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Community => JD Sports Forum! => Topic started by: McMetal on September 6, 2013, 09:04 AM
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Let's light this candle. :D
Peyton Manning is pretty good.
Wes Welker should not be back there catching punts. (Good hands or not, in jury risk is too great)
You would not know Baltimore even had 2 starting safeties based on the # of times their names were called last night. Elam was practically invisible out there. They miss Ed Reed.
A lot of FF owners are putting in waiver claims for Julius Thomas this morning. Myself included.
Yay! Football is back!
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Denver put on a pretty incredible show in the second half. Count me among those who thought Manning would be good, but not great this year. 7 TDs? If Manning averages just 2.5 TDs per game the rest of the year he'll reach 45 touchdowns. That's amazing. Agree with you on Welker - I don't know why they're risking him that way. Hell, put Decker back there and maybe he can do something productive.
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AFC north lol
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Congrats to the Dallas Cowboys for FINALLY defeating the Giants at their new stadium. Only took four years. ::)
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Lots of great games yesterday with crummy outcomes. Packers lost to the 49ers - no surprise, but the incorrect replay of 3rd down mistake by the officals could have been a difference maker. Bucs and Seahawks looked terrible on offense. The Bears and Lions actually looked good and are tied for first now - unbelievable. The Sunday night game was the worst, with D. Wilson not only stuffed, but losing the rock twice and getting benched. What an ugly week 1.
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Seriously, that Cowboys/Giants game was one of the most atrocious displays of football I have ever seen. I've watched preseason games that looked crisper. And please stop with the sideline shots of mopey puppy David Wilson. Waah.
What was with all the safeties? They were like 5 in the early games.
So glad I drafted CJ Spiller with my first pick in Fantasy Draft this year...NOT.
Clay Matthews needs to check himself when it comes to read-option QB's. Dude runs his mouth before the game of course they're going to throw the flag. That was egregious. Just play defense and quit obsessing over roughing up the QB every play. Hope he figures that out before next week. Some O-lineman is going to kill him.
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I've noticed some teams including the Packers and Ravens seem to be hitting players on the ground or as they are going to the ground...sure that is being agressive but I think they are taking advantage of the fact to get a few more hits on the ball carrier
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I've noticed some teams including the Packers and Ravens seem to be hitting players on the ground or as they are going to the ground...sure that is being agressive but I think they are taking advantage of the fact to get a few more hits on the ball carrier
So you're saying there's a chance that the Pack will do us a favor and take out Ponder? Don't get me wrong, I'm not cheering for a potential career ending injury... but maybe a nice sprained finger or something that knocks him out just long enough for Cassel to win the starting job for the rest of the year would be nice.
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I've noticed some teams including the Packers and Ravens seem to be hitting players on the ground or as they are going to the ground...sure that is being agressive but I think they are taking advantage of the fact to get a few more hits on the ball carrier
Yeah, the Packers play dirty and pretty much every hit or touch is illegal. Meanwhile, I can't help but notice that the Viking players are being extra gentle with their opponents this year. ::)
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I'm not alone Justin, it was brought up in the telecast of both of their games...in fact they showed 49ers Harbaugh talking to refs about it before the game.
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I'm not alone Justin, it was brought up in the telecast of both of their games...in fact they showed 49ers Harbaugh talking to refs about it before the game.
Scott, you are easily the most biased anti-Packer basher I have ever met. What do you mean by "both games?" They've only played one so far. I absolutely thought that the dumb Clay Matthews late hit on Kaepernick was dirty, but that's the only example I recall seeing in the game. Harbaugh referred to it happening before the game? Is he psychic? Lord knows Harbaugh is a total saint who rarely complains or whines about anything. ::) I watch the Packers pretty closely and haven't seen anyone hitting players on the ground or getting extra hits on ball carriers.
I did, however, see Rey Maualuga drag a Bears player down by his facemask on Sunday, costing the Bengals the game. I also saw Lavonte David smack Geno Smith out of bounds, also drawing the flag and costing his team the game. I even saw Ndamukong Suh dive for Sulivan's knees, which he will hopefully be fined like all hell for. But none of those guys are on the Packers, or the Ravens for that matter. The point is, it's dishonest and biased to infer the Packers are placing dirty hits just because you don't like them.
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Maybe the Packers are playing dirty because at the end of the game, their uniforms are, you know, dirty. ;D
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Harbaugh referred to it happening before the game? Is he psychic?
