PM
I think I'll just chance wave 1 at retail. I canceled my preorder at BBTS.

Waves 2 & 3 might be a pain in my ass. Especially 3.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on July 9, 2004, 02:26 PM
Well, I got my first taste of the OTC (well, VOTC) today.  I cheated a little and ordered a VOTC Han from Amazon.com, and it arrived this afternoon.  This was the figure I was looking forward to the most this year, and it really looks great.  I am usually a 100% opener, but I haven't found the strength to rip it off this nice looking vinty card yet.  This is really a case where I'd like to get two of each of these, they sure look purty on these cards :).  Aaahhhh...nostalgia.  I haven't checked the stores around town yet, hopefully these (or the OTC) are showing up as well.  I've seen one, now I want more :P
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on July 9, 2004, 03:13 PM
Awesome, B!

Is vOTC Han as cool as we thought he'd be?  I can't wait for the pics of Chewie to see how well Han and Chewie go together.

Nor can I wait until I get my hands on one of those vOTC  figures... might have to hit a few extra K-Marts on my toy run today/tomorrow!

Speaking of which, how are people's clam-shells looking?  Initial reports seemed to be saying that the clam-shell was pretty thin and thus was being scrunched straight from the cases...

Jeff
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on July 9, 2004, 03:22 PM
Yeah Jeff, he's all kinds of cool...to me at least.  I haven't quite got up the nerve to rip him off that card yet, although I do want to.  Just looks so nice the way it is.  The clamshell on the one I received was actually in pretty good shape from what I could tell, also, it comes off pretty easily if you want to get a closer look at the figure/card itself.  Maybe it is just me, but it seemed like the cardback itself was a bit thin-ish...maybe someone else who has found these can back that up, or it is just the one I received.  I have a feeling this cardback that I have would get beat to heck if it wasn't inside a clamshell, especially if it was on a peg, in the store.

I probably should have just had patience and waited to find them at retail (still hoping these aren't as tough to find as we initially thought), but since I was placing an order at Amazon anyways, I figured the shipping would be split up so I just threw one in there.  I'm happy I did though.  I'm anxious to see what Chewie is going to look like too, I'd really like to get these to displayed with a nice new OTC Falcon.  Nice centerpiece for the mantle or top of entertainment center right?  Somehow I'm guessing my wife won't agree :D

On that note...didn't Hasbro say we'd get a look at 3PO this week?  They're running out of time :).
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Vator on July 9, 2004, 03:58 PM
My clamshell was in mint condition, but I got it from the net, so maybe just the retail ones?
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: proudfather2 on July 11, 2004, 03:57 PM
I found the first four of these figures today, I'm assuming Leia is the htf one as she was merely one while the others were three each. Anyway, Han looks quite magnificent, the rest however just look, let's just say, not appealing to me. If it weren't for the cloth I'd gladly buy this set. They're much, much thinner than I expected for being in a protective case.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on July 12, 2004, 07:31 AM
Well  I finally got these the other day...  (No Luke yet)

Initial impressions are actually mixed...  not so much on Han, but rather Leia and Obi-Wan.  Well, actually none of the 3 are truly "perfect"...  neither was the SA Clone, but dare I say that he and Deluxe Durge were slightly more so than these figures?  Hmmm

-Han...  The closest to perfection by far and away I'd say....  My only gripes are the holster and the vest really.

Sculpt's incredible really, the articulation's hidden perfectly, and he's truly super poseable, but...  The holster's thigh-loop is awkward because it doesn''t hold the gun.  I almost would have rather seen a sculpted pistol belt, but yet part of me is ecstatic with the separate holster too.  This is a real catch 22 for me.

The other thing is the vest is molded on.  I like the removable vests myself, and think it would've improved this figure had it been, considering they did the holster belt.

Not disappointed, just found a couple things I consider flaws...

-Leia...  Disappointed in the articulation.  The angle-cut joints at the elbows suck anymore, and it's an articulation style that's going the way of the do-do.  Ball/socket's hide better and provide more range.  That said though, HER cut joints are as good as it gets for that style so I'm not really upset with them.

Her knee joint I am disappointed in, to see she didn't get a ball/socket knee set like Han.  Much better than the hinges.  Her feet are sculpted in a way that a running pose is difficult for her.  I've managed though, so again I'm not too disappointed, just a little.

No mini blaster?  Sorta sad there...  I'd loved to have had an accurate version of that gun for her to blast stormies with too...  Stormie rifle's nice though, and she can hold it with 2 hands, but looks cool without it as well.

The lack of soft-goods hood.  I'd have liked a hood to drape on her for both ANH modes...  Oh well.

I'm still digging Leia...  Best Leia yet I think, though the headsculpt's nowhere near the quality of Han's or Ben's.  Still good though.

-Ben...  Biggest letdown of the lot.  his cloak is bulky and awkward, and this is coming from a Softgoods fan.  We knew it would be, but nonetheless it's disappointing.

I'm also very disappointed, and this is probably the only thing I was very disappointed with other than a $10 pricetag, to see they skrimped 100% on his leg articulation.  He has absolutely no knee or ankle joints, and Obi-Wan should considering his climactic duel.  Very disaappointing to see he is just a basic figure, especially since they went to the effort of a soft goods skirt.

The other thing is that Obi-Wan does NOT have ball/socket elbows, and the lack of them is what makes his arms look atrocious without the cloak on.  Really they don't look bad if you have them in the one pose they look decent in, but if you don't, well, lookout.

Ball/socket elbows, again, would've improved the physical looks of this figure, and allowed for a much greater range of motion than what he has.  His arms are at such an acute angle that he really can be tough to get in "normal" poses.  :(  I'm hoping a new cloak sewn up for him in a looser material will look cool though, and that I'll just be able to work around the other things.

So overall, only Obi's a letdown.  Not bad...

But for $10, I wanted closer to perfection on at least Obi.  Leia's not bad at all really.

The packaging is clearly where the $'s at in these figues...  They're really just nice basic action figures though otherwise.  Really nice basic action figures.  :)

The packaging is cool enough that I carefully slit open the bubbles to take the figures out.  I'll keep it as a backdrop to each one I think...  It's unique...  As a non-carded collector though, I'd certainly have been happy with cheaper stuff.  Even if there were no clamshell or whatnot, just something cheaper...  $10's a lot for any action figure these days, unless they're larger than the 6" scale and pretty nicely done.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on July 12, 2004, 01:48 PM
I was just thinking about this....do you think that once these figures hit retail (well, they are at K-Mart, possibly TRU I guess), that they will have their own "peg space".  They should, since they are a different pricepoint, and the star cases take up a bit more space.  That said, are any of you seeing anywhere for these to go at your local stores?  The Wal-Marts, Targets, and TRU nearest us don't really have anywhere for these to go...and only have a few pegs period for Star Wars.  Just wondering if it was a sign of how soon these would be at mass-retail, or if they are just around the corner.  I'm placing an Amazon order sometime this week, and was tempted to tack on the Leia or Obi, but maybe I should be much more patient about things (and I probably will wait it out).  Just wondering when they will start hitting retail heavier, we don't have any K-Marts in the area :).

Also, on a side note, whatever happened to the C-3PO update Hasbro?  I hope we get a look at the rest of the line (ROTJ) at Comic-Con next week.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on July 12, 2004, 04:09 PM
I was wondering about that 3P0 update too. Maybe the sorta-holiday Monday threw them off. I have a stinking feeling though that he's just not up to snuff with the rest of the figs in the line and they're dancing around it.

When I grabbed the VOTCs at Kmart here, they were on their own peg below the regular figures. It looked like they had to do some adjusting of the other SW pegs to get them to fit. But this is Kmart, and I don't think they exactly follow strict planograms, or whatever they use. I'm fully expecting that the first time these are found at Target, they'll be sitting on the shelve stacked up after the stocker realized they didn't fit in the normal Star Wars peg area.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Paul on July 12, 2004, 08:01 PM
Did anybody else notice that Leia doesn't have pegholes for her feet?

I can pretty much agree with Jesse on his assessments.  I too was really hoping she'd have her blaster.

Han Solo is the Ultimate Star Wars figure in the Modern line for me now.  I am just hoping enough can be found for a custom Bespin or Endor version.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: wai on July 13, 2004, 11:45 AM
I found the first four of these figures today, I'm assuming Leia is the htf one as she was merely one while the others were three each. Anyway, Han looks quite magnificent, the rest however just look, let's just say, not appealing to me. If it weren't for the cloth I'd gladly buy this set. They're much, much thinner than I expected for being in a protective case.

You got all 4?You got Luke?
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on July 14, 2004, 01:32 PM
Found my first batch of vOTC today at lunch and gobbled them up!

Han - Simply Amazing.  These cards are sooooooo sweet once holding them in my hands.  I thin kI am starting to fall into the "crazy" catergory, thinking I now need 3 sets  :P

Ben - his hands!  No one has mentioned how his HANDS are sculpted to look "old"!  His hands look like my grandpa's hands!  Such attention to detail is CRAZY.  I love him, but he looks a bit silly without the cloak on.

Leia - Best Leia yet IMHO.  Great sculpt, 1000 times better than 95 "Monkey-Face" Leia.  Very cool figure!

No sign of Luke yet though...

So happy to be holding these in my hands that I could  :'(

Jeff
:)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on July 14, 2004, 01:42 PM
Congrats on the VOTC finds Jeff!  I broke down and ordered Obi and Leia via Amazon.com as well now, since we were placing an order there anyways for some other things.  Did the same thing with Han last week, and received him on Friday.  He looks amazing, and its all I can do to not rip him off the card to check it out closer.  These figures are amazing, and I really wish they would look to expand/continue this line in the future...even if it was just limited to 10-12 a year, collector focused like these are.  I really want to pick up 2 sets, so I can keep one carded, but the wifey isn't going for it so far.  I guess I can understand at $10 a pop.  Anyways, congratulations again on the finds, have you opened any of them up yet?  I'm hoping Luke shows up sometime soon as well (and the rest of the waves!)  Can't wait to see some pics from Comic-Con.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on July 14, 2004, 01:45 PM
I picked them up over lunch, so I only had a chance to open Obi-Wan before my boss stopped by and it was back to work :(

I'll open them tonight and let you know if I dicover anything cool once they are loose!

Jeff
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on July 15, 2004, 09:26 AM
I'm not sure if this is a sign or not, and don't really know much about this company, but apparently Alliance Collectibles (http://www.alliancecollectibles.com/store_front.html) has VOTC Luke, Vader, Yoda, and Lando "in stock" and ready to ship by next week sometime.  They also have the next Unleashed wave (Bossk, Tusken, Aayla).  Hopefully all of these will start showing up elsewhere soon too, can't wait for that ESB wave of figures from the VOTC.
Title: Son of a bitch.
Post by: Ben on July 15, 2004, 03:59 PM
I got my Han, Leia, and Obi-Wan from Amazon today.

The clamshells on all three are bent in many areas, and Leia's card is bent in the lower right corner. While these will do fine for an opener set, that isn't the point.
I paid for the f---ing shipping, they should be packed well so as not to be crushed on arrival.

I'd hate to be someone buying two sets from these hosers and having them all smashed to hell, especially at the $11 point Amazon is asking.

Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: JediMAC on July 15, 2004, 04:09 PM
How do you really feel, Ben?   :P

That's a bummer, but not terribly surprising considering it was Amazon.  They usually just throw their figures in a box, and toss one or two of those large "air pack" thingees, and that's it.  I would never go Amazon if I was shooting for something MOMC.  I was hoping that at least the VOTC plastic clamshells would at least be able to absorb most of the shipping truama though.  Guess not.   :-\
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Vator on July 15, 2004, 04:28 PM
Much like VOTC Han Solo, I just picked up a VOTC Darth Vader for a little more than retail...not a big difference though. More updates when he arrives.  :D
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Ben on July 15, 2004, 04:42 PM
How do you really feel, Ben?   :P

That's a bummer, but not terribly surprising considering it was Amazon.  They usually just throw their figures in a box, and toss one or two of those large "air pack" thingees, and that's it.  I would never go Amazon if I was shooting for something MOMC.  I was hoping that at least the VOTC plastic clamshells would at least be able to absorb most of the shipping truama though.  Guess not.   :-\

That's exactly how they were packed. If they'd have left the stupid air thing out, these might have arrived OK.

Meh. I know I won't order any more VOTC from these putzes.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Nicklab on July 15, 2004, 07:50 PM
How do you really feel, Ben?   :P

That's a bummer, but not terribly surprising considering it was Amazon.  They usually just throw their figures in a box, and toss one or two of those large "air pack" thingees, and that's it.  I would never go Amazon if I was shooting for something MOMC.  I was hoping that at least the VOTC plastic clamshells would at least be able to absorb most of the shipping truama though.  Guess not.   :-\

Mine actually arrived in pretty good shape.  Amazon stuffed quite a few of those air pillows in the carton, and they were all snug as a bug in a rug.  No visible dents in the clamshells.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on July 16, 2004, 11:56 AM
Another week and still no signs of vOTC 3PO feature at Hasbro's site...

*sigh*

The articulation mystery continues.

Jeff
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on July 16, 2004, 02:52 PM
I know, it seems like they forgot about it.  Hopefully we'll get some pics of him as well next week at Comic-Con, since they haven't put him on their site.  For those of you who have gotten the VOTC Obi-Wan, what do you think of that figure?  I've got one on the way, but from the reviews I have read so far, it doesn't seem like he's really getting glowing comments from people.  Han seems to be a favorite so far, and Leia has sounded like it is a pretty good figure as well, but I haven't seen as much positive about the old hermit.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on July 16, 2004, 10:51 PM
The articulation mystery continues.

I say it's a conspiracy. What are they hiding?  ;) You'd hope now that he'd at least be at ComiCon.

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For those of you who have gotten the VOTC Obi-Wan, what do you think of that figure?

I seem to be squarely in the minority but I really like the figure, even with the soft goods. He's fairly poseable, has lots of detail, and is a good likeness. Looks terrible without the cloak, but hey. I have him posed with both hands clasping the lightsaber, which helps compress the bulky cloak around his body and, as a result, makes it look more natural.

I also have faith that we'll get a "living" version of the Dagobah Spirit Ben to cover my plastic cloak/hood down Ben needs, so that may be helping improve my opinion on the VOTC one.




 
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on July 16, 2004, 11:36 PM
I also have faith that we'll get a "living" version of the Dagobah Spirit Ben to cover my plastic cloak/hood down Ben needs, so that may be helping improve my opinion on the VOTC one.


Uh... no one has addressed my post (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?board=39;action=display;threadid=3693;start=msg66943#msg66943) over in the Dagobah thread yet, so I'll go ahead and post it here in hopes of getting your opinion Jared...

Forgive my ignorance, but I've got a question for you guys...

I've been vocal in my desire to get an Non-Spirit Ben figure, but I may already have one, for it seems that Spirit Ben Kenobi (Dagobah) is... a kitbashed/rehash.

While goofing around with Ben last night, I discovered that the date stamp on his foot reads "2000", and to top it off he has a little tiny hole in his belt just like the PotJ Ben does.  After comparing for a bit, I feel I can sefely say that Spirit Ben's legs, lower body, and torso are all identical to the PotJ version!  

I think that his head may be recycled from the old Lays Spirit Obi-Wan as well.  As near as I can tell, only the arms and cloak are new... but that may be only because we havn't figured out where they came from yet. :(


So, is he kitbashed?  Or am I just crazy?

Jeff
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on July 16, 2004, 11:41 PM
Partly, and partly new.

Arms hands, and possibly the head are new...  Torso, legs, and skirt piece are POTJ Ben Kenobi.

The head I, and others, are having a tough time telling.  

Personally, I'm saying it's the POTJ head for now, but it COULD be new.  It's so tough to tell with the holo plastic.  

EDIT:

Upon closer inspection, the torsos are REALLY different.  The lower torso (legs/skirt) seem to be all that was reused now that I look at it closer.  The upper body's 100% new though.

The head's definitely a new sculpt...  The arms and cloak are also definitely new.

The lower body though, still sports the hole for his saber hilt even.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on July 18, 2004, 03:53 AM
If you look closely at the Spirit version's torso neck and dark "V" section, you can see they've punched up the detail in that area. The POTJ version is much smoother, missing all of the ruffles and texture; it's much flatter.

The head is hard to call. There ARE differences, but they're very similar. I'm going to say its new. It's easiest to tell in the side profile. Then chin is slightly less protruding. The forehead and brow are less curved and higher. From the front, the jawline is much more vertically angled and thinner than before. It's weird, I guess because they are both pretty good. I think the Spirit one is a better likeness though. And it's definitly not the same head as the VOTC one.

The figure was a creative reuse of parts and I really wish they kept the momentum up with more like him, sort of a POTJ mindset resurgence.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on July 18, 2004, 03:31 PM
VOTC is selling out here...  

K-Marts in my area (at least 3 I was at personally, as well as every other one in the area it seems from local reports) got VOTC in...  3 of each figure for the most part, or more.  They're all gone now from what I can tell.

The figures are really just that good I believe...  Top-notch stuff.

Even the "worse" of the group are still good figures.  That Kenobi's still the only old ben you'll get in a speeder, and with the right cloak looks really quite good.

I'm expecting GREAT things from the final figures really...

12" are out here now...  12" is something I'm ditching, but if I wasn't I'd be all over the Fett.  It's nice I think.

I'm wondering if these will wind up being really easy to get, or if these will turn into such hot items they sell through everywhere steadily?  This should be interesting.  Disconcerting on some of these later figures too. :(
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on July 18, 2004, 04:48 PM
They're really cool figures but I still don't know how much that translates to 10 dollars cool for the average shopper. I haven't spotted them anywhere since the first time I found them.

The problem with Kmart is they're such a terrible barometer for figure sales. DoctorPadawan summed up their problems well over in the cantina scene thread. I've watched my Kmart like a freakin' hawk the past two weeks after nabbing the VOTC there, and they've had absolutley nothing since. So between JediMAC and myself, that particular store has been selling extremely well, but only to two people. Who knows if they'll ever bother to restock.

I see that they're still in-stock at Amazon.com/TRU. They usually tear through new figures and they're still there. That's a bit strange. If they had Luke I'd order 2 just so I can stop going into that filthy Kmart for a while.

I think its too early to call one way or the other, but my fear is this - the price point completely F's up distribution in a whole new way:

Say Kmart underorders, being conservative, and takes the equivelant of about 1 case per store. They blow through their inventory, think these are hot new toys, and reorder in droves, recieving a heap of Wave 2 - which sell a good, but not extraordinary amount due to the pricepoint, and Landos and Yodas sit on the shelf. Wave 3 never arrives (or wave 2.5 with 3P0).

Now say that at the same time Toys R Us orders a ton of VOTC right up front, in typical fashion, as they did with Saga. Their stores are glutted with Saga toys in the aisles, so those bulks of Wave 1 take a long while to both distribute to stores and make their way to the shelf. As it seams to be by their online inventory, they have plenty of Ben, Leia, and Han to go around. Wave 2 gets passed over while stock slowly depletes, hopefully. Then Wave 3 either arrives en-masse or never at all. Too early to tell, but I forecast doom and gloom regardless.

And I haven't even begun worrying about what will go on with Walmart or Target. I just have a bad feeling the pricepoint is going to cause tons of problems for the line to make it all the way to Wave 3 without some problems.

All I know is that by the time Wave 3 hits, there's no way there will be a Stormtrooper or a Fett sitting on the shelf for everyone that wants one. Sorry for the wordy post.

Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Force Guy on July 19, 2004, 02:23 AM
They're really cool figures but I still don't know how much that translates to 10 dollars cool for the average shopper.

Exactly.  The 100% markup rate of $10 retail is hard to swallow, especially when Hasbro has a history of making 'ultimate' figures like the super poseable Clone Trooper or Ephant Mon available for $5 retail.  
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on July 19, 2004, 03:00 PM
The $10, I 100% believe, is specialty packaging...  Not the figure itself.

The articulation's considered a "fixed cost" on the overall product, while "limited edition" short-run packaging is a variable cost.  Over the long-haul, both can be lessened should more be produced, but the packaging is supposedly not goiong to be reproduced after this series' first (and thus only) run.  The articulation, should the figure(s) see re-release someday in any format, will be a cost that diminishes over time...  

I like to think Hasbro wise enough that, if they're to re-release a Han ANH someday or ANH Leia, that they use these sculpts...  Of course, what's logical and what actually is to occur tend to vary greatly.

The Han and Leia are, without a doubt, the best of both versions.  Neither figure's perfect though....  Han's damned close though.  I'd say closer than the Clone even, which wowed me bigtime.

Deluxe Durge is up in that running as well.  A truly amazing piece of work...

The packaging on the VOTC arguably increases this to $10 value, depending on how you view the paradox of value for yourself, but it certainly is costing Hasbro more to do this "special" packaging.  I just wish we weren't paying for it.

I think the Basic OTC card is miles better myself.   :-\
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on July 20, 2004, 08:24 AM
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That's exactly how they were packed. If they'd have left the stupid air thing out, these might have arrived OK.

Meh. I know I won't order any more VOTC from these putzes.

I had a similar experience with Amazon as well now.  We received a package we had ordered through them yesterday, and while the VOTC Ben, and the other stuff we ordered, arrived just fine....the VOTC Leia was smashed up pretty good.  And like Ben mentioned earlier, even the inside bubble was smashed up.  The "star case" was smashed in on the top and the bottom, and the inside bubble is crushed too.  I guess its ok, it will make it easier to go ahead and open these up (I had been debating), but I think I would say too that if you want a nice, MOC set, you might want to think twice about Amazon.  However, the other two I have received through them (Han and Ben) both arrived in good shape.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Force Guy on July 20, 2004, 12:52 PM
And like Ben mentioned earlier, even the inside bubble was smashed up.  The "star case" was smashed in on the top and the bottom, and the inside bubble is crushed too.  I guess its ok, it will make it easier to go ahead and open these up (I had been debating), but I think I would say too that if you want a nice, MOC set, you might want to think twice about Amazon.

Actually, the Han I found at retail wasn't MOC.  It doesn't matter to me since I'm an opener, but I couldn't help but notice that both the card AND bubble were not mint.  There was a ding along the side of the card and the bubble was scuffed up.  It's clear that Hasbro didn't take any measures to ensure that 'mint' condition figures were getting sealed up in these special clamshells.  A protector case doesn't do any good if there's a 'damaged' product inside.      
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on July 20, 2004, 10:13 PM
Hyperspace members can check out Chewie, Stormie, R2 and Boba Fett!!!

http://www.starwars.com/hyperspace/member/kessel/f20040720/index.html
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Ben on July 20, 2004, 10:32 PM
Whoa.  