I don't think he needed to be psychic because the Packers were pretty vocal about wanting to take advantage of the rules changes last week. Leading up to the game, Clay Matthews said "When these quarterbacks carry out the fakes, they lose their right as a quarterback, a pocket-passing quarterback, the protection of a quarterback,” Matthews, in his radio interview, said he was told. “So you want to put hits as early and often on the quarterback and make them uncomfortable. (http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-1/Mike-McCarthy-clarifies-rule-on-hitting-option-QB/a6ffdede-ff6a-4675-8e6d-f2d4c4b7bc89)".
It was pretty obvious that their gameplan was to hit Kaepernick as much as they could under the new rules. I don't think it was all dirty, but like Scott said I think they (and the Ravens) took advantage of the rule change to get in more hits on the QBs when they could.
I even saw Ndamukong Suh dive for Sulivan's knees, which he will hopefully be fined like all hell for.
Looks like $100k (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9658836/ndamukong-suh-detroit-lions-fined-100k-block).
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I'm not alone Justin, it was brought up in the telecast of both of their games...in fact they showed 49ers Harbaugh talking to refs about it before the game.
Scott, you are easily the most biased anti-Packer basher I have ever met. What do you mean by "both games?"
I watched the Ravens/Broncos and Packers/49ers besides the Vikes/Lions and I was referring to those two as "both games". Granted I saw the Suh hit but I didn't see either team blatently hitting players on the ground or going to the ground as the Packers and Ravens did.
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It was pretty obvious that their gameplan was to hit Kaepernick as much as they could under the new rules. I don't think it was all dirty, but like Scott said I think they (and the Ravens) took advantage of the rule change to get in more hits on the QBs when they could.
I guess I don't see anything wrong with the Matthews quote. Every defense in the league is gunning to hit their opponent's QB if the opportunity presents itself. Running QBs are more at risk for taking hits now and Matthews is just vocalizing that. I think there's a world of difference between wanting to lay more hits on the QB and "hitting players on the ground or as they are going to the ground." I watched the Broncos and Packers games and it sure didn't stand out to me. I would think if it was realy that obvious there would be some flags thrown or at least some net chatter about it - I can't find a single mention of it in google.
Nice to see Suh fined heavily, but I'm not convinced that's enough to matter to him. Doesn't he make like $12M per year? That's the equivalent of about $800 for someone with a $100k salary...still doesn't seem like enough. I'd like to see game suspensions for these repeat offenders with no pay.
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The problem is that you should not be allowed to hit the QB if he does not have the ball. The NFL Refs inexplicably green-lighted this last week for some reason. The onus is now on the QB to clearly show he does not have the ball in that scenario, which should be the defender's responsiblity to figure it out.
While I agree that hitting the QB has always been a basic tenet of pro football, this latest round of talk sounds like it is going a little too far. The NFL should realize that the star QB is their cash cow, and you can't just declare open season on those guys because of the advent of the read-option.
If the refs want to change the interpretation of the rules to mute the impact of new offensive schemes, I really look forward to seeing what they come up with for the Eagles. That was some Arena league stuff there.
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I don't know how you can keep making rules that put the onus on when defenders can and cannot defend though. If the QB is trying to fake having the ball or is at the wrong angle to the defender, is it really fair to make the defender figure that out before touching him? Everyone else out there is fair game for a hit...I get that the QB is critical to the team, but I'm not sure I agree with all these special privileges. It's like we're back at the Revolutionary War, where you weren't supposed to shoot any commanding officers - just troops.
On a similar topic, I wish the NFL would change their absurd policy on receiving TDs (AKA the "We Hate Calvin Johnson Rule"). It makes no sense to me that a wideout can catch the ball flying into the endzone, with clear possession, landing several feet inside the line, but the ball touching the ground negates the score. Then at the same time, any player running with the ball just has to get the very tip of the ball across the very top of the white line or barely touch the orange cone to get the TD. Be consistent NFL. That Detroit game was a perfect example of why this needs to change. Calvin clearly has possession flying into the endzone, but gets no score. Joique Bell barely makes it to the stripe before the ball is knocked out to a Viking, but that's 6pts for the Lions? Ridiculous.
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Bad call ref :o
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No ****. That was awful.
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New 2013 rules state that you can now fully mug a player if it's the last play of the game. ::) Patriots got robbed last night.
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New 2012 rules state that you can now fully mug a player if it's the last play of the game. ::) Packers got robbed last night.
Fixed that for you... Remember that one against Seattle?
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New 2012 rules state that you can now fully mug a player if it's the last play of the game. ::) Packers got robbed last night.