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Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: jokabofe on July 20, 2004, 10:38 PM
ehhh. chewie looks okay, r2 looks... like r2, stormie - not impressed. fett - yeah, he looks great. but i'm not impressed overall with these  :(
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Vator on July 20, 2004, 10:48 PM
Bleeping renewal fees!  >:(
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Nicklab on July 20, 2004, 11:14 PM
NICE!
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on July 20, 2004, 11:21 PM
I hate not having hyperspace...

:(

Jeff
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Morgbug on July 20, 2004, 11:57 PM
I hate not having hyperspace...

:(

Jeff


Ditto.

Well, except for the Jeff part.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: habs98 on July 21, 2004, 12:05 AM
I think fett looks the best of the 3.  Not to impressed with Chewbacca and R2-D2.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on July 21, 2004, 12:43 AM
Agreed, Chewie is a bit underwhelming and so is R2.  The R2 pic is a tad bit wonky, be nice to see more pics tomorrow
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Diddly on July 21, 2004, 12:50 AM
**** Hyperspace.

 :)

Besides, Hasbro will be showing the pics soon anyway.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on July 21, 2004, 02:54 AM
I like Fett, he might deliver the goods. Chewie looks like a great generic ROTJ version of the character, which is highly welcome. R2 looks as underwhelming as I had ever imagined, but there's nothing wrong with him.

Where the HELL is 3P0???!!!!!
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on July 21, 2004, 10:43 AM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/7-04/VOTCc3poproto.jpg)

No knee articulation >:(

(http://members.sparedollar.com/CAT/votcc3po03.JPG)
Title: VOTC 3PO Up at Hasbro
Post by: Brian on July 21, 2004, 11:27 AM
Hasbro has (finally) updated with their feature on the VOTC C-3PO.  The figure looks pretty nice, but unfortunately is not nearly as articulated as we had hoped (neck, shoulders, hips)

Vintage OTC C-3PO (http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/pl/page.headlines/id.1074/dn/default.cfm)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: DoctorPadawan on July 21, 2004, 06:21 PM
You know, I'm really disappointed in the Threepio now that it is known he only has less than standard articulation.  I was under the impression that the VOTC figures were supposed to represent the "ultimate" versions of these characters, and so far, it looks as if Han and Leia are the only ones that truly fit this bill.

The fact that Obi-Wan does not have the same type of elbow articulation as Han and Leia (considering he should need it more than either of those two since he holds his weapon with both hands) was upsetting and the lack of knee articulation just made it worse.  It looks as if Vader has the standard cut biceps (as does Lando for that matter) and that kind of disappoints me too.  But for a Threepio figure to have less than standard articulation is really ticking me off at the moment.  If they were going to pull this, they should have made it a removable limbs version (with a decent backpack for Chewbacca to carry him in) and put it on a real ESB card (not that the one they are using isn't real, but you know what I mean).  But no, Hasbro proves that they will cut every corner they possibly can, even when it is on a product being pushed as the high-end of the action figure spectrum.

At this point (and some of you can confirm or deny this, as I don't and will not ever pay LFL for access to a website), I am fully expecting the VOTC R2 to have a crappy metalized dome and a third leg that doesn't even retract.  After seeing the "new" Cantina three pack today, I really hope this line dies within a year after Episode III.  Give me the main characters and vehicles, a good assortment of background characters and aliens, and let it die Hasbro.  You obviously don't care enough to put any effort into the stuff anymore, so give it up already.  

Oh, and yes, I'm in a really bad mood today, none of which has to do with SW toys.  They are just a safe and convenient outlet for my hostility. >:(
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Ben on July 21, 2004, 09:15 PM
To be honest, this whole OTC does stink of Hasbro finally admitting they don't have anything else in mind until Ep. III. They're finally giving us the cardback we've wanted since 1995, and they think they're offering the best-ever versions of the main characters, but I have to say, since I've opened my three VOTC figures, I can't ******* believe I paid $11 a crack for these. And only to have them arrive damaged, no less. ::)

Not to mention repacks of figures that were **** in 1997.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Vator on July 21, 2004, 09:32 PM
GH has pics up of the ROTJ wave, and I must say these things rock! I need 400+ Stormtroopers.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: jokabofe on July 21, 2004, 09:33 PM
and on that second-to-last note, something i forgot to ask:

anybody who is opening their votc and doesn't keep/doesn't want the outer plastic case and the figure bubble, please contact me... i want to do a few custom votc figures that hasbro "conveniently" forgot to do, and i need a few of the bubbles/cases. i'll gladly pay shipping plus a few bucks or a figure or something.

thanx  ;D
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on July 21, 2004, 10:39 PM
Hmmm...

I like them all.

No surprise there... :)

Now the trick will be getting me to stop at just TWO of those RotJ Stormtroopers.

(http://starwars.com/community/feature/20040720/20040720_picview/img/17.jpg)


Jeff
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Darby on July 21, 2004, 11:24 PM
I must resist... no matter how hard...

All winners.  I have to believe though these will be repacked later on for $5.  I like the stormtrooper and Chewie the best.  And R2.  And Fett.  And...
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on July 22, 2004, 12:31 AM
Random thoughts...

-Vader = near perfection...  Short of a removable 3-piece helmet, removable hand with visible wiring stump, and a real chain for the cloak, I couldn't think of him being better in the slightest.  Just GREAT figure.

-C-3PO = Eh...  This figure hasn't got any redeeming feature to make me say "Oh yeah!".  No extra articulation, no pull-apart feature even (and he's packaged on ESB card, what gives?).  Sadly his counterpart is just about as interesting.  And the search for an articulated 3PO goes on, and on, and on.

-R2-D2 = Eh...  Just like 3PO, R2's pretty bland.  What he DOES have going for him is a nice datalink and buzzsaw, and they do look like spiffy sculpts.  His dome's chrome though, which isn't exactly accurate considering his helmet's a duller silver color.  He's a basic R2 though...  I guess that's cool, but better for $5 than $10.

-Boba Fett = Where's the rest of him???  He seems like he's missing smething...  Wookie Scalps and his rangefinder!  Hmmm...  I dig him, though I really hpe for real braided hair wookie scalps.  If that's the case, he's pretty darn near perfect in my eyes judging by the articulation.  He's everything POC Fett isn't.  What's cool though is POC Fett's blast effect is going to rock with this Fett, and POC Fett's a little better purchase now with his action pose, now that I know something more universal is coming.  Bring on an ESB version withs ome slight retooling and a pistol holster.  :)

-Stormtrooper = Awesome!!!  Everyone must be disillussioned with the hobby, or by the $10 price, to not be going ga-ga over what everyone's asked for for ages!  A finally, truly, super articulated Stormtrooper!  Even at $10 I want at least a handful.  At $5 I'll take an ass-load, and if they do a 4-pack for under $20 I'll take what I can afford and just go on one hell of a diet for a while.

This should be a figure that sees SUPER wide release for the life of the line.  Period.  

If Hasbro came to me tomorrow and said, "Jesse, you'll only ever get figures this good if we package them in these special cards, clamshells, and bubbles, and you'll always have to pay $10 for them...  But we're willing to do every main character in every "action" outfit they wore as well as army builders", then I'd say I'd pay the $10.

The level of quality on the Han is just that good...  I'd take it.  I'd gripe about the $10, but I'd take it.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Diddly on July 22, 2004, 01:04 AM
I ordered Wave 1 today, and am preparing my money for the future waves. Everything looks great, with the droids being my least favorite.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Force Guy on July 22, 2004, 10:39 AM
It's a shame Hasbro won't be using ROTJ-specific cardbacks (which featured pics of the characters from ROTJ) for Chewie and Fett.  VOTC Chewie looks great.  It looks like the best Chewie figure yet.  The VOTC Stormie looks great, too.  However, I'm not very impressed with VOTC Fett.  I know the figure is loaded with articulation, but it just doesn't look as detailed as I was expecting (especially at the 100% markup price point).  His proportions seem a bit off for some reason and his wrist gadgets seem a bit oversized.  He also seems to be missing a neck.  VOTC R2 is nothing special (IMO).  
   
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on July 22, 2004, 01:24 PM
I think most would agree with you on the R2, Force Guy.  Very bland...  Include damn near every tool and a pop-up sabre, and I think people would've been impressed by it.

The Stormie's my favorite, easily.

On the Fett, I disagree with you though...  I think the detailing's amazing, and the proportions look right to me...  I think the camera angles are tugh to judge him by entirely.  The hose to his right gauntlet's awesome.

I think with his cape, scalps, and rangefinder we'll be more impressed.  He's incomplete looking right now, and with good reason I guess since he is incomplete.

Chewie is great...  Anyone else hoping for a removable bandoleir for customs?  Looks like it might be a separate accessory to me.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Diddly on July 22, 2004, 01:31 PM
It looks like it MAY be removeable, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Anybody else notice that Chewie has the Ultra Wampa waist articulation?


EDIT INSTEAD OF NEW POST: Would anybody be interested in VOTC style Prequel figs? Or Ultimate versions of prequel figs? I would buy them.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on July 22, 2004, 01:32 PM
The VOTC line continues to impress, but as some of you have mentioned, some of the figures (like 3PO and R2), don't exactly make me go "wow, I can't believe it" the way the initial ones did when we first saw them.  However, every single one of this whole line seems to be sculpted very, very well.  I'm kind of in the boat with Jesse, when he said that if Hasbro would only do these figures, in this style (packaging and all), for the main characters, etc....I'd probably be down with paying $10 a piece as well...as long as we could still get them, and they were somewhat limited so I wouldn't have to sell a kidney or something :).

Looking at these pictures, aside from articulation on 3PO, and the gadgets on R2...do you think they can make these characters any better?  When we first heard of/saw this line, it was kind of the feeling of "finally, the end all be all versions of these characters".  Seeing the Han, and the Stormtrooper...I think they have done it.  They look to be pretty much perfect.  Chewie looks good as well, and to be honest...I don't know what else they can really do with Chewie to improve it, aside from the removable bandolier.  I think they have gotten the sculpt down pretty well between the Cloud City version and this VOTC one.  The articulation looks to be pretty good on this one as well.  I guess I'm wondering, do you think that these can still be improved on?  Aside from articulation on 3PO, and maybe an "ultimate gadget-tastic" R2, that is.  Overall, I'm quite happy with this line...and this morning I saw that they have shown up at the TRU in town here.  They had 3x Han, 3x Obi, and 2x Leia.  All of them where there, don't know when they got put out.  I picked up an extra Han for now, I'd like to have 2 of each, but my wife doesn't agree.  I got away with the Han for now.  Plus, I'd kick myself if I bought 2 of all of these, to see them released for $5 later on :o  Seeing the pics of them all on the coverage though, makes me wish there was another wave (or more) coming.  Come on, how about a POTF wave? :P
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on July 22, 2004, 02:16 PM
I'm hoping for a wave with new resculpts...Cantina Band Member, Tarkin, Wedge and R5-D4 or something

From the POTF era there would be a great chance to redo Han Carbonite, a couple of Ewoks and Yakface or Barada but none of them are iconic characters like some of those above are

I also wouldn't mind them finishing the 12-back figures Tusken Death Star Trooper, Jawa

As far as prequel figs I'd be all for that...but not at the 100% markup.  I've been asking for new Super Maul, Qui-Gon, Obi-Wans, Anakins and Dookus for a while now (with little support :p)  It's something I want to see happen though

I wonder if the near misses are intentional though, makes you keep coming back for more and to buy a superior figure down the road.  If they make an Ultimate Vader what's gonna entice the Opener to buy another inferior Vader next year????
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Nicklab on July 22, 2004, 02:56 PM
As far as prequel figs I'd be all for that...but not at the 100% markup.  I've been asking for new Super Maul, Qui-Gon, Obi-Wans, Anakins and Dookus for a while now (with little support :p)  It's something I want to see happen though


Hey, don't forget that I've been calling for those too.  I think the Jedi and Sith really do need to be presented in a manner much like the VOTC in terms of sculpting and articulation.  If Hasbro would present these ultimate versions, and not something like "Coruscant Chase Obi-Wan & Outlander Obi-Wan & Arena Obi-Wan & Pilot Obi-Wan", I would gladly fork over $10 each to save myself the $20 that four basic versions would cost.

As for the VOTC line, I'd like to see it continue with characters that were part of the vintage line.  The 12 back characters would be a great place to start.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on July 22, 2004, 03:06 PM
Oooh.  I'd love more of these vOTC styled figures!

A PotF wave!
Carbonite Han Solo
Stormtrooper Luke
Emperor
Endor Leia

An all new Star Wars wave! (Non-vintage figures on Vintage looking cards):
Grand Moff Tarkin
Cantina Band Member
Owen Lars
Wedge

An all new Ep1 "vintage" wave (cards look like SW cards, but with Ep1):
Darth Maul
Qui-Gon Jinn
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Mace Windu
(no JarJar)

An all new Ep2 "vintage" wave (cards look like ESB cards, but with Ep2):
Clone Trooper
Jango
Dooku
Yoda

An all new Ep3 "vintage" wave (cards look like RoTJ cards, but with Ep3):
Anakin
Obi-Wan
Padme
Sidious

I love those vOTC figures!

Jeff
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on July 22, 2004, 03:20 PM
I'm really all for more VOTC, but I'd like new figures like Jeff pointed out.  Something that actually ADDS to Vintage in some way, at least in a card...  Some new figures, and maybe mixed with some old-school remakes too, but at least a FEW new figs.

ANH:

-Fleet Trooper
-Tarkin
-Wedge
-Sandtrooper

ESB:

-Rebel FootSoldier (Not Vinty styled card, something new)
-General Veers (Include his armor/helmet as an accessory, but make it a carded Veers in officer uniform version)
-Snowspeeder Pilot (generic, or Dak)
-Imperial Snowtrooper

ROTJ

-Han Trench Coat
-Leia Poncho
-Luke Poncho & removable Jedi Vest (ultimate Luke)
-Emperor
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Darby on July 22, 2004, 03:29 PM
I totally agree.  More VOTC style figs (maybe not for $10) and VOTC prequel figs.  The prequel ones especially.  Now for my list:

The VPTC:

TPM:
Darth Maul
Obi Wan
Qui Gon
Orange Handmaiden Padme

AOTC:
Anakin
Obi Wan
Mace
Count Dooku

And more VOTC:

ANH:
Tarkin
Han Stormtrooper
Wedge
Jawas   :)

ESB
Snowtrooper
Hoth Luke
Hoth Han
Hoth Leia

ROTJ:
Slave Leia
Emperor
Scout Trooper
Han Trench Coat
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on July 22, 2004, 03:46 PM
Those three Endor figures Han, Leia and Luke are right there on my top 10 Resculpt lists...we need them to remake them some day
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on July 22, 2004, 04:00 PM
Something I haven't seen anywhere else yet, but Scum just put up a nice clear picture of shirtless vOTC Luke.

Luke - Will Dance for Cash (http://www.rebelscum.com/toys2004/VOTCluke_noshirt.jpg)

Thought all you other customizers out there might like to see what he looks like under there... not quite what I had hoped.   :-\

Jeff
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on July 22, 2004, 04:04 PM
Wow, I've been waiting for shirtless shots of Luke's VOTC figure since it's anticipated custom fodder.

Not bad...  As nice as a shirtless figure can look I guess.  REALLY articulated.  Like a Dragon 1:6 figure even.  :)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on July 22, 2004, 04:13 PM
I was surprised they had that much articulation hidden under there.

I might end up using Luke for customs... if he's every re-released for $5.  ;)

Jeff
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on July 22, 2004, 04:25 PM
Is that new torso articulation?  So he can lean over?????
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on July 22, 2004, 05:37 PM
I might have to buy a second Luke to make a Dagobah training version...a new head, and a swap from the OTC version should do it. Then I guess I'd have to find some really thin material for the tank top.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Muftak on July 22, 2004, 11:01 PM
Onto Artoo...

I have to say I'm really disappointed in our ROTJ version of Artoo. I was hoping for an ultimate opening swiss-army R2. The "chrome dome" is probably Hasbro's attempt to add perceived value to the figure, but its inacuraccy leaves the Bar2 still a superior figure. The arm is a nice feature, looks like it may connect magnetically from what I can see. I assumed there would have to be a sensorscope, though. I'll have to pass until they rehash it somewhere down the line...

And that's all from an opener's point-of-view. If I were a carded collector, I'd be royally upset with them for changing the card text from the vintage version! If they were going to change something, they might as well have used the much nicer looking "Star Wars" card image with a  ROTJ logo.

(http://www.rebelscum.com/vintage/ROTJ_R2_wsensor.jpg)<--That's no "extension arm!" (http://www.galactichunter.com/absoluteig/gallery.asp?action=viewimage&categoryid=3413&text=&imageid=11595&box=&shownew=)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on July 24, 2004, 05:18 PM
From the back of the ROTJ cards:

(http://members.aol.com/jareedo/votc_chew.jpg)
(http://members.aol.com/jareedo/votc_r2.jpg)
(http://members.aol.com/jareedo/votc_fett.jpg)
(http://members.aol.com/jareedo/votc_storm.jpg)

Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Ben on July 24, 2004, 10:10 PM
Judging by the card backs, I'd have to say I'm disappointed in Chewie not being on the 2nd ROTJ card that I like more, but more people will like the 1st photo anyway, so I'm in the minority.

I too noticed the logo change. Seems an odd thing to do.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: jokabofe on July 24, 2004, 11:11 PM
yeah, having the second chewie photo would have been a nice touch, i agree.

i might be a little slow here... clue me into what logo change you are referring to? please  :D
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on July 25, 2004, 02:23 AM
Sad to say, but if Hasbro reused the Chewie with a Bespin Escape head, or slapped a removable dog collar on it...  I'd buy that figure over, and over...

*sigh*

All off them look great.  Amazingly, even R2's growing on me, but I'm still disappointed.

3PO, while a nice accurate sculpt, is the stinker ofo the entire VOTC line.  Even Ben found someone underneath him.  That took some effort (Or lack of it) I'd say.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Darby on July 25, 2004, 04:35 AM
I saw an ad in the new Toyfare today for VOTC, featuring Ben and something like 'unbelievable articulation.'  I laughed out loud.  False advertising at its finest.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Ben on July 25, 2004, 12:40 PM
yeah, having the second chewie photo would have been a nice touch, i agree.

i might be a little slow here... clue me into what logo change you are referring to? please  :D

Well, it might be just me, but the VOTC Jedi logo looks different to me. It looks like it uses a thinner character type font.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Darth Broem on July 25, 2004, 07:42 PM
Of the VOTC's I just love the Chewbacca, Han Solo, Stormtrooper, Darth Vader and Boba Fett (hope the cape is with him?).  In the middle I like Leia, Yoda, Lando, and Kenobi.  At the end I like C-3PO, R2-D2, Luke.   Now that I've seen Chewie's face I think they should have gone with the other photo that resembles the same hair style on his head.  But the one they chose is fine with me.  I am just glad they used the starfield background for Boba.  I wish this R2-D2 would have had a launching lightsaber, but apparently they have not figured out a way to do that without making R2 look terrible ( ahem - the flashback version).  

All in all it's great stuff IMO.  Hope everyone can find at least 2 Stormtroopers.  I think my personal favorite is the Chewbacca.  It at least surprised me the most with how good the sculpt is.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Ben on July 25, 2004, 07:56 PM
I'll need about three Stormtroopers. Two to open, one to leave carded.

Hopefully, there will be enough for all of us to get at least one.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on July 26, 2004, 10:02 AM
These look pretty good to me too, and I'm still really liking this line overall.  Too bad it sounds like its going to be as limited as we feared (judging from their answers to Matt's Q and A).  Aside from that, I do like the Chewie a lot.  I'm in the boat that would have liked the 2nd card photo, but this one is good too.  C-3PO's articulation is quite disappointing, but I will admit that the sculpt does look pretty spiffy.  R2 looks nice (really like the sculpting on this one), but I wish he would have been a little more "gadget-tastic" I guess.  Overall, a pretty good R2 though...they've had other good ones in the past, and other than more gadgets, or a pop up lightsaber (good version), I don't know if there is much more they can do with this figure.  Just get one great version and go with it.  The Stormtrooper and Fett both look amazing, and I wish these weren't $10 a pop so I could pick up several Stormies.  Other than the price, and a few minor quibbles, this line is something I have always wanted to get....well articulated, wonderfully sculpted versions of the "main" characters, packaged on vintage cardbacks.  Now if we can only find them ;)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on July 28, 2004, 01:54 PM
I see that both CloudCity and Action-HQ have parts of the VOTC - Wave 2 in stock.  Looks like they have Luke, Vader, and Yoda (at around $20 a piece).  Hopefully this means they will start hitting retail before too terribly long too.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jedirhino on July 28, 2004, 10:57 PM
I loved these figures before they even came out...the price was the killer for me and I don't think that $20 a pop is too fantastic either...I am happy with the $13 that I paid for each...some figures I open and some I do not, but this is truly one set that will stay closed no matter the wonderful articulation of each of the pieces...I am more appreciative of them now that I have the first 3 in hand!!! WOOOOOOOOHHHOOOOO!!!! That's all that I have to say...
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Vator on July 29, 2004, 03:41 PM
Lord Vader has arrived. A detailed review with a plethora of pictures coming later today.

He looks great, but I cannot see an inner cape at this point. But, the way his cape is draped around him, I cannot tell.


More to come!
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Paul on July 30, 2004, 11:10 AM
I am going to go broke Army building that Stormtrooper.

Can anybody tell if his head is on the ball post like some of the other VOTC?  I was thinking a Han Solo in VOTC Stormtrooper Custom would be easy to do.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Paul on July 30, 2004, 08:30 PM
I hate to double post, but this info seemed worth it...

I got the VOTC Luke today at KB and when I opened it, I noticed that he can do a very Jean Claude Van Damme-esque Splits.  

It appears his legs at the hips are able to "Spread".

A very cool piece of articulation that I don't think I've seen anybody mention.

Did Luke spend the entire first movie as a Mouthbreather?  Why do all renditions of him lately show his teeth?  Is he that bucky and I didn't notice?