Fixed that for you... Remember that one against Seattle?
Yeah, and that was with those horrible replacement refs. Good thing we got the regular refs back. :o
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New 2012 rules state that you can now fully mug a player if it's the last play of the game. ::) Packers got robbed last night.
Fixed that for you... Remember that one against Seattle?
Yeah, and that was with those horrible replacement refs. Good thing we got the regular refs back. :o
That established the rule that if you catch the guy who catches the ball, than it's a catch!
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What a comeback tonightfor the pats
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I think that last night should put to be the "who is better?" conversation to bed, but it won't. Manning gets the respect from the league that Brady deserves.
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How does that game settle who is better? The only reason the Pats won it is because of a goofy special teams mistake on a punt near the end of overtime. That game was headed for a tie, which tells me these two are pretty evenly matched. Just like the Packers and Vikings are equally craptastic right now.
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??? Did you watch the game? The Bronco's defense was responsible for most of the early lead they had (fumble returned for a TD, strip sack putting them in position for a TD). Then for around 40 or more minutes of the game until that last TD drive it was like Manning wasn't there. Brady on the other hand had a fantastic second half. Look at the game stats. Brady rose to the occasion, Manning folded. If we want to say it was a goofy play that won NE the game the obvious counter is that there would have been no OT if not for a goofy 1st quarter.
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??? Did you watch the game? The Bronco's defense was responsible for most of the early lead they had (fumble returned for a TD, strip sack putting them in position for a TD). Then for around 40 or more minutes of the game until that last TD drive it was like Manning wasn't there. Brady on the other hand had a fantastic second half. Look at the game stats. Brady rose to the occasion, Manning folded. If we want to say it was a goofy play that won NE the game the obvious counter is that there would have been no OT if not for a goofy 1st quarter.
How can you compare one messed up play that directly lead to an overtime win to an entire first quarter full of plays? ??? I watched the game and I think you're oversimplifying the result. Here's what I saw:
#1 - Brady had a lousy first half, unable to even lead his team to a field goal in the first 30. Manning didn't have a stellar first half either, but the offense scored three times and he threw a TD pass, unlike Brady.
#2 - Belichick's M.O. is taking away the top strength of whoever he faces. He always sacrifices some aspect of the game to diminish the threat elsewhere. Last night he focused on stopping Manning. There's a reason Knowshon Moreno had a career 224 rushing yards and it isn't that Moreno is the next AP.
#3 - Tout the Denver defense all you like - Manning had his share of disadvantages as well. As I recall, Brady was back at full strength with all his weapons, while Manning had to play without last minute scratch J. Thomas, one of the top TEs in the league.
#4 - The last 6 drives prior to the overtime win were punts (3 for each team). That doesn't speak domination, that speaks parity. Neither team was going anywhere with the ball, so if that punt recovery hadn't fallen into the Patriots lap, there's no doubt in my mind that the game would have ended in a tie.
As for respect, I sure haven't seen Manning glorified any more or less than Brady. Manning is out there more because he's more active with endorsements and conversational. Brady and the rest of the Pats never really offer much up, just like MT's interview with him after the game. I recall at the start of the season though that Brady was ranked #1 headed into the year despite having practically no receiving weapons at all. Sounds like pretty good street cred to me. I'd argue that A. Rodgers gets way less respect than either of these guys, but just look at how the Packers have completely folded without him over the last month.
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Watching the snow fall at the Lions - Eagles and Vikings - Ravens games right now. Damn, I love watching football in the snow!!!!!!!!!
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Watching the snow fall at the Lions - Eagles and Vikings - Ravens games right now. Damn, I love watching football in the snow!!!!!!!!!
I think it's a farce. This is not professional football (yes I know you could say the Vikings haven't played professional football all year).
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I like the fact that weather conditions affect the game. Football has always been an all-weather sport, and the varying conditions make it that much more interesting to me. What about when high winds affect the passing game and kicking game? Personally, I don't see the sense in coddling these professional athletes with a perfect climate.
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I don't look at it as coddling. I look at it as playing the game in conditions that make it still the sport it is. That being said, I don't think the NFL has a choice so it is what it is. Obviously they can't play the game later in the week.
How horrible is it going to be if the Super Bowl is played in these conditions this year? I think it would be an embarrassment.
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Just wanted to say I thought Samuel Jackson did a great job playing Rob Gronkowski is "Unbreakable".
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Now tonight it's the #1 defense Carolina Panthers vs the Saints, this will be a great game and then they play again in two weeks!