Something else that is striking is the height difference between Luke and Han.  And Leia is even shorter than Luke.  It looks odd just because I guess I've never seen them done truly to scale before (if they are indeed more correct this time around)

I'll try to get some pics of Luke Van Damme , but somebody will have to tell me how to post them.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on July 30, 2004, 08:45 PM
I've seen it blurbed a couple places, but it's good news (and maybe new to some) here Paul, so cool beans.

First Hasbro SW figure with ball/socket hips, ever.

Perhaps signs of a Biker Scout, Endor Luke, and Endor Leia to come?

One can dream, right?
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Paul on July 31, 2004, 10:08 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/pmundheim/Luke004.jpg)


I call this one Sumo-Luke
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/pmundheim/Luke005.jpg)

And for my pal Jesse (I couldn't find my speeder bikes so I had to substitute the Taun Taun)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/pmundheim/Luke006.jpg)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on August 2, 2004, 09:29 AM
Nice pics of the Luke figure...thanks!  I don't know if it has been mentioned, but GalacticHunter has some "hi res" shots up of the VOTC ROTJ wave.  They look pretty cool to me, and very well articulated.  You can take a look at the pics HERE (http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/templates/full_article_template_1.asp?articleid=3167&zoneid=2)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on August 2, 2004, 03:45 PM
Stormie (http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/pl/page.headlines/id.1082/dn/default.cfm)

13 points of articulation

(http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/images/news/85272_in.jpg)
The logo on here looks a little wonky
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Force Guy on August 2, 2004, 04:44 PM
It seems strange that every picture released, thus far, of VOTC Fett features him without a cape.  
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Vator on August 2, 2004, 06:03 PM
That sucks. Should be an easy custom though. POTC Boba's cape should do the trick.

Anyway, here's a pic of my VOTC Vader:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v115/Vator/CRACKELCRACKELROBOTPANTS051.jpg)

The figure is really the best Vader so far. I may post a review sometime today/this week of him.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on August 2, 2004, 06:42 PM
Great photos Paul.  Nice to see a figure with ball/socket hips.

Onto the Stormtrooper...  Some interesting text over yonder at Hasbro about the articulation.

His elbows aren't being described as ball/socket if I'm not mistaken.

Quote
Considered the best 3 ¾” stormtrooper ever, the new stormtrooper was created from scratch with incredible attention to achieving the right head proportions.

OK, good news there...  The head does look spot-on, and that shouold mean a hollowable helmet that'll fit well on lots of headsculpts I'd think.

Quote
With 13 total points of articulation, this stormtrooper has ball-sockets at the neck, shoulders, and waist. He has insert-molded elbow joints, knees, and ankles, in addition to standard articulation at the wrist and hips.

13 points?  Hmmm, interesting...  Super Articulated Clone has 14.  What's the Stormtrooper missing though?  The count seems to encompass all the Clone has.

-2 standard wrist
-2 ball/socket elbows (Hasbro lists "insert-molded", which is a new term to me.  I'm curious to see what this is, but till then we'll say ball/socket)
-2 ball/socket shoulder
-2 ball/socket ankle
-2 ball/socket knee
-2 standard hip
-1 ball/socket waist (assuming like the SA Clone's double-jointed torso)
-1 ball/socket neck

This is strange because that comes to 14, not 13, unless Hasbro's cut articulation on a wrist or something?  

Plus, some of the joints, in blown up photos, are clearly the same ball/socket joints (though they're using this new term of "insert-molded", whatever that means) used on VOTC Han, or the SA Clone.  Very strange wording there, and the totals aren't jiving to me.

Could it be the Stormtrooper's  NOT perfect, and that it's something less than the Clone?  Interesting...  

Definitely the best to-date, but I wonder what the deal is here now.  Hasbro's image isn't the swiftest either...  The figure looks like he's falling apart, so hopefully that's just not the final result, haha.

(http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/images/news/85272.jpg)

Anyway...

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Stormtrooper comes with a standard issue blaster that fits in a holster.

I dunno about you guys, but the holster is a cool feature to me. :)  It works too, finally!  

I've heard a couple gripes that a ROTJ Stormie has a holster, but in actuality they did have them in many scenes, namely on the Death Star.  It was on Endor where they seemed to not have them as much, for whatever reason.  Production issue perhaps (different filming local...  Maybe forgot to have them on-hand or whatnot).

The holster rocks to me...  Was good news.

I'm curious on the articulation now however.   :-\  Wondering what we're gonna get in the end.  Blowing up the image from Hasbro, it looks just like ball/socket joints...  I'd hate for them to have gotten all creative  this figure, trying out some new "style" of articulation when they've mastered it on other figures.

"if it ain't broke, don't fix it", and the SA Clone and VOTC Han sure as hell ain't broke.  That's perfect in my book!
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: jokabofe on August 2, 2004, 10:23 PM
ugh, the elbow joints on that stormtrooper look downright awful.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on August 2, 2004, 11:16 PM
Yeah, that was what prompted my remark about the figure falling apart.  I feel certain this is not a final production shot, but still it's odd looking and kinda sloppy to put up for promotion.

Anyway...  Something I've noticed.

It says "wrist" articulation, not "wrists" plural.  Ugh...  Could this be where the missing 14th articulation point is?  That Hasbro would be so assinine as to have ONE wrist stuck?

That's extremely funny, if not extremely sad at the same time if it's the truth.  :)  I mean, if this truly is how the figure's done, and one wrist is stuck, tha'ts just absolutely incredible.  Really.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Diddly on August 3, 2004, 02:07 AM
You're right Jesse, from that pic, it looks as if the left wrist has no articulation. That would suck MAJORLY if it's added to the final product. Here's hoping for 14 points!
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on August 3, 2004, 02:42 AM
I'd really not count n it at this point though Diddly.  :(  

This is something a lot will see as minor...  Another "RFT" type issue in a way.  Sure the figure's better than the last one.  No doubt.  The wrist thing is pissy of Hasbro though...  That does suck, and this figure's dropped in my eyes.  I now am looking more towards Fett and Vader I think, unless the arm articulation makes up for the wrists some.

To say I'm NOT disappointed would be a lie though.  $10, this figure should have both wrists done.  Excuseless.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Darby on August 3, 2004, 03:18 AM
For $10 all of these figures should have 14 POA.  There's no excuse whatsoever.  The 'more articulation than you can imagine' ad is false and the crap shoot method they're issuing these in doesn't do a lot to part me from my money.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Paul on August 3, 2004, 08:47 AM
I think the missing 14th point is probably waist articulation.  Look at all the pics available over at GH or in the couple magazines that have pics and the wrist looks articulated but the waist is one that I just can't tell.

I'd rather have 14 points like Han, but I can live with lost waist articulation more than I can tolerate only one wrist.  I'm still buying 15-20 of them either way.


This is the picture that makes me think both wrists are articulated:
http://www.galactichunter.com/photo.asp?image=absolutenm/articlefiles/3167-votc3_01.jpg

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ok next time I'll read the whole text first, Hasbro says waist is articulated and they never lie......I still think that pic on GH makes it look like both wrists are articulated.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on August 3, 2004, 03:14 PM
Yeah, the count on Hasbro listed a double-jointed waist though, which I assume's just the same as Deluxe Durge and SA Clone had as well as VOTC Luke seems to have.

It's so flush thugh, it sure doesn't look articulated, I agree.

Hmmm  

This is going to be interesting to see the figure in person.
Title: VOTC Boba Fett
Post by: DSJ™ on August 3, 2004, 07:52 PM
VOTC Boba Fett (http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/pl/page.headlines/id.1083/dn/default.cfm)

(http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/images/news/85271_in.jpg)

(http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/images/news/85271_back.jpg)

(http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/images/news/85271.jpg)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on August 3, 2004, 08:54 PM
Reading Hasbro's description is pretty exciting. 18 points of articulation; what sounds like seperate hose pieces running to the guantlets, ball sockets all over the place, removable backpack - this may be the crown jewel.

What I don't get is his cape. It's not in any of their shots, wasn't at Comic Con, but they've confirmed it in the text today. At least it's happening.

Awesome, just awesome.

Also kinda curious is their comment about the card, which seems to elude to the idea that these are not reproductions of the original cardfronts, but recreations, since they mention source files for the card design. I always thought they were some direct repro from slides or something.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Diddly on August 3, 2004, 10:02 PM
Boba = Best VOTC Figure?

It sure looks that way.  :)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Vator on August 3, 2004, 10:06 PM
He looks great, he and the Stormtrooper I will be buying mulitples of.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on August 3, 2004, 10:37 PM
I'm digging this Fett too, and after spending some time tonight fondling my CTC Stormtroopers, I'll be glad to get two openers and be happy with the army I have, the CTC still is one of the best figures of the line IMO
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on August 4, 2004, 01:17 AM
Yeah, same here. I figure I'll have a few "hero" stormtroopers in the army with what I can only imagine will be a small handfull of VOTC openers I can get my hands on (unless some freakish distribution windfall occurs). Just put 'em up front is the plan.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on August 4, 2004, 10:58 AM
Nice to see another figure spotlight, it is nice hearing more about these figures.  Boba Fett looks pretty spiffy to me too, and from the sounds of things, should be everything that we were hoping for.  So, with 18 points, is this the most articulated Star Wars figure ever?  At least, in the 3 3/4" line?  I don't remember hearing of any figure having more, and Fett is a good one to "set the bar" with.  The VOTC line continues to impress, at least to me, and I kind of wish we'd get another wave or two of these.  Maybe after the ROTS hype dies down in 2006, Hasbro will go this route and release a few more "vintage style" figures.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on August 4, 2004, 02:02 PM
I do believe it is the most articulated figure ever for Star Wars.  This actually even boarders  21st and BBI's level of articulation...  Though, there's one thing I think is misleading.  They seem to count the range-finder's moveable feature as an articulation point.  I personally wouldn't/won't when I wind up getting and reviewing the figure.

They seem to be stretching some things I think with this one...  SA Clone's pretty tough to beat in articulation count, so unless Fett's sporting extra joints I think they're fudging the books a little.

The Stormtrooper's still the biggest surprise.  I'm really anxious to see what's doing there.

Fett, to me, looks superb.  I wonder if they'd ever use the majority of that figure and do an ESB one then?  I'd buy it in a heartbeat.  Hell, I'd buy an ARC if they cobbled that Fett with a SA Clone, and I'd buy a Jango if they reworked Boba a little.

THat sculpt could see reuse quite a few times I'd think.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Muftak on August 4, 2004, 04:10 PM
That Chewie sounds really nice. Removable bandolier, three pose-points in the torso, the articulated ankles. The sculpt looks really nice as well, for a ROTJ Chewie it's really spot-on. 80s BonJovi hair and everything.

I'll definitely buy him.

Not so sure about Fett. It looks nice and posable, but the arms look wonky, maybe just too big or something. I'll have to see it in person to be sure, but it doesn't impress me too much right now.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on August 4, 2004, 04:11 PM
Thanks for posting that Scott...Hasbro is on a roll with the updates this week, but I'm not complaining.  This is a figure I'm really looking forward to.  Looks like it will accompany Han well, and I don't see any real problems with our favorite Wookiee here.  The articulation and sculpt both look great to me at least.  I don't know that they can improve on Chewie too much more, between this version and the Cloud City one from the Saga line.  Both look pretty good to me.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Muftak on August 4, 2004, 09:46 PM
Best. Chewie. Ever. Looks like Hasbro has another winner.

Too bad he doesn't have ball jointed knees though.  :(

Fear not, Diddly:

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He has pivoting thighs, ball-jointed knees, and standard articulation at his ankles and hips.

As for the separate bandolier, I did indeed assume it would have to be for the articulation to work. I suppose it could very well be a part of one of the three sections (if it were I'd guess the shoulders--but look at how it drapes over the left shoulder joint so well...) Matt is correct to point out it isn't listed as a separate accessory, though, and they did list Luke's shirt and belt as such so...

I'm holding out that it's removable. From nothing other than my own sheer willpower, if necessary.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Diddly on August 4, 2004, 09:58 PM
Sweet! I was judging by the pic (Just skimmed through the describing paragraph), and it appeared as if he didn't have articulated knees.

As for the bandolier, I'm HOPING that it will be removeable, but I guess we'll have to wait until October to see....
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on August 5, 2004, 12:01 PM
Many of you may have already seen this, but I noticed that the Jedi Temple Archives visual guides have some pics up of the VOTC Yoda and Vader, providing some different views that we haven't seen before.  Looks like Vader's "chain" sure sticks out in that side view :).  Kind of digging the cloth on the Yoda, for the vintage/nostalgic aspect, but it does look slightly bulky too...but not too bad.  Anyways, you can check out the pics HERE (http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/otc/) under the "retro collection" section on the right hand side, at the top.  Really looking forward to these figures.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on August 5, 2004, 02:43 PM
Looks like Vader's "chain" sure sticks out in that side view :).

Whoa, that thing looks a little freakish. I'm sure it can be trained to hang better. I'm really impressed with how much flow and folding is happening with the cape in the rear view shot. Very nice.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Vator on August 5, 2004, 03:07 PM
Fear not, as mentioned in another thread, the chain will and does hang.

I must say I am a tad jealous of that ones cape. Wish mine would behave like that...
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on August 5, 2004, 03:32 PM
Just saw that too, thanks for posting.  It sounds like he has a pop-up sensorscope and removable middle leg in addition to the other plug in gadgets.  Nice to see that make a return.  As I think someone said earlier, these ROTJ cards don't look quite the same as the originals.  I know that they aren't exactly copies, but I notice it in the logo.  Anyways, we've now seen them all, featured at Hasbro's site.  Too bad this line isn't going a wave or two further ;).
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Diddly on August 5, 2004, 03:36 PM
R2 sounds pretty good, better than what we saw at SDCC. Sounds like he'll be an "Ultimate" R2, but I still think Bar2 will be superior.

BTW, is the VOTC R2 electronic? ???
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: DSJ™ on August 5, 2004, 04:36 PM
BTW, is the VOTC R2 electronic? ???

From the looks of it, I don't think so.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: JediMAC on August 5, 2004, 04:47 PM
(http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/images/news/85270.jpg)

What's odd, is there's no mention of, or picture of, any pop-up (or add-on) scensorscope, though I'd assume that it has to be a part of this figure, since that's what's shown on the package, plus, it's one of R2's more important gadgets...

What's kinda lame is that he's on a ROTJ card, but the pic is from ESB.  Oh well...

I like the idea of the vac-metallized dome.  Definitely a wise move there.  The removable third leg is an interesting idea.  First time that's happened.  It's usually just retractable, though the lack of 100% retraction has always bugged me on prior R2 figures.  So maybe this will be the best of both worlds finally.

I hope the front panels, when in place, look seemless, and not like they've been stuck on there later to cover something up.  If they blend well with the rest of the body, and offer the additional feature of opening/being removed to put the various gadgets in place, this could really turn into a nice droid.  Doesn't mention if he's got the articulated ankle joints on his two legs, though I'd assume he must.  The lack of mention of any electronics though, I think it's safe to say, IS indicative of the fact that there are none.  Oh well...

Also surprised to hear Hasbro created this one from scratch, but that's perfectly cool with me!
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on August 5, 2004, 05:34 PM
This actually sounds like a good figure! I was particularly worried about the middle leg being stuck extended all the time. Having it removeable does sound like a decent idea.

Matt, I think when they mentioned the retractable sensorscope, they were talking about the dome being the same design as the vintage R2 with extendable sensorscope.

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The new Artoo directly replicates the original’s head-click mechanism with pop-up sensorscope

Its worded kind of oddly, but I don't think this figure has the sensorscope. Since I've seen no indication of a sensorscope, what I think Hasbro meant is...

"The new artoo directly replicates the head click mechanism of the vintage r2 (the one with the sensorscope)".
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: JediMAC on August 5, 2004, 06:35 PM
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The new Artoo directly replicates the original’s head-click mechanism with pop-up sensorscope

Whoops, I think I did indeed miss that particular part, Ed.  Duh!  Thanks for the heads up.  Looks like R2 will come with his trusty scensorscope after all...  Cool.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on August 5, 2004, 07:38 PM
Hmmm, I still read that as indicating that it does come with the sensorscope, but it is worded quite poorly. I guess we won't really know until someone can crack one open. It sure would make sense to have it.

I'm actually fairly impressed with this guy, for being R2. I like the switchable panels best of all since that's a first. Being able to use him in a display in either three leg or two leg mode, with those panels open or closed, makes him seem like a pretty well-rounded figure.

Ten bucks cool? Round and round we can go on that.  8)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on August 5, 2004, 08:16 PM
Hmmm...I may be the bearer of Bad news...

Dear Customer,
Thank you for your e-mail. We sincerely apologize for the
inconvenience. Unfortunately the vendor is no longer able supply us with wave 1. We would be happy to send you wave 2 instead as it has the same figures as wave 1 plus four more. Please let us know how you would like to
proceed.

Sincerely,
Lauren
Customer Service
StarWarsShop.com

I'm wondering if all e-tail is getting screwed???????? >:(
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on August 5, 2004, 09:53 PM
I've got a feeling they did. I just cancelled Waves 1 & 2 with EE since there's no sign of them, and regular OTC seems flowing to them - they got 2 new waves in stock today.

But since the casepack ratios went all stupid from Hasbro it's not that big of a loss, really. It's probably easier to track them down in stores at this point than deal with not enough of one figure and too many of another in the lame case breakdown.

Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Morgbug on August 6, 2004, 01:04 PM

I'm wondering if all e-tail is getting screwed???????? >:(

For me that wouldn't be an all bad thing.  I went with BBTS on this stuff because of better shipping to Canada.  Haven't seen anything yet, presumably because they were screwed on the Luke figure, like everyone else.  When they put up their next set of preorders (8 figures, then the last four plus an additional Vader and Lando) I ordered those too.  Having picked up Ben, Han and Leia locally, I was contemplating cancelling the first four figures but didn't, mostly because I have an order out there for Jim as well.  So maybe bad for Jim, but ok for me.  

It means I won't have to try and unload the extras (I only want two sets) and JuvyD picked me up the second Luke I was to need in the event the first round was cancelled.  Bad news, but for once, ordering too much crap may cover my butt.  Unlike owning 8 Saga Tie Pilots ::)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: jadesfire on August 6, 2004, 02:42 PM
I emailed EE and will post whatever they reply with.  Sucks for me as I passed when I saw Han and Obi-wan because I had them on order.  They are now long-gone so I'm hoping for positive news.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on August 6, 2004, 05:34 PM
As of today, I saw both Han and Obi at stores around my neck of the woods Beth so if need be give me a hollar.  They hit en masse this week at Wal-Mart stores and Targets.  They've subsequently sold well too as Han's disappearing some and Ben's around.  Leia's so-so.  The Han does move quick.

I got the first one I saw today for my 2nd Han, but saw him twice more.  He was just lesser than the others.

I STILL have no Luke.  And with the Bespin wave showing up I'm a little nervous on Luke since I actually like that figure as opposed to lots of other people.

Then again I love this line overall.  Even Ben I think is the best old Ben there is.

Anyway, shoot a PM over if you wind up stuck Beth and I'm sure myself and anyone else will help if we can.  I still owe you one anyway.  :)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: JediMAC on August 6, 2004, 05:45 PM
I emailed EE and will post whatever they reply with.  Sucks for me as I passed when I saw Han and Obi-wan because I had them on order.  They are now long-gone so I'm hoping for positive news.

Beth, since I'm sending you a package this weekend anyway, with your SDCC loot, I'd be happy to toss in any of those 3 VOTC figures (Han, Leia, Ben).  I've got some extras of each at home (they're $10.81 each with tax), and can easily include them with your other stuff, so LMK!   :-*
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: jadesfire on August 6, 2004, 06:51 PM
Thanks Matt, I sent you a pm.  EE stated in their response that they are expecting their order and have not heard anything about it being cancelled.  I'll hold out hope that all e-tailers will not suffer the same news as sws.com.  

Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on August 6, 2004, 07:37 PM
Found Luke, Vader and Yoda at the local TRU after stopping at every TRU, Wal Mart and Target from Des Moines to home, I find them 2 blocks from my house

Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: JediMAC on August 6, 2004, 07:42 PM
Lucky bastard!   >:(

(that's news, ya' know...)  I see you're way ahead of me.   ;)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on August 6, 2004, 08:13 PM
Yeah man, I went on the search for a Luke today and came up empty-handed.  :(

Scott goes out and the heavens open up...  Traffic probably parts like the Red Sea, and he just gets what's brand new.  Dammit!

:)

Not only Luke, but Vader and Yoda?  Double Dammit!
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on August 6, 2004, 08:36 PM
Found Luke, Vader and Yoda at the local TRU

Is Hasbro packing these in cases with Saga Watto and the Preview Zam Wessel? Because if they aren't, my TRU's aren't interested in them. Their idea of vintage figures is a crapload of stuff from 2002 at full retail price.

EDIT: Sorry, what I meant to say was congratulations and finding something new. I'm just a little pissed since I just got burned on an OTC case purchase and I must vent my hate into the 'net.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on August 9, 2004, 12:28 AM
Not real high on the chain on Vader...and I would have prefered ball/socket elbows over the cut versions, just would have made him more poseable.  The cape though is sweet and the rest of the detail is amazing, its another close but not quite there efforts which seem to be the norm for the VOTC :-[
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on August 9, 2004, 09:16 AM
Congrats on the finds Scott, really looking forward to both of those figures (Vader/Yoda)...well, and Luke for that matter.  I checked TRU a couple of times this weekend after reading your finds, but the one here in town doesn't even have a peg for the VOTC anymore.  In fact, there doesn't seem to be any actual "figures" from the OTC/VOTC in town anymore.  Everything else (Jedi Council sets, Falcon, X-Wing, TIE, Vader's TIE, buddies) have shown up (and seem to keep sitting), but otherwise its been bought up and not replaced.  Hopefully we'll start seeing more and more of this stuff soon though.