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I think that the league can expect more injuries like Gronk's as the trade off for taking away head injuries. That said, I think the strategy on taking down a guy like Gronk who is so big is to go for the legs. Unfortunate for all of us NE fans, but a perfectly legit hit. Gronk's history of injuries have a direct correlation to the way he plays and his body type.
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LOVE the snow games.
I think that the league can expect more injuries like Gronk's as the trade off for taking away head injuries. That said, I think the strategy on taking down a guy like Gronk who is so big is to go for the legs. Unfortunate for all of us NE fans, but a perfectly legit hit. Gronk's history of injuries have a direct correlation to the way he plays and his body type.
There's no 'think' about it - ACL tears are up from about 20 two years ago, to 30 last year, and now it's over 40 this year with three weeks to go.
So it's more than doubled in since 2011.
Meanwhile, an ACL takes a guy out of the game for a year where a concussion takes him out for a week or two. But, no one gets sued over ACL's or suffers memory loss, so here we are with penalties galore and guys shredding their knees.
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The increase of ACL tears is definitely worrisome, but I think the concussion situation has far more lasting affects into later life. The NFL finally seems to be taking the issue seriously. Witness the huge payout the NFL made to retired players for head injuries.
Knees can be repaired structurally. An ACL injury used to mean the end of a career, but sports medicine has made some great strides forward in repair and rehab. And no doubt the NFL is going to start looking at lower body hits, the current rules, the turf and shoes in combination to try to deal with this uptick in knee injuries.
But I think it's the head injuries that are the bigger concern. When you have recently retired veterans like Brett Favre coming out and saying they have concerns about the safety of kids playing the game in relation to concussions? That's significant. And more parents are getting concerned about letting their kids play football. The injuries seem that much more brutal than in other sports. And parents seem to be steering their kids to other sports with less potential for serious injury.
How horrible is it going to be if the Super Bowl is played in these conditions this year? I think it would be an embarrassment.
I couldn't disagree more. Look back at some of the most storied games in the history of the NFL. Case in point? The Ice Bowl of 1967. Lambeau Field in Green Bay was frozen, and those conditions were a major factor in the outcome of that game. If we wind up with conditions like that for this season's Super Bowl? That game could quickly go down as one of the legendary championship games in NFL history. And maybe something like this will drive away some of the corporate clown who now take up so many of the seats at the game, letting actual fans become more of a factor in a Super Bowl.
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I'm on the wagon of loving weather affecting the game... Heat, snow, wind, rain, sleet... The game should have weather as a factor into how you play, just as noise and other things impact it.
Frankly I think EVERY city should have a Super Bowl available to it... It should be a rotation, like some All Star games. It's kind of unfair financially that only cities with domes or generally good weather get the benefit of all the hooplah and income surrounding the Super Bowl. I'd be fine with the cities involved in the Super Bowl being the ones getting it even, based on records, like most sports.
If you can't play in snow, you can't play the game to me. I get the commercial appeal they want though, I just don't agree with it.
My gf's boys actually elevated their games in mud, snow, etc. If we were on a grass field and playing in a lot of rain, I knew two things. Laundry, and the kids were going to destroy someone. It never failed.
My gf's oldest came up after a sack this year, and both he and the QB had mud caked in their masks clear to his face. I could tell he was loving it. Just like when he was little. The QB, not so much. :D
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Yeah, the weather was cool to me. I mean, if you don't want to watch/play football in the snow, then the season should be spring through fall.
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Yeah I think the heat is almost a safety issue too when dealing with people with that kind of size as well, but it's a factor when you go down south, and teams play it up against opponents by wearing whites instead of their color to throw northern teams off... The Steelers get stuck in black often when they're down south.
Denver has their elevation as an advantage too... When you live there and are used to it, great, but when you don't it's an adjustment for sure. Environment is huge I think, and taking it out of the SB just cheapens the SB to me somewhat.
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Wow what an exciting finish to the NFL season, none of the NFC divisions have been won yet - will it be my Panthers or the Saints to win the South, will the Seahawks finally win the division they've dominated all year? Does anybody want to win the NFC North and East? I guess the Packers will scrape out a win and the Eagles will get it done. But then that still doesn't determine who are the #1 and #2s yet, it will take til the end of the day to see how it all plays out. But if the past few years is any indication (including the last time the Panthers were in the playoffs at #2 in 2008) it was the lower ranked seeds that won out and made it to the Superbowl!
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Some pretty amazing games today, particularly the Packers vs. Bears. Would stuck to be a Chicago fan right now, but that was a fun game no matter who you were rooting for. Now we just have to shake off the rust for the playoffs. Go pack go!