Oh...and I was wondering, what do you think of the Yoda?  Best ever (modern) or do you prefer the OTC Dagobah version (or a different one) to this one?  Just curious, congrats again on the finds!
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on August 9, 2004, 03:47 PM
I see that GH has a report that the VOTC Vader and Yoda have now been spotted at a Target in Arizona.  Good to hear these are showing up in more places.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on August 9, 2004, 03:50 PM
Hmm, Yoda is a tough one, I like the robe but like Obi-Wan its a bit poofy, both of them bug me due to Hasbro's inability to grasp color and style.  Not sure if this is because of the current SW style guide slick sheets saying that Yoda has to be this color green or what it is.  Its a nice figure too, the whole just there aspect of all of them bug me
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on August 9, 2004, 04:15 PM
I agree Scott, the color hasn't ever seemed quite right on Yoda...and the facial sculpt has always been a little less than I would think they are capable of since he is an "alien", which are sometimes easier to nail than human sculpts.  Still looking forward to finding that figure though.

I see that Galactic Hunter has a feature up on a VOTC R2-D2 PROTOTYPE (http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/templates/full_article_template_1.asp?articleid=3206&zoneid=2), which does in fact show the sensorscope.  Nice to see this included on our favorite astromech.  Click the above linky for more pics.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on August 9, 2004, 04:23 PM
So, R2 definately has a saw, probe, scope, AND removable third leg?  Too friggin sweet.

 8)

Jeff
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on August 9, 2004, 07:48 PM
I'm torn on Yoda myself...

It looks definitive, and I like the softgoods, but if it's really puffy, I dunno.  

With Dagobah Yoda coming out at the same time, he's a REALLY tough figure to surpass.  It is, probably, as good a Yoda as you can get without getting one with awesome softgoods.  

I'm torn.   :-\

I nabbed Luke today.  Freaky figure.  I'm digging the ball/socket hips.  A first and really something I'd love to see down the road on other figures (anyone on a speederbike, namely), and I dig the bare arms.  Best bare arm fodder available.

The torso's oddlly sculpted, but it really didn't need to be.  That's disappointing.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Diddly on August 9, 2004, 08:25 PM
Found the Luke today as well. Haven't opened it yet, as some other figs from Alliance Collectibles came, but I'll share my thoughts soon.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on August 10, 2004, 01:01 AM
I nabbed Luke today.  Freaky figure.  I'm digging the ball/socket hips.  A first and really something I'd love to see down the road on other figures (anyone on a speederbike, namely), and I dig the bare arms.  Best bare arm fodder available.

The torso's oddlly sculpted, but it really didn't need to be.  That's disappointing.

He is pretty tough to make a call on, isn't he? I agree that leg articulation is a great addition. How perfect would an Endor Luke and Leia be with that posability and soft goods ponchos? I'm also thrilled to finally have an ANH Luke that can hold a lightsaber with both hands. There's lots of good going on there.

But the bad parts really detract in a big way. What bothers me more than anything is his height. Put him next to the other ANH VOTC figures and he's tiny. Not just a little, but substantially shorter in comparison. When you also factor in the puffy soft goods, it makes him seem even more awkward. A close second is the headsculpt, which is a step back from the Xwing Luke in likeness, and a 2-tone paint app on the hair was really needed.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on August 10, 2004, 01:11 AM
I agree.

For every plus Luke has, there's a negative.  It acutally seems that Ben's more "winner" than Luke overall.

The thing about Luke is that there's such a slew of him in this outfit, he's somewhat passable as at least different.

Still, I'd rather have seen:

-Sculpted Shirt...  I don't get Hasbro's DESIRE to articulate his torso like this really, and the coat's so rigid on him that the torso's only cool with the shirt off.  This is an instance I wholeheartedly think Hasbro went overboard with softgoods.

-Improved Height...  TOTALLY agree here.  I've seen people mention his height being accurate, but I think Hammil's about 5'8" or so?  Unsure exactly, but he's definitely not this small.  He's short though...  But this figure's a washout.  So is Pilot Luke in height.

PERFECT Luke height is Saga Jabba's Palace Luke.  In comparison, this LUke's a good half a head + shorter, and in 3.75" terms that means a LOTTA midget going on.

-Better Headsculpt...  I think, had this figure seen all the above improvements, that he'd not be bad enough to warrant a complaint on the head, but at this point he is.

-Personal Beef...  Notice the part of his lower torso with a ridge?  I'm really not sure what the deal is, but his torso below his waist is pretty ugly.  A nicely sculpted piece here would've really helped the torso look a lot better in my opinion.  Minor, under the shirt, but important to me.  With him being shirtless and all...  Or the option there.

Some great pluses though...

The leg articulation, and really the articulation overall, are outstanding.  Equaled by Han so far only.

The ball/socket hip though, indeed, would rock on a biker scout, Endor Leia, Endor Luke, EU Rebel Biker Scout (just throwing in a personal want), Dooku on Bike, Anakin on Swoop, etc...

Great figure possibiliites, and Hasbro's now gone the extra mile and proven they CAN ball/socket a hip joint without it looking like a G.I. Joe.  NO Company has done that this well in this scale.  To that end, my hats off to the innovator there.

I personally (tooting my own horn) was pondering this EXACT execution for customizing.  They need only have the post, on the inside, have a rounded edge so it's a little more "fluid" when posed.  It kind of locks into place now as it is, which his awkward when posting him.

Again, this articulation boggles my mind why they even did it, but they did it better than one could have even hoped for.

Too bad the SA Clone and other figures in VOTC DON'T have this joint too.  It's amazing.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on August 10, 2004, 01:54 AM
I completely agree that the torso articulation really isn't necessary. Though I don't go in for soft goods in general, I do see that it opened up some good benefits to the figure. That socketed hip deal probably wouldn't work as well if restricted by plastic, and the bare arms under the sleeves is a neat effect. Plus, the removable belt is nifty and I think benefited in detail/paint since it was seperate.

I wonder if that ridge on his torso is to help prevent the removable belt from riding up? That's my theory.

If he wasn't so short I'd be much more thrilled with the figure. I think the height adjustment would help the current SG shirt to look like it fits better. You just loose the impression he has a neck. His massive head just sort of rides on the collar of his shirt.

Either way, yeah, the articulation is outstanding, and for once, innovative! It's more ammunition for when they slack off and don't use it on future figures.

I'd never have guessed once I got these in my hands I'd call Obi a winner, either. I think Leia helped quite a bit there. For every advance or new idea they've tried on the other three, they've blown it with her. She's problems from top to bottom (maybe appropriate since Carrie Fisher circa the 80's was too).  ;)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on August 10, 2004, 01:59 AM
Now I actually like Leia.  She's my favorite behind Han only so far...  I think the likeness is as close as any ANH Leia, and the articulation looks good.  She's not "great", but properly scaled and all.  

Han, to me, is the only clear winner in the first series unfortunately.  He's the only one I can't find any real complaints about.

Leia's missing gun, footholes, and the articulation being slightly lacking were my gripes on her.

Obi's artiuclation, hood, and sculpt all kinda bit to me, but he's doable as an Obi in a speeder.  That's good I guess.

Luke's, to me, like Obi.  Cool ideas and bad execution.

I'm surprised how many don't like Leia...  I think she's as good as we'll probably get of her in this outfit. :(
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Diddly on August 10, 2004, 02:24 AM
I'm agreeing with all of you here. The Luke has good ideas, but they lack badly. The lower body of Luke is GREAT, but the upper body leaves a lot to be desired.

Here's how I rank the ANH Figs:

1. Han
2. Leia
3. Luke
4. Obi-Wan
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on August 10, 2004, 10:05 AM
Yeah, I think you're on the money there, Diddly Squat. I like Leia, the scale is perfect, she looks like a female, and there's enough articulation to put her in a couple different poses. I just wish she had her blaster.

Obi Wan isn't bad, he just needs a little posing. granted, his articulation is hardly "more than I ever imagined", but he can nail the ANH sacrifice pose perfectly, even putting his head down slightly. It almost makes me want to buy another to get rid of his eyes to make them seem closed.

One thing I've noticed about soft goods, is that they're always really stiff when they're right out of the package. Try soaking them and even washing them with detergent. It can sometimes loosen the fabric a bit. When you're posing the soft goods on the figure (while still damp), give it a few squirts of hairspray to hold the shape you want a bit more.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Diddly on August 10, 2004, 09:08 PM
I see Hasbro is still using cheap materials for the accessories.  ::)

I was fooling around with the Luke, and when I put the lightsaber in his hand, WHAM! A giant piece of the black at the bottom of the Saber flew off. I managed to catch most of it and glue it back on, but the Saber still has a small piece of Clear Blue where the black should be.  >:(

EDIT: Either that, or it's because the Lightsaber is too big for Luke's hands.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on August 10, 2004, 11:28 PM
I've found the guns to be pretty rigid in cmparison to others actually.  Han's didn't pull as much detail as the Cantina's, but the 2-pack Han's gun (virtually identical, with only minor differences in the sculpt) is far more detailed than both and a really rigid plastic.  Go figure.

Leia's stormie blaster's rather nice thugh...  As rigid as any ofo those things are.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on August 13, 2004, 12:07 AM
Found Luke, Vader and Yoda at the local TRU after stopping at every TRU, Wal Mart and Target from Des Moines to home, I find them 2 blocks from my house

So, how are you liking that Vader? I tracked him down today, cracked one open, and am actually pretty thrilled. For me, the chain behaves itself. It seems to stay down regardless of how you position the head, so I guess I got lucky. I'm happy to get a Vader that I can pose on one knee in a convincing Emperor communication pose.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on August 13, 2004, 02:52 PM
I posted my Thoughts? a few days ago...here they are again

Not real high on the chain on Vader...and I would have prefered ball/socket elbows over the cut versions, just would have made him more poseable.  The cape though is sweet and the rest of the detail is amazing, its another close but not quite there efforts which seem to be the norm for the VOTC :-[
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on August 13, 2004, 09:46 PM
I posted my Thoughts? a few days ago...here they are again

So much for my reading skills... missed that. Oops.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on August 15, 2004, 04:10 PM
I've seen 3 Yodas now and every single one of them has had some serious card creasing.  Vader seems to be fine and most of the Lukes I have seen are also OK, Yoda though seems to be in bad shape.  Read some reports at RS saying the same thing. Anyone else see this?
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on August 16, 2004, 11:16 AM
Haven't seen any Yoda or Vader, so I wouldn't know about creases   :'(

Jeff
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: jokabofe on August 16, 2004, 07:07 PM
i didn't notice at toys r us, but i went and looked at the figures i picked up the other day. sure enough, both of the yodas have a crease that runs down the back of the card, from about halfway up to the bottom, on the side where the bubble is attached.

dammit.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on August 17, 2004, 12:32 AM
Two new Wave 3 assortments added to EE today:

Rev2 (http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HS85213C2)
2x Boba Fett - Return of the Jedi, 1x R2-D2 - Return of the Jedi, 1x Chewbacca - Return of the Jedi, 1x Stormtrooper - Return of the Jedi (NEW), 1x Yoda - Empire Strikes Back, 1x C-3P0 - Empire Strikes Back, 1x Obi-Wan Kenobi - A New Hope.

(obviously the one all stores will order... 1 Stormtrooper.  ::) )

Rev3 (http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HS85213C3)
1x Boba Fett - Return of the Jedi, 2x Stormtrooper - Return of the Jedi, 2x Yoda - Empire Strikes Back, 1x Lando Calrissian - Empire Strikes Back, 2x Darth Vader - Empire Strikes Back

And a case with no Chewbacca or R2. ::) That means to date, those two figures never appear in any assortment at more than 1 per case.