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Any league would LOVE the drama that the NFL had this past weekend. How many games were meaningful in some way all the way down to the final snaps of the games?
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In all honesty, this was the year I really came to loathe NFL football, and not just because I was a Redskins fan, although that had a lot to do with it. It's the media I can't take anymore. Sports "journalism" has sunk to an alltime low IMHO. It's all just a cacophony of screaming voices, idiots saying ridiculous things, quoting outrageous lies from 'unnamed sources', and so on. A player is either the next best thing ever or a bum. If they're not rushing to build someone up, they're rushing to tear them down. It's become sickening.
For the first year in as long as I can remember, I have ZERO interest in watching the playoffs or even the stinking Superbowl. I just don't care.
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Can't believe the Brown's Coach couldn't turn that franchise around in one season. ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Can't believe the Brown's Coach couldn't turn that franchise around in one season. ::) ::) ::) ::)
Yeah, especially given what a solid trend they were on when he took over.
2008 4-12
2009 5-11
2010 5-11
2011 4-12
2012 5-11
2013 4-12
Of course, he did make some ridiculous roster decisions, like trading away all-star Trent Richardson, who was clearly a dominant player in Indy or keeping that ridiculous bum wideout Josh Gordon despite constant trade rumors all year. A guy who's only averaging 117 yards per game and can only only manage 9 TDs in 14 starts shouldn't be on any team in the NFL.
Owners are ridiculous.
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Wild card weekend is here. First up is the Chiefs at Colts (and the only inside game), then Saints at Eagles. Tomorrow we have Chargers at Bengals and 49ers at Packers.
So who do you think will win this weekend?
I'm thinking the Colts handle the once lucky Chiefs who lost their mojo 8 weeks ago; a close shoot out between brees and foles with the home team eagles winning at the end. I can't really pick one way or another between Chargers and Bengals but since I like the Bengals more, They get the ugly win at home. And in the frozen tundra, another shoot out or run out with the 49ers barely getting the win.
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Well one of four isn't bad. 8) All road wins during Wild Card Weekend...unbelievable. Bummed to see the Pack lose a close one at home, but it felt like they were just barely keeping up that whole game. If they get that pick on the last drive, it goes the opposite way, but I don't think they would have survived the next round anyway. Now I'm stuck rooting for Indy...
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Indy was home...
Went 2 for 4, missing Philly and Cinncy.
This week, I'll take Seattle, Pats, SF and Denver.
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Yay, new Super Bowl contenders!
Go Seahawks!
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That was an impressive comeback by Seattle. Too close for me though - I think this is the year of the Bronco.
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I'm going Broncos myself. And since I'll be in the ideal place for it, I'll put a lil money on the game I suppose.
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...more like Super Bore #heardeverywhereathalftime
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Wow...this has been such a beat down of the Denver Broncos by the Seattle Seahawks...
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If you knew me you'd understand: And the winner is...... Tom Brady.
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If you knew me you'd understand: And the winner is...... Tom Brady.
Because if the Pats had played instead of the Brons, he would have looked foolish? ??? That was probably the worst SB ever. Who won MVP? I think the whole Broncos team deserved it for helping Seattle win. They couldn't even play basic football-- as in protect the ball. Always running with one arm makes it simple for the ball to pop (or be popped) out. They looked out of the league last night.
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LOL, the door is shutting on the Tom Bradys and Peyton Mannings of the world. It's a new day.
I for one enjoyed the hell out of that game, because those are the kind of Super Bowls I grew up with mostly, good old fashioned woodshed jobs.
Yeah, I was sorry to see Richard Sherman get a ring, but at least Champ got denied. Super happy for Russel Wilson and Michael Robinson. The 'Hawks absolutely deserved it.
Denver was very obviously not prepared to play, and I think a lot of that blame lies on the coach. BTW, WORST DECISION EVER not going for that easy FG at the end of the first half. That will get glossed over because of the final score but holy crap, that was idiotic.
I don't think I ever even heard of the guy that won MVP. I would have given it to Harvin or Chancellor.
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As I and many smarter than me NFL minds said two weeks ago, the NFC Championship game was the true Super Bowl. So yes the Pats would have lost too.
What I am saying is Tom Brady, John Elway, Johnny Unitas, Joe Montana, and Michael Corrleone just shut the door on Peyton Manning and Kay.
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I was in the world's den of sin this weekend for that abysmal game, and you should've heard the crowds when that safety was scored. It was classic.