Bite me, Hasbro!
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: jokabofe on August 17, 2004, 12:36 AM
Rev2 (http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HS85213C2)
2x Boba Fett - Return of the Jedi, 1x R2-D2 - Return of the Jedi, 1x Chewbacca - Return of the Jedi, 1x Stormtrooper - Return of the Jedi (NEW), 1x Yoda - Empire Strikes Back, 1x C-3P0 - Empire Strikes Back, 1x Obi-Wan Kenobi - A New Hope.

what? this could have been so simple. why are they throwing obi wan kenobi and yoda in this case? why??

4 figures per assortment (anh, esb, rotj). 8 figures per case. do the friggin math hasbro. do the math. absolutely incredible. if it wasn't so frustrating, it'd be funny.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on August 17, 2004, 12:59 AM
I could be more understanding of these dumb mixes IF there was in fact an even 2/2/2/2 breakdown for each movie, and then they did these weird refresh cases. It makes sense to refresh the older figures here and there, but COME ON. They can't even argue that some certain figures are late in production. These f'ed up assortments ship a month after the initial Wave 3 case. They are complete f**ktards.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on August 17, 2004, 02:11 AM
Can't say much more than Jared did.

Very stupid, and I agree that the Stormie's gonna be short-packed.  You know it...  I know it...  The American People know it...

Hasbro:  Slappin' consumers in the face with their collective sack one figure at a time.
Title: Re: VOTC/OTC Purchases
Post by: Scott on August 17, 2004, 10:11 AM
Hmm with that nutslap I plan on buying my second R2 and Chewie at Retail, these have all been suprisingly easy to find
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jesse James on August 17, 2004, 05:42 PM
I'm still searching for Yoda and Vader.   :-\

Rest of the world isn't like Pitt on these.  THey're selling out here except for 2 to 3 straglers of the original wave.  And I too am now seeing Han mre than the others.  I'm unclear why unless he's seen a better shipment than Ben and Leia.

Love them, just worried about finding 5 stormtroopers, 2 fetts, 2 chewies, 2 Vaders, 2 Yodas, 2 Landos, and one of each of the others. 
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on August 17, 2004, 07:50 PM
Yeah, they seem to be really moving here in SoCal, too. This last week the wave 2 (Yoda, Vader, Han, Luke) seemed to hit every TRU almost simultaneously. You could see the aftermath because all that would be left were Hans. Then, a couple days later, even he sold out. And, of course, they haven't refreshed their stock. Also, the TRUs here never stocked any wave 1 to begin with.

I'm also worried that if this pattern continues, there's going to be no way everyone is going to get their hands on enough of the 1 per case Jedi figures.  >:(
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Ben on August 17, 2004, 09:26 PM
Makes me glad I can't find 'em, since I really can't afford 'em anyway.

I still don't see why they couldn't ship 2x of each character in their respective waves. I'd have bought three cases that way. But now I'm just going to buy one of each, provided I find them and can afford them.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: JediMAC on August 18, 2004, 07:13 PM
That's a very cool picture, and pose there!  Definitely nice to know you can recreate that first scene with the Holographic Emperor, assuming it doesn't get demolished by SWS.com.


Or maybe it won't...   ;)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Darby on August 18, 2004, 08:32 PM
Found the Yoda/Vader/Luke set today at TRU in Iowa, and bought Yoda, my first VOTC.  Luke and Vader looked very nice, but I'm sticking to my guns.  Or trying to...
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: SilverZ on August 20, 2004, 07:54 PM
I just noticed that EE has moved the VOTC Wave 2.5 and Wave 3 initial assortments to "pre-sold out" which sure seems like they've received allocation numbers from Hasbro, and they're close to arriving. I hope I make the cut-off, because I'm close to outright quitting the B&M hunt here in SoCal, which is a worthless, time-wasting endeavor. I don't have the patience or gas money to bother any more.

Hasbro had better be shipping A LOT more of the revised assortments or they're going to have even more people hate their guts than they already do.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: jokabofe on August 20, 2004, 08:08 PM
I just noticed that EE has moved the VOTC Wave 2.5 and Wave 3 initial assortments to "pre-sold out"

wow. that frightens me big time. recently, i've been seeing all 3 (and 1 instance of all 6) votc in stores. but that's it. never saw them before, and i doubt i'll see many more.

if these last 2 waves are gonna be as hard to find as it looks like, i'm gonna go crazy.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jeff on August 20, 2004, 08:34 PM
 >:(

Someone remind me again why the hell these aren't case packed 2x each per wave?

stupid, stupid, stupid...

Jeff
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: jokabofe on August 20, 2004, 09:21 PM
>:(

Someone remind me again why the hell these aren't case packed 2x each per wave?

stupid, stupid, stupid...

Jeff


one word: hasbro
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Ben on August 20, 2004, 10:21 PM
I think their whole 'ships only once' attitude started to scare them, so they ****** the assortments up to get the figures out.

More than likely, those Han, Leia, and Ben figures will still be sitting around when Ep. III hits, and probably after that.

Or, I'm wrong, and everybody will go nuts over these in late September. Could happen. Not bloody likely, but it could happen.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Brian on August 23, 2004, 08:24 AM
Quote
More than likely, those Han, Leia, and Ben figures will still be sitting around when Ep. III hits, and probably after that.

Or, I'm wrong, and everybody will go nuts over these in late September. Could happen. Not bloody likely, but it could happen.

That's something I was kind of wondering about too, if those initial figs (Han, Ben, Leia) would end up sitting around or not.  Checking the stores this weekend, it seems like...for some reason...that the VOTC sells out when it comes to TRU, but there are TONS of Han, Leia, and Obis hanging at Wal-Mart (which is basically right next to TRU in this particular instance).  Target usually has a couple Hans, and a couple Obis hanging, but not quite as bad as Wal-Mart.  Curious if these will start to sit, I guess if for some reason they get clearanced, its a good chance to pick more up.  Maybe the DVD push will help them sell more.  On the other side of things...I rarely see any regular OTC basic figures sitting, they are selling out wherever they show up...and selling out quickly.  Price point just might be the big sticking point on these for many people, and the "casual" collector.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Scott on August 23, 2004, 09:10 AM
I think Wal Mart at least from what I have read was the last to get them out on the pegs and as such was late to the game.

Good to hear I'll be getting both of my 2.5 cases, there is a lone VOTC C-3PO on eBay right now so we should be seeing those figures really soon
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Jim on August 23, 2004, 11:11 AM
Looks like the Vader is the one to have right now. No where to be found on the pegs.  Believe it or not 3 stores near me have had the same Lukes and Yodas for almost a week.  I wonder if the first 6 figs will be the peg warmers ???
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures
Post by: Ben on August 23, 2004, 04:35 PM
I'm sure Fett and Stormie won't warm any pegs. Chewie and R2 might, provided they even make it to retail. (I'm a bit worried about so many wave 1 figures everywhere...)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures - A New Hope
Post by: Jeff on August 25, 2004, 02:53 PM
FYI -

Due to the size of this thread, I spun off two new threads for the ESB and RoTJ waves...

The vOTC ESB wave Thread (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=5176.0)

The vOTC RotJ wave Thread (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=5181.0)

Feel free to continue discussing the ANH vOTC figures or other random vOTC topics here, as JD.com is a place where there is no "Official Thread" for anything...  ;)

Jeff
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures - A New Hope
Post by: Brian on August 25, 2004, 03:52 PM
You know...just a random comment here, and may have been mentioned before, but I don't quite understand why the VOTC Obi-Wan comes with an "old style" saber, while the Luke has the newer one with the "burst" at the base of the blade.  I believe the Vader has the newer style as well on his saber, if I remember correctly from the pictures.  Just seems strange, and inconsistent to me.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures - A New Hope
Post by: Jeff on August 25, 2004, 03:58 PM
  Just seems strange, and inconsistent to me.

What?  Hasbro did something that's strange and inconsistent?   
That's not at all like them...

:P

Jeff
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures - A New Hope
Post by: Brian on August 25, 2004, 04:01 PM
Yes.....shocking, indeed. ;)  At least its not like they short pack army building figures, or limit the release of popular items....oh wait. ::)
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures - A New Hope
Post by: Brian on September 7, 2004, 01:55 PM
Made a somewhat decent toy run this weekend (2 Targets, 2 Wal-Marts, TRU, KB), but didn't find anything new.  However, every store (except KB, which has nothing but old Saga figures) has several of the VOTC Hans.  Maybe its just because he's my favorite character (and figure), but I find it kind of sad that he is the obvious pegwarmer of the series.  It is a tremendous figure, and likeness, and probably the best Han we've ever seen....but at the stores I was at, he was the majority of the figures they had.  For example:

Toys R Us: Saga basic figures, no basic OTC figures, 5 VOTC figures - All Hans
Wal-Mart (1): No basic OTC figures, 2 Saga figures (Hoth Han), 10-15 VOTC figures - 3-4 Leias, probably 6 or so each of Obi-Wan and Han
Wal-Mart (2): No basic OTC figures (sold out), a TON of VOTC figures - a few Leias, probably 10 or more each of Luke, Han, and Obi-Wan
Target (1): 1 Basic OTC figure (Spirit Obi), 10 or so VOTC figures - 4 Obi-Wan, 6 Han
Target (2): Probably a case or so of OTC figures (Dagobah Luke, Boba Fett, Stormtrooper, Greedo, and Spirit Obi if I remember right), 5 or so VOTC figures - all Han

Anyways, just a sampling, but although I was happy to get it right away, I probably could have held off on picking up 2 VOTC Han Solos.  I could easily find them around town now, and there is probably a chance they'll go on clearance.  Its too bad really, for a great figure.  Then again, getting them at clearance prices would be nice, even though I already have two.  Its not just Han that is hanging around, I could have bought 5 or more of each of the ANH figures this weekend...but Han is just the worst offender.  I don't know that we will see this with the other waves (no signs of them around here).  I think the ANH wave might be the most "boring" to casual buyers and/or kids.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures - A New Hope
Post by: Scott on September 7, 2004, 02:08 PM
Han is making a case for Pegwarmer of the Year right now, especially since he is shipping a bunch more...AND he's available for $5 right next to the $10 version...

He'll be on clearance come January
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures - A New Hope
Post by: Vator on September 7, 2004, 02:11 PM
Which still boggles the mind since he rules the ANH collection in every sense of the word...
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures - A New Hope
Post by: SilverZ on September 7, 2004, 04:13 PM
Han is making a case for Pegwarmer of the Year right now, especially since he is shipping a bunch more...AND he's available for $5 right next to the $10 version...

Interesting, he's certainly not pegwarming here. He's more like, "available". He lingers longer than the other ANH figures, but most stores still sell through those within a week, and that's not too bad considering he's been shipped in far more abundance than any of the other VOTC.
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures - A New Hope
Post by: Scott on September 7, 2004, 04:15 PM
There are at least 5 at most stores I go to, some have more, Ben is #2 by far, the others though sell really fast
Title: Re: Vintage OTC Figures - A New Hope
Post by: Morgbug on September 7, 2004, 09:19 PM
That is consistent with what I saw at the North Dakota stores.  The supertarget had no less than 12 Han and nada else.  Ben ranked number two.  I did see a few Leia, an occasional Luke, a couple of Yoda and one Vader who happily rests not 5 feet from me